Tommy's A Good Dad

Tommy: Wait a minute! Crossface, the Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Janson.

Josh: Daily Talk Show episode 213.

Tommy: It is the last day that you can get our stickers, but if you're listening and it's 2019, sorry, too late.

Josh: Yeah, you've left it too late. But if you can hear the sound, the music, it's because we're doing it late today. And after about what, 4 o'clock, the pole dancers next door start.

Tommy: The aerialists, the gymnastic girls, they come in and they work out. That's all I'll say. But they create a bit of noise, rightfully so, they're a part. They're leasing the building we're in.

Josh: Can you actually, um, could guys go to pole dancing classes?

Tommy: Oh, I think yeah, 100%. I don't see why they couldn't, but I feel like if you was, I feel like I would be pointed at like I'm some weasel and I'm there to be a creep.

Josh: Bit of a pervert.

Tommy: I'm not a creep. I'm definitely not a creep. I'm a married man with a son and a respectful Human.

Josh: I've always, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Just digging deep at the end there.

Josh: Yeah, that's great. And a human. I'm a bloody human.

Tommy: I'm a human. But I think, yeah, I think you'd be seen as a bit of a weasel if you're sort of, no, actually in fairness, my wife goes to hip-hop classes and there's nothing sort of, I go to hip, I've been to hip-hop classes, but she did say that there's this dude there who's super lovely, but he's really muscular. And so he's there like every week. And he's this buff dude who like break it, like, and he's not unbelievable, so he's just like, he's a beginner.

Josh: Yeah. And he's just like, he's got swag.

Tommy: I've just got this mental image of this guy who's just like a bodybuilder but also wants to, you know, have a bit of swag about his dancing. And then goes there and he's like loving it. He's like, hey guys.

Josh: Do you think your vibe gives people the wrong idea of what you like?

Tommy: Well, we— it was exactly what Greg and Amira. Yeah, they were on our show. Comedian Greg, uh, what's his surname?

Josh: Brent.

Tommy: Greg Brent. Yeah, yeah, stand-up comedian. And we'd never met them before, you'd never met them, but you were fans of them and spoken to him online. And he said about me, he said, ah, he's definitely like the cool one. So he had like an impression of who I was before. And so I tend to agree, but what I'm happy with it, I tend to think that people might get the wrong impression but I'm happy that I'll deliver on something else because I know I'm not an asshole and I'm not too cool. I might be cool.

Josh: But do you think that you use the, I'm married and I have a kid thing shtick to try and play against that sort of playboy vibe that you give off?

Tommy: Yeah, but you are a reflection of your actions. And I feel like that is something that I've, I am a father, which I see it as a way to sort of break down a lot of stereotypes and a lot of thoughts because it takes a certain type of person to be a good dad. And I feel like I have—

Josh: There's a difference though, isn't there? Like what you just said, like a father and a good dad. So that there's, you make a point to say I'm a good dad, which means that you don't fuck around.

Tommy: Yeah, but I think I'm married, I have a wife and kids. I think that already can, it says a lot. There's some trust. It's like me thinking that a woman walking their dog, I look like— I feel like I can trust them. They have to look after this little rodent with four legs, and there's something— there's a trusting quality about someone who walks a dog. I feel like there can be, and it's usually delivered by me, so it's not like someone's referring to me as like, oh, he's a dad. It's like, no, I'm a dad. That's something I Pride myself in being a father and a husband among other things, but I feel like I definitely have, and I will say used it in the term, in the way that you're saying to potentially pull back. What do you think it is? Why do you think people can judge me if they haven't met me?

Josh: I don't know, like I think it's just 'cause you're a good looking rooster and you've got a certain sort of swagger about you. I've joked that you being married with a kid is a big neg.

Tommy: We've talked about that for years.

Josh: Yeah, it's that we wanted to create feature film called The Big Neg, which is this playboy guy who realises that if he gets married, all the girls will want him.

Tommy: And so it's a big plan for something else.

Josh: The Big Neg, coming to cinemas. And it's like, meet Tommy. So, you know, uh, Tommy wants all the ladies, and then he discovers, oh mate, you know what you need to do? Just get a missus. Then it plays like an AC/DC track. She shook me up.

Tommy: The film is my whole life. It's like, leads up to something at the end.

Josh: But I think the twist in the narrative is if you enjoy the neg and you—

Tommy: I enjoy the neg. This is not my life. I got married because I wanted to.

Josh: It wasn't—

Tommy: I love my wife and I'm— and I— yeah, definitely. I've come from being different. I think there's a mindset to being single and I was definitely in it for a long time and I and getting out of it is a shift in behavior. It's a shift in beliefs and thinking and feeling. And so if you're single, you might not understand it and I might be completely wrong, but for me it was definitely like coming out of it. It's like, even just like, you know, going out on a Saturday night as a single bloke thinking I could pick up versus that not being a thing and that not even, I don't even want that.

Josh: And so— But the interesting thing is there are, like you've talked to, to me about like sleazebags that you've seen who have done the whole like removing of the wedding ring on a night out at like a bucks party.

Tommy: Yeah, like that's great.

Josh: So misaligned, like unaligned or whatever you want to— misaligned with—

Tommy: out of alignment.

Josh: Yeah, with his reality.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I mean, there's a lot of thinking behind—

Josh: and it goes against Neil Negg. He should keep the ring on if he's part of— if he's part of that narrative.

Tommy: Yeah, but, um, no, there definitely is. So single mindset. And so where was I going with that?

Josh: I think you were just saying you're a good bloke and you're a father, you're a good dad and a good husband.

Tommy: Yeah, amongst other things, am I?

Josh: Yeah, no, I think you are. If you say it enough, you are.

Tommy: But I think if you, uh, say you say I'm good looking, but I think people— so you think people view are less intimidating, so there would be less judgement or less judgement towards the person or feeling threatened towards the person that isn't good looking or whatever they classify as not good looking.

Josh: Yeah, I think that like you have dark features. Maybe it's because I don't have that, but like I see is the dark features as sort of you've got like a bit of a playboy.

Tommy: Handsome. Is that what you're saying, big boy?

Josh: You're a bit handsome. You've got nice dark features. I love your dark hair. You've just got real nice eyebrows.

Tommy: You've got lovely skin.

Josh: You've got quality hair. That's one thing. That's why you could do TV, because of your hair.

Tommy: It was my hair.

Josh: I don't think I could ever do broadcast in a traditional way because—

Tommy: Trump, he was on— I mean, he had a few things. Maybe he was a billionaire before he went on TV, but he did that. Uh, Burt Newton.

Josh: Okay, sure.

Tommy: You should see that bloke's hair.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Uh, The one thing about hair I will say, and I mean, do you think I'm vain?

Josh: I don't know, what are you about to say?

Tommy: I think I've been a lot more vain in my life, and I think since you keep becoming a great, great dad and a great, great husband. Name of the episode: Tommy's a Great Dad and Husband. No, uh, become less vain as I've got older because I care less about what people think.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Which I think is a good thing. If you could channel that when you're younger, it probably will serve you really well. I'm 30 now, but I have thought, and I did catch up with one of my best mates, Matt Barr, who lives— Can you say his last name? Whatever, listen to the podcast, Matt, and then I'll be very—

Josh: Can you not say anything defamatory? Because I—

Tommy: to give a little insight, you said You said a last name this week. We got a cease and desist.

Josh: Which took me 45 minutes to then re-upload the episode. So let's avoid last names. We won't.

Tommy: But anyway, a good mate of mine, we used to live together, he lives down the coast now, so I went down and visited him and dropped into his place. Haven't seen him in a little while, and I just noticed that he's got some greys coming through.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I'm going grey, and I see a few greys in your hair, and I look around at all my mates. He's a little bit of a family tree, Wes. But I look around and a lot of my mates, my brother's nearly fully gray, going gray, my other brother's going bald. Yeah, but it's just a sign of the, of aging.

Josh: Why do people care? I don't know. I would much prefer to go grey than go bald.

Tommy: Yeah, if I had to have one or the other, of course. You can dye your hair, you can't—

Josh: No, but would you even dye?

Tommy: If not, I would love But if that was the thing that you were that worried about, you can't stick hair back in your hair, in your head without people calling you on it. Yeah, Joe Rogan talks about it. He's got a full—

Josh: he's got plugs.

Tommy: No, he, when he was young, he had the full— maybe it is plugs. He's got a full scar around the back of his skull where he had something put. Oh, it looks like a smiley face. He had something put on, but he's talked about it when he was trying to keep his hair. But so I'm going grey and I'm, and they're getting more, and I kind of I don't have a complex of it, but I've definitely— it's been on my mind a lot more.

Josh: You're right.

Tommy: You know, when you almost burp, but it just almost comes up as a bit.

Josh: Yeah, I get it. You'll hear some drilling in the background. We, uh, big media company is in a building.

Tommy: We're expanding.

Josh: Not exactly, not only a, um, I was gonna say stripper— what is it called? A pole dancing training facility.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But there's also Backwoods Gallery, and they're putting up a some new art. Yeah, that's what the drilling is.

Tommy: So I'm kind of in that place where it's a new thing, so it's very present on my mind, and I am seeing— and at my 30th you weren't there. No, but I did say I was traveling.

Josh: It wasn't that. Yeah, I was invited.

Tommy: It was the gag that I said, it's like, you know, getting older. I said something around my grey hairs. It's not a problem, but I did spend some time before coming tonight plucking some of them out.

Josh: You shouldn't— like, I see this is where we're different. It shows you, uh, about gratitude, there's no fucking way I'm pulling out a grey hair 'cause it means I've at least got some hair. If I pull out grey hairs—

Tommy: You can have my bamboo grays, they're fucking as thick as a bamboo stick.

Josh: No, I would, I got one grey hair and Bree called me George Clooney. I think she was— Silver fox. Yeah.

Tommy: Here's the thing, I think you like, you don't see yourself like others see you.

Josh: Are you talking about me specifically or everyone?

Tommy: I'm talking about humans. I don't like— he's a— I'm a human example of a time where I didn't have a clue that this was my reality. And Amy said to me, she pointed out that I've— she mentioned something about a receding hairline, and it was like I had had the world come down on me. I was like, what do you fucking mean? I was looking in the mirror and I was like my hair is really far back. And then I started thinking, I couldn't stop thinking about it, but I was like, I never even fucking realised my hairline went this far back.

Josh: Is yours— yours isn't as far back as mine though.

Tommy: No, it is not, but I'd never just for some reason seen my hair as being far back on my head.

Josh: But you were saying yours is far back, but mine's—

Tommy: oh, yours is real far back. Yeah, mate, you've— you have your realization.

Josh: But no, no, no, but it's like the equivalent of someone who's like who says to their fat friend that they're fat but they're skinnier than the fat friend.

Tommy: Are you admitting that you don't— your forehead's not—

Josh: No, but I just feel like you can't complain to a guy who's got more of a hairline issue.

Tommy: I know, but what I can say is it's a silly thought, but it was a moment where I've gone, hang on, fuck. And then for some reason my perspective on my, on my hairline had shifted. From being thinking, not even having it in my head. And where my wife plants a seed where she was not being nasty at all, she said something and it just— I didn't even know that I could feel this way about something so stupid.

Josh: So a bit insecure?

Tommy: Yeah, I did. And I was like, fuck. And I was like looking in the mirror, like catching myself, like, what the fuck? That's— is that going back further? And I've watched it and I've looked at photos from years ago to see if it was, you know, less far. I don't think it's moved that much.

Josh: No.

Tommy: So I could be safe here, guys.

Josh: I was told by a hairdresser when I was 15, she said, is your dad bald? And I said yes.

Tommy: That's a warning sign.

Josh: And she said, have all of the wacky hairstyles while you can, which is sort of a mean thing to say. That is fucking lady in Deverhill shops cutting my hair.

Tommy: That is full-on 'Cause you know what it's coming with, is dad bald? Have you got baldness in your family? You know what's next.

Josh: Arseholes.

Tommy: But your dad looks quite good bald.

Josh: Yeah, he does. I don't know how I'd go. I tried, we'll post it on the Instagram account. There is a shot where after one of my big filming projects where I was away for 3 months, I shaved my head.

Tommy: Yeah, never again.

Josh: That looked ridiculous. Well, it's because I— what was I even trying to do?

Tommy: I think I was just thinking, I'll fucking show this Endeavour Hills woman.

Josh: Yeah, I have no idea. Well, no, I think it was just I got— it got really long, and it was probably something to do with my anxiety of going to the hairdresser. I'm like, this is fucking— this means I don't have to see anyone.

Tommy: Oh, did you do your job?

Josh: DIY job, so I don't have to worry about speaking to them.

Tommy: Yeah, well, what are you gonna do? Have you, I mean, I'm like you said, it's a bit rich me who isn't losing my hair and I've got a solid head of hair, but I've got issues.

Josh: Other issues.

Tommy: With being a great dad. No, but how do you actually feel? Like if you're the one who's had the experience of being said to wear, you know, Use your last hairstyles, they won't last forever.

Josh: So what do you say?

Tommy: How do you actually feel about that? Is it something you've thought of?

Josh: Oh, well, I just, I don't want to hold on to it any longer than I, than it needs to. So as soon as I, and that might mean pulling the trigger earlier than I have to, so shaving it completely. But it gets to a point, I think, where it's a good age where it's like it naturally feels right to shave it anyway. Maybe, I just don't know how, I wonder if like I've had, I get like a little bit of head acne and so I'm worried that it's gonna like, well, if I shave, well that, I'm just fucking squeezing a pimple now, isn't that fucking gross?

Tommy: That's disgusting, I think it's because you've got—

Josh: I've gotten so good I can do it with one finger, just fucking push at it. But no, I've got like, I don't really get acne anywhere but on my head. Anyway, that's probably another story.

Tommy: So the bald, I think if you're holding on for dear life, get rid of it. I think there is nothing wrong with—

Josh: Did you just say not to shave my head ever again?

Tommy: Yeah, for the moment. But if you're holding on for dear life, you've got a few strands and you're combing it back, just get rid of it. I support that. But right now, while you actually— your hair's been looking on fleek, I will give you that. I think I'm looking good except for today. I think shit house today, but it's been shit all week.

Josh: I think maybe it's UV. Maybe people have suggestions. I'm thinking like if I just get a bit of UV on it, it might sort of clear up. Maybe I could get one of those like clinical fucking, uh, what is— what are those, those heat things that were banned called? A solarium. Solarium. I'm probably up for getting a solarium go-ahead on my head.

Tommy: There is solariums. I'll give you a storey about a solarium. This was, oh, probably—

Josh: solariums are banned in our state for people not playing in the state of Victoria.

Tommy: I'm— are they not banned in Australia?

Josh: I think it's a state law.

Tommy: Okay, well, if it's state law, it should fucking be all over the world law. Unless you've got a big call to try and get across the board.

Josh: Isn't that like a whole—

Tommy: let's just look after our country. The UN is Australia. It was pretty, pretty loose in some parts of the world, so yeah, they probably should do something to some other rules that they've got.

Josh: Like that whole gun thing, maybe.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, there might be a bit, bit more of an issue than the solariums, um, but Salariums. So if you have a condition like some sort of immune deficiency, there are some like benefits.

Josh: Eczemas and shit, I think like eczema maybe.

Tommy: Well yeah, you need that sunlight and it can help a lot with some illnesses. But for all the vain people that were just hitting the gym, hitting the, the soli, we used to call it the soli. Do you want to go the soli?

Josh: You're actually a bit of a fucking loser, right?

Tommy: I know. This is why I have to say I'm such a great dad and a husband, mate.

Josh: I'm such a—

Tommy: to paint a different picture. So in Gardenvale, this was an interesting business model back in the day. There was self-serve Solly's. And so what you'd walk in is you'd— there would be a code.

Josh: Do they smell?

Tommy: Well, they smelt like the cleaning agent and like bleach. No, no, no, not that nice. This is the fucked up thing. A self-serve is clean it before you go on. Clean it after you've been on, and then you have to think that someone else has been on there.

Josh: Can I just quickly—

Tommy: nude—

Josh: before you say this, can I say, talking about cleaning things, Bree does F45, doesn't bring a towel, guy gives her a towel, she gets charged $10 for a little fucking towel. That's it.

Tommy: It's ridiculous.

Josh: Outrageous.

Tommy: F45, don't fuck yourself. The Gardenvale Self-serve, Solly.

Josh: Uh, they call it a sally or just you?

Tommy: Well, sally, solarium. No, we called it the sally. Okay, it was called the solarium. Anyway, the way it worked is you would have a— there's like a machine, looks like a sort of dispensary on the wall. You'd put in, um, $5 or $4 and it'd spit out this little token. The token was just a coin that you'd then go into the private little rooms and you'd drop the coin into this machine and it would turn on the solarium. So if you put 2 coins in, it'd give you like a double, you know, double time. And 1 coin's 8 minutes. And then you jump in, they'd have little glasses, you'd clean the, clean the area.

Josh: And fucking gross.

Tommy: We did this. Here's the thing though, we worked out that if you just used a 10-cent coin, you could bypass the, uh, the machine where you actually needed to put in money to get out the coin.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And just use a 10-cent coin as the coin that they dispense. And so we used to just get free solares. But it's a weird thing, like, it's so weird looking back. I went with this guy named Ange Galardi, and I say his name because he's the strongest—

Josh: Can you stop saying people's last name?

Tommy: I can't, but he's got a profile. He's—

Josh: That's a reason not to say it.

Tommy: No, no, like a social profile. He's one of— He is the strongest bench presser in Australia.

Josh: Okay, and he hasn't done anything wrong?

Tommy: He's got a tattoo called Mr. Bench. He's done nothing wrong. He's broken many world records with—

Josh: and no rules in regard— he wasn't doing the 10-cent thing?

Tommy: No, he wasn't doing the 10-cent thing, but me and him went and had a solid— it was just like a thing.

Josh: We went together?

Tommy: We trained, not in the same one, you freak. We—

Josh: what, like doing it together? What's the fucking point?

Tommy: Well, we're just like— I think he drove me there and we trained at the gym we've done some exercise and we're like, ah, you want to go get a solly?

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: It's— but it's like saying that, it seems like such a weird thing to have done.

Josh: Yeah. Um, sounds like dogging.

Tommy: Well, it had nothing to do with anything.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Okay. Of that nature.

Josh: Okay, that's good.

Tommy: It was just a couple of blokes having a solly.

Josh: Having a solly. No, it sounds— soggy solly, as they call them.

Tommy: Hey, we got an email. Um, oh, it was a— it was on Reddit. Yeah, our Reddit that is just flying.

Josh: It was fucking BK. Can I quickly say, but BK did a Reddit post on our, um, Reddit saying experiment, like Reddit experiment failed, question mark. I've already told this storey on the podcast.

Tommy: You've told it.

Josh: It's fired the boys up. Yeah, but I had, I had someone, um, think that that was me posting it and I'd announced on Reddit that the whole thing had failed, which is not what happened.

Tommy: Anyway, no, that's interesting. So I mean, there's been developments. The boys are fired up to post.

Josh: Yeah. And so, as in us, is it? You and I are the boys. I'll be the boys. You were so— that's the same for boys.

Tommy: It's so—

Josh: can I be one of the boys?

Tommy: You can be one of the boys.

Josh: Okay. Uh, um, yeah, what were we doing?

Tommy: So we got someone else post, and I, to be honest, I like— I was surprised that other people can post within our subreddit. Which is great so far, but like, this is really what it was. Mate, you're doing well, boys. Support me.

Josh: Okay, but you understand that, like, how—

Tommy: No, I get it.

Josh: How do you think I was getting content from people on Reddit?

Tommy: Well, I—

Josh: You thought those were just comments on our site.

Tommy: Well, this is the same thing. That person who thought you wrote it, it's like, why would they think anyone else wrote it? You all read it. Yeah. And so I am an admin of it, so then I can create posts.

Josh: Everyone can create posts. Yes. And you—

Tommy: imagine if we do something bad. Yeah, that's it, we're in trouble.

Josh: The people who have spoken— the big neg, Tommy's a bad dad, just you like dropping down or something.

Tommy: BK, don't fucking start shit again. Yeah, um, but we got one that said that we've made it into the top 10 podcasts in the Tesla.

Josh: Why do you say Tesla like that?

Tommy: Tesla, in the Tesla car.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I say because I've never actually gone in a Tesla that's driven. I've sat in one, but I've never been in one. But we've made into the top 10. Yeah, uh, which is pretty fucking cool. I don't even know what it is, but I'll take it.

Josh: So someone said, someone said on Reddit they hadn't even listened to our podcast previously. They found us through that. The thing is, I celebrated quickly. I posted it on our Instagram. Yeah. But then I got a bit nervous because I was like, maybe it was a mistake. Maybe what they did was that it was one of their favorites. At the time, I didn't know that they had said they'd never heard us before. And I was like, oh, maybe what's happened is it's like the recommendation engine, you know, like algorithms are pretty good now. You've listened to it before. He's thought, oh, like his personal page is showing, he thinks it's the top, you know, 10 within Australia, but it's actually just his library or something. And so I had that instant panic of celebrating and then worrying that someone's going to point out that, oh no, you guys have fucked it, like you actually aren't in the top 10.

Tommy: Yeah, but we— but it wasn't.

Josh: Well, I think it's okay, but it reminded me of a mate of mine who had celebrated a $500,000 sale within the business is like a sales dude. $500,000, huge for the business, biggest thing, told everyone, got the fucking calculations wrong. He meant 50 grand.

Tommy: Oh, it's so different to 500 grand.

Josh: And so they were like, fuck. And the team were trying to be really good by celebrating him really hard about this is huge, like half a million dollars. Half a million dollars. It's the half a million dollar man coming in. Oh no. Imagine being the half a million dollar man. To then have to say, guys, I fucked it, I meant $50 grand.

Tommy: We don't want to defame him, but what kind of an industry is this in?

Josh: Um, ah, I feel that it would give it away. You'll give it away.

Tommy: Well, I think it— I mean, if it was—

Josh: I could guess fast-moving consumer goods.

Tommy: Okay, no, that brings it down a few. But I mean, to land a half a million dollar sale, like, was he even thinking, what the fuck, how have I done this?

Josh: Yeah, so it's like a, I don't know how to describe it.

Tommy: So it's not a unicorn, it is doable?

Josh: They'd never had anything like it before. The most they'd done would've been maybe $80,000. Okay. So $500,000 is huge. Oh wow. And how would you feel? And so that was what I was worried about was celebrating and then, having BK, who hasn't— BK got a Tesla?

Tommy: Yeah, I think he's got a Tesla. I— bro, can I have a ride in it? I've never been anywhere.

Josh: Yeah, BK's getting a lot of love today. Just trolls us on Reddit and we—

Tommy: it gets a lot of shoutouts.

Josh: Yeah, that's— that's weird. We're, um, what do we say? We're promoting bad behavior.

Tommy: That's okay, uh, but I'm a good dad.

Josh: Yeah, good dad, good dad. But no, but BK, I remember I thought you'd mentioned that BK had a Tesla or something. So I was like, when he said, I don't know what this is about or something, he's like, he's got one. I was like, like, he, if anyone's going to be in the know, it'll be BK. But the Redditor did point out, no, it's the, there was the top 10 Australian podcasts, which is great. I don't know what caused it.

Tommy: And if you want to deflate us that we've fucked it, it's fine. So I, so I think living in a time where I really wanted to be picked on many things, auditions, jobs, and shit like that. I, early days, I was of the mindset going for something, it kind of went well, and I've thought, yep, got this. And I was distraught on some of the early things, and I just felt it because I'd just gone so far ahead of myself.

Josh: Have you announced things?

Tommy: I haven't announced things, but I've told people See, yeah, I did. I went for this thing and I almost got it.

Josh: What was it?

Tommy: It was, um, Getaway. It was like this American road trip, really, like travelling around America.

Josh: Thomas didn't get that, did he?

Tommy: He was already on the show then.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: And so this was like a—

Josh: so Getaway, for people who don't know, we had Jules Lund on the show. He's a friend of ours. Yeah, uh, he was one of the stars of this TV show.

Tommy: Yeah, he was a star. I wouldn't have been a star, but it would have been Great little profile booster.

Josh: How do you describe Getaway?

Tommy: Getaway is a travel show hosted by a bunch of Australians going around the world showing the coolest places. It is the job if you ever wanted to be on tele— if you said to someone, oh, what do you want to do? I want to be a presenter, or I want to be on TV. What show do you want to be on? Everyone would say Getaway.

Josh: Well, it's the best of both worlds. It's travel, being in front of camera, and it was a lot of Jules Lund saying, how good does it— does it get any better than this?

Tommy: That type of deal.

Josh: And it says to— this was pre-drones and stuff as well, so they would have fucking like helicopter shots.

Tommy: And Jules has travelled to so many places, but he said it was pretty lonely.

Josh: And you don't have to talk it down, you didn't get the job, Tyson.

Tommy: But he's just ungrateful. I would have fucking loved it. So I went for this American event.

Josh: What did they get you to do?

Tommy: So I made a video. So I wrote something and I had Jules look at it and he's like, that's great. I filmed it and I edited it with a mate.

Josh: Have you got the video?

Tommy: Yeah, I've got the video.

Josh: Can we put it somewhere?

Tommy: I could put it onto Reddit.

Josh: Reddit, let's do a bit of a content.

Tommy: Yeah, so Tommy's almost stint on television or something like that. I'll put it on The Getaway. It was, I think it was a great video. It was really clever for then. I had no idea, but I do feel like a different person. I told this, it was like the anti-Getaway. It was like This is my neighbourhood of St. Kilda. It's known for—

Josh: That's called Postcards.

Tommy: Or something like that. But it was like, it was a take on— I got the— Jules gave me the graphic for Getaway and I put it at the front. So I was like, get away, the classic jingle that they use.

Josh: So it was almost a parody.

Tommy: It was a parody with some fun injected into it. And it got me down to the final 8. And so they flew me up to Sydney And I was like, I fucking got this. And I was like, I gotta buy some new treads. I gotta buy some—

Josh: What did you say? New what?

Tommy: New treads, new wheels, shoes. I'm gonna buy some new wheels.

Josh: You went from treads to wheels, then to shoes? Wheels, that's a car.

Tommy: Yeah, but do you want to be one of the boys?

Josh: Okay, you got a whip?

Tommy: No, not— you wouldn't use whip. I didn't get new whip, I got new wheels.

Josh: No, whip is a car.

Tommy: Yeah, whip is a car, but you can say wheels for your shoes.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: I got some new wheels.

Josh: Anyhow, what sort of shoes was it? Were they Tiger?

Tommy: Remember those, that brand Tiger?

Josh: No, I think they're the Nike—

Tommy: no, yeah, they were just like almost like a Converse, like the full leather Converse shoe, just like low cut, a bit bogan. A few kickboxers would like wearing them. Anyway, I got a new t-shirt as well. It's a nice tight one. Um, this is back when I had no idea, but I see it as a time in my life where I felt like looking back on me, I was a different person, but I was giving it a crack.

Josh: Before becoming a great dad.

Tommy: This was post-great dad, pre, this is pre-great dad. And so I got in and I just, I remember thinking, I've got this, I've got this. And I just had this mentality of yep, I told some people I've got down to the final, I'm going out there, it's looking good. And I just remember it was as if, it wasn't fake it till you make it, it was like I thought I could really get this. And I got out of, what I do in my life, I remove the doubt on a circumstance or something coming through. But what I hadn't worked out yet that I have now is what happens when you don't get something. And the reaction and how far you've gone down the rabbit hole and how far you need to get out if you really, go deep. And so what I've managed, and I didn't get it, I went up there, it was an amazing experience. I got this like chauffeur from the fucking airport.

Josh: What year was this?

Tommy: Um, God, this was like '09.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: So yeah, 2010 maybe. And you know who was— I actually—

Josh: This is before Uber, so well before getting a chauffeur had a little bit more fancy.

Tommy: It's fucking rad. The dude, I'll tell you right now, I know you don't watch The Bachelor, But I took a selfie in the car. This is— I had the first iPhone, and I looked back at the photo.

Josh: Did you have the first iPhone? Really? You had the second iPhone?

Tommy: Maybe the second iPhone.

Josh: Did it have a silver back?

Tommy: It was the first for me.

Josh: Was it the—

Tommy: No, not the silver back, it was the black back.

Josh: The black back was the first.

Tommy: Like the rounded edges.

Josh: 3G. That was the first one in Australia.

Tommy: Yeah. So I took a selfie with the dudes and the, the, uh, the guy, the two guys and the, and the girl that I was with. Took a selfie with them.

Josh: You were in the photo?

Tommy: Yeah. I was in the chauffeured car and I looked at the photo years later. It was the dude who was on and won The Bachelorette. He ended up being with Sam Frost.

Josh: What was his name?

Tommy: Um, I can't remember, but all it said to me was this bloke's been trying to get on reality TV for years because we were together going to try and get on this reality show. He didn't get on that show, but he got on The Bachelorette years later and won it.

Josh: And look at you now, you're a great dad.

Tommy: I'm a great dad. He's just been on The Bachelor.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I've got a—

Josh: you're the anti-Bachelor. I've got a big business. You're the big media company.

Tommy: But it was this amazing experience, and I got the call. I remember where I was. I was at my personal training studio at the time, and I answered the call, and I just took the wind out of my sails.

Josh: What did they say?

Tommy: We've decided to go with somebody else. Just remember, it was like, I remember her, this woman's voice. I should defame her. No, I—

Josh: What was her last name? Don't.

Tommy: No, she was a casting director.

Josh: No, I don't even care.

Tommy: She was really lovely. Don't even— She's really lovely.

Josh: If I have to edit this— We never, we, to be clear, we never edit.

Tommy: Yeah. And that's why the cease and desist was to remove or to be sued.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Was not through us, we just removed. Anyway, so it took the wind out of me and I slumped into a deep, deep sadness from it.

Josh: For how long?

Tommy: Not for long, couple of weeks. But it was a great moment to realise that putting the thought of putting your eggs all in one basket or thinking you've got something can be really dangerous. But what I've learned to do now is actually do that, think as if I've got this, if nothing happens, but also know that if it doesn't happen, it doesn't fucking matter. And so I'm still getting the reward of putting myself in that, that, that space, in that place of when I win and what happens. Yeah, but I, I think I've managed, and I know I can't explain how I've done it, but I feel like, um, I've managed to be able to think that like I've got it, but then if it doesn't come through, know that you're okay about it. There's a reason it didn't come through. And I think about that, you can always look at the storey and what you tell yourself from a failure or from something that doesn't go the way you thought you wanted it to, and you can wrap— you can tell a great storey around it of, I wasn't ready for that then, I would have come across like a fucking weird unit. And it was the wheels, it was the shoes, it was, it was the treads. So yeah, I'm a great dad.

Josh: Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you wanna send us an email. Andre sent us an email, he wants stickers, but he also said—

Tommy: What's his last name?

Josh: Not gonna say. He's a big fan of the show and he's excited to watch it grow. He says, the Bogan horse races were terrible. Blake, be glad you weren't there. It was my first time going, I got soaking wet, I didn't even see see a race. I'm too short to see all over the bald heads. I don't get horse racing either, and I work for a racing software company.

Tommy: Ooh la la.

Josh: Yeah, maybe I shouldn't have said that. And then we also got, so thanks for your email, Andre. We also got an email from Luke who's been listening for a while, and he just says that he loves the show. That was very nice, mate. Thank you. Yeah, hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. And, uh, for the next little bit, the next few hours, maybe even if you send it tomorrow, we might honour it. Stickers in the subject line, hi@thedailytalkshow.com address in the, uh, the body of the email.

Tommy: Yeah, and also tell me I'm a great dad.

Josh: Yeah, please, please do. He needs to hear it. And a good husband as well, and a great friend, family man.

Tommy: Yeah, real family man.

Josh: Real family man. Yeah, the Big Neg coming soon. Today's whole show, have a good one.