The Halloween Scheme

Tommy: Wait a minute!

Josh: Crossface, the Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jacklin. Daily Talk Show episode 207.

Tommy: I want to dedicate this, um, episode to a woman named Joan. We don't do dedications per episode if you've just listened for the first time. Who's Joan? Now Joan's someone who who I loved, but I also, um, that you loved, you were romantically in love with Joan. She was an old woman. And so we can— today's Halloween and I'm bringing out a Halloween story.

Josh: Okay, this is Joan. This is like the Nickelodeon. You didn't have cable TV, you didn't have Foxtel.

Tommy: No, it wasn't, it wasn't allowed. Uh, we got the free one. They did a free 3-month thing and I got that. But mum and dad didn't want us to have cable television. And yeah, it's weird because it's like, I, I, we probably could have afforded it. I mean, they sent us to private school, so there's probably where all the money's going.

Josh: My parents would be quite well off and you'd be able to have all the channels if you, if you didn't go to private school.

Tommy: Yeah, but it did bring me down because it was the thing like I saw the affluent families had, and we weren't one of those affluent families. We were doing We were doing great, but we weren't doing the walk-in fridge.

Josh: Did you have Coco Pops? Were you rich enough to have Coco Pops?

Tommy: Yeah, there was one thing about our household and it was that food was always there. We always had a great cupboard.

Josh: Healthy food though?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, healthy.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Which is, I think it's helped.

Josh: We couldn't have Roll-Ups when we were kids.

Tommy: No Roll-Ups. Yeah, I don't think we didn't frequent those in the cupboard, frequent purchasing.

Josh: What was the, when you got home from school, what would you eat?

Tommy: I'm a big toast man. I love it still.

Josh: More than bread? Yeah, toast.

Tommy: Well, yeah, no, it was always toast. I would— no, because you said more than bread.

Josh: Yeah, well, there was a bread toast. No, well, there was a bit of an existential crisis just then.

Tommy: Is bread toast?

Josh: No, but like more than bread, like you do like toasted bread more than bread?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was trying to work out. 100%, I like toast.

Josh: I—

Tommy: but then it depends, because if you get a really nice sourdough loaf that's fresh and you can put some butter on it— Castellinga, that's a nice loaf too. So, so yeah, I would toast it if I had the option.

Josh: And you put a bit of peanut butter on it?

Tommy: Um, uh, butter and then peanut butter.

Josh: Okay. Yeah, I rarely put butter on things.

Tommy: You're a psycho.

Josh: Yeah, Bree thinks that. And, um, were you a Nutella household?

Tommy: Nah, we didn't have that much. We were a Nesquik, Milo family. We had the odd occasion we had Cocoa Pops, like Sustane and a few other cereals.

Josh: Sustane, like something you give to an old person when they need to keep their— like, it's, uh, I'm sure my pa was on Sustane before he died. It's not called Sustane. There was another one.

Tommy: Yeah, that was Sustagen. It's all bullshit. It's all just chocolate Flavored milk, essentially.

Josh: What are digestives about? Is that actually helping digestion?

Tommy: Well, that is so funny. A digestive, we have a joke in our family, 'cause that's one biscuit that my parents still buy.

Josh: Digestives. They are a good biscuit. They're a very underrated biscuit.

Tommy: They're just like a wheat, like a wheat, sweet wheat with a chocolate on the top. It's like, they're good 'cause they go a bit soggy when you're dipping them into tea. They're very nice and they're expensive. So you, you are living on the edge buying those. Sometimes you can get them.

Josh: I don't see them as an expensive biscuit, just like not knowing the prices. I couldn't tell you the cost of a biscuit. How much do you reckon Tim Tams cost, a whole packet?

Tommy: I know because I was—

Josh: $6? No, no, no, no. $3?

Tommy: Nah, yeah, $3. $3.49 on average, which is not on special, but you can get packets of Tim Tams for $2 these days.

Josh: I've been finding it interesting, ARN, the radio network, have obviously done a deal with Tim Tam.

Tommy: Yeah, no, I think everyone's done a deal with Tim Tams.

Josh: But have you seen Huzi?

Tommy: Yeah, Willem Woody, they're all doing the same thing, which is like, here's the Tim Tam Slam, you bite one in, fuck mate, I knew that when I was 2.

Josh: But isn't it—

Tommy: it's not a new thing, bro.

Josh: That's interesting that I wonder about brands like Tim Tam and thinking, do they really need to communicate it?

Tommy: It's interesting because I think I think, no, I think Hughesy has just gone, well, we need to do something for the station because the station's making money, or they've been given X spend dollars, and he's a talent of that. Because I see, I've seen a whole bunch of influencers, but they're all doing it, they're getting paid for that.

Josh: Like Will and Woody, who are a Drive show here, and are they Drive? Yeah, Drive Australia. They, um I've heard a read where it's the same read that I've also heard like a voiceover artist do.

Tommy: Interesting.

Josh: Which is interesting because you have these guys who are personality, they're their own personalities, but they're like, there's a specific voice to the read which is, "Enjoy Tim Tam Slam, bite both bits off, slurp it up." And you know, maybe we are thinking that the thing that everyone should know, maybe they don't.

Tommy: I don't know, maybe it's having cut through, but it is lazy on the behalf of half of these people doing that. No, maybe that's what it's seeming like.

Josh: It's not, but I don't think it is lazy. Maybe that's the directive from the brand.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's what I'm saying.

Josh: Which is fucking weird. It's like, I would much prefer to Will and Woody do something interesting, but then maybe they are having cut-through because we're talking, like it's been, it's happened in enough areas that we're actually thinking about it.

Tommy: This is why I love marketing, because it does play into just the psyche of people, how— I've got a no-caller coming through on my phone, not gonna answer that. We're talking Tim Tams here. It could be Tim Tam, could be. Yeah, so I love, I love sort of diving in because, because then, so I saw will.i.am doing an ad for Specsavers, and I saw, I think it was Pharrell Williams was on a billboard, and I was like, I, I thought I, I had a conversation with Amy and I was like, this is bullshit. He's really needing the money for that. Well, this is that what he's doing.

Josh: This is what's interesting when you go overseas and go to the Asian countries and you see all of these celebrities who have sold out to these average brands and it's so off brand for them. But obviously they've been handed a cheque and like, oh yeah, none of my mates are gonna see it, so I'll just—

Tommy: Yeah, exactly right. That's all right. I had that same discussion. So we went through all of those coming up with like potentials of why is he accepted it. But then I was like, that's it. This is the marketing thing because I think it's like maybe they thought let's get someone who will stop people in their tracks to go, why? And then who's the brand associated with? Mr. 97. He's not here today, uh, called in sick. No, he didn't. He's somewhere else. But Mr. 97, our main man Mason— fuck, I like that.

Josh: You can't have two nicknames. Stop fucking— just do we just commit to it and just be consistent with the brand and just call it Mr. 97?

Tommy: Mr. 97.

Josh: Mr. 97.

Tommy: Yeah, his mum works for a company, Specsavers, and she said she was, she was on a conference call with Will.i.am. How cool is that?

Josh: That is cool. Will.i.am is, um, a rap—

Tommy: uh, singer. You know what, when I was in Black Eyed Peas— Black Eyed Peas.

Josh: Thank you.

Tommy: Who else is in the Black Eyed Peas?

Josh: Fergie.

Tommy: She was. I don't think she's around anymore.

Josh: I don't know if they're around anymore.

Tommy: Yeah, true. Uh, who else is in the Black Eyed Peas?

Josh: I don't know.

Tommy: Exactly. But you— I know the face. So when I was at LAX coming home from our American adventure, I'm walking along and just like looking at this dude, I thought, I know you. I didn't say it, but I looked at him. He was tiny compared to me. I was like, he kind of looks like Will.i.am. I was like, he's the other guy in Black Eyed Peas that no one knows his name, but they know he's in Black Eyed Peas.

Josh: So I was at the airport and what'd you say?

Tommy: Nothing, I was just like, let's get it started. Um, anyway, bringing it back to Joan.

Josh: Before you mention Joan, I just wanted to say I actually feel— I— a job that I had years and years ago went before Virgin Australia was Virgin Australia, they were called V Australia. Yeah, they were doing their big push to, um Melbourne to LA or Sydney to LA. I was doing a bunch of work for them, but I remember I did something when I think they were still Virgin Blue as well.

Tommy: Yeah, I remember that.

Josh: And they did a Black Eyed Peas, uh, Mile High karaoke where— TJ's just currently getting a drink of fizzy. Is it fizzy water or normal?

Tommy: Nah, the fizz is gone. I've refilled it.

Josh: Um, yeah, they did like this Mile High karaoke thing, and I remember I was hired by V Australia to do this. It was actually through an agency. And it was one of those annoying cases where they didn't have any access, like special access. So I was actually running around like the paparazzi trying to get shots of the Black Eyed Peas. And I just remember being like, this is why, that was the despise of working with middlemen started because it's like, They were then annoyed that I didn't get some sort of exclusive shots. I'm like, well, I didn't have it. I had the same access as everyone else. Fucking chasing, uh, Black Eyed Peas, trying to get through security at the domestic terminal with the camera to then get shots.

Tommy: At what point did you realise you didn't have— so did you ask for access?

Josh: Yeah, well, no. So they had, they had a few. It's one of those cases where the agency was just leveraging an opportunity and they always said, "Hey, you can do this." But they also, Virgin had a photographer and media as well. So they were probably thinking, this was 8 years ago or whatever. So what they were probably doing, maybe 9 years ago, they were focused on mainstream media, they weren't thinking about their own content. Whereas now I'm sure Virgin would be giving their content producers really good access. Whereas this was still in the day where it's like, they would much prefer the paps who were going to put those photos in the paper to get the content. So Joan.

Tommy: Joan, dedicate this episode to her. She was a woman who, very old, and she lived about 8 houses down from mine in the suburb of Brighton.

Josh: You had a good street. There's been a few, so many of the contacts that you have, all the leads, client leads you have, are based on this one street.

Tommy: So it was a great street. Jules Lund now lives on that street, lives in an old— it lives in a house that he's renovated that was where we used to hang out as a kid. The house that I lived in, I went and dropped off an Obike fishing t-shirt because— crazy story— so I look at the Obike video on my YouTube channel, it'll make sense. But essentially I made these t-shirts, sold them for charity, and someone who ordered them had your address, old address. Well, that was what the address was, so I went there to hand deliver it. Turned out it was actually just the owners of the house— these are the people that bought it off us— it was their best mate who is Australian that lives in Singapore and just stays when he comes to Australia in their place. So he doesn't even live there, it's not even his house, it's his mate's house. And so we got this tour of the newly renovated house that was like They've turned it into exactly what I wanted. Two stories, swimming pool.

Josh: Did they have the— were they the owners that bought it off your parents?

Tommy: Yes, yes. So they were like, oh, I remember Joe and Tim, like, and I remember meeting them at one point. And so that was super lovely. Their kids are now, you know, grown 13 or—

Josh: it's so cool getting it. It is, it is funny, the childhood, when you sold— when you sell your childhood home. Bree and I, when we came back to Melbourne after our trip, got super nostalgic and drove past our old home where Bree and I sort of start— that was where we sort of started dating. So many memories there. And I was thinking about like, how much money would I need to make to then just buy back the family home?

Tommy: I've thought about if I win Tesla, I'm buying that family home back. It's now about $3.5 million or $3 million bucks. So I need to win a fair bit to actually do it.

Josh: I wonder, I do wonder. I mean, we were out in the burbs in Lysterfield South, but I still, there is something really, I mean, it plays into the nostalgia. But then I feel like it would almost trigger me to have kids. I feel like if I had maybe, I don't know what it would be, but it's like if you have that house Yeah, it'd be, it'd be interesting. There's people who like have the same family home for generations and generations.

Tommy: I was thinking, I don't know how common it's going to be for our— like, think about how expensive houses are. To buy my family home, $3 million or whatever it is.

Josh: But would it be just stay in the family type of thing? So I think that, yeah, but even so, the only way people are going to be able to buy houses is if they get a foot up from their parents.

Tommy: There is a generation of families, and I think my parents were a part of it, where they bought the house for $60,000 back, you know, 20, 35 years ago. And so I even know like a bunch of my friends' parents that did it. They're asset rich, they're not cash rich. Their asset is the now $2 million house that they have to sell when they're getting older to fund a retirement or things. So, so it's not— so they can't keep it in the family because They're not, you're rich when you have the house that you live in fully paid off, an investment property that is almost paid off because if you sell that, then you still have your asset that you can leverage against. So for us, our families now, like Amy and I will push hard and probably buy a house at some point in our life, but then we're paying that off. And so hopefully like, you know, a mortgage of a life of a mortgage is like 30 years. If you haven't paid it off by the time, you know, you need to make a lot of money to keep it.

Josh: Well, then you have somewhere to live, but then you still need, I guess that's why superannuation is important because that's what you end up living off. Sorry about derailing again. Joan, she's down the street.

Tommy: Joan, so Joan was almost like a grandma to me. And like I remember grade 4, so we lived across the road from my primary school and Joan's house was across the road from my grade 4 portable where the classroom was. So I could see her house.

Josh: Public primary school, that was a public school?

Tommy: Yeah, public primary school. It's a great school. And so there was like a bring your nan or bring your grandma to school day. And my mum's mum, she passed away when I was probably 12 or something, maybe no, bit younger. She passed away, she had dementia. And my grandfather, my mum's dad, passed away on Christmas Eve, like well before I was born. Very sad. And my dad's dad was— lived to 100. And Joan, which was actually my other grandma, my real grandma's name, she passed away when I was young as well. And so I didn't have a grandma. And so on this Grandma Day, I asked Joan, who was not my official grandma, but she was the woman who lived down the street who I was great friends with, and I used to pop over to her place quite a bit, um, to come. So I remember her being my standing granny, and she would come over. She's a sweet old lady.

Josh: That's super cute.

Tommy: Literally can't remember her face. I just— she was that classic old, old-style woman who will kind of like— they're almost like dresses or like nightie-looking things. I know, yeah, tights and like those shoes that you'd see like your grandma would wear. I wonder like nowadays, is granny, granny's the new granny gonna wear fucking Kanye Yeezys?

Josh: Well, I think that they're definitely— I just remember my gran died when I was pretty— because my mum's one of 11 kids and she— mum's the youngest, so my gran was already old by when I was born type of thing.

Tommy: You know that having 11 kids would age you. You'd look 100 by the time you've done that.

Josh: And then being like, Mum being one of the kids. I mean, if she's anything like me as a kid, it would have been interesting. But the, um, no, I just remember Gran had, uh, that sort of— I just remember the 90 type stuff. And also whiskers. She had some, like, some fucking— she had a sick beard.

Tommy: There's a smell to old people.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I'd listened to a podcast recently and it was about the smell of old people. And they were trying to— and they've— there's been full research into— there's a smell that's emitted by people of an, you know, people of an older age. I won't go into it, but it was super fucking fascinating.

Josh: It's the smell of decay.

Tommy: Like, I think the one— well, your theory is like musky smell of a house. And, and then there was like, do older people tend to use musk, uh, um, those, like, those scents, those balls in the, in the, around their clothes that stop the things eating them, the mothballs.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so there's like, but no, there was actually, no, there was actually, I can't remember what it was, but there was, it was, there's actually a scent, um, of an older person. Anyway, uh, Joan had all of that and her house was like well together, like, was she really though?

Josh: What was her shtick?

Tommy: Not that I wasn't really interested in that as a young kid, but I don't know, she had this guy who was a— I don't know, there was a really interesting storey because there was a guy that would help her and he was a young bloke who was a Hare Krishna that would come in and help and he was super lovely and I used to see him around. I actually saw him probably a couple of months ago at the supermarket. I didn't engage, I was a bit nervous, but now I'm just having a discussion about the funeral.

Josh: He wouldn't know. Oh, so you went to the funeral?

Tommy: No, she passed away years later because she would have been late '80s when I was going over there. So I used to— so here's the story. So I would go over there quite often for biscuits and just hang out.

Josh: What sort of biscuits did she have?

Tommy: You know those ones, they're sort of like two levels and there's a red bit in the middle? It's like red cream, so it's like a red outline.

Josh: Isn't that a— is it a Monte Carlo?

Tommy: Yeah, it must have been those Monte Carlos. I remember getting stuck into the the cookie jar.

Josh: And you'd like break it, you would pull it apart, and then you could scrape it with your teeth.

Tommy: If you're a child.

Josh: But you were.

Tommy: I was a child, get it off with my teeth and then not really care about the biscuit bit, but I'd still eat it.

Josh: I'd still eat it. It's just the process in which you got it. Yeah.

Tommy: And so, yeah, it was so great. She had this garden that was just— I used to explore it. It was like overgrown but in a really cool way. And old Hills Hoist there was so cool. Anyway, I would go over there a couple of times a week, just cruising out by myself.

Josh: Do you know if your parents and her had some sort of conversation around now? Are you okay if Tommy just sort of comes around?

Tommy: I'm gonna ask Mum this. It's Mum, I know you're probably listening, um, text me and let me know.

Josh: Yeah, because what was— I wonder what the deal— like, surely now that I look back at things, I'm like There would probably be some form of conversation that happens where it's like, "Are you okay if Tommy comes around?" There has to have been at least once to go, "You don't mind?" And they probably, your parents probably encouraged you too, right? To say, "Hey Tommy, I wonder what Joan's up to. Maybe go there.

Tommy: You're fucking annoying us." That was what they were thinking. Joan's is a safe place and he gets cookies. So I took advantage of Joan a bit. This is where the storey goes. Okay, um, today's Halloween. And what—

Josh: why'd you say Halloween?

Tommy: I stuffed up the pronunciation. Today's Halloween. Yeah, it's the 31st of October. And if anything, in 2018, Halloween has become bigger than ever in Australia as Kiss Chasey Falls.

Josh: We actually found out from Mr. 97. Yeah, it wasn't a thing at his school. He's 18 now, so yeah. And he didn't go to like an all-boys school or anything?

Tommy: Yeah, and then Amy called me and talked to me about the kiss chasey stuff.

Josh: What did she say?

Tommy: Well, there was— we had a really interesting conversation about it. Could almost take a whole episode. But there was things like that we didn't think of. If you're going to like a very religious school and you want to save any of these kisses for a husband that you marry down the track, like that's— these are the considerations that she was thinking about back then. And so yeah, it was great.

Josh: Saving the kisses.

Tommy: All right, save the kisses. Well, so Halloween, I used to go trick-or-treating back in the day.

Josh: Even like, how— what— when was the first time you did it?

Tommy: Young, super young. I just— the thought of going and knocking and getting something in return for free, like, right up your alley. And then throwing eggs at houses, like, that's that thought of that, I was like—

Josh: I'm surprised you didn't end up doing the scheme, the electrical schemes of knocking on doors. That's how much— because yeah, the, uh, what's it when you knock? Knock knock, nick knocking, nick knocking, thanking.

Tommy: I did a bit of nick knocking back in the day.

Josh: So how does Joan come into Halloween?

Tommy: So today's the 31st of October, which is Halloween every single year at this date, but I would treat Joan's house at some time of the year. Could be June, could be January. I'd just say it's Halloween. And I know that she— this is the thing, I never— like, you're a young kid that has no clue.

Josh: What does that mean?

Tommy: I thought I had— I thought by knocking on her door saying trick-or-treat, she'd bring out the thing of lollies and dish them up, because I thought that she was all year round. I thought that she was just old and probably didn't think.

Josh: So you just knock and go trick-or-treat? Would you at least get dressed up?

Tommy: No, definitely not. But I'd give it some break between the times that I'd trick-or-treat her house. And so they're probably far enough apart where— this is the logic to me, this is the silly logic of a child. Yeah, she's not going to know that it's not Halloween. She's old. She, uh, if I just say it's Halloween, she'll think it's Halloween. This is a dumb little child. Yeah, the, the sweet thing is, oh, um, 7, 8, 9, like super, super young.

Josh: 21, 22, and innocent.

Tommy: So, but she was sweet enough to— oh yeah, would you like a biscuit? And I'd, you know, go back and get us some little treats. And I got my mate into the scheme, and he used to come along with me and get it. So I took people to her house. It's so funny. But, uh, RIP Joan.

Josh: When did she die?

Tommy: Oh, I was still in primary school, so it wouldn't have It would have been before I was 12.

Josh: Do you remember the first funeral you went to as a kid?

Tommy: Um, yeah, yeah, I went to— I've been to heaps of funerals. I remember, um, one of my mum's aunties. I remember my godmother. Yeah, they, they were very like— some of them were like, to be honest, I'd just get into the wake. I'd be stuck into the food. She's so detached as a child to go What's really going on here? Like, you know that a death has happened and they weren't like, um, yeah, they were— it's a funny thing. I remember I have a very vivid memory of me going over to my Grandma Joan's house where she was dead in the bed and she'd been tucked in. My cousin had discovered her going over there, and I remember so clearly walking up and getting her asthma pump and starting to just spray it. And I just remember, put that down.

Josh: And do you reckon that was a coping mechanism?

Tommy: Maybe.

Josh: I mean, you're probably not even identifying. It's harder when you're older. When you're— when you get older, then you start having more impact, and then I struggle with saying hello to people just normally. We had a whole— we had, um, Mark Ferguson, who's been on the podcast, the Cycling Maven, just transitioned away from Cycling Maven, by the way, guys. But, uh, our hellos and goodbyes had to be a conversation of me talking about the fact that I'm not very good with sort of the handshake hug thing, so I just go for a full-blown hug.

Tommy: Yeah, just hug it out. I mean, Death can send people weird.

Josh: I didn't know when my nana died and she had, it was over 8 priests at the front of her funeral because she was really in the sort of Catholic church and stuff. And I didn't know when I saw the priest if I was allowed to shake his hand or if I had to fucking bow.

Tommy: What'd you do?

Josh: I just fucked, it was awkward.

Tommy: Hello.

Josh: Something a bit like that. Cool outfit. Yeah, cool. Oh yeah, nice costume. Trick or treat. Halloween gear. No, yeah, no funerals. I mean, I thought— but Bree's always picked up on the fact that when I say things like, I'm not, I'm not a funeral person or a hospital— who is a funeral person? Exactly. And even hospitals, I just— the— it's actually, it's giving me anxiety right now thinking about that people are going to die.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And the fucked up thing is it's not even— I'm not even thinking about them being gone. Yeah. I'm thinking about the fact that I've got to go to their funeral, which is a real— is that— I don't know if that's psychopathic.

Tommy: No, it's a bit.

Josh: Your phone is going off.

Tommy: Is this the Barefoot Investor calling me?

Josh: Oh really?

Tommy: Yeah, that's why she— they were calling me on a private number. Should I just answer and say yeah?

Josh: Sure. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. Hi Liz, how are you? Scott, how are you, mate? Yeah, yeah, no, that's all right, mate. Can I give you a buzz back? Just recording a podcast.

Josh: 5 minutes, that's all.

Tommy: 5 minutes, uh, I'll be done and I'll, and I'll buzz you back on Liz's number. See you, buddy. Yeah, yeah. Isn't it funny, the unknown number, pulling, like getting off the unknown number.

Josh: Is that what happened?

Tommy: Yeah, so they called twice on an unknown number and then the actual call turned off, call turned back on, the caller function turned off.

Josh: It's good to cut through, that you should show that when they actually show who it is, you'll pick up the phone.

Tommy: Yeah, in the moment.

Josh: But no, the funeral hospital.

Tommy: Yeah, so I need to ask you, what would you do in this case? Um, you are at a hospital, you're there to actually do some filming, and you're just in the lobby, so in the sort of foyer waiting, and then you see a guy that you went to high school with and you were, you were quite good friends, like quite chummy with in high school, but haven't seen them for a while. Do you say hi or do you just leave it? And if you leave it, why?

Josh: That's a good question. Yeah, I think like my pro— my default is to avoid just because if you're at a hospital— is it raining, by the way? Yeah, it is raining. I think that the— for them as well, because if they're in a hospital, do you want that to be the moment where someone says, oh yeah, like, uh, I've got cancer?

Tommy: Yeah, is that how fucking spot on? I didn't engage. I, so I did, I looked, looked over enough to potentially lock eyes so it's like I don't seem to be the person ignoring.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But I didn't go out of my way, which I normally do, to say something to somebody, to say, "Hi, how are you?" Because I was thinking, my initial thought was, "Oh, there's that person, I should say." And then I was like, "I'm at a hospital." Yeah. I don't want to ask them why they're at the hospital because that's probably a bit inappropriate. So I left it.

Josh: We actually had a, Bri had a scenario where one of our friends or one of my friends who Bri had met before, who is sort of in the public eye, was at a hospital and Bri was at the hospital too and bumped in. She was going to visit a friend who had just given birth. Okay. And Bri sees my mate and says, 'Oh, hey John, what's going on? Why are you here?' And then it was like this really weird, uh, interact— awkward interaction. And then obviously like a day later it comes out, 'Oh yeah, they've had a, had a baby' or whatever. And then, um, it wasn't until Bree, like after the moment, connected all the dots and was like, 'Of course.' It was like he was in— he was stressed out. I spoke to him afterward, he's like, 'Man, I've just been in there all all night and I was going to get pancakes. And so the— so I think the, um, the, the not going up and asking, like, yeah, engaging.

Tommy: Well, I bumped into a woman that I knew when Bodhi had, had just been born, and I was in good spirits. And so you just said, yeah, we just had the baby. Like, it's—

Josh: the interesting thing is that you're like, she's probably she's not like the top of your list. Oh man, this brings up— to know, as in, like, well, like, she's like low on the list of when you— she should find out.

Tommy: I'd never text her. She'd see a photo.

Josh: She's hacked the system. She's hacked the system, which is something that I've done multiple times with you and a few other mates where I've been involved in the water breaking.

Tommy: Yeah, you were on the phone. I said, Josh, I have to go. Amy's waters have just broken.

Josh: I mean, being involved is probably over devastating. I wasn't really involved. I was around when that happened. Yeah. Oh, that just— I feel like that— oh, I was watching The Block, the final episode of The Block.

Tommy: Yeah, we had Bianca Chatfield on the show earlier in the year.

Josh: And so there was a couple on there who had just— who announced on the show to Scotty that— Scotty's like, I believe you got some exciting news. And like, yeah, we're expecting And they're like, "Oh, we've brought out a cake," and it was a gender reveal cake. And so on air, they're cutting into the cake, but their reaction was if they were finding out for the first moment. So it's the couple and Scott Cam doing a gender reveal. But not only that, then this is the— I rarely watch TV and I saw this, I was just fucking blown. Bree paused it and she said, "This is why I can't watch TV with you." just fucking enjoy it, because I'm just like, no, no, they're not. And what happened?

Tommy: What, they've— you think they already knew the gender?

Josh: No, no, no, I didn't— don't think they did, but I think they kept it as like, oh, let's do it as a surprise with Scott.

Tommy: Yeah, with Scott Camp, which was as you do.

Josh: But the worst bit was they then cut to— this was the auction day, and the real— the, the real estate agent is up there going, hey guys, before we start, we've got some really 'Exciting news just from the back from Sandra and John. They're actually expecting a little baby boy.' And a lady screams out, 'Oh my God, I knew it!' It was the chick's mum.

Tommy: She found out the first time from the fucking real estate agent.

Josh: Is that the most fucked up thing you've ever heard?

Tommy: All for content.

Josh: All for content. I actually couldn't fucking believe. Oh my God. I couldn't think of anyone else that I would want less to announce as having a baby than the fucking real estate agent. Maybe the person that I'm buying my car from. I don't know. It's funny. It's a daily talk show, everyone. Halloween, are you going to be trick or treat— are you going to be doing a trick or treating one with Bodhi? And two, are you gonna have shit that people that you give out to kids.

Tommy: Nah, we're in an apartment block. I don't think kids are brave enough to knock on our—

Josh: We're gonna get it in Richmond, 100%.

Tommy: Definitely, because you're—

Josh: Because we're an affluent neighbourhood.

Tommy: They're gonna think that house would have a fairly large coin jar, which they'll probably resort to, and definitely load them up with a bit of candy.

Josh: My parents would do the— would give an apple as a way of a bit of a—

Tommy: Well, you have to—

Josh: if you get knocked You have to give something.

Tommy: You have to give something and just do it for content. Yeah, give them something funny. I reckon just be—

Josh: I don't like because I can't see the security camera. Like, if this was my own home, I'd be able to see before opening what's behind the door.

Tommy: But that's half the surprise. No, no, you got to do it. You're going to give something. Go, go, just say hello, get a bit of content, do a vox pop.

Josh: It's a Daily Talk Show, everyone. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com. We've got an email from Danny that we'll talk about tomorrow as well. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys.