#179 – 7-Eleven coffee/

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Wait a minute, cross face.

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conversation, sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket. It is the daily Talk Show

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Episode 179. I'm Josh from Barcelona in Spain. And Amina.

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I'm from what's going on? I'm straight out of Collingwood.

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3066. Baby. You've gone viral?

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Well, you've gone to bed. Which trip? Yeah. And you've woken up to your boy just hitting the headlines. On

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calm today, you can always go two ways when you're on news.com. Today, you this is this is sort of a positive spin for you

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all. Yeah, I'm glad the exposure is not on me. I don't know. I'm not sure what they'd find. Because I've tried to air all of my dirty laundry, in YouTube videos. And the podcast, I am actually more revealing the podcast, we've gone deep. We've gone real deep in the podcast. The problem with this podcast is that if if there is some technology invented in the future, where it just takes all your words and basically recreates you as a human, we will have multiple cyborgs out there running around pretending their ass talking like our same beliefs.

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So it was I don't know if it was black mirror Bry was watching a show without our friends. And it was this horrendous show where the boyfriend died. And the girl had the option to bring him back. Sort of with AI. Yeah, yeah, like computer learning. It was the most horrendous thing I've ever seen. Yeah, it's scary. It's like, do you do it? Would you choose to have the partner

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pro back? If you could store all their memories into a new body?

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They're talking about like you using all the Facebook videos to sort of be able to recreate and it's a tonne of if it's the right direction. So what's what's happened since I've been in bed? Yeah,

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well, the evolution has been a friend who works@news.com Today you he reached out to me and said mate, so he video came to run a storey? Can I pass the number on to all my one of his friends at? New Scott news.com? Are you a financial editor? I thought you know the first time and last time I'll probably ever get in the financial section

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news.com until you announce your bankruptcy. I think it's this is this is the last time

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if I announced that you're going to because

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it was some sort of quirky storey of me fucking with the bank accounts. Yes.

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The subscriptions did us in the end, exactly.

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One guy being brought down by Spotify subscriptions. Anyway,

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so I had a phone interview with this dude, who just shot some questions out. And if you just bring you up to scratch actually back going back a bit. Yesterday I released a video that was about exposing 711 for not filling their $3 Cup $2 Cup a $1 cup up properly. Well, no sorry. Basically, it was the $3 Cup fits into the $2 Cup and the $2 Cup contents nearly fits into the one to look up as I was like, just a bit of an expose on how stingy they're being with their. Their coffee. So you're not actually paying for anything more in the $3 Well, that's what the taste sort of like and that they

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sort of fucking the 1% on this side. Yeah, if you got a bit of money, we're going to screw you because you're not getting anything extra. Yeah,

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yeah. And so this was you know, like I'm I am self self proclaimed. Can you Melbourne first? Again, say the theme this could be I'm that really annoying idiot that does this. Or I mean it's lucky that I actually make videos for a living and and

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and so if this was your one video, if you wouldn't know Tommy made of the people who were new to the show Tommy made a video about Oh, bikes, and he fished them out of the water ended up getting on Channel Nine news and what sort of things so I feel like it's it's good that this isn't the first thing for you to go by? Yeah,

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well, here's the thing that I before the Obama one was the thousand steps one and I had all my branding wrong. I was just looking before there's news articles calling me a fitness guru. And I entertainer from St. Kilda. So I really had that.

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I went head to that.

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This is the concern I was going to ask about when doing phone interviews. I've done a couple over the years. And it's always a worried like when a journalist is interviewing you on the phone. Yeah. And it's there is that concern of like, what data? Is it because you you answer all these questions. And then you read the article. Yeah. And they've used a bit of creative licence, and they've completely fucked up what you do and they forget to mention the, the thing that you want them to mention. How did that go?

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Well, I think you hit the nail on the head, there's a lot going on within a five minute combo, maybe six minutes. And I'm saying a lot of things I'm saying a lot of the things that I think are worth it for the storey. And I'm also trying to get some savage plugs in there for big media company and also my homeboy Josh Janssen and the daily talk show. So if we put together a list of what I actually successfully had translated into the article, we can go with the daily talk show we got that in there to big media company. You could probably do half a tick. They they said he's from a me or he has his own media company. They just I think it's better than saying that you're an entertainer from St. Kilda. Yeah, x fitness guru. But I'm I'm afraid to say that there was no lock in getting Josh Janssen into the article. I've sent you in a fucking stretch. Unless I went back to try I will I dropped the name I said the podcast I do it with my mate Josh Janssen you know we host it five days a week. Anyway, I sent you an email and I and I told you you know that a read it until we're on we're recording. So now's your time to read the article read the read the cat. It's just a small section of the article that I screenshot and I want you to read that out.

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Okay, the former breakfast radio announcer who now runs a media company and hosts the daily talk show podcast said he went down the 711 Coffee rabbit hole when he noticed a line out the door on the book on Bourke Street of people wanting to use the machine. It blew me away how big it was getting he said jacket said hey and co host Ryan john. Let's talk a lot about this is a fucking disaster. This is this is why I never wanted you to do anything with Ryan. I said this.

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rated at rated x you're seeing it. Seeing it.

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I've read I just read it out. Yeah, but finish the sentence. Okay. jacket said, Hey, and co host Ryan john, talk a lot about 711 coffee on their podcast. I drink long blacks. From the all the time. He loves the coffee so much. He even grabbed a bag out of a 711 been to find out where it comes from. They've got their own blend of coffee. I saw the address of where they roasted impressed. And he said I went to the coffee factory and asked him if I could buy a bag by bag. Well, they they said they don't sell it. But I got to talk with a lady who works there. It turns out the same place that does 711 Coffee also roast the McDonalds beans. Classic.

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So yeah, I really stuff that went up. But

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I I really thought about levy there and just not not correcting him. And so I thought it'd be a good trial. But then I was like, yeah, you know, we're trying to give this will crack over here. And I was hoping for I mean, I would have very minimum impact. But the main thing is any mention of May I would love to be able to have enough documentation to create a Wikipedia page for

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the mind. The mind thing.

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Well, it's since been changed. I am I shot Frank an email and said

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shot Frank.

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Yeah, shot Frank because I do fact up Frank. No, I just said

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my co host is very sensitive.

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All my now I just said, quick one though. Josh Janssen, my co host of The Daily talk show. So is Josh Janssen, not Ryan, I just said Ryan is one of our regular guests who helped me with the video. But I did. So he changed it. He removed it and it's been updated. And that just says, jacket said he and his co host talk a lot about seven live in coffee on their product and black band. Or Hang on. I know they're still at the daily talk show. That's all good. We're getting that SEO up for the daily talk show. So I wouldn't so much

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SEO, but it is good for if they'd linked us that would have been a search engine optimization. But this is it's still good. It's still if we want to build out a week pedia page if we decide that we want that sort of turn off this would cover the I've got friends who are athletes who have tried to get visas over to the US and you need to there's a there's a special visa which is sort of like fits under being an extraordinary person. Yeah, what you use news articles. So like, actors and shit do this as well.

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This you know, I'd have enough I've got Yeah, like my son was doing some research before and he's like, Frank, you've been in all of these. Yeah, maybe I was the fitness guru in that one and entertainment. I've got no cred. I've been in seven industries. And you

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need to clean it all up now. Don't Yeah, you'll you'll be nice and clear about who you are.

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I'll tell you one thing though, when you do have like, these videos go out like this. And you you get like people contacting your or sitting just, I don't know, people just random people and friends also writing Hey, I saw that well done. And I did have this one guy messaged my personal Facebook page. And it went through to the paper. And it you know, Facebook's got a good thing where it's like if you're great on the section. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the other section. It's weird. So sometimes you totally miss it. But this guy says, This guy already has three messages to me. And this is across a span of an hour. I never reply to him. Because that's the best way to deal with people like this. He said he's so he's names like shrimp Davis. Something something? I can't I can't pronounce it. He said you talk rubbish about 711 coffee. Cheap publicity stunt idiot. Oh, yeah, right, Matt? And then he said, Good thing is you like our coffee.

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works at 711 Shriver's.

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Well, he's gone. He's done the best, the backflip and say that's positive that you like it. And but then he sort of probably had a change of heart came back and said, Go into 711 and take Toodle a cup and press 3D-Dyl a coffee and see for yourself. Tommy dick.

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Really? I think you should just write a harsh reverse. This is Matthew from 711. We're looking after Tommy's account since the article went out just as a form of protection. Don't bother coming into work tomorrow.

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These pants? Yeah, you would.

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Yeah, I was just gonna say last thing down the rabbit hole. Because that's essentially what it does. It just throws you down the rabbit hole and you and you become the go to person to talk about any issue relating to 711 coffee, or a bike or the thousand steps, or someone mentioning that they they think that the snack deals are ripped off for Yeah, types of things. Some guys? Have you tried the sushi? or other? Have you tested this out on coals or you know, all these other places? anyway? So in the video that I made the original dude who's the whistleblower from two years ago?

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Yeah. From the Herald Sun article.

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Yeah, yeah. So that's how I got the idea to even go. So it's not an original idea. I just, I just thought I'd try to use later to see if it's actually still a thing.

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Well, the funny thing is I I've just been doing a piece of work for the podcast, which is going through and Trent getting everything transcribed, so I can actually search fit in any topic from that we've

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talked about previously. Yeah. And

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Episode Two, you were talking about the $2 $3 Coffee thing

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was I chase?

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Yeah, that's, I've been banging on that was it? That was back in January. Yeah.

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Well, I'm glad I actually held off because it's it's definitely blown up more, as in just the phenomenon that is, yeah, cheap coffee, and that whole sort of market in Australia, because it's not like the states the states. Every server little convenience store has the cheap coffee, just the the percolated or like just the pump coffee. It's just like, no, it hasn't been a massive thing here until the last couple years. Anyway. The guy who was the whistleblower, his name was Joshua, I,

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Orion john, if you come to that yesterday,

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well, I actually got a friend request on Well, I mean, someone started following me on Instagram, and I saw the name and it was the exact name of the guy who was the whistleblower. And so I went into write a message to him and say, you know, I don't even know what a fellow whistleblower Yeah, yeah. And he wrote back wrote to me before I wrote to him, and then we had this exchange, where he was basically just, it was a bit confused. Anyway, I said, Look, would you be interested in speaking to me making another video about this? And I'd like to ask you a few questions. And he said, Yeah, sure. Anyway, we jumped on the phone, and we spoke. And it just took another turn. It turns out that he never made the actual video that is on the Herald Sun website, showing the experiment, the one the video that I used, he's like, not audience like that, that I'm pretty sure that he made it. And he said, the whole reason he reached out to the Herald Sun, to tell them about the 711 thing was had nothing to do with the coffee size cups, the coffee size thing. He said he was he was reaching out to the Herald Sun to blow the whistle on Oh, no, no, just social, to talk to them about their staff being underpaid. And he reckons that the Herald Sun, met with him and wrote down all of the stuff that he was saying. And then he told them about the coffee cups, the $3 for the into the two. And that's the one thing that they took from it and ran the storey on. That was his that was his words.

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Well, because the 711 thing that has they got in a bunch of trouble, and that got a bunch of media attention. They're not paying their staff properly.

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Yeah, they go. Yeah, that was a while ago. But you know, it's it's funny. Yeah, that was a funny kind of interesting conversation. He did say that. The I said, What did I do? You know, when 711 because he did call them up and say I found out this about the coffee cups as well. And they sent him $3 of vouchers. Three $1 vouchers for coffee. I said, What do you do with that money? He said I gave them to homeless people in the city. And that's nice. And this in Port Phillip city of Fort Philip,

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something like that. Is that he's sort of sounds like he's running for mayor of city of Port Philip. He said that was very specific, isn't it?

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Or or it's evasive to not say the suburb that you were in when you did it? Because city of Port Philip spans a few suburbs?

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Like, would you I don't think you need to sort of say the council that you're in it all day. I yet. If we deconstruct it, yeah, True. True. would you would you? Have you ever said I was in this year? Like, unless you were talking about some sort of like you're getting a parking fine? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So true. You've got bits and bits on him. Just for that?

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Well, he's a he's a fellow whistleblower. So you know,

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going to support them, I guess you gotta support him. But what's the lesson in all of this for you? well constructed

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that. Yeah. I mean, what I like about the I approach, if I, if I'm just a look at how I do it, I actually liked the coffee. I'm the you know, you know, me the amount of times I've spoken about the $1. Coffee, long black.

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It's like 15 times I did a search through all of our transcripts, I think it's about 15 mentions, okay,

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and it's not bad at free plugs. Anyway. And so yeah, I'm not even dark on them. I just think it's a silly thing that they haven't responded, haven't front footed and said, okay, we need to fix this up or, you know, really come out and given a strong response. But it is just a bit of fun. pick your battles, because you don't know which ones will actually blow up. And I think this one's kind of, you know, as a fan edge, they're big enough company to to take it. If anything, this is publicity for them. Yeah, it's like, for anyone who likes it is not going to stop drinking it, they might downgrade the size, but then there's a real chance to come out and go, you're getting it right to the top. And then people can find these fun, these fun experiments to sort of have out there. I think there has to be serious transparency and honesty in business. And it's like, we have to, we have to approach our business and what we do with that. I mean, I think you and I do it's like, you know, practice what you preach? Yeah,

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I think that I don't think that they've done anything wrong. I think that it's probably just from a communication point of view, it's an opportunity, you're giving them an opportunity to actually communicate it in a fun way.

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So in In summary, I'll tell you what I wrote to the person from the Daily Mail, who was also running an article and they reached out to me she because she asked me, you know, is that you tell me a bit about what's going on and how you came. I found

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out about it from Josh Janssen.

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Thought I'd throw something in there like that. I always thought it was saying Josh Janssen and I went down to 711 to test this out.

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Maybe you could change your name by de Paul to Tommy jacket. ampersand Josh Janssen. no Janssen. But I said to this, why me son, my son, Josh Janssen.

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I said to this woman who she was kind of looking for some quotes or whatever. And I really hope she puts this in. I said, as a filmmaker, I'm always up for exploring and sharing different perspectives. So I put the challenge out to 711 to meet with me and have an open conversation and answer my questions to set the record straight.

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711 must be like not again. Shit.

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Note again. Now some guy who actually knows how to make videos is has come out with

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his bike still around in Melbourne.

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Yeah, there's pretty much none left. Okay.

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Yeah, cuz if people just Google actually, I'll put it on our subreddit for people who are just listening. We have created the daily talk show subreddit. If you go to reddit.com forward slash, forward slash, the daily talk show. you'll, you'll see all the stuff that we're talking about. And if you want to see us talk about something, put it in the subreddit will put your bike. old old bikes up there. Oh, yeah. Good idea. Did you see that tray of has done a post about the PlayStation classic coming out? Oh, no, I haven't we so this was this was on our subreddit. Good, good job in sort of being across it. interacting. You've had you've had a big day. You've had a big day. May?

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Yeah. No. You know what? Mr. There's also Mason's, the homeboy that helps us with all this stuff behind the scenes. It sees an official role. He's our first unofficial,

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actually, that's going to be what we're going to be blown up on is going to be when they find out that we're not paying Mason 711 they're going to come after us.

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Yes, yeah, they're gonna take us down for having a blog on that we don't pay. You think we don't pay our staff. Josh and Tommy actually don't even pay Mason. Mason has to pay to get to make some pies them. Anyway, he was like researching some subreddit that we could sort of get some of our stuff onto and he reckons it is a way for us to automatically post up the episodes of the podcast. We found that out yet. We sent a link to you Josh. Perfect. he do he dm Do you on on

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Insta perfect ball. If it hasn't gone to the keeper. I'm sure I'll get

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that bit.

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travel long. Made of the show. He was the guy who was at the apple event. And we we spoke spoke to him. He has done an article about Sony releasing a limited supply of PlayStation ones with like HDMI, cable 20 original games like Final Fantasy racer tech in

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I used to buy all that.

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So what I mean what I'm confused about ease. So I guess the reason to buy it. It's only it's pretty inexpensive. It's 150 bucks will be available from December three. But there's this is on EFT m.com tribes website and they've got the old controller. I think that's probably because I was thinking, why wouldn't you just get like these games ported across to like the New York PlayStation. But the fact that this has the old controller, and it sort of got the retro looking thing to do you think this is actually something you'd buy? Not never?

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Too much shit? Yeah, it's all you don't have a TV.

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True. That is probably the main thing. I don't actually own a TV, which I've been thinking about. I've been thinking about actually getting on it. Yeah, then. I mean, I do have my Oculus, where I can just watch you

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watch TV on the Oculus.

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Well, not TV, you can watch YouTube, you could watch anything on YouTube.

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Is it a good experience watching YouTube on the Oculus? Yeah, after

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after maybe half an hour. He actually, you know, you start getting used to it. And I'm quite used to it now.

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It's sort of sad. What so every single time you put it on, you have to wait 30 minutes before you stop getting motion sick. No, no, sorry. The first time that actually used it took me about 30 days. And then I I was like, Okay, I sort of get the vibe here. And it is still the vibe is a HTC vibe. No,

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it's not the HTC vibe. But it's the Oculus go.

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Is it a vibe? Is that what they got the HTC One too cold? I think so. I think

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I need it. I need to get a when you get a TV. Where's your and by the way? You throw that out?

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It's HTC Vive, vi VA. So I fact that but it's still funny joke.

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Did you do you still have your big tail,

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we still have the TV. We're thinking we might get a new TV and with the old TV that might become a big media company TV to to show videos and stuff will say I do like probably every American TVs and this is the thing updating shit. I used to update stuff a little bit more regularly. But technology's gotten so good. It's like with the farms. I have no reason to get I've got this seven plus or seven s plus iPhone. And there is zero reason for me to get the latest iPhones.

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Yeah. Well, you've just got that push back with your thumb things that

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you just I don't want to use the facial recognition thing, because it's a ship feature. But it's also Yeah, I just think about TVs I might actually there's probably I wonder how much extra you're going to get nowadays, I guess cost just goes down. And being at the IPC in Amsterdam, the big sort of media conference last week, there's a bit of a move, probably the next thing is HDR. So rather than being three day was sort of bullshit. We have a three day TV never use that function ever. Have you ever used three day at home now,

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I remember when they came out with the headsets and you got them with the TV. They look crap. Some of them were like, legit plugged into the TV still.

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Yeah, the early guys. It's pretty shitty. But yeah, the big thing now is high, high dynamic range. So it's actually it takes the when we film we shoot in something called log, which is like a really flat image. So it doesn't have much contrast. So the the blacks aren't very black, the whites aren't very white, but what it means is that you can actually calibrate it more and bring out more of the colour and contrast and saturation light around. And so high dynamic range TVs will mean that you can sort of see more of that spectrum. So you'll be able to you know, you get a shot of a city and you'll still see the blue sky rather than it being you know, blown out, you know, all white, so you'll still be blue, whilst the rest of the same will be exposed correctly. Still.

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It's amazing how like, Hi, high definition televisions show sport and it looks fake. It looks this weird sort of playback, right? I don't know what the what's happening, but it just it almost looks surreal.

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Well, they use they're using a probably weird frame rights. But also some of those newer TVs have these weird, like, algorithms where it's like, like these flow features where you turn it on and everything looks like it's meant to make everything look better. But if you're watching a film, it's really disconcerting, because everyone sort of looks a little bit more real life and everything's a little bit more fluid.

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Yeah, yeah. So I might I might buy TV. The only reason I've wanted one recently is because Melbourne Football Club is in the finals. And so I really want to watch that.

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You've got an MCC membership don't you not lost it? What do you mean I can't afford to pay for it.

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Just got rid of it. Well, I didn't get rid of it. I just hang my head sunshine and I'm one of the Paavo Melbourne supporters shoulders Melbourne supporters out there that could have given given their boy a bloody hand pays me How much is it? 600 bucks. That's expensive when it's like absolutely not a priority.

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Or radio is it is so different when it comes to money like you lose you are a bit more sort of willing just to be like not can afford it not going to get it I

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think it's been seven years of paying for it and using it maybe twice and then going I actually have a kid now. And I've got more responsibilities than finding someone like the old me that doesn't have a baby. And I probably should put that money to something else. So I'm of course it hundred you lost

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it forever now now.

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Yeah, why never get it again. But my brother that my two brothers have them. Bunch of mates have them so I can go to any game with them for 30 bucks, which in the scheme of things, like I said to them, it's like if you the people who are end up going to those box seats in like having the best experiences as if they have they probably don't have MCC memberships they are getting

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company will just have our own

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will build this out will convince that we will stop attacking 711 if they give us box seat tickets to the MCG for the next six months free sushi for $1 coffees. And that's how we'll end up and we'll be better off saving the 600 bucks and not buying the MCC every year. So it's a Yeah, I that's that's my thinking. Not the extortion of seven but the thinking of I'm based off you're getting another way

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again. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's a daily talk show everyone. Hi at the daily talk show.com is our email address that's high at the daily talk show.com feel free to send us an email and join us on the Reddit you're gonna you're gonna get on the subreddit it

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just inspecting, finding where we share them. optimising this

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I this was a great idea by Jimmy I'm like this is I think going to be a pillar of the show. I can imagine when we're set up in our studio will be able to you know, in the morning, like what are people chatting about on our Reddit and like, I'm determined to make this active versus the disgrace that is our Twitter and Facebook.

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So get up will pick it up. So

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don't talk show. Have a good one. Catch you guys. See you guys.