- September 5, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Wednesday September 5 (Ep 167) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
It’s September, the perfect time to start talking New Year’s Resolutions, travelling like an old person and what’s the right gym routine for Josh?
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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy jackets a daily Talk Show Episode 167,
ltse did that are you owned, but I'm here what's cracking?
I am given that it's September.
Yeah, I was thinking we should start talking New Year's resolutions
that you won't commit to talk about them might get as much
news resolutions. And also the biggest failure
to them. Essentially, I've had a few. And in my,
in my life, my we're still pretty far off. I usually do them on the on the day or on the Yeah, the following day.
This is where people go wrong. Because they do then use resolutions, right? When it's nice versus having a bit of a laid up if you if you plan it. Now you can actually implement it so that by the time it's New Year's Eve, you can actually be doing the habit regularly. Yeah, rather than on the first of January, needing to do it.
Well, I think as Craig Harper always says, It's not about the day that you start like, there's new just because it feels good. It's number one, it's the first day of the year she's like, she's still won't change. And I don't think the science or the data is out that says that it is the best day to start anything. And so sorry, September 5, it is your I think, don't you think if you went if you went on a unusual day, like you just went against the grind started on a Friday as the Christmas party was about to happen, you probably if you can, you know, if you can hold off doing that safe, you know, a lot of lot of goals around things that rely on your mental power resisting something or not indulging something or doing something so you probably stronger you probably building more resilience and power doing it on the day that you really don't want to do it. So
So do you think September 5 is a good day, then? Have you
got something that you don't want to you don't want to you know, though? What's your what's your
understanding? Is you sounding as if I've got some sort of plan to something that I've just brought up? I don't
know. I'm just saying. I think that I realized that over the years. I've always done this at about September, I'll start with new year's resolutions. So it's a good sign. It's like three months or something until Christmas. Is it September? October? November? Yeah. Around sort of three ish months to Christmas to install it. Yeah. And it's it was like, I think that
end of December, January one tends to be not a great time to try and get things happening. Whereas if you have started a news resolution in September, by December it, you'll be in party season. I think it's a good thing. Like if you want to drink less, like, yes, you could smash a heap of booze at Christmas. Or you could actually bring the news resolution forward and make it as if, like, if you're serious about it being a long term thing, why not start it? So that actually impacts one of the biggest drinking days normally over the heavy done something, have you got a news resolution that you're proud of that you've actually that you achieved, or you've
put to practice and stuck at it?
Yeah, I think that like, it's hard to
Yeah, I don't know. I do think it's mount like these little you give him cracks. And over 15 years, you've done a whole bunch of little stuff and they might not have been successful to the way you painted them. But when you put them all together, there's quite a bit of success in that.
Yeah, I think it's a small incremental improvements every single year. I think that's probably what the reality of where a news resolution ends up being things like, I think definitely habits around
drinking water has always been one
stuff around like, you know, white for instance, the my white journey if people have gone to my Instagram and saying what I look like when I was like 12 years old, I've gone on a very slow weight loss journey, which has had so many different sort of incarnations, but yeah, I think that it's, um, it's worthwhile, like, for instance, having a water bottle. We actually got this from an old couple from Georgia in the US, Savannah, Georgia, they just gave us two water bottles. Isn't that nice around? Is
it them in the hotel room? Are you in their hotel room,
they put something in that order that they were up there we met them in Turkey, though. Super lovely. And we're saying that we were going to be going hiking in Slovenia, as I
do you know about I haven't told you this. Amy went on this trip. She went on this trip with this, I think it was this guy and like sisters, her sister's friend wanted to go overseas and she was looking for someone to go overseas with and then anyway, they booked this tour and it turned out that they had booked a tour group that was like legit old people.
She was like 20 something and she was on the oldies to a group and she said they had a great time and I would love this we would love that it was
just your trip
I'm sure you would have met Amy on 100% we
were actually like getting along with the old people they would have been in their 70s and we were connecting over them having to deal with their on a cruise and there were a bunch of rowdy young people drinking I am right now just shy Kim is
not we're not into it.
I did think just before I had a bit of a nap today I was just exhausted but I was thinking as I woke up thinking you would be in trouble if you I don't think these podcasts would if you were a drinker this podcast yeah would I think falling apart like traveling overseas not just boozing on doing this early mornings it just it would not work Hi I'm glad that you're part of the all the all the club
well it's a discipline to i think that i mean this would be this would be a massive news resolution if you thought about this and this was started the 16th of January but I definitely if you think about it my new year's resolution for this she was all sort of idea was creative momentum and so that creative momentum started off as a doing YouTube videos and then I thought you know what, I think I can actually make a bigger impact and do it if I wanted to add something daily doing something that's minimum viable product that's going to take less time than producing a crazy video yeah and I land like you know, we landed on this
Yeah, it is good I think you set the intention of of what you want to be doing and for me I like I don't find maybe I should but I don't find a don't set specific goals that you could really go well you know, you've ended up in that exact place I always set over my over my life and then obsess about something that I want to be doing and I usually end up gravitating towards that because I'm thinking about it and so I like the momentum the creative momentum because it's like it's not specific but your intention when you doing things and we were you sort of hating has that in mind so this definitely has got some creative momentum within it how do you how do you think would be good way to develop a new year's resolution
I just don't think I think when it's wrapped up don't do what it needs to have a new year's resolution but don't use
your own motion triggered by news you're triggered by news resolutions I can tell it's you get the same attitude as if I say I'm going to join it Jim no actually happy with it as long as it's the one I met so we can go together I'm actually over we are going to start I told Bray yesterday that you and Tommy day and I are going to be stopped hashtag lifting yeah yeah you are we gonna go to the same gym by the way we're gonna go to the fitness first in Richmond right Tommy
I will have our air pods on and you'll be in another gym and we just have you on one a one year he and and you can work out with us but you know they're in the same fucking team right
really came to do the every single day changing the different you know like one day you do one day to Saturday you do legs just cows is is that like to either have to be a bodybuilder to do that right now it's just a split body routine. It's Yeah,
I you don't like it. Though, do know I did it for years, I did only that kind of training for five years,
it's pretty hard on the body. like to be able to condition yourself to be able to try and adjust your biceps on one day. And then just you back on another it
takes a while. The whole isn't that the whole point though, in the sense of if you're doing it to the Versa you do it to something what's the thing you do until you're exhausted to exert failure to failure yeah like if that's the idea isn't that like the if you're not doing that then you're not fully sort of working your muscles it there's many ways to measure
the like the workout means to that one in the midst of finally or if you being really strategic, he can, you know, have mapped out strength amount where you have to hit those numbers every single week. So I'm doing five reps and I have to hit five sets of five reps otherwise of gone too heavy. And so the point is, you don't want to go too heavy because you want to be able to next week progress slightly. And so you're looking at you still doing it to failure. Right so and I can say okay, I didn't realize the failure because you work at the goal the workout is to do five sets of five reps on 80 kilos the next week is five sets of five reps on at 2.5 kilos and the whole thing is that you're not failing by the end of five sometimes you don't actually you could go I could do another three but it's not the point of the workout because you you need you need to complete five sets of it rather than just going you know doing 10 on the first the next set you were doing like seven and by the end you can hardly do four of the four reps of the same way that you know and so you're building out this seminar across five sets of something so there's so many ways of doing it but we're not doing a split routine right right Don't get ahead of yourself that's what I was hoping for for just being able to work on my but I've watched a video that massive Ella
did who created minimalism who we're going to have on the podcast in a lie yeah and he's a one thing that I appreciate about Matt ease his bicep level and is it biceps? Is that the thing
no no code level he talking about? You're referring to size when you say level. Yeah, yeah. I'm
just saying the level of his bicep
the level of his bicep,
man. Look at look at the level of that guy. Look how you know what that is. But he in his YouTube video, he was doing those split days. Yeah. And,
and I think it is a good workout. The thing is, you can sort of go through the motions. It's hard man when you try and five days awake. If you're actually it's a lot of time. That's the problem. If you if you're not working at the
and you definitely only 30 minutes to tell you think that it's I reckon it's elevated to or to be this really scary thing where it's like when he was describing it. And when I've heard it described specifically doing though split is or whatever it's called. It's like your focus. I like the idea that you are where I get anxious at the gym is when you're going to all different things and fucking around. But the idea of being like, I've got 30 minutes, I just need to smash myself in this specific area. So I need to know that like, rather than because I think that being targeted, I can really think about what I'm doing, versus I reckon if I just did a general work at the first thing to hurt would be my back is, is making sure that it's my arms on my leg. So things like the reality is, if I put you through a five day split workout, you fucking wouldn't be able to walk by the end of the week, like your body would just ache and it wouldn't, because I've pushed you to her. She's because you're not conditioned to spend 30 minutes working a small muscle group lucky biceps, trying to get that level up. It's like, I think you're triggered by working with a lot of people like you being a payday and working with a lot of people over these. No,
not really. I think the reality is, you wants to get it. If you start doing it. It's It's too painful. Like I heard, if I tried to do it. Now, I would hurt I'm not conditioned to do it. So when I say I was doing it, because I had someone get started, then will you do varied workout a few days a week to start conditioning yourself. And then you start getting used to experiencing pain and experiencing the feeling of having worked out your muscles. And so then when you sort of have not, you don't have an aversion to that because you understand that that's what happens when you are working out. You can then move up your threshold to feeling really uncomfortable, because it's not comfortable
to feel like that all the time. And so yeah, I think I think for you, it's just like, you need to get clean. You need to understand the workout
I get that is it is it is really good. When do we have to do is do your biceps or do your chest because it's like it's less load mentally. I felt that as well. When I rock up. Yeah, yeah, I know. I've just set forth for exercises on this. And that's pretty straightforward. But remember, you're not by yourself. And it helps. So imagine you got someone there. That's why people paid me money. Justin, I was literally just handing them dumbbells and tell you Okay, now so because it is it's like half the battle is doing it. And if he's rocking up to do it. And so if you've got someone to do something with it's like this podcast have committed to this more than I have committed to exercise over the last five years. more sexy. Yeah, I don't think I've committed that that had to exercise
before I was really trying to get that level up. It's like some game just like yeah, look at bicep. It's just, it looks like a some sort of pie chart. There's the the level of my biceps there's a level of my glutes
raise that up I'm gonna tema gushy when we tried to do an episode.
Earlier in the day six I am and the internet fucked up. But we were speaking about industries that have lost trust. And we're talking about real estate agents. We talked about dentist we didn't speak about pts at all. Yeah, and I'm sure that people could relate because we would have would have a bit of harps audience bleed over from being on his podcast. Yeah.
And I think that I get to smell like the conversations that you and I have around health, I'm always triggered by because I feel like
from day one, there's a limiting belief or like, I feel like I want to be able to be in control of my destiny. And I think that
sometimes personal trainers can put their own baggage of what they expect from you, or I've seen this before, and all that sort of thing. Like, I know what's going to happen versus, you know, most of this stuff is psychological. Like, what's the difference between like, if that is the approach that I want to take, and I'm going to be happy about it. And it's like, I feel like that's been the biggest struggle in my sort of GM, pe t sort of life over the different years, and going to different ones, ease pts trying to prescribe what they want me to do, versus maybe what I wanted to do that will potentially get the similar results.
Yeah, well, the trust not there for the PTA. Because you're not, you're telling you don't go to a pay to tell, tell them what you want to do. Half the time in terms of you tell them what your goals are. And they're the expert to get you there, the ones that the way that they think will work for you. So there is a bit of them, like you have to satisfy the customer in terms of sending them in the direction they goals, but you help them get there the way that you know, work are you 100% you'll do you'll get got you reach, you know, success by doing a split five day a week routine.
But then there's the knowledge base, you've never done it. It's like half the battle with exercise is mental, as you kind of said, like, well, if if I know that it's mental, and that that's a sure way to really screw with you. This is probably not the way to go. Yeah, I don't know, I think but I think you're a sheet client, I would have fired you because you're annoying. Well, I
I think that most people within especially with misinformation and with you know, people reading books, like, you know, stuff that say Tim Ferriss puts out there, people are seeing themselves as self experimenters and know it alls. They read a book and all that sort of thing. But I think that
what it probably also shines light on his people who might not know this shit. Or that might be you know, it might question someone else's. It's like, the thing of,
I remember a dermatologist telling telling me when I was a kid that like diet has nothing to do with like, having acne, stuff like that. And I still think about that. And like, it doesn't completely makes sense because the food that we like, we are what we eat in the sense of like, the food that we consume is going to have some sort of impact on our body isn't Yeah. And so I think that even like, there's these Um, I think it's interesting that thing of questioning people within these industries that have gone to school and they've spent a lot of time you know, on these types of approaches, wouldn't you wouldn't nutritionist suggest people do fasting to lose weight? Um, yeah, I don't know. Probably not.
It depends on
I think, yeah, the dermatologist one that's, that's an interesting one, because he's got a point in, in respect to if you were a pubescent young child there's you're already fact you probably getting people because you going through
puberty and the hormones are going met, but you've also eating quarter pounders every night, it's probably going to make that worse. So that's it. Yeah. So he's taking the wrong approach there because it's like you you should be doing anything and everything to assist in some kind of a reduction of of the thing that you've got a problem with. But paydays, there's plenty of people who've got no fucking clue. And I was probably one of them, I was young, but then it's like, I had success with some clients that just stuck at what I was prescribing them and suggesting that they do outside of the sessions and they got results. And so these this finally white, most things get, like brain I were talking about she's looking at going to F 45
when we get back to Melbourne. Why don't you get results basically, if you do some movement and you watch your diet you're going to get results
Yeah. 100% Yeah.
I mean, and so that that's where I think the barrier ease in some regards is it's like these the over intellectualize ation of the thing that you're trying to do, versus doing the thing. So it becomes this debate of like, you know, it's like, it's like a fat fuck on a bike who is counting all the grams on his bike to make sure that he's got like, you had the best sort of power to weight ratio when he could easily lose 40 kilos. So it's like, it seems like you're a bit misaligned dimmer sense of what you've in the sense of what you're focusing on
it 45 works if you stick at it through. But if you do it constantly, and it becomes normal for you, you need to change something about us. And, you know, you can only work yourself so hard. So then it's like, after time, maybe you switch to CrossFit, CrossFit works. They're all these things work. But then if it becomes really like, your results will diminish if you're doing the exact same thing and not changing it up. And so that's where it's like, it's a it's a slippery slope in the space of exercise. Because like it, what if you start achieving success it like heavy and I actually in line with actual goals that you've set out, you look at bodybuilders it's like, like, consistently working towards something that they don't know where that end is, a lot of the time, unless they're competing, because it's like, then you get to this competition, you need that that's the one day that you have to look unbelievable. And it starts getting unhealthy. It's, it's hard. That's why for me, I've been down those paths and I end up just my goal ends up being just go so I can because I know it's healthy for me, which then it's like sticking in that but I do like, and I'd like to do it with you is actually trying to get some results because it does you stay being more thoughtful and you're sticking to something you keep, you know, tracking your progress. And I just want I actually my goal is for you. Like, I'll go to the gym and I'll get results. But I just want to on a stack at least five to six or seven kilos of muscle onto onto your little skinny time.
As much as I
think it's the next what's the next step, right. It's the same
for me, it's been
about that weight loss thing for that. And I feel like I've
nailed that down. And I think Tom's guide to alpha mode baby
think that it would be interesting, I think that there's definitely a I have done the funny thing is that even my whole life I've done so many different versions of an extreme diet, that the idea of doing a bit of fucking chicken and salad and veggies is not a worry I'd like to me that's like, that's far as normal are using. Yeah. So but it's it's always integrating those things together.
I until you actually do this stuff like I know like you don't have data from history of sticking to this stuff I've started to like I don't do the thing that I fucking know I should be doing right in terms of the white training and stuff like I've got some photos of different stages of may committing to like low carb and lots of weight training in Monza protein and like the what I look like they're compared to the next thing it's like so that's what I'm looking forward to working the shit out with you what works best for you. Oh man I looked so far I think having I think low carb like cutting out bread rice like in terms of what my body look like and I remember how I felt and I felt light I think that was and I was training you know I was doing what I was doing all the other times pretty much just training hard and making sure that changing up the workouts and stuff anyway that definitely is what I need to do right to add too many carbs far out but it's but the problem is what I can actually get away with eating carbs it doesn't make me feel sick
yeah and yeah and so
that's that's the thing I it's I can just ate bread nothing really happens um well there's the other thing which is the farm gluten intolerance and shit like that that people apply to themselves as a way to to lose weight right like iconic gluten and also thing it doesn't really sort of sit wow but I wonder how many how many of those experiences like I went through Italy eating pizza and pastor all the time and I felt fine yeah
also good and nobody was ready for it yeah no reaction now did you like I even got high Boone from eating too much pizza like I felt like it's like fuck I just need a piece of green vegetable with no salt on it because that's everything just feels taste salty meets my insides were cured meat
Yeah, the cured meat stuff worries me a little bit with this sort of research around giving you cancer and stuff like that
so bad stuff yeah
I do that's one area that I've never been great at is the
I don't actually mind the taste of vegetables but it's just making it
up priority yeah
yeah everyone could easily increase their vegetable intake I don't think it hurt them
if you had to put a new year's resolution right now put something that you've been thinking about or that you're not happy with and then a habit that you can implement that will you know help counter that what would it be yeah
I think it's around the exercise stuff see here's the problem right i get i get more people talking to me about my body when I have stopped training because I become like a fucking I get skinny
it really stinks people pointed out I'm looks I seen it's like that's that's a compliment from a host brother yeah I just like not optimal at the moment as i as i could be like I just if I sat weight training I just look thicker and I feel better both actually mentally and physically. So I think Yeah, and I've got you on board for this one. So I'm already doing
that. So what's what's the habit? what's the what's the change then what's the actual implementable step
yeah split body rotating back to the old days
I'm at I've actually done a U turn on that you're on the split body routine as soon as you get back to it
I will I want people like it given we have so many PT health professionals who listened to the podcast hi at the daily talk. show.com What like am I am I completely crazy about this split routine thing I bought the Arnold Schwarzenegger book A few years ago I reckon if I just lifted that the white that that
make some progress.
what, let's give it a crack. If that's what you want to do. ease into it. You will be saw but ways will ease through a start with a three day start with a four day split. But it was okay. It isn't it? Isn't that like the thing like I feel so then I know that I'm making progress now. Versus
like that. What makes me feel should is when you go to the gym, and you don't feel anything? Yeah, I know. But
I think it's just when you haven't done that when you haven't done it ever. It is so painful. Like I it was a strategy of mine not to do that to clients that were that were just freshly starting out. I will never come back. It is it is that annoying. Remember, you've got jobs and you're holding cameras up. And it's like, you can be smart about it. Or you can just be silly and try to you know,
yeah, you want. The thing I can never get into is the protein shakes. I tried that I did. I went to virgin active two months. Paid for a membership for a year. But
yeah, the thing was that the guy I was training with, he had a completely different body type. So he was skinny trying to build muscle. Yeah, and here I was probably could lose a couple of Kj but also wanted to build muscle. I think that probably the thing that's also happened is I've, it's, it's in possible to, like I think to be doing some sort of calorically restricted diet and putting on muscle mass. So you gotta, you gotta pick one, right? So I think that I'll be lean enough or, you know, I'll have low enough fat in the sense of May to be able to say, Actually, I can have I can do 2500 calories or whatever a day and do a white routine or whatever routine is that we call it you can play like, just like you can call by set size level.
Yeah, it's it's a level Yeah,
I can work on my bicep level
with the routine Yeah, yeah.
I feel like you've come around I feel like you've soften since the start of this conversation. I just wear people down which is great
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