#821 – Choice, Willpower & Feedback/
- August 14, 2020
We chat about our Fat Fridays surprise order, Bodhi and his vitamin C, a bit of feedback for Josh, ego depletion, and finding out about someone’s crazy past.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Our Fat Fridays order
– Asking whether you should bring a jumper outside
– Some feedback for Josh
– Bodhi and vitamin C
– Filet-o-Fish and a Big Mac
– Willpower and ego depletion
– The paradox of choice
– Curiosity and finding out about a crazy past
– Juvy, forgiveness and rehab
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 821.
Happy fat Friday gronk. So what's happening? What's going on? So, the premise was, I was ordering you what I wanted to wait for fat Fridays and yet we're ordering me What? You wanted to wait for some Fridays. Yeah, yeah, Saudis fat Friday. So you got it. We had to sort of indulge Your food is here, Josh, do you wanna go get it? Yeah, I'm gonna go Okay. I'll say, Okay, so, today's fat Friday, guys, I had the idea that Josh could look through the UberEATS app and find something that he really wants for himself. So it's his. It's what he wants. And then he has to send that to me. And then I do the same. I have to look through the app and find what I really want to eat, and then send that to Josh. So he's already got his food. Mine's on here. who passed by Okay, I'm very
happy. Thank you.
Yeah, happy Yeah. You say it already?
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's come in the bag. Funnily enough wouldn't disturb you to know that I've actually what you've ordered me I've had this way.
can I explain? Yeah, so
yeah, yeah, explain expired because I really feel like eating this right now. But
thanks, Tommy it says on the side. Enjoy the Berg's. give feedback. grilled.com de au forward slash feedback for what you've gotten me is the trio sliders, breed check. Classic Zen chick. Pepsi Max and
VCs jet. This is Jessica Lucas inspired producer Jess. It's her. She's the they call her the the the slider or they call the trio or they call it now that's a slot is she? This is her go to slider The trio of sliders from grilled cheese. I mean, never, never had it. I saw it. I thought, I want that. And I had to give what I wanted to use. So what do
you think that I've gotten? You
might say you're you're sort of more central to the cost of the city. There's more options. I feel there is only a handful of things you can get me in the suburb that, that I'm in Tulane, so most likely, it's a kebab, or a pizza, or
I reckon that's it. That's all
it is Aranda you could be really onto something how far off is actually I can tell you how far off you're. Hopefully nothing's happened. In the meantime, let's see. Just having a look at the Uber Eats app. I've actually used the business function. Oh no, like I put in the card out. It's the first order I've done on the business expense yet. I normally leave that to you. There's a whole section on UberEATS where you put in your business is that what is that what you do?
Well, I did say that and then you can assign other people to be able to use it. It seems. I mean, it's Yeah, it's so same it's pretty thought through
arrival for you within four minutes
are great. I just say, I mean, I've had I see it was one of these things where she's like I said, I can't wait to share this with Josh on the show. She said Don't you dare put on the show. And then then
you heard what he said with that Bray Yes.
That makes it and then she said that makes you want to do it more does it doesn't it when I when I say don't put on the show, but Yeah, it does. It definitely does. That one of the most infuriating This is silly, because it's such a basic question infuriating. Every time she's going outside. She says to me, well, what's the weather? Is it cold? Should I put on it? Should I put on a jumper I actually came to the conclusion that it's pretty safe that in wintertime, always go warm. Yeah, always go warm. It's not like summertime is like you can be looking outside it looks a bit and then you go out and spring the hot spring that safe to wear a jumper and then just put it hold it. And so there's just this infuriating commentary
going like, What? Why you going out? And then once I mean planning,
I'm at home and she's just going to do some shopping. It's always what's the wind? Is it cold outside? Is it cold enough for a jumper? I'm just wanting
to say, Look, I'll just tell you if it's hot.
That's a good one. That's a good one. That's the that's my relationship rule. I will inform you when the weather is too hot for a Jamba. And then that's when you so other than that, it's always a jumper that you'll be taking.
I mean, I need to be aware of is when you bring up stuff within your relationship. That's very low level. You are opening yourself up for feedback. I got some food and he had time. Yeah. Did you get a text message? unsolicited or always unsolicited? When am I ever asking people for their opinions in any sort of context? Right, so I got this from Ben Fordham at 8:37pm last night.
Right You got it you got breakfast radio in about three hours. What are you doing? I'm messaging Josh.
So Max and it's all it's all written out it like very sort of spread out to small Wow. by your own fucking coffee. Get up first. Get in the shower first by the fucking coffees, bro is not your mum or your personal assistant? If it means something to take control? Thanks, bro. bf
best friend or
ABC. I think it's I mean, I don't like being told what to do. So I didn't get the coffee this morning. Because I felt like I'd be doing it for band. If I'm gonna do it. For brain i
that is Ready is funny. I'm pumped for this food.
I'll tell you, I'll tell you how it's very hard to concentrate. Isn't that when you're
trying to decide you gotta when you get a delivery buddy just got a delivery from his grandparents. He was so excited up and he he got a he got a brand new transformer.
I actually brought you one of the slides breezy. Do you want to? I got sliders. Do you want to join it you can have you can have one of them. And just put the other two on the play that you pick the one that you want.
Oh, now that is a generous guy.
You know don't listen folks.
What what's what's the guy's giving out one of these sliders? And it's definitely I'm not doing this for optics. I was gonna do it anyway. I forgot we're recording.
Do you know I actually got it thinking because I am always considering I wouldn't Bri like, wants to eight yes to it's like a fun time for us.
And I thought you could have given one so I'm glad You didn't I didn't have to tell you. I hope to do as well. He takes one of the chicken ones to find out what to chicken
well, birdies favourite food at the moment. I don't know if it's a food. It's definitely not a food. Vitamin C tablets that tastes like orange. He's obsessed.
I mean the whole game doing that a bit like you're going in the vitamins Yeah,
yeah, yeah, it's always always good feeling a bit under the weather. But I gave it I crack off half and so he gets half a tab. But now I've realised that I can't go for a drive with him because sometimes I want him to go to sleep and we have to go for little Hoon around the suburb. I can't give him a vitamin C around the time that we go in the car where he might be sleeping. Because this week in the car, and I'm tired when you're trying to get a kid to sleep it's like usually coincides with you being really tired as well because you're like, aka when when this kid sleeps. I can just like put my chair back and just have Little have a little nap because you weren't sleeping a bed during the day sleeps it so you go into the
you go to a car park or something.
I have many nights I have been everywhere. On the Carfax lurking the guy
that got a fine because he was in his car. Do you hear about this? Yeah, yeah, yeah look there was a that he's housemate was having loud sex was that
was after curfew though. It was after curfew, okay. And so your gronk if you're out after curfew, it's just it's the rule don't leave the house after I whereas I'm dry like he might go into a petrol or I'm just, I'm heading out right. I'd be so surprised if they actually find you and you're like, Man, I've got a
good story. I feel like oh, yeah, like credit video on? Oh, definitely.
Definitely. And also, so body's trying to sleep and he doesn't, it's a bit sour for him to crunch up the vitamin C tablet. And so what he started doing is just Just looking at like a cat licking a Salt Lick. And so in the back, he's like he's falling asleep. And then he drops the vitamin C and wipes out. Where's and he's panicking, panicking where's my vitamin C gone, who's stolen it? grabs it. And then there was a few times where we actually dropped it down onto the ground. And I had to pull over and fight and get this thing. No more. No more. What about an
Oh, remember those things have
been a bit you can still meet them if I got if I sent you guys one as a gift for Bodie. Would you let him have it?
Not not he'd become obsessed with it. It'd be like some sort of weed weed sort of tick of his he'd just have it in his pocket and just be pulling it out every five minutes. It's it's freaky. Did you have one as a kid? No. Yeah, we went to the I used to get them from the shops, smaller ones and then the big ones. I got too impatient with them. So I'd like to like write them open. And then like you get a different flavour and there's a bit of fees on the inside. I'm actually surprised Bodi is a he, he he holds stuff. Like he, um, he, he doesn't go, necessarily, I would think because he loves chocolate. He would just go like this is Duffy's face Do you like Heinz? No, he just he goes slower and he's say visit. I was really impressed
with vitamin C or is this actually chocolate because it was smashed their easter eggs?
Yeah, he was but they're a bit like a bigger piece of chocolate. Some deserve your orders and the last one. Is it is it. Alright, I'm gonna go check this Hang on. Sorry,
everyone what I've gotten him into McDonald's. I got him. nuggets, Big Mac and something else and some sources to come in. Listen, I hate
you happy. Are you happy or not? Yeah.
I feel like you're
disappointed. No, no. I know. I'm happy. Because now there's a Big Mac in there. I'm not unhappy.
Well, the Big Mac was free.
Was it? Yeah, well, it can have the Big Mac. I'm happy though. I, I had the rule of not eating beef, meat. And so now this is good. So this is great, because it's actually what I would never go and buy. And so it's always nice when you get something to kind of describe what you buy. Alright, so I've got chicken mcnuggets 10 of them
wasn't 2010 Oh, hang on.
two packs of Tanja. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Got two of these. I got a Filipino fish very in theme with this way because when you show
a fish, fish don't say what it looks like. Oh, wow. It looks fake. It doesn't actually looks like oh my goodness, dude, let's get the thumbnail for that. That's ridiculous.
You guys can pull that down
That's ridiculous. It really does look fake and so you're gonna feel Oh, Phil officially fish Phil oh nice some nugs the sources and sources
of you got I got Oh, I got big mac sauce I have yet
is the big mac sauce on set. Okay, it's it's just a small little serving noise. Yep, seems like normal size. And then I've got
what else we got here.
We've got sweet and sour. Yeah, you standard stock standard and then what else is down here?
What's in this shaker fries. Oh,
yeah. So do you know what shaker fries are?
Too old school. I don't understand it. So I just I just added it in but what is it? So shaker fries, cheeseburger flavoured shaker seasoning. shaker fries. Oh,
and so like Perry Perry is that the idea? I think like when Perry Perry chips
Yeah, so it's like yeah, it's so it's feels like a salty salt
What does it say to do as it got instructions I'm just gonna start eating one of my
oh my god so it smells like cheeseburger It smells like the sort of oniony yeah the only Oh, it's just a powder and so what I'm going to do is mixing some some chips into this bag that I supply you with I go all of them so I can sort of have a few with some other stuff
or you do that I'll show you everyone what the sliders look like. It's a slider from grill. Free ended up giving me all three because she felt like a sandwich instead. Oh really?
Oh, here we go. Okay, so I've shaken up the shake of fries. And I've got
oh well do they taste different,
So it's giving them a full flavour. Like Mac OS chips are just salty. Now these are like
actually adding a flavour to it. So shaker fries. When did they like I wonder if you can just buy because I saw I nearly got this for you but I thought it would have been annoying. You can buy milk and bread from Mac is now should have got me so I really got you like groceries from MCAS but I thought you would have been pissed off. Do you
know in the back of my head today because I haven't eaten meat from like I said for a couple of years. Meat being beef. I literally like I mean I just get lucky because I want to burgers today. So you nailed it. Even I and I was like maybe I'll just get like a duty Big Mac or something
like that. Well you have the Big Mac
I spent a while on it. Yeah, I think have it because so you're having the the fellow a fish relay a fish
if Philae fillet o fish. It's been Yes or No in a minute. Yes. Yeah, I can feel I Oh fish now so they put a lot of Tata sauce
a lot. That's good,
Yeah, I'm happy and it's actually Amy's favourite Boga. Really?
Is it fishy?
It definitely tastes like fish.
Yeah, like a big finger. A fish finger. We big fish. I thought that bit better. Okay.
Yeah, we had them we had them.
Amy was a big fish finger kid. Is it a rectangle?
Is it because I think I remember when I worked at Mac is they were like small rectangular.
It's at the bottom and it's, it's complete. It's just like a it's completely melted. Okay, and so I couldn't tell you what shade Okay, that's fine.
All right. I'm sorry. You're gonna have your Big Mac then. Yeah. Okay. I feel like this is one of the whole cases of mine. Now you got me a Big Mac? And then I was like, No, no, no, no, no. So you don't have to know.
I didn't say it. I've got willpower, but off the alcohol
you have a certain amount of willpower.
Yeah. Drink any there was really so there was, um, it's a thing called ego depletion. So look it up, we will have a bucket of willpower. And there's only certain, a certain amount like it's not endless amount. So if you decide, I'm going to eat well, that uses up a bit of your willpower. Then if you decide, okay, I'm going to get up at 6am that uses some more and you can get to a point where there's no willpower left. And that's ego depletion. And if you get to that stage, you start doing shit that you just want to do. So let's say our fact that I'm gonna eat the Big Mac because you've got no none left in your bucket.
Why ego depletion egos driving your what's, what's the ego drive? Yeah, it's
interesting. I'll tell you. So, ego depletion theory. I think I read this in I think Dan Ariely, the organisational psychologist spoke about it, he goes to publish it, this is on Wikipedia. ego depletion refers to the idea that self control or willpower draws upon a limited pool of mental resources that can be used up with the word ego used in a psychological sense rather than the colloquial sense. When the energy for a mental activity is low. self control typically is impaired, which would be considered a state of ego depletion.
So, okay, so it's almost like it's more of a you when you're vulnerable, when you're really tired. You've had a huge day. And so if you're relying on your, your will like that willpower or that holding off It can be affected by the times that you are tired or it's all a bit too much, which is where the non negotiable thing I guess, becomes a powerful thing. So you're not relying on power, or you know, self control because it's a, I don't do that.
Well, this is the whole thing. So this is the thing so the word gets uses it when it comes to food and things like that. So if you if you don't want if you want to lose weight, or if you want to control your calories, if you if you want to avoid ego depletion, one of the senses is you. It's like a language change. So normally, when people are at a party, and they're on a diet and they they're serving cake, there's two different ways that you can say it and the like decline the cake and depending on how you say it will depend on whether it will potentially use some of your willpower or not. So the first version you I can't have that. Or I'm not allowed. I'm not allowed that. And so if you do that, that is using I think more willpower because you are potentially wanting it. Whereas if you change the language to I don't want that. No, no thanks. I don't want any that then is way more powerful because you're actually not entering into that. The bucket of willpower.
Yeah, yeah, I get it because then when you like, Oh, I miss it. I wish I could have it. And then you're saying no, then you you feel the pain in that? Because you're longing for it to that moment? It's um, Amy's getting stuck rod into that Phillip Oh, fish. Really? And you said I fucking love you happy Abigail in this. This is good. For me the drinking stuff. It's like having such a clean No, in my head. Doesn't I don't feel like I'm requiring any women. Power. I don't need anything.
Exactly. I think that's because you've reconciled that this is a choice that you want to make. It's not happening to you. Yeah, you were choosing. And that's where like, if you work somewhere, you have way more likely, like there's a higher likelihood to succeed if you're at a workplace. And you say, this isn't perfect for me right now. But I'm working here, because I'm going to, I'm making money to be able to go on to the next thing or because I'm doing this or that, versus if you say, if I can hate my job, I don't want to be here, but I have to be here. All of a sudden, you're, you're entering into a space where you're a bit of out of control, and you're going to have to enter into your willpower and then all of a sudden, if you're using your willpower for that, then all of a sudden when a Big Mac comes in front of you like it has now Yeah, I mean it's too late it and so, I mean, you can you can actually say that, like how many times have you in the last lecture. I can relate to this anyway. It's like, you give yourself a break how many times you like I forgot to give myself a break. Like, fact I've worked out all day. I'm just going to order food. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do that. And I think the reason is, is because if you're in Victoria right now, we're having to enter into willpower because we are not deciding to be stuck at home right now. And so I think that that's why for me, I was very keen in the early days to be like, we're making the choice of moving early, as a way of it not feeling as though it was being forced upon us or it was it just that it was a decision that was made by us, if it's a decision made by us ownership, and all of that sort of stuff is at a higher level. Yeah, anyway, big man. Yeah.
I mean, I, I could I put my sort of blinkers on it helps for certain things. And I think about how it can be destructive to be Sort of single focus, like if you are sort of that rigid rule, and then what kind of energy that brings. And the actual one requires some level of trade off about being so just like, No, that's not what I do at this moment, has a whole bunch of ricochet effect. But then there's, it's like weighing up. So this is like some negatives in that sort of really sort of strict thinking about how I don't do it. And that's, you know, but then on the other side is a higher benefit or higher reward than any of the little negatives that come out of having a really focused mindset. And so, I mean, look at athletes, it's like, some of them is so like, what it requires to achieve whatever they're doing training and not doing all the things you see how it's like, it can be really disruptive when they come at the other side because it's, it falls apart because they were able to achieve in a certain area and have all this sort of strict rules around behaviour, and then when you release it, what happens there it's like
well all of a sudden you have choice encountered and so what happens with so you deciding not to drink all of a sudden, you don't have to necessarily use the willpower like you had to before so if it was, if you had the option of I have a balanced diet and I drink whenever and it's like, I'm just it's all about balance, you're potentially having to use that willpower. There's a great there's an old you know
what it avoids though it sorry just to say it of what you avoid. So for me that that approach of I'll just do it sort of you know, every now and then blah, blah, blah, not nothing specific. It's just, I end up might drink fucking five days in a row and then have three weeks off and then whatever it be once a week for multiple weeks. Whatever happens is the the feelings about it myself. And so then it's like, how you are looking at yourself. And that's that self talk of like, are you piece of shit, you haven't done this right? Or you're not, you know, that's where the pain can come from. Whereas the strict No, allow it, like you're not entering into those feelings. And so it definitely works for some, it's just about, is it consistent? Can you keep it consistent for the rest of your life or for a long period of time?
But then there's, I think it's a TED talk, the Paradox of Choice. View, if you watch that, Now, remember, the guy's got really good jeans on He's like, old school, sort of, what kind of do you think, you know, they like,
like a lot. So BJ,
yeah, they'll call jeans. But there's, it's what year 2006. So it's 14 years old. But um, the Paradox of Choice. It's even a book. The theory is rather than just writing out I'll just tell you what I remember but it's just the whole thing. of why Is it that we have Netflix, Stan, and all of this all these different fucking streaming services, yet? We can't work out what fucking movie to watch. And so I think that this plays into it as well where it's like more choice doesn't mean that life's easier. Like it actually gets harder. That's why it's great like In and Out Burger is freaking awesome because it's like you've got only a few things on the menu. And that's where, from Apple's perspective, in the 90s, Apple had so many different products and they were failing. And when Steve Jobs came back, it was all about simplifying it was giving consumers less rather than more choice, which I think is something that gets gets lost because you just want to add so much more. And we
are Yeah, it was. It's like an illusion. That multiple options gives you you feel good confident, I've got lots of sort of got lots to choose from.
So I fit you know, it's like, you can only do it on
you, but then that is a thing. So that's the paradox. I love having lots to choose from any like, Fuck, I can even choose one. It definitely happens. Yeah, so often. Yeah. And so and I just like I always land on watching the world's toughest prisons, let's be honest, it's whatever. And it's like, when you like, you know, there's choices that you make when it's like you fed up with everything else. And so you've given up at that point, and you're watching something just because it's, it's there. You don't you don't care for it. And you're like, whatever. I found that the other night and I was watching world's toughest prisons. And it was like season three or something in this host. He was awesome. And he was like, I was like, is this guy tough motherfucker or what? Like, I can't tell. He goes in and stays in the prison for five days. And he's you know, he's in like South America or is in this is where there was the German one German Yeah. Yeah, the German German where they've got stuck in everything. It's it's a kingdom. No, no,
I have but I have the class are destroying the Christian
but I was looking this guy up and let me find him. He served 12 years in prison and he was talking because I thought he was just like, you know a bit of a poser would be like me in there doing presenting is like someone's like this guy. Anyway he did 12 years in prison and he was wrongfully convicted. He never committed a crime.
Isn't that horrible? Yeah, it's not ideal.
Yeah, my goal at the moment with that like just having a fallback is shits Creek. shits Creek. Yep. You've mentioned that right? Yeah. So brain is like, so easy. When you have a show that you can watch. Then we go for like 20 minutes. So you can like punch out to when it's no problem, but just having the at the end The day we know what we're watching. Yes. is so much easier.
Yeah, I think so this guy, his name, I think is Rafael row Rafale row. And in prison he learned journalism. That's cool. Yeah. He studied journalism and coming out the other side. Now, Lanza TV, I mean, imagine those lives where you're just like, you know, in people, people that just have gone through, you know, high school got a job, you know, had a pretty easy just, you know, life, you know, it's meant to be where it's meant to be. It's like, very easy to say that. But when you have something very tough, like being sent to prison, when you didn't do the crime, oh, and then your life actually turns out well on the other side, or you get it back on the straight and narrow, and then you you know, it's a serving. It's a serving belief to think this all happened for a reason. I am here because of x, y and Zed and if it didn't, you know the lessons I learned from those Tough times.
I mean, what else? What else have we got to really pull on?
Well, yeah, everyone's got their own unique story. Ray Mooney, who was my old screenwriting lecturer. He, he was the first Australian prisoner to get his degree in prison.
Wow. And that was pentridge Prison wasn't
Yeah, it was at age division there. But it was just interesting. Like he he started off writing plays and then films and yes, it's it's interesting because I remember he's such a Yeah, he was he had such an impact in regards to how he taught he was such a he's such a great teacher. Yeah, and yeah, it's it's it's interesting to think about things like I think that people go into what did you like, what did you do or what the whole thing it's, it's interesting with a lot of people who have those experiences you don't feel You don't necessarily feel comfortable doing Big Mac is that what that sound is? Sorry, this is a nugget. Okay. Would it really shiny?
Yeah, I think he had an interesting perspective. Like, yeah, yeah.
So interesting. I think that like he, he he's written some interesting books on, on, on sort of the topics of things that he's learned whilst beat like so where he's become friends with inmates and then sort of learned about different things. Yeah, yeah, I just remember like, because I was younger, like I was 21 when I found out like, it was in fact in prison. It's just like, it's that whole two weird thing like the first time like, do you have you? Have you ever become friends with someone then found out that they've had some crazy pass?
No, I think it's I think it's the Curiosity around someone that may have a disability be in a wheelchair, you know, could have had an accident and it's the Curiosity around how it happened. You know, because I think everyone's thinking Thinking in them about themselves at that point, it's like, wow, like you're looking at your own life thinking about if you went to prison or if you had were in a car accident, all these things, and I've had friends that have been all in all of those situations prison, paraplegics, you know, it's it's all of that suicide What happened? You know, you just it's instantly taken to the place. But um, I mean, we've had MC hole on the show who served quite a long time in prison and now he's, you know, helping people. kick kick the habit kicking drug addiction within reason. Yeah, rehab facility de hab. And I mean, that's where it's like, it would feel like a new existence, it would feel like you've had two lions, right. A lot of these people like that have been in prison have had a belief system to survive those places. And then if they're coming out, they're needing to climatized to a whole new Not just environment, but internal environment, but how to live in this world. And so it's a unique perspective that you can't get without the without having that experience. So there's definitely something different about the people who have been through it.
Have you had friends that have gone to juvie that were able to come out on the other side? a better person because I know what I was reading, but I I was reading something the other day around. Maybe the book, the listening society, but we're talking about how juvie basically just fucks with it, like it's actually not Yeah, it doesn't serve like there needs to be some sort of intervention that happens at a young age, but it needs to be around education or trying to work out a purpose for the for these individuals rather than putting them into a system that where everyone's committing crime and that's a weird Yeah, it's sort of becomes a systemic thing.
Ah, My friend would call me most nights from juvenile and he'd and so he call so what the way I do it was because he can't call
numbers I can serial
da yeah but so what he did his mom would call me and then bring me in on the three way and then we would just chat and so we were connected and then we'd be chatting but he definitely the what I heard from him about that environment. Imagine being at a school camp. I don't know if you've had the experience with like the boys, which is probably the most negative part of having the boys where you feel like this stack someone it's like, you don't feel safe you feel like on Yeah, it is like if I can, things are getting thrown you're all staying in one room. You know, I had a bottle, a two litre bottle of water thrown in the dark and it fucking hit me on the dick and my balls went up into my chest. And it's just like, I just remember that feeling of I'm you're not safe in this moment. He that What you're on edge in those places? I don't think there's it. I don't think you can just think you're at home. You don't. And so I think he had something to do with a banana and now some guys were fucking with him and like these young young kids, but they're nasty as fuck a lot of them that's why they're in there. They're not in there because they're just good, good little kids. They're in there because they
feel what's the solution? Do you think?
I don't know. I mean,
it could be something around real world examples with so real world life life lessons I don't know there could be some kind of system that takes young kids and partners them with adults that you know, know a thing or two have been through similar experience experiences and come out the other side role models, but this is the thing we're not we're trying to solve the judiciary was it called the judicial system of the fuckin
like That sounds
like it's even broader than that. Right? It's the Yeah. Where does forgiveness? Where does environment versus like, if I can genetics, like where does that all sort of fit? Like, are there people that are born that are just fucking
tweakers? It's mental health. And so I mentioned to MC Hall who was in prison for many years, it said in some of the hottest prisons in Australia, I said, I, you know, it's for they're trying to reform you and he laughed at that point. Like, they're not they they're locking people up, they don't want to, maybe there's a small case of people coming out really reformed and more educated than when that went in more empathetic and more like whatever. But I think there is the other side where it's like, they're locked up your caging you caging humans. Yeah. And this is without looking at what they've done because there's many that fucking deserve to be locked away and there's not much coming back. For a lot of them, but
it's a look at their life experience and how fucked up things that they may have experienced. And then,
yeah, I mean, this
world cyclical, probably world's toughest prisons is a version of looking at what the system looks like in different countries. And so South America, this one, there was it's a full hierarchy, like, there is a market stall within the prison where people are running businesses. And this one guy was running a business that was making more money on the inside than what he was making on the outside as a drug dealer. And so he lost his house. And now he was the kingpin in this space without being like a when you say kingpin is not like some killer, he was just like a guy that ran his area and literally become a business person and had bought a house since being in there for his family on the outside like, it's it's fascinating. It's worth watching because then you jump over to Germany. It's a different thing. And he jumped over to Asia and it's like, fuck me.
And if you see some of the things that's like, oh man, so entrepreneurial if they could just move it to something that wasn't illegal, they would actually do really well.
Right. I knew a lot of drug dealers when I was young. Could be like for what they were selling. They were good operators good product. Yeah, you know, you know, it's supply and demand. I tell you, bro,
can you? Can you wait the Big Mac?
I've Yeah, I've already been eating it. I've already gone through it. Yeah, it's good.
It's great. Man, Mike Big Mac bite. Yeah. Huh.
Tastes like a Big Mac. It's good.
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