#135 – Banter with a delay/
- July 23, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Monday July 23 (Ep 135) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett
Josh is on an Island in Italy called Ischia. The internet provides an extra challenge with long latency making the conversation harder than usual! Tommy thinks he accidentally sent a voice message to a client, which one of us is Kochie and which one of us is Sam Mac, Word of the Day and Josh has a crack at one of his old employers.
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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy to daily Talk Show Episode 135 and I am live from the island of East east. I think it is it easy easily. Tommy, Jacqueline Hawaii.
Yeah, I'm coming to you from Collingwood. I just quickly tell you about the sign that's going up in the cafe downstairs from a studio here in Collingwood. It's freezing at the moment. So I almost wanted to start this with a bit of small talk around the weather. But Tom from the cafe downstairs from the office has got like a sandwich bag and he's got a texter and he's got it pinned up on the wall and it says small talk and then he started marking the amount of people that have said small talk around weather so sorry, it says whether small talk and then he started keeping score. It's up till about eight people from this morning. Just having a small talk with him about how cold it is. I feel like it's not small. What small talk when you consider how cold it probably is it is it freezing in Melbourne on this Monday. Yeah if we are to enter in the realm of small talk I'll happily it's absolutely freezing and in here was windy in a bit wet and rainy on the way to work this morning. So
everyone seems to be sick there. I know everyone's got runny noses so it's it's horrible but I'm feeling better Josh I'm feeling shy much better that's good. Bree was asking about that and I I didn't think to ask when I spoke to over the weekend preset I was Tommy feeling better and I was like actually i don't know i think he was you're sounding better Did you was it literally a one day sickness that you I guess it was longer than one It felt like one day from it is a fucking mouth you can hear me coughing on podcasts from literally a month ago and I only kind of just left that's why I got I felt also down just on the fact that I hadn't been able to kick it and then I went to the doctor and he just said look unifier. It's just viral. It's going around people that just passing it around at work. And then the next day I started feeling better going viral.
You decides it's not the first time I've gone viral and tell me the whole bad guy but he did recognize me Actually, I've been noticing Did he really I didn't I hope I hope you did. It didn't recognize I thought he may he may have recognized the fact that he's your family doctor or something people might notice that there is a severe delight This is one of the challenges of being on an island is even if I get like a connection up and down that's our Chi The one thing that I can't help is it going through the fucking pious and just before so if we sound awkward at all yeah just before we were speaking about the potential of this show not going on later this week because just a heads up Josh has eight gigabytes of data left and he's on an island which my data on my end because I've been doing this off my phone internet sometimes it's been chewing it up being time so you've got physical and yeah if
we're not if we're not on later in the week, it's because the island has been the death of the show.
And it will also because the because of irresponsible usage for me like I worked out that I turned my phone on and I was looking around this morning and I'd say that had downloaded a bunch of podcasts accidentally on 4g so if if the show doesn't go to where we can actually blame the thinker girls because I use my last bit of data downloading Stacy June's wedding announcement podcast, congratulations dicey, by the way. Congrats.
That's very very nice. Very very nice. Congratulations on the daily talk show just how we live chances are She's not even listening. So the joke's on us. And few shout out well look very, very, very high fee shout outs Josh we've had some a mouse Danny the train driver legend
he sent through he's basically said that he he sorry Josh. He cares about where you are.
He cares more about the people that you meeting then actually the location which was pretty funny. That was from one of the other episodes. But there's also another question there, Danny, which I think I will answer at some point because I really like it. But a needy move on to another shout out Harry, who's listening in the UK. Thanks, bro. Appreciate the love. Interesting thing from Danny, that he pointed at ease that you can't use tech to devices while you're driving the train, which includes listening to podcasts. So he actually listens on his way to work. Yeah, using
pocket casts and cap lie. So I'm taking out about I thought that was an interesting fact. Well,
you know, who's not listening to that. That works, you know, in cars, or in transport for the job is police officers. You always see them. I've seen haptic cops on a mobile phone while driving. You can't do that. take the piss. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah, I've seen that too. Just to paint a picture of where I am. I am next to a spa. So people might be able to hear little sort of sounds of water or, or things like that. But the other thing too, we're talking about this off air. I think the way that the difference between the shows versus the other shows is with this horrendous to lie, it's it's sort of reminds me of, I'm sure what Sam Mac has to deal with being the weatherman trying to do banter with Kashi. It's very hard to do strong, funny band.
It's a two second delay, so I think there's going to be more monologues. Yeah, and they're potentially might be moments of overlapping, and I just need to clear up who is Kashi and who is Sam Mac out of you, and and i you'll definitely Kashi on my behalf. You know it's so funny that I even bring up Kashi because one of my favorite bits of gear to do when I'm away is if I see anyone who looks like an Australian celebrity a point out to brace I saw a guy bold you know glasses in a suit you need to lay it up right it's cushy cushy and she she knows now that nine times out of 10. If I say that there's some form of Australian celebrity it's probably a really horrendous look alike based on some sort of
weed visual. I had something Josh happened earlier today I shat myself and I think it's a trap. It doesn't fit into your segment of life traps. Actually. Maybe does. Can I can I just hijack your life trap sigma
life trap BB life trap
trap Baby Alive chopped up that's where it's. It's very hard to do both local parts
life travel. I don't know if you shut your parents. Maybe you are the Kashi I feel like Kashi would be more likely to shoot his pants. Then Sam at
there was no pants that got shot in. It was figuratively speaking. I
had my ah so I had I thought you'd actually shot yourself. No,
no, no, no, it's I mean I've done that many times. And there's lots of good stories around me shooting myself I can actually just quickly my brother my first question was like, do you have a spare pair of undies? That was gonna be my first question but
Mecca one so I
am saying my brother my brothers man
famously known for shooting his parents and then wriggling he's leg like say khaki leg up and sort of start shaking a leg for the nugget to come out the side of these pants. What do you mean famously? Oh well it's a it's a famous story with one
is boys Banta Josh you wouldn't realize you wouldn't know that. That's what we're going to call this episode banter with delay, I think is fun. It's a good I think it's a good exercise. Especially someone who I feel like I'm a little bit on the spectrum. This is next level sort of awareness. Being able to have a conversation with someone, whilst the you don't get the satisfaction of any sort of laughter or, or being able to, like, we're not we're not even doing video.
Now. We're at rock bottom lo fi. But what why just shot yourself. So we use our message and I you do if you have a Samsung these stories are relevant to you. But there might be some something similar. So we're talking about the other day how people are starting to use just like voice messages. And you can do this within the I message. So you can just, you know, message on your Apple device. And there's like a, you know, where you type in the message. There's a little microphone if you just hold that down it just record what's going on. And then, you know, it just makes this a little noise. I might do it. See if it works. Now I might so you can just start recording and then it sends off this little noise
anyway, I had a I had a client message or I noticed one of the things I was just gonna say this doesn't work me interjecting This will be the last time I interject. But what I was gonna say is, I think you can also put the phone up to your ear, maybe in I message and an activated Yes, because there's a sense of shame. Well, anyway, so once you've sent one to actually respond, it says, hold, hold, find a year or raise phone. And so you can literally rise it talk and then bring it down and go to the loo, send it off. But here's the thing, they disappear. So once the person on the other end is listen to it, it says that it will disappear in like two minutes so you can actually see it again. And so there's this you know, thought around have I actually sent the message and have they received it and I just got off the phone with a client I had to message open and I all of a sudden was holding my phone in my hand talking to some boys and I said something I'm not even a repeat it. It was something just so stupid that I'd say something around landing work. It was around like, I got them I got them guys and something like that. And I mean totally like wasn't me slamming slamming them or anything they're great client but I said something to silly around mates. And then my phone goes the loop and I looked down and my phone was open on this clients. Nine and so I was shooting myself figuratively. Josh didn't shake one out the leg of my ad Jane's. But I couldn't work out for life events. Then if I'd actually sent it off if they overheard and I don't know how much they'd heard or if they'd even heard anything. And if it's interesting because it was gone. And so I was waiting I had like, they're like, yeah, we'll get back to you in an hour about this job. You know, it's like a job that has a quick turnaround and we'll let you know if we were gonna go ahead of the fuck
I've heard this thing of me being stupid factor
around my mates and.
and safe to actually actually I actually don't know they might have might have got it and might have not giving a fuck but I got the job. And it's a it's a it's a win for the world coming through bad. Haha,
I was very careful. It's a good lesson. These instant messaging voice messages. dangerous. Very, very dangerous.
Yeah. Well, I mean, even it mean if Donald Trump has taught us anything, it's that you can talk to anyone nowadays with that being recorded. You know, he's, he's a lawyer was secretly recording him in that have you? Have you ever?
Yeah, I wonder about the secret recording stuff. I do think sometimes like with some of the dodgy hotels I've been in in my life. I feel like surely I've been filmed nude once in a while. Yeah, like Surely if you if you can apply the roulette game that is one star hotels you need to expect that that's the transaction they giving you a cheap room with the possibility that they're filming in naked and I can tell you they're going to be pretty pretty disappointed. What is it
what is it is it voyeuristic? I think that's the term when you live watching people while they're node i mean otherwise known as you just a big fucking Korea. But there was a there's a show on Netflix called me with called voyeurism or voyeuristic and it's a documentary series about a guy who was quite wealthy. And he bought a roadside motel. And he built this elaborate system in the roof where he could roll around like what I pictured was him on a skateboard or something similar, like, you know, the things that you slide on the cars as a mechanic and you can roll any direction he set up this hotel with the roof cavity with these elaborate systems for him to cruise around and look down into hotel rooms. That's
so creepy. It's also Craig because it's it's an extra level which is is not even using cameras. He's He's there. He's present. And he's like you would you think that you would hear now I'm going to be listening out two wheels just rolling along the the ceiling. If I hear that, oh, I'll give the roof a bit of a town. It's but yeah, it's I actually I had a friend I had a friend in Mexico. She was in Mexico, and she said how she was having a shower instead of a I'm trying to think Calacanis is kind of care say maybe that's in Spain, I forgotten forgotten the name it just it's just off can CO in this place where she was. Anyway, she was having a shower and she just saw this camera pop up on the top of the shower.
And then she yelled out and then got out of chat and there was a guy that basically had
filmed or in the shower but he was like on like, she found him and
yeah, she couldn't find like she couldn't really do anything about but what a fucked up and sort of situation to be an absolute fact crepe.
change of pace word of the day. All right, just want to give a heads up last time you had only thought about it you only thought about the Word of the Day literally three seconds before you did it. Is there a difference in today's segment? Or is that the consistent and that will get i'm not i'm not fast day though. I I challenged my Kindle because last time I was getting warnings of battery so I've chance you can do and I've gone to the vocabulary builder. So I'm ready. I'm ready to go. And I've already selected my word. And I've made sure that I can say correctly have actually chosen a word that's easy to say you ready for for the word? All right guy for it? OK, so the word is, spinster,
do you know what a spinster is? I think it would be within the realm of jokester a spinster would be something someone who
is, you know, like elaborately lying, or like a tomfoolery involved, okay? So this it comes from, I read it in the book, all the noise, of it, living in a Tuscan Hilltown and the sentences Teresa was a spinster and had no children. So that was the that was the sentence did you want to stick with your description of what you believe a spinster to bang?
Yeah, okay, here we go. It's a n, sorry, an unmarried woman, typically an older woman beyond the usual age for marriage. There you go.
So you're completely wrong. It's a polite, polite way of pointing out all the woman hasn't managed to find a partner and settle down. Yeah, but
I think that it's pretty I mean, this, this show, this shows you the this is old school,
18th century sort of sort of thing. I think we don't our food use that nowadays don't know if we would be calling older ladies. A spinsters who aren't married if
you're worried about me doing a impression of a language that you can't even identify I wouldn't be you wouldn't be same dead using spinster on a woman yeah
yeah I don't think it's a it's a good look. But I feel like I've been a little bit more controversial lightly not in the sense that in the inappropriate racist or sexist or anything like that but in my willingness to to have a crack and where's this come from a again a bit of chutzpah from the Italian I don't know like I think that there's probably one thing that I've been doing is I downloaded a few of the comedians in cars getting coffee Jerry Seinfeld has of very
sort of he blogs I attitude towards everything he doesn't give a fuck and I guess partly is because he's worth like $600 million white hundred million dollars or something so that would be a part of it and he does make me cringe massively because on two episodes that I've watched his mentioned like made a joke about being guy like he was talking to Alec Baldwin he's like oh geez, you get Alec. He gave me gave it sometimes just like what do we it's like, I know Seinfeld was from like, the 90s. But did you get stuck there? What's going on? There's been a few times where it's just like I said, something's a big guy. Or this is a big guy isn't it says I couldn't believe it. Anyway. No, I've I've done the taboo thing of having a go at one of my old employer did say this. And I
really, really appreciate it.
Well, what do you think what i was i was torn to the context basically on the radio radio today, which we've described as an industry circle jerk which will happily partaken by being featured with our podcast, the daily talk show they did, and an article about podcast, one in Australia, which I don't know the ins and outs, which is obviously always risky when you commenting on something. But basically SCI my old employer from seven years back or whatever it was six years back, they have bought in to the rights to podcast, one in Australia. And they would getting excited because they were saying how that finally opened up the Yeah. That released a feature that done kreischer integration with the partner podcast one in the US so now, the Australian podcast would be be seen by more Americans or, you know, it would basically get a US audience and I just thought I just call bullshit on it. Because I think partly because I've been I was within the business when they were doing products like song goal, which I've talked about on a previous episode, which was like, the competitor competitor for Spotify. But yeah, what was your What was your take on what I wrote? Did I was it was I okay, Was I too sarcastic? Should I have not put mine that should have been the anonymous guy? Is it risky that I put my my name, I'll go backwards, you should have definitely put your name on it. I think it is. I think it's good. I read the article to Amy. And then I read her the feedback from it. And her without even getting into the details of what the article was about. She was like, I don't even use pod. I didn't even create a podcast myself or work in the industry. But from what they said there, it sounded like irrelevant, you can already access most podcasts around the
world. So one of the things was is like us listeners will now have access to popular or the podcast including Hamish and Andy Mark Howard's and a bunch of other people but it's like isn't the podcast platform one that can be accessed from all around the world.
I mean, this is this is the thing and this is what they tried to do with song goal which is an I get it right they've got these legacy products like their whole thing is like how are we going to monetize this stuff these things that we do so what they do is they say okay, well we need to we need to have control over and this mindset and mentality is the same reason why when I try and fucking buy a book on Kindle half the time the Kindle book isn't available in Australia It is such an old school mentality and so my point was that it's just like guys this is the fact that internet by you with I just it pisses me off hearing after 14 years podcasting that for one they're finally interested and to that they have the audacity to celebrate something as as fucking obvious. Yeah, or as sort of default as as access.
I mean, this is big media red tape, it's taking them 14 years to actually have this deal come through,
man. I didn't know. So anyway, it will be interesting because I I did when I press the button. I did think about what it's like, okay, there are friends that I have Christian how high Amish like all these people who have connections with this company. So I understand that there is a level of risk but the thing is like I just I think that it needs maybe I thought maybe through this comment it would actually spark other people having a conversation some being like actually it's not it's not acceptable that we're celebrating that we are now we are podcasts have gone global, because
it's like, it's you know, as, as we've mentioned, we've got listeners in Afghanistan who have have haven't written to us yet, but that's interesting. What would you I've always put talking badly about your employer or negatively about your employer is in the do not do not start or, you know, do not sort of entertain the idea what's your, your vibe on having a crack? I think
there's, it's like when you quit a job, you have made the decision that you're not going to work for them in that position again, and potentially never again. And I think that there's something liberating in Yeah, that feeling. And I could imagine it's the same not saying that's why you did it. But I think definitely you, you think, Okay, well, we are out on our own doing our own content. And we're playing in the field and have a grasp on what's happening and no longer at the big media outlets. The only shot callers in this space because the person who starts their own little podcast and grows it to Empire has just as much power Joe Rogan's podcast is more powerful than all of the radio stations combined the moment like he literally Yeah, literally has more reach than most of the major networks put together over a month. And he has data and that can Yeah, legitimately speak speak to that. Yeah.
And I think that there's, it's, it's definitely, I think, I feel comfortable in the fact too, that when I first when I first left, I had all these feelings. When I was in the business, I had these feelings, I spoke about them when I was in the business. But when you leave a business, there's a sense of, Okay, well, it's a bit of sour grapes, or whatever. But I think the great thing is, time has passed, and I haven't noticed podcast one have been pushing for, you know, send us your ID, like, you know, you sort of setting themselves up as, like, you know, pictures, your ideas, and it might, you know, you might be able to get a podcast, and I just, I just can't work out what it is that like the people who was seeking that the people who were like, waiting to be picked by podcast one, I think that it's, I think it's alien formed, I think that if you're not willing to just go to a podcast host and do it independently. I I just yeah, I get I get quite frustrated. I
think, I think there is a business model that's nice in having a bunch of people
convinced that that's the direction they need to go in. Like, I remember being in radio, they had the, the radio pipeline, which was a thing, it was like, you know, being in it, I think there was a bit of a talent pipeline talent pipeline, there was a bit of false hope given to a bunch of people that have never made it because I've been in the time now, where those people that are speaking to, and all the people that are getting their hopes up about potential progression, it never happened. And you end your midst, I've heard bits and pieces from the people who have been being in those roles, saying all this stuff, where they have to sell a dream to then being on the other side of that out of the industry is such working for these big companies where they are a bit more realistic about it. So you kind of get this sensor is like, the power is not there. And they were just doing that, because they had to, and I think the, the landscape has changed so much. So it's, it's fascinating,
the thing that the radio stations or radio networks had was and they still do have is they have their radio licence. So they've got you know, they've, they've licensed frequencies and and they're expensive. And the average punter can't get that. And so there's a bunch of talent to obviously, they want to work for these companies. Because if you want access to this thing, you have to, you know, it's the equivalent it's almost the equivalent of taxi licenses, right? It's really expensive to, to own a taxi, and to do all that sort of thing. And podcasting is like Uber, and right now, it's the equivalent of the taxi industry now saying, we have an app and And in talking is from some level of authority, which I guess when you've been watching it from the sideline for so long, and you've seen their approach to these things, and you've seen the lack or, you know, lack of interest in innovation, we're taking it seriously it's hard to actually to say it anything more than just like a last last it just tempt is who to stay relevant yet,
well, this the scale of the business can stifle the creativity inside and the innovation within it, which sounds like it should be the opposite way. The bigger you are, the more innovation you can have. Because the bigger the more resources but it doesn't necessarily the work work like that. And that I mean, that's what you and I doing with our new business? Yeah, well,
I think that it's the equivalent of, they've built a ship that really good in the ocean. And then all of a sudden, podcasting is this really small river and it's become really trending, everyone's talking about it. And now these big ship is like, Oh, no, no, no, no, we do too, is on the river too. And they just going down the river and just slamming the banks. And they're just like, they creating havoc, and if and, and they don't even fucking fit down the river, but they'd like to term and as Hey, guys, like where we are, we are the biggest river to a provider in the world world. It's like guys, you fucking the river. Just like settle the fact that like, if you're going to do the river cruise, don't use your big fucking boat, get some, let's get some but start small. Let's and so that's what I think is is missing in a lot of these cases. It's sort of they're taking that mindset of what they were and applying it to this new thing you think I need if it's in jet skis and Enough Enough enough, I know that
100% just quickly to finish off Melbourne is finally getting a train line to the airport. How long until we we actually can start using it like 2030 or something ridiculous.
This is this is my point 2022 is when it even starts construction. So by the time you and I yeah, around NASCAR retired, there will be yet visitors. So they expect 68 million visitors a year by 2038,
it will cost $8 billion and there'll be halfway through getting the the train done. Now I reckon obesity costs 2030 before it's actually finished. If I've learned anything from these types of promises, you know, based on the NBA is I'm just I'm not going to get excited until its here because otherwise you would just be I'm I'm definitely not sort of he marking the date and saying up, you know, on my trip to Fiji in
will will take the train rather than using a private car, I think for the moment. Okay. To the original plans
now. Yeah, exactly. I can't even like I'm reading this article. And it's like, there's I don't think they have outlined the exact date of
population. It's because they can't, they can't commit because it could take five years more than it needs to be. Let's get it we will be so expensive to buy. They know 38 bucks to get to the airport on why why would I struggle with this sort of stuff? Yeah, this is this is why I struggle with is because like I do, I do, like people doing shit and actually getting things done. And it's almost like a damned if I do damned if they didn't, there's probably something it should have happened 20 years ago. Or, you know, 10 years ago. And and so that's even how I feel about the sci fi stuff. They've got to do something. So the train and creating the train is probably better than not creating the train. But it's hard not to be a bit disenfranchised by the whole thing and feeling like like, what is this actually what's this actually going to mean? This isn't going to Main $5 troops or $10 trips to the airport. It's gonna be Yeah, as you said 38 bucks or whatever. And it's gonna be a long long way away. I'm just a quick shout out again be Cole who was on last episode had some great feedback on people loving his story. Amazing, amazing story if you haven't listened to it. Oh, last episode 134. Nicole. Nicole. super interesting all about heroin addiction. Being in prison. And this Friday. We have cycling Maven, super interesting chat that will be happening on Friday. Until then I'll try and think of another solution for this lag because it is slightly annoying. I think it might just require longer monologues from each of us and maybe some sort of safe word when we're done. Maybe we just say over every single time we finish the sentence like were some sort of CB radio Tokyo Okeechobee. It's it's a daily talk show everyone. Thanks for listening. Hi. The Daily talk show is the email address and if you have listened this far, you are probably a hashtag superfan and we appreciate your podcast reviews through iTunes through the apple podcast app. Hope you have a great Monday and we'll say tomorrow. Bye.
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