#280 – Schools and Prison/
- February 11, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
The official start of the week
Real world maths
Giving more compliments
Internet in prison
Punishments at school
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 280.
Monday to stats of the week. Oh, yeah.
Very good. Yeah. You were having a go at me a few weeks ago about which
one Oh, hi. This many times. I'm having a girl. Yeah.
In regards to what the official day first day of the week is? Yeah,
I'm having to clear this out right now. I don't know what world you're fucking living in. But Monday, the start of the
week, bro. Well, we're talking about the gym, going three days a week. And I'd said to you, I even if I go on Saturday,
yes. It would only
make it. Two days I'd been he said, Well, you still got Sunday. Yeah,
exactly. Now the day
Sunday is a new week.
No, it's not.
No, there's nothing nowhere else we can really go with that. I didn't
know what problem is what school you into, at in the suburbs, where they just never ending fake news. It's
Sunday. Sunday is actually the start like your method of Monday is the start of the week. Yeah. to Sunday is sort of little bit. immature.
You're also running on the Israeli financial system of doing your tax return at Gen one, is it really the financial year. So they do the financial year is Gen one to December 31. And so you doing that too, bro? Because my wife starts on Monday, like everyone else's here. You can say that you like on the restart. I sort of get a jig. But it doesn't, bro.
But I think that if you look at a calendar, I have a feeling that it would be Sunday. This
is the first day.
What does that matter? It doesn't mean like I know you mean, but when you run a week, it's like Monday to Sunday is seven days.
Mr. 97. This is actually this actually makes a lot of sense to get you in what what what do you think of literally just googled it? Yeah, according to the international standard ISO Monday is the first day of the week. Wow,
that feels good. The International
feels good. I saw I saw what is it?
601. It's like international international certification. By I'm happy that boys every for women on a Monday.
Night seven. What did you actually Google to get that? Because if you did the whole official start of the week. Okay.
All right. Well, I find like, what's the official start of the week? Yeah. Could I say that? Yeah.
You back on back on board with everyone else? To be clear. Like, Who told you that? Who
told you that propaganda? The thing
is that in this moment, I want to bring you down. You asked me how to spell friend the other day. Yeah.
Because when I was writing it fair, this is a fair, you know, when you when you write a word and you like, fact that doesn't look what it was like when I wrote quote on the board. And we were like, that's not how you spell it. And we're looking at
as we try and do, we're trying to work at you know, getting all the business structure work
out how we can
according spend 40 minutes made to be
to be fair, I was writing in a whiteboard and
writing on the wife always looking for the little wheel and Nathan.
You were typing because remember, I think what through us was you had caps lock on? Yes, it was all capitals. Yeah. And then
Anyway, when I was writing friend on the whiteboard,
I remembered how to spell phrase realization
guys looking for some friends.
Put it out there. Yeah, the secret. Yeah. I actually knew how to spell friend. That was one of the few words when I was younger. Yeah.
Because I mean, they teach you hippopotamus. They give you a song for that. I don't know. Which I double p o p o t Im us. The bottom us. Yeah. Something like that. Anyway, yeah, but there was a song. Hey, it was you remember that mister 97. Now he was he's from a cooler generation with his cooler shit going on. Rather than trying to learn hippopotamus
cyberbullying when Hagar
to worry about that, the know fry your friend to the end, which has some house because fry is spelled f ar y. But that was how how I would remember how to spell friend for a friend to the end like that. Yeah,
any, any sort of favorite skills when you're a kid?
Not as a kid.
Six times tables were really strong for me.
I mean, this is any of that equity mother
you sixes and I 6636. That was that's Brett. Like, I know my times that was in those always the kids that were just fucking spoken that they knew. And I know, one to 12 like, Well, fuck you. You know anything? What does it really matter? Yeah, this is about how much anxiety was there around that shit. Like for kids? It's like, yeah, I guess it's maybe it's like, cool to know this stuff. Yeah, but it's not really. Like, I reckon I learned more in terms of me because I was just applying myself more post school. So yeah, post school. Like when I was working a campaign, counting money, wreck. And when I started to really go, I was connecting the dots from what I learned in school. But then I'm just like doing doing the close up of the teal. It felt really good. And then once I started to learn at all,
well, I brain I had an argument on Saturday, because I felt that she was
acting dumb when she's not dumb. So I'll give you an example. We were looking we found this rental place. It's awesome. It's way cheaper than what we thought we spoke to the lady downstairs who's like the property manager, or she was like on behalf of the property manager. And we said we really love and she said point I'd recommend is putting in a slightly higher offer. Which seems crazy for rental places doing offers leaving It's crazy.
It's pretty it's pretty common, especially in like the high demand areas bond. I people always like Jackie 20 bucks
extra weight. So we did $10 extra awake. And so break up the fact that calculator out to work out $10 a week how much that is in a year.
520 just like wow,
five, how did you work it out so quickly?
I said it's times 10 you add the zero at the end. And so I was just like, what
if it was 12? I'd be a bit rattle 10
even five is easy. Yeah, don't you think? Yeah, because it's half of 10. Anyway, what I got upset with was because she's like, No, I'm just not good at math. So I'm like, No, that's just it feels at that point like you just not thinking
yeah, I mean that one you're pretty safe. It's a an even number. percentages. I'm kind of an extra zero on like I couldn't remember any like algebra what
actually got what did you just not swear and say fun but
like saying five? Now one fudge buddies. That was their active effort
there to swear less? Yeah,
I swear quite a bit, you know, just lower down a bit. We're talking about how people dumb maybe I'll come across less dumb if I if I say fudge.
The algebra was actually the best. The best math score I ever got was in algebra. I couldn't tell you what it is algebra. It's like,
it's give me give me a use case of algebra in your adult life.
Like when in a moment, have you needed that? So
if it's like x times y equals Yeah.
So x, I mean, you don't have to give me one.
Because if there's not one, they proved your point. I think you're actually no I think it's probably like abstract
sort of stuff. Yeah,
I'd be well, there's a lot of lot of dumb stuff being taught
Bry told me that I couldn't when I said that. She said, Well, you can't spell. I didn't realize it was a tit for tat sort of thing.
Well, it is because you just did it. A moment ago when I when I celebrated my winning then you said well, if Yeah. If you're talking about that. You can't You can't bloody spell friend.
Well, I actually did she get you there? What was the one she got you if he could do anything, but my point was, I might Yeah, but they're difficult words. You could
have I would be
okay with her having a golf. It's like, easy word that I get wrong. And my point was the 10s. Top 10 times table. Yes. You should be able to do to to infinity.
Of course. 1000 times 10 10,000. Yeah.
Okay, 1400 400,000,
right. Alright, 400 times 10. I'm, look, here's the thing. We need it, we need to lift our compliments gay. Alright, so these are all criticism, right? If you're sort of pointing out someone's fuck up. 100% increases. And I'm not saying for you, right. You do it all the time with me, but it's fine. But I was thinking, Mason, Mr. 97 gave me a compliment the other day? The answer is 4000. By the way,
at zero, you just add a zero at the end. I couldn't say it wasn't written. Can we just see just quickly before the compliment? Yes.
600 times 10 6000. Thank you. All right.
It's very easy, everyone. Yeah,
one times 10. One times 10 is
you know that someone's panicking when they're saying retailing?
Well, because I'm trying. I'm not a math guy. So I'm saying are you saying it to see what what you're saying?
But because it was a constant tactic I used to use during the time. I was the first white kid in my class to be number one in times table. Really? Yeah. Which is big because the specifically my Asian and Indian friends, their parents would get them working so hard, really, they would do? What was that? What was the school cold outside of school? Come on, come on.
Come on, in New York as well. I saw them with it. Mr. 97 gave me a compliment. Oh, thinking? I hadn't thought. I think it's probably a good thing if you started to try and implement a compliment a day for somebody else between Eli and I haven't. I mean, I've criticized you your Neck Beard today.
So I wasn't off to a guest actually what I was gonna say. But can we talk about how the Neck Beard came about? I said to Tommy, Mike, you're looking sharp up. It looks great.
I didn't I didn't Tommy's responses. Yeah.
It's annoying, though. Because now yours is going to look shit next to mind.
You're talking about compliments. And that's how its framed. Can you understand? I actually had written it down. You know, like that was in the Asana to talk about today. I fact that would be the bees comp. Because he's comp.
something you've never been involved in.
I know. So but I just thought that it was a little bit rich, for compliment. I mean,
you've you're off to a good run. I'm saying I think I sent me I should probably do more of it's like a compliment. What now? I don't know you but I'll think about one that Mr. 97 was really lovely is to you.
Are you using this opportunity? You don't have one from hang on?
Not yet. I haven't you
don't have one for me. But you've got one that Mr. 97 gave to you. I've got a compliment and you want to repeat. I've got a compliment. Okay, here we go.
It's really impressive that you've prepped a whole bunch of food today, man. That's great. That's really great.
It's good to have you that it was all right. But also when I was having, trying to be good and eating more sort of snacks and protein. Yeah.
I started getting the egg.
And the first thing you said is, it
couldn't be a better time to have an A what?
Well, we were about to start the show. It's a it was like just about to hit 930 when we
actually 34 I think when it's go time,
so we're already running late them and you decided to open an egg but I was impressed because the egg he's another compliment. Night. I saw him how you handle that egg. You handled it with grace and you got that thing out of it shell very quickly. It doesn't
actually it doesn't bother me showing eggs.
Well, you haven't showed me show the bad egg. No, then. Have you shelved the bag? Yeah.
I never knew what shelving. Midnight seven on the mic for a sec. Gina?
Well, we're at what what Josh is about to do is ask a 19 year old kid who does tax returns with these mates and fucking to if I didn't have out in the
club. So when I was 23 I was working on the faith Angel show and Jules made a joke about someone said something about shelving and he had a big laugh. And I had no idea what was laughing at you know what? shelving it so shelving is putting
on even a little Christian boy
is putting things in your ass like drugs. So you show you put an Is it a way of making it?
Get your camera something? Oh, yeah, it can it can get it. I think the purpose is that it gets into your bloodstream quicker.
So shelving. Yeah, so there you go. Yeah,
I actually had some surgery and then they told me that they'd put something up my bomb.
well, they put like both the same release medication. So I have I think I had my elbow my, my wrist cracked back in because it was like, bent, fell off my skateboard. And I didn't it didn't break my arm. It bowed. My arm is like young kids. their bones are still sort of malleable. And so it bent and but I just remember waking up at night. I think they said something like, Yeah, you've had some painkillers. Yeah. Anyway, when Amy was had given birth, they just shaft after the after the birth. And even tell you just put put a little something on it.
Not it because I've had an epidural before I had two herniated discs. I worry about all these things. We mentioned that it's going to be very hard for me to get health coverage and stuff in the future. Do you think this is gonna be transcribed and they'll be like, that's
interesting. That is a thought. People who have podcast we could take everything and you could put it into a system and and just run it for keywords and come back with like, yep, this guy has not got much time to live the Genius Bar. I'm going to return a
MacBook Pro and trying to get fixed. Like, look, we just ran through some transcripts yet it turns out that you actually dropped your laptop. Yeah, we Yeah, that is that is full. Oh, you just talk it up. So it wasn't about compliments. What was the thing that you were just talking about? Before I interrupted it was something interesting. Was it.
Okay, remember, you know what's awkward though? When you say I had something really interesting. I want to tell you and you work out that it's really self absorbed.
Was that was that the compliment? That may something given me Yeah, what was the guy just said he just gave me a nice compliment about my hair. He's like, Oh, yeah, that you're here because I'm growing my hair. And he's like you that really suits you. I didn't have a head on. So I had it sort of pull back and he's imma try, man that really suits and the beat is really grind. I was thought to nothing. I just thought about it over the weekend. I was nice God. And I was thinking like, more compliments as much like I think we we fall into the trap of giving each other constantly
we're just like the like brothers. Yeah, you're always this my nice little little fat. Can you bring me my book? I would
say that one thing to the 20. what's what's my segment called?
20 pages in? Yeah, well, I just wanted just to quote something about brothers which made me think of like, yeah, my relationships with my brothers, but also
you and I,
I see you more than my own
brother, and vice versa. And so this is this was this resonated with me resonated
with you know, we spend more time probably we spend more waking hours with each other than we do our girlfriends.
Dr. girlfriends and wives.
You say more time if you girlfriend and your wife
rings actually, me wearing them for awake? heads that feel? I took them off for a purpose.
It was which was
going to the gym and then I just forgot to put them back on. Yeah, but I'm not being saturated. I just haven't gotten good.
You get a tattoo or something? Yeah,
like a finger tattoo. Do that. Anyway, What's this about? Brothers? Tell us brothers fight. Yeah.
So this is this is from the late shift, Letterman Leno and the network battle for the night. This is the reason I love this one is the smell. We've spoken about smell.
It smells very dusty. dusty. Yeah.
So this was something I just had the line. Okay. Brothers fight. And brothers at times want to inflict a punch. That hurts? Definitely. I thought that was good. That's it? Yeah, that was that was the line. I think that's true, though. Hey, I can do another line that's not related.
Sometimes you just want to just Yeah, really hokey like a data I did used to with your brothers do like dead arms. Like, I remember cocaine was a real big thing in my house. I'll wait. Just really get that knuckle primed is at just boom, and get into the arm and just would hurt for
day. I just had no, I had no tactic, this strategy. So what would happen is I would do something. And then my brother Jake would sort of do this sort of crazy thing where he would even it would go slowly. Like, what do you mean? He just sort of, he would look at me like I'm about to fucking kill you. Yeah. And I would scream.
Just run, but I knew that he would catch me. Did you do something to him? Yes, I would do something. And then he would be like, it's time to retaliate. Yeah,
because I wouldn't have inflicted enough enough to really piss him off. But not enough documentary. Yeah. Yeah.
So it's, it's, I could imagine Josh
I went to visit a friend in jail. And I was like, just thinking about and I was sitting there looking around and sayings of all the dudes and it didn't feel scary at that moment. I was like, thinking about what what the mindset would be like to be in jail. And I was thinking,
what a lot of shouting and Joe can imagine that because you could say, because, Mr. 97, you could shelve not only for the feeling, but you could hide things. Yeah. Would that be called shelving? Ian heights? Yeah, sure. is the idea because it's a shelf.
Like it's a I might want to call it a pocket. Just pocket just hiding in your sacred cavity. Yeah. Anyway, I could imagine jail is like, you had all the brothers or just bunch of brothers around. And you're always on edge that they can affect and come and give you a coking. But in this case, it could be a knife, it could be just a lot more brutal. And I just I hated that. I hate that feeling. Like I remember being young being around nights where we would all be sort of punching each other and just just pulling gags and just fucking on each other. And I and it makes you feel like you're on edge. I'm glad that's gone. As an adult.
I feel like I would prefer solitary confinement. You were Yeah, I would fucking thrive. Do you think like an excuse? Well, can you listen to podcast? No, Joe, are you sure?
I've got TV. So the one I went to was like a low low security prison. They had like a DVD player. And I was told that they had porn on DVDs. But I kept on having them confiscated. So there's no access to internet as such in your room by yourself, but maybe like audio tapes or CDs. There's still things they can do. Like I'm going to download. You know Joe Rogan's live is it he couldn't they get his jail for a reason?
You have computers? Yeah,
but they're not they were there would be specific time to be on the computers. Like he catches like thinking about miss it. You just be what's happening always running a running a small startup out of a
think isn't that I think that it's not as like
strict as what I think will totally depends on the jail. The level of security there was one in I we made this when I was living in Sheffield, and there wasn't there was a jail probably 40 minutes from where we lived. And so I was on the radio there. And always there'll be like someone else from the jail. Can't remember what it's called. But someone else's left. What do you mean them Lyft they literally just walk out the front door. So these jails are like, they like housing units. But they they like working farms as well. So you could if you wanted to just walk out not allowed you have to report will be like Hi, it's it's
tell me it's a sci fi mornings. We've got another one on the loose.
There was there was a news reporter that would do the top of hours that would shoulder that With who? No, no, he was on the nighttime show. A friend of mine, he was on the TV show there. But we would always be like, Can you just close the gate already? Like just lock lock the gate seems pretty simple. But then when I went there, because this is the same prison that I ended up visiting my friend to add. I was like, Okay, yeah, it is real. Okay. Is it? Okay, like tax fraud? People are in there, like, low end, people on the back of the sentence reformed after doing 10 years, if they need
1015 years a long time though. Yeah,
well, they get these long stints and then sort of you work through the prison system from like, sites of really bad crime, then you sort of do time then and they move down into another one would that have been a halfway house or no, what's the shrine remember, rehabilitate you into the society so you you're not going from this 24 hours a day or 22 hours a day locked up to now your ass it's like, now you've got more responsibility. You're working on these farms. And so yeah, they're trying to get you back into the system.
I wonder if school excursions ever do prison? They do. to
Pinterest, and I said, what I used to do to the old Melbourne jail,
where my brother he's going to talk a year 11 they had had an excursion excursion to I am Yeah, prison on love that and what was the What did they actually learn? What do you know what happened? Oh, they just spoke to a few inmates that would have been selected. Yeah. Before and then yeah, they just had a chat to them. I don't know about what what did you bring? Say? What was the experience like interesting? He said, Yeah, he didn't. He didn't mind it. But yeah, it's a bit weird. Just being in a prison and talking to inmates is strange. Yeah, I feel like you learned about shelving that day. Yeah, it's now a smuggler for him. Yeah.
What was your favorite excursion as a kid? Did you go anywhere exciting.
We should just go to like, go to vz. Yeah, so we did go to visit VCs, the cardboard or the recycling plant in Melbourne. Australia was cool. Dude, one of the kids he's uncle was it was either whose grandfather was the dude or was like one of the head people at vz and so there was an in there for our primary school to go and and say this plan but i just i have a slight memory of I can't really remember much. I got into like old Melbourne jail was what I loved. I remember going there which is the famous jail in in Melvin's, you can still go there if you come to Melbourne. And that's where I think Ned Kelly was hung. And Hank, sorry. That's where Ned Kelly hung. Would that be correct? If I was to say he hung there for a little bit? Potentially but he was hanged he was having at this at this prison you can see like the the trap door where it's like I think that's the thing you see these these old places over the weekend I had you would love that my dad his friend gave him one and then he bought one on the internet and they're these books of sin kill the suburb that I live in. They're like these thick and look like huge old Bibles smell good. Yeah, they're super all like much much older that these are like, yeah, this is
a joke. But are you
glad to see your rating? Guys right.
enjoying it? So what was the what was the
these books are old photos and sort of the history of St. Kilda the suburb that we lived in? There was only like 100 years ago there was next to nothing in St Kilda. Now, it's like one of the most thriving suburbs in Melbourne. But it's amazing. I was looking through these old photos and seeing like the old pub, the SP village bellies are old like places I've gone to drink and like see where the Duchess of Cambridge sailed into the port.
Isn't that the water? Nice?
This is 170
who's the Duchess of Cambridge now? Isn't that old? My height is it Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, the was amazing just to see the history and then there was something about going to these places like the old Melbourne jail that just gives you this like wow the old the olden days. He said I used to get my dad when when I'd be going to be it was
a nice little touch by the way I like that if you're watching the video Tommy sort of had another story just about a really nice
it actually felt really crazy how I did it just if I just did back of the hand touch I just did that. I don't even know why I did that
you describing it like TSI when they're doing the because I got secondary screening because I went to Pakistan or whatever is on some least
Let's taste I say for the security nine seven and the
traffic security authority that's made that up.
But I'm an old lady
yet but anyway, so they're the people who do security at domestic in the US I check if you're shelving, anything that they do. They basically there was one time I went from secondary screening to third screening. And the difference was what wasn't nice, you know? transport
transport, Transportation Security Administration.
I'm not good at like saying things back when someone says that's
a savings account. Great savings on the marquee that
that's fine. It's just slightly off my the Yeah, so your third year into your into the base. you're checking for shelving. Yeah. So no. So they went from the first one is they sort of pat you down and when they come to your crunch, crunch
crunch, crunch, crunch, crunch crutches, like when you've broken a leg.
krY Ah, thanks for that.
That's right, though, isn't it? ISIS I crotch but it's crotch. Yeah.
Three, dig. And what do they do? So when its second base or secondary screening, this is these units. And so I'm just sort of like, licking the back of my hand. Yeah, like that. But then third Yeah, direct contact and actually, Parma they actually for that that's the only difference but they take you behind the shield. Will you nude?
So they still fully clothed digitally close touching. Yeah. touching it. And so are we going with it?
I don't know. Actually. We're both story. How did that actually?
How did that come about?
90 sevens lost his just thinking of a hand just
did you ever did you ever get expelled or suspended from school? And
I got no I never got expelled. I got definitely got this man. I wasn't allowed to go in school camp, which was basically suspended. And why won't you do it? It was
just like the train incident. You know on talking about it?
No, no, no, it's just me It definitely not proud of it. But I was 11 years old. I thought it was a great idea. To the people that were my friends and I'm still like best friends with one of them today. I pulled her bra strap from behind and pulled it and slapped it onto her back. So I pulled it in. It's a no no. I don't fucking do that ever. don't care how old you are. Yeah,
it was remember the conversation that they had?
Oh, that we're looking for any reason and it was a good
thing a Sex Pistols are pretty good. Right now we're looking for any
11 year old kid with other 11 year old kids you're an 11 year old appropriate further. I think there's a difference between a fucking at all doing that sheet to a bunch of people. A key doesn't know what fucking he's lifting rider can't even spell friend. It's good that they be or today? Yeah,
but it's probably it's good that they like do you think that that changed the course of how you acted? I did you join me?
See this? Here's the thing I was never taught like I didn't.
You could say yes. But I don't know if it if it did. I think I know what's right and wrong. And I knew that I'd been I got in trouble for doing something that was wrong. And so it wasn't like I was like, you know, Oh, I thought you can act this way with everybody is I probably knew is fucking naughty, then. I probably knew it was not okay then. And I'm and I'm pushing the boundaries of the kid. Which but you do that nowadays and you'd be kicked out of the school? I think. Yeah,
man. Yeah, probably. I remember when I was in grade three. And someone had told me about pubic hair. And so I was on the playground. And I said to a girl, have you got people became and I didn't realize but both so this girl had been she'd had some bully bullying her. And the principal said if anyone says anything to come to me straightaway, so she went up to the principal. She went up to principal and said Josh Janssen
asked if I had pubic hair. And so I they basically put me in a lineup. They took me out of class. Yeah, took me into her class. She was in grade four. I was right three. And she pointed me out. Just remember the her teacher just saying how disgusting I was
in front of her. And then
about I mean, yeah, but it was very traumatic, because then I then went into the principal thing. And he's like, when not sure if we need to get the police involved. This is sexual harassment. Like I was in grade three. And I just remember thinking that it was going to be on my file. But ever since then, I was like,
that's negligent of a fucking school. This is my problem. Like, I feel sick hearing that, because I had so much shit like that. Not not in that same vein. But I had moments where teachers would try and use their fucking power to scare the shit out of them. And it's, it's Sarah, I get that right the later get told it's wrong. Or don't let the kid on school camp because he fucking did the wrong thing. And you learn from that and the kids a yet like
young has no idea what Well, I guess the context was I just had no idea what it was like
to go have some fucking MBA for a child to understand like,
well, the whole set, like the whole it was mind blowing, because they were talking about all this sexual harassment thing. I didn't even know what this was.
I'd be curious to know what the consequences these days would be. For those kind of things. And,
you know, to fucking protect the students as well, if you've got a sixth grade three kid, you know,
grade three kid, a fucking child, but you could look at the whole text is not developed. And he doesn't actually know anything about anything. First time. I've said frontal cortex. Yeah, he's literally just like, I look at my son and I go back. I just think about what if it was your daughter? What if you
had a daughter?
No, I'm not talking about text my
me as a kid. But I'm also knowing but what but what is the right way to approach it then? So if you had a daughter, and someone saying I don't think she
I think what I'm getting at here is the shame that they bring into it. I don't think the shame of bringing new in Britain front of it. Like I remember, like, teachers doing things on a public level. Like I think it's a lack of understanding of the power that the teachers have. So it sort of worked, it felt like then, like if I was 11 in that bra
thing happening, I would have known straight away I'd be like fact, this is like, really bad.
But I wasn't doing anything to make up for anything I did. But I also just look at the impact teachers have on kids. And if I was a parent of a girl who had that happen, I'd be furious. And what's what is teachers meant to do? I think writing a note not being allowed to go on school care but not publicly fucking shaming a child. That's my that's my problem with it. And what's a six piston grade three, like a kid that doesn't know what he's saying? And he doesn't understand the consequences of his actions like it maybe maybe it was beneficial for all that shit to happen to me because I get what's right and wrong and I'd never do shit like that. Yeah,
I think it was I think it was good. It was definitely traumatic.
I had this one time that I am so I lived across the road from my primary school line Yeah. Small suburban straight and just used to stand the fence
mean the boys would
you ever get Mac is delivered and I had never kids at school that got that
got Mac is delivered. Yeah.
Especially on their birthdays. It was sick. That's bad. Then you realize the thing is it's not to get older that you realize it's actually like the poor like that's like a common thing. Yeah,
well we used to get mom to bring over some business skits and stuff so should hear us and come out. And this one time. I've got fucking funny biscuits, food sandwiches, whatever skits is funny like with a
tin can you paint the picture of what that look like? I had the
best biscuit tin. And I remember the different types we had these nice be chocolate chips ones that weren't like your flatter that were like higher. Like speaker. Yeah,
that one good. Yeah. They almost had like a at the top. Like it had a specific Cheyenne using a mode. Yeah, I know those one. Yeah,
I'm so she's just bringing up those.
So she would bring the team she would walk I cannot remember she just bring traits. But I don't remember.
I can't remember that. All I remember. Anyway, the story here is that I forgot to get something signed. And the end it was a form to go down to the beach to do something down there with with my classmates. And I just remember,
did the wrong thing ran over ran out across the roads, I left the school premises to go and say mom, and no one saw me do it. Then I came back and I had the form sound. And so I gave the forming on the die. And then the teacher had it in for me. This is a teacher who when conspiracy Jimmy he was the year above and promise go. When I was in grade five, he was in grade six. He's sitting in this classroom, and the teacher looks out the window and I'm riding through the school on a school day because I didn't go to the school at that point. And she points out says
why why didn't you go to the school at that point, I'd left the school to go somewhere else.
Okay, coming back. Anyway, she points out and says, See that boy. That's Tony jacket. He's no good. And, like,
I just think that he's such a fucking weak, weak, weak thing for an adult, like magic. I must have been rattling these adults because no fucking child rattles me. I laugh it off and think
you're like your Simpson.
Hundred percent I was. But I rattled these old people. I just think how fucking fragile these people I feel bad for being a young child.
But did you feel like maybe you were bullying them? Yeah,
but on the fucking child. Yeah,
sure. But how they meant it the main they've got feelings as well. They've got like emotions. Yeah.
And they've got life experience. They've got perspective. They've got what they should
have is you have any kind of emotional intelligence, you have any teachers that really positively impacted hundred percent.
But what are they, the ones that last they were the ones that would just kind and, and understood me more for who I was, who I am and and just nurtured that versus pushed against it based on their insecurity or their personal shit. Like I think it's, it's a reflection of the teacher because they're an adult, if they're treating kids that are misbehaving in this sort of way of bringing them down and said, like, you can tell that there's like the step of sort of going, acknowledging that this challenge is this way it is, and then reacting based on that with no thought of acknowledgement of how this child is. So they're just reacting emotionally to the to the way the kid is doing anyway, in the story is that this teacher, the one that looked out and said that shit about me, she made a point that I wasn't going that day, even though I'd had the form signed. And I couldn't go on the excursion. And what did you do? I can't remember, I think I just, I think I even went home, I think they did send me home or something like that. But the thing is, this is a hard thing. When kids do the wrong thing. They can be like a WeChat for the child. When they are misbehaving.
Do you reckon there's a level of because of all this stuff that's happened? If bodies' naughty at school? Do you think you're going to be a hard parent to deal with to get him to change?
To help him change?
Well, just to be able to not feel triggered and be like?
Well, I think the biggest thing is finding a school that is supportive, like finding their school and I and I know they're out there, there's schools and there's teachers that, that actually support kids like that. Because there are plenty of kids like that. And I know how fucking hard it is. Like, I think about the kids that were similar to me that then fucking went on to kill themselves. It's like, they couldn't survive the time around. And I know one person, for instance, one of my best mates. He was I saw how he was treated at school. And I saw how he was at school. And it fucking was not right. Like, it's like, Are they out of control? And they don't know what to do.
And feeling alienated. Yeah,
it's it's full on took that pretty dark. But it's Yeah, I this is
just teachers have. It is such a privilege in some ways to be the person that is teaching these young kids that are going to be the, you know, the next generation,
but there are also people as well that people who get paid not like you're right. to, to do a lot.
There's no excuse fucking trick is like shit. There's no excuse to just because you don't get a new job. If you if that's why you trade, you've got no like, it's like, if you're in a job that you're just giving it no effort. Because if you had if you had people being a little arseholes, to you? I just can't deal with it. That is the job of a teacher is
that the job of the teacher? is the job of the teacher to be doing all behavioral management stuff versus
them what is the job of a teacher reciting information that they've written a book that is not teaching?
I guess this is the thing right? teaching in a lot of ways is about influencing and how to influence personal trainer, I was one it is not textbook, and it's not just telling you about your fucking biceps, triceps, and you know, it's about your lats as well.
It's definitely it's all about your that there's more to it. There's someone who has a successful personal training business is also a people's person. They, they know how to run life, they know how to connect, they know that the person that's emotionally charged when it comes to, you know, in their lifestyle and exercise you've got needs to be nurtured a different way to the person that's fuckin I would just want to try and as hard and almost vomit every session, but
imagine a classes like a boot camp, you got 25 people with 25 different names. Yeah, there's one person who's really quiet. Yeah, you've got someone who's really loud and out there. You've got someone who doesn't want to do any work. You've got someone who wants to go to uni, someone who doesn't. How do I lack
empathy based on the lack of empathy teachers had for me,
and I get that I get that they like, five and AIDS having 25 different kids.
It is one of the challenges though, like you said, I think about the you think about an old teacher that you had, like an old woman, a man that was short and shitty and shot like they were just doing it they Why? I don't think that's that productive. Yeah,
I think there's something has to change with the system. But you're critical of that what they did with you wasn't productive for you. Do you think that their style did work for some students? Did some students flourish in that environment?
I don't know. All they just got by because they tied the line. So that's a hard thing. toeing the line or, you know, because there is a system in place, I always felt like I was never a good player. I didn't fit into the system of school. Do what they say he's the work to that, you know, and so I always, I think you did, too. We're similar in that way of like, the way it was structured was not probably ideal for who we are. I guess the good thing is nowadays, there are schools that are much more suited for kids that
Steiner schools that were around when always young, more creative schools. But even like some of my best experiences, were at a public school, and I came from private, were you paying this money? What do you think that you get all this sort of, you know, but then you go, like, I had some teachers that were just nurturing, but then it's a human thing, right? So then it's, it's actually about individual, maybe for teachers.
They could be sort of different schooling systems, or different schools that offer you know, specialize in more creative stuff, or specialize in sporting stuff with specialized in academic stuff, that it sort of then caters to the type of person that will go to that school. So the person that goes to a creative school, probably. So yeah, that's what I want. And so teachers that will work there are more likely to be aligned with the child, because I think it's important to make connection. Because if you're all good teachers, I think, have a connection with the student. Because then we'll just if that's not a part of the equation, you just get a robot to do it.
Do you think that there's maybe a lack of opportunity, the to build empathy, if you are, or to be able to have real friction? Like, I wonder, because I definitely don't like didn't, I like to school with the extracurricular stuff? I had great relationships with my teachers, but the academic stuff I didn't really get into.
He said it was the best in class and doing math.
No, it was just what it was that was once that happened, it was blew everyone away.
But the cooling and
but he's there, do you think that that is sort of that cotton booming that we're doing of kids where it's like, you know what,
you know, this, we're going to create a system that works just for you, versus the friction that comes from, you know, what you might not be the type of kid who does well with when time start, like when the school starts. And but when you have commitments as a kid, when you also as an adult, when you're growing up, you're going to have to ride arrive at a certain time. You can't just rock out when you want to. Yeah,
so I think that those critical skills, you know, I think what we're talking about is a structure that best suits the child and the teacher that is best suited to that structure. And star doesn't mean that you take things like responsibility and you know, taught, you know, handing things on time, because I think they all play out if you're with So, if you find someone that is sort of super suited to your style, there will still be friction points. Yeah, there will still be you know, you won't be able to agree on everything. So I think that it will all play out but I'm just saying I think it's like potentially giving the best chance for the student and for the teacher if they're in environments and I know that again, it that it's an occupation, being a teacher, and there's and there's only a handful of schools and the people with their own shit. Yeah,
but I just I just know how I was traded. It was not fucking right. And it whether it may be good person today, I don't know. Maybe it did maybe that but I definitely when it like you love talking about school shit. I'm just like, it's actually I'm fucking glad that I'm further away from school. I love being out of it. Bad love looking back. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't have a good time.
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