#144 – Christian Hull and people-pleasing/

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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket it's the daily talk show everyone special guest Christian whoa hi What's going on?

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It's gonna get real scratchy and annoying for how long do these go for? They go for wailing What do you record them and then absolutely no editing.

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This is zero this

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is probably your podcast filter How great is not having the pressure of having to listen back to this unedited.

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It's more just we couldn't do five days a week if we had to edit that

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we committed to a daily podcast and you can never change because it's called the daily

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the daily talk show pink talks.

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I mean, we could probably make some exceptions

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maybe picking up again. It's great to be on the dailies for

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for people who who are listening for the first time so yeah, Tommy and I we've been doing it for over 100 episodes every single Monday to Friday every single day. And at the moment this is coming out while I'm away so we're doing four episodes standard just Tommy and I every week but while I'm travelling with taking one day off a week where we're putting one of the guests shows on so this guest show his name yeah and it's gonna land a little bit later than we don't this this one isn't the day off

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Have you got your holidays already

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on I haven't really talked about it that much because

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it because you're famous now no no no

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no he going more because it's it's about as interesting as when someone talks about their like sickness

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when people talk about their dreams Yeah, you experience that might not that interesting didn't really happen it's all bullshit.

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This is worthless these

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dreams. illnesses

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know that when I had a say I'm saying to do it now know when I my back. I had two herniated boring and 100% so boring. And he's right but

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not boring Christian. Well, well, people aren't funny boring with this

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going on. That's what I find surprising is because I do a podcast once a week what would you commit to anything more? And it's unedited because lazy and I just sometimes I don't even have a plan I just hit record I'm like what's in the news to drive you don't know what's gonna happen I enjoy it. It's kind of fun and then a memory pops in your head you have a storey about how once I went to a park the six and this happened and that's literally most of my podcast Do you know about dogging?

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No talking because Tommy was talking about a dog which apparently

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talking like cottaging

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colleges, we go to random locations for fornication. Yeah,

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I think that's what Doug

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was talking about a guy that hunts dingoes and Josh old dogging which was will be shorter.

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Yeah. Well, because Tommy was talking about a dog and I thought is a dog or someone who does jogging,

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when you might have been misplaced with docking?

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Which is also very

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jogging and talking a very different over a different

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Europe. You're known as we've already gone. really feeling comfortable, we get

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to find the spot you enjoy. But a smart

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I'm, Yeah, I know. It's the like, lowest form of humour. And it's like, really, it's like really easy to make people laugh with six jokes and smart. So I go straight for the smart. Yeah, because I'm not that smart or intellectual. I can't do comedy. Smart. Smart. Smart.

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Yeah. Do you find that has been the evolution where you at the beginning? Where you would you take the foot off the accelerator when it came came to that sort of thing? Or have you always been comfortable making it You think

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I'm 31 now I was I didn't. I didn't Oh, since doing sort of the podcasts and all the YouTube channel and all of that I've been very comfortable. But prior to that very sort of I wouldn't close off like in a closet. Yeah, sort of saw I would talk about sexuality or anything and that was sort of until I was about 25 and now I'm making up for it by really talking about it so much.

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You're a voice for a lot of people out there I think for you know in terms of talking about the shit

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that people don't think that you should talk about right you get a bit you get off on the idea that it's like I'm gonna say this

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and I didn't get off on it. I get off on a lot of other things. But I I'm just so open and people I know people are so interested because it's not spoken about like I live alone. I love living alone. I don't want to be in a relationship corny all the time Yeah, hello.

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I'm as you see it in my living room on my it's

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really beautiful. It's sorry, like cosy like it's a perfect place to be in winter.

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It's pretty nice. I won't tell you the things that have happened on this couch.

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I live it cleans up well.

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Yeah, I'm lying. I'm lying. You already said earlier about my six dungeon right yeah.

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I walked past I know if it's your bedroom now the spare bedroom that was beautifully kept my bedroom doors closed yeah the doors closed be not have it used to have air b&b. Yes, you've stopped doing that.

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Yeah, it's punish. Why'd you stop? Wait, I was doing it. My wife.

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Yeah. How did you find it?

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Annoying? Yeah, but we made money. Yes. Some little fucking asshole. One of the guests. And I think I know who it was. We have this cheese board that we got for our wedding or you won't stop talking about this book. Well, it's like half marble half water from came out. Yeah.

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It's fine marble. It's what?

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It looks like marble. Yeah. Anyway, we had some guests today and then we'll get the chessboard at some point. pulled it out and a bit fell off and then put it back in and just pushed it together. And it was definitely some of

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us from came out.

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There you go. Did you say got that is like a wedding day? I'm pretty sure one of the nice one.

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Maybe it wasn't a came at one of the real original. Well,

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it could have been came up.

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But do you want to take one you can have one of mine. How many of y'all I've got I really want that one. You

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gotta you gotta brandy with came out?

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No, but if came up to it,

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you were I think a man is one of those brands that sort of very invoke at the moment that

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I need to do brand deals because

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everyone posts about them. What they just they just go super cheap, don't they? You buy a lot like it's the anti minimalist approach.

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Here's the problem with Kmart. And I love came out of this absolutely secure me never getting a brand deal with him. But what I do is I'm a designer comes out designs, something amazing and sells it as like a bespoke piece of furniture. then a year later came out, made a slight change and got a patent and selling bulk of it. So that design is now

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not making any money.

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The patent Yeah, a lot of designers well I came up close do that's why we all love it because it's like designer stuff. Yeah. And for $10

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Well, that's why people hate Urban Outfitters Urban Outfitters was known to do that. They're going to Etsy, store big fucking search on Etsy, find jewellery designs, and then just rip them off.

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Yeah, there's factories in China, like no se, by shadows, suburbs of factories that are basically as soon as a new product comes out from another company, they'll just stop making robot versions of them. And they're just constantly shifting what the product is that they sell. So segway is to start with when that was one of

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the profits dangerous, right? Good. A segway. You ever been on one? Yes. I recently did a trip to camera and wrote on a Segway for the first time and I want one so bad, but there's that stigma around them flying.

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I told you the storey of the LA segway God. I feel so bad about this. me my my area. And this dude rolls in on a Segway the big segway we're talking about

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to handle the handlebars. It Come on. We'll segue

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almost segue.

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hoverboard you're

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in San Francisco on.

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So we're in LA, which should be clear segues also, sorry, a hoverboard to work in San Francisco by I understand what you're saying. Yeah, you probably wouldn't want to use them in San Francisco because it's very hilly,

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but you want them

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yeah, they work. Anyway, maybe my man this is still not that common. Everywhere.

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Especially like 10

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years and we're in LA going look at these fucking asshole rolling in on a Segway to a restaurant. Oh, it's gronk it's to the top of the the ramp up into the restaurant. And then he takes off the handlebars. And it's a walking stick. The bloke had a disability. Oh, we go on this.

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Classic.

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Right. It's really does come with that. Oh, look at that Wonka co like a startup. You mentioned someone that has a startup rides around the office in the same way.

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Steve, Steve Wozniak, who was one of the founders of Apple he Sorry, I think he would get on it. We need what they a lot of by keys around your place, or is it?

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Well, we're in. Can we say where we don't give a phone to pretend that you're in like some really fancy? No, no. Going South Melbourne, which is? Yeah, the spiky, spiky gang.

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We can hear but like say the common cherry. The microphones wouldn't be able to pick up on it. But yeah, it's very bike motorbike heavy. At the moment, he was a

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leader. Apparently this is all from a friend of mine. We were walking down Clarendon Street. I'm having trouble. And the apparently she said oh, OK, that's the head of the common cherry

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tree. Because I know that there's a bakery that they would all go to. I don't know if that was sort of a front for a bigger thing, but that sort of hang tuck shop? Yeah, really?

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I don't know. So there was

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a bit it's not there anymore. Yeah, so got firebombed?

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Well, no, they just saw Jeff Mills out of this weird

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band. You know, no one's making any money off. There was a place called Jeff Holden for a franchise that opened like nine shops in six months, they all closed down.

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Well, this is why we thought it was a front for drug money and money laundering.

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Well, because you have what like how much money? I think that about how you think about about so many shops? Yet anywhere where you just do the math.

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You like how are you currently restaurants don't make much money. That's why they pay their staff nothing and they really bad with paying them.

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Yeah, I mean, it's would you ever do the hospitality thing? Like have a restaurant now

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that you know who I am now? No. internet famous? Yeah, do that. Do anything anymore?

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Do you actually feel like it when you walk down the street? How often would you have someone getting like

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quite regular? What did they say? Like it would be like maybe once or twice a week. But now literally if I go into the city, I get a lot so people want selfies. It's great. I'm sick of it but it's so fun. I can't get a family again. Yeah, and then they do sometimes. Some of them are really cute and I start shaking and I freaked out my war you need bigger role model Why?

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What kind of what demographic these

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women or gay guys? Yeah,

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like oh, we love your podcast? Is that what they call it? Like it's always interesting to hear what people remember about you or whatever it like today? What's the most common thing that

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I did a nurse video which is my most viewed one yeah, and views 14 million well and it's gone around it's done the next second Yeah, so a lot of nurses some I love your news video.

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That's exactly what our daily life is like I get a photo to show the staff

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take one and some of them like

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a data think that they taking up your time so they have high kick it and they take it and then they just run away yeah

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I'm happy to stop and have a chat. Yeah, some people get scared or they all started studio. I don't do anything I don't have a lot

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Imagine if you when you are if you ever need to go to a hospital. How well you're going to be thought about that as soon as like that video took off. I was

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like I've got it said I guess we're gonna hospital ever like oh, look after him. Hopefully, hopefully, hopefully. I'm putting on so much weight. I've just joined the gym

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about two days. Yeah, I saw that. So you you already had a gym membership. But you're like it wasn't close enough to work.

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I've got one down the road, which I've been to twice had it for two and a half days. Yeah. And then I've got a job where I work out at South Yarra and there's a gym across the road so I figured I can go after work. So you're doing work for us right? Yeah, like I've got to be really if I'm finishing work and go I feel like I might go to the gym I have to go right then in it physically has to be right there. Because on the way there I'm like oh, I can smell subway

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or I can't be bothered anybody like the smell of subway. What is the smell of some

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things after you ate it though? That's what I hate. I think that it's a nice smell what I don't know it's something there's something

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Can you not sniffing it people who can't see the visuals? Me

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as well we're basically been having Yeah, holding together that's what this episode was.

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That's actually Yeah, because that is the problem we just had some good man Gomez is that he say it goes man and go man I

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think it's good Monica.

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Yeah spot on, JJ but I never know how to say it. Is he is the the common question that I'm

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that Mexican is by far my default. What's your what's your default?

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cuisine food what do you what are your bad hands? What I've put on so much weight?

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Hello snack packs? Yeah, they just a hot chips. Chicken saw a layer of cheese and then like a huge amount of bad meat. I've got like solid

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sauce on top. Yeah.

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Yeah, but the interesting thing is you could change that at like the healthy version. There is no healthy fucking Oh, there is? No I reckon you could I could live in Tommy gets pissed off at me because of my relationship with food being himself

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cuz you

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a lot of way but because it's sort of Tommy doesn't think that my relationships healthy?

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I think you're working on

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it. Why And What Why?

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What why destructive relationship? What does that means a lot of emphasis on it. And there's I don't think that's where it cries I think for you to have lost all this weight was a lot of thinking power from you about it, which makes you conscious, which makes you make better?

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Well, I'll tell you the healthy version in a second. But when I did the documentary with you the big series that I did with one episode, one storey

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came here and you filmed a bunch of him.

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I was asking so many questions about like, Why? Because you you make jokes about your wife and things like that. And I remember at the time I was trying to tell this storey of sort of the sad fan class.

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So for people who don't know, Josh came to my house and we filmed a documentary for his series of documentaries. Many episodes he was going to make was the first how many episodes we picked early. We

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got to one it was first season.

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Yeah, it was the first time I committed to it like there's a title sequence which is where one storey series by Josh.

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Just waiting for the job. Yeah, we could

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do we could give it a go. Jocelyn, when you came

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in, and you were asking like really deep questions like, okay, who's going for the emotional angle? I'll give you some emotional responses that were all true. But like I like, I find that I desperately want to lose weight. But I crave potatoes, sugar, salt, and like cutting them out. I can't work out how to cut them out enough. You got so lean for a while there. But that was just fucking brute force. You did like a 12

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of them when you did a 12 week programme. It was Yeah. It was nine weeks, six kilos

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in nine weeks, no. Nine kilos in six weeks. So in six weeks, you lose nine kilos is so intense. And the incentive is if you lose what you get all your money back. So it was like this fat.

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And you get your money back

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at night. Are you getting? I lost? I lost four and a half. But prior to that I'd lost about 10. Yeah, so I'd lost Shane and should have entered early. So

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when Josh came over. That was he did you say you said you sort of are aware of him priming for a part of a storey of you? What do you identify your storey as? What do you think about? You know, do you think about it like that?

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My white storey?

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No, just hardware that fits in and you know what you're doing and what we're talking about now?

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I never think

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I know. I tried that moment where when someone's aren't giving as much of an answer. And Sam Mac was saying Andrew Denton talks about silence. And I didn't give any solace that was made giving silence

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that was he was walking you talked over Christian.

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Christian was I feel like

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he was giving something like, here we go.

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Well, I don't know what to like, I've got no clue. Okay, but let's like the Simon Josh came, he was trying to get these deep answers. I'm like, yeah, now sometimes I'll have some Vegemite, you know, have a nap.

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Sometimes we see from the outside in and we think there's a storey to somebody and I've had this, I've done exactly what Josh has done with clients of mine that are making videos for and I did one who were an immigrant, but they didn't see themselves as the storey that you'd find about an immigrant, right? Yeah, I know. I've I'm privileged. I've, you know, so lucky to be here. And I've worked really hard. And so I'm looking in thinking, let's get some emotion here. But maybe over there.

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Yeah, I actually was born in Barrick.

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And so yeah, we look in and maybe that I mean, do you think Peter get the wrong idea of you?

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Why don't know what people think of it. I think that there's, I think that the comedy point of view, there's sort of the cliche, which is the the crying clown, or that, you know that I think that part of it is that I can I can relate to so much of the stuff that you're saying, and I but I feel like I've got a bit of that sort of manic depressive sort of thing going on where I'll be running your I look at your highs, and I can really relate to the highs, but then I'm like, I can actually get really dark and sad.

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See, I I've been really lucky. I was never depressed about you know, my sexuality. My life like I've, I'm pretty much like, I feel like relatively normal up. I had a good upbringing. Have a great family. I like to be like alone and isolated. So I, you know, I do that really well. So yeah, I'm happy with that. And everything's really great. But I watched Hannah Gatsby to student Netflix special. And she spoke about how her comedy was a way to accept her sexuality. She's a lesbian. And she was saying that the reason why she's quitting comedy is because she's making so many jokes about herself to cope with being a lesbian, that she feels like she's, she says it so much better than I do. But she's putting coming to terms with it in a comedy away from the comedy. So she come to terms with it, just making jokes about it. So she wants to leave comedy forever, and just accept who she is. And I think I related similar to that in the white issue. Like I make so many jokes about it, because it's so obvious. And it's like, I'm going to Brisbane this afternoon in a few hours. And I haven't seen family for, you know, a couple of months and I'm terrified. Because I know as soon as they see me they're going to go I'm sure he's put on a few so I try and defuse that instantly by going well, I'll look it up that I got my meeting so much food and I hate it. Yeah, and that's why I joined a gym that's why menial right

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now. And what's Ryvita?

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It's like cardboard.

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Like Yeah, man when I was a kid like that feels I remember eating so many cross kits as a kid I

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live on your own Are you started in cardboard? Is that what I'm hearing?

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Well, no, but see, I think living on my own is made it harder. Because I've as my mom said she's like just fine so if you don't live with someone just find someone that can cook and then it'll be easier for you and then they'll hold you accountable because I don't hold myself accountable for anything. If I'm like tired and can't be bothered, I'll be like

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hello snack pack. Yeah, and so

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I'm starting to get like really unhealthy. Like even sitting on the floor like I am now it kills me. It makes me fun. I'm too scared. And I'm

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so funny about not sitting on the couch now it's all coming like it's all making sense. Now it's

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also Oh, this is so ridiculous. But the way it's fading mode what I'm talking about on the way I see it on the outside flattering Look at me now what are you gonna eat lost so much weight by I'm gonna sit on the floor not No, no. But like this couch because the ceiling sofa it pushes the GOP forward and puts you in a weird angle with it just pushes all your fat forward. Now I can I usually like

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into a bit of that gear

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and sort of hide.

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Yeah, I can I can say that what I was gonna say is the healthy snack pack. I reckon. Getting the lamb and then getting like a to bully or something underneath. And that being it would be like then you just go with the hell out.

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You're just having to believe the plan.

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But don't you think that's just as can be just as yummy?

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Or maybe not? Yeah, but then the problem is that is where can I get that? Yeah, instantly.

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Yeah, like oh

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well, it's not all unhealthy. It's all pretty much unhealthy unhealthy stuff. I just don't find feeling enough.

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Yeah. Well you videos are making a lot of people happy. That's good.

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I love doing them

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make me happy but in so that is that your happy place? Yeah,

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like I like making. I like to make entertaining people and seeing it too well. It's very motivating. And I mean all I it's funny listening to a lot of creative people talk about how they're not happy with stuff or they they leave things and they don't put it up but graphic designers. I mean I'm sure you Josh with film stuff with you want to do a little bit of tweaking here and there. You spend all this time on stuff. I'm really lucky in my brain. I don't give a fuck. Like I've done something. Can I do it better? Of course I can. I don't have time up it goes next like Yeah, but and then I find that people it still gets received just as well. You know how they say your worst

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self critic. You're your own biggest critic. Yeah,

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but like I'm Luckily, I don't don't assess or not very critical of my stuff. And it's all you look at this pretty shits very basic. I'm a video producer for big radio station, which does the national afternoon show. And we've got $200 handy cams in the studio. And that's eat. It doesn't record sound. I'm

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so upset so many digital content, like do you get the sense that I remember I saw an Instagram storey recently where you're showing someone else doing their how they show. Yeah, but

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see my, the way I operate. This is the way Casey operates who also works on a national Dr. Show. But he's so perfect. Like, I feel like he's like the two of you. So professional, he loves he loves that he loves the ghee, he loves talking tech, he loves improving and making things whereas I'm just like, let's just film it and get it out. Like that. I don't. I'm not as invested in things.

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Well for looking at the success metric connexion doesn't, you know, good gear, expensive camera doesn't equal connecting with an audience. And so you can pull out your iPhone and get 40,000 times the intention that I can with my phone, but it's because you've, you've done it, you've connected and built a little cult.

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Yeah, I think and people don't really care. Clients care, guys. Yeah, they want the professional stuff. But when you you know, if you can get at your phone quicker than you can running and getting a camera and putting a little SD card in and filming something and then lighting and just

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for people that come to this podcast, because I've seen your name on it, and we will leverage

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your share. It's all about

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Okay, what does Christian do? He makes all these videos. What does he make any money? Like z? Is that a job?

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Yeah, well, I'm starting to make some good money.

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ching ching. Yep.

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You deserve it, though. You put in a shitload of effort I have. I've always been like really quiet and been like, stop. But I have I put in a spotlight about that. Yeah, it's like having two full time jobs. I've got my nine to five. And then I come home and I've got like another nine to five. And so I think that's also why I put on a lot of white is because all my energy goes into sitting in a computer and editing for 18 hours a day. And I put in a lot of work. And I really enjoyed it. And then I started seeing it do really well. And now I've got a manager, and now she's bringing in some good clients. And now I'm doing some like videos for people who paying, you know, a good chunk of money for and I always say show them my stuff, and show them how little effort I put in, because I'm going to do exactly that for them. And it's great because I put in such it's so like it's so insane. Like, Oh, you've sold this for x amount of dollars. I go great. And then it'll take me half an hour.

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Yeah, it's honest content. It's something that Tommy really talks about and strives to do, which is it's it's you're being authentic, you're not trying to over bake it. And when you're not over baking it I think it allows for the content to shine.

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You've done a lot like yo by let's say as soon as you go back fishing, which is O box a box that you can log on all around Melbourne and just ride somewhere and leave. Yeah. And

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they were all in the yard. Yeah. And you just went in and fish them out.

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Yeah, it's very simple. So a lot of media attention the thought around it was I was interested and foremost and then my curiosity led me down this rabbit hole. And I thought fact they were in the water measure fish them out. Oh, bike fishing. I think I said the Josh the name before we even I haven't made the video. Right. And then it worked. But it was unlike I've always laid in that honest thing is always about doing what I'm curious. Interested in which then will shine Yeah, and maybe some other people will? It was that

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was the thousand steps walk?

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Yeah, thousand steps. How many steps are the thousand six is

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I just counted on and how many women there wasn't just,

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oh, sorry, those 700 a year something like that. But here's the thing, my girlfriend, we say that on this podcast. My wife has my baby who had my baby, lot more than my girlfriend. But at the time she was my girlfriend. And she said she didn't believe in that video. And only because she didn't get it. She's from CD. She's like, why would you can't steps. But what she what that taught her was to trust in my direction of it. And I didn't know if it will work. And when you made that one about the nurses? Did you know that would work when you know something will work?

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Well, you don't you don't you just how annoying is that? Yeah, a lot of the ones that I thought I'm gonna be so funny and so great. Oh, that to cheat and some of my favourite ones. Because they're really obscure. Don't do that. Well, so so I find like, I like doing all the videos that I do. But you can you can go with into an angle and do something like I'll do something on moms that I've got a huge audience I know that will write really well. And then I'll do something weird that I like to do over here. And I know that probably won't do as well. But we'll see.

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It's like doing other videos that definitely haven't done as well. But I love this and they're my favourite. Yeah. And they didn't get the numbers, but it didn't matter. Because I love fucking Mikey.

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Yeah, it can be a bit disheartening. Yeah. But then then I just go well, that's another one in the YouTube catalogue that will eventually someone will say it and share it at one point, it'll go off, you know, like, yeah, you build this whole catalogue of videos and content that you know people will trawl through and watch. I think that's how I initially went. And how I initially started is, when you start you're going to get nobody in the building. You're slowly building? Well, you're the you're the inspiration for this podcast and a lot of ways because when I listened, let's the smart you

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know, we do appreciate a little bit of little smart little bit. I

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know when when I was interviewing you for the little doc I made on you, you were talking about your podcast and how you did 50 episodes before you told anyone. Yeah. And that was that was something that like an ethos that we brought to our own show. The Daily talk show when we started was we did 20 episodes and didn't tell anyone. And it's that repetition. And a lot of those things have just like, done these better than what is it like, done is better than bride or whatever it is. Yeah.

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Like that's, that's, that's how I feel about videos and everything that I do. Do it. You've got an audience there that loves what you do, they'll they'll love whatever you do songs you don't go and you know, do some sort of really offensive Nazi content. You know? They love they love what you do. So just do it. Don't stress about it. And don't freak out. Like I know my podcast is so it's so shitty. I listened to it. It's it's shit. But people just love hearing the crap that I say for God knows why. And so I just do it. And

30:09
you're you're under estimating the skill of being able to talk by yourself and say funny shit, which is your podcast, you say? very relatable things and you and the one about the flat earth I was listening to the other day. Just an interesting take. Is this what's going on the Christian? How are we see online? What the goings on in your head?

30:30
Yeah, it's exactly. That's exactly it. And it's very often different random tangents. And I'll remember things and

30:37
I turned one off the other day because it was making me sad that I'm dying. Yeah, it was a gronk. Yeah. cried a bit.

30:46
No. Well, so I went to Sydney recently, and my 96 year old man passed away when I was over there, cuz that's where I'm from. And so I was lucky to be with my family. I mean, she probably should have died 18 months ago, really, in a nursing home can't move all that awful stuff. And so, mom and her two sisters because of my mom's mom were organising the funeral, and Nan introduced us all of the Vicar of Dibley. And so I get really sad. And I, I didn't realise how strong my connexion with my nan was because I get really sad about her, her passing away, and mom decided to play the theme from the Vicar of Dibley at the funeral, which has sadly ruined the show for me, because now I even talking about I get really upset. And so it was such a fun, light hearted theme. And it was it was a great service. And it was it was really nice. But then I in the podcast, I was like just played today now. So funny. I was like

31:48
okay, I was really sad, but I I've never really had I've never really had to deal with with

31:57
death so much. I've lost an uncle and another friend when I was quite younger and when you get older, got maybe just terrified because you're getting older. But yeah, you know, when you lose someone that's been so consistent in your life the whole time. It's,

32:11
it's not what you think. Now. It's like live every bungee jump, you can't explain what it's like. Yeah, losing people is different.

32:20
It's like the equivalent of bungee jumping but then in every fifth friend that bungee jumps hits the fucking ground like that's what death is right? It's,

32:27
you realise the mortality that you are you have like you said, it's like yeah,

32:32
and how we had a funerals like

32:36
Josh live streamed is grandma's

32:38
Yeah, my Nana's funeral filmed it at the back because I was she had what she was pretty she was pretty boss like that you should they had like over a dozen priests at her funeral at the front it was like a real

32:51
a lot of deal there. Yeah, there was a

32:53
yeah there was a fair few degrees brother in this

32:57
Okay, there's so much context you

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to get followers you know.

33:06
Such a quick by

33:07
Josh live streams, his grandmother's funeral, classic Tommy movie. But now it's a funerals. This weird, weird thing because it's it's like it's funny. I remember saying to I have a sale you know, I don't like funerals or I don't like hospitals and the realities. What the fuck was that? By the way, Christian, it was just a noise as long as nothing's catching on. I guess

33:31
it was a an old milk bottle or something that was squashed a bottle.

33:35
It's a cranberry juice. I just turned the bean I guess. Premier juice bottle.

33:43
Like to get in the battery. You wouldn't.

33:46
You wouldn't have got it though. Yeah. But the Yeah. And then

33:53
the funny thing is, like I was I remember saying like, I don't like hospitals don't like theatres. realities. Not many people don't know, why not. Come Gary, then it becomes this. Yeah, like you just need to work out how to cope. But there's so much anxiety associated with Oh my God, because everyone's weird. Everyone was so

34:11
we it's like was just our family. Like we decided not to do friends and everything because it was it was just a bit stressful to organise something where everyone can come. So mama says we're just family. But even then it was you change your whole demeanour. Hello. Yes. Good to see you. Like, you know, hug, hug and then quiet and then like our families, the loudest family in the world, but we would it was weird. And then I was a last minute the people who organised the funeral. Like I Christian, so what you and your brothers were Tues. Then I'll give nod and he woke up and he will take the casket to the car. And I was like, What? I can't look at me like I can't. Yeah, I was like, oh, Nana smell she'll be so light. And then when I get there, I'm in the front corner, taking all the white. Holy shit. Wait a tonne. But then we were. We've made a joke just before, which really lighten the mood. My other cousin was like, oh my god. Can you imagine if we drop when she rolls out?

35:07
There is that like the because the thing is with a lot of this dark stuff is it's

35:13
that what you were talking about the beginning which is sort of the respect for

35:18
the handle? Yeah,

35:19
I didn't even know like, Are you allowed to like I was saying hello to the one of the priests. You know, do you? I had no concept of like, do you shake priests hands do you did like I was treating him like though the pope packing idea. And everyone's quiet.

35:33
Yeah. When my grandpa died. My mom and I were in the room to see him. This was not my dad's mom was not my mom's dad. Right. And we said, Mom, yeah, yeah. So yes. Sorry. Sorry. If my grandpa died, and it wasn't my mom's dad. Yeah. So my mom and I are standing there, saying goodbye. And I am will and we're in this moment. And I laughed, and my mom's dad laughing I'll tell you why honey. My mom was trying to close his mouth. And it was just I saw my mom doing it. I was like, this is the most ridiculous thing you ever doing your wife Joanne. And we just started laughing? And it seems like the the the wrong response in that moment. But we weren't I wasn't laughing in that kind of high. But yeah, there is a light heartedness because you were so raw. And then we hugged and just yeah, laughed together, which was our emotional response to that moment, which probably isn't the right thing. But I think, as a writer,

36:33
I remember mom would fade man. And every time mom would like, go to put the food in her mouth. Mom would open her mouth. I mean,

36:42
it was so funny. And because the whole she couldn't not. She tried to think about closing a mouth. But then she was so focused on closing your mouth that she'd like, push the finance cheek because she wasn't paying attention. So my brothers and I would just like we would like man was like, not in a good spot. But like, Josh, we were called was it was so funny. And it's like, oh, join me laughing at this man Stein. That's fine.

37:08
I feel like I don't spend enough time thinking about sad things. Like I actively avoid it. There were Bry was we were at a cafe the other day embrace or sort of an older man who was in a wheelchair, and he was sort of his hands was sore from a being cold, and you're sort of rubbing it and you didn't look well. And she got quite emotional. And like when I got into the place, and I was thinking about it, I got really sad as well. And then in that moment, there was sort of this fire in me to sort of do set like, what can I What can I do? How can I contribute? Do you find that you have though, like, How much time do you spend in sort of sadness? Do you think?

37:48
Sometimes I go to really dark places? Yeah, it's really funny, because I did another podcast with James Caan. Yes, yeah. And he said something very similar. And it's like, do you ever go into these weeds? dark places? So dark, like I'll go really dark? We're all think like, what happens if mom and dad died in the plane? crash like when they'll find a Europe? Yeah, they died. eulogy. They picked to do the eulogy. And then I'll be thinking, and I'm going to I'm like, whoa, whoa, oh, my god. Why are you going here? Like, it's really, but I'm never like, I'm never. Sometimes I'll get a bit sad about it. But I'm usually like, Okay, he's wanted to imagine if my brother died. Like, how would I feel? What I have to quit my job? Or how would I emotionally handle something like that? Do I need to prepare for something like that? Just in case, and then I'll get into these really weird dark spots?

38:41
I think it's human though. I think is it some people?

38:44
I've spoken I spoke out with Jays. Yeah, I haven't spoken about it on my stuff. Because I just think it's Is it weird The thing that I think

38:52
people go like, I think my mind tries to fuck with me sometimes by going super, super dark. Yeah. So it's the

39:00
like, do you go to Doc, like there's a knife? What if I step?

39:04
Yeah, it's a little bit yeah. What would you push measure if I push this person in front? the oncoming train right?

39:09
Yeah, like it definitely never gonna do it.

39:11
I literally like my the scariest one which I planted in my brain. I can't get rid of my grabbing is when I if I see a gun on a police officer. Thought about the grabbing of the gun.

39:25
What if I take the gun right now? Yeah, yeah, get it out of the holster.

39:27
Yeah. And then probably not. But that scares the fuck it like it wasn't, it's enough to I know that I would never ever ever do it. But I'm like, how is this not happening? Like if I'm having this thought? How many people have you know? are in a dark place? Not like it? Was it scary when you broken?

39:47
A monster?

39:49
We'd really lead Coppola don't feel the answer. Cuz I know. It's really hot topic at the moment. But this is the sort of the debate between, can we fix the issue with the 22 year old girl that was admitted represented in the park? You really see Dixon, just walking through the park. And a lot of people are saying, we need to teach men good behaviour, which we absolutely do. Yeah. But a lot of us know not to do that. Yeah. But there's a lot of people who have mental issues. Probably have those thoughts, and then actually act on them is how do you then how do you fix that problem? Because we all know, like, men and women know, that's not murder someone not to murder someone because it's probably gonna be traumatic for the person doing the murder, it ruins your life, it ruins someone else's life, you realise the consequent consequences. Like we all know that, then there's people who just have severe mental problems, who can't work that out

40:50
that they can't say empathy, they can say, Oh, so

40:52
and so? I don't know, in the case of the guy that didn't actually 19 year old who can? He ended up hanging himself in? So surely he wasn't mentally unwell, or he had an episode or something like that. How do you fix that problem?

41:10
Well, I think that that's like the, the big issue, right? Like, it's like we all feel like we there's a communal responsibility that we all have as a society that if this happens, that we should try and do something like what can we do?

41:27
Do you think we're becoming?

41:31
So back in there, in the early will, you know, like the 70s and 80s, like Harvey Weinstein esque, he thought he could get away with it. Because there was no way that people could become hyper aware of what he was doing. Yeah, you got Facebook and Twitter and everything. And, you know, I'll drop a pin, and everyone suddenly knows exactly what I'm doing. A way mistaking being super hyper aware for progress happening. We just know, it's happening, like you had the acting community knew it was happening, but it wasn't an people to really cause a change. Yeah. Then the public became aware through Facebook and Twitter and through all those avenues. So now everyone knows. So we have to do something about it. So no,

42:10
there's a lot more noise than there once was.

42:13
Yeah. But my worry is it's just noise, will anything actually change?

42:18
I think that the the hard thing is, has there been really clear, distinct actions that we can take? I guess that was the frustration that a lot of people had. It's like, Look after your own personal safety, and things like that. But what you know, what is what is it that we because obviously, the majority of people want ripe and murder someone but we, what can we do to stop? Stop those people from doing I get this? There's obviously the there's the stuff around the locker room, sort of chat and stuff like that. But it's um, yeah, it's interesting, there is a bit of helplessness.

42:58
Maybe that's what that noise is, is helpless. And that always that you that we're hearing, and everyone going to a vigil is yes, people is the sign that no one knows how to fucking fix this just yet. Otherwise, I think we would be talking around the points that are being put forward that everyone needs to be a part of

43:18
I feel like sometimes unit.

43:22
In speaking from maybe not speaking from experience, I've had things happen, where I'll raise an issue. And nothing's done about it. But I know if four or five people raised the issue, certainly will get done. Yeah. But always you should back here. If you did something that here you wouldn't have four or five people raising the show up here. So it's sort of like nothing I maybe maybe it's because I've just had a bad experience. But I, I sort of feel like that's going to happen forever, where you got one person that something's happened to them? Well, it's just one person. On now we've got 10 people now. Let's do something now. Yeah, but what if you did something back when the one person brought it to you, you wouldn't have known people who you fucked over?

44:07
Yeah. You made a video? What was the name of it? And it was centred around sort of women's experience with men. And it was around

44:15
Yeah, recently about I made it after this, you really see sort of, she was murdered? Was everyone's everyone is sort of saying, what should now happen? Like everyone wants a solution right now? And I go, here it is. And obviously, that's, you can't just make a solution overnight. But I find that I'm not a real people don't turn to me, you know, in a crisis or whenever, like, they come to my channel for humour. So I thought, well, how can I reflect on the craziness that is women going out at night, which, you know, people are saying they shouldn't do and always have a phone and always all the steps so that women can't get raped and murdered. And I was like, that's, that's really funny. Why? There's actually steps in place for women, so they can't get raped and murdered. You seen the stupid things were like, you know, don't go outside because you'll be ranked and murdered because you're a woman. Stay inside where your partner will probably domestically beat you up. So maybe don't stay inside to go outside though. Like, just become a man. You know, like, Yeah, I love that I put on my Trish was. But it was just so ridiculous. Because you look at all the different advice from all the different police, the media, friends and family and they're all saying all different things and some more.

45:34
I'm, how do I not? As a woman, how do you not get murdered? Yeah.

45:38
So and how do you? How do you come to terms with I guess, being a male voice within these conversations? Um,

45:47
I was Trish. Yeah, I put on a week and became a woman. I know I was up front go, okay. This is a perspective from a 31 year old, gay, white male, who had a pretty good upbringing. This is where I'm coming from. And I was pretty honest. I was like, I can't relate at all to this. I can walk down the street. I go to parks at nighttime. Yeah. You know, like, I can't relate, walking through this at all. But I see it as such a awful horrible thing that, you know, women have to go through if they want to go, you know, if you want to get to RGA from here at nighttime, you have to walk past a lot of dodgy places. Yeah. And if I was a woman, I probably wouldn't,

46:24
because you've made YouTube videos about like, different names for vaginas and stuff.

46:30
So here's the weird thing is the video before I made that? Yeah, I posted it was like different names for your penis. And I was being really hypocritical here. Because I start to go, Okay, I need to see the content I'm making. I see it in a whole different light every time there's sort of something goes on or I get a lot of feedback. And go, Okay, how is this really hypocritical message? Because I'm, you know, I did one that was, you know, different names for your vagina. Yeah. And someone said, Oh, you're making fun of women and shit. Am I though, like, I am a 31 year old, straight gay guy. My intention wasn't to do that. It was just saying funny names through the China and stupid video. And a lot of people like, no, this is great. And then you get all this. It's different. If it's comedy yet that whole debate comes in. You know, like, can you make write jokes? Yeah. And a lot of things like, yeah, of course, it's comedy. You can make light hearted jokes about anything. But then it's sort of like, can you though, and then you've got to look at your, the way you deliver it and your message, and then how your audience will perceive that. And I'm pretty lucky that a lot of people know my intentions. I'm not controversial. I don't ever set out to offend. I'm pretty safe. So they if I do do something bad, which I haven't, hopefully don't. I think people will. I've been told I've been skirting a thin line for something that I did.

48:01
I do listen to in those cases, who's telling you that sort of stuff.

48:05
The the people who watch the videos, send a message. And so what's really nice is that, Hey, I know this wasn't your intention. But this is my situation. And this is how I've taken this video, I'm sure that other people will and I go, No, I don't want that to happen. And so sometimes I'll defuse it by writing a comment saying, Yeah, just

48:24
or I'll put on

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one video.

48:30
Especially that you really see video, I was so nervous, I send it to the first video that was sent to someone to go. Am I being really insensitive here? Yeah. No, no, it's a friend of mine. That works. The news that goes the news. And again, she likes the news. And she was talking a lot about it. And so and she's quite a sensitive person when it comes to this. Yeah. So she said that was fine. But then I stayed in for an hour and a half. I read every comment that came in. And it was about 98%. Gordon, there was, you know, there was a few people that were like, this is too soon. And a lot of people like no, it's never too soon to talk about this. And people just sort of have it out in the in the comments, but I was replying to a lot of them and reading a lot of them and you see people's opinion, people will always there will always be offended by something that you do. Whatever video I put up, someone will always be offended. So you can't, you can't get upset when someone does. And usually if someone if someone on a comment says they're really offended, I'll leave them. And if I send me a direct message, I know that they didn't want to do it publicly. They didn't want anyone to rate it really come from a good place. So our reply to that, and usually they're not angry. No one's ever been angry. A lot of dads and boyfriends. their partners will watch my stuff. And so they hear it and they get really angry. And then they bullshit page, shut the fuck up. And I'm just like, haha, and so rather than here I go. This always wins the moment. It's great. I got Oh, no, it's super easy. When you see a bit of my content. There's a little arrow you click it and you go hide everything. And I was like, if you really want to be if you really don't want to hear me at all, go into your wife's page and do the same for her so she never sees

50:18
you so funny. I love you stuff. It's fine.

50:21
I think you're unattainable as I write this message thinking that you're not a person not I don't

50:26
think I'm a business that have like a sea of people replying to messages. Yeah, but it also people I think that

50:32
people get triggered by different things right? And sometimes if what you're saying is maybe requiring a little bit of self reflection on how they are or their ideologies or what their how they view the world if it's a little bit different, it can sometimes be a bit confronting, if

50:49
you reply to a really negative comment with you know, like, you're a good sport about it.

50:54
Yeah, well, like really got

50:55
such a good sport about that. What a nice person rather than like they want you to reply with good thought. I'm gonna fucking Benny's stupid big head. Yeah, that's what they want. Like, they want you to have an argument.

51:05
So you just don't have a Do you think you're a people pleaser?

51:07
Yes. I try. Like any negative comments I'll be are what I recognised was, I still want to be. But someone said to me, it's really unfair that you only reply to negative comments. Yeah, because you've got all the positive comments, and they desperately love for you to reply. And then all the haters, you're giving them all your attention. It's such

51:29
a common issue though so many people are listening to the Asha ginsburg podcast, he had guy Sebastian who literally gave that exact example. Someone wrote to him and said something really negative and guy wrote back and said, You don't even know me and someone messaged him said, hey, I've, I've tweeted you hundreds of times in the last like three years saying positive stuff. And this person said one negative thing. Yeah.

51:58
Well, as much as we do good at constructive criticism or criticism taking on board. Yeah, it does. It cuts. Dave and I think that's the creative things that we do. These are extensions of our thoughts. Look inside. Don't shoot you think she?

52:14
Yeah. Good job. Yeah. Go white. All right. You can just delete my leave me a lot.

52:22
Is the Do you have any? So brand filters or values? Or like what? what's what's your mission? What you go? What

52:30
is the date questions? Again, Josh is good. Um, I don't think I have a mission or a goal. It's just sort of make lighthearted content that people can

52:41
be entertained by. Do you think that's how you've got as far as you have?

52:45
Yes, I think being consistent.

52:48
And it's like you said before, things that you are passionate about, that you may not realise is super relatable. You'll do the thousand steps video that Oh, back fishing, and everyone thinking exactly the same thing. And you put it out there. Here's a weird example. I'm addicted to nasal spray. Right. So I got a cold. I used it for like, it was like, two months before I realised I've been using this for so long. And then I read the package and it said, Don't use one three days. So a year later, I'm still going and I just casually mentioned in the video. So many people are addicted to nasal spray

53:26
addictive. What is

53:28
it clean? Is what it does is it I've researched this so

53:34
it opens up you know, so you can breathe. So when you have a sinus problem, it just forces you nose open. So when that heals, what your nose wants to do is close over and because it comes off really dry and it closes over to fix itself. Yeah. And so but what it does is it puts so much pressure on your sinuses that it hurts. And then I end up finding out if I can't physically breathe at all. And it's really uncomfortable. So I saw it. Yeah. Oh, I have. I have three bottles down in the bedroom. I have two at work. I have two at Channel 10 at my work. I've got one in my laptop bag.

54:08
What?

54:10
I've been addicted. How do you How did you get off? Well, I didn't I definitely wasn't maybe closer to the three month mark and then I just stopped. But yeah, because it's almost like you want you can sniff Yeah, you can't breathe in. Yeah, when you do use it, it opens up so if you stop if you're in trouble

54:29
I can't sleep because what as soon as my nose I just saw uncomfortable. I just can't

54:34
have sleep apnea. Maybe we looked at that. Like some of the snow. Yeah, my mate nice up. It's all connected to sinuses and stuff like that. No, I reckon I'm just, it's just the nasal spray. Nice was this instant relief as soon as you so you've been doing it for over it because we years, three years.

54:52
Yeah. And people have written to me going I was addicted for you know, two and a half years and had to go and have surgery have my sinuses bloody removed all living besides food, but they had like severe surgery and they were like it's awful. Like stop doing it. Now Trust me. I'm like a god. Have you ever go to a point where you go to different chemists? Oh, no, no good. I never asked. And I go into a chemist. I've had a couple of experiences where I go on. I think I have a cold and I need some nasal spray. Where are they? And I go this is a good one I got where's the time attack? You know? Like

55:26
why is this one and

55:29
I am an addict. And I'm not I don't want to sell it to a few addicted I'm not selling me sailing and somewhat not. And then what's sidelined? It's just like salty water.

55:41
Yeah, the natural ones I once got really pissed off because this chemist and I was travelling and now this one work is a good this natural Ozark I reluctant water.

55:56
steak on like traffic calm the natural way, which is just ginger. Yeah, like Tommy just chewing on it just fucking wanting to vomit on the boat. Bullshit.

56:08
Again, natural remedies. I mean, big fit up, but I just want the really terrible chemical drugs. Drugs work. Yeah, drugs, right. And so now when I go into a chemist, I just don't make eye contact. I'm like, No, I'm fine. And I'll just peruse until I find it. Because I know the chemist down from where I work. Like I buy it. It's like once every two weeks.

56:29
Yeah. Yeah,

56:30
yes. The question he wants, but I'm like, whatever. That's full.

56:33
Nose or anything like

56:36
not yet. Yeah. It's I don't know. Sometimes I like maybe it has a blow my nose and lots of blood my

56:45
blood out. So the cocaine you do?

56:51
It's not is not ideal.

56:54
It's probably with going to the doctor to

56:57
avoid the doctor. No,

56:58
it's there's a big push on Main going to the doctors because there's a lot of men who aren't happy,

57:05
especially like depression as well. But also like the put the fingers in the bum?

57:10
Well, I think it's a

57:14
few prospects interested in this house?

57:19
title of the show. You've you're employed at the moment? Is that Do you have a desire to be self employed?

57:31
After these episodes, yeah,

57:32
exactly. people I worked with him on my podcast, and he the things that I do. And I'm still surprised that I've got a job. I mean, the company I work for was like, give us your podcast or a podcast platform. And I was like, Have you listened to it? Yeah.

57:47
It's pretty out there. Do you? Do you worry that in the say, the me to my God, I know where you're going with the oldest with? So it's very funny. It's got a lot of smart it's got so things, you know, like with where everything's going, like, how do you how do you find the balance? I do worry that

58:08
it's not funny that in 20 years time, I will be like one stay sane. But I'm not touching other people. It's all consensual. It's just in the park.

58:16
Yeah, where it's actually, you know, you're talking about it and things like that. But what's the sensitivity? What do you what have you changed any of your actions? Or how you communicate things? Or maybe, because you might ham things up a little bit sometimes, right? So you will take something like a simple idea of checking someone out at the gym. But then rather than saying, you know, checking, checking a guy out at the gym, it's like, I'm thinking about a guy at the gym about fucking turning him over and all that stuff.

58:43
Yeah, it's like, I'll all make a situation of 20 seconds into a 20 Minute. Like, I'm really good at just stretching out content. I have I've changed a lot of my actions. Yes, since since hot, this makes me sound like I'm like a little hobby. But I think it's just to see as well. Again, it's like how other people talk about women. Like if they're being derogatory. I'm not at the level where I feel comfortable going. Don't say that. Yeah, a student. And I'm, I know, I should say, let's talk about that. I'll just like, not be involved.

59:24
I definitely feel that

59:25
and a lot of people have texted me some things. You know,

59:29
have you seen this photo, and I might apply? You know, conversations at work, like, Oh, I got a couple and she's wearing that, like, I just don't want to be involved. Like, it's just

59:39
small sees a danger in you removing,

59:41
I can see

59:46
the danger.

59:47
You see the

59:48
yc the effect, I reckon the effect in a long one will be a positive one. Like the first step is not being involved in conversations about how people look. So don't be involved.

1:00:01
People just do you do you? You know, look at me.

1:00:04
Yeah, like on no prize. But um, it's the weird thing is that I've been employed at radio stations and that like that there was a time where celebrity gossip like that's a thing

1:00:15
that you do, right? Yeah, I remember those still dedicated to how people look in the red carpets and all that stuff. Yeah. But you know, I like the first step is don't get involved, don't have enough, will really don't you don't need an opinion on how she looks or. And then the next step will be maybe trying to persuade people to not talk like that. Like I always say, I hate the word when people say retarded, yeah, my mom was a special needs kids for years. And that really taught me Don't say, let's return it. So I've trained myself for every time I feel that I was going to use that word I take more on. Yeah. And so now I naturally don't say retarded anymore. I say moron. And now, you know, four or five years later, I'll be like, don't use that word use more on instead,

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we had a we had a guest on who? just casually and you could say you sort of correcting at the time said the word guy is something that it's been

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unable to judge you on your actions, not your intentions. And most and he was never intending to use the word guy in terms of homosexual people. Yeah. Or, you know, and but people don't

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take brother still says that.

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Yeah. And it's definitely I think it's the The interesting thing is, and it's something that I'm still working on, and it sounds like you are too It's like, Where to? When is it worth being the squeaky wheel or saying something like being the sort of the fun police and saying, guys, this is actually this is an okay. Yeah,

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I mean, it's being people like we're becoming to PC. And again, like Hannah. Gatsby said it really well. She's like, I know, I'm really sensitive, but it's not a disadvantage. being really sensitive is an advantage. Got what? So, so clever. Now, after they've gotten it. She was like, my sensitivity means I treat people with respect, and I know what I can and can't say And what's nice, what's not nice? Your insensitivity is is really the problem. Yeah. Like so because people would go up to her and be like, Oh, you should do more lesbian jokes. And then she'd say something and they'd like to be so sensitive. She's like, no, you're just insensitive. You know, like, I'm not sensitive. The same thing. Sensitive isn't the problem. It's being so insensitive. That's a problem. So

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how do you counter the thing that you were saying you do with your family? pointing at your wife?

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Well, my, I haven't, I'll gladly call out my brother. But sometimes it's just, he's, he's such a bloke. Just kick him in the dig.

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Again, it's the tension. This is yes. intention to find. Maybe don't use that word. I'll say that. My avatar about triplet brothers. So you're

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a triplet. No. I rose

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a trip. Yes. Older younger brothers. Oh, no. Oh, no. so far. annoying for mom and dad. I'm Nick when I was out, but not out. Like it was. You could tell. Yeah, super gay. We were at the dinner table. And Nick was he was been he 12 I was still living at home. And he was talking about one of his teachers. He hated his teacher. And he was like, Baba lines, like, he's just so good. And he like, killed on it again. Right. And I just feel these methods food. So we couldn't talk. And it was really, like, it was so funny. And I was sort of sweet, because he's like, who can't say anymore? You know, like, Christmas guy. And so he sort of really like made sentence could get, right. And that's the end of that conversation. And, and I was like, that's nice, like, the situation that they're in now? No, but I'm going I know some they sort of changed. So I think that change in that fun police happens when you can really see.

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I think it's a personal journey as well. And a lot of ways so being I think that for your brother, he had to have a brother who was gay or something like that. And so that always feels why I think people are way more empathetic when they actually surrounding these people. You know, they see these people, they're friends with them. They're sort of connected versus just being told you can't say

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that phobic father that has a gay son. They quickly gonna become Yeah, if I want a relationship. Yeah. Yeah, they're

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all like now the guys the guys are just as soon as they know someone with a friend,

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the guys.

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It's funny how quickly they go. They're not that bad. Yeah, best friend is like the perception changes.

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Has anyone come out of the woodwork from the time that you know, Trish has become, you know, come to life and you and your success on the internet? How do you mean coming

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up behind his

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back in the day or? No, I stalk them on Facebook.

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They got really hot, you've

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got no access to them, because their friends will fully set

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up their account and then some of my Oh, good. I really life's gone downhill. But now I've got a lot of sort of some old high school friends who

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were lovely, but like, didn't really talk too much.

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Yeah. I've really

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struck up like some good like internet friends, like a couple of they got key. They've got kids now I can really relate to the staff. And they're like, Oh, this is so great. And now we've got like this friendly banter, which is really nice.

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And so it complete drivel, you do it every every week. Is that still the plan? For a while?

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Yeah, well, I'm about to sign another two year contract. So

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that's actually what I was going to say. So like Christian is a great example of someone who has taken something that normally would normally you don't like we're not making any money from this, the daily talk show thing. But you've found a way to have an employer who's

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just now Yeah, so it's been like it's a pretty successful podcast. And it's made me nothing. Yeah. And so

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now those

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made you everything, or it's made you everything depends on how you look

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at it. Definitely. This is

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a look at these accounts.

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And now that it's a bit of interest from you know, I'd like to parties interest from two people now. So you've got that bit of conflict. So now it's this contract me playing the game? Yeah, it's great.

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And so do you think that the for you? What I was asking before around, you know, being employed by someone having a boss versus being self employed? Do you have the goals to sort of have your own Empire? Or do you like, sir?

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Well, I remember Recently, there was an opportunity where I was going to sell the podcast for livable income

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for good, like really good.

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Yeah, livable wage, and I was really excited about becoming unemployed and using that to fund Trish and Christian and grow YouTube and, and everything. And I spoke to you about it, because you did something very similar. He left full time employee, you both did, really? You've left full time employment, and now you're doing your own venture. Yeah.

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It's really drying him. I like that. You've you've only done one. Tommy's got a shocking cough at the moment.

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If you're hearing I was I've got some emails, right. But I think I need some nice.

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Do you want something?

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Stop.

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I forgot what I was saying. Yeah. So when we

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were, we were chatting. We were chatting when you read? Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm, I'm glad that that didn't eventually because I took two weeks off, and I went to Sydney, that's when men died. And I was holidaying with mom and dad and I was sort of on my own. And I was like, so but I can't wait to go back to work. Yeah, I can't wait to go back to full time employment. And then I was like, shit, luckily, this deal has fallen through. Because I think I would get really NC and, you know,

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yes. And that's what we that's what we're speaking about to right was it

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forced you both of you to say this? Like, you come to my house,

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you've got to get out there. Like if you'll be a pretty sad and lonely individual.

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That was like, I mean, as well,

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well, which sort of

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aside from that. Yeah. I was tired of that about that. But then I was like, right back, get back to the work friends. And you know, the show and yeah, where I was a part of a team

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you need to leave to create your content, because that's where your content

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comes. Yeah. And that's another thing I get a lot of fuel from the people I work with, and the moms I work with, you know, though, I love the hear one line. I'm like, right, there's a video.

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Yeah, what have we been saying? Are you saying that we need to live a life to come?

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Yeah, that's the thing with him radio, right. It's it's like, you've got a you got to be living a life to have something to talk about on air. And so for us with what we're doing, yeah, there's been times with the podcast where I have literally been in a bubble where I've been excited about the podcast, and all I have to talk about is the podcast. Yeah. And it gets real fucking boring real quick

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times. I'm like, I've got nothing. Yeah, I've got a little chart notes on my phone, but nothing to talk about. And that's what I'm like, oh, Google, like news.com ladies and men exhausted all all of my life is now in these episodes. I've got nothing else to talk and I repeat storeys sometimes without even knowing so what a terrible memory and people we like you've said that one already

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playing the sky game you do.

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Oh, yeah, I've done one storey like three times.

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The laxative tea green laxative take hold again, making a full time. So there's this I was again, the never ending quest to lose weight. And there was I walked into these Asian grocery there was like slimming tea. I'm like, Well, that sounds good. So I just thought, oh, it'll have something it'll help me be thin, which ate very much stuff. And so I was eating healthy. And I was having these tea every morning as I produced a breakfast radio show. And then halfway through the show be like, Oh my god, it's got a little pain until you run and then it was like, you know,

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just like running with exit. And then you know, I was losing weight and it was like, Am I losing weight and getting sick and I couldn't work out why my green tea though so healthy, so healthy, kept drinking it ended up shooting at your home. Oh my god

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contemplating going to the doctor because I was so it's so painful. And then this is a guy who's been addicted to nasal spray for three years and not done anything. So it must have been really bad.

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And then a friend of mine goes, just walked into the studio as I was getting a team I got because oh my god, that stuff killed me when I use it. Like

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I was like shit

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like this. And I was like, Yeah, I've only just like I made that connexion instantly when I was

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like, Yeah, really, montage of you

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using it for the last three months, and I realised that I made the same mistake again. I was like by that slimming tea walked in and there's a fat blaster pills.

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Plus the fat away. Yeah.

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Yes. Great. That's what I want to do. I want to eat Hello snack packs, but have the fat blah, blah. So I took these pills on severe like intestinal pain. I got to the level where I was having an ultrasound right? It's not your opinion. I thought my penis is going to burst because I couldn't I couldn't do anything. And then I thought there was something in my interest on and then as I'm having the ultrasound, the doctor goes all like, you know, are you taking anything? Or Not really? I mean, I'm taking like, I've been taking like zinc pills and some iron and like fat Buster pills. me down and he just puts the little thing back 10% off and he goes to say stop taking this. That's what's doing this get out. Because it's like you've wasted my time you've wasted the resources. It was just because taking the stupid fat bastard pills and that's when I realised there's no cure it's just healthy diet and exercise it's just too It's too Boolean let's try that

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it's delicious It's really yummy it's really yummy. So daily talk show everyone Christian how thank you for being on for chatting and as I say after every episode, this isn't like an interview it's more of a conversation. So the idea is that you can like come back as a friend of the show and tell that storey for the

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fifth skinny tell a storey and episodes because

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I usually do that storey every hundred episode sounds beautiful

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