#130 – What’s the point of social media?/

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conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Johnson and Tommy jacket it's a daily Talk

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Show Episode 130 was that embarrassing Tommy saying me do it

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yes we finally got there What is happening?

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Yeah I must have a bit of a Monday Monday itis. Unable to just say the podcast name. I might Don't we all I just I just got an email from Gideon who is one of our listeners and he's he's been traveling around Europe so I've been watching his in stories and yours and hiding the fact that it's so freezing him the other day. I mentioned that the heater is like crack. And he just emailed me saying, I now understand why the hater is like crack because he's just got back to Melbourne. So he's back in his back. Yeah, freezing.

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So I just need a quick update. Amy. My wife is just sent a text message 10 minutes ago. She must have been listening to last week's message. Last week's show. Sorry if I can. Lawrence is someone's creeping behind me. What are you doing?

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Tommy's currently in his office and Larry, one of the guys who sub laces off him was just walking past

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all I could I could just see my co pastor. I could say my peripheral. He was behind me doing something. I think he's just like, froze because he knew I was recording

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anyway. So you know last week Josh when I was talking about Jehovah's Witness

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as a religion and I was talking about the story of Lawrence who was creeping behind me I don't know what he was doing. He was at a wedding where the DJ was playing Jehovah's Witness tunes and it was a job witness waiting and when I say tunes I just mean all the profanities and sexual sexualized lyrics were removed from top 100 songs. Anyway, I must have said something that episode that said, Christian Christianity is similar to Jehovah's Witness. Look, I can't remember saying it. My wife thinks that's what I said. And she said I do remember you saying it. I remember I asked you Was it a sect of Christianity and you strongly confidently said

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no I don't think which I wasn't I don't think I said it was a say I did not I mean if he can be bothered listen we have the recording this is the thing this is what happened when I got a security camera in my home office every time brain I would have an argument Bray what's I play back the type

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let's say the audio it's I

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mean, just message me

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Jehovah's Witness is so different to Christianity. I just right. But that's what they all say.

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They're all apparently they're all different. And advisor. And

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I said, What's the main difference? I'll mention it. She said so many. And the first one she said and this is probably this is the only one I'll mention because it really just shut me down. Soon as I read it. The main one for me is how they cut you off like Scientology. If you have if you have a blood transfusion or abortion, even if you were rights, etc. So families lose contact with their kids because they catch you off.

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Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. But I don't know if that means that like if they believe in everything. If it's not an eye, it's nothing about religion. You just don't do

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it's not. That doesn't mean to simulate. If I can give you a piece of advice.

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Don't act like you know what you're talking about. When it comes to religion. I think it's just I mean, Amy went to Bible college, I think she would have some idea of the differences. Yeah, but

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my thing is, I want to because the cutting off thing I knew about and obviously there's a lot of sort of religions or you know, churches that are from the Christian sector, whatever that is, like really full on and that like, pick it in front of you know,

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you have gay people's funerals or

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soldiers church that's how you do that. Yeah. And say, here's the thing you were talking about a religion and there's so many variations of and and I guess depths that people take it and beliefs within the one thing so they could be Christians that believe a whole plethora of different things, which doesn't mean ones right or wrong, it just means that there's variations of it. So I did

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I I mean, all I wanted to do was talk about a DJ that played you know, top 50 songs without any sexualized lyrics.

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The I wonder what the, it's interesting around the like, identifying specifically like around what religion you are, and things like like that. Because in in a lot of ways, what people my friends describe, who are, you know, some that are really religious and they're all like, qualities or values or virtues or whatever you want to call it that I believe in as well. So,

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yeah, it's I found religion super interesting. Yeah,

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I mean, if you're in a very Catholic environment,

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you know, a lot of the population cross easily

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very religious churches, a lot of churches it's unbelievable Have you been Have you been getting into that stuff they've diving

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we've been don't we've gone to a few churches and stuff like that. But and the will wondering why the bells were going like, I love the bells that go off every hour or whatever, and every half an hour but they were going crazy yesterday and apparently it's because there was mass on Sunday Mass.

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Yeah, I have no idea on that time

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I saw something has been popping up in, in my news feed. And it's, you know, we work the

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Yes. And they're like co working still like a co worker. Yeah,

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crazy. They like with $20 billion. So I think they, they they end up owning a lot of the real estate with a you know, having their co working spaces and so you know, the business isn't just how you read this desk. It's a lot more than that, but they have started banning meet within the CO working spaces so so sorry, the business itself have started to no longer in reimburse employees for meals that included red meat or poultry or pork butt so that's so different right? Like what I'm what I'm not sure on is there's a difference between being co being in a co working space yeah

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versus being an employee of the site so

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nice my sorry I fact that up typically it's it's such a weird thing they business is looking after other businesses so the company itself have 6000 employees

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so we work as a company to manage the $20 billion of off of office rental spaces yeah

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they have for their own employees that had banding and so it's like just a big business myki move to reduce their carbon footprint which is crazy I was like so they've said they've done that they've banned

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the employees from but I think that's a such a strong word like I think that this is an example of a headline which seems so misleading because you put it into trial oh and the headline in trial always we work bands mate no I just said when we when we work band no no no so Business Insider the article was cold way work band mate

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Did you look at that

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yeah

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I I looked at the article that's so funny because I have the time I want you not to look at something and then I put a put something in there so I can tell you fresh and then you open up my board You cheeky pretty

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sure I have not looked at it was I was just it was seriously click it's a very click Beatty thing so I was like man what this is outrageous but i don't know i think that if it's there's a big difference I think that the the thing that would have annoyed me about it would have been controlling the choice of people who

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co working in those environments yeah so

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I don't think it's the the CO working environment itself it's the the business so the people who work directly for way which I thought was awesome I thought it's like you know like I made and I should probably do more to reduce the amount of meat that I do eight but I was thinking it's it's such a great move for a big business to just enforce something that's not really going to ruin people's that is just because you can't go out on the company card and drop if I can $300 steak at a willing skis and Smith or some high end of the things steak restaurant I think it's one in New York but it totally makes sense it's it's big business coming to the front to do something that's not like outrageous. I don't think it's that outrageous.

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Yeah. Well, I think that the it would have been outrageous if they were like, the use of the words banning and stuff like that has this implied you know, thing that that they banning it sort of within the whole business. I mean, this is just if you ain't getting your lunch free from the business, if the business is paying them. They're not they don't want to be paying for for me. Yeah. Which I think is very different. It's

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a I think it's a forward step though. Because imagine if, like, majority of the big companies you've worked for big businesses and they always putting on you know, lunches or, you know, there was cured meat plates hanging around. So if, like, you remove that across thousands of businesses, you would at least contribute and you don't even have to be a vegetarian. Just don't eat it within the work hours. Yeah, I think it's fine.

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I wonder about alcohol, like, I've worked at business where, like, made ups and company events, it's common to have like, a real piece up and they start companies where the founders don't even drink. And so I've always I've always wondered where, where the, the next step age of the sort of growth for businesses, you know, with the sort of in line with, you know, the May to campaign and things like that is to actually say, Whoa, ease alcohol is providing unlimited booze at a work function, a good a good sort of concoction within the workplace.

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Can I just tell you about one of the stories Christmas party I think it was the same Christmas party

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I someone at the workplace. I mean, you could probably guess from listening to the podcast which one it was, I was working a for loop on the straight same and then the one Christmas party. I, there was people like nicking bottles of red wine because it was getting lies and like the by cause, but people just grabbed bottles of red. And this was like one of our second probably the last time where I've had a blackout where I literally couldn't remember how I got home. And so but the funny thing was, I woke up in the morning thinking, holy shit, how am I my bed? How do I have my phone here? They had to go to work. But two weeks later, still couldn't remember Josh and I know you've probably never had this and it's something you do not want to have black ass I was on the tram going past the office and I looked over to the fish and chip shop was which is directly directly opposite and I saw the owner Jim at the front and it just fucking came flooding back to me it was like a movie saying where they do a montage of just what had played at I literally I would if it would have been May I would have eaten a minimum chips you fly like I would have

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liked out

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all of that. I probably would have remembered if I did that. But no joke I saw Jim's face I thought our ship it flashback I saw Jim as I came out of the building. I was pissed. And I was like my what do you do it you go away and I was like can you give me a lifetime and I and I remember him giving me a lifetime and I've nearly seeking the car and I got home safely thanks to Jim from the fish and chip shop.

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It was nice yeah So Jim was the look on Jim's face one of like excitement to see you Who was he did he look a bit sort of what was the vibe getting off him

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well when when he gave me Alito

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know when you saw him the debt like when you know afterwards

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or factor you know are we get all those sort of thing I was I was on the tram and like and he didn't see me but I saw him and then I felt embarrassed because I was like I would have been a bit sloppy and I didn't see him again Thanks for the lift and he was a bit like how often do apologize for bait like drunken behavior what depends on in your life how many times how many times have either or

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i think i think only a couple of times I probably should have more though I mean once I was was flying kicking a fly kicking a roll the door

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even know why of James who I talked about on this show bit Am I am I yeah might as fly kicking James's role was already had people clients inside it was like on a Saturday and he corrected at me he's like make that was not on the next day as I am so sorry, dude.

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So it's like during the day and you're just hammered.

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It was like a afternoon on a Saturday. But then I got these texts from him in my heart sank the next day. And I just have this just the montage may do it a fly kick into it to Rolla dough because it sounded cool.

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What do you think about text messages for like delivering bad news? No text form versus in person? Do you have any strategy around when you send a text versus when you call? This is when you email? I think I've probably got them. But I probably broken them all. I think I broke out with girls have a text when I was a kid. Was he right? Sorry. 30 to 1030 to 10. Just type in and out. I could do it with my eyes closed. I got good at that. But. But yeah, you

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shouldn't break out with PayPal overtakes. You shouldn't do anything serious over text. But I have I know sometimes it's like, maybe it's the right thing to do. Because you can articulate what you want. But even if you do articulate it to the best of your ability, people can still perceive the tone of a text message. So you can't really you can't communicate tone

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Yeah, through anything that's recent. Because you could say I

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feel like I almost do it. So to give the other person like to help them save face. Like if I'm if I'm sending a message say in James's case, you send a message so it gives you an opportunity to reflect rather than be caught in this situation where you might escalate it or you don't have time to refer

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Oh, I mean, for James's case I think a text message was perfectly fine

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and it was I mean all I was doing this flock he he adore and there was no massive repercussions from it. I didn't break anything but it was more like don't think about this you're fucking idiot

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I was I was high at that same party that are still have that that I can't remember. I think a girl broke her elbow because she slipped over in the kitchen. But I mean, if you sober Do you think she would have Broken Arrow? But I don't know. Maybe. But I think you do have a point.

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Yeah, and I mean, I've been to ones where they've had ice sculptures and that'd be delivering shots through through a hole and shit like that. I don't know. I just think

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I don't feel like I'm what is it a fuddy duddy or whatever it's called, but I just wonder whether booze because like, I've known, you know, at companies where, you know, people have had sex in the disabled toilets and all that sort of thing. It's like ease as you know, do you think that that's if, if there's two single people

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who are at a Christmas function, do you think it's okay to have sex and the disabled toilet?

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See? I

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Well, actually, I don't think I don't think it's that bad. If it's consensual. And it's like, whatever. I think it's just two people acting, but I don't think people will do it if they weren't drunk. So it's like, I don't think it's the best move.

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Yeah, I didn't. But if you drunk also, like, what it what is being consensual. If you're off your face. Anyway, I just feel like bring the workplace bring in booze, bringing in sex. And it's probably like, being at the office and stuff. It feels like it's a it's

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not a good opportunity, I think. Yeah, I think for anyone, it's a probably you shouldn't do it. I don't know anyone. I don't know. Anyone personally, is done. who's done that at work function. I know people have made out at work functions. But there's always he cannot. Nothing stays a secret of the work function. It's always it will clearly j once JJ knows a sending a text message. You see, here's the thing. There's these there's all these little I updated the internet,

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there's little snakes who are walking around and they're not drunk and then taking notes. That's maybe a little snide? No, not directly, I'll text it over to free. So I don't. I feel like that is

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one of my fees. I feel like when I am not drinking at a Christmas party, or whatever it is that that I have that perception of myself that I'm like, little snide. Yeah, and there was that sense of like, I don't want whatever happens here that people are just getting close. I'm just not going to mention

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at Have you heard that stuff about Netflix and the protocols while working for Netflix. When it comes to interactions with other colleagues.

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I heard the it's and I thought it was sounds like a complete joke. So the headline is five seconds of eye contact, Netflix most ridiculous role. So new rules reportedly include know looking at anyone for longer than five seconds, no lingering hugs, no flirting and now asking for a colleague's phone number.

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Yeah, interesting. Yeah, I mean, this is the thing I feel like within the once you take anything out of its original context. Yes. Which I guess is what the news does it, it can completely change the vibe of what's going on. Right? If this is part of a much bigger cultural shift that's happening at Netflix that we're not a part of, it might might make complete sense. Yeah, and this is the same thing with the the way work meet Ben is it's like it. But people have gone through some sort of onboarding, to get to this sensitivity, which we're just not

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we don't experience

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Well, I think, I mean, the meat ban is low scale in comparison to telling people have I should actually communicate and interact on a human level, just just saying, Look, guys, you can't do that. But in saying that, I Yeah, I agree. Taking away if you take away alcohol from Christmas parties and shit like that, you'll find half people have the paperwork rock up in the first place. But maybe it would push towards more people slowly, being able to deal with,

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you know, social engagements without alcohol. So it's a, it's a, it's an interesting one. I think, if the big companies do make the move to do alcohol beds, or it probably will reduce broken elbows, people having blackouts and having to say sorry, to the efficient chip shop owner.

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Hello, definitely. I think it will also definitely reduce the amount of people that are attending meetups and stuff like that because there are a lot of you know, the other argument of it is there's uses social lubricant and there's a lot of people who wouldn't be talking to each other if they hadn't had you know a glass of wine or be yeah

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well i'm i'm 16 days off the PIs haven't had haven't had

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yeah i doing draw July made without the donation parts July

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so I got on board I got on the bandwagon you're like, the sick people that to move him without having an account

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is growing. Mo Hey, did you know I'm doing my bit

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for charities and otherwise

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1600 dollars to clean up Australia died last year, I'm just going to find those writing for this. You

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know, I just I just got to find the risk

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of being inside gv. And yes, for anyone who is thinking that I never did actually don't have the money I did. You are paranoid that people didn't you're trying to work out ways to communicate not because you wanted to show off about how much your donated but because you're worried that people would have thought TJ ran off with it.

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Yeah, I mean, it's very tempting when you have that cash there. You say, yeah,

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you actually see how people slip into and they doing charity donations. Well, I yeah. What was there was a lady who got done.

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She was the fight CFO for a or treasurer for a big charity. And she was just done recently, in the past couple of months, she was working regional Australia and she'd sort of bought a house using the money back and, but she had like, a plan of like, paying it all back and stuff. It's a bit of a bit of a disaster, you've totally lost it, if you think that is sensical

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will pay back before they realize

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Yeah, it's it's pretty crazy. Hey, I got a new segment. Shit. It's a It's cold out. What's the point? And what it is, is I will ask you what's the point of something and we can just riff on it. I like this today. Mondays. What's the point is what's the point of social media? All right, he's gone. He's gone very big. For the for the first one point

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maybe we should get heads up for some of the big ones

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actually, she deleted Instagram and Facebook

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and she was saying she's like, I actually didn't go to i didn't i didn't go to the apps because I wasn't getting notifications. And so like when I wake up, I have Instagram notifications Facebook. So she's just turned off notifications really say Oh, she's deleted the deleted the apps and the so my point being I don't even have any you unlocking machine. It's just random notifications. But then I'll click into it. So you start just it's just sucking time I think. What's the point? I think there's the point that they have, which is

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Mark Zuckerberg initially wanting to connect people and now it's to make as much money. So that's the thing

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I think about like the individual. I think about it as an individual level. What's the point of you having social media

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to connect with other people isn't just what it is. It's a social networking. So it's over the internet. So it's like just removing the face to face and the geographical issue for anyone?

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Yeah,

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so what what do you what? Why do you think even what I've been thinking about I've been thinking about being a why and this is like, there's a lot of comments for it's like, Man, I'm so jealous of your trip or it's like off Fuck you. You're in Europe that's sort of vibe from PayPal and I think about unlike the only

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I have a moment of like if it's not bring people joy

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Why Why are they consuming the content? And I think that there's even going away there's a bit of us there was sort of a thought that I had which is like a how much should I be posting how much is a respectable amount to post so so that I don't sort of come across as gloating or stuff like that. And it was just it got me thinking around social media and it's like does I guess a question that people need to ask is like ease the Instagram feed, making them happier.

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There's I just typed into Google Drake and he's song lyrics from his latest album. We he does this whole thing about social media and I'll just I'll just read the Drakes lyrics in one of his songs. He says another segment Drake's

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becoming Drake's lyrics, explaining,

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what what's the point

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he says, I know a girl who's one goal was to visit Rome. Then she finally got to Rome and all she did was post pictures for people at home. Because all that mattered was impressing everybody she's known. I know another girl that's crying out for help. But alas, latest caption is leaving me alone. I know a girl happily married till she puts down a phone. I know a girl that saves pictures from places she's flown to post later and make it look like she's still on the go Drake

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track. Who's the girl

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lose that night?

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But I know it's interesting. But

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I just I feel like it's a conversation worth having. Because

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Yeah, I turned because, like, what is the point? Like, I guess what's the point of I was asking myself, what's the point of me posting on social media. And,

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you know, for me, it was like, Okay, I post like, the actual, if I go real deep. One of the reasons that I post on social media when I'm traveling is because I started using Instagram in the early days. And I would post when I would travel and in Instagram used to have a map where you'd be able to see everywhere you've been, so I could I remember when I went on my round the world trip a few years ago, and zooming out, and I'd be able to be like, Oh, cool. Like, I can see where I am in London, or did that thing in London and go back there, or do this or that. And so, for me, it was sort of the accumulation of these like, geo map type of things, which, which got me sort of really into it and into that habit. Yeah,

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and then also like, my mum, Mike, my parents and my family enjoy it. But I mean, what's your, what's your gauge on this year? So like,

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I think if it's, I think it's like, why are you going to the gym or what you're trying to do with the business if it's like working at the goal of what you want out of it. And that's okay to have if your goal is to build a following to then, you know, give you influence to then be able to build a brand or a business out of that's okay. But I think I think people I think there's a majority people that will not even go that fat that deep. Yes.

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But that's the thing. Most people aren't trying to be influencers in a big way. So then the question becomes, you know, I guess it's a two part question. What's the point of posting and what's the point of consumption? Yeah,

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I don't see much point of consumption. And, uh, but I feel like it's a problem I think about when I'm spending time with Bodhi my son and I catch myself just looking at bullshit swiping through bullshit it's like it is just ingrained into my it's like a patent of just like, you sit down you go for it, and you pick up the phone like it's it's so toxic. I mean, I

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yeah, I think it and I think the more I consume the more ill it makes me feel like, I feel like it traps me why what is the what's the what's the actual feeling? I feel? I feel like it's sometimes it's like paralyzing for me to then create so I feel like I think about that I'm not creating and I'm consuming and I'm watching all this shit. And then I feel like fact I'm in this pattern. It's like a cycle cycle.

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Yeah. And so it's it's almost like, like I was thinking about it potentially in the idea of comparison. So it's like where what I found interesting is I've seen like probably half a dozen post the mentioned that people's friends that are currently in Europe. Yeah. And people like I've seen more people talking about their friends in Europe than I probably saying posts of people in your and what I was thinking about was the that quote around my comparison is the thief a thief of joy. And so if comparison is the thief of joy and social media, is this feed that it gives us these small moments to compare ourselves in our current situation with others? Doesn't that mean that's almost like the thief of time? Yeah, not to get super profound, but um, yeah, I just think that it's, um,

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I I really wonder about, I don't know how much joy social media is actually bringing people on a date level. It's, it's very surface, it's, I think it is it does rob you have a bit of joy. Like, I it's probably time that I felt worse after looking at social media or have Yeah, before I even started, and it's Yeah, I've thought I would love to go and disconnect and, and before too, but then it's, I think we're in this we're in this tricky part, because we're creators and is a part of our business. And so maybe it's an exclusive which is putting out there, but it's in our best interest to optimize what we're doing. Like I think about, you know, I both talked about the strategies of, you know, some people using on social media that is, like, just comes across as a bit gross, or like, you say, that they're trying to build up a following. It's like, maybe the, my aversion to that actually is detrimental to the thing, you know, increasing that for the outcome of the business or to build influence online to, you know, it's like for these podcasts we think about how are we going to get this out there doesn't just tell it, yeah, it doesn't just find its way into people's ears. There is a level I think that

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Yeah, like with the, with the social media, like one of the other observations is been how I might not see someone in a while. And then they've through social media, they've manufactured their viewpoint of me, whether good or bad,

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through social rather than through interactions. I've had like cases where it's like, people of all of a sudden being really weed and I'm like, hang on, I haven't actually, we haven't really had any, we've had normal interactions in person. And then so becomes this really weird thing where I'm like, actually, I think that maybe there must be something that you've interpreted through my online communications that have made you feel weird.

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Yeah, and then that's your personal brand. So then that's, I mean, something we've never had to think about before. It's very fresh 2004, wasn't it? Facebook, starting to them, unfortunately. But it's like, we've never had to think of our personal brands at the scale that we do now. And social media is the platform where you are communicating personal brand, whether you like it or not, whatever, you post your comments to people like every interaction. And so it is probably something within your madness of JJ world that you've, you know, you've done some crazy story about this thing that you were curious about you like a dog with one day because I'm the dog with three days. But you've been so so excited about something someone's just haven't understood that it's like, do you see that post I put up and also like

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massage parlor in St. Kilda that was, I thought it's just a normal sized pile. But they got closed down because there were a brothel and I and I filmed Amy going out to it. And then she turned away and I and I said I was going here. So do you always look happy when you come out of that place? Anyway, I was thinking about and I me was like, Oh, don't post that I was I should I post that it was one of the best parts by the way in I got a lot of traction but it was a bit smarty pants probably better than it was me that I was saying looks happy that a bloke but I was like that I was just breaking down even that simple like that single post to go. What is that communicating? And what why is it worth it? And I was like, maybe I'll just try it because I saw maybe it's like a bit insensitive to people that end up being in brothels and having to work there and I'm being insensitive as I I could go down that and then just not do anything but just just to share that to travel long city watch that 10 times laughing his ass off thanks trip

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the story Yeah. And the story about I'll post it up on our I'll post it up on how the daily talk show if you haven't seen it

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yet. Give it a give it a new bit of late

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you've. You've you've been at we've been able to reconcile hear your thoughts on it. And we're gonna go hard. Let's do it. A sponsored post isn't that crazy though, that that's how much thought went into that thing. And I just like I was just consider it even though we're posting about was like, This is way my mind is you. And this is what social media does. It has the world thinking in a way that they've never had to think before.

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But I think that the really interesting thing about it is that there's sort of almost this

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paradox. I feel like I use this phrase every single show now. But the paradox of empathy, which is like we in that moment, you you were bringing a little extra empathy that you normally wouldn't bring, which was how, how is this going to make all these people who follow me feel right. And on the flip side, we have, we then lose empathy because we don't have the face to face interaction. So people judge each other on the one post that I do, and they try and create a narrative around are they posting this but they probably thinking this or you know, I think it's, um, I think that it's, it's, it's very common, like I made a short documentary when I was 17 all about social media and it was a time where teachers were freaking out about it. And it was like it was everything in the news and what we were even studying in school was like the effects of social media and the negative side of social media so I think that it's a it's a

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it's something that's been out there and it's such a common thought yeah but I also maybe like we can look at it in a different angle which is you know, what is the point like what is the point of me posting I've definitely

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removed the amount that I'm posting like reduced sorry the amount that I'm posting yeah and I think that part of it is doing this podcast because I have a level of self expression a different way yeah

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maybe it is that's what you hit the nail on the head finding the thing that's most congruent to who you like your values or your art your craft because maybe it is for the person that posts

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on social media every single day like there's a thought like I think it's so hard like look at Craig half and my friend it's like he's he's does the whiteboard lessons where he literally just one day decided to write what he might just put into a status on a whiteboard and took photo and put up and it's just gained so much traction and it's changed his world in terms of he's online presence and why he's able to communicate with these audience and who he has consuming content so it's like he's he's Why is probably more thought out the most people's and so he and his message is very clear in terms of what he's trying to do. And he's been end but and I think maybe you maybe you've dipped your toe in and pulling it out.

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And well, I think there's a difference, right? Because what what hops is doing is taking the

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is being a thought leader, he's taking his thoughts and he's in his ideas and he's elevating them versus if you're just posting your holiday photos or posting stuff around your house you are the

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You are the protagonist of that story I reckon what what Craig opera is doing the protagonist is actually the ID and he has he's things around like yeah, how he's earned voice but I think that it's harder to I'm not saying he's face every single time you're not saying like you us saying

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a whiteboard with text, which I think has a different emotional response to actual photos of people. Yeah,

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what did they say? There's the more there's never been people more connected but disconnected.

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Yeah. And and I think that it's Yeah, I don't know. I think that the the question that I'm even asking myself and maybe this is helpful for other people as well. But it's like who is someone who haven't seen for as same say, the last few months who you have chant you had a negative response about them or thought about them in a negative light, who at the time when you're hanging out with them, you're absolutely fine. Because I reckon there's been dozens of people in my life who, every time I catch up with them, I love it. And I have a great time and then slowly the longer that we just connected through social media and not having that one too. One interaction Yeah, you start to doubt of their character or things like pull a captain and takes Mrs. That pull your fucking Haiti and I stopped fly kicking model and you kept your personal brand is coming across like shit, but my thinking is always been, but I don't know if it is, I think this is the thing I reckon that the, the feelings that we have about other people and what they're doing on social media probably has more to say about the person who's having those critical thoughts, and then what the actual person is doing. Yeah, but Okay, so that's haters, right? You can't help have people hate on you, when you're becoming successful and living a life. So then all you can control is how authentic you obeying and how what about if the haters, your friends, like the question that I have is whether people who are close to you if they you know, if they giving off that vibe, or the you know, if you've you're feeling that way about a close friend or a friend or whatever it is. Maybe you're not a hater. I just think it's, um, yeah, it's

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it's a level of hide it because I don't have any friends that are my true true true friends that I feel that way. And I have plenty of us

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like associates there. I that I do feel like that. But I find the kind of thing but i don't

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i don't sound like you're some sort of,

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but I can't control how other people feel. So what are you can draw levels how you

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acting and putting yourself out there. That's all you can do. And how someone and I get it. And I don't think we can avoid it. Because it's like, if you hang around that person every single day, you would probably find something that pisses you off. And now do you think I'm more annoying being away than I am when we're together all the time.

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The more annoying when you're and all the time. But that's why I love

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reckon that like if you did a conceit. deconstructed, do you think that's the case? Do you think that the distance makes the heart grow fonder? Or do you think that there is a level that people think like when you're why you get a bit disconnected with a more disenchanted because you're not spending, you're not being able to empathize constantly and be in it to 100%, you are just

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even you I feel more disconnected to you. Just because of the distance. We're talking all the time we're doing five shows away, but in comparison to what how much time we actually spent together before. Yeah, definitely. But it doesn't change in the other thing. It's like it is what it is.

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You can't really don't like you're breaking out with me where I

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was gonna do with the text, but I'm

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gonna do it on a podcast. It's a very modern day thing to do. Matty molten center, say, sent us an email with them a podcast recommendation. But he also said, He's being smashing the 711 coffees and I can't believe how bloody good they are. But how much cutthroat is that have

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done, this is the thing like, it's just I don't know what it's taught us. But it's definitely go cutthroat, right? say,

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Oh, there goes the belt. Yeah,

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it's a you'll hear it seven times for 7am in the morning. What are you doing today? Just

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today, so it gives a shit but I'm interested. So people have tuned out.

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So we're in Serrano, at the moment. medieval town been here for seven days, had a blast spent a bunch of time with Chris out a b&b host who's been so fun and super interesting. And I've been reading his book about Serrano. And that's been awesome. We're heading to Rome today. So we we drive an hour to a train station, drop off the car, and then we'll be in Rome by around midday. Awesome. And where are you staying at a house or an apartment and know we're staying? What's the the place co breezy?

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What was it

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p out? Send a minor thing that I should say something and say hey, Piazza, but it's your PR is like a 10 as a square. But, um, that's one thing that I learned. Yeah, just making it the Piazza. But um, yeah, man. I'm having heaps of fun. And the we've, we've, it's been interesting. I was asking Rob ward of quad lock who's made of ours, and I always love his thoughts and feedback and stuff. And I was asking him about the show and stuff like that. And he was saying it definitely it sounds different. And even this morning, I woke up like, we we're going to do the show at six. I woke up at five and like, it's so funny. The the lizard brain which can sometimes happen, which is like, yeah, this isn't the best that we could be doing. It's a little bit harder, remote. And it's really interesting in those moments to be able to flick it. Have you found that you've through that and doing this different thing? It's almost like starting afresh 100%

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I just, I haven't been able to kick called for two weeks, three weeks to fact.

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Yeah. So yeah, I

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just want to go home and slave but it's good. It's but this is it's like fronting out doing something creative that stretches you that's like, legit if you can hold on get through the time it's like it's not always fun. Nothing's nothing is always fun. Even the phone that's not a reason to end shit. And that's

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and I think that that's been the biggest lesson for me. So it's like, it's like this compounding thing where it's like you think about investing or whatever people always late, you know, grab been run early, where it's like, actually what happens if I just stay in? Keep going?

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Sorry. Yeah, it's interesting. Any anything any other internal business at your end? What's anything else exciting happening right? It's it from your background we got an email from Michelle as well who sent a great article around subscript digital subscriptions and basically how we don't own anything anymore which I can sort of relate to because I've just got old days you don't realize how many subscriptions You have until you you know while we're traveling we've got like a better budget so I'm being very deliberate with okay the company's not spending money outside of the subscriptions I have yeah you can see but then you just you really start to say hey I checked your P o box

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oh great

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anything nothing

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really absolutely not I there was one one later that was I think it's just like a bank statement

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February but I opened up if I didn't

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it's probably the credit credit Collison feedback, right. Matt if you if you enjoy the show, and if you've listened this far means that you might not hiatus so you're the perfect person to leave us a review for Apple podcasts or through iTunes we had a couple we had one person TJ say that that way sometimes around a bad day they still like listening which I can 100% for light to if you hear a Jehovah's Witness yeah yeah yeah stuff up front and you'd probably agree

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I'm guessing that that the Christians that right that feedback

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from the fact is probably my wife

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exactly she's just cried it's just go by why we got seven iPhones and different accounts What are you doing just hide trolling you on every single one of them daily talk show everyone Hi. The Daily talk show.com if you want to send us an email as well. Okay, tomorrow as well. We'll see tomorrow. Bye.