#119 – Sam Mac, this is your life/

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Wait a minute

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conversation, sometimes worth recording

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with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket.

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The Daily talk show we're in a soft in Sofitel in this office. Very fancy we got Joe Joe we got Sam Mac.

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Hello, guys, thank you very much for having me on. Want to point out it's not a regular thing that I tell them that I just bring two dudes into my hotel room like to do a podcast. This is this is an unusual for me, but

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it'd be happening more than you think around the world now just do it in a room

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in a hotel room. Yeah, during the podcast. Well, we will literally

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I think that happened more in cafes because they can't afford to be in a hotel room. Like dedicate themselves to podcast. I mean, you guys are the exception.

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You live in Sydney. Yeah. And so are you down for work? What's going so

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in in Melbourne for a couple of days for work. So a big part of my job with CHANNEL SEVEN with sunrise is travel. So for example, last year, I did about 180 flights related flights, online. Mainly Qantas. But occasionally if we need to go to specific destinations, or certain times, Jetstar or virgin, I never used to think I was an airline snob until I started this job.

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What is it? What's your take on it? What do you like? My take

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on it. And the nicest way to put it is you get what you pay for? So if you want to save $70, but potentially not make it to destination? Sure go with that certain airline that everyone knows the one I'm referring to? Yes, yes. If you want to be treated well and like a human being and with good service and empathy, then choose the one that Carrie wants mispronounced on the project.

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I mean, what Josh is taking over in his head, is that how many points you direct out? I could tell that how many flaws

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Yeah, like what what do you? What do you use your points?

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Well, that's the thing. I've got so many points. But when you get holidays in my role, I don't want to fly anywhere. I actually don't want to be at an airport. And I don't want to go on a long drive. And you know, my friends are like, let's do a three day getaway. I'll do them all the time. So I actually just want to sit at home, watch Netflix a lot of the time or play guitar.

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You're the guy who uses these points to get words.

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I'm so you know, to me, it's like I'd love to be doing 130 flights a year. It sounds glamorous. What are you doing half the time that you're away.

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Travel takes so much longer than people think it does like travel, you know, you might say Sydney to Melbourne great. It's it's a one hour flight. It is a one hour flight. But you're going to look at Site 45 minutes to an hour to get to the airport, you got to be there obviously time before your flight. So there's another hour, then say the flight delayed half an hour, it happens a lot, then Chuck that in the other half of the flight, then you go to get to the cabin airport, you're looking at six hours, honestly five or six hours for a one hour slot. So that time adds up. And that's a big part of the job is just keeping yourself occupied reading, writing, listening to podcasts, and then bringing those back to your hotel room. Whatever, whatever checks

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you getting up very early coming for people that don't know what your job is. What's your

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TV weatherman slash freestyle rapper?

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Yeah, the wrappings taking off on the

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TV. The funny thing is, like it's the the amount of weather versus on the content is pretty interesting, right? Like, it's like you I think you're a great example of the fact that it isn't like it's so much more than them. Whether you do it like it's a wrap, he said the thing

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is that context, last year, I released, re released the song strawberry kisses by Nikki Webster as strawberry kisses. 2017 basically involved us putting a bit more of a beat into the song and me doing a 12 second rap sequence in the middle of it. And it made it to number eight on the iTunes charts. It's probably one of my greatest accomplishments.

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And so what are the constraints? What are you working with in regards to like, what what do you told by producers in regards to what you can do?

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So you're right, it is whether and obviously, there's content around that if it was just them trying to me every half an hour to read the weather, that would serve a purpose, but it would be pretty boring. So a big part of my role. And what I like about my role is what obviously we're travelling, but so much of it is studio base and a lot of studio based content is pretty serious, you know, might be a big news storey that could be, you know, terror attacks these days is a lot of that kind of stuff. So that's going to take up a big chunk of the show. But then when they cross to us, we're out and about, you know, and one of the things I love about our role is it's it's quite raw, like we are actually in someone's house in their backyard, we are actually at their local Sporting Club, we're at their schools where I like that big. It's not that those places aren't built for TV, they're not set. So that's where you find real people and real storeys and real characters and, and the fun and, and I'm a big fan of giving people an opportunity. A lot of TV, I think too much TV these days is so pre planned and down into degree and yeah, and it's like you say they sell side that. Whereas a big part of what I love to do is literally just put a microphone next to that little kid's mouth and see what happens. And if he phrases or if he says something wrong, you just add to it, you run with it and you kind of tidy it up or if he falls off a hoverboard like you

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showed me that video.

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Explain what happened. I love the idea of people who don't know who I am listening to this and just thinking that I'm a rapper who pushes people up.

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Far off.

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So what happened with that one was we were in Adelaide, I didn't have the job at this point. I was just filling in. We were in Adelaide pro Boxing Day show. And it was the year sort of two or three years ago, you know, when hover boards were massive, yeah, sort of six months and this kid got a hoverboard for Christmas. So he got it on Christmas day and then was still learning to use it and the next day, and then we were in the Rundle mall in Adelaide, and I said to him before the cross and his dad, I said, Hey, could we do a thing where we interview guys about Christmas? And then maybe at the end of the cross if it's okay, I get the hoverboard and I ride off? You know, on the hoverboard? I mean, that's where the man when I want Yeah, absolutely. Sounds great. So then we do the chat.

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I'm thinking this actually could be replayed in a court of law.

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I'm a great guy. So we do the chat on the WeChat about Christmas Day. Charlie shows us a little bit of a ride of his hoverboard. And then you know, as we sort of pre planned I go, Okay, well, let me go. I've never really had a shot one of these Can I have a guy? Now the thing about hover boards, they're hard to get off. Yeah. And that's one thing that a lot of people don't realise because if you take one leg up, the white is transferred, and then the motor sort of pushes it almost in a circular motion. I want to say that so but the problem was, as I put my hand on his back and said, All right, I'll have a gun at the split second I make contact with his back he lifts his leg up so it just looks up on the wall.

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And even though I look back at and I know that I didn't. Maybe I did.

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But I watched it and I just said I it looks like he's pushing it off. The key he's thinking he's in a bit he's confident is all hell on this thing until he did the amateur move of lifting one leg what was

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done that had had to get off then

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nothing was supposed to have a balance, like you're supposed to be like up against the wall. You can you can jump off

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or you can you can do it. It just depends if you leaning white into it, because it works by leaning forward makes it go forward. So you got one foot that's leaning forward on my neck.

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I'm one of those

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you would like he said, bye. I guess I was I was mortified. I I honestly thought that I'd badly injured a child. But not only that I'd done on live TV and clearly I was responsible for it. So if you watch the clip back, I asked him about four or five times Are you okay? Hey, Matt here, okay? Please don't sue us. You're okay. You're okay. Thankfully, he was okay. And he's dead. Thought it was the funniest thing.

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To buy that sort of gift. You've got to be willing to crack Scott. Absolutely. What was the internal discussions after Was there any conversation like with the producers or anything?

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I'd always presume that's a good thing. And I'm not

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you savvy with social media. Did you at least go Mike, can you send us a clip?

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Because my friends had that up, I'm pretty sure before the segment and finish on line. My favourite was one of my mates actually put the clip up. But then the moment that I make contact with Charlie, the Curb Your Enthusiasm music.

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I'm really sorry, you a guy.

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Yeah, the context for people and it's even context it this is the first time we're meeting in person. It's crazy. It's but now, but our connexion goes back as far as like 2004 or five. What do you like I didn't Instagram post a while ago about some emails that we had, like 15 like 1415. When did your first post that would have been maybe like a year ago or something. I just I love getting nostalgic.

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I love that you are Sam, like he's run across it.

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And it scares me, the archiving system, you must have like,

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you know, so you'll love this. Then if you like the archiving system, I went back to my email and found an email that you sent in 2005 to you called the cadets, which were single best interviewers of our show. And the thing was that you were it was so old school that you didn't even bother like hiding everyone's email addresses, you had just written to 50 people. And it just like, so I decided this morning, I like reply hold and because you wouldn't have got a message

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in the background just before I hosted a and produced, I guess, my own community TV show while I was in Adelaide with a group of friends. Now some of the friends were friends at uni. Others were kind of people in radio, it was basically whoever I could get a favour off to pull this community TV show together. It was called Sam Mac single bed. And it was hosted from my actual single bed and my own apartment and we go around and I just

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changed my

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Exactly. And we did two seasons of it. And it was one of the best things I've ever done. Like we made so many mistakes, but it taught me a lot and I guess I got comfortable and being on camera and and yeah, so that I know I can't started the TV thing. And that was like you say 2003 or four.

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I would have been 20 ish. Yeah,

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I just I have a single bed.

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No, it's alarming, isn't it? I lived in the tiniest apartment. And that was that was

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the whole shtick You made my actual life. Greg

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had a water bed until he was about 24. Or no.

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water bed probably also had like a mirror on the ceiling.

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Red Velvet shape. Right. But yet, so you were on Channel 31, which for our international listeners is community TV. You're not getting paid anything for that. Yeah, you getting the show up. But it was syndicated across to Aurora. That's right on Fox. We hit the

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big time, which is the national community channel.

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Which was like it's funny when you say people's resumes when they say you know, they had a show on Fox on the next thing to do is to read work. It was time. Yeah, nine times out of 10 just said fox is probably in a row.

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I was on TV. Yeah. Are you looking for

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that time table shopping at Lewis have been on TV.

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Very true. The so I was you know, you know, 14 year old or whatever, watching the show. And I was just I would get obsessed with it. I was showing Tommy before a YouTube video that I posted in 2005, which was a film clip that I made, which was inspired by what was that? Was that song The song?

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Yes, you was right back by Frankie. Yeah. So you did it.

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You did a music video on like for the show? Yes. That and I do. Like I then did my own parody. Yeah, that's something

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that's really cool. And I knew that you were kind of into XRP writing to me a few times. Yes. Believe it or not, we weren't getting flooded with.

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Still not.

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But here's the here's the here's the storey that I don't think I've shared with you before. So you were doing hot 30 Yeah, countdown. And so I remember like I've got old emails where I was emailing asking Hey, what are you up to sam i think at a time did you have a stint just being a music jock as well? Yeah, absolutely. And so I

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have a cat button.

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This is literally just a profile now just just to close the loop quickly from the

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The only reason I've done the podcast it's for 100 and odd episodes. And you

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know, this isn't actually my

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I thought it'd be fun to this morning. Got this the email that you sent back in October 2005. We are saying hey, cadets, Australia's lowest budget TV show Sam Mac single bed is back with a brand new six part series and all the sudden so this is pre promo for the second season. Yes, exactly. And so what I reply all this morning and just say Hi guys, I've got Sam I know it's been 13 years I've got got Sam Mac on my podcast say that I know. It's been 30 days. Yeah. And the thing was, I got flooded with emails and they also address not found this so i got i was like man, Tommy I've got 28 miles and they will mail delivery subsystem era saying that it couldn't couldn't be sent to me come back. I'm just trying I don't think not yet. By the end of the show where there was so many funny hotmail like it I can read out all these emails because they don't exist anymore. I don't know if you know small raindrop at Big pond.com today Joe market I hug.com today you know there's there's a lot of old school babe 2000 dot

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yahoo.com today, school by I used to have hip hop on the school 123 dot com

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Will you a hip hop enthusiasts into it? They want to be rap dreams coming true today interviewing.

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This is really my favourite one. Kill us about k ay ay h underscore. underscore.

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Yeah, that's it. What was your school a man? Well, that's the thing I sent mine. I'm pretty sure this would have been sent from Mr. Sam mcmillan@hotmail.com.

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He had the single bed white.

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Well, that was shortly. But yes, so I when I was about 12 or 13. I set up an email and I thought it'd be really funny if I make my email really formal. Like I'm a businessman. I might have Mr. Sam mcmillan@hotmail.com and I still have it to this day. I still use hotmail that was fine without even on CHANNEL SEVEN email.

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Well, we know what the businesses like you're gonna be out of that in a few weeks anyway, right?

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longevity? Yeah. So yeah, I missed the 7 million at hotmail.com. I'm going to get so many emails now. There's a number of times. But that is crazy. So what were you expecting?

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Yeah, I didn't know what was gonna happen. I literally only did an hour and a half ago. So was the day still

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say what comes out of it was gonna

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get some real buzz for Season Three of single

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temptation underscore us underscore yours. 1203 sexual.

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Yeah,

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that was a time that was

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the number 69

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This is a great one. This is someone who was starting sort of fresh with a new email account. It was New Year's boy at hotmail com.

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That works and he

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comes out and yeah, with it within you know, so I am, we have a history. And so we have a history.

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Yeah, on Twitter, you sent me a message. It was nice. You said I love your videos, don't

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know that you've done some really good stuff that I think was quite unique. Like it was kind of warm, if that makes sense. Like a lot of videos. Certainly a lot of the videos that I see on Instagram or Twitter, YouTube, you whatever you want to talk about ice it's kinda like funny like a comedy and he was had fun in it, but also had heart and that's a big thing we try to do with without sort of sunrise weather segments when we can is to shine a light on someone in the community is doing something nice or share a nice storey because there's so much just nasty negativity, like both in the news and on social media. That if you can play a small part in celebrating someone or making someone feel good, then why would you do that? So yeah, that's one of the things that struck me about your videos, a couple of hours watch was like, Oh, that's a really nice warm feeling about thanks for

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watching 2015

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super critical after that rhythm change, and now he does prank.

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But you know, like, I even at that time, I remember I was like, kind of just starting out doing all my video stuff. And it's just a game of chipping away. And yeah, it's always like what you've been doing. Look at you. That's like 14 years ago, I was.

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I was selling Tommy in the car. I was like you have been such a big influence in this. Because you're someone who has been constantly doing and I've it's been so fun seeing because the path to the world that you're in is just, there is no set path.

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This is a big plug for a sponsor.

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It is It's that thing of just like I'm going to try this store. I'm going to try that dope. I just really want to quickly tell the hot 30 storey which was I was listening to you when you when you got the hot 30 minutes.

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Yeah, so the whole 34 people Sorry, I'm a bit of a reset.

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Because Josh assumes everyone knows. You haven't heard of single loser.

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30 is a national radio show the stereo network. Basically, it's all in the title. They do the hottest 30 songs. It's a countdown, but it's also an interview show. And you have a lot of callers from around the country calling through to vote and you know, people like Kyle Kyle Sandilands used to do it. Yeah, it's it's a very popular thing that was around for a number of years now that aren't quite the hot 30. But and then your version

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of it's a big deal. I'm guessing for you at the time was to Sydney to do it. What did you Yeah, yeah.

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Well, you are on a time that radio was really really popular with young kids like just sitting there and doing homework listening to right. Yeah,

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it was a big deal, particularly from me from Adelaide, because you kind of I want to call it an inferiority thing. But sorry, I just want someone coming.

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Bridgewater,

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we could have had an exclusive chat.

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That was safety.

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Water every 20 minutes. I said, Mr. Josh?

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Yes, sorry, the foot to get an opportunity to host the hot 30 I think initially was just feeling like for a month or something like that over Christmas was a big deal for me. Because in Adelaide, you never really know if you're going to get those types of opportunities. Often they do go to people in Melbourne, Sydney just because they're front of mine. Yeah. So that was pretty cool. Craig Bruce was the the content director of that. And it helped that he was based in Adelaide but was the boss of the whole network. And he gave me the opportunity

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had you landed? Before we get back to Josh his storey? How did I land

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from doing what I was doing at si FM satellite, just doing a lot of hosting a lot of CNBC lean on kind of write things for the station, I'd host a lot of events out and about I was doing community TV shows up, I guess if there's one thing that I've always done is have a go, you know, like really put yourself out there and and have a crack and just accept that not everything you do is going to be perfect, or it's going to be the winner. But it might lead to something and it might lead to an opportunity or it might lead to just meeting someone. So you might go I'm going to try this interview thing down at you know, two hours out of the city. Let's see where it goes. And you meet someone then who you work with on something else. So yeah, that that's something that I've always found beneficial across whatever form of work I've been doing is have a go or take the meeting or spend half an hour with someone look at today through the podcast. Yeah, you know, I'm, I'm into that because I know that when I did when I was starting out if people you know, like, like Josh would write to me that I would always take time to write back.

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Yeah, and so the hot 30 like, I remember when you were doing the music stuff at Adelaide. I was in 2005 I was asking you Hey, Sam, have you got Oh 2006 said have you got a podcast of your I just wanted to hit your brakes. A little bit between this song is it probably didn't justify podcast, but I was asking for it. But anyway, you were on how 30 and I was listening all the time to paint the picture. It would have been summer of six I was in year 10 offspring poster on the wall. No, this the song at the time was beyond sighs irreplaceable to the left to the left. And I just bought new speakers at the time. So I was blasting that song. And I would even practice like talking to the videos and me talking to the posers. Josh the hot 30 countdown. Right so I'm so sad. Like I would listen online through like, you could even listen FM like it was a national show. But I was streaming it and I heard there was a there was a competition that was on. And I think it was around. It was a Jesse McCartney competition. I know it was around a blonde

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for about three months.

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And the thing was, we're gonna get a lot of hype.

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And feel free to send us an email high fidelity talk show.com if you do have any Jesse McCartney storeys there was a form on the website and it said, you're running a competition to win phone chat with Jesse McCartney. And all you had to do was in 25 words or less say like, what, what you would say if you were to break up with your partner. And so you had to like would you say so? I wrote it. But what I didn't realise was that was

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someone being broken up with JC

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he's on the phone.

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That's exactly what he did. So what happened was

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I filled out I finished with the lifeline number.

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So he so I put the details my details in

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yet and you have someone to break up with.

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So this was the thing that so I get a call from the producer. And its really excited when when you get a call from the producer. It's so exciting because I have this certain I've worked on you know, Dr. shows and faith angels and stuff like that, but there's a real sort of like, Hey, now look, we'd love to get you on your the they said you're the only guy that put their name down for this competition. So would love to get your girlfriend's number and we'll just patch her through and then we'll just get you to break up with her on it.

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And Whose idea was it? Was it your idea? Honestly, don't think that was my idea. But look at that point, you just go with it take credit.

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It was led scenes things have happened since and people are less likely to do that. produced the stiff. So anyway, they I didn't have a girlfriend. And so the moment I was it was this really weird thing of like, Okay, do I tell them what do I do? So I just gave them my friends number female friends name female friends would her I'll Risa and then so they said okay, we're just going to give her a call. Now so just And so, as soon as I hang up, I dialled the number I said, Hi, Lisa, I'm about to call you I'm going to break up with you for a phone competition and we were in a chat with Jesse mechanic.

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And I didn't even

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I didn't even give a fuck about Jesse mechanic. It was just because I loved I loved everything about this where I just yeah, it was getting it was a big trial. Yeah.

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She would have felt

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and then so I remember doing a whole bit a bit on like I've noticed that you took me out of you top friends on my spot.

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You guys would have been frothy

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And so anyway, I yeah, I won and so I gave I said was just packing up my apartment because I'm about to travel and I found all the old CDs. Jesse McCartney signed CDs. I got the CDs because I thought man this is gonna be worth something. I can have the phone chat. You can have the phone chat with Jesse McCartney and I got all these DVDs

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for Jesse having to talk to these people

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being an instrumental part of a breakout human Marissa now Mary

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storey contact with Yeah, should I reach out to that we should close the loop there

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was a look see if she ever spoke to

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definitely spoke to him. But what we'll discuss I've no I'd like what do you say to a 16 year old? Awkward it'd be pretty

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cool. Wouldn't it be glorious you

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know I used to be strippers him? I didn't know that. No, I really when I was 19 I toured New Zealand. Oh wow. And with like, it was like manpower like full stage show some shows Hello manpower.

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This gets better. So now I've invited a mouse.

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And we've actually got Jesse seeing live

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though, was that? We did meeting greets. And we once did in this little town called waggon ui or fundamentally however you want to say

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I'm sure they read the rice I

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think they say okay, yeah, sometimes I dropped that around New Zealand. Oh, you know it Okay, great. Anyway, we did this meet and greet and this woman had a broken leg and she was with a mom and our lovely sweet very timid and I were there before the show having dinner with him some drinks by the end of the night I was so comfortable with us that we're having drinks after and the girl with the broken leg got so piece to she punched out the woman behind the bar My point is is so often those guys working nothing to talk about

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you're saying you've got more shame being apart it's

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it's that first segment the shame game.

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Did you know about the shipping brooch many times on

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the show we haven't spoken about on the show

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me a lot of emails at the time that

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the reason I particularly interested in this is I've just finished shooting a show where I strip interesting yeah and it's called the real Full Monty and it's going to be on CHANNEL SEVEN soon. Is it

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reality or is it

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it's a documentary and it's actually so it's a men's health focus and the kind of sets me and seven seven other prominent Ozzy's and the the sort of point to it is basically men still apprehensive about going to the doctor so this is supposed to encourage men to feel more comfortable with Dr. So and they're doing it in a fun way obviously otherwise it'll just be boring men sitting around literally

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nothing I hike on it like not even just like if it was a prostate thing. I literally like pulled my like ingrown toenail you're watching a G

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yeah

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and the thing is it's so there's something so depressing watching a YouTube video this dude being like oh yeah, I got this like from the hardware store this and you sort of judging them but as you also

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kind of pull it at least they've done something with it they turned it into a

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monetized content right

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behind it is if we can get our gear off in front of Australia slash 1000 people at the end more theatre all may watching this can get his gear off behind closed doors in front of the doctor because it could save his life and obviously they're expecting a lot of females to watch it Don't worry I'm not the only one stripping Chris Smith is also involved model slash former partner of gentlemen I resetting

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it was a reset but it was also a bit of a lot yeah, that's

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a lot of other things but I got a lot to get through you guys. I've had to look at the run sheet

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now it's it's basically if we can do it and it's also a lot of women watching for those guys and it's like they can encourage their husband their boyfriend their son to go and get their health their health yes because a lot of guys will literally go five years without going to a doctor so

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there's a lot of like overweight people in that seven because the other thing too is this something a bit rate if it was like we've got Chris Smith and Dr. Brandt like what's the ground I just stole the

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22 apps

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Todd Samson's the greatest he showed up again

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I won't name them but there's there's guys that you know have you more traditional body shapes you know people like myself for example

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did Adam Richard go I remember he was doing what was the water bomb showed you remember that

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it was the celebrity splash celebrity splatter Richard No, he's not in Canada does the choreography yes so we actually went to watch a male strip show is not about planning Did you say it was a plan based on pics I think I can't remember the exact name of it but pics appeal or something like that in Sydney and we interviewed them after was fascinating to hear. I guess you have a perception of what a male stripper is and what they would be like but then you meet them and why did I think you were just this one dimension because these guys were really interesting and had a lot of

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talking about

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pans. Well just quickly and it sounds like you've stripped for a cause and I was a dirty money How much money did you make? I'm not enough.

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I didn't get to because it was like you were with a group so if you do

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it was called the Sydney hot shots. Yeah, the guys who I toured with around New Zealand What

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was your got a lot of questions. But what was your trademark move? What was your go to song? And what was the most objectified you ever felt?

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I'll answer them in order.

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My move was like a almost like a breakdancing move. We do almost a backflip. Oh, well. On one hand, you sounded like your legs back over your head most of backflip. Yeah, but around so rather do a backflip you just like have one hand on the ground and then flip your legs back over your head. It's incredible. And the song genuine pony. Yeah, and the most objectified was when like we never got we never got full node and showed everything right. Yeah, but there was one point where you're in a towel and you drop the town. Your palms facing the state. But you know, behind you everyone saying your bomb. Yeah, I dropped the towel. I look to my right. A couple of sneaky girls that snuck up

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for the tab

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over two nights in a row that made Yeah.

32:45
Yeah, it was. Would you ever do it again?

32:47
No. Why? I like I'm it's so funny because I actually feel more uncomfortable about taking my clothes off. In settings now that uh, you know, having people around. It's weird. Did you feel sexy? Doing it? Oh, yeah, I think there's definitely an energy. It's

33:04
like, totally, there's an adrenaline that comes

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with it. And girls who are just like screaming it. Like I think it adds it's it is a sexual energy that it's creating. It's it's not good. It's not good for you. I

33:16
think you're right, because guys don't generally get to feel that feeling of being so desired. Yeah, so yeah, and I'm not sure I was standing next to Chris Smith.

33:32
The wife but I could see and I'm not saying that the other guys weren't you know, emotionally intelligent but they were caught up in you know, if your mom and my lawn you know, really, really and I was just like you got literally hundreds of girls he

33:50
literally took that I took that literally that my you mowing my lawn?

33:58
biggest compliment someone and neighbour could do is mow their lawn, isn't it? Anyway. You're talking about ponds and the the show the way that you were talking about the discovery storeys how you were discovered, you were part of a segment on si FM which was who wants to be a co host on air is that what it was called?

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So it was a pan on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. And the prize was to go to Edinburgh in Scotland and review x and the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. So I went, got to take my girlfriend at the time. And then when I came back, they offered me a job. So that was I was very lucky. A lot of people who get into Radio TV, kind of going to rural, you know, do the country thing, go to a small market and earn their stripes kind of thing for a few years. But he did that in Shepherd him for two years. And we actually our episode 50 of the daily talk show. We did it live at the deck which is one of the biggest storeys and us at shipping shipping and the crowds flooding in Yeah, what I realised was I picked when I was a stripper.

34:58
That's good five, we got free, free burgers and stuff.

35:02
Definitely the the path that most people take is that Yeah,

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radio. So I knew I was aware that I was lucky to have that opportunity. At the same time, I was also working and doing my own thing. So I was kind of working towards that. But yeah, that's how I started. So and I went from that to driving black thunders for a little while doing

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all kinds of copies of new weekly. But as we said before, it's like if you've been doing for years, does it feel for you? Like what's this key? What's the, you know, the weatherman on seven? What

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is it like? What is the narrative? Like? How do you how do you tell that storey? What's the future look like?

35:40
I don't I don't really look too far ahead, to be honest, because I also think that that's maybe something I've learned a bit over the years because you don't know, particularly in 2018 with the way things are changing with how people consume their media, and things like that, to be aware of, you know, what will commercial TV look like in five years? It's hard to forecast that, you know, you can obviously have guesses but so I don't look at it like that I look at it, like what's right in front of me, what can I do right now? And then what are some little side projects that I can keep taking along. And that's kind of what I've been doing for the last, I guess, almost 10 years now. And it's seems to be working to a point that I'm happy happy with it.

36:19
I think people looking from the outside and think you've landed the weather role. And it's like this, the big thing, but it's like what we heard when that viral video of you pushing the kid off. Mostly

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what happened,

36:34
what happened, but it's like you were filling in, and then it slowly so yeah, feel as impactful as a got us

36:41
to be honest, I probably underestimated how big this role is when I took it. So I initially filled in for a few weeks and didn't know this, but I was on air auditioning. So they they already knew that Edwina Bartholomew who did the role before me was moving on. And they were looking at a few people to kind of you know, who would be good for that slot. So if I was working with the project on 10, at the time, in a sort of casual role, and they were amazing, I loved working with him, I worked with him for quite a few years. So they were kind enough to let me do a few little spots here and there thinking it was just, you know, a couple of spots. And, and I didn't I honestly didn't think further than that. And I did it my style, I almost didn't like the metro whip around much just doing the project, I kind of treated every cross like that. So I would just try to come up with an angle try to do something maybe a little bit different. And one of the ways that I try to approach TV is, and particularly with breakfast TV is imagine that people are half watching because most of them are by that. I mean, most people in the morning having a cereal, getting the kids ready doing the lining, so they're half watching. So if I can do something that visually looks a bit unique, or captures someone's interest, that's half the battle, sounding like you really push this kid off of

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every day, at least one

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thing I said make noise, and it can be challenged screaming as he hits the ground.

37:58
Josh and I talk a lot about that, you know, this new empowerment, thinking of rather than waiting to be picked, you pick yourself hundred percent. And I think you know, me, trying to navigate my way into getting TV shows, and, you know, my career being in the hands of these other people that could pick me, which is why auditions feel so horrible and can give you some Yeah,

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because often in an audition situation, it might just be that you're too tall next to the person they have already locked in, like you can't and people take it. So personally, I understand why people take it personally because you put so much of your self into it. But yeah, I agree with that. You've gotta gotta sort of do your own thing and forge your own way as much as you can. And you know, you said before, does this feel like the big the big role the big thing? I underestimated sunrise in terms of like how many people watch it and how much a part of people's routine it is as like breakfast radio, like people have a real connexion to those voices, because it's the first voice they hear in the morning often and with TV, it's the first face they see morning. That's why they don't like myself in the other host to be too many of us away at the one time. You know, they liked Okay, of course he's away, make sure the salmon net, right, like they like to keep those familiar faces because the familiarity and an intimacy that comes with first thing in the morning. So I underestimated it, you know, within a couple of months of starting the job, I just realised that out and about, I realised that waiting at the airports people coming over and wanting to say, Hey, I love the show, or Hey, I remember when you did this or, and it was really nice. I just I guess I didn't have as much of that with the project. You know, because I wasn't on every time with the project. Whereas with this show with sunrise, I'm on seven times a morning every day of the week. So it's a lot you're doing a lot of TV, it's high turnover. But is it the big thing, it feels big to me. But then I have some people who will talk to me about I think I did called the B league which was like a comedy soccer five minute segment that I did on Fox Sports, which I loved and I was really passionate about because it's combining two of my love's comedy. And

40:00
this wasn't an aurora.

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But, and to football fans like and I see them at games, whatever, they'll come up like a man like what happened to the Bailey, I love it. I've got all the episodes data now they'll quite lines from sketches and said to them, that's that's the big thing. Whereas, you know, to a mom, in the suburbs of Sydney sunrise is the big thing. So I don't really think about it as in what's the big thing, I just kind of go, this is what's in front of me right? Now. Let's make it as fun and do as good a representation of myself as I can, and then see where we can go next.

40:34
It's like, I guess it's why you've kind of got to where you have, because it seems like maybe not looking at as the big thing. Maybe people are viewing things wrong in that respect of going on waiting for the big thing to happen. versus just, this is the thing, and then there'll be another thing and then yes. And the process, and I

40:52
think most most successful people I've met, they've had a number of big things, and they may have achieved something like it have been I want to, you know, record My dream is to record an album and release it and do well. And then they do that. And then they're like, I can do better I can do a better album, this or the highest my single got was number 46 I want to get top 20 you know people successful people keep, you know, reassessing their, their goals and what they want to achieve. And

41:20
I just think about a photo you posted with Julia, Gilad she, I mean, she got the big thing running the country. What do you what do you see for yourself after that?

41:29
Yeah, exactly. And I think you've got to be open to the fact that, yes, that might be the big thing of the time. But there's lots of big things. You know, there's so many things you can do in your career.

41:38
How How different is Sam Mac, within the context of the weatherman versus real life? You know, the person you actually

41:49
I think it's like a lot of media, like whether it's radio or TV, I think it's an amplification. So I don't think I'm as high as edgy or as annoying. In real life, I like to think that I'm not, I, I understand that I have short opportunities with my crosses, they're pretty short. They're a couple of minutes. So I want to cram a lot into that. I want there to be energy and I want that to be fun, because I know that it's often in the midst of bad news, sad news, storey so I want it to be smiling and fun and happy. So yeah, it's a version of me it's just an amplification. It's just a I guess a larger version of what I would naturally be like

42:27
to walk away from segments that you do and ever feel disappointed and how For how long? What does that sound like in your head? And how long does it last? That happens a lot.

42:38
Yeah, I'm pretty hard on myself but and, and my team, you know, I've got a great producer and you know, I and often it's something that's out of your control. So that's, I think that's a little bit easier to move on from but when you screw something up, like I find that harder to move on from that was something that I really struggled with when I got my first breakfast radio show in person. So I was working over there doing the The Breakfast Show and I was working with Basil's emperors who's you know, a friend of mine and and really good mentor and he he sort of taught me pretty early on because he's a bit older and he's kind of been there done that in many respects that something would go wrong. It's a the six o'clock break or 10 past six and it really annoy me and it would sort of stretched you want to enter to be there for the into the record. Yeah. And it just it wouldn't be there to be lingering. So he he noticed that and he kind of really early on off the air to said hey, I want to talk to about something he's I you know, when that happened to Tempah six today, because I really felt and I could tell that it affected you for the rest of the show. Like you weren't yourself. You were still thinking about it. And he's like, were you thinking about it like, yeah, was He's like, he's one thing that I could pass on to you. That stuff will always happen. No matter what level you're at, no matter what show you're doing, you will have things that don't go perfectly that don't go according to plan or don't get executed as best as you want. But that's 610 majority of people aren't going to hear that who's you know, the Primetime is seven, you've got 645 you got eight o'clock, you've got all this stuff ahead of you. So you need to accept that things will happen like that. And just go You know what, and he says this great quote he says that showbiz you like, just remember that I had those two words. And it really helps. Because when something goes wrong like that showbiz, I don't want that to affect the next five things I'm doing. Yeah,

44:18
I feel like that's easy when it happens at 610. But probably an extra level of consciousness when it happens happens at 730. Yeah,

44:24
it does, it does. But the same principle applies, you still have more of the show to do. And if it's something that you need to discuss with your team to ensure doesn't happen again, you do it after the show, I'm always a fan of after the show, sometimes the emotion gets a better view. And you're like, why did that happen? away? I was supposed to go to this, but it wasn't there.

44:43
As a kid, who am I gonna push?

44:45
What if it doesn't align? Like I've had moments on the daily talk show where I've said something? And then afterwards, I've thought about it. And like, I actually don't believe that, or I don't think about it enough to have put it out there and in the world. Yeah. How do you reconcile those feelings?

45:03
That's part of it. Andrew Denton famously talked about, you know, how he got so many great revelations out of his guests on enough rope was because he was comfortable sitting in the silence. So a 45 minute interview that you see on enough rope, they would have shot sometimes over four or five hours. That's That's a long time. And a lot of that is, is Denton, and this is my understanding that after reading a bit about it is he would just leave gaps. And people naturally instinctively want to feel silence. And that's when they'll often say something that maybe they haven't really thought through or don't hundred percent believe it's just like something they feel I've got to say something. And that's also when people reveal things that maybe they weren't otherwise going to reveal. So that's a really great interview technique for Denton. But this is an edited so terrible technique in this

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time of minutes. Well, we actually spoke about this, you said it yesterday, with the amount that we're doing, and even the radio show. It's a breakfast radio show, you get to come back tomorrow. But if you didn't get to come back for a week or two weeks, you'd be stewing on that show. Yeah, it didn't go right. And I even feel a bit about yesterday's show when we're recording this. Yeah. Which was, yeah, one of the episodes, we're doing so many pre record to remind. But I even felt that with yesterday, but then you get back in the saddle, and you get to give it another crack.

46:26
Yeah. And I think that, in a way, even though it's not a fun feeling, I think it's healthy, because it means you care. And it means that you want to, you know, rectify or ensure that thing doesn't happen again, if you can avoid it, do the steps in process to make sure that you can avoid that if you can. But if if you are that blog about it way, just like everything is whatever and you never even thought about it. I think maybe you're losing a bit of the care and the passion for really wanting to deliver something awesome. But the other thing is, I think the greatest in the world would have those moments, you know, where the, you know, David Bowie, when he was recording it a bit, he listens back and he's like, I'm not happy with how that code structure works or something like that. I think it's a natural performer, or a creative feeling is that it's part of you're always striving for this perfection that doesn't exist,

47:12
whoever everyone's got self talk.

47:14
Yeah. What is your self talk? Still?

47:21
Give me an example. So what are you going

47:25
around being I was experiencing frustration and a feeling of frustration over years, because I think I was thinking about how need to be further than I am. And also it was a storey going on in my head of this feeling restless yet real sense of and I met my wife and I got a bit of perspective on things and I think started happening for me, but I have lost that. And I know that that was just the scene going on in my head. That was I was on page, impatient. And so for me, it was all around. Yeah, the fear my internal feeling not having got far enough yet. Yeah. Not happening now.

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But I think it's it's been a TV guy.

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He's back in Denton, this I just want

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to say, seen his mock technique.

48:14
It's amazing. It's really solid. Just really?

48:20
Puppy. I bet. Yeah. If if someone was there talking

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back and forth, you wouldn't be missing a big

48:32
challenge.

48:34
His voice.

48:36
I think my my self talk has been around like I've been in the service industry in regards to like doing video production for since I was 14 years old. And so I think that I have taken a lot of the stuff in regards to how I communicate with people. And I think about that person's waiting for this thing. And so for me, I need to be very wary that I have systems otherwise. It's like having 20 different bosses. And I feel like I'm disappointing. Every single one of them. Yes, I think that that is for me, which is like, trying to give myself a break. But it's also realising that it's not giving myself a break, which is the is the drive. Yeah. So if I give myself a break, I want fucking do meet that client deadline. So I need some of that internal voice. Yeah,

49:24
yeah. Cool. All right. Well, mine, I guess, then, would be things like

49:31
backing yourself in, you know, and it's, it's a simple one. But in the sort of work that I do, you need to remind yourself that, yeah, you can do something here. And, and I'm always a fan of as a very basic filter, you know, how can I do something slightly different? Or, you know, I often think if it's an interview situation, okay, this person has been interviewed 25 times about this subject, what am I going to touch on them that they haven't touched on already, and sometimes that can be something totally left field, sometimes it can be a minute detail of something they've already spoken about, but honing in on that minute detail. Roy hg have a great kind of philosophy, which is they take something miniscule, and make it enormous, or they take something enormous and make it miniscule. And if you if you think about the funny Ryan, hg moments, he kind of let? Yeah, yeah, you don't remember that. That swimmer who liked it took him like 15 minutes to finish after everyone else. Like they made that like he meant they made him a hero. Any other commentators or, you know, a lot of performers would have just said, I mentioned it, that they took that and I ran with it. So I like that as a philosophy. Yeah, finding angles, backing yourself in, and, and being okay with celebrating a win. So, you know, you because we just spoke about those moments where it doesn't go, well, you're going to have those moments. But when you get something right, when you have a great moment, or a really fun interaction, or you, you make someone look great, and you know, celebrate that, because that's why we do it, you know, I don't do it. Because I want to make crazy amounts of money or anything like that, it's just not going to happen. You've got to do it because you get a buzz out of it. And because you like collaborating and working with other creative people, and you get that that's the payment. Don't tell them that. That's where I get excited when I'm having like a great moment with someone else who's got a similar mindset and having created moment.

51:29
It's amazing how easily you can forget the winds, and forget the feeling. Even though it is amazing. What that whole thing of like

51:36
you have a and you've mentioned it on another podcast, which is like you can have 100 people say something nice to you. But that's that one thing you remember word

51:45
for word.

51:48
They're gonna say you remember word for word yc.

51:53
Which is nasty united. We don't want to dwell on it.

51:56
Yeah, I mean, we can live

52:00
something nasty. There's been

52:00
some pretty hit once someone said you're not a real meteorologists. Which is true.

52:10
Man, yeah.

52:14
Look, I've I I'm getting better. I think as the years go on a blocking them out. I'm pretty lucky. I don't get that many. And this is awful. But I think women still get much more of that than men. It's still badly skewed that way. It's unfair. But it did the woman before largest women in media and TV and radio my experience over the years. I think they're just targeted more and by other women a lot as well, which is, which is horrible. But I look I just get things like, you know what, what, why are you on TV? And that's for my family. Yeah.

52:54
The interesting thing is that

52:57
trolling stop trolling mom, the great thing about even what you do is the I actually consume the bits that you do on air on your Instagram feed. Like I think what you've done really well is taken what could, you know, previously have been this mainstream thing and then repackaged it. So like, I don't watch morning TV? I did. I'm just not editing TV

53:23
yet. But I feel like I'm able to consume the best bits. Is that been? Anything going? No, that's that's a nice compliment. Yeah, it's definitely something I'm aware of.

53:32
He always gets his dress attire wrong, because you've said it's 1843 it's an old

53:40
it's, it's again, it's like I was just talking about its its celebrating the winds. And there's definitely days where we don't have that, like we deliver and it kind of can be that mainstream, you know, basic sort of TV weatherman role, there's definitely days like that, because it's unrealistic for me to think that every day, we're going to have those big moments, those memorable things. It's it's kind of like, I'm a soccer fan. You know, I use the metaphor of, in my first couple of months of the job, I was a guy who every time we got the ball was having a shot at goal, right. And that's so frustrating to all your other teammates, it's frustrating to the fans, because you're not gonna score every time. So as those months went on, as as time went on, and I wasn't doing that for the wrong reasons I was doing that. Because I came from a background of, you know, the project where I might only be on once or twice a week where I really wanted to make an impact and make my moment count. So but I didn't need to do that when I was on seven times a day. How did how do you actually translate that into a strategy? So you just you translate into a strategy by saying, I don't need to go for goal every single time. Sometimes I can let someone else have be the star. Which goal anyway, right? It is. Yeah, that's a big part of what a lot to do, and setting them up so that they get the goal because you get the goal when they get the goal. Yeah, you know, I don't know soccer, but

54:59
I think I get a

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bunch of guys on a field

55:04
annoyed about some streaming thing that should?

55:07
Yeah, that's a video replay system. But probably not the place to discuss that. But yeah, so I guess it's identifying and I'm thankfully I did that, it's okay to just play straight back. Sometimes we'll keep it really simple. But then when you have the idea, or the tools in place, really go for it really go for go hundred and 10% back self in. Because then your goal will have more impact than those because you've been sort of safe around, choose your moments. It's really it's choosing your moment. So but I wasn't very good at that in my first few months. And then I sort of started to just by pure numbers, like that's the thing that, you know, some when people do write something negative about me or criticise or like, Oh, well, that was lying. That was shit. Okay, yeah, maybe it was but and I never write this back from them. But we're doing seven of these a day. I'm at some archery school out in Toowoomba, like you come out here to seven interesting crosses, you can automate No offence

56:05
on these hover boards

56:08
have to hit them, and you will inevitably Miss.

56:12
Anyway. So it's the same outcome.

56:13
And so did you consciously become aware of this or did other people around you start going

56:19
i a little bit of both. But I like to think that I've got a pretty good sense, like, I know when it's been a great cross, and it's gone really well. And I know when it's been a bit lacklustre. And I think you just have to kind of choose your moments. And that's, that's one thing that I'm glad I realised and you still get it wrong occasionally. But that you got to take risks as well. You can't just be too safe. Otherwise, you're going to be beige and boring. And no one's going to remember anything you do.

56:42
If you connected with anyone cool. Over the shows, I talked about this a lot. Like I think what what we're doing podcasting videos, is that you messaging me, and then you know,

56:56
it's cool. Thank you.

56:59
them is a denim

57:02
stonewashed sort of, it's pretty cool. If somewhat if you were to cast a cool character. Yeah,

57:07
I'll rephrase it. Interesting. A co working No,

57:10
it looks like something an extra board where

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he's wearing the part. It's actually

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got my j string on.

57:17
Ready to go.

57:18
Yeah, I have so many.

57:22
Um, you know, discussing working on something with Chris Brown TVs bond. I bet not the rapper. Yeah. Yeah. It's sound like Bob Saget, weirdly. Like, how did that come about? I interviewed him. I did an interview with Bob Saget. And as part of us getting the interview, the PR people had a look at some of my previous interviews. And I think I did a thing with Will Ferrell and Steve Carell and a few other guys where I literally was allocated five minutes with them and use it the whole time. Yeah. So I gave them one minute h in the interview, and it meant that, like, Steve Carrillo telling an anecdote about seeing the opportunity, he gets cut off.

58:02
She'd be

58:03
we had this little time and from the chef's room, otherwise known as a kitchen.

58:09
But Bob Saget, so he watched his videos so then when I met him and did the interview beforehand, he came over to me and he's like, lovely interviews and what he's like, I've watched this this this I think it's really great. What you're doing you guys let's do something a lot. Oh, yeah. Cool is like let's do something different. So we we mucked around, where I did the first interview with him as Bob Saget, but also as Danny Tanner, so he was both people and he had to let keep swapping chairs. Okay, now question for you, Danny. And he quickly move over there. And the question for you, Bob, and it was so different, but I could tell that he enjoyed it. And that's what we're saying before. Like, if, if you're getting a buzz out of it, and if they're getting out of it, it doesn't really matter if people hate it, and more often than not, they won't because there's an energy that comes with that. So yeah, and then he's kind of kept in contact with me like will write to me occasionally, like, how's it going? He's like, he used to be a weatherman. David Letterman used to be a weatherman. There's a lot of people Brad Pitt is currently weatherman on a comedy show, but still, you know, I I actually embrace and enjoy the the absurdity of what this job is. It's really funny. Like, it actually taps in like, there's so many days where I cannot believe that it's my job. Like, I find it so amusing this, the scenarios that

59:18
I find myself in regionals, I think it's awesome. And Tommy, and I always joke about this, but there's a seriousness to it too, which is like, man, it'd be great to do like, just regional, multimedia regional productions, and just go Australia and all the and

59:32
I get into that. Yeah. And that's one of the great things about it. Like, as I'm not really much of a travel person, but this job is, you know, I am by default, but I'm having these amazing travel experiences and places I'd love to go back well, meeting people that I never in a million years, would have met. And actually he's he made a really good point, when we were talking about like this role and and how it's all going. He's always been really good and really great with his time with us, he has great reputation, really supportive of other people in the biz, he kind of said to me, I've never really looked at like this. But he said, the role that you have, as the TV weatherman, is a perfect vehicle. Because ultimately, you can just do a weather report, you can just be, hey, here's the weather update. But if you've got something, you can do something really out there really funny. And people like they're not expecting you every time because it's like when they throw to me, let's cross the same now for your weather. And yeah, the weather is going to be in there. But it's this amazing kind of under the radar thing. Whereas a stand up comedian or, you know, if you're doing a comedy show, it's like be funny, right? Whereas a weatherman is like, Hey, I'm just here to do the weather. But have a look nice, you know? So it's a really nice kind of under the right way to get in. And so

1:00:40
things yeah, over deliver. It's like in startup plan, they talk about minimum viable product. And in some regards, that's like, minimum viable product is about, you know, getting something quick to market, but it's also like it not getting in the way. Yeah, so that's like, your minimum viable product is the weather. Yeah. And then you can quick and that you're in and they can is the weather, yes.

1:01:01
Being a strawberry suit rapping with Nikki Webster. It could be anything. And the absurdity of it really amuses me and I do a thing every day, I send myself an email to the aforementioned email address. And it's, it's called humorous happenings. So I jot down a couple of things that have happened on air and a couple of things that have happened off air that eventually will become something it probably when I'm finishing the role in many years, I don't know. But it's it could be a stage live show. It could mean it could be a podcast could be I don't know. But I'm making a point of doing that. Because there's so many funny things that happen with this job. It is a silly job. It really is a silly job. But I love it. It kind of suits my, my attention span and my creative streak.

1:01:51
Is it lively?

1:01:53
Not really likely way here. And

1:01:57
it's not really know I've got a great producer who's also a friend of mine, Sean Flynn, aka the human emoji, he looks like an emoji one, the smiley face the glasses

1:02:09
can draw on it.

1:02:13
He's very good. So that makes a difference. And generally we have good because you're a little team, you know, you got a cameraman, you got a link operator, sometimes a sound guy. And they're often the same sorts of, you know, guys will do a couple months on couple months off, where it's Sean and I are on all the time. So you do have like a little, you know, to the team there. Plus, the other great thing about it is, we're in Adelaide quite often. That's where my family is all my friends, I can catch up with them. Or in Melbourne quite often, I got a lot of good friends in Melbourne. In most places. When we go back to Perth, I lived in Perth for a few years. So I've got friends. So in a sense, it's actually really good that you've always got the option to catch up with someone if you want. But through the hours, you're often like getting get your room service get to bed.

1:02:52
What's at this point of view Korea, the kind of process you go through when you find out there's an opportunity, you know, for me when I was going to ship it as well, I got no girlfriend, I want to get into this industry. I'll move wherever. And so for this, it's like your hundred and 30 flights a year. Do you have a missus?

1:03:10
Uh, no, no, I don't. And it would be, I think that would put a bit of extra pressure on it. It does make it hard in terms of like the dating life and things like that. Because often, I won't know when I'll have a free night in Sydney. And generally during the week, I don't do much because you're up at 4am. So you're not going to meet for dinner at 738 o'clock and get home at 10pm you'll be too exhausted. I mean, you can do that occasionally, but very rarely. So yeah, I think it affects that side of, of your personal life. But you know, there's also the fun side of that, which is you can kind of do whatever you want. You know, there's there's no rules and you're sort of running your own race.

1:03:44
What's the shelf life in a job like this? Do you think what's what was grant Daniels and then what was it? Well, great.

1:03:52
Show Yeah, yeah, he I think he only did a year

1:03:56
round. Daniel did two stints I think he did four years and then a couple of years doing other things and then went back for another couple of years. So I think you did seven all up over the course of maybe 10 years long time at Waner did three. And then she I went to her wedding recently, actually, she was you know, I guess the distance thing was becoming a bit of an issue. They're not an issue. But you know, they obviously she did her time. And she wanted to do other things within the show. So I signed on originally two years, I've just signed on again for three. So if I finished that stain, it'll be five years which will be coming for you. Yeah,

1:04:33
so. So 2020, you will still be doing it.

1:04:37
Yeah, haven't thought of that.

1:04:39
I'm just singing. I did an Instagram storey the other day, I want us to go to the World Expo 2020 in Dubai. Oh, wow. I don't know if you're planning on being there.

1:04:52
We did Dubai actually. So it's not out of the realms of possibility.

1:04:57
Yeah, well, we'll be doing episode I can't remember it like 900 or something. Yeah,

1:05:01
from a book what I'm having for dinner tonight.

1:05:05
2020, show

1:05:06
talk show type stuff, the the single bed type of thing. It all has this for me an opportunity. Like there's this sort of clear direction that you could go in? Are you looking at those those directions? much?

1:05:19
Yeah, I'm aware of them. But you, you can't completely control and like I could start doing my own thing on the side. But it's difficult at the moment with the time and energy levels with this job, which is quite an all consuming job. But I'm definitely looking at other opportunities. And seven have been pretty good that sort of talking about possible bits and pieces. But if you know what it's like the show's getting up and things like that, it's it's really hard to predict. I think you've just got to be open to it. And, and the good thing about this role is I can kind of do little versions of things that I would do if I had my own Tonight Show, for example, like I get to do little sketches, or I can literally see something online ago or I want to interview that person or I want to try this stunt or you know, like I've got, I've sent three pages of ideas to my producer for things that we want to do this year. And some of them we've already done, others are still on the list. So I think as long as I'm creatively satisfied and and that means that, you know, in an average week, I might do two or three things that I really want to do. And then five or six things that you know, the network want me to do. And that's a fair compromise. I think that's totally fair, like, not many people in this day and age and media get to go, I have this idea. Now I have the resources and the platform to put it to hundreds of thousands of people like you've got to be thankful for that.

1:06:36
And sometimes satisfaction doesn't come in the way that you think it will sometimes it's, you know, like you talking about the creative elements. It's like if they're all being fueled,

1:06:45
like you're doing the dream that like that's the weirdness and that's probably where Tommy and I have a way to develop is the thing that like it's it is that next thing it's a looking forward. It's even when we talk about the daily talk show, it's like, man, imagine what this is going to be like, you know, we try and you know, because you hear the storeys where people say, Man, we don't you don't expect it. Yeah, we never expected it. Yeah, so there's, you know, this narrative, which we're going to say was like, man, we're not expecting anything. We are not expecting it.

1:07:19
This weird fucking narrative we're in because it's easy to say, which is like, Yeah, man, we just did the fucking shits and giggles like we weren't expecting, like, you know, just having a having a laugh. Fun every day. But there is that deep do you have that deep down? bit? Yeah.

1:07:34
You always want it but you never expected I think it's a good way to look at it.

1:07:39
So so fucking annoying.

1:07:42
It is. I mean, I think that it's, it's hard when when, you know, like, I guess I have like a base, sort of like, I've got a great job. I'm gonna get to do TV every day. I get through everything. So it's easy for me to say, Oh, yeah, like, Don't worry, it works out. I don't know that like, but I wouldn't have known that I would be a winner man. Three months before I became a weatherman. It had never occurred to me. And I never would have thought that being a weatherman would be as much fun as it can be. That makes sense. Like, I get Yeah, and I hate to sound like I'm just coming here to brag about I've got the best job in the world is that but I like the variety of the job. So I like that, you know, on an average week with my producer showrunner we kind of look at all right, we want to do some something fun, something funny and something with heart. So that might be a charity one day then it could be a silly morning with you know, the Girl Guides which we did the other day. So that's roughly how we look at it but I love that platform and I love that you know I get to take a lot of a lot of those creative boxes but we were talking about at the start of the podcast you can kind of do do a lot of yourself so you know if there's something you really really want to do you can start doing maybe not the big end product but a small version of

1:08:54
what people could do a segment every single day if they wanted to on Instagram being their own website guy for their Instagram absolutely

1:09:02
you know the thought around if you know you create your own reality right and so if over the years Sam Max has done all these little things which is essentially leading to being exactly where you are right and so if you are choosing to chip away and do the things that you like and then your land this role you could say it's lock about get to have the best job in the world and I get to do everything I like all the elements is like Yeah, but there's also been this journey Yeah, you doing everything you wanted to do and making it happen. Absolutely.

1:09:33
Yes. And And a big part of that is trying to make sure that you're having satisfaction and and getting enjoyment along the way because let's say it doesn't happen and that that big role or that final thing doesn't happen for everyone but if it doesn't happen then you at least want to go well I don't regret all those years or that time that I spent because look at this great stuff I've got to show for it this is an amazing thing I made this friend so there's there's other flow ons to it

1:09:56
I think what are you going to do with your points you freakin fly you actually do with

1:10:01
me by Josh a family?

1:10:03
I haven't thought about it and I actually haven't even checked how many of their but I know there's a lot you know maybe

1:10:09
something really upsetting about

1:10:15
like, I have obsessed over the years Josh

1:10:19
manipulated these point system to be able to fly first class in a cabin like a bid. Really? First

1:10:25
class next week London

1:10:28
with Singapore on a three a. It cost me 600 bucks and points. Good. So it's amazing. But the thing is something in the in that game, that the points topic. Yeah, yeah, but this

1:10:39
might surprise you, but I'm not in it for the points.

1:10:46
And when I do eventually decide that I'm going to take a big holiday. Yeah, 100% they doing it like business, I got to do something really cool. Last year, which was my parents Irish and I got to take them back to Ireland for the first time since they basically left there when they're in their 20s and I met in Australia and I may have used points for a lot of so that was where a lot of lot of the points that I was kind of accumulating went. But that was incredible. That was someone recently asked me What's the best thing you've ever done? That was a surprising so I surprise my parents and Christmas Day 2016. I gave them Andre review DVD just to see if they'd still be happy to receive an honorary DVD. Yeah. And my dad

1:11:29
was like a

1:11:30
cry. Let's still trying to be polite that I said I opened just to check the DVDs still in there. And they open it up and it says Mom, Dad, you're going to Island in 2017. And I just could not believe it. And then the other part of the surprise was I sort of organised help them organise it organised the flights and accommodation, everything. And the other part of surprise was that I took my sister who'd never been overseas didn't tell mom and dad, we surprised them in London at a hotel till I came down pretended to be concierge and said it may take your boxer places. Irish accent I turn around me and mom's lap. What are you doing in London and then I've already organised my sister upstairs to pretend to be a waitress.

1:12:08
So we see who had enrols you really everything is a

1:12:11
production household. We sit them down, we order the drinks. And then I come back and sit down and my sister knows to go and grab the tree because I've organised it with the staff there. She comes over with the drinks and like holds them and my mom like she just couldn't believe it. She just absolutely couldn't believe it. And then we got to go and spend a few days with him in Ireland. So

1:12:29
that's where went pear shaped

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me that that was

1:12:33
Yeah, that was one of the things I've done and points were effective in that.

1:12:37
Hamish Blake talks about creating experiences. Is that something that's important to you?

1:12:42
Yeah, absolutely. I think the more the years go on, the more you realise that because, you know, when you sit around with your mates and you haven't caught up for a few years, you talk about those crazy things that happened all those things you did, will you surprise someone like that? That's what it's about, like not being beige and not being boring, like doing something silly. You know, I'm lucky with with work that we get to do you know, we have the resource to do crazy things. And I've done a lot of great things with my friends on the show. And it's really cool. So yeah, I agree. experiences. And did you capture any of that stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah, just little videos for Instagram, just like short little snippet type stuff, which I'm glad that I did. Because Instagram I kind of see is part, you know, part of the job as in, like, you know, keeping yourself out there showing people what you're doing, but also a great record of what you've done. Or, you know, when, say, we're sitting down at a pub telling this storey I'd bring out the phone and show you guys I look at this as my mom's reaction when this happened, you know, it just takes that other level. That's what I love about social media as well and social media. I love because people can kind of like a lot of the days that we do with work or people who have written direct to me and said, hey, we've got this event coming up, or Hey, you should go and meet this person who lives in blob because they've got this amazing thing going on. And I'm so open to that. And I mentioned it on the show all the time. Right direct to us right to us. You get a lot of freaks writing to you as well. Josh,

1:14:05
this one guy.

1:14:10
I think I'll email you when it's closer to World Expo 2020 because I think we should we should do that from Dubai. Yeah, let's go global Yeah, Sam Mac. Thanks so much for allowing us into your into your hotel room. It's been a lot of fun at the deli talk show everyone you can send us a mouse Hi, the daily talk show.com to and I'll keep them forever as well. Thank you guys.

1:14:32
It's been a pleasure. Keep up the good work, enjoying the work that both you guys are doing. So really a pleasure to be on today. And a big thank you to big media Corporation.

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