We chat about the origins of Coca-Cola, Josh does a blind cola taste test and the benefits of buying in bulk.
Show Notes
At a glance
From this episode’s transcript.
- –Josh correctly identified Coke, Pepsi Max, Coke Zero and an off-brand cola in a blind taste test using colour, smell and taste cues.
- –Coca-Cola was invented in 1885 by pharmacist John Pemberton in Atlanta and originally contained cocaine from coca leaf extract; Pepsi (PepsiCo) was created later, in 1965.
- –Buying in bulk (e.g. toilet paper, non-perishables) can be cost-effective, as referenced via Mark Cuban's investing advice, but requires available storage space.
- –A McDonald's self-serve ordering comparison showed a 'family box' was actually cheaper than two individually ordered meals.
- –The podcast announced it was entering its final week, with the show ending the following Thursday, and invited listeners to send final messages to hi@thedailytalkshow.com.
Questions this episode answers
How did Josh do in the blind cola taste test on The Daily Talk Show?
Josh correctly identified all four drinks — an off-brand cola, Pepsi Max, Coke Zero, and regular-adjacent cola — by assessing their colour, smell, and taste, despite briefly doubting himself on the Pepsi Max.
Why is Coca-Cola called Coca-Cola?
According to the hosts, Coca-Cola was invented in 1885 by pharmacist John Pemberton in Atlanta, Georgia, and its original recipe contained an extract of the coca leaf (which also contains cocaine), inspiring the 'Coca' part of the name.
Is it worth buying groceries and household items in bulk?
Josh and Tommy discuss that buying in bulk (citing Mark Cuban's advice on buying items like toilet paper in bulk) can be cost-effective, but the practicality depends on having enough storage space at home.
Episode TranscriptShow
Tommy: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad.
Josh: That's crazy! We've committed to do The Daily Talk Show for 10 years.
Tommy: Say hi, guys. Hi, guys.
Josh: Put it in the calendar. I'd just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.
Tommy: It is outrageous.
Josh: Come on, let's go. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 1018.
Tommy: What is happening? What's going on?
Josh: It is Fat Friday.
Tommy: What have we got planned, mate? Uh, Georgie Boy's up cooking a barbecue. That's going to be the solids. It's just your classic, um, sausage, bread. Yeah, dog's eye, dead horse.
Josh: Of course, what's in the sausage? Oh, okay. Dog's eye.
Tommy: Yeah, yeah. And they're probably—
Josh: don't they say like dog's assholes or something? I don't know. Anyway, you've got, um, 3—
Tommy: you eat asshole?
Josh: I mean, if you tell it, it's in the, um, It was on the show. We did have a catchcry.
Tommy: And it was in our quota, in our contract. Okay, so we're not drinking. I mean, we're not doing alcohol right now.
Josh: There's 3 glasses. They look like cola. Yeah. 3. They're in wine glasses, though. Yeah. What have you done?
Tommy: It's a Cola Off. Can you tell me what cola is what? So, there's 3 colas.
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: So, I haven't put a number on them. Because I was thinking the things that throw people, like if I was to put one and I was to go, you might think Superior Cola. You might think Superior Cola. So, I've gone colour coded and as I was doing it, I fucked it over there and had to start again. Yeah.
Josh: Do you at least know? Will I get to know what the different colas are?
Tommy: This is the— I need name. I need whether they have sugar in them or not. And that's it.
Josh: Okay, great.
Tommy: Perfect. So, that's pretty straightforward.
Josh: I can tell you what—
Tommy: Just, I'm going to bring them over because I, the fact that they're on my side and we're a metre and a half away.
Josh: So, interestingly, I reckon I could tell just based on the visuals which one is not Coca-Cola. So, just so everyone's aware, the non-Coca-Cola one—
Tommy: You're going to hold each one up to the camera?
Josh: Yeah, I'm just having a look. So, this one here that I'm holding,, which is the fluorescent yellow, whatever.
Tommy: Just call it yellow.
Josh: Yeah. That is not Coca-Cola.
Tommy: Okay. No, that's fair.
Josh: That's fair. So, that is a different— And by smelling it, I'll tell you what it is.
Tommy: Yeah. Smell it. Tell us what it is. Taste it. Tell me what it is.
Josh: Yeah. So, that's definitely not Coca-Cola. I'm going to taste it now.
Tommy: If there was a terminology for Cola taste testers. Sommelier is like a fancy wine person. You're the, you're the guy, you're the sommelier of cola.
Josh: Yeah. So, this is not— I'd be surprised if this is even in the realm of Pepsi. This— My guess is it's an off-brand cola is what I'm going to say.
Tommy: Next one. Yep. Yep. Okay. Next one. We'll, um, I'll give you the answer.
Josh: So this second one, looking at it, pink.
Tommy: He's gone for the, the pink is the color.
Josh: This is Pepsi.
Tommy: He smells it. He's confident. He's swigging it back. He's very confident. Oh, he's doubting himself.
Josh: He's doubting himself. It's hard when you've had one, you know what I mean? When you've had one, it's very hard.
Tommy: He's doubted himself. It was so— his nostrils were more confident than his throat.
Josh: Let me just do the Pink one again.
Tommy: Oh, he's in all sorts. This is a man who—
Josh: No, that's Pepsi. That's Pepsi.
Tommy: Okay, no, he's back to it. He's back to it. He's confident that now it's Pepsi.
Josh: The pink one is definitely Pepsi.
Tommy: Yeah. All right, sipping at— This is the blue labeled.
Josh: Yeah, and that's Coke Zero.
Tommy: Okay, so let's go.
Josh: So, what did I say? So, bright yellow is—
Tommy: Okay, and bring it up. You say it and then I'll bring up the label.
Josh: Okay, great.
Tommy: So, bright yellow is It is an off-Cola.
Josh: It is. Ding, ding, ding. It is a cola.
Tommy: That was good. This is a, yeah, just a sugar, sugar zero. I literally read that and I was like, I'm reading that wrong rather than sugar-free or, but they've gone sugar zero.
Josh: Interesting.
Tommy: It's like baby sugar.
Josh: Yeah. Zero. So, one of the things I'll say about the middle one, I say Pepsi, it's pink. I'll say, I say it's Pepsi. This is the one that stumps me a little bit. It's because I had that first bad cola. Let me just have a little another taste.
Tommy: You've still got time, dude. Do you want to?
Josh: No, it's Pepsi. It's Pepsi. Do you know why? Why? It's because it tastes like grilled. So, I sort of reference all of the different drinks with what the experience is. And so, I'm going to say it is Pepsi and it is Pepsi Max.
Tommy: Ding, ding, ding.
Josh: Pepsi Max. And then the final one is obviously Coke Zero.
Tommy: That's where you've got it right.
Josh: Ding, ding, ding.
Tommy: That's pretty good.
Josh: Are you impressed?
Tommy: It is.
Josh: Are you impressed that I could tell based on the colour which is which?
Tommy: You're a cola sommelier. So, can you still— What about the difference between the colour of Coca-Cola and Pepsi Max?
Josh: Harder to tell. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference of that. But the—
Tommy: Who came up with cola? I know it's just a flavour that is from something. It's like who made up mint? Mint's a flavour. But who started first, Pepsi or Coke?
Josh: Well, Coca-Cola started as a cocaine drink, remember?
Tommy: Well, it had— Let's look at that.
Josh: Coca-Cola or whatever it was.
Tommy: Coca-Cola. I remember hearing this, right. Is it why that they— But why is it called— It just seems so convenient that cocaine is called cocaine and Coca-Cola.
Josh: Well, I think it was probably called Coca-Cola because of the cocaine, obviously.
Tommy: Well, I've always heard that Coca-Cola's history has been well documented. Thank you for that update. The drink was invented in 1885 by John Pemberton. Like, if your great-great-grandfather was John Pemberton, Pemberton.
Josh: Would still be fucking old.
Tommy: Oh no, he probably is dead.
Josh: The great— Yeah, yeah. So great, great, great, great. That's what I'm saying.
Tommy: But what a flex, you know, that I never met my— I met my grandfather, but not my grandfather's father.
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: Like you'd still be flexing on that at parties. So John was a pharmacist from Atlanta, Georgia, who made the original formula in his backyard. Pemberton's recipe contained cocaine in the form of an extract of the coca leaf, which inspired the Coca part of the beverage's name. That's great. I mean, I always, I knew that it was the thing when you're young, like, oh, they used to make this out of cocaine.
Josh: In the, I believe, early '90s, they had, they changed the Coca-Cola recipe as well. Yeah. And it's still unclear whether it was part of their PR strategy. So, they came out with a new the new Coca-Cola taste. Yeah. And then there was people protesting on the streets.
Tommy: Pepsi, a very long time after Coca-Cola. In the 1800s was Coca-Cola. 1965, my dad was a little man. Dad was born in '52. How old would he be? Little maths.
Josh: Say that again.
Tommy: That was just 1952 and this is 1965. How old was he?
Josh: He was 8 plus 5 is 13.
Tommy: Yep. Inside joke.
Josh: Because we're doing the maths thing. If you had 47 plus— Sorry, 47 plus 28, was that? Yes. 47 plus 28, how would you work it out?
Tommy: Yeah.
Josh: It was a meme online.
Tommy: Which I don't know what it actually said about.
Josh: And so, it's just like it would be interesting how people answer it.
Tommy: How their brain goes about it.
Josh: For me, it was like taking the 2 from the 7. And putting that on the 8, so it's a round number, 10 and then 5 and 75.
Tommy: It's a fun visual. It's probably not the best. 1965, PepsiCo was created. That's a long time after. Who came first, Pepsi or Coke? Coke came before Pepsi. Wow. You know, I mean, it's always a contentious thing. What pub has what?
Josh: Well, in South Carolina, that's where Mountain Dew.
Tommy: Oh, yeah.
Josh: Started. And so, it's very popular there. But there's a great documentary.
Tommy: South Carolina. Is that where your brother lives?
Josh: No, North Carolina. James is in South Carolina. There's a thing called Dewjor.
Tommy: Dewjor.
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: Do you like Dew? Dew.
Josh: Yeah. Not like Mountain Dew.
Tommy: Not like a Jewish person.
Josh: Dewjor. Dewjor. Yeah. And it's because there's such a culture of drinking Mountain Dew. It's sad. That the kids' teeth rot. And so, I watched a great doco where—
Tommy: Louis Theroux?
Josh: No, it was just, I don't know where it was, but they—
Tommy: It was a Swedish guy.
Josh: Yeah. But they just, they filmed, there's dentists that have sort of portable setups and would go to these schools because the kids like it to the point where When they start drinking out of a bottle, their parents would put Mountain Dew in. Not good. Not good.
Tommy: It's the colour of it, too. And they don't hide it, you know, they actually have coloured the bottle an even more fluorescent colour than the liquid inside.
Josh: Yeah. To really sort of make it look sort of toxic.
Tommy: Oh, isn't there— Atomic. So, not dummies, like hillbillies. Not hillbillies, but like— Rednecks? There's something. I'm just trying to remember it. There's a reason why— Oh, that's it. There was a tick or this thing that was biting people that was making them dumb. And so, maybe it is the rednecks. No idea. Oh, fuck. It is fascinating, dude. Oh, I wish I could have the reason right now. So, what is it? So, the reason people were seen like— It was— Maybe it is redneck. I'll find it. Hang on. But basically, There's like this generalisation about these people from a certain area that are dummies or rednecks. Maybe it is, I can't remember. But it turns out that the reason it was happening was because they were— they had a tick that had bitten them and was doing something to them, which was like—
Josh: Like Lyme disease sort of thing?
Tommy: I don't know if it was Lyme disease. Tick biting people and making them dumb.
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: Making them dumb from ticks. Dumb ticks.
Josh: Definitely could get dumb from TikTok. Stupid.
Tommy: The War of Stupid People, the Atlantic. God, this is so fascinating when I read it and now it's all gone. Gone from my brain. I think I've been bitten. I think I'm fucking—
Josh: This is the thing, like, I do trivia and all that. So, like, it is good to be that person that just knows facts. The problem is that mine is so far removed from general knowledge, like no one would be expected to know some of the shit. Like, it's out, like it's not at that general level. I wish I was pretty good.
Tommy: Coca-Cola. Like knowing your Coca-Colas.
Josh: Is it weird that I'm like sort of proud?
Tommy: I think you should be proud. I just want to taste, I just want to taste this because I was thinking I haven't seen, like my head hasn't been in the game of cola other than just drinking. What, like Pepsi or Coke?
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: Remember, um, LA Ice?
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: Where's that gone? That's gone.
Josh: Yeah. Or it was that the one that was delivered to your house? So there was the one in the glass bottles that was like, oh, that's good. Yeah, that cola one isn't, isn't good.
Tommy: I think it's especially because it's the Sugar Zero one.
Josh: I think the other question is like, it can even the Woolworths compete? What was the price difference? I could imagine Coke being just as cheap sometimes.
Tommy: That Coke was $3, the Pepsi about $3.90. Okay. But this is the problem, you know, the, um, we went to Macca's the other night and I bought it. So, so, uh, we, the self-serve, Amy put in hers. I was like, oh, let's put in Bodhi's. And I was on another one.
Josh: Why were you on a— doing—
Tommy: I don't eat with my family. No, no, no, no. I was waiting to find out that Amy was paying on her card. Yeah, you're paying on your card. Barefoot says split it, you know. Um, Amy was— I wanted to see what it cost for 2 meals, and then I was on the family box, you know. You know shit's going pear-shaped, don't you? I'm on the family box. I'm like, no, no, let's check. I know there's too much food here. 10 nuggets, 4 chips, 4 drinks, 4 large burgers. Whatever. Amy got to the price, it was more than the family box. It was 30-something bucks for hers, and it was 30-something bucks for all that food. You see the problem?
Josh: Well, you see why, um, it can be very cost-effective to buy in bulk. I was watching, I think it was Mark Cuban, the, um, uh, business dude who's like a venture capitalist.
Tommy: He bought Dogecoin in bulk.
Josh: Yes. Yeah, he, he's, um, he owns an NBA team and they sell sell it, like you can buy, sorry, you can buy merch and things like that through using Doge. But he was saying, okay, what would you do if you had cash? And he was suggesting that you could like buy things in bulk, which I thought was interesting.
Tommy: Just in bulk.
Josh: So, it's like a good way of like think about what you need, toothpaste.
Tommy: Ah, yeah.
Josh: Like if you had heaps of cash.
Tommy: Yeah.
Josh: And you like, how do you invest? One of the things he suggested was buying bulk things like toilet paper.
Tommy: I did see it was, it could have been in here with the TV, with the kind of shows that are on. But there was a celebrity walking through the house and they went to their pantry and it was a fucking supermarket. Like, it had everything and multiples.
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: But you immediately think, oh, it's because they're rich. They're also saving money because you're spending less than me.
Josh: Exactly. So, if you've got the storage for it.
Tommy: Yeah.
Josh: And non-perishable items like toilet paper. I could definitely be the guy to buy 2 years' worth of toilet paper if I had somewhere to put it.
Tommy: Well, if it was cheaper. I mean, this is— Do you think that people with cash, there's probably not every one of them, but a higher percentage of people that actually have been able to make the money. Smarter with all of that stuff. So, they end up doing that, whereas you could buy a fair bit of toilet paper, but it would be a bit weird for you.
Josh: Yeah. Yeah.
Tommy: I mean, my small apartment, we're getting a new duna. Not my— I don't live in an apartment, a house, small house.
Josh: No, you haven't told people you're moving out of the family home. Yeah.
Tommy: Amy gets the rental.
Josh: Yeah. Yeah. And so, they only meet at McDonald's, Bulleen. And so, Tommy was getting his—
Tommy: That's reality.
Josh: That would definitely happen. It's like, oh, I love that Mum and Dad have separated because I get to go to McDonald's every Tuesday night when we hand out, when we do the handover, you know.
Tommy: So, but we want to keep our doona, but we've got nowhere to store it. Like, we have a garage, like a tin shed.
Josh: Yeah. But you don't necessarily want to put it there. That's my room. That's my bedroom. Costco. Have you ever had a Costco card?
Tommy: Um, I've been to Costco twice and I haven't had a Costco card, so it definitely was my mate. And he took his mum's at one point, but then they started doing the photos. Maybe they did the photos, but they were more strict later on. But then if you're a, if you're a TA, you can actually get it.
Josh: I think Mason told me this, which you get 365 days, uh, refund on the membership.
Tommy: But do you want to be the guy returning your Costco membership after one use just because it's in the T's and C's. You don't. I don't think I want to be that person. But some people, you get around it and they go all the time. There's one in Epping near the hospital. We saw people just lining up for days. There's one out near my parents' joint, Cheltenham, Mentone Way.
Josh: Are there things like that? Like, I could imagine you with the time saying, okay, I'm going to like, I'm going to be the Costco person, I'll do the big shop.
Tommy: Yeah.
Josh: Are there any of those things that, like having a second kid on the way, not being as crazy with work, that you'll be like, I'm actually going to spend more time doing this?
Tommy: I said to Amy the other day, and it was a— it was a— and I came to this conclusion of what I told Amy in the shopping centre. And it was, I don't want to spend as much time as I do at a shopping centre. Because if you think about it, Like you don't cook much, so you don't go to the shopping centre as much, but you still go to the shopping centre. But if you're—
Josh: I'm actually surprised at how little, like, I went to Doncaster for the first time in probably a year.
Tommy: So, probably years. I mean, like Woolies or Coles or like I'm there and it's a trap because I'm just being lazy multiple, like sometimes multiple times a day. And we got in the habit of doing it. The other years ago when we were single.
Josh: You don't have a habit.
Tommy: It's not a habit. No, no, no.
Josh: It was a joke. Bad habit.
Tommy: Bad habit. I've got heaps of bad habits. No, but we would be going every night because it almost became this activity that we enjoyed together. But then you're like, we could be spending it some other way.
Josh: Yeah. Working out what you're going to have.
Tommy: Yeah. And so, I definitely the bulk, bulk buying rice and beans.
Josh: And so then how do you, yeah, well, how do you, you need to then work out what is bulk and what's not.
Tommy: I need storage. So, because Crystal likes to freeze a facility.
Josh: Crystal talks about how she would have the same meal every single day. Yeah. And when you're doing that, it's very easy, right? If you know, okay, I need to have this. It's sort of like the prison system, right? I'm guessing like when you're in jail, you don't get different options every day. Yeah. It's like all sort of set.
Tommy: You probably get a PlayStation, though.
Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Like a lot of jails that You've looked into it.
Tommy: There's a show called— I've talked about it before. A guy that went to jail and he was wrongly convicted, spent 7 or 8 years in. And now he goes around to look at the jails around the world. There's one in Iceland or the North Pole.
Josh: He plays Tony Hawk Skateboarder with all of them, doesn't he? Like, he goes to each.
Tommy: But he went to this one in Iceland or One of the frozen countries. It was amazing. Yeah. Interestingly, it wasn't a jail, dude. It was a, it was better than my apartment. My apartment was better than my house.
Josh: Greenland is the icy place. Iceland is the green place. Very confusing.
Tommy: That's right. Yeah. There's more green in Iceland. Or is it more ice in Greenland than Iceland?
Josh: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what this means for everyone, but I saw a tweet that said an iceberg 4,000 kilometres big has just fallen off. Have you heard this?
Tommy: I saw—
Josh: 80 times the size of Manhattan.
Tommy: I saw 4 times the size of Manhattan.
Josh: That sounds about right.
Tommy: So, 4 times the size of Manhattan, which is— This tweet was more succinct than what you spouted.
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: Yeah, but an iceberg has formed that is now, that is 4 times the size of Manhattan. That's all I read.
Josh: I wonder what that means for us.
Tommy: Where's it come from?
Josh: Antarctica.
Tommy: Yeah, but did it—
Josh: It's fallen off Antarctica.
Tommy: Oh, okay. So, it's come off.
Josh: Yeah, yeah.
Tommy: And now it's floating.
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: I mean, that's— Oh, fucking—
Josh: Saved by some sausages. George has just come in with some snags. With the— What I always love. Yeah. Say hi, George. Hi, guys. How's the show? It's really good. Yeah, we've been arguing. No arguing. Okay, great. All right. Thanks, love. Have you heard? Did you hear about the iceberg? No. Okay.
Tommy: No.
Josh: I'll listen back. Okay, you go. Don't bother. All right. And so, have you got chicken skewers as well?
Tommy: Yeah. So, there was like, there's either like 6 packs of sausages. No, sorry. 8 packs of sausages. Or 3,000 sausages. So I went the 8-pack.
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: And then I went, um, thanks George.
Josh: Are you gonna just have one now?
Tommy: And then I went some skewers as well and some onions. But, uh, yeah, I reckon we wrap it up and eat.
Josh: Yeah. Any, um, uh, before we go, any— we haven't had a good discussion yet on the final week. Oh yeah, starting, uh, Monday, that's the final week of the show forever. We haven't done any planning.
Tommy: Next Friday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, that's about it.
Josh: No idea.
Tommy: I have no idea, but we could read out some lovely stuff that's coming through. I was just trying to find one. Get a nice, um, message from— I'll get there.
Josh: Any source? Cole Dawson.
Tommy: Cole Dawson messaged and said, hi Tommy, I was an early listener of the Daily Talk Show and have been a gronk since day one. When I heard that you guys were finishing up, I was filled with different emotions, but really I'm just thankful for the content that you guys have put out. Me and my wife have both been— have both laughed and occasionally shed a tear over the conversations you and Josh have had. This podcast has made such an impact on the way we have conversations, the way we approach mental health, and the way we look at squeegees. I wish you gronks nothing but the best for the future. Thank you for giving me a daily reminder that we're all still working it out. With much respect, Cole. And then he put hashtag fuck you, Tommy.
Josh: Cole, which is great reference. Old reference, dude. Do you remember the reference?
Tommy: I thought it was hate mail. Literally saw it, opened it, saw fuck you, Tommy. I'm like, what have I done? Well, next minute my mind reminded me.
Josh: I can't actually remember. So it was something to do with our reviews and I said use the hashtag. Fuck you, Tommy. And we got a bunch of reviews with that, which is quite funny. Thank you, Cole. Some lovely— We got a lovely email from Kyle as well. Yeah. If you've got any thoughts, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Guys, it's only a week until it's all over.
Tommy: Yeah. So, one week from today.
Josh: So, if there's something that you want to say, just say it.
Tommy: Yeah. If you've never spoken to us as well, say hi.
Josh: Hi@thedailytalkshow.com.
Tommy: That's what you know, you can just say hi, you don't have to say more than that if you're feeling intimidated or— Anyway, all right, let's, uh, let's do it.
Josh: Bye everyone, have a, have a great weekend. Seriously, go— A beautiful day in Melbourne if you're in Melbourne right now. Yeah, go for a walk, it's lovely. Yeah, see you on Monday, guys.
Tommy: See you guys.
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