Thank You For Everything, I Have No Complaints

Tommy: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad.

Josh: That's crazy. We've committed to do the Daily Talk Show for 10 years.

Tommy: Hi guys. Hi guys.

Josh: Put it in the calendar. I just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.

Tommy: It is outrageous.

Josh: Come on, let's go. It's the Daily Talk Show episode 1006.

Tommy: What is happening? I'll tell you what's happening. This seat feels a bit funny.

Josh: Yeah, it's because Jess and GB were in there yesterday and very last minute decision to take off your hat.

Tommy: Dude, when you have hair like me, you can do that.

Josh: Take it off. You can see the, um, take the sort of mark on the forehead. That's fine.

Tommy: That's all right. That's all right. No, I don't know, I decided to take it off because I, I mean, I just get in patterns of wearing a hat. Then I have a haircut, look 11 out of 10.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then I'm just like, still wearing a hat, hat back on.

Josh: Yeah, it's, it's like, um, Wearing baggy clothes when you don't like it, you know, it can be the comfortable thing. But if you don't have to wear them, people don't necessarily know what you're hiding underneath. Not to diss it. Well, because Bree was showing a photo of a dress she was wearing.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And people saw her back at work and said, wow, you've got a real muscly back.

Tommy: Compliment.

Josh: Yeah. Because she normally wears sort of baggy clothes.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: It reminds me of Billie Eilish. Have you seen what's happened? With her?

Tommy: She's 18, right? George would know. It wasn't George.

Josh: He had a little countdown on his desk, which is sort of— I don't know why, but, um, when was Billie Eilish born?

Tommy: Just asking Siri. 18th of December 2001.

Josh: Oh my God, 2001. Oh, oh my goodness, 2000. I thought 1991. I was like, oh my God, that makes— she's 20.

Tommy: No.

Josh: 2001.

Tommy: Being born in 2001.

Josh: So, she's 19. Anyway, she did the photo shoot. So, she typically has worn baggy clothes. Yes. And is now— has done a raunchy shoot and she's being slut-shamed for it, apparently.

Tommy: She's at the Vibe.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What are they slut-shaming you for? Who? And who exactly? Who? Because you say they and I say who and you say they.

Josh: Yeah, I don't know.

Tommy: Usually that's how it works. When anyone says they, you follow up with who's they? Just them. Yeah, but who really? If the who, if the whoever comes back to the tabloids, fuck them. They aren't the majority. It's some hipster gronk that is, has done a university degree, owes a fuckload in HECS, I don't know what you're talking about. So think about Daily Mail or these fuckwits that write in these tabloids.

Josh: So you're angry at anyone that's—

Tommy: No, I'm annoyed that the— I think that a lot of the time something gets made out of nothing. So someone picks up a sniff on Twitter of some fucking misogynist.

Josh: You know TJ's getting dirty when he starts mentioning your hex debt.

Tommy: Dude, but my point is that there's just these slimy little hex debt, riddles, journos that are making something out of nothing. And that's the they. So when you say they, we're like, it was one fuckwit online, and then the person who writes for these outlets put some, uh, so one of the Daily Mail, News.com.au, Nine, MSN, all of the fuck— KISS, all the— every—

Josh: they don't really do it.

Tommy: They don't really do it anymore. But there was you and I, our salacious little bitches. But we had no hex debt.

Josh: So, what up? Came with spelling mistakes, though.

Tommy: Well, that wasn't my fault. That was Perez Hilton's fault because I copied and pasted.

Josh: Don't copy and paste.

Tommy: Did you see we got some sort of copyright email about a Screenplay Sunday episode?

Josh: Did you see me write back on like— No, I didn't. Yeah, I wrote back.

Tommy: Was that just an automated one? What happened?

Josh: No idea. So, yeah, someone said, hey, Jessica Lucas is using our, like, mentioning our screenplay. Yeah. On your website or whatever, like, screenplay's attributed to her.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Which never happened. And so for some reason, like, there is this, in the creative industry, there's a certain persona of like wack creative people that are probably, bring it back to bongs, done too many bongs and they're super paranoid. And they think that everyone wants to steal their stuff.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. Probably they're— Yeah, they're struggling. And so, they're on the lookout for anyone potentially using their stuff. And this is sort of— This person has said, hey, Jess is saying that she wrote the script.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Never happened. I just wrote back to Jess.

Tommy: Did Jess ever write a script? I think she did.

Josh: She did.

Tommy: It wasn't called that.

Josh: But it wasn't called that. I think that what's probably happened is there's another Jesse Lucas in Australia.

Tommy: Oh, there's an actor.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: So, there's a famous actor, Jessica Lucas. Okay. I thought we were hiring her when we first— I looked her up, I was like, fuck, geez, she's got some creds.

Josh: But what annoyed me about the email we got was the person's like, oh, I know this person from Film Australia, like all this. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck off.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, but that's the putrid scent of the internet. It is the 1%. Like, just there's a lot. 1%? No, no, no.

Josh: The internet is 70%.

Tommy: No, you're right, 70%, because there's, um, ex-debt riddled fucks. There's a lot of people with problems on the internet collectively in the consciousness online. If you were just to look at that, uh, egomaniac, you know, fudge wits.

Josh: Why are you saying this now?

Tommy: I was just listening to Eckhart Tolle.

Josh: What's he saying?

Tommy: Uh, he's talking collective consciousness. He's talking— he mentioned the people about, isn't it funny how the Internet is so many people outraged. I don't know his accent. It's like you can't pick his accent. It's like it's from another country. Can you do it? No, it's like he's from another— yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, um, no, no, um, there's some jokes online about, um, Sam Harris.

Josh: Just do it.

Tommy: No, I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying to think of a, um, look for what— look, nah, I can't even, I can't even do it.

Josh: That was like Ben Stiller than it was. I can do Ben Stiller. It's just because he looks like Ben Stiller. True. Yeah, what do you mean?

Tommy: Oh, nah, he doesn't actually talk like that.

Josh: Sam Harris.

Tommy: Oh, he looks identical to him.

Josh: Should we do it?

Tommy: Go for it.

Josh: Open your eyes.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. And consider everything that doesn't matter.

Tommy: Can I play a bit of his, from his app, do you think?

Josh: Probably. You can just go online and hear it if you want to.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, Eckhart Tolle, he's great. He's He's talking, he's talking some fucking truth.

Josh: What are you watching him on?

Tommy: Everything.

Josh: Is he doing reels now?

Tommy: Nah, nah, he's done a lot of content.

Josh: He's done a lot of, a lot of trips to Australia.

Tommy: Friends of mine, Rhys Mitchell, went and saw him back in the day. Um, he's an OG, but he's been on Oprah, Goop, uh, who— I mean, a bunch of others, but they're just some sort of credible ones that I've listened to.

Josh: And what are you searching to find him?

Tommy: Ikhat Toley. Kart.

Josh: Ikhat Toley. Just clicking on a YouTube video and watching it.

Tommy: Oh yeah, you do that and then you see he's done many talks. He's got some good content. He's employing some good, good— I mean, he's just got the content.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So anything you get of him is great. But it's a good one. A good one he— I was watching last night, him talk about The question, oh, sorry, uh, it was like a—

Josh: The Secret?

Tommy: No, it was like a Zen— someone, someone was asked, this teacher was asked, what can I do for the next, like, 7 years or so? You know, what training can I do? And they wanted, you know, some serious— they wanted, they wanted some gruelling meditation workout. You know, it's like you want to know that you're working for it.

Josh: Can I guess what he said?

Tommy: So it could be like 7 hours a day, you know, that's probably what you're thinking. I need to meditate 7 hours a day. Didn't say Fitbit. He said, um, he said Whoop.

Josh: No, no, no, that's funny actually.

Tommy: He said, in any moment— this isn't Eckhart, he's saying that someone else said this, but I was listening to Eckhart say it— um, in any moment, no matter what happens, wherever you are, you need to say to yourself, thank you for everything, I have no complaints.

Josh: It's a good way of ending the show, every single app.

Tommy: Thank you for everything.

Josh: I have no complaints.

Tommy: Yeah. And so think about that.

Josh: A complaint.

Tommy: So what a complaint is, when you're complaining on Uber Eats, it is information with emotion attached. So factual information, your tap's leaking.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You could go and make a complaint to the front desk about your tap leaking, becomes a complaint. So it's information with emotion attached. And we complain a lot. We all do. But so if—

Josh: Say it again. What do you say?

Tommy: Thank you for everything.

Josh: Thank you for everything.

Tommy: I have no complaints.

Josh: It'd be good to say if you're going through the drive-through.

Tommy: Thank you for everything. Yeah.

Josh: Rather than, is the sweet and sour sauce in the bag?

Tommy: Yeah. But see, the problem is where it goes, it gets tricky. The example he uses, they forget the sweet and sour sauce. So let's see. Let's say thank you for everything. I have no complaints. You take the bag, you don't look in the bag.

Josh: There's no fucking sweet and sour sauce.

Tommy: You get home and you open it up.

Josh: It's not for me. I don't eat the sweet and sour sauce. It's Bree. Because she's like, I can't have the fucking chips.

Tommy: She uses sweet and sour sauce on chips?

Josh: Yeah, that's what she gets.

Tommy: Why do you think people— Just fucking whip up some caster sugar in water.

Josh: Why do you think people—

Tommy: Pour it on top of your chips?

Josh: Mate, if you're having McDonald's, it's not a fucking muscle meal. And so—

Tommy: Because I was on the phone to you. I called you. Yeah, yeah, sorry, mate. Just a— Corner Panda. Yeah. And sweet and sour sauce. Yeah, I was like, oh, he's having nugs.

Josh: No, no, no, no, he just likes having the sweet and sour sauce.

Tommy: Fair go, fair go. It is good on chippies. It is good. But so when you get home, you say before you're about to eat, thank you for everything, I have no complaints, and then you open the bag and you just fucking blow up. It's— see, that's the challenge, right? Because it's not about— then it's got like, you've almost got sort of parameters on it in this, like, because it's then now It's, it's then resetting every moment with, thank you for everything, I have no complaints. Dropping back a little bit from—

Josh: I like that. Where could you say it more? Where do you complain the most in life?

Tommy: Um, um, I think, uh, I, I think I've said it a lot with coffee in my life. The definitely like the temperature. Thank you for everything. I have no complaints. Because you just want to launch into it's not hot enough. Yeah.

Josh: I have no complaints.

Tommy: It's not hot enough.

Josh: It's a little passive-aggressive, though, don't you think?

Tommy: Not if you say it's not passively aggressive.

Josh: So, I would have said, yeah.

Tommy: So, if you don't, if you, there's a tone. Passive-aggressive has a tone to it.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Because you can, so.

Josh: I thought the tone —Or it's a look.

Tommy: It's otherwise, it's called—

Josh: Can you do a rude version and then a nice version?

Tommy: Thanks for everything. I have no complaints.

Josh: Oh, so it doesn't feel that passive, though.

Tommy: Oh, then it could be smiley. You do a great passive-aggressive one. Oh, no, I'm really good at passive.

Josh: Like, so passive-aggressive, the aggression is not in the tone. The aggression is what's being said in a way. So, it's like, If I said, oh, have you— I just remembered, did we take the bins out yesterday?

Tommy: So, does it—

Josh: Yeah, we did. Oh, good. Thanks, Jess or George, whoever that was. So, me fucking— Fucking the only guy. Who?

Tommy: You being passive-aggressive. What? This is you being fucking passive-aggressive.

Josh: Why? You weren't here yesterday. I took them out. You weren't here yesterday.

Tommy: I came through in the morning. Did you really? I took them out.

Josh: Okay, that's good. You're a passive-aggressive dog. Yeah. Well, no, I was planning on being passive-aggressive. No, you did it without even knowing.

Tommy: Every other guy, girl in the business, you point out that they probably did it. No.

Josh: Well, because you weren't here yet.

Tommy: No, I'm joking. It was great, though, because I reckon that was impressive.

Josh: A passive-aggressive thing would be me saying, did you take the bins out? If I know that you didn't. Yeah. So, did you take the bins out?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: So, the thing is, there's no aggression in that. No. Because it's passive. Or it's like saying, how was Jim in the morning? How was Jim this morning? If you'd sort of worked out that you think that I didn't go to the gym.

Tommy: Yeah. Um, but what if I thought you had? So you see, yeah, it's about the intention. I actually thought you didn't go, but I'm gonna ask it.

Josh: But there is—

Tommy: Yeah, those moments. People do that. People definitely do that on purpose to fuck with you.

Josh: Yeah, that's the passive-aggressive bit. Um, can I do a shout out to IT professionals?

Tommy: Yeah, as in just the whole field.

Josh: Shout out Yeah, I haven't done a shout out in a while to every IT.

Tommy: No.

Josh: So if you're an IT professional, listen to me right now. I've gotten into MDS.

Tommy: Michael Dungay Steiner. That's MBS.

Josh: Michael Dungay Steiner. No.

Tommy: So give me the first word, please.

Josh: Mac. Mac Diagnosis System. Deployment servers, I think. Okay. And so, um, basically I'm in the deployment game now. So you know how when you get a laptop from work— did you ever get— you brought your own, didn't you, uh, when you worked at KISS? I didn't know that you had a Mac and then you spilled shit on it.

Tommy: That's right. But they gave me this fucking hunk of junk that I actually could have broken over a mule's back and it would have killed it. Like, if I put that on back of a donkey, dead. Sure.

Josh: Well, so anyway, MDS, um, I'm pumped, right? You know, you know the business is getting big when you start putting a deployment system. So say you get a new Mac, what sort of apps do you have on it? What's the, the desktop wallpaper? What's the logins that are available? I control that now. Do you? Yeah.

Tommy: And so every company friend's installed.

Josh: It does have screen sharing, yes. So you can— I can screen share. I could be the— as an IT professional in the business, I could screen share and fix your problems.

Tommy: You could look at Jess's computer while she's on it?

Josh: Well, Jess brings in her own personal laptop, so I won't put it— yes. Yeah, you— but that's the— you get a screen share, you get screen sharing warning, yes. But, um, no, so the cool things are So these are some of the things I want to streamline stuff. So you, you have like the admin login and there's another login that's a little bit more sort of tighter and it's got all of the Adobe stuff, everything's dialled in, LUTs. So like the way that we stylize our footage, it's all available, easy. There's a syncing folder that you can put stuff on and then it automatically syncs. Where's it go? It goes to the NAS. The other great thing, um, so Slack, right? We don't really use— like, we've got Slack, we use Slack, but I don't think we use it to the full potential.

Tommy: What is the full potential?

Josh: I'll tell you. Slackbot. So do you know about Slackbot?

Tommy: What do you know about Slackbot? Automated messages from plugins. So I get a Slackbot, we get a Slackbot for the episode when it goes live. We get a I get a Slack bot for HubSpot when I need to do something in there. What about this?

Josh: So Slack bot, you want to know our Premiere Pro shortcuts? You could type in— whose shortcuts? The company's. We're going to have company-wide shortcuts.

Tommy: Well, there's only one person that's not doing the shortcuts. Who? George. Because he doesn't do Shift+A. You and I do. How does he do it? You and I have the same shortcuts.

Josh: I heard that he changed the C key Premiere Pro players, you're going to love this. He uses the C key to cut, not like a razor tool or anything, like actually cut. Like, it's pretty— it's a guillotine. It's pretty interesting having a one-click cut, but I sort of respect it anyway.

Tommy: I've been using these keys down here. Yeah, works well. But he has to come over to our side because if you can't have—

Josh: we just need to— we need to have a lunch and learn, which Jess always talks about on every, like, businesses she used to work at. Oh, we always did lunch and learns. So we're going to start doing less Monopoly, more lunch and learns. Yeah. Um, and so the idea is you can in Slack say PP shortcuts and all of the shortcuts appear. You type in, uh, PP project.

Tommy: You need the shortcuts to be in a file. Can you have it push a file?

Josh: Yeah. So this is what we could do. So PP project and I could send in Slack, like a Slack bot will automatically send you a template of Premiere Pro with all of our folder structures.

Tommy: And if you're playing at home and you have no idea what Slack is, because that is a thing, dude, everyone knows what Slack is. No, that is so not true, dude.

Josh: It's like text message.

Tommy: Who doesn't know what Slack is? A lot of people. If you have no idea what Slack is, email us.

Josh: Don't bother. No, but seriously, I've talked to people. I've been to dailytalkshow.com, but who?

Tommy: Go to a fucking party outside of your circle. Why would I do that? Yeah, I know. That was a— I was being passive-aggressive because I know you don't fucking do that shit.

Josh: I don't like it. Just like when you went to the gym yesterday.

Tommy: Uninvited.

Josh: I didn't go to the gym.

Tommy: You know that. No, but so some people have no idea about what Slack is. But it is.

Josh: But so what do you think of this, though? Like, just think how streamlined this is.

Tommy: What about this? What about this? Um, what else could you use Slack for? Big media company logo.

Josh: Yes, because you know when you're fucking hassled and you want to just want all of this, and so we could connect them up to, um, are there so many things we could do. So a Google Drive thing, so we could paste in the Google Drive links for these things. We could be like, uh, color, like, um, brand colors, all of it can be in Slack. So you could just be using Slack as this automation. You have to pay for it? No, it's included within Slack. And so I just want to get uh, really, because obviously we had the ransomware stuff, which was very disappointing. We're sort of near— nearing the end of that and fixing it all, which is nice. But I just want to make sure that we have— like, this is what, um, I can even set up a, uh, an agreement, a user agreement. So when you get your computer, you have to— like, I can put up like a BMC agreement using this laptop. Like, I could say no porn at the, the office.

Tommy: You'd have to click agree. And if you're caught, you need to transfer 0.01 bitcoins. Exactly. To our wallet.

Josh: It's cool though, hey?

Tommy: Do you think, do you think, uh, it's realistic? Like, I think about big companies that are actually profitable, they're doing this.

Josh: You think so? If you, if you have an IT department, that's why anyone who's an IT professional, hi@thedailytalkshow.com, are you deploying? Like, this is how you have to do it. And so the thing is that there's, um, some software—

Tommy: some IT departments are just swimming, they're just treading, but they have as a minimum, this is what they need.

Josh: Treading water, dude. So it's like, uh, so there's a tool called Munki, M-U-N-K-I, uh, it's open source. And it's so you can, uh, it will automatically— this is why I've been thinking about how you'll love this because you look after our insurance stuff, uh, it anything that goes onto the network, I can get the serial number for it and we can put it into like an assets manager. It's annoying for things— I know you've got an assets thing, but how easy that it just automatically get a new computer, boom.

Tommy: Oh, sorry, when you, when you connect to the Wi-Fi.

Josh: Yeah, okay. And so anyway, but the thing is that, um, I'm geeking out at it. There's probably a few things I need help with.

Tommy: If there's any Gronkh that has half an hour to geek, You know, especially if you have no idea what Slack is, you'll be helpful, real helpful.

Josh: If you're using MDS in your business, let me know.

Tommy: That's— they're the people you want to speak to. But I also think, are you in a— are you in an IT department and you just don't use half the shit? It's— I don't know what they're doing, fuck, you know, tinkering.

Josh: So the thing is that it's like if someone finishes, leaves a business What's the protocol? There has to be a protocol. Like, what happens to that device?

Tommy: How does it get— you see Atlassian are going all in on work from home.

Josh: 3 days a year work from the office.

Tommy: 3 days a year is all you need to come into the office. Yeah. Have you seen, um, that's crazy, dude.

Josh: Basecamp, what Basecamp are doing.

Tommy: Basecamp have changed an internal policy and given people the option to take their severance package if they don't agree with their terms of operation. Can I say there's a few things of So some of the things I liked—

Josh: can't harp on decisions that were made previously you don't agree with. I like that. If you do, out.

Tommy: Yeah, I did see the, the, the little ferret that wrote that article. Jason Fried, nice guy.

Josh: No. Oh, as in from The Verge?

Tommy: Made the business. Jason Fried. Yeah, seems great. They've got some good— fuck. Yeah, that works for The Verge. He might not be— what's the American version of ex, just like student loans. Yeah, student loan. No, but the way they make it out is like all these people are leaving based on this. I saw heaps of like, fuck, this is good severance, I don't even need to be here anymore, I'm going to leave and get a great payout and raise my kid. So there was some— I, it was quite salacious. I then jumped in, I was like, oh, some people are just choosing to leave.

Josh: Well, the thing is, you don't have to tell them why.

Tommy: You can actually just say, I want my severance package.

Josh: Give me my 6 weeks. So yeah, 6 months they give you.

Tommy: 6 months. Shit, dude.

Josh: 1/3 of the business left.

Tommy: It was a small operation.

Josh: 58 people or something.

Tommy: And so what were some of the negative ones?

Josh: So why people were leaving?

Tommy: Yeah, but what were the—

Josh: So yeah, so no politics to be talked about on any business platform. Sure. So if you're using Slack or for them, they internally use Basecamp, can't be doing it, which you know what? Like, I agree with—

Tommy: the thing is, the thing is, it's people being told what to— what they can speak about, what they can't, which is most people's problem.

Josh: Well, so the thing is that they, um, I think where they've been criticised is they were doing a bunch of work, I think, around like diversity potentially. Yeah, like having a committee. They're not doing committees anymore. Um, but having worked at a few businesses that have had committees Uh, dumb. I wouldn't say dumb, uh, potentially destructive and ineffective if not done correctly. And I could see why you would want to— like, all of a sudden you just have a bunch of gronks who get together who are very noisy that make it— start making huge changes within a business. And it's the, um, it doesn't actually reflect what the business is about. And so it's sort of— they become too powerful. And so yeah, you see, um, they're not doing committees anymore, which I sort of— I think that the thing is, uh, there are people within a business that's designed to make decisions. They should bring the people who are relevant to that conversation into the mix when they need to and say, hey, we're doing something on diversity, what do you think about this? Like, consultation's good, but having a random group who then becomes sort of the steering force of the company—

Tommy: the hard bit is most people don't care until someone else has made a decision and then they're like, but I don't like that. And so a committee could be the people who are— the task is to make a decision based on— not many people want to enter into having to think about making a decision, but as soon as a decision's made, it's like having feedback on someone's cooking. You've— but you have had no input, but there's a bit too much oregano in that. Yeah, I can—

Josh: yeah, well, I think that, yeah, you can miss the, um, I wonder, like, with a lot of this sort of stuff, so they're stopping a lot of the, um, uh, social impact stuff that they were doing. One of the interesting things is, so they, they used to give, um, gym memberships and all of this sort of, all these perks to the staff. To the staff. Not doing it anymore. Fair enough. We're saying, you know what, uh, it's actually not our business what you do after work. By us saying here's a gym membership or here's this. It's like me, like I did literally think, um, a bonus structure from a business perspective could be around a golf membership. Probably Jess is not going to be happy with that, right? Potentially.

Tommy: Yeah, the gym thing's a bit more general because it's the, the essence of it is health, whereas you, the essence of it is health, social. You want people to play golf. Not health. It's just— yeah, but there's definitely—

Josh: yeah, so anyway, the projected— so, but to be honest, like, you look at the gym example, you do the golf one, it seems ridiculous. It's actually not that different.

Tommy: I think their point is getting rid of a gym— like, is it control? Is it just having anything, any type of influence on what someone chooses to do outside of their work?

Josh: Yeah, so rather than saying, oh, like, yeah, you, um, are going to be rewarded if you go to a gym do this. It's like, you know what, we're going to give you the cash. So, they worked out what the financial amount was. Yeah. And they're just giving it. So, I mean, they're doing the same thing.

Tommy: Exactly.

Josh: But the thing is there is actually a bit of a difference.

Tommy: One, you could, what could you spend it on yourself? You could buy—

Josh: You could buy doughnuts if you wanted. Or a donut. Like you wouldn't have to, like the thing is that they were saying it's not our responsibility to say, you know, go to the gym or do this or do that.

Tommy: Do what you want.

Josh: Which I think like they're being criticized, but I, I like a lot of this stuff. Um, by that, I think there's a lot of people like, um, I was speaking to a mate last night and he was saying, oh, you know, uh, he, he runs a business. He was saying the people around him saying, uh, Basecamp, a bit out of touch, like they're not, um, they're not really sort of, uh, in touch with the common man nowadays.

Tommy: I mean, they're, they're a progressive business in that they've been remote for many years and flexible work hours, great material. Like, but then you want to privilege when you're looking at that versus imagine a fucking car manufacturer.

Josh: And so this is, this is the weirdness of all of this stuff, that there is a, um, I can't describe it, but having worked at businesses that have been high perk, high sort of like great place to work is a priority, there is a point where shit goes bad. There's a point, it's like the spoilt child effect. There is a point where not only do these perks not make lives better, but all of a sudden, if you're getting free gym memberships, if you're getting bonuses, if you're getting this, if you're getting that, all of a sudden, it's like, It becomes other issues, right? Like they work out other things. It's like, oh, you know what? Like, why? Why am I having to just— I can't even think.

Tommy: Take the Coke Zero out of the fridge that they get stocked and people lose it. Yeah.

Josh: Where is my Coke Zero? Exactly. Just get it.

Tommy: Yeah. No, I mean, it's— there's a lack of gratitude. Awareness in those moments. Like, what's the saying?

Josh: Um, nothing to see here. Thanks.

Tommy: Thank you for everything. I have no complaints. That's what people— if everyone at base camp said that, yeah, all good, all good, baby. The thing is, you know how we've talked about like going overseas and how you sort of look around, you're like, wow, you feel like, you know, and you want that, you want that vibe of what that sort of bright-eyed vibe back home, there is the reality that people haven't looked, ekh at tali, people haven't looked at their painting on their wall for 3 years in their house because you're so like numb to your current or you've just, it's just now so normal. This is the problem with Uber Eats. What is Uber Eats?

Josh: It's just like it's expected now. Is it? Yeah. Just like, like at your house? Yeah. It's not a treat anymore. No, no, no. It's what am I having for dinner? Yeah. And so, like, there is something.

Tommy: Good campaign. What's for dinner?

Josh: I'll be having. Oh yeah, I'll be having.

Tommy: Yeah. There's no excitement to your life of Uber now.

Josh: I had a delicious bowl this morning. Whatever. I just ate it. You know.

Tommy: Thank you for everything. I have no complaints.

Josh: Same. All right, well, uh, hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you're an IT professional and want to geek out about, uh, deploying some Macintosh computers. I know we've only got 5 at the moment, but looking, um, to scale. This isn't— I want to do— I want to learn it. So it's not about— I'm not trying to get contractors in or IT people. I want to actually— I enjoy geeking out. The one bit I'm having issues with is like, I think, like an SSL certificate, but Oh yeah, it happens.

Tommy: And also, if you haven't left a review, um, not telling you what you need to write, but maybe just write, thanks, thank you for everything, I have no complaints.

Josh: Apple Podcasts has been a pain in the ass lately. Why? People are really struggling with it. It's just, um, uh, all right guys, yeah, thank you for everything, I have no complaints. Go on to YouTube or Spotify.

Tommy: You push podcast to my fucking pocket for free. Technically not for free because I have to have an iPhone.

Josh: Anyway, all right, well, have a good one, guys. Bye.

Tommy: See you guys.