#067 – Steroids/

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It's the TD s t

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that riders stick to the intros the daily talk show everyone Episode 67 or just turned on the press the record button pointed at me so I have a panic

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and in fact that the abbreviation the actual yeah I just like my sat I got my hat backwards I'm acting cool Webbie I'm not

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wearing a hat. Yeah it looks good. I've retired the hat so really yeah no more hats because I I feel like matures you watch clear I and you've got a bit of advice again before I tell you why there is a we got to review and anytime I get we get a review through iTunes or the podcast app I like to celebrate yeah especially given the it's five stars

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it's by Russ underscore tick thanks Russ underscore tech and he says loving the podcast best fucking podcast I've listened to talking about absolute shit and Ross hopefully we can keep that going with this story about why no longer I'm wearing my hat. Yeah it's it's riveting. Welcome back Russ we're talking about absolute shit. So we were following through our official tagline now but no I was a hat guy for

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maybe the last six years since about it

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you really put yourself into the box but he call yourself a hat guy yes can you just be a guy that wears hats every now and then you then one day choose not to wear a hat or it's cold and you want to fucking more me head literally the early days

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when I was doing Josh speaking and I interviewed Hamish Blake before we sort of really connected and became mates and he I asked him one of the questions this is a career podcast I asked him where do you get your hats and like how much thought to keep it at you had

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one of Australia's biggest comedians your new show new ask him about hat and to be honest surprise because he didn't really have an answer is not man don't really think he's I think the fascinating thing about you you is you very thought out and that's in the nicest way possible. It is you Thanks like you're very calculated, but not It sounds like a motor. Oh yeah. But not over the top into it doesn't make you a massive Wheeler. Still a bit of a weirdo. am. I try hard. You're on the edge.

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But I think I think like I look at stuff you've done early life. Yeah. And I hope you think the same about me. And I go Who the fuck was that guy show you? I feel like you found your fate. Yeah. as a as a who you are. And in your own shoes. Yeah,

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I think that i've i've been weed for for a long period of time. And yeah,

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but I've just yeah.

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Refined a little bit but so no hats. Yeah, and there's a couple of reasons one this is going a bit medical I get like a little bit of fucking like it's like acne. I did some googling I think it's called follicle vitesse, which sounds great

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doctors out there. You can Yeah, but

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I I went on antibiotics. Maybe like three years ago for it because I shaved my head. And it was so fucking obvious. Really. And I still fucking have it. And I'm trying like I The other day I was reading online how to get rid of it. How do you get rid of it? Well, so there was a couple of suggestions. One was apple cider vinegar fact on the head. And they said people were saying that burns a bit but it works is vinegar to since you've had your body. And so the other suggestion was coconut oil. Which same like it would made a little bit more sense for whatever reason, but I think I use too much. I use like, I got a cup of cup and tipped it on my head. My and my in one area will get some of the back of my head. So I sort of put on the back of my head and then sort of exfoliating it. But then my hair was so sleek. It was like a GL, like put so much gel in my hair. combed it and it made it worse. And then it dude, it's sort of like to find my I don't know. Do you think I'm going bald,

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thin? thin on the top bit? My dad's got the classic is you've already level. Yeah, he's got the you know, like the old school. He doesn't really have he used to like when I was growing up. It was like this. He would have the side bit it's like the George Clinton so you're already like, 27. Yeah, so you'd think it would have gone maybe? And do I care that I think the only reason I don't care is because of the little fucking pimply things so I'm trying to say them say fact and drop it. Yeah. So but the rate that's one of the reasons why you've quit. You've retired the hat because I feel like it's not giving it an opportunity to braid my head guy and we had quite a bit a little bit but I was a full on like, snap back I had a custom one that I got my snapback

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so very nice. Are the hat people that happen ever wear those? Yeah, so but I can look she don't ask me.

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Yes, show you when your mom Tommy's wearing sort of a trucker style mesh hat. Yeah back What does it say on it. It's like Ex Machina the juice

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the juice it's a motorcycle brand Ex Machina x maquina sada

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but how how much thought Do you give to look

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not as much as I used to

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you Although you did fracking say that my hair had extended from my head all the way down my neck and onto my back so it was now one pays for it's very yeah you told me

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in front of you what you Mrs. And my wife. You're quite hirsute is the word yeah Terry and then look at me now off fuck off go I saw Tommy says showing he says Liffey shout out a tree a tree my back I will I am he did it after I made that comment. Yeah because I have power guys words have power

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well itself not self conscious. But I you know it's been somewhat it will be like if I go I do what's on the back your neck and you fucking had been thinking about it. Yeah, like I've been thinking about getting their hair off their back and I get nothing and those are typically zero business model in this place. We can walk in as a man and just fucking pay 10 bucks and have you back just fucking shaved off walk out takes a few minutes or Sri Lankan lady doing my hair the other day yeah and she was so polite she's like she's just like was doing my like my mic was going like lower and lower like getting just probably halfway down

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she's just like oh yeah, it's it's still part of the head there is

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and I don't know if you've seen him this is a bit away from what we're talking

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he's also actually a man who has little body hair because he's a big massively motherfucker and he goes to the gym and I'm sure he just gets it all off yeah gets all these hair off well that's what I can say anyway and then he said parking specter in the area where I have my office Collingwood Melbourne yeah he's the massively is dude you've ever seen. I feel like you've you've we've seen him at Nando's Exactly, and I made a comment to him. Yeah, I say What did I say? No one's gonna fuck with you. You were just one ticket inspected now and fucking with Yeah, you were really sucking up he's loved it anyway. I mean, I saw him like an hour ago and we ended up having a great chat. turns out he's got nearly 10 k followers on Insta he's a bodybuilder like a professional bodybuilder yeah and he's we've got mutual friend he knows because I used to work in gyms and stuff and so he's got a whole bunch of mates His name's a TIFF and he's like an IF BB pro so he's he's really pro card in bodybuilding. What's a pro card mean it'd be so you you go in like these pre competitions that give you like the pro card it's like the access to being able to compete on a national level. Like for legit competition so you at a pro level so you're like an elite level of bodybuilding. And so I've had any but Dude, you seem He's like, the friendliest, lovely guy that's in there. Yeah. Wow. Yeah,

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I remember him. But I've always been fascinated about ticking inspectors and like what people would do to them what and Nolan's fact and doing anything to that one but I'd love to know if people have wanted to you know test these fucking strength because he is a big gos you like full time did you ask him about his work where he works he doesn't make much money

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but he body builds on the side and works obviously as a pocket inspector

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their money in bodybuilding or not. There is at the very top

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it's you end up getting sponsors who then pay for everything so food because the cost of bodybuilding is ridiculous. And its majority food and

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drugs, really. So they're all on drugs. Hundred percent. All the big bodybuilders, yeah,

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all on steroids.

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Like Arnold Schwarzenegger, he was on steroids.

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And he was at the pro level Have you ever done steroids? Yes. Okay. What is it? What is the What is it? What does it do to it? Sam

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thing we still fucking stupid. First of all, why is stupid? Well, for me, it's like, it's totally personal. I mean, it's, it's a, it's a silly thing to do. If you don't really have if you're not a fucking athlete.

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Not if you've gotten

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you're not gaining anything through them. Yeah.

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Other than muscles. Yeah. And it's a personal choice. I was like, 19, which is probably done because I was young. My body hadn't fully

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developed. You have to put it in your bomb. Yeah, it's like,

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injection type of thing. And, and so right now, it sounds weed. And it does same way to me now, because I'm not around it. I was around gyms every fucking day, 10 hours a day, dude, who were doing it? Yeah,

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it just became. So it's a community thing, right? But yeah, like, once you once you're around that space, all of a sudden, it normalizes and I get, I get worried. Sometimes when I think about the things that have normalized around me. Just naturally, as you become an adult, you just become sort of immune to things or you starting like, things don't shock you as much. I remember. Like, if anyone did any drugs. When I was like, the idea of someone getting high or dope would like, I'd be like, I'd consider them a bit of a junkie, it's like, no, I get it naturally, as I get older and meet more people. And I'm around different spaces, especially being in a creative industry. A lot of people to pot Yeah.

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Andreessen and I used to do a lot of that, too. And I feel like okay, talking about that. I haven't done it 10 years.

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But the, the steroid thing is interesting, because I've thought about whether I even talked about on this or not, if it comes up, and that's why pause for a moment. But then

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I was like, it was another life for me, it feels like and what was the what was the experience? Like, what was so do you remember distinctly the decision to give it a go? Yeah,

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no, it definitely isn't some defining moment where I'm like, yep, I'm starting. But it just, I ended up just making the decision. Can't remember it being a real prominent moment. But then next minute, you you jabbing your ass with steroids. And so there's no. So the difference between taking a steroid and something like ecstasy is like, ecstasy gives you instant, or within the half an hour of taking it gives you you turn, you change your thinking, you know, it could, it could fuck you up, and you just like off your face, and totally noticeable. steroids aren't like that. You take it and it's like, it just work. So it feels like there's more like, if, to me, from an outside perspective, this seems like there's more of a it's an enhancer, which I guess like speed and all these things are too bad. It is for I could see the appeal for people from a self development point of view. And I guess the same way with psychedelics and it seems like a big topic, I'll tell you what it does it increase my motivation in turn, because you're doing something and you're thinking, Oh, I'm going to get all these results, which literally, if you are training, so there is that placebo effect of mentally thinking fact I can, okay, I'm going to go hide because I know I'm doing this. But then the reality of if you are training and eating rods, if the results I put on like 10 kilos of muscle. Well, there would have been in fluid and stuff as well. But my body completely changed. Like, my chest grew. I like I went from not really having a chest like, Am I going to define like a prominent chest? Yeah. You said yeah, like, I didn't have that shape before I started. And so I was around people will training five days a week eating, you know, six, seven meals a day. And yeah, it becomes a bit obsessive, though. That's what I don't like about it. And I've spoken to friends who are drug addicts that they know like, Oh, I'm just gonna take, I'm just gonna do a course of steroids. It's like, Dude, what it does the mental state as far as, like, you hone in on these things. That motivation, you just, I'm like, really fucking for me. And I think for someone who would be an addict. It's like, it's, it's another form of that, but just in a different way, and maybe a healthier way. Right? Because the the side effects that people experience like there has been, I've got made to evade on steroids for 25 years. Yeah, literally, every year, they'd probably take a few courses of steroids. That's not to say that it's okay to do it. But these people if that were taking ecstasy once a week, for 25 years, I'd be fact. Yeah, so the. So it's a weird thing, because it's in this space of health, and like, you know, your body and training every day and eating well, but then you doing this thing that is it synthetic.

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There's all different types. But is

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it what I wonder is, inspectors means it's like it. So testosterone so you can get testosterone is natural, or I guess you could have a synthetic. I don't know anything about any of the

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so there's like ones that is it naturally? Is it increasing something that's already naturally produced? Yes. So if you were taking testosterone, yeah, you're putting more of what your body naturally produces in the system. And so there's an argument, then some people naturally have high testosterone. Yeah,

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and if you were to try and create a reason for taking in or justifying it, and it would be I have low testosterone, I want to be playing in this sort of big boys game, whatever you want to do. You can go to the doctor and do a test to see what your testosterone levels are. And there's an average for men and women have low levels of testosterone, their body. And so you can you can get it prescribe to you through a doctor if they see that you don't have high level of testosterone. So what's the difference between that and what's the, what's the one that they I saw from? What's that documentary? Bigger? model strong is stronger, I can something something and fit. Wait, no, it's not amphetamines, what's the what is steroids? steroids are anabolic anabolic steroids.

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So there's different types of steroids. Yeah. Do you know about the shoe? Yeah, I don't have enough knowledge. I learned a lot about it there. I was doing research

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looking online looking for what people's side effects words, preventative asthma. Medicine is a steroids it's a completely different Yeah, so that's,

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that's a no that's not anabolic. It definitely made You've made me feel on edge it like think about it can make you horny. These are things think about it's like your testicles produce testosterone. Yeah. And you're having this heightened level of testosterone within your body so road rage is real you think if you are an angry person who takes steroids fact may look at because you're essentially it's very animalistic, almost Yeah. It's it's primal. Like if I can like a pitbull use fact, I remember feeling on edge once in the car. And I just felt like, you know, it's not anxious rules, like,

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gritting your teeth. Yeah. Yeah.

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That feeling is like you've got too much energy and your fuckin a to get to that. Yeah,

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so you want to call him a few trace. He's definitely need to be going to the gym. When you take steroids, what your Echo would happen. If I just started taking steroids and didn't change any of my habits you would blow out. You just get

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a lot with so much water or related so it heightens everything. If you take steroids and you're eating like shit, you're gonna look like a sheet. So that's why there are like this. Some people who have weight issues, and it's because they're taking steroids for some other like a dead fish. I wouldn't be able to say, but I know that if you take an anabolic steroids in a like, shoot, your body fucking just blows up. The thing is, all it does is it turns your body into a recovery machine. Yeah. And why people lift weights on steroids is because I lift weights, the muscles break down and they repair superfast. So you can try and double we can try and quick joints and knee all that stuff. Like every stats. Repairing quicker. Yeah, sure. But then. And so that's that's all it does. And so that's why it's not like people I think it's seen and frowned upon. Because you know of how you you take it and and the people that do it. But it was totally normal to me. What were the what were the conversations around it? In regards to did you end up having family members or someone bring it up like this? It was it did everyone around? You know that you're doing it all my mates? Yeah. And that's Yeah.

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And so that's why it's like, I don't think he you'd feel like you're a drug addict hiding things. If you had no one. No one who did it around you. You know, I guess this is why all that Lance Armstrong stuff happy, right? It's like a tribe of people. Everyone's doing it becomes normal. And so what was Do you remember the last time you took it? Yeah.

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So I was 22,008 faculty long time ago, 10 years ago. 10 years? Correct? It was before I

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did the stripping in New Zealand, I talked

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about. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. During the earlier episodes

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before I went on that tour of New Zealand, and I like and I wasn't gonna risk taking them with me. Of course, I was in New Zealand, but I just started the second time do you only take them for like six weeks? Once a week? Something like that. So once or twice a week. But that's it and a small amounts. And so I was going to do it again. And then my, the flat and I stopped in never do it again. Never had any interest of doing it. Yeah,

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it's only like, I I wonder if it wasn't an injectable. How many more people would take it? Yeah. Just I feel like the putting something in your bum shaking. Like cutting through Because? Because it's a big muscle. Right. That's entering into Is that why you do it? I'm like, because you injected on, you know, in your bomb home. I used to for the longest time parasite in your bomb. Just. Yeah. Just in the tissue on the big the belly. He liked the

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the gluteus maximus. Yeah, I kind of straighten it and they small it's like, it sounds horrible. And you can judge me. But it's like, it's, it's not when you're doing it. Which doesn't give any excuse to do a back to juice it. What's our side effects? Did you say? Did you get little balls? Did you notice any of that? They

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do shrink a bit. Yeah. So you actually notice the bowl itself the little bit? You're shrinking down a bit,

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because your body's not producing the test. doesn't need to be putting it in manually. Yeah. So they do but then they come back. It's

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such as half the new things so we will you like, super conscious of that. Now as a you just don't. I know.

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I remember thinking a little bit. But it's so quick. Six weeks, and then he danced

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the privacy is very graphic. The problem is Jelly Bean size would have gone.

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I'm just I noticeably bit small. Yeah, you can. Definitely.

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Okay. I think men are always touching their nuts. So you get a gauge I think. But anyway, the side effects there's a lot for some people, but I didn't have many. And which doesn't mean you should do it. You don't find which is why don't don't fucking do it. No. It's like, Yeah, and I get it. No, it's scary to Rebecca. The thought that I did that. Right. Because there's some serious shit around like that. You can if you have cancer cells, it can. Yeah,

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increase the quickly. It sounds like growing. Everything is elevating. Well, it's probably like shortening your lifespan. You're essentially like going through the years quicker might be like you just fucking growing. I didn't I

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do this amount like the bodybuilders now would be spending thousand bucks awake. really funky? How much do you reckon you spent on it? I was like, three, four, maybe 600 bucks in total. So you think about like, 600 bucks total over the you just like a vial of it.

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And then we're like, how do you find these types? Drugs? You just go to the

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knife friends? Yeah. Friends that got it. Which is like you then as a damn naive teenager putting the trust into you made? Yeah. who's putting the trust into someone else? Yeah. Which they're not in medical vital. So I was like, fucking dangerous. Yeah. Which. And so what's the where do we say this. So it's in bodybuilding. Any other like sport like the athletes tend to do this, or 100%. And so that's the thing you wouldn't know. For some athletes that are out there that just need to recover their joints. They'd be fully plays that are doing it. But there you look at on it. You know, you people used to be our actors, like as if

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on the size of

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that, dude. How, how quickly gets to these? Yeah, I think about the medical support you'd have. Yeah, you know, looking after his blood work, eating the right food. You know, he's got a $2 million contract for a movie to a $10 million contract. And he needs to hit this fucking goal. It's like, you can't train you can try and pretty hard. The body's fucking massively resilient, but there is a level of training that you can that you can only get to. Yeah, if

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people haven't seen the documentary. Icarus. It's fascinating. That's the the Russian drug taco. Yeah. It's amazing. Look how normalized it is in their world. Yeah. Cycling massively. Mm hmm. But then there's this stigma this this disconnection between public perception and reality. Isn't that so? Then you apply like the around how can you How could they be their authentic self like, it's so interesting. I was listening to

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Lance Armstrong on a podcast. He's just pretty fucking angry about shit. pretty angry, dude. I guess the lesson is that just because people have done these big things, you don't necessarily need to be a nice person or a have great values to get far in a lot of things. Yeah,

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I mean, he was in a sport where everyone else was doing. Yeah. So who won the Tour de France? The guy who came 10th because all the other guys were on drugs. Yeah. And so if everyone else is on it, and then you like, that's, that's an easy justification. More fucking there on it. I'm going to be on but he's in a phenomenal athlete. Yeah, take that

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away from the whole thing. And I think that was his point. It's like, people saw that, you know, he did drugs and was like, what was because there's dragons. It's like, not his point was, I fucking try and really hot you do every single thing that you need to do from training to sleep to die it and then you also do the drugs. Yeah. And it's like,

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if you just did the drugs and then didn't do all the training and stuff. He wouldn't have had the success that he did the dangers like, you know, the people go to these music festivals. There's a massive that take the tops off. So they're training, you know, like, it's like that bro. Culture. They train hard to get the top off at festivals. Yeah, and then I fucking drink shit loads and take doing so

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many things. So dangerous. Do you see, you know, you're talking before about addiction and might have drug addiction? Do you feel that

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drug addiction?

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Do you? Are you addicted to a drug? Or when you're a drug addict? Does it not matter? What the choice what the actual drug is? So for instance, if I'm like, if I'm addicted to fucking ice, would I then just be fucking open to taking anything? I'm addicted to anything that's going to give me a boost if you got any sort of personal stories of that or night like a someone who's I can on heroin or something. Yeah, I can have a more likely to do steroids that probably maybe, I don't know, I've got a friend who's an alcoholic. And it says it's a thing that they came to a conclusion they came to ice around what they've been doing, not just drinking just everything. Yeah. And so like,

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I drink I also if I can do spirit, you don't want to your call whatever, these tries it bag if I can get in fights. And so it's this flow on and so they identified that for them. And they, they've changed completely different. I sent him a message recently, and I said, you the person who you're meant to be because he's changed so much. Yeah, I fucking said, I'm so proud of you, bro. Like, it's amazing, right? And then I had another guy who's a head wasn't it had killed himself that took everything else. DJ I said. Yeah, actors had to get off it and cannot touch any drug. Yes, it's just a rabbit hole for him. But it'd be interesting to have a drug addict on the show. We could get a guy who seemed go out into wearing calling would run around. We are fine. One guy in a mic whole. Yeah, he's been to jail. He's been a heroin addict and alcoholic. He's died. Come back to life. Trust me. So I jumped off a bridge Frank and legit, he he now owns a rehab clinic. And they do amazing work. And so he he understands. And I've filmed him talking for five hours doing an interview series and just hearing the mind of an addict. And it's really it's super fascinating. He was interviewed on Craig half his podcast and he just shares it's just insights

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into the mind of an addict. And I'm not even gonna bother trying to explain it. Because you want to hear it from his mouth. No, definitely. But it's fascinating. I think you would really enjoy it. talking to a guy like that. I think I've never entered into any of these spaces. And you mates been dragging. I've I've never I can say I've never been in the presence of anyone taking drop. Really? Yeah,

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never alcohol. Yes. But I could probably count like in the last even the last 10 years I could count on probably one one hand maybe two hands ham. How many people I've actually been in the company that he is like intoxicated. How many z Sam council

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to turn to have a totem. He's got his own Instagram underscore type. Yeah, No, I haven't. And won't touch that. Because I feel like I am predisposed to making bad choices. Maybe or just I I'm a fucking control freak. So the the idea that a substance whether it's alcohol, I don't even take pen at all and stuff. Like when I I've had two herniated discs, they still still fucking herniated. When I got them, and I was in pain. I could barely walk I wouldn't take pain meds because I am

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heard the stories of the people who it's like kind of fucking bad back take some pain meds. This is working. So I'm just going to stop I'm gonna take this for the rest of my fucking life. And for me these pain this pain was signals to my body which is like slow down sort out. You wait to all these things. And I didn't want the band aid I didn't want that band that effect so even things like penicillin stuff I just don't take painkillers I'll if I've got a headache. I'll drink you know a liter of water. And the thing is that I don't get like the migraines that site your wife Amy. Get to where it's like, fucking debilitating. Um, I'm sure that probably be a different story.

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Anyone who hasn't taken drugs? I always say Don't. Don't start. Don't bother. Yeah, don't bother. Yeah, I mean, it's a journey gone. It's paper you around. And it's the choices you might because it's you know, growing up you hear the stories are the gateway drugs. You know, marijuana leads to this into that. Essentially they are. Yeah, but it's not as dramatic. Is that right? There's slow effects and you know, it's, it's unfortunate. That grip some people yeah, drugs to script on people. And if you're like, identify it, you pretty in tune with your self. This is every chance you won't be that it? Yeah. Why the fuck if you have thoughts? Would you ever test something? Yeah,

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I mean, I for the one of the first times I had like wine sort of socially, you know, at our place. The other day I had red wine was great. Like I was a little bit tweaked would have a cab. I don't know what a taxi driver would have had probably three classes. Three or four glasses. A house definitely feeling like a little bit like, I just felt like what I noticed I was doing is I was like, looking at someone and I was just smiling. I can stop

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but um, I

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I in that my, to the day after I was like, I actually enjoyed that and I feel relaxed I felt connected and we're having a good time

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a bottle of red he doing a crack. Yeah, why not? But I do you've got a whole fucking

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awful looks anything but the thing is, I think I was started I started to look ahead and I'm like, Okay, what would my feature be like if all of a sudden I created this is a thing and every Friday night like for me to unwind, I need to have a wine and I just I don't want to do that. So I think it would be for me wine is going to be a an experience which is an older like an everyday thing or weekly thing it's like once a month or something we're at and it's wine specifically like I don't like it's probably a good rule to have for height the taste of B and and I saw it seems like it that's like so but I do enjoy red wine I think so do you think you gravitated away Why from PayPal because of what they were doing is any you mates like actually I don't have that many friends like you know I don't have that many coal my only friend Tommy a close friend like I am I not I'm a weed social part I like small groups I like catching up with people individually big like going out to lunch going out to breakfast I'm the guy like brain I the couple that if you have a Sunday morning free will hang out more crab breakfast no so thing I'm not the like I've got a Friday nights drinks thing that I was invited to on Facebook I'm going but I can I can count on one hand how many fucking birthday drinks I've been to it because I just don't like a mike Watson I just stand

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like and what do I do that like do they are they are found I found them blurry I know people like oh you know just get amongst it but like when I'm not drinking or not have to drive ads element but it's decision whether you go not you've made the decision I just don't I just prefer to

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whatever the thing is it's not that I'm not I'm close to people outside like if it's a birthday and they've got a drinks I'll be like let's let's go out for lunch this week or next week or like do something else around it to celebrate it because also I know that when I'm in a scenario where I've got there's a table of

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I feel like

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I can get a bit silly de de look at what my life is you know the footage are showing you in Vegas and how loose it was and just the sheer Should I was told you is there any Do you think fac if I would have liked a bit of that nah I think that I am

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no not at all I think that for me it's

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I like I'm not a homebody I think home bodies the right word. Maybe it is. I much prefer entertaining people I have much for for the idea of having people around. And for me, even if I think about like having a house or having it's like the idea of having a barbecue. Having people over

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goes well with one. Yeah. So I think that that's that's a good choice. Don't just be you Mac. Thank you. Thanks to everyone else. Be YouTube. And yeah, don't do drugs, everyone. It's the daily talk show. Thanks again for all of your reviews through the podcast slash iTunes app. If you've ever done it for anything else, just do us a favor and for us to it's the daily talk show on there. And you can send us an email to high at the daily talk. show.com. We'll we'll see you tomorrow. Bye guys.