- April 11, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Wednesday April 11 (Ep 62) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett. –
The ADHD drugs all the college kids are taking, confidence and the habit of over analysing people.
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The Daily Talk Show Episode 62 Tommy jacket what's going on I wanted to say 62 you got in I was hoping you let me say it wasn't we had a low vibe yesterday flatters fact apology you call it flatters fact that
you're making it the present call it flat is fine let's let's do that probably wouldn't rank well having F in there that's true
baby baby look not much was watching a documentary as you do yeah George hasn't seen a film don't ever get any conversation about film we can only watched nonfiction don't have time for
your recommendation of a Docker. Josh is ego
Yeah. Well I don't remember the titles but there was one take your pills on Netflix at the moment talking about all the Add drugs
if I can. You would have been as a kid that I said Josh might need to take some pills.
I think I've told you before that the my memory would use that as a constant threat. She said. If you don't fucking behave. I'm taking you to the doctors. And we're getting admitted up.
I'd be like, No, you can't stop me.
You can't settle me down. Like I was really worried that it was going to fuck with me. It would have you would have been Yeah, like Ritalin or Adderall. All these things. I think it's
big in America. Yeah,
but what happened? What's being in America eventually makes its way to here. And so yeah,
take your pills talking all about how these amphetamines
like Adderall. And shit. I think that amphetamines, I think that's what I was saying. They are used by students to stay focused. Yeah. Yeah,
so they've got the it's like
Sudafed, so it's a it's got speed what's got that in it? Yeah so it helps
wonder why they put in a must so when you like cold and flu tablets have Sudafed in it which brings you up yeah you actually become a bit more lively when you've you've had some sort of and so that so what they're saying where they just fucking having these so they can get focused in pump out work yeah so
it's a common practice in like colleges and stuff a lot of people will fake there you know add to try and get it for one but also there's a bit of a black market so there's fucking Facebook groups where people will like a sound similar role but what was interesting about it was near the end so there was like fucking college football players using it and they use it because you can get these exemptions so as there was a chick who had an exemption who basically I think Ritalin and all both useful add different sort of fracking chemicals maybe ones like a amphetamine ones and methamphetamine are signing up think up my fact that I'm probably fact that basically different strand and you can get an exemption and it's specific to your strand so if so what apparently happened with this one person was they took a they were prescribed Adderall and they took riddle and one day or whatever and then they piss into a thing and then they come back as positive to the drug that they're not exempt yes but where where like college players are using the struggle is because it
It boosts your confidence in the sense of you will you'll run further your fucking you know smashing two people had it's good for focus so you'll stay focused on the ball those types of qualities so they they take they think is like a super feel
yeah a little you're taking something right so they're thinking is like
thinking is doing what is that placebo effect yeah
what no so that it's um. What's up the placebo effect but it's an addict it's actually something that's highly addictive and so that's why it's a controlled substance because if I can take it and starts off as I yeah it's great it's boosting shit and then over a long period of time it can create all of these other side effects anxiety all this other shit but what what was happening we're
talking about placebos. They did do a test where they basically this was using these years ago I think the 50s or something they had all of this sort of the the Adderall type drug the you know what's you know the the main ingredient of that tested on a bunch of students and also gave people like a placebo like a like a control control whatever. Anyway, what they found was that the only thing that people ticked there was different was a heightened sense of confidence so basically what they were saying is it doesn't make you fat can better insurance it doesn't make you a better fucking Rana in the sense of foreplay doesn't actually physically doesn't do anything. It just gives you the confidence that you are better. Okay, so for me, I've been running three days in a row, please.
So you want to add a row? No,
I'm not. No, I'm not on that role. But I I've been doing the experiment where I tell myself you've just taken it you're talking on that arrow. And I mean, I've been running the three case without stopping he confidence is increased? I think so do I look confident
you seem confident you wearing and I've learned this only from you. horizontal stripes. And you're looking good. Thank you. So you're owning it. I'm owning a few a feeling from P. You wouldn't horizontal stripes
and thank you Queer Eye for the straight guy. It's teaching Josh Queer Eye when you're watching it. You learned that was a queer
confidence is a funny thing, because I find it's like, fleeting. And I just thought then that if, if you have no confidence,
getting caught, like I feel like confidence can compound so like I thought about someone who's successful, someone who's had, you know, sold a bunch of businesses. Yeah, and now has a bunch of cash and feels like they're on top of the world. And they've got barriers broken down, you know, I could do this again. I've done it three times. Yeah, confidence that they would have versus a person that's just starting a business. Yeah, it's probably miles and will depart. And so it's, it's growing, like, you've been rewarded by your success and your confidence. But I also think it can be fleeting like it goes. And so maybe someone who's sold a bunch of businesses when they confidence goes, or they feel like they've had a blow, or they're just feeling a bit insular, and they, you know, thinking and stuff, but when they come back, it will be higher. Yeah, because they leave they the tank of confidence, he's great at
what we said, I think that we, you know, we'd level up confidence, maybe. So, for instance, if you do a bigger event, like, if your emceeing events or whatever the bigger events you do the time you feel less confident, but after you do it, you then build a little bit more confidence so it's just like to play ation and then fucking extending it amazing how you seem like a pretty confident person and as a someone who's presenting doing radio stuff, where do you think like how is your confidence change?
I think my confidence like when I'm doing more I feel more confident when I stop and become like, over analytical and stuff and I am in my head thinking about doing and then I get annoyed that I'm not doing and then I feel like I've you know lost a bit of my confidence but I feel I feel quite confident the moment I said that to you today really said I said I am feel like I'm on a wife and I see and I had it is like a wave metaphor so currently I'm surfing a good solid wife you know she can I can fall off the board but I feel pretty confident yeah i think that the
it's a it's a mindset thing which is going to affect so I think the things that maybe aren't good for confidence is comparison I think old souls yeah exactly five or 10 kj more than you should Yeah, True. True. No, I think comparison is a fucking hard one right? Yeah. Because we look at people perhaps comparison and we say okay we we trick ourselves by saying it's market research this fact and saying what the market What's the fucking idiot across the right what are they
in then we start to fucking compare ourselves yeah it's very I think it's very hard to
to look at
you know to look at yourself in a sort of a realistic way I'm sure you've had this I had no
idea fact this is the best idea it could be a business could be a video idea yeah and then you see someone who's done it an Eli that confidence hit yeah because you'd painted it Amazon I thought about
and then yeah
it just knocks that rattles you confidence yeah with someone or you can have your confidence rattled just from a comment from somebody but what's the real difference between because I think you know anything we're talking about the opposite to someone without confidence is someone who's feeling confident and he's having success but it's like
I guess it's a confidence in what confidence has a budget so it's confidence in because I'm what's the difference between arrogance and confidence Do you think um.
Well it might be it's like a false sense that you actually have that skill you know say you you're coming in conference fee coming in arrogant to the field or a fighter comes in being very arrogant and I think that's a really clear why the USC there's a lot of arrogant dudes fucking, and they get knocked out.
What's the definition? Well, fact. What's the definition of arrogance?
quality of being arrogant
quality, the quality of being arrogant, thanks for taking
some shit. But I
think the fighters are good thing. He didn't. He didn't have the capability that he thought he did. And the other fighter came in was confident. So is that the only different but I think that you can be arrogant and still be very good at it too. Right? So you could be super confident. So say magician who's real fucking good, right? Just fucking knows how to handle these tricks. magician. Can we do something else? A magician isn't doing magic. It's not fucking magic. But they're so fucking. They can be rude. arrogant about it. Like they are. Yeah,
like just a cup. What's the difference between a confident magician and an arrogant magician? I guess it's his tone or her time Yeah. Not many female magicians on another point. Anyway, it because all the men are just fucking killing it. And being widows. So many we'd magicians Yeah. Well, if you're a magician, maybe. Wait. But I've had some experience with we shouldn't. Yeah, there's. I mean, it's takes what mean? What qualities I've thought about magic, like doing more magic. Well, I just. I like the idea of sleight of hand. I felt that would be real handy. What? vein dodgy Yeah, just being able to be like packing, dropping things places and doing little fun. I like the idea of having a deck of cards and just paying off. I can fling it from one hand to another. That's arrogance. You want to be seen as this. See, can they can fucking magic tricks. Yeah, maybe
just. Yeah, I think you what is the what do you think? The difference between confidence and arrogance? I don't know.
I think that the I think it's all in the fucking person. I think it's the exact same thing where people talk about you know, like, the difference between like someone who's creepy and like, super sweet is just whether you like them or not. Um, it's probably the same thing where it's like, if a guy like whites outside of chicks house and like, like singing songs. Yeah, if she likes him. That's really sweet. We see it as an issue. Doesn't Israel second grade. Do you see I've
Do you think I come across as arrogant?
Nah, yeah. No, probably not. Since maybe.
I think arrogance
is something that
you can only
it seems more superficial in its diagnosis. So if someone's being arrogant. It's normally I think there's always a negative i don't think there's a good arrogance is there because our confidence so I think the only time like if if there's maybe fake confidence is arrogance. Maybe
if you feel like you're fucking really top dog. Because, you know, confidence comes from I think realizing that you can lose a bunch of times and you're like, you know what, I'm confident myself, that type of thing. I think my confidence I feel like I'm I think my confidence he's coming from this understanding that and being and me being accepting of
the fact that no one everything I do is fucking great. Yeah. And I feel like that means that what then that it's like a great approach for me, which will get me the result of greatness is like, I feel like I'm having more goals than I've ever in my life. Yeah, and I'm more Okay, with sheet not being not being good or not being perfect. We don't think like, what are your rules to life? Do you think I've been thinking about this
today with big question? Okay, that's true. And we do talk about that. Today we're talking about, like, I tend to sometimes be quite high, but
just out with a big question. And then give me some flow, you
know, sort of filter back. So for instance, I've been thinking about
gossip or talking about people. It's that classic thing of its own cliche, which is like, you know, feel good event like fucking big minds, talk about ideas, small minds, talk about people, which I get in theory when you're upset with some facts because they're talking about you in reality, like I I think that like given way out people, people, it makes sense that you talk about people as well. However,
as a rule, I think it's a good quote like, how do you feel when you talk about sound like you talk about someone in a negative sort of second you and I talk about a lot of other people, but not in a bad way. We like to actually dissect what other people are doing. Yeah, and I think if you were caught up in talking about other people with no other thought than being driven by the emotion that that person or their action has made you feel I'm fucking out range that person you see that decade? Yeah. Versus like, you see that dude? How fucking loose that motherfucker is? Yeah,
what's he thinking? Like? Well, this is the interesting thing, right? I was watching a video that what was his name the guy the CEO of Patreon, Dan Dan. He did it he did a great video for Casey Neistat to get the other day to get a meeting with Casey
it was and I thought he was a nobody. This guy might watch this video How did you find it by the way, and I just actually saw it in a like a suggested video. JACK
Conti? is his name? jack Conte. Yeah. So he did a video watch the video D Casey Neistat, from the CEO of Patreon very good video but I was watching oh good what's what you want to these other videos and it was like it's called the
told the net I think it's called the net and basic he talks about your three realities Google If you have time, your three realities, right? Basically what he's saying is have a contract and remember or threat like there's your reality there's the reality of like, what a camera or an audio recording will capture and then there's the reality of the other person and he's point is you never know the third reality and you can have a better understanding for communication if they're very good at communicating. But you will never understand that third reality and so one of the interesting things that I was reflecting on is I think that I like to look at analyze people and say this is why they're doing what they're doing yeah how often are we saying like
that I actually one of the things I love asking you wouldn't it yeah cuz
I'll be like I actually think that their their mom hates them and because of that they are now taking it out on this this and this and then they were bullied as a kid and now they insecure yeah it's that sort of shit right you have
so much confidence in that area of working out why fucking idea
right it's actually it's literally like the people who watch a crash investigations and think that they're attacking like they understand aviation they're like are the reason the fucking plane went down because of the the the fact of velocity of the the third wing that sort of shit saying why I do that I think that's a bad quality lock it because I entertain it so I know you do that and I love asked well I think that we do I do get off have been on it when I got back I'm enjoying that this person is back in delude they've got no idea what they're thinking but I know that the reason that they're reacting the way they are is because they hate themselves I think that's a bad quality
yeah I think they're not all as brutal as that yeah sometimes they just like I love asking you about what you think Casey Neistat doing Yeah. Because you always have a solid answer because you thought it
was really funny because we do talk about it a bit where it's like yeah
anyone is that I that I What do you ask? What questions do you think you are? So I asked you always about what do you think? Or to Casey Neistat thinking with the stuff
where is he going with it? Yeah, and I like it's like,
Can you tell me a story? I actually quite like your imagination of
what I think so Casey, let's talk about case. If you don't know, Casey Neistat, he's a blogger. One of the biggest one of the biggest YouTube is he had a business called beam bought by CNN had some issues left beam his now what it what's the 3236369 368-369-6936
the most original name for business? Because I can't remember it. But anyway, he Yeah, he's got this space. So yeah, you do, you can get in and sort of start deconstructing and saying, okay, so he's had a lease on an office. Yes. And then this is why he's doing the thing. But
I think that what we do when we talk about people and stuff like that, we are revealing our own securities in the Senate. And I recognize that and that's why I sound like the reason that they're doing this thing I think is because he needs to justify right now. Like, he's so he's just so from a PR point of view. He's, uh, he's finished his business. Yeah. And he needs to communicate to the world that he's like, he's got a fresh start. He's doing this thing. And what's because that's what we would do, right. But for whatever reason, a lot of people hate the thing that they would do. Like, if, if it's coming from a place of height. It's normally because you can relate. Maybe
what I love about his approach is, I think that he's also there's a massive level of, I've got no fucking idea. And I'm letting you in for the ride. It's the ethos of his filmmaking, right, like, turn the camera on, and the story will come. Yeah, and it's one approach. But, you know, that can also be a facade for watchfulness behind what you're doing, and making it feel like that.
Well, I think that they can be, I think that the things that resonate with people is when the, the actions that someone takes is a lot is in line with the values they're communicating. So for instance, the one thing and this is why I don't like I don't like being a fucking What is it called a keyboard warrior, or a fucking chair? See, what is it called? what's the
what's the one quarterback? Yeah, I'm cheering Yeah,
I don't like any of that stuff. But I think some of the things I think about with cases and which I question myself, which is like, he's
with, he's new. He's got a big new space. Yeah, he's like, over there. Like, we can be. I'm starting my podcast, because now I can create a studio and my initial reaction is like, Well, you could create a podcast like with, you know, $100, and it was almost like, what we're talking about yesterday, where we talking about gear, and what do you need? Yeah, reality is to do a podcast, or you need is a fucking iPhone. Yeah, true. Not even. So. I mean, I think that i think that that's hard. But I think it's a sheet quality. I think that it's, um, yeah,
you see, saying it's a sheet quality that you don't like,
I don't, yeah, I don't like that. I've been reflective on it. And I think that it's, you want me to stop asking, you know what, I think that I just want guy on. So I even have this thought with the podcast. So my concern is that I'm putting too many of my thoughts out into the world. And I in a form which is quite raw, but I'm not synthesizing them properly. Yeah, so the difference between it's almost like in some regards, I'm just fucking giving you every I'm just giving everyone everything without giving it the proper consideration. Yeah, I also think there is I feel the same, but I feel like it's synthesizing my thoughts as we go. Yeah.
And it's like you saying writing down on a piece of paper. Yeah, helps you get from what's in your head onto the page. Therefore, you start constructing a solid idea or an opinion on something. One of the biggest things you've said he's like, I don't have an opinion on that. It's like, well, you can go there. Yeah, if you choose to have to always pick a side and some of these things that you say that to a big fucking topics, which I'd personally don't want to have an opinion on, either on a public space, but it does help like you talking about this stuff. I reckon over the last 62 episodes, I feel clearer on stances on certain things, or I feel like I know myself a bit better, because I've talked it out with you. I said also earlier, just like, I feel this podcast is and making a podcast for anybody what it actually helps you learn about yourself?
Well, I think like, for instance, yesterday's episode, after finishing that I felt a bit like a like there was a bit not like, do we start to restart again, do we do that again, and like that is part of the that's the insecurity, right? And that's the,
that's the game that we're playing. And it's realizing that other people, it's like, we've spoken about this in a previous episode, when I did a YouTube video that I knew I could have done a better job. And you knew that I could do a better job too. And so you'll fucking mad at me, because you like fucking like, like, you know, what I'm capable of. And it's that internal voices sort of fracking mergers, but no, I think that it's, I do wonder like, what is the what's the end game for the things that we're doing?
I don't think you can know. Yeah, so.
And that's the thing, right? You a, the you way, the analysis paralysis? You don't fucking do anything, because you're overanalyzing. So you paralyzed by it, or you just start making and sort of working it out in the process.
Is there a risk to that? I'm not sure
making it and working it out in the process.
I think that sometimes, like maybe if you're not okay, with failure, there's a massive risk of filing. So for instance, when when is this podcast good enough for us to put it on our LinkedIn and not feel like we're going to get slammed?
I haven't really felt like that I haven't put up
there. I've been dabbling in LinkedIn. I'm happy to put that I should put a video up fact you just reminded me you will. I just feel like there is that little bit meet with me, which is like, I don't know whether, you know, we've got our audience that listens to us and enjoys us. I don't know what how far it translate, you know,
to be honest, I'd be happy for us to get to 100 episodes of this podcast. Yeah, and fucking colon die. Yeah,
seriously, like hundreds of anything. Yeah, you know how much 100 times but 30 minutes it's 3000 minutes of talking where we're coming in 3000 minutes and talking is exceptional. Yeah.
And then it's working out like the next iteration right? yes then it means that it's like you oiled up whatever it is to do the next thing I do wonder it's almost like the dip which is Seth Golden's theory and book which is like you get to a point and so besides that 100 episodes may be that the dip maybe it's when we like not saying any growth like we've had the same amount of audience for the last 50 episodes whatever it is and so we stop however yeah the hundred and 10th episode is when thing fucking go bang yeah and so I think that that's definitely the you know when is the last When is the last Seinfeld at when's the right time to do the last Seinfeld episode. When's the last time I remember loving me Matty's billion dollar like rove live I remember when rove was a thing and just being like when that ended it was a big deal
and that when high mission and he decided to face a radio show like all of these things john Farnham decided to leave for the seventh time at the ice cream like, Yeah, totally.
It's nothing fucking. I want to make more videos. And I feel like this gets in the way of that. But maybe doesn't. I reckon I've created more videos this year than I did last year. Yeah. And I've also done 62 episodes of a podcast. Yeah. So if, if I know the exclusive the this is getting in the way of videos is bullshit. Because I'm more creative in my mind. And, you know, and the skills I'm getting from talking Yeah,
you know, on a podcast is a lot and because it's like, what would you do if you weren't doing this right? The thing is, like this is what this is probably at into right now for me is just lazing time I'll just be lazy around and so
and it's the difficult it is that a thing of like, it's a it's like running because you know, I'm a runner now. So it's three days in three days in three K's a day. It's um, it's the it's the whole thing where it's like when I'm when I'm running it's like it's a little bit painful. It's a little bit annoying but I'm like if I actually it's only 20 minutes of my life and so why do we think about what you would give like if I look at my phone right now and I look at the last 24 hours I can tell you how much time I have spent on different apps right and so if we if we just look at if we purely look at that and then it really should put in perspective some of those other things right like going to my battery here we go battery usage last 24 hours I have spent 1.2 hours on Instagram in the last seven days I've spent 6.9 hours so basically in our way every day on the fact and app I've spent the last seven days are spent over nine hours on my phone I sorry on the phone like calling people so you look at all these things dude
Instagram for me last 24 hours yeah 24 minutes that's good. Always use an hour and a half an hour 1.2 my biggest one was email 27 minutes huge last
24 hours yeah
YouTube 24 minutes phone 1.1 hours I spent on the phone yeah go to your last seven days everyone if
you just go into the battery section of your iPhone it tells you all these details under battery use for our in the last seven days on Instagram fact and I've spent seven hours we're spending double the amount of time and then what is faculty you got a new chip I don't I hardly use my phone for YouTube what's the next thing the next thing for me is phone at nine hours and then it goes down to fucking like
Chrome which is only 1.3 hours one hour on my email 25 minutes on Google Maps you guys faced Facebook it's fucking happy anytime really how much time do you
three in the last seven days yeah mines 54 minutes spending less time on Facebook the newer fact Facebook and go fucking so you get a you get an issue Instagram to see an old phone and our we can ask Lucy
Oh yeah. Good idea.
Because Lucy so full on. That's his 16 year old work experience. Kid. She's so full on that. If I follow on Instagram and she's doing something is she's going she's going to a movie shoe. Do like an Instagram story saying hey guys. Sorry. I won't be able to dm back for the next hour. I I don't think it's it's not full on in their world. It's not full on in the 16 year old world moment. You have to be so fucking contactable. It's connected it's hyper connection. The interesting thing and we can explore this on a you know a feature at but the the thing that seems to be really making the fracking what he say making the rounds at the moment is we can we're so connected but we're lonelier than ever. Why? Anyway, I'll leave you on that everyone. It's a daily talk show a little bit more energy this time than yesterday. Feel free to leave us a review on iTunes for the podcast app or send us an email height the daily talk show.com or even send us some snail mail. p o box 400. Abbotsford Victoria 3067. The jerky is going
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