Talking sport

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 52.

Tommy: 52.

Josh: 52.

Tommy: Is it Tuesday?

Josh: Wednesday, because remember we started on a, uh, then that's 50, 51, 52.

Tommy: Yeah, what's up?

Josh: Hey everyone, just been, uh, Tommy and I have spent a lot of time together today.

Tommy: Yeah, we've been on the shoot and now we're sitting on the couch. It's nice to just relieve the back after a full day of standing.

Josh: Yeah, you consider yourself a pretty healthy dude. Yes. But you're mentioning your back.

Tommy: Well, I just mentioned I feel it. I've been doing a few more stand-ups. Last week I stood up for 3 hours doing a shoot, just like— I could not do this for a job in terms of being like an AV video person that's like event after event.

Josh: Oh, that's hurtful. What we were doing wasn't AV.

Tommy: No, no, no, no, no, no. I was saying last week.

Josh: Oh, of course.

Tommy: Last week I was doing basically that job. Yes, for a friend of mine and shooting, um, a talk for 3 hours. And so you should, you know, you don't have much time to sit down because you're gonna move the camera about, but you just get this sort of dull ache. It's almost— I got it after going to nightclubs because I was— here's the thing, you're pissed and you're, um, and you're up for 6 hours to stand on your feet at a club, but you— the alcohol's taking away the feeling of your back. Anyway, I feel like even when you are doing— like, when I was training the hardest I've ever trained, 5 days a days a week, 6 days a week, heavy weight training, different body parts. I was constantly sore. I do fucking nothing for a year, I'm sore.

Josh: So where do you live?

Tommy: It's like both, both exist.

Josh: Both of them are sore.

Tommy: Both of them are sore. But you just— I reckon I feel worse. The pain in not doing anything for me, and just what, how my body reacts mentally, physically, it's, it's, it's more painful in terms of a bit of pain from doing a few deep squats.

Josh: I think it's all a bit of like, it's the inflammation as well. I reckon inflammation is a big component to a lot of people's pain.

Tommy: Is that inflammation being when you're not actually active?

Josh: Yes.

Tommy: You're eating shit food.

Josh: Yeah. So inflam— like all the like bad food creates inflammation and there was sugar. What was it? There was a, um, a podcast that I was listening to that was talking about, uh, basically fixing or reducing depression at a huge rate through things like diet and exercise because of— and movement, um, by reducing inflammation. And this— I can't even remember where I saw it now. Maybe it was like on a Joe Rogan thing, but it was talking about the— no, I think it was, um, Find My Fitness. Which is the doctor, I can't remember her name now. Rhonda. Rhonda Patrick.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, she's amazing.

Josh: Yeah, and so the, I think that that is the anti-inflammatory diets, I think are really good.

Tommy: Dude, some people have a response when they eat bread and it's the carbohydrates or something within the bread. That releases something that sends inflammation to the brain.

Josh: It's fucked, isn't it? It's even— I was watching, there's that whole campaign at the moment around Alzheimer's. Have you seen that? The orange? And they talk about people with Alzheimer's have their brain weighs like a couple hundred grammes less. It's actually a physical condition. Where your brain is deteriorating. Wow. And so, they were talking about the research to try and fix all of that shit, which I thought was pretty interesting.

Tommy: What is Alzheimer's?

Josh: Alzheimer's is the one where you forget, like— Yeah, yeah, I thought that. I almost made a joke about forgetting what it was. I think it's a pretty classic here. That's probably not appropriate. I watched a doco that Louis Theroux did on Alzheimer's, and there was a lady No, maybe it was a man. There was someone in a home being looked after for Alzheimer's. It was a lady, that's right. And she basically had a husband who would come visit her, but because she wouldn't remember who he was, he also— she had a boyfriend in the facility. So, the husband— I think it might have been the other way around. I think the husband was in the facility and he had a girlfriend, and so the wife would come in and sort of have to work as men are pigs and that a man would only do that. No, no, I think I'm just trying to be factual. But isn't that crazy to think so?

Tommy: They forget that.

Josh: Yeah, so, so she would hang out.

Tommy: I mean, there's a lot of blokes out there forgetting they've got girlfriends on a Saturday night at a club.

Josh: Woof woof. But the, uh, yeah, could you imagine? So she would go to the home and would basically go out on dates and he would be talking about his girlfriend, you know, being really nice.

Tommy: And I mean, you're not a movie guy. We had the discussion today with our Uber driver that, um, you haven't seen The Matrix, and he recommended don't because you might think that you're in The Matrix and you don't want to feel that. My point is, you haven't seen The Notebook, have you?

Josh: No, I have. I've seen—

Tommy: You've seen The Notebook?

Josh: Yeah, I've seen it.

Tommy: It's basically what you're talking about. The woman goes to, uh, the home and the husband comes to see her.

Josh: I can't, I just remember the crying and the letter. There was a letter.

Tommy: Yeah, it's full on.

Josh: I don't remember much shit. I bought fucking My Sister's Keeper, you know that film?

Tommy: No.

Josh: So fucking sad. It's just all about cancer and dying and shit. I bought it on Blu-ray.

Tommy: Why did you buy it on Blu-ray?

Josh: Because it was on fucking discount at JB.

Tommy: Did you like the movie?

Josh: I hadn't seen it yet. I was going through a stage where I'm like, I need to watch more movies. It was the most unminimalist thing I could do.

Tommy: We had to discussion, was it you, in the car? And I was like, how the fuck we thought it was all a good idea to download music, like go like Napster and those things where you physically, like now looking back on that technology is like, I think about, I'm trying to like have less storage space taken up on my computer.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And these streaming services are like a godsend in not having to store physical data on your computer and you just literally stream it. And so my point is, I don't think it was with you, was it?

Josh: No.

Tommy: But it's like that technology moving forward is just like removing half of those things that were once a great idea and now—

Josh: but here's a question for you. How much are you fucking listening to different tracks? I reckon if you went to my Spotify, you could give me the exact same Spotify experience with like less than 1,000 tracks, or like less than probably 20. Like, you could actually Just put You Can Call Me Al. What's that?

Tommy: I don't know that.

Josh: You can call me, you've got an interesting taste. It's my pump-up track. I can call you Betty.

Tommy: I can't put my thumb on it. You like some old tunes and real pop bangers.

Josh: Are you still— so growing up and until probably the age of 10, yeah, I exclusively listened to Gold FM.

Tommy: Old soul.

Josh: Gold FM, brought you back. '60s, '70s, and '80s. Gold 104.

Tommy: It brought you back to walking around the schoolyard with your teachers. They would have had it in their Walkmans.

Josh: We would have been listening to the same stuff, and I would listen to Grubby and Dee Dee for breakfast. And, um, yeah, I called them. I think— have I told that story? I called— no, called them actually. I called a few. Have you— I'll ask you the question first. As a listener, have you called in radio stations and what for, other than doing mates favours and calling up their shows?

Tommy: Nah, but I always was encouraging my mate to call up and make up stories.

Josh: So I did, uh, I remember as a kid telling a joke to Grubby and Dee Dee on the radio. Yeah, it was, uh, this guy was hanging out with his centipede and they needed some ice cream. I can't remember the exact details, so I say ice cream.

Tommy: Just keep going confidently.

Josh: Okay, sorry, we'll do that again. Start it again. Yeah.

Tommy: So, what was— what's the joke, mate?

Josh: So, the— there's a centipede and a guy and they're at the guy's house. The guy says, mate, we've run out of ice cream. Can you go and just get some for me? Just like out in the shops that's close by. And the centipede's like, yeah, sure. So anyway, the centipede goes off and the guy's sitting at home just fucking waiting. He's just hearing these banging out the front door. He's like, what the fuck is going on? He lets it happen for a bit and then he goes out and it's the centipede. He goes, mate, what are you doing? The centipede says, I'm putting my shoes on. I get it. It took you a bit, didn't it?

Tommy: Yeah, because he's got a lot of feet. Yeah, I mean, the thing is, centipedes don't wear shoes, but I get it. It. He hangs out with some guy. Was the other guy a centipede?

Josh: I don't know.

Tommy: He's just a normal human being.

Josh: We need to actually— I won't look it up and get distracted. No, it's a good joke. But we could look at— we could look up the centipede shoe joke and actually see what the real— because I used to be big on like going to jokes.com. Oh, maybe there was like a frog, like there was get frog joke. There was some website that I'd go to, it was just like jokes. I'll just click next, next, next.

Tommy: And do you ever win anything? Like call up to Gold FM.

Josh: I won free tyres for my dad because I, um, I was at the hot rod. Yeah, no, it wasn't even the horror that you were talking about yesterday. It might have been the SS. The, um, no, they— we were at the car— the car— the motor show, and, um, Gold FM was there. And I remember just— I was blown away because they had like an outside broadcast. Yeah, like a booth. But no one, no one was in there. And there was like people talking. I'm like, what the fuck's going on? Like, where, where's that coming?

Tommy: Are they in the studio?

Josh: What's like— what? The guy's like, oh no, this is all, um, this is a pre-recorded show. I'm like, oh. He's like, oh, would you like to enter a competition to win some ties? I'm like, uh. He's like, not many people have entered, so you probably got a good chance. I was like, okay. And then there was that one storey when my, um, cousin worked at Double T FM, and I got the, um Yvonne Goolagong Cawley and Tony Roach was the other guy, and they trained me.

Tommy: You got tennis lessons from some old-school Australian tennis superstars. How about that fucking Australian cricket shit?

Josh: This, it's the most outrageous thing.

Tommy: But can I read Craig's?

Josh: Yeah, while you bring it up.

Tommy: So, just tell if you've been living under a rock.

Josh: Yeah, if you're not in Australia, basically I mean, I don't give a fuck about this. Is it— I don't know if it's un-Australian, but I don't give a fuck. I think this whole thing of what's Australian and un-Australian is just for sheeple to fucking put you in a box. But anyway, the people are mad because the Australian cricket team were tampering with one of their balls.

Tommy: I never thought about that.

Josh: That's what they do, they're tampering, they're tampering with balls. And they're like, they were adding sticky residue or whatever to a ball by using like sticky tape or like electrical tape.

Tommy: And I think the captain, for whatever reason, decided to say that he didn't know about it. But some—

Josh: Oh, really?

Tommy: I thought— Yeah. And then they thought that he did, he didn't know about it. So, he lied that he didn't know about it. And so, there's this big controversy.

Josh: If Rob Ward's listening to us, congratulations, Rob, by the way, pan. His wife just had a baby today.

Tommy: Oh, mate.

Josh: He's not listening to the podcast. Baby Quad Lock? Yeah, baby Quad Lock.

Tommy: Baby Quad Lock?

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: Quad Lock for the bassinet?

Josh: Yeah, that would work out really well. Just on the side? But they, um, Pan, his wife works at Cricket Australia. So he's probably eye rolling about all of this shit we're saying, because he's like, mate, you have no idea about cricket, which—

Tommy: Well, they cheated. That's basically the gist of it. And it's literally blown up and gone mad. And my friend, Craig Harper, a very introspective, very intelligent, emotionally intelligent human being. Well written. Written 6 books.

Josh: Can you say that? Well written?

Tommy: He's well written.

Josh: Yeah, but is that a phrase that you use? You say well read. Well read.

Tommy: Well written. No, it's probably not. It's probably well read. He's well read and he can write well, right? Anyway, Craig wrote a status today on his Facebook page. It's got 154 comments, 182 shares. That's good when it's got more shares than comments.

Josh: This is big.

Tommy: Um, 624 likes. And I mean, he's delving into this world of sport because he's talking about the cricket, but I like his angle on it because it's probably one that people wouldn't be thinking.

Josh: Because people are being so reactive about— people are getting real fucking nasty and high-horsey about the whole thing. I personally think Like, who gives a fuck? Yeah, I don't understand it.

Tommy: Or every media outlet are just jumping on and beating the shit out of the Australian cricket team. Anyway, here we go. Cricket hatred, mental health compassion. In an age when we are seemingly— BMAC told me to read slower, by the way, a bit of feedback. Okay, in an age—

Josh: we'll speak slower for you, BMAC.

Tommy: In an age when we are seemingly so concerned about depression, mental health issues, and supporting people who are struggling emotionally. It's ironic that so many people are happy to unload a world of hate and hurt on young men who did something stupid in a game of cricket. Did they do the wrong thing? 100%. Did they intentionally try to cheat? Sure did. Can they undo it? Nope. Should they be punished? Definitely. Are they terrible human beings whose lives should be destroyed? No. It makes me sad to see the overwhelming hatred, judgment, and anger being directed at a bunch of human beings who did a dumb thing. And what makes me even sadder is that treating them like they've committed some kind of unforgivable, unforgivable, unforgivable heinous crime against humanity seems to be acceptable, if not expected. In quotation marks, 'Their lives are not worth living,' said a well-known ex-cricketer. Wow, I really hope they don't believe him. Can you imagine if, perish the thought, one of these young men, who might be mentally and emotionally fragile about now— not an unreasonable expectation based on the hatred being directed at them— was to harm himself or worse because he decided his life was not worth living. Let's hope we never have to have that conversation. And that's the point, like, it's fucking game, dude. It's not war against North Korea. Yeah, it's not some decision that's brought, you know, lives to an end on the other side.

Josh: Well, I think that Australians, you know, we, we love our cricket, but what we love more is fucking bringing people down. You know, like, this is a perfect example of like— and they'll— people will forget probably. I mean, I don't know, but it's just for whatever reason, it's this, uh, it's this desire to keyboard warrior. What's that? What's the first comment, I wonder? Oh yeah, what's the most liked comment? Let's get— this will give us a sense of his community probably more than public perception.

Tommy: I would say they're compassionate.

Josh: I mean, you'd be a bit of an asshole to say, nah, you're all dogs.

Tommy: It's not like, um, top comments in fucking— in, um, it's because it's a personal page, it's not a business page. Okay, well spoken, and thank you, 100% agree. Another person, Craig, well put. James Heard, prime example of that human being.

Josh: What happened to James Heard?

Tommy: Like, as in what's on his wife, didn't he? Drug scandal.

Josh: Well, you can't just be saying these things.

Tommy: No, I'm pretty sure he was sleeping—

Josh: I think he was sleeping around, and I also No, James Herb was the drug.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, and a part of that, um, the EPA. EPA?

Josh: Not the Environmental Protection Authority.

Tommy: A drug as well. Okay, it's like the cyclists use it. EPA? Maybe it isn't that. It's some sort of three, three-letter.

Josh: Jesus Christ, we are so out of our depth.

Tommy: Anyway, he, he was a, he was a part of, um, administering drugs to his team in, in meaning like having a drug programme that were peptides. These aren't like steroids that bodybuilders use. These are like performance-enhancing, like, different supplements. It's crazy.

Josh: Yeah, but then because he— then he did try and kill himself, I think, didn't he?

Tommy: Oh, there was something to do with painkillers. And I mean, that's where these— I think when Craig's in saying that there's these media you know, saying there's people saying these things. It's on media, it's, it's in, it's on the news, it's in the paper, it's real headlines, it's real people with like that are going to be impacted.

Josh: Uh, one thing, uh, James Heard has a, has a chocolate brand. Did you know him?

Tommy: Does he? Yeah, I, um, I just, just one comment: a paedophile gets less punishment All right, sweetheart, it's fucking too much. I feel like— I mean, who's— there's no—

Josh: I mean, they're both— everyone's fiddling with balls in these cars.

Tommy: All right, mate.

Josh: Um, first paedophile and last paedophile joke we'll ever do on the show. And to be clear, it was more of a ball joke than it was a paedophile joke. Yeah, no, but James Heard does have a, um, has a chocolate brand James Hird has spoken about the sweeter things in life, with chocolate being the new arena in which he plans to kick goals.

Tommy: Oh yeah, dude, it's hard for sportsmen, sportswomen, after their career, if they've been doing it for most of their professional life, adult life, coming out of that. I mean, there's like such an intense— I can't speak for it, but I see You know, you see these AFL players getting hooked on drugs and just fucking spiralling out.

Josh: I mean, you've got friends who have done the whole sport thing. What do they talk about? What's the, uh, what's the biggest challenge of an ex-sports person? What do they face?

Tommy: Well, I think it's a bit different now. I know that the AFL, Australian Football League, has— for our international listeners, um, they, they actually support them Throughout the early stages of their career.

Josh: I'm trying to say, I've been thinking about that pedophile. I wish I didn't make the paedophile joke. It's fine, it's fine.

Tommy: Anyway, um, I— yeah, so they're actually helping them start business courses, um, understand where their investments should go, helping them manage money. Because you're giving these young blokes in the AFL— yeah, the AFL was talking about that specifically— some of them are earning $500 grand Yeah, it's like 20-year-olds. And then like Buddy Franklin getting a, you know, $10 million contract. This is a dude who's unstable, who's had mental issues and had to take time off. They're giving him a million bucks a year for 10 years. I mean, there's a risk there that they will make the wrong choice. And I remember him, I remember seeing him at parties, Buddy Franklin. This is, uh, you know, a handsome looking dude with a lot of cash. And had a, you know, a bit of an interest in, you know, taking drugs. Yeah, I remember seeing him off his face once near a nightclub back in the day, and he was known for partying. He's on the other side of that now, I'm pretty sure.

Josh: I mean, how can you be a— I mean, I think it's hard being a professional athlete and doing that. Been saying that, like, uh, Matt— Matthew Phelps, Michael Phelps. Michael Phelps, he's a motherfucking numpty. He gets on the bong, all that sort of thing. Oh yeah, he also— he's my spirit animal because he has like 10,000 calories a day. If Phelps, he can do it, surely I can. Yeah, but fuck, look at how many, uh, swimmers have, um, in Thorpe, like, gone through mental drug fucking, um going super overweight. Like, I remember being a kid and seeing swimmers get super overweight and it made me feel good. I was like, I was like, fuck, if this can happen to these sportsmen.

Tommy: Uh, Jeff Hugel.

Josh: Yeah, he got massive.

Tommy: He got busted coming out of a cubicle with a bag of coke in his pocket.

Josh: It's not—

Tommy: Do you know about that?

Josh: Yeah, I think I do remember that's happened. And even the, um, the This is becoming a sports gossip show, but there was also that other one that hit his wife. Anyway, let's change the topic.

Tommy: Ben Cousins, I was thinking about him yesterday.

Josh: Okay, well, it's more of a pivot. It's still the same topic, but go on.

Tommy: No, no, no, but I just, I didn't want to get off the topic. I'm quite enjoying it. Ben Cousins, remember him?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Such is life tattooed on his stomach. He lost his marbles. I think, I mean, he joined his wife.

Josh: Did you say you saw him the other day?

Tommy: No, I never, no, no, I was thinking about him. He ended up doing some jail time, maybe a couple of weeks or something, getting caught. Famously, he got— he was going towards a booze bus and he'd been obviously on the pipe and on the booze, jumped out of the car, swam across a fucking river to get away from them. Fuck, these guys have such highs in their career, you know, and they're so disciplined. Swimmers are up fucking 4 AM, 5 AM swimming miles. It's crazy, right?

Josh: Extremes. And the, and the thing is that A lot of people do these extreme things to be able to keep themselves calm. And, you know, like, some people run themselves into the— to the ground. It's like Bree goes to the gym 5 days a week. Didn't— didn't go one day and she was an asshole all day. And I was like, it's the last time you can't go to the— you've got to— you've got to fucking go to the gym every morning because you become a massive rager otherwise.

Tommy: Yeah, it's I think most people will be better off going to the gym. That's not even about weight or anything, headspace.

Josh: Yeah, just doing it lets off steam. And I think it just also, for Bree specifically, she's such a gun at it and she's such a, um, she has such high standards for herself too that I think that the difference between going and not going— not going for me is not a big deal, just be like, oh, just don't go, it's fine. Whereas I think that she holds herself so highly that not going becomes a big deal and it really fucks the rest of her day. She's got an award for like the most gym sessions, like she's attended like the most classes, over 600 classes at her gym, which is pretty insane.

Tommy: She's the one that's getting good use of the membership.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Putting it, I mean, if you go to the gym 7 days a week at Fitness First, it's like a dollar something a session.

Josh: It's definitely not that cheap at her one. I think she pays like $80 a week or something. Yeah, but it's— they're good. They're a good, uh, good gym.

Tommy: I reckon that's it.

Josh: Yeah, nice quick one. Did you ever, um, just quickly, ever get into sport as a kid?

Tommy: Yeah, I used to play fucking footy, all the sports.

Josh: Really? So you were like— because you're not much of a sporty guy now.

Tommy: Have you seen me, how nimble I am?

Josh: No, but I don't see— like, you're not— you don't have that.

Tommy: You're more about the Jacket family.

Josh: Come on, is—

Tommy: you want to be the Jacket boy?

Josh: He's a Jacket fan.

Tommy: No, so my middle brother Michael, he's known— oh, don't fucking— don't get Jacko involved because he'll win. Like any, like, you know, throwing a ball at something at a target or you know, pool or fucking— he's just like, we pick up things very quickly. And so we did, we did all the sports. I was like surfing, rollerblading, downhill mountain biking, rollerblading, skateboarding. No, like trick rollerblades at the, at the, at the, um, what do you call it, the bowl? Okay, we used to call it the bowl, like the skate park.

Josh: And so you would be pretty good. So what would be tennis? Okay, and you're good at all of them?

Tommy: I was, yeah, I'm not bad at all of them.

Josh: Basketball?

Tommy: No, I played basketball.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: But like school stuff. But there's a difference between someone who's like a good all-rounder and then someone who's like a freak. I remember those freaks at school.

Josh: And you were never a freak of anything?

Tommy: Never a freak.

Josh: I was only ever good at, uh, like, um, shot put and discus just because I could put my weight behind it. Literally, it's a fat kid sport.

Tommy: Yeah, or if you can get the momentum from the spinning.

Josh: Yeah. It had a bit of that vibe. All right everyone, it's the Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: Josh just really wanted to know about my sporting career.

Josh: Exactly, it is a real fucking short one, 25 minutes. BMAC is not going to be happy.

Tommy: Yeah, he asked for longer.

Josh: Yeah, a bit, bit needy.

Tommy: Now it's been a big day. Yeah, we've had a few, I think, good eps the last couple of days. I've been happy with them.

Josh: Yeah, fucking oath. But you know what, spend the next 5 minutes review— if you have not left a review on iTunes or through the podcast app please spend a little bit of time if you like, because I was looking at my Josh Speaking podcast, uh, that had like 40, like a lot of reviews.

Tommy: Did you hustle for that?

Josh: Yes, yes, I asked everyone on Facebook, and so I was linking to it all the time saying, hey everyone, leave a review. But I just feel like I've accumulated enough hate followers on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and stuff that I'll get people rubbishing it. Whereas if you've listened this far, you either— you need to like us, I think.

Tommy: Yeah, so I think back in the day, 5 years ago, people was a lot more willing to do shit. And yeah, people were willing to just—

Josh: where everyone's got a fucking podcast now. I heard someone say that, hey, will you listen to my podcast, is the modern day version of, hey, will you come and watch my brother's band? You know, like everyone's got a fucking brother in a band.

Tommy: I'm definitely not going to watch your brother in a band, so I probably won't listen to your podcast.

Josh: But it is It's, yeah, just type in The Daily Talk Show into iTunes or the podcast app, it will come up there and scroll down to the bottom and there's a write a review button. The funny thing is that whatever you set your username up, it's the first time, it sticks and people were never really that sort of, so that sort of careful. And I think it was also, I don't know, 'cause you would leave reviews on apps and shit like that, so people, might be mean, so they might not put their real name. Bree left a review and she's like, Timmy09.

Tommy: Thanks, Timmy.

Josh: Yeah, appreciate the support, Timmy. It's funny. And yeah, leave us a review. That would be lovely.

Tommy: hi@thedailytalkshow.com is our email address.

Josh: Please send us an email. If you hate this episode, if you hate any of them, go fuck yourself. But if you've got positive things, reviews and emails appreciated. Tommy, uh, I guess, uh, we're working together again tomorrow. It's gonna be a big one. So hopefully, uh, maybe should we smidge this in? I don't know when. We can work out.

Tommy: We'll work it out. We'll see you tomorrow.

Josh: Bye, guys. Oh, we've got fucking Easter, Easter coming up too. Yeah, so we'll do a Good Friday.

Tommy: Yeah, live from Hillsong.

Josh: Be a bit of fun. It's The Daily Talk Show, everyone. Have a good one.