- March 22, 2018
The Daily Talk Show — Thursday March 22 (Ep 48) – Josh Janssen & Tommy Jackett. –
Open relationships, Tommy’s wired and Josh going out with a bang
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Daily talk show everyone it's Thursday 48 yeah boy Episode 48 We're so close to 50 we still haven't not a dad exactly what we're doing it could be a spontaneous Episode 50 celebration yeah
yeah so where are we at? 40 I know where we have with 50 oh yeah that's what I'm saying we got
oh yeah yeah we might be taking the show on to her to shepherd it okay so next steps to make that happen this guy's your free man day Am I free Monday? Yeah. Do you want to stay the night there? Can we is the nightclub an option still on? Yeah the bars open so we're thinking about maybe doing it from a bar and ship it is there a difference between a nightclub and bar it turns into a nightclub it is a bar they serve food and then it gets real funky light at night.
All right. Look how long does it take how far away is Shepherd in from Melbourne. We could leave right now and get there in an hour and for
an hour and 45 minutes and 45 seconds that's piece of piece okay
Monday Monday is looking really good it's very it's actually nothing in there I could actually work from there I like working remotely yeah that would be fun we can I mean that's the best thing fuck you work from anywhere that says if you've got your laptop and you had Dr W if I work from anywhere man that took you
should have literally it was like we were into when we interviewed person yesterday and they had to change their stopped mentioning their job as an acronym and say the fourth thing it's
ready times sheets simple shift throws is I'm tired and you're in better than saying goodbye my title simple shift throws me simple shit throws me Josh is now on his computer looking to see if the domains for either by potentially and I am
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I doing I'm literally just clicking on to Adobe Audition so I can make sure that way but I had a stroke I literally if you're saying I understand why Tommy said it because I went down to the dock on the Mac and then just sort of just doing I go for you forgetful I do forget you know
I've always prided myself on being the opposite of Friday prided myself I've prided myself on being the opposite of forgetful but I just realized that I didn't have a great deal going on in my life yeah because once you start having multiple like hundreds of tasks many tasks across a week yeah that you're responsible for you do and then the workload pressures and stresses from you know big projects or you know family stuff it's a you actually do start forgetting sheet so you just it's like passwords at one point I kept all my passwords in my head yeah fact that we now
use a new segment cuz where you said fact that
it's almost like he's losing his life on earth I do for Q Fridays we can way to back that
all right do you know that's one of the don't leave your passwords in here tonight tell you a bit of a fact that
yeah it's a Thursday fact that yeah my my Pelican case the foam that comes with it a pelican cases a hard box basically to keep the camera gear yeah it's the one like that it gets used in other industries to I think pro fisherman might use it to put their little tack on chip like little mini mini mini ones or ones with iPhones Pelican case Yeah, Pelican case or muses and shipped to it. Yeah you would have seen them that they can have rollers and stuff on them but the phone picked shit that comes with it so it's like imagine like foam and have sort of half serrated the whole thing so that you can pull out little square by square yes to get your camera shape that yeah oh yeah whatever whatever shape you're trying to put it like so if you're putting a camera or if you're putting a fucking gun you can like dead exact whatever probably wouldn't be grateful it would all sleep but the fact that bloody the farm that comes with it is a pain in the ass so what I want to do today is go to clock robber or something like that and get take my Pelican case take my camera and I'm actually going to get phone and get the exact shape and going to get a lens in that I think that qualifies for a fact that are gonna be racist the fact that before it goes in okay because
it's like it's a statement it's a Josh
don't don't leave your passwords in your head
really needs to be tradable oh
yeah thinking about going on the Monash freeway this morning at 7am fact that back that up with yeah
okay so just I get it I like it though I think we can definitely bringing some dumb but let's have a dumb purchases segment I've been now we're talking too much about purchasing she Eric in the last three episodes you've mentioned oz bag and and buying stuff ever really yeah you have maybe it's a bit of pushback on minimalism
we spent a week with me I want to buy everything where the Maximus the show dedicated to you all the bargains in the area ship that you made me like maximum ideas within one show this is one thought How about this just on the minimalism on that thing on by things are raised I'm thinking about it is I think because I'm becoming way more aware of the things that I'm buying so what I'm looking at now is my fucking voice phone that I bought like the you know like the big the big fucking phone right here it's like so unnecessary I so Didn't they would have been a much better solution it's gotten to the point with the it's like one of the It looks like a landline in an office like one of those sort of Cisco style phones but it's been driving me insane because look at the kite code you know like the coiled chords on the phones how they get all fact and they just start getting all spaghetti line he had a portable like back in the day I will see I for whatever reason this isn't that the fact that Okay, I'll tell you why this is the most fucked up reason you ever hear. You're gonna think I'm a fuck wit.
They had two options. There was a 29 and a 49 a month deal if you want to call it that. The difference was the $49 has a colored screen a biggest screen and I was like oh that'd be cool to have like the full stack films logo you'll notice that as a tip g logo because it turns out that you can customize the logo on the bag back that fact that so that
was a dumb I had this really great podcast, Tim Ferriss and Aubrey Marcus Who is he already Marcus's he started supplements company called on us. Oh yeah Joe Rogan Joe Rogan's all on it is it business partner I think he's like the marketing department for it meaning he's just as well you don't need a marketing director and it's just like okay we just have Joe on issue is turned into like a 4050 person operation gyms that I've created products they out of Austin or something yeah yeah yeah and he's he's an interesting dude so fascinating he's in a open relationship This is fully got a girlfriend but they slate with other people and it sounds that sounds sleazy raw but when you hear him talk about it and her talk about it not that I want to be within an open relationship but the the amount that it challenges their ego and the fracking internal sheet I can see you're skeptical about it
not skeptical but I just think like the yeah
it's got an opinion What's your opinion I think it's is you having a stroke then or no
I was just trying to gauge your interest in this whole open relationship thing okay it sounds weird when I say it like that
but you listen to the what what goes through like the stages of when he's partner went off and slept with somebody and how that made him feel and how it challenges monogamous relationships like stripe like how we think it is does he think is it different than swingers and shit like that yeah totally different so they they are a committed relationship but have the different approach and so this it's it's it's really challenging like he's talking about how he was like vomiting and fucking crying the first time it happened and like the challenge against him I it sounds silly when I say it because I'm not even there like I don't want anything to do with an open relationship just to be clear just sounds very complicated like it's just just imagine the drama you just have to watch like married at first sight yeah but these people like ovary is a fucking divas intelligence him and compared to when he's more Tim Ferriss into over. Is it like polygamy and shit like that? I get the vibe that he's always talking about. It sounds like the relationships that he's had. Yeah, well, it's been super interesting. Like, I see there's some lie. That sounds fucking Yeah, right. You're an idiot. That's just Yeah, but I did think that too. And to you. Listen. And here. I think the best thing about podcasts and listening to these long phone conversations is you legitimately giving chance to another view on this world and an approach to life. So
if you were to so you're identifying that's not for you. Yeah.
Who is the open relationship for Do you think someone who's very fucking open minded and willing to face a lot of pain and that is one benefit. I don't know. So for here, he talks about this sort of, you know, he's, he was he was married, I think at one point or like, engaged and then the relationship fell apart and you hear this guy's into psychedelics and fucking
super spiritual and he's, he's a real he seems really emotionally intelligent and in touch with like, he cries a lot. And he, you know, does it really super fascinating. But for him, it's like this exploration of challenging what everyone thinks. What are you smiling? laughing because what I'm seeing is because you owe you mentioned the word cock and I feel like the definition of a car nobody's having sex with other women to Okay, initiation of khakis, a man who lets their what who a man whose wife facts other men in front of him, but he doesn't do that. Okay. Sure. And so the thing is, like, look at how you're reacting to Yes. Right. Yeah. And I think that's the essence of what I like is like seeing this challenge of what we grow up thinking and I and again, it's not for me, because I couldn't face it I would it would take me two paces.
So I think that the I reckon there's a
I don't know where I stand on the things like you know, where it's like if you have you know,
I don't know whether this is conservative propaganda, this idea, but it was a have the idea of having an open such an open mind that your brain falls out interest. I haven't heard that right. So I like the idea like I do, like listening to other opinions and thoughts that there feels like there's also these moments where that can sometimes happen, right? Or it's, it's so it's such a personal like, I respect to anyone who is going outside of the norm that the challenging the status quo,
but at this I don't know, there's, there's also
there's a lot of work in that right, like, so, what I find interesting is, it's like you know, you see like subcultures like Goths or emos or you see them in like, the adult world like eat not the adult as in like, porn world, but as in like, just as adults. Yeah, walking in. Yes, Linda, I just like I do, I do find some sub coaches funny. Like, I just think that like it's and because obviously the it's really easy to attack anyone who's a nice I or or that disagrees it's like, you've got such a fucking closed mind you just a skeptic. You're a little fucking brains idiot. That's just like closed off and we're living this open free life and but I think that there's probably a middle ground to
Yeah, I think you have you haven't heard this guy talk about it. And I kind of
Tiki light how he communicates it. So you listen, I didn't you guys completely understand. But I reckon he's probably a really intelligent dude.
And that they're found a thing that's not only completely consensual bit, something that they both want. And I'm, I don't even believe in this sort of common group think, which would be like, our, I know that the chick says that she's okay with it. But she's probably not just going along with it. Like, I don't believe in that like, but
I also I don't know, there's just something about the,
you know, I don't know if you've watched like Louis Thursday and tacos on this, like this, I feel like I've consumed a little bit of content around this sort of stuff.
I think the angles of the Luther our, like, completely people out of touch were like, I've watched all of that stuff, all the ones that you know, we'd weekends and and you seeing these like and the it's it's skewed in a way that's sort of like these entertainment factor value from these quirky people
where I think this guy gives it a different view sure a more insightful like he's not on a documentary but I think that also the consideration isn't it interesting how the reason that you probably have more respect for him is because he's taken some cultural expectations in the sense of he's got money he's got a business he's got all of these things which we associate with you know, a good citizen or someone who's worth fucking listening to
where if you completely just remove his status maybe it's true maybe your opinion wouldn't be the same way so I think that what's what's happened and this is like maybe why I smaller I sort of can be slightly skeptical about things is it's like yeah there's there's lots of rich weed cans out there right right and this and it's the same way that people think that just because Steve job may have been an asshole to to his employees or to certain people that somehow then being an asshole or will will allow them to be a better if I can see oh well, stuff like that and I just think it's a similar thing where it's like this is one part of this guy's life but um it's interesting how its framed right just like think about how you attached and associated with it and if you just change to story 20% What about if it wasn't a gym
and it was a sex toy company right yeah but he owned he had a marketing company for years and they marketed the flesh lot are real fight vagina that you play with. Yeah, and that was his marketing having those like gave him a big break but it's interesting you I totally agree with you around the with what who's saying it and how much that helps you swipe but he's not actually encouraging it he actually just said was for me and it's like, good luck for you doing it. Because there's so many challenges, it's weed and he I think he's like, into challenging the mind through like, you know, being am you know, doing psychedelics and meditation long for meditation, all these crazy practices that just totally blows your head off I just
think about the practicalities of it. Yeah. So just imagine like, I think that to be able to, you know, like we've spoken about like emotional sustenance and things like that and it's like okay well if he's if
I feel like I don't have the ability to be like I wouldn't have the fucking time to do something like that right
emotional time like it would gain it would dry new but he said that this sort of Dallas but so what happened with when you challenge like that so you saying I don't have the time it's like I actually don't have I don't know if I could get through that because it would ruin me and make me feel like it's like I remember being in relationships early days and just so drying because we're fighting it's like do you come out the other side stronger? Yeah does it strengthen you not in terms of that relationship because I'm not with her anymore but do you would it make you strong and I'm gay
friction thing right? It is literally like what we've spoken a bit about which is
the little bit of pain that you get is that actually developing you as a person so for me, it's like I think it's like bringing my friction points like she's super tidy I want to be super tidy but I just like have habits were that don't necessarily lend themselves and I've like I'm noticing that that friction over the last 10 years has allowed me to change 10% maybe every year to the point where it's like I would do things that I never would have done before like a Brie was out a couple of nights ago and I was like oh you know what i'm just going to spend the night cleaning the house Katie and it's just it but it says net like I think and I'm like oh this is good like I actually enjoyed it it was therapeutic and like and I feel like I break through all that friction has actually packing warn me
now I just fucking a bit I feel better about it right and so I think that my mic nice on talks about this all the time about how he thinks in relationships now in like you know 2018 people are too quick to fucking and things they like it's too hard not I just there's so much choice out there like this desire for perfect so people are just fucking like moving from you know relationship to relationship with this idea that they can't be any friction yeah
yeah totally it takes a lot of effort any relationship so and you and I think there's definitely been friction points for me and I differences in who we are what we value and then I definitely have become what it because she values that yeah putting the site down
Adina fact and candle one
spectral Aubrey he also talked about anger which resonated with me yeah
I don't think he that much of an angry dude even Bray said you're a softy last night which I told you which I don't know if you say that as a compliment or not. She also called me a CAC
CAC. Man. Yeah, she thought it was that
just like a bit of a cool dude. Yeah,
you got that one.
But I already talked about angry anger. And he's in he was talking about how much angry had in him as a kid. And she going on with his family. And like something really resonated me with in May was what he when he said, there's something about getting angry that he's satisfying. It's the Yeah, you feel it coming on. And you go towards it. And, you know, yeah, it's
almost this thing of like, it's the same feeling that you get when it's the domain, I'm sure, right. It's the same effect of like, there's a block of chocolate entities in that moment, where you open it and you make the decision. I'm going to eat the whole fucking thing. Yeah,
I mean, what I thought about it was from when I was young, like having defensive. Yeah, well, being blamed for something. Yeah, well, being attacked, and then I, you know, I'm primary school teachers and, and, and just having that having that anger come up. And it felt almost good upon reflecting on it. It's like, it was disturbing, but I felt kind of like you when bringing that anger into it's like, defense mechanism, right? Yeah, like,
I think and I noticed that even, you know, in situations where I'm unhappy with something, you can go down two paths, you can drop the wall and you can say, Actually, I'm going to let this sit with me and and try and understand it, or I am going to, you know, fucking meet them with whatever emotion that is anger. And it will probably provide some short term reflection deflection but it probably doesn't lead to like long term happiness. It's like Lewis house who has a podcast gone blank on that what CS podcast called the business he won some school of greatness
Yeah. School of Hades Lewis house quarterback yeah exactly as a quarterback didn't make it you know a guy who sells motivation you actually locking Yeah, he's a dude I contacted easy guy, really? When I was in shepherd. And this is before we kind of blew up on The Ellen shot. I messaged him, and I said, I been listening to staff have quit my job. Who did you do that search? God it was basically I shouldn't find it. Yeah. So
it's nice to do that. Now. Place. Yeah. So all while you do that Lewis house has a book which is like the thing it's like the the seven masks of masculinity or something like that. I tried to go to the bookshop the other day, but they didn't, in fact, can have it
on a fan fan. Yes.
All right. Before you do that, let me just
the, the, the masks of masculinity.
I'm just saying if there's a bliss not just typing the masks of masculinity. I was hoping that there will just be a list that I could because he's basically gone through an identified these things that we do. Okay, here we go. Lewis house. He's made it okay.
That's It's funny how Google does this. Now. They actually pulled it in for me. Look, yeah, I just read that. The stoic mask the athlete masks the material mask the sexual mask. The aggression mask the Joker mask the invincible mask. The know it all mask? I feel like I'm a joker mask and know what I think I'm like, always making fun of every situation. Yeah, but also being like, Yeah, I know what, like,
what do you do if I here?
What am I? I think you're the aggression mask. And the invincible man. You just said I wasn't great. You said I wasn't angry. No. But I think it like it's it's a it's a tool which you actually use. Yeah, I don't think it's you. But I think it's a mask that you wear when you have to. To
to you know, and I think the invincible one Do you know where the invincible one comes in? May I'm just wired this way back in like a wide this like that. To me. I've always I've never heard anyone else I really one of those things that you've always said which is Matt just fucking uses joke. So what do you think about it? Because I have never asked who everywhere but I see not know. Well, I think that I've always seen it as it's like I've always identified it as
it's a thought that you have that has no fact
because this idea of wiring is a a story which we're telling ourselves I could say man I'm fine can just wide to be creative from wide to fucking don't like to walk right? That's really line which is I'm like, why to fucking like I'm a fucking wide to be a people person. And these are fucking stories that which which is really fucking helpful when you're at a crossroads. So
you don't think that I am wide to look at a positive in situations in any situation. So it's my go to. So the wiring is something happens. I immediately jumped to the positive of it. What can I look at here? Is that not wiring? Is that learned behavior? But yeah,
I think that that is a habit which you have created, which is a mindset thing. And using this language of I'm wired to do this is a great way to
to keep yourself on track. It's like the the Muse right
amuse, I don't know, like I remember a TED talk about I can't remember who it was. It did. It wasn't brand a brand it was it was a big Ted TED talk without talking about music and it's like this you know, a creative Muse what they talked about in I think back in the old days in grace amused wasn't something that you had, it was something that visited visited you. And the point being that you detach it from your ego, you detach from yourself, so you can't, you're not if you have a fucking creative block. It's not, I can't do it. I'm not working. Yeah, it's like, the Muse hasn't visited me, I haven't been visited by the muse. And so you detach it. And so then what it means is, when you have great fucking creative flow, you're thankful and grateful of the Muse coming to and you're not attaching yourself to it. But Likewise, when you're fucking stuck. It's not all on you to its music. We've got to get into this Lewis house back an email. I'm very keen to hear what you said. Well, give us a diet.
The second of the 12th coming to the end of the year. 2014 great feeling like a seeker Bay in this place. This is also Yeah, it was the I haven't read it. Can you read it? Yes. Do you
ever write back? Yeah, he
wrote back. Okay, great. Yeah,
this is early days. Like I would have Lewis house would have only been on my radar in the last two years. Yeah. And then
we got 1.3 million followers now Oreck and he had 120 when I messaged him. Yeah,
he said, had some great people on his podcast. Hey, dude, this is from Tommy at 3:07pm. So he's just blood sugar's low. feeling a bit down. I do just want to send some appreciation all the way from Victoria. Australia couldn't say Melbourne because it was living in Chapman. Okay, I work in a breakfast radio show few hours outside of Melbourne, where I grew up, I've been smashing your podcasts on my weekend drives back to work, and really enjoying them. What's resonated with me lately has been your approach to living alive on your own terms. Having the power to make shit happen and change it if you want where you want to be saying that I handed in my resignation this week, and already I've had some great opportunities come up for bigger and better work. Keep killing it. Dude, cheese, Tommy.
And Lewis says, Thanks so much, Tommy. I appreciate you for listening. My man
sounds like healed, right? That fans that he says my man all the time. Yeah, 100%.
Right. That actually don't listen to spot guys. Any water here. He took me an hour and 20 minutes to respond. Pretty cool. It's great.
It's so funny. I don't even remember that. Like, hearing those words. Doesn't feel like May I wonder why isn't it interesting? Because I feel the exact same way. Which is why like when you're hot, you know, state of heightened sort of emotion. Yeah, don't fucking post on social media, right? Because I think that we were not necessarily we on this. I think we'd like to think of ourselves as the cycle one sort of dimensional person that's like, really easily sort of produced on social media. But I think we have ups and downs and shit like that. What do you think you're trying to get out of that?
Nothing. I think you'd listen to people and Well, I do definitely. And I feel like this I think it's the it's showing you right there. What a podcast can do for somebody young forum Podcast, where someone sharing information that's helping change someone's view on something or, you know, encouraging them to take that step. It's like, you hear enough and it's not with everyone. But I think you come across people on your path that resonates at the right point in time, that just spur you to make that change. And for me, I was like, in this mindset of like, unhappy living in Shepperton working on the radio and I just knew they were you know, I'm he was living in Sydney and so I just I needed some a massive change and the podcast you know, that all of his helped me
just, you know, like, it's almost like serendipity. But you almost drawn to the thing that is going to help you make that change that you know, you're going to do want and so he's words are just literally my mind articulated in spoken word. Yeah. And that's exactly what it was. And I think that's why I was like, Fuck, man. This do. It's killing it. What was the, what was your resignation like shepherding. Describe? What was the how long we thinking about what was the Did you write the letter? How did the old guard down? Who did you handed into?
Um, I I handed it into the boss. But I told my co host before Stacy. Yeah, so mad here. And she didn't want a beta. Yeah. And, you know, we both didn't want to be there.
And so I don't have enough I just went in told it.
Rosa impulsive, which was it obviously, you had in mind, but was the actual day of doing it. Like, now, this is the day or was it like three weeks earlier? You're like, I'm gonna quit on this day. Because it's the end of this
year. I knew for ages. I knew for ages that I on the tonally nine. And it internally knowing that I was going to hand it in the sounds like I'm done. And so it made me feel like I was getting through it more. So what was it? I always find that interesting? Was it like a catalyst was there
are things you should die where you like it, what
dates that so that email to him was on the second. The second, I think I needed to give sufficient amount of notice going into the holidays. So I gave them that in the lead up to because I didn't want to come back for the new year. Yeah. And so I yeah, I gave them enough time to then go into the into year and then not may not come back the next year. She was perfect. Because then it gave them all those break to find somebody. Yes, I was. I timed it well, because I didn't want to have to come back and start some new year and then Fuck off. Because every
job that I had, I knew that I was like, I'm going to leave, but it was always like, fairly impulsive. So I was always like, I'm fucking I'm gonna be out of here in the next six months, I reckon. And then I just haven't Rama is that
I've seen you do it. Yeah, I'm saying if I can do we go into when you did it? Yeah. Yeah,
I just. I know a bit. Maybe it's maybe it's the right approach for you. Yeah. Yeah, actually, I remember that. But maybe it's not. So I mean, having a bit of a I mean, so there's,
there's a definitely plan. But I think that I've always like I've strategized it. I think there's something in the power
I need to lose can now do that. But I think that it's, um, these are impact. There's an impact, right? where it's like, if there's what I am. Oh, what has happened every time where it's like, I have a reason for leaving. Yeah, I have the opportunity. Like, what would I guess what most people would do with on whatever day they've got a new job, or whatever, is that found a point where they're ready to make the jump, and then they say, Hi, this, this has been happening? Well, this is why I haven't been happy with for the last like, X amount of times. And this one leaving my approach has been like, these things have happened. And I'm like, if this happens, again, this is that is my trigger point to be able to finish it up. And it's I think that I personally think that it has some more effectiveness to it. Because normally, in those moments, there's a decision to be made. So to move forward. There needs to be a hard conversation and out of respect, sometimes I think it's like, you know what, like, I'm gonna make this hard conversation, a different conversation, because we don't need to actually work out how we're going to do a better next time because there isn't going to be a next time on the fact I'm faking it out of here. I think there is definitely that's the way you deal with it. Right? am I wearing a mask do that? I think it definitely is. Because it's like, it's like the person who wants to break out with somebody says the relationship by doing something that they shouldn't do. Yeah, if you know what I mean. Yeah, I mean, it's like, well, I got no option. Yeah. Catch. Delilah? Yeah.
So it's like, you build this app, you could have that you could go the high conversations coming. And it's on Monday. Yeah. And I just do it then. Yeah, and I and I'm cool about it. So it's a different energy that comes and I don't think ones right or wrong. It hasn't not worked for you. Yeah, it's, it's done exactly what you needed it to do. Yeah, it's
like I am, it always means that it's, it's going towards confrontation. I was well, like, it's always it's never know the energy in those moments. Yeah, you
can. You can feel it. Yeah. So the other one can be. Look, I'm am I'm actually going to finish up. Yeah, I've decided to take the leap. Yeah. And have them go. Oh, that's fucking awesome.
And that's really nice about and the thing is that, for the most part, it normally
it happens the paper, it's all of respect thing, right? So the people who I respect always get like that, sort of, I'm doing this, you know, this is what's, you know, I'll let them know, like, my like, yeah, previous roles where I've had like, really close friends who were high up in the company. I'm like, Hey, man, like, this is how I'm feeling just so you know, when I have my big exit, blow up
just fine. But it's, um, what were you? You know, you've had a few, you know, just given the fact that you haven't had crazy long term. I've obviously been in a long term relationship. 10 years, How have your breakups normally gone? Yeah, definitely edging towards what you say. Yeah,
not that I gone and done anything that I shouldn't have.
But I definitely feel like you start you know, it's fact and you just like it's imploding yeah and he just being a bit toxic and then it ends because it's sort of like severed and like it comes to a point where it's like I'm done but I think there is an ego in like the job thing like ending it's like now I'm fucking walk and add a they're gonna they're gonna not know what they lost can't replace me Yeah, but the fucking will get
yes that's how business run and I've definitely that has never really been the angle for mine it's just been like as if
you haven't sorted that they're not gonna find someone
well I think the thing is, it's like I'm not like
this isn't the path for me like it's always been very sort of
internal in that approach. It's like what do I want of my life versus because especially like you think about radio when I finished up at Fox they fucking had I had no joke people creating
hashtag to try and get my job like people created a Twitter hashtag Bane like I want to be the new you know web guy like people do that shit and so and you feel that in radio you know that you're only like one step away from someone else is taking over and they'll just because you have literally and this was the reason that I left radio was I'm Seth garden would talk about this all the time it's the cog in the machine you are literally you you
you are this perfectly is perfect colleague that can then be replaced you have a third certain qualities and this so many people think about how many regional radio stations there are in Australia you would they could just fucking move them around. Yeah, I think Yeah, yeah,
I definitely felt
like those at times. We might goes back but is I think what I thought then you saying that if you're that reflective on it's not the path for me? Yeah, don't blow up. Yeah. Be the bigger man. Yeah.
Have the high conversation Do you think like the way you're referring to do you think that was there wasn't really a blow up though I think differently. And there was a there was an energy but it was also being met with other people's energy. Right.
I think it's a time and place right. I think it's savoring it later. I think just in the moment where you're calm will bring a different approach to Yeah. Sean because he it does bring the site like it will be no doubt blowing up because when you're going Fuck, you know, it's
literally been like, it's actually really calm like, but
I think the end up
Yeah, well, the blow up is Hey, guys. I know we're having this conversation. But we don't need to have this conversation anymore. We're down because we're done. Yeah. Yeah.
So what you're saying is you have verbally you being calm. Yeah, but everything else. The communication around everything else is not. Yeah.
So it's washing the fire
rather than the Big Bang. I get it very quickly. I'm fucking fascinated with the breakup stuff. If you were to tell people this is how like, if it's Tommy's lessons for bright cops, what would be some like, what are all the lessons that you've learned over the years of breakups? What listen to yourself, like, if you truly I think it's in anything, if you're connecting to how you're actually feeling and what you're really thinking, and what you really know is the right thing. And that being ending this relationship and going through the pain because I think with relationships, and I felt it I know that pain ahead, even though I didn't want to be in the relationship going from being with somebody every day, sleeping next to them every day to having nothing. That's fucking hard. Yeah, but what's harder is being in a toxic relationship and what that will do to your mind your body internally, it's like makes me feel so tired and just yuck. So I think I hope that helps. Hey, I'm getting a call from me. All right, we're gonna break this is
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