Queer eye nostalgia alert

Josh: It's the daily talk show, TJ.

Tommy: Did it again.

Josh: Yep.

Tommy: Same as yesterday. 31.

Josh: Yeah, boy.

Tommy: What's up?

Josh: 31 was, uh, I think my basketball number for a while. 31.

Tommy: You, you were a basketball guy?

Josh: Yep. Played for Warriors, the All Saints, uh, not All Saints, just Saints.

Tommy: I could imagine you. I, I remember like seeing kids go to— I never played basketball, it wasn't my thing.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: But I saw— I can play it, But I'm just, yeah, shit ass footy guy.

Josh: I played footy too.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: I can't remember if I made it to 50 games. Would have loved a banner.

Tommy: I love achievements that you're pulling on as a 27-year-old from when you were a child. It's like, fuck.

Josh: I won like, um, best on ground one year. Oh yeah. It was like under 10s. Do you know why the reason was?

Tommy: Why?

Josh: Because, uh, it was like a round robin type of deal and they were all on— I got my first goal ever.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And it was just because, because it was round robin, they were playing on smaller ovals so I could actually run and make it to the end, whereas I could never fucking run an entire oval and actually kick a goal.

Tommy: I played footy. This is a quick footy storey before I get into something I want to talk about.

Josh: Footy chat.

Tommy: I had a big hit And I can't— I went down like a sack of shit.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And my best mate at the time, his dad was the runner, and he ran out and fucking just to cheque if I was right. He's like, Tommy, Tommy, you're right, mate. And I said, yeah, I'm all right. He said, um, where do you live? I said, what? Where do you live? I said, what do you mean? You know where I live. He was trying to cheque if I was concussed, and I outsmarted him thinking he was a dickhead for asking where I live, mate.

Josh: We're playing a fucking game. Game, I'll tell you. Dad knows, go ask him. That's so funny. My dad was a runner for my footy club in Devon Hills Footy Club, and he wasn't like a really fit guy, but he really got into it. He once swore at the umpire while he was being a runner, got— had to go to the tribunal.

Tommy: Did he?

Josh: Yeah. It's one of those dads.

Tommy: And what happened to him?

Josh: Apparently, like, they— no one ended up rocking up to the tribunal, so it was all fine. But—

Tommy: Regional club footy.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: That's funny.

Josh: So many of those.

Tommy: We pull on stuff from our childhood storeys and stuff.

Josh: Nostalgia alert.

Tommy: Yeah, well, that's the reality of it, right? Because you, you're just your memories from the past that make up who you are today. But it's like, I feel there is a point.

Josh: We move on.

Tommy: To move on.

Josh: Yeah. No, but I mean, like, I literally had a friend say to me, she's like, I've never heard about— she's like, how old are you? I'm like, 27. She's like, I've never heard of someone speak so much about their past.

Tommy: Like, that you do, that was saying to you?

Josh: She was like, yeah, she was like, I would assume that you were in school like a year ago.

Tommy: I know, but maybe, maybe it is because I feel like I'm well past the school stuff and I feel like I've cut— but I feel like that I remember it was almost like a Tamagotchi evolving. I like, I feel like I came out of there and I've moved into this, this new space as an adult. And I almost feel a bit cringy, nostalgic. Nah, but I'm like, I don't— that past stuff isn't me. Because I think like, you're, you're 18 when you leave school and you've only been out of school for less than 10 years.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Which is such a small amount of time in the scheme of life. Like, you were in school more than you were fucking You've been out of school.

Josh: And I was just such an outrageous kid, too.

Tommy: You're just a big fucking kid now.

Josh: Yeah, I am a bit, am I? Do you think? I think that's like conducive to creativity and just being a bit sort of fucking playful and—

Tommy: I was hearing about creativity. I think it was Jordan Peterson was saying that like—

Josh: You're all about this Jordan Peterson guy. How do you describe him?

Tommy: He's like a clinical psychologist, but he's a a pioneer of free speech. And he's, for me, just makes a lot of logical sense approaching very serious topics. But he also has educated me on things require layered discussions. So big topics that are talked about in headline media.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Uh, very, um, I guess polarizing. They spark people's thoughts in a specific way that's driven by their agenda or driven by what they think will do best for them. And so Jordan, he's very intelligent, so he unpacks things amazingly, right? And he makes sure that you understand that there's layers to this conversation.

Josh: You hate when I talk in layers though, don't you?

Tommy: Like, I hate when you— I hate you. No, layers are fine. But if you're— you need to identify and not just run through layers, like, because you get annoyed layers constantly, right? So you're going, no, we're talking about this. Um, so he's, he's very intelligent, and I almost—

Josh: I mean, Jordan, not me.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I'm listening. I'm into listening to intelligent people.

Josh: It, it's like, what sort of a statement?

Tommy: No, but like, it makes me feel good even though I don't fucking get it, right? It's like, have you listened to Sam Harris?

Josh: Yeah. Do you think Albert Einstein would have had a podcast.

Tommy: Yes, he definitely would have.

Josh: Who would have been the Gary Vaynerchuk of like— could you just imagine fucking— I can't even think of anyone.

Tommy: No, I don't know. Great.

Josh: Steve Jobs having a podcast, The Startup Show. Well, he wasn't talking about Apple.

Tommy: He's someone who actually knows. What was I fucking talking about? Why did I bring up Jordan Peterson before you took us on to creativity? Oh yeah, and so he's saying that like you can predetermine someone's, um, political stance, left or right, based on a personality test. So creative people, uh, tend to lean towards the right.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: For— right, yeah, for specific— I can't remember. Fuck, I might be butchering that, but either way, it's because creative people— and he's saying that creative people struggle. It might be the opposite. It's not the point of what I'm trying to say though.

Josh: It is a big point.

Tommy: No, it's not. I was saying it's like, it just your personality test can determine your wider life.

Josh: Let's just forget the right bit, because if you think about it, north side's pretty fucking creative and shit like that. Most people are left sort of.

Tommy: Okay, but it's not my point though. Okay, what I'm leading to is creativity and the struggles that people have, and it's like money, making money out of your creativity.

Josh: Definitely left, yeah.

Tommy: And so, it's like, fuck, I've lost it. I don't even know where I was going. You fucking confused me too much because I wasn't ever going to try and specifically say which one was which.

Josh: And that was even me being good. Like, I was really being attentive and listening.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But then there was an opening which I felt like was a good time to talk, but it clearly derailed you. You'll get better at it, I guess, this whole talking thing.

Tommy: Fuck off, cunt. That's the first time I called you a cunt in this podcast.

Josh: That's okay. Not the first time.

Tommy: No, it's amazing how you can just be fucking so rattled that you forget everything you're saying in the moment.

Josh: What rattles you, do you think? Ah, in life, like if you're on a job, if you're doing a client job, what do they have to say or do, or what happens for you to be rattled?

Tommy: I think if you were told that you're doing the wrong thing, or it's like it's not working. Yeah, because then you start going into overdrive of fucking panicking.

Josh: Or a client that asks something that's very, very technical, that's something that's only like we should know can sometimes be a bit—

Tommy: Where you struggle is if you actually try and talk about something as if you know it.

Josh: Yeah. And oh yeah, if you're trying to fake shit.

Tommy: Yeah. When you're—

Josh: which early days would have been you, right? Like when you're fucking getting started on all this shit. The confidence that you'd have now on understanding it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: If they're asking about aperture and shit at the early days when you're fucking rocking—

Tommy: what the fuck is white balance in the camera?

Josh: Like, mate, is the white balance right? 'What the fuck are you guys doing? White balance?

Tommy: What are you doing?' It's meant to look green.

Josh: Yes, it's the look.

Tommy: It's the look, right?

Josh: Don't go about colour grading, fix it in post.

Tommy: Faking it till you make it is a—

Josh: I don't know if I've done— I'm trying to think if I've— I think you, everyone— I don't know if I've actively faked. I think there's people who are just fucking bullshitters and they take fake it till you make it too literally. So they're like, okay, I'm going to bullshit my way through. Versus stopping that fucking bit of your brain which is saying you're useless, you can't sort of— we'll definitely put the explicit tag on this one.

Tommy: What did you say to me the other day? You're like, it was almost around Gary Vee, it's like everyone is making it up. Like to a certain degree, you know a lot of stuff, but you're also making it up because you don't know what does the future hold.

Josh: It's the executing, right? And I think that what can happen is there are people who are— who, like, say if we listen to a podcast and it's a bit shit, you get a bit fucking annoyed because you're like, these fuckers don't know what they're doing. And there's something really annoying about people who aren't at the level that you want them to be at and they're doing something, because it sort of makes you question, like, maybe I should be doing it.

Tommy: Yeah, but you mean you see someone shit who's almost having a bit of success or they're doing, and you're like, it's super inspiring.

Josh: Nothing's more like, you know, you go to a comedy night and someone's really shit and you think, mate, fuck, I can give this a go. It's like, it's the—

Tommy: So, there's plenty of people who have that thought, but then couldn't actually do it.

Josh: And so many people that would assume that they could do something and then they actually do it and they realise that it's so much harder. Because you're just looking at it from like this really sort of— You think about filmmaking, people are like, oh, it's fucking easy. Like, It's only this, this and this, and they fuck up their shutter or they, their focus is fucked or they lose a card. Like, there's so many elements.

Tommy: You don't have to be the best to win, right?

Josh: Most people aren't the best that wins. Like, I had this conversation with someone the other day where it's like, you know, talking about someone that we want to sort of build up and they're like, you know, they're so smart, they're so intelligent, they just need to do X, Y and Z. I'm like, yeah, but they're not doing X, Y and Z. And that's the difference. Like, I'm a bit of a dummy. Like I was shit at school. I was like, I wasn't, and not necessarily saying that I'm fucking anything now, but there's fuckers who are way smarter than me who were doing way less. I think it's almost a curse. I think having that pressure of being really smart is a curse. Like I couldn't, I couldn't fucking, nostalgia alert, like I couldn't fucking read properly for so long. I think I talked about that. It took like to grade 3. Where they worked out, oh fuck, Josh can't actually read, he's just been making shit up, telling stories.

Tommy: Yeah, it's not the book story.

Josh: Yeah, exactly, just fucking riffing.

Tommy: It's probably inevitable.

Josh: But even, um, best people in the world, like, you know, best business people in the world— Richard Branson, dyslexic. A lot of these people have these issues that then help them with success, versus if it's— if you're this fucking smart person, like you end up just fucking— it's so overwhelming.

Tommy: I'm gonna pull it away from getting into talking about success.

Josh: We always fucking go there.

Tommy: We all judge people, right? Yeah, yeah.

Josh: I pick it up on it sometimes where like if Bri and I are at traffic lights and there's like people walking past and before you know it we've spoken about 7 of them and what they're wearing. Do you do that? It's It's like, oh, look at this, oh wow, look at what she's wearing. Oh man, that guy, has he got a boner? Like all of that stuff.

Tommy: I definitely have. But so, I guess this is the old me as a kid was probably one of those fucking like punks that an adult would look at and I would look at and go, he's a little punk for thinking that. And so, I used to think like, have you ever met someone that has like a legit nose hair? Like I'm not talking about inside, everyone's got hairs inside their nose. I'm talking about off the side of their nose.

Josh: No.

Tommy: Like a long hair?

Josh: No.

Tommy: Never?

Josh: No, I don't think so.

Tommy: Fuck, man. I've seen hairs like coming out.

Josh: I get like a big eyebrow, like I'll sometimes brush them like, what the fuck?

Tommy: Really long hair.

Josh: And I'll think that that's like my fringe. I'm like, you've got to be fucking kidding me. And pull it out.

Tommy: It's— I used to look at people with really long, like long ear hairs coming out. I'd be like, how the fuck do you not know you got all that coming out your ear? You got a hair on your nose. And I used to be judgy like that thinking How do you not know? Like, are you not looking in the fucking mirror? And then you grow your nose hairs and shit, and then you're like, oh, hang on, I don't have a nose hair, but I fucking definitely have a bit of ear hair coming along. And I've got to the point where I look in the mirror, I'm like, what the fuck? But it's been there for a little while, and I'm like, I'm the fucking— I, I was the person that I was judging back then, and now here I am with fucking ear hair.

Josh: Fucking karma. I was shaving my face in the shower. I have to shave in the shower so I don't leave hair everywhere. And I was just like, maybe I'm gonna give my pubes a trim. Right? So, I ended up like, I started off just sort of like a little bit further away from that. Like I didn't have anything to control sort of the length. So, I started off far away.

Tommy: So, it wasn't a one. Is this like a specific beard shaver?

Josh: Yeah, but it just had like the one thing. But I'm like, if I just shave from above it, like sort of giving it a bit of length. But anyway, I fucked it and ended up just like fully shaving. But the weirdness—

Tommy: You've done a bodhi, just bald.

Josh: I'm bald. But the weirdness of it is, is I'm not used to it. So it constantly feels like my fly's undone. Like, it just feels like I've got skin sort of touching my shorts. I'm like walking around constantly like feeling my fly. Weird fucking feeling.

Tommy: I know, it fucking feels weird.

Josh: Have you always— do you, like, what's— do guys Do you think most guys would be trimming their pubes?

Tommy: You got to think a majority of men are manicuring themselves to certain degrees. Like, I go to the gym and I see dudes who bring their—

Josh: You've seen a lot of cock.

Tommy: Yeah, because at the gym, I mean, you see a bit of cock.

Josh: Yeah, go, go on.

Tommy: It's a fucking weird thing.

Josh: No, that's fine.

Tommy: Um, so I see dudes bringing—

Josh: It's your truth.

Tommy: I see dudes bringing like, uh, what is it called, like a, um, bathroom bag or what the fuck, I don't even know. I'm not fucking like a— it's a bag that holds toiletries bag. A toiletries bag. See, this is the thing, I don't fucking have any of this shit and I've never been one to bring to the gym a toiletries bag.

Josh: Well, I also don't— why do it at the gym? Like, why?

Tommy: No, you don't know gym culture. The dudes can't go before work. You haven't seen the cock I've seen, all right? You fucking—

Josh: that's, that's going to be that promo bit. We're starting promos today.

Tommy: You haven't seen the cock I've seen. So dudes go to the gym, they get— they have their shit, train, they have a shower, and then get ready for work. Like, some guys are full getting back into it, getting into a suit. And so there's guys that like will do their beard, then put lotion on their face, and then put lotion in their beard, blow dry their hair, then they'll fucking gel their hair.

Josh: You've got a pretty fucking special gym though. Everyone is like— Bree fucking hated going there because everyone's got like a full face of makeup.

Tommy: And yeah, I mean, these are, um, to-be-seen places, but a lot of these guys are just going off to work. But I see them and I go, fuck, that's not me. Like, I'm so far from that. I chuck all my shit in the bag and I probably stink. And I'm like, I kind of want to be a bit more like that, but I don't have it in me to do it. It's such a— like, but I think so there'd be guys that sort of gravitate towards manicuring themselves and shaving their pubes I do it, but I don't do the other manicuring stuff.

Josh: So, you just like, like what's the tactic? Is it sort of, do you do like a, what's that, like a fade? Do you have a pube fade?

Tommy: I've nearly fucking ripped my nuts open once.

Josh: Fuck, I almost like—

Tommy: Have you ever, have you ever cut your nuts and bled?

Josh: I cut my nuts a little bit last time, but the funny thing was that I then got scared, so I've got like this like hairy sack. Just, it really pronounces the hairy balls when you've shaved everything else.

Tommy: This is really fucking terrifying.

Josh: But then you also don't know where to stop. It's like all of a sudden you're like, oh, that sort of touches my leg. Before you know it, you're at your fucking knees.

Tommy: I think there's an expectation. Well, there's not an expectation. I think there's definitely women are seen to be having less hair. I think there's a perception that women should be bare down there, right?

Josh: Yeah, not in the Northside, I don't think.

Tommy: I think there's a movement against it, right?

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: But my point is, if you— if girls would probably think the same, right? You don't want some guy who's out of control.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Or maybe they do. What do you reckon?

Josh: I don't know. Well, I hadn't thought about it. I've trimmed probably previously, but I was just like, my shaver is really good. So I thought I'd give it, just give it a crack.

Tommy: Like, I haven't felt pressure from my partner.

Josh: Oh, it's never a thing, which is sort of hurtful, isn't it? It's like, you don't care? But the shock when Bree saw it, what the fuck? It was awesome. I like, um, yeah, it was, I, um, I sort of did an unveiling. I just, well, I just tried to make not a big deal about it and just sort of—

Tommy: But you had a robe. And you got your film lights on you.

Josh: So funny.

Tommy: Darling, look at this.

Josh: It's, um, yeah, I don't know. Are you a— how do you trim your fingernails and stuff?

Tommy: I bite them. But I bite— like, here's the thing, I am a biter to the right length and then I don't bite them. I'm not a nervous biter.

Josh: Well, that's what I do too, but is that fucking a bit piggish? It is, isn't it?

Tommy: Well, I think people say that it weakens your nails. I could probably ask one of the dudes that goes to the gym.

Josh: Hey mate. Hey buddy, do I, um, what's the, what length have you got there on your pubes? I'm trying to, can I measure it with my hand? Um, yeah, I mean, it's, uh, I mean, there's the obvious benefits of it looks bigger and stuff as well.

Tommy: Yeah. Um, who the fuck's doing that? Unless you just, maybe it's single dudes who If you're insecure about—

Josh: Yeah, if you're insecure, I guess like the more you can do to sort of enhance that, enhance it, push it out. Talking about manicuring though, Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

Tommy: You watched it?

Josh: I haven't watched the new one. I followed them on Instagram, but they're back on Netflix. Yeah. I don't know anything else other than that.

Tommy: Yeah, I told you last night, the interesting thing is they're not just styling straight dudes.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: They're saying it's like a push now. It's like, not just— it's not just straight men that need styling, it's also the gays because they're not all—

Josh: Carson on it, do we know?

Tommy: I don't know.

Josh: He was doing— he was sort of the go-to celeb for Melbourne Cup for a while there, you know. He'd be fucking connected with Maya. Actually, that was like— feels like way after fucking Queer Eye and he was going to the races.

Tommy: I worked late last night and Amy. Hey, thanks, mate. Thanks. That's it. I just want to say anything else. They, uh, Amy was watching Queer Eye the whole time that I was gone. She was laughing.

Josh: Oh, the new one?

Tommy: Yeah, the new one.

Josh: I need to get on it. So I'm pretty sure that's how you mentioned this.

Tommy: Tell me what you mentioned earlier on this podcast.

Josh: Like, when I was a kid, I would watch Queer Eye for the Straight Guy non-stop.

Tommy: Yeah, but what did you do with the shirts?

Josh: Yeah, so I would take all the feedback on, like, really, really. So there's a few things I remember them like talking about shaving and I tried shaving before I had any facial hair.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I did the opposite of what you're meant to do. I sort of fucked up what you're meant to do and rather than like pulling your face so it's like nice and taut, I did the opposite and scrunched my chin up.

Tommy: Oh, no.

Josh: I went over it and so cut my chin because I was like, kkkk. No idea. The other thing that I did is they would always talk about moisturiser. So, I'd be putting heaps of moisturiser on my face and because you're a kid, you're getting fucking acne. So, just like fucking lubing up my face and getting all of this acne. But then my, the best thing I took from Queer Eye for the Straight Guy were the shirts. They would talk about, they'd always have these fat cunts on and they're like, you know what, we've got a style that's really you. It's gonna make you feel confident and it's gonna just make you look a little bit thinner. And they would use vertical stripes. Yeah. And Best and Less had the best vertical striped shirt range and I would just fucking buy them all. And so, there was a good portion of my childhood, I'm talking like only 13, 14, where, you know, people would be going out, they would go to fucking JJ's or something like that and they'd have that sort of that Metro-esque style, like bright purples with greens and all that sort of thing.

Tommy: Here's you ready for a boardroom meeting.

Josh: Yeah. I literally look like a corporate who's finished up for the day. Just like a bit cas with the open. Yeah, I was a bit of a fucking weird unit, but I loved Queer Eye for the Straight Guy.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: But it does, it does bring up the whole like keeping all fucking manicured and looking after yourself.

Tommy: Yeah, I respect it if that's your fucking where you go with your head, but it's in terms of the moisturisers and all of that shit, I can't, I've just got no capacity in my brain to think about that.

Josh: I did try, um, uh, when Zoe Foster-Blake brought out her GOAT Bro 2 skincare.

Tommy: Bro 2.

Josh: I bought some of that and that was great. That was actually— Do you wash your face? What do you do when you get in the shower?

Tommy: Water. Wash my face.

Josh: Do you really like make it a thing where you wash your face?

Tommy: If I remember. It's really not a thing.

Josh: Like for me, it's like lather up, sort of you do your bits, fucking give it a rinse.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm thorough with the bits.

Josh: Yeah, but that's it. That's all. It's all bits action.

Tommy: And my underarms. You just need to wipe down.

Josh: I don't even reckon— the times that I really wash my underarms, every fucking time I forget that I've done it, I go out, I'm like, what the fuck is under my arms? I've got like suds.

Tommy: You forget to wash them.

Josh: I'm a full nubty.

Tommy: So, um, but then we need help from Queer Eye.

Josh: I really do. The straight guy in the shower.

Tommy: It's not called For the Straight Guy anymore. Queer Eye.

Josh: Queer Eye, of course. Yeah, makes sense. Yeah, but how often do you wash your hair?

Tommy: Fuck, mate. Every time I get a haircut.

Josh: That's so good though, because I got into the habit of washing my hair heaps.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And now after 2 days, it's fucking oily and I need to wash it again. Yeah. It's a good thing to do, not washing your hair all the time.

Tommy: Is it?

Josh: Yeah, because it's all the natural—

Tommy: Is this another tip from Queer Eye?

Josh: Yeah, well, it's all the natural oils and shit like that. But Queer Eye, they would talk about like I remember, fuck, I remember being a kid. This is pre-Queer Eye.

Tommy: Nostalgia alert.

Josh: Nostalgia alert. Being in prep, I had a teacher, Mr. Danson, who I fucking loved. He played guitar and had this slicked back hair. And so I would, I remember ruining mum's brush because I would get like a chunk of wax. I had no sense of like how much you would use. Like mum would always say, you only need a 5-cent piece. But I would literally like grab it with my hands, like have a whole chunk of it, and I'd put it in my hair and, and like you'd be able to see the wax. It was so much wax. I would use like half a jar in one go. I'd sleek it back. And I couldn't play guitar, but I'd borrow my brother's guitar, bring it to school, just fucking strum. Yeah, man, I was such a weirdo.

Tommy: I would see little motherfucker.

Josh: I would real fucking real greasy. And on that, the, uh You know, I was talking the other day about clubs and how I'd fucking do the cheque people, you know, do footy. Did we do that on the show?

Tommy: No, you just told me.

Josh: Oh yeah, so I would, I was obsessed with creating spreadsheets, like attendance lists. So if people wanted to play footy, they'd have to put their name on it and then I'd go through and I'd like say their name and I'd like—

Tommy: You just wanted to be the fucking gatekeeper that had a bit of control.

Josh: I love that shit.

Tommy: John, you here?

Josh: Present? And the funny thing is I'd get them to write their names down on the day and then read it out. But they'd just written them down, so of course they were there. It was just a bit of a power play. But finally, the one— I was the only kid in school, in primary school, that was allowed to use the PA system. So, I used to be able to walk through, you could go through the principal's office to access it. Like, oh, hey, Mr. Wall. And be like, dun dun dun. Sorry for the interruption. Could all Year 5 students— that's all Year 5 students— please make their way to the gymnasium? Gymnasium? I would fuck it up sometimes. Did you actually fuck shit up? No, I was pretty on it. But, um, fuck, I loved the power.

Tommy: If I went and spoke to— because you do, I reckon you are the person in my life that talks most about his past. Yeah, as a kid. When the fuck's that gonna stop?

Josh: I don't know.

Tommy: Are you gonna, like, when you're 40, you're gonna talk about when you're like— 100%.

Josh: That's what I was talking about you before. It's like the— it's something about like looking at the past. If I— this, this will eventually be the past and we'll look at it fondly of like, remember like us just getting the coffees and fucking worry-free and all that sort of shit.

Tommy: If I went and talked to kids from your school, like, how much would these memories align? What do you think that they would be like?

Josh: How about we do this? How about on my Facebook today I'll ask people, hey, if you went to school with me, can you please tell me what you remember of me?

Tommy: Will you put that up?

Josh: Yeah, I'll do that.

Tommy: Do you think people are actually right?

Josh: I think so. I was a pretty fucking outrageous kid.

Tommy: So, you're going to talk about on the podcast and if it's funny, the funnier the better.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: The more real, the better.

Josh: I think that, um, yeah, we'll definitely have a bunch of them. Did you ever do the, um, Yeah, the things that you put in a fucking, you put it in a tube and then they put it underground, the time capsule. Did you do that with your school?

Tommy: Nah.

Josh: Probably left before they even.

Tommy: I think we're just so opposite. Cause I was just looking at any chance to get the fuck out of there to start life. Cause life starts when you finish school. It's true. It's a mess when you're there. Cause you're just trying to fucking survive and be a human, be a little human in this weird world. And so you come out of it and you're having real interactions. People are treating you like a real human. That's what, like, I love getting older for many reasons and I hate it also for many reasons, but it's like, I love the responsibility and the ownership you can take over your own fucking life. Cause when you're a kid, there's no ownership there other than do your homework. Don't tell me what to do. It's like, but when you're older, it's like you've got no option because you won't survive if you don't do the right thing.

Josh: Or— Bri was asking me if we had a kid, what I would like, what sort of school I'd send them to.

Tommy: Mate, I haven't even thought about that.

Josh: Yeah, I've got a kid. Yeah, I know.

Tommy: Well, you're trying to fucking think past it.

Josh: Steiner School. Steiner School. Yeah, because I'm like, I don't want to— I don't want the bullshit of the private school shit. I want them to have some sort of grunge to them.

Tommy: Well, they focus on music and focus on—

Josh: Yeah, I want like creative arts. Yeah, and there's a whole new school just opening up in Williamstown, which is specifically around like startup culture. So they learned fucking agile. I wonder what those kids are, because developers within startups can be little fuckers. Like, they're pains in the ass. Like, they're pre-Madonna. Is that like a sexist— I don't even know what pre-Madonna means, do you?

Tommy: Why are you bringing it up if you don't?

Josh: Well, prima, you know, I just naturally was going to say they're pre-Madonnas. What does that mean? I'm guessing like Madonna was a— Anyway, anyway, uh, fucking yeah, startup culture I feel like has the negative side too, which is just like, I don't know, like—

Tommy: So, Steiner was a person?

Josh: Probably.

Tommy: No, what he was. And so, my— I looked into going to a Steiner school as a kid and having your baby sleep without blankets or like without— So, their arms are free is like a method of Steiner.

Josh: Interesting.

Tommy: It's a— So, there's a lot of different methods of This— it's the Steiner approach.

Josh: I just like the idea of like not being fully into a curriculum, like learning shit. But what I think should have happened with school is they should have said, okay, you're learning this language and this is connected into economics. And what's going to happen is you're going to learn Mandarin and then you're actually going to go over there and you're going to be talking about business and you're going to go into fucking factories. And like, I just think that they're so— like the school that I went to, the teachers were literally just babysitting. They just were making sure that people weren't getting into punch-ons. And no one was trying to stab anyone. That was literally like their job. And there was nothing, there was no big thinking, there was no nothing like that. And I loved a lot of my teachers. They were great.

Tommy: Yeah, it gives me, I cringe talking about school.

Josh: Well, maybe we'll finish, like let's try and not talk. Let's think about other nostalgia. I think one thing—

Tommy: You think about it.

Josh: I know, I think about it a lot. But it's because I just feel like little stories, right? I've just got so many little stories.

Tommy: You bring them out from your adulthood. I mean, I like the squeegee one, episode 14.

Josh: No, that was high school still.

Tommy: Uh, no, that's what I'm saying.

Josh: Yeah, it wasn't my adult fucking story. Thank you. My last week's story. Um, well, okay, let's finish up by tell me a storey from last week.

Tommy: Fuck. See, I can't fucking remember.

Josh: Isn't it funny? Maybe it's my long-term memory. Maybe I've got a fucking great long-term memory, but a shit short-term memory. But also short-term stuff you feel in it, right? So me saying about something that happened, like we're still in it. It's not really— you can't look at it and like, fuck-ups aren't funny. Funny things aren't as funny.

Tommy: I think it's easy to talk about stuff in the past because it's not who you are now.

Josh: Yeah, you detach from it.

Tommy: And when you talk— I've said, let's talk about our businesses, and you're like, ah, maybe it's too revealing for people that are listening. It's like, I think everyone is going through this learning, and it's the people who are acting like they fucking know it all, or like, hey, I've got our shit together, this is, this is how you do it. It's like the reality is everyone's just fumbling through life and some are just more optimal in some areas. And—

Josh: But I think that what happens too is within all this realm of authenticity that people are trying to push, I think there's this like fake, not fake authenticity, but us talking about, say, specifically nuanced stuff within our business. People will then like take that and then try and apply it to their stuff where it's like, it is so fucking unique. There are so many elements to everything that makes up all of these things that in isolation, for us to be able to really give context within, say, your business and where you're at, I just worry that people are like, oh, well, that's like, oh, fuck, Tommy did it. And it's like, but we can— you can easily forget all of this other shit that you were going through or the other stuff. So we still go super selective. Um, so yeah, I think that every— it's like health or anything like that. It's like our conversation, we literally— the reason we started this podcast, we go there, but it's like the, the—

Tommy: your point around— I think it's overthinking what other people are going to think about what you were saying.

Josh: No, I don't— I actually don't think everyone— I don't think that— what did you pay in tax last year?

Tommy: Fuck, I don't know.

Josh: Well, see, the thing is that you don't owe that. Like, I don't— I think there are some things where it's like you actually—

Tommy: I could tell you, but it's a quarterly payment that I can't remember what it was.

Josh: But the thing is, so I think my point is that there are certain things where it's like I've been really transparent with people with stuff, and then I see where it goes and where it's like becomes these headlines, right? So, it's like maybe you had a really good month and for whatever reason, like you've spoken to a mate about that thing and then they become obsessed with that number, right? So they're like, oh fuck, he made $100K that month. And then all of a sudden they think you're fucking a rich cunt and that they're gonna fucking pay for it.

Tommy: Yeah, but that's okay. It doesn't matter because it's their own. Here's a storey that I was told recently, and it plays into the nosy people, people taking from information what they will.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: This guy sold a house, bought a new one, and this dude messaged this guy who sold the house and said, "Hey man, I was just wondering, um..." He actually wasn't wondering anything. He was basically emailing him to tell him that he'd gone back on the original sale price that he bought that first property for and then looked at how much he sold it for and then looked at the stamp duty he would have had to pay for selling that house and basically just told him, "So you only made $15,000 on that sale." Is that correct? This is some fucking cunt who's gone out of his way to like look into all this stuff, but it's like that will happen.

Josh: But this is my, this is my thing. So it's like I respect people, like everyone that's listening right now, I respect you and I'm telling like, I'll tell you, oh, because I don't know who you are. No, I respect you.

Tommy: We might not respect you.

Josh: We respect the fact that you're fucking interested in listening.

Tommy: I appreciate it.

Josh: Please, the thing is though that there is that like what I've realised over these years is it's like, don't owe people shit. If I want to talk about stuff, I'll talk about it, but I don't need to get all uncomfortable and like reveal all these things. Like, I think that that's a— my squeegee story, fucking hell, I put a squeegee up my ass when I was 14, right? It never gets old. I don't care. Like, and that's the thing. But you know what, like, I think that, um, that's the headline of the—

Tommy: we're doing soundbites today, Josh.

Josh: This is—

Tommy: that's the soundbite.

Josh: But I think that people can— you can take that to other things too. There's nothing about this Nothing about being untransparent or not being honest or like, there are just, and this is something that's only happening over time that I'm discovering, is it's boundaries. It is actually boundaries. It's realising that like people will, like people love to apply things and to say things and to take things out of context. And so, I'm always I always just think of like, okay, well, what, how is that going to help them? And a lot of times these sound bites that we have where it's like, it's like a mate was talking to me about like, I've got a trust, right? I've got a company that's a trustee of a trust and all this fucking shit, right? He starts asking all these questions about, so why, like, what does that mean? How does that? And I'm like, look, I can sort of explain it in this roundabout way. It might not necessarily make all That amount of sense. And like, that's, that's a thing that I always wonder about is like there's 50 ways to slice and dice different things. And I like to think about broad— talking about broader things. But so many times people can take out little bits of information and they completely miss the point. And it's even stuff around health and fitness. It's around like they take it, maybe pedantic about it, and they don't get the same results because it's like You might say, I make all my money through retainers or whatever. So then everyone starts going after that and they forget that there's X, Y, and Z that's actually, or what they're thinking is a retainer isn't really retainer. I don't know where I'm going with it, but I think it's just my, it's why I think that I don't talk about everything. And if you want me to like, and it's even that thing of, picking your brain. I used to have that Post-it note, which, because I was going to make a video on it, no, you can't pick my brain. Like, what I'm starting to realise is like, I'm very open to people. I'll give you my thoughts, but I won't like, I don't like, we don't owe people shit, right? And so like, and that's a very like unglamorous thing to say, and it doesn't sound that appealing, but I will help people lots. I'll do all these sorts of things. I'm like one of the fucking most generous people in the sense of like of information and helping people grow. But I never, I don't owe it to them. I just do it because I'm actually getting like, I'm getting joy out of helping.

Tommy: Well, people want—

Josh: Does that make me sound like a cunt or do you know?

Tommy: My friend who's a coach, he says, um, you know, he charges $300 or whatever it is, $400 for a coaching session per hour.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And people contact him constantly saying, can we catch up? And the reality is these people just want to pay $3.80, the price of a coffee, for a coaching session.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Because what he does and what the conversation will be over a coffee is a $400 conversation, but he doesn't owe it to them to catch up. They think that it's— and it's a similar thing you're saying. It's like Cody Pivotsi.

Josh: It's a— sometimes, like, I think when I was younger, I felt like I wanted nostalgia. Nostalgia. Like, I used to, no, but seriously, used to want everyone to be my friend. I wanted to, I'm just a bit fucking, like I've changed, man. I've changed, like the reason that you and I are so close is actually because like I've deprioritised like so many other people. Because like I'm like, I used to think that everyone was my friend. I really did. I was like.

Tommy: Well, you had to have them your friend.

Josh: Yeah. And that was like the goal. And now I'm just like, I'm so fine with having people I like as acquaintances. I don't need to know anything, everything about them. They don't need to know. And we catch up, we have a good time, but that's all it is. Yeah. Because I've even had like people who I've been really close with who you actually discover is like, oh, you're a bit of a fuckwit. And it's really disheartening. But then if you realise that like, oh, I'm just controlling me, I don't know, maybe I'm putting up walls.

Tommy: But, um, no, I think I, I I've been the other way, as in I've been what you've become.

Josh: Yeah, earlier on.

Tommy: I don't actually know fucking how.

Josh: What do you mean?

Tommy: I've always just sort of categorised my friends, you know, like, oh, I've got a lot of acquaintances, but I don't like— it's not that I don't trust them, but I don't allow myself to put this emphasis on it that is going to end up in a really bad result.

Josh: Yeah, you just don't owe people all the, like, by expressing yourself. Like, we are in the business of expressing ourselves and do ourselves and doing things creatively, which gives them a lot. I think this is why it happens, because we work with clients who pay us to— for us to express ourselves and to give them that sort of thing. So when someone says, hey, I've got a potential job, can we have a meeting? You're naturally like in this mode of like, I'm going to express myself, I'm going to show everything, blah blah blah. Treating everyone like a potential client. But I just don't do that anymore. I'm like, you pay and then I'm going to give you a bunch and I'll like try and help you if I can. But I just do it. The change is I'm doing it on my terms, I think. I'm just like, if I'm not vibing with someone or I just don't have, I won't like catch up with them. I'm just like, nah, I'm busy.

Tommy: I could not think of anything worse than hanging out with someone I don't want to hang out with.

Josh: I used to do it all the time.

Tommy: Fuck.

Josh: So, it's nice. Thanks everyone, thedailytalkshow.com. You can subscribe on iTunes, you can send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. You can even do snail mail, which is PO Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067. And can I just say—

Tommy: Oh, fuck, what else?

Josh: Reviews are appreciated.

Tommy: Oh, very much so. And subscriptions to YouTube.

Josh: Yeah, to iTunes, you numpty.

Tommy: No, subscriptions to my YouTube channel. Mate, you don't have a YouTube channel anymore.

Josh: I've retired mine. No, that's a joke. My subscriber base is going up.

Tommy: I'm very, very happy with it. Awesome.

Josh: Thanks everyone. Uh, new Obike content coming soon, maybe.

Tommy: Okay, potentially.

Josh: Bye guys, happy Tuesday!