Bum stings and ear rings

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It is episode 26.

Tommy: You always look at your watch when we do this, that first thing, and I can't—

Josh: I don't even have the date right now.

Tommy: What did you do last night to me, your dog? We went out like—

Josh: oh yeah, went out to dinner.

Tommy: Josh is the most distracted person on a mobile device or like technical tech devices in the presence of you.

Josh: Just have a mini stroke.

Tommy: I didn't. I like the deflection of this outing you as a tech pest. So when you hang out with Josh, he's always on his phone, and it's what I love about you, and it's what I fucking hate about you.

Josh: I'm not on calls.

Tommy: No, but you are very distracted.

Josh: Yeah, I get that.

Tommy: And so last night we're at dinner, and I was like, dude, you could fucking just lay off your phone a bit. I was like a needy girlfriend.

Josh: And what did I do? I put my phone away from me.

Tommy: And I realised he'd conned me because all he was doing then was looking at his iWatch.

Josh: You're such a fucking old per— it's an Apple Watch, you idiot.

Tommy: I just don't have one. But you were doing exactly— you're looking at your Facebook.

Josh: No, I wasn't looking at Facebook. I was just getting notifications. But the thing is that it works out well for you because you just looked at it as, as you said. Yeah, I did. I don't know, it's just that thing you do. But no, it works out well for you because our friendship extends to text messages. And you wouldn't believe how many times I'm having dinner with Bray and she's like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm just, I'm just wanting to talk to Tommy. Are you good like that? Are you good? Do you? I feel like you're pretty quick on the text line.

Tommy: Yeah, I am. Amy and I like have the shut off points where we do.

Josh: When? I think there's never been a time where you haven't written back pretty quick. Yeah.

Tommy: I reckon I'm the worst. I reckon lately.

Josh: At responding to people?

Tommy: No, no, no, just being consumed by the devices.

Josh: No, I get it.

Tommy: I feel like my— I was talking to a bloke about float tanks, and supposedly this place in Rockabye Street in Collingwood, which is right near our office in Melbourne— we're still in Sydney, by the way, we're in a hotel room.

Josh: Yeah, at the Ibis.

Tommy: Yeah, we did a big year on that yesterday.

Josh: Yep.

Tommy: Um, anyway, uh, so float tanks. I know there's a lot of people been banging on about them, but my, my mate was saying that it's like you just have this battle with your mind in them. So it's like, I guess it's like a form of meditation. You, all your senses are kind of taken away and you're just floating and you're left with your mind, and that can be fucking scary.

Josh: Do you feel like those public— that would you go full, full nude?

Tommy: I don't know if you can. I don't know if you're meant to.

Josh: I think you can. I think that's the idea of them.

Tommy: You gotta have earplugs in though. My brother got some wicked ear infection from doing it.

Josh: That's fucking gross.

Tommy: I've been in the Dead Sea, which is—

Josh: That's even better. That's the real life float fucking tank.

Tommy: Yeah, it's the lowest point on Earth. Quite sure of that.

Josh: What does that even mean?

Tommy: Lowest point? So, it's the lowest—

Josh: Nah, I don't know if that's true.

Tommy: Point below sea level.

Josh: That you can get to that's in water, maybe.

Tommy: Look it up.

Josh: I'm not fucking— you know what, we'll close the loop tomorrow. Close the loop.

Tommy: But I'm sure there's signs everywhere saying this is the lowest point on Earth.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: And so the salt content in the water is ridiculous. I made a video, it's on my YouTube channel, youtube.com.

Josh: I thought the lowest point on Earth was when I was eating all the chocolate the other day.

Tommy: Fuck it, that's your world. But dude, you go in the salt Yeah, and I'm sure this is probably just the same with float tanks. Your bum hole stings.

Josh: Why?

Tommy: All the, um, like if you've just got any kind of little cut, if you've been—

Josh: why is your bum also just from that little—

Tommy: I'd smashed a few fucking schnitzel shawarmas over in—

Josh: who's shawarma?

Tommy: Israel. But females, lady parts, they sting.

Josh: They're vaginas. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. And because of the salt content, and like if you've got any cuts on your fingers or like, you know, around your fingernails, it's like, oh, it hurts. And I did the mistake of trying to be a cool cat and I splashed water into my eye and dude, it's trying to be a cool cat. I was spinning, doing this GoPro thing where, because everyone floats, right? And so we floated in a big circle and I was in the middle and I held the GoPro.

Josh: Sounds like my fucking like hell. And spun around.

Tommy: You're with other people.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, it's like, oh, I was there for a wedding. Oh, so you were with all people you knew?

Tommy: It was 25 people that we knew.

Josh: That's fun.

Tommy: And so I spun around, had the GoPro so you could see the circle. It looked awesome. And then I fell into the water in the middle and it just like dunk and just splashed up the water into my eyes. It was so painful. But the weirdest thing was when I got out, washed it out, and I was waiting for the bus to take us back up to where you come, where you get, how you get there. It's bizarre. It is the most bizarre thing. You need to get on a bus from this, like, almost looks like an aqua center. Yeah, there's pools and shit, and it takes you down to the foreshore, which is like, it's like just a big lake. And so we're waiting for the bus to get back up, and look out, and there's this dude with— or it might have been a woman, it was like a burqa.

Josh: So it was like a woman, I guess.

Tommy: Yeah, it must be, unless it was—

Josh: no, are there men Do men wear burkas?

Tommy: No, but I—

Josh: oh, they wear the fucking— the other thing.

Tommy: It was some headpiece, and this person was just washing their face with the salt water, which would have killed, given it was stinging your little butt. Did you mention my eyes? And so this dude would have been— well, this woman— I think I've got a photo. I'm going to investigate that.

Josh: Let's say it got bogged down.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. And but I was like, how do you do that? How do you— You're stinging.

Josh: Did you— Was— Did you know before you went in that things would sting?

Tommy: I heard you get sting ring.

Josh: Okay. So, you're ready for it.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's still a bit uncomfortable and a bit of a pushover.

Josh: But if you didn't know that and went in, it would have been a different experience.

Tommy: Yeah, it would have been weird.

Josh: It would have been real shock. It would probably make your ears ring. Do you reckon?

Tommy: No, why would my ears ring? It's my fucking—

Josh: I feel like it's like this.

Tommy: Stinging my body, not my fucking ears.

Josh: Maybe I've got tinnitus. I think I've got tinnitus. Some things, like, like if my blood sugar level's all fucking funny, I feel like if my bum was stinging, me ears would ring. That is the weirdest thing! If your bum stings, your ears ring.

Tommy: That's so fucking weird.

Josh: I don't know why I thought that. Maybe it's happened. Anyway, it doesn't matter.

Tommy: You're a weird unit.

Josh: The, um, if you— oh no, this is trying to be all zany. I'm like, so have you ever had haemorrhoids before? It's diminishing returns, diminishing returns.

Tommy: You got anything you want to talk to me about today?

Josh: Ah, I'm annoyed about my book.

Tommy: Which book?

Josh: Crushing It, uh, the Gary Vee book.

Tommy: Oh, are you serious?

Josh: Well, I just wanted to bring up the— when you said, are you serious? Siri thought you were talking to her. Anyway, no. So, I bought Crushing It, the book, Gary Vaynerchuk's new book.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And I stuffed it into my bag. I had so much carry-on and then I was really struggling to zip it up. And then when I unzipped my bag afterwards, I saw I'd torn The page.

Tommy: It's a hard copy with like a paper sleeve around it, right?

Josh: Yeah. Like one of those dust covers. But there's just something, it reminds me of these things that have happened to things that I own. For instance, I remember I had a Bart Simpson t-shirt when I was a kid from Myer and somehow I think it got caught on a fence and it had a really small tear. Yeah. And Mum tried to like sew it and I was just like, I couldn't wear it again. It was fucked. We had to go buy a new one.

Tommy: You're a real things kind of guy. And this stuff rattles you. Like, that rattled you. I know you, you mentioned that when you pulled it out, and I thought it would be the last time. You bought 2 copies. You bought one for me. Yeah, you can just have that one.

Josh: No, it's fine.

Tommy: It does not bother me about a little rip in there.

Josh: It doesn't, it doesn't fucking matter.

Tommy: It does because it's eaten away at you.

Josh: It hasn't eaten away.

Tommy: Ears are ringing. Oh, my page is ripped, my ears are ringing.

Josh: You, uh, Are you weird about like, like you don't like— Bree's the same way. Maybe I've gotten it a bit from Bree. She likes new things.

Tommy: It's nice to have something looking new for a while, but fuck, it's a real— like they're just objects that you've purchased.

Josh: It's very— you're being very Matt D'Avella. You know, he gets one shout out an episode. Hi, Matt. But no, that's very sort of, that's very mindful of you.

Tommy: I know what it's like. It's annoying. I fucked my car. The BMW. Remember how I told you?

Josh: Yeah, the red leather seats.

Tommy: And I had with the TV in it.

Josh: Yeah, what'd you do?

Tommy: Um, I reversed and I didn't hit in, I didn't smash into the back of anything, but I reversed and it went up like a gutter, but the gutter was like a footpath, so it went up fine, but when it went off the other side, it dented the underside of it.

Josh: Fuck.

Tommy: So you couldn't actually—

Josh: What sort of BMW was it?

Tommy: It was a 3 323, a 330ci.

Josh: What would the outright cost have been, probably?

Tommy: Oh, when it was brand new? Yeah, I reckon $60k.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But so I reversed up and, man, it pissed me off so much. And it was the same thing, but I was like, fuck, because I came out and saw it every time that I went to it, and no one else would have seen it. But I was like looking, you have to look right towards like the underneath side and from a certain angle you'd see it.

Josh: Are you— have you been much of it? We were talking the other day about selling things on eBay. Yeah. Are you much of a secondhand buyer?

Tommy: Secondhand buyer? Uh, it's not really.

Josh: I guess you've gotten a few hand-me-downs.

Tommy: I don't buy a lot of shit, dude. I really don't buy a lot of stuff. It's— I sold my car, sold a few cars. You would have had to buy it. That's what I was gonna say about the BMW. So I came out to it another time and there's like the lights at the back just between the boot and there was a dint. It looked like someone had thrown a golf ball at the back of my car.

Josh: Fuck.

Tommy: And the dint was like in a position. So you got like the bumper that comes up and then it goes in and then you had like a little bit of metal before the lights. And it was in that little bit of metal. So I couldn't even work out how it happened to some— how it was there. I reckon someone threw something at it and dented it. So I was so pissed off about that for ages, right? And I just kept thinking, please can someone crash into the back of me and maybe okay, not injured.

Josh: And did it ever happen or no?

Tommy: I got a phone call.

Josh: Fuck off, you got a phone call? So you weren't even in the car?

Tommy: No, no, no, this is 6 months later. I was down at a cafe and I had my car parked out the front of my personal training studio.

Josh: With the back a little bit out?

Tommy: No, no, just on it in the normal car park position, like out the front of anyone's house really. And I get this phone call and I missed it. And I checked the voicemail and this was the voicemail. Oh, g'day Tommy, it's Manny from across the road, mate. I'm so sorry, I've just run up the back of your car. I'm so sorry, mate. Look, I will, um, get it repaired. Look, I'm happy to pay for it. Just when you get back, just come over and see me.

Josh: Happy to pay for it. Fucking oath.

Tommy: Fucking oath. But I got back and he'd run up the back of my car, and the insurance replaced the whole backside, and I fixed that bit. It fixed the bit that some asshole—

Josh: So good, isn't it?

Tommy: I'd visualise that. I wish I could fucking visualise something a bit more positive than that for me to happen. Fuck, I fixed it with my visualization.

Josh: The visualisation's great. Um, yeah, it was— I could go down the fucking rabbit hole of all the things I've broken, but I do like, I do like, uh, new shit. I've got nothing to say. I'm sorry, I just had the— I've just—

Tommy: Has there been— I've talked more on this I reckon I've been more fucking like, um, bit who, uh, what's the word, like woo-woo on this podcast. Now, like, I'm— what I'm saying is like talking more about success principles. No, across the board. Yeah, but like you've talked to me about my vision boarding and like all that shit. No, but you're not that. You're a bit more practical. You like real shit.

Josh: Maybe, uh, no, I think that like I love, you know, I love self-help books, listen to them all. But, um, no, I think I, uh, I don't know, I, um, have a bit of cynicism with stuff. So, don't you think?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, you do. Yeah, it's because you fucking outthink that what the other person has done or was writing about. Yeah, maybe then you fucking—

Josh: Oh, the talking about thinking and stuff in the float tanks, I was thinking a few things, uh, would like getting stuck Freak— would freak you out. I reckon that'd be fucking bad. The whole nude— the nude thing, fucking getting, uh— wonder how many of these sorts of establishments have had like camera scandals and shit like that, right? Like, always thought about that where it's like, um, yeah, fuck.

Tommy: Like, you know, there's a Netflix series, can't remember the name of it, but it's a true storey and it's And it's about this guy who had a bit of money and he bought a hotel, like one of those motel things on the side of the road that you see.

Josh: Like the one on the Eastlink?

Tommy: Like a Best Western, you know, more if you were travelling through.

Josh: If you're in Melbourne, that's a fucking funny joke because that was like a, it was like a $1.3 million art installation.

Tommy: It's not even real.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so anyway, he bought a hotel. And he set up this like roof system where he could like slide around the— up in the roof. Fuck. No one could hear him, but he could look into the bedrooms. And, um, he would watch— what's that like, um, the name of the series? Voyeurism. It's called voyeurism because it is like, uh, you're getting off over other people's experiences.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so this fucking creepy cunt has bought a hotel and has Basically, he's got an on-tap peep show.

Josh: If you've got money and you're slightly creepy, it's a fucking dangerous combo, right?

Tommy: What's that? You put me onto this, that series.

Josh: I didn't put you on to shit.

Tommy: What, you let me look through the hole in your room? Oh, the fucking TV series, um, not, uh, documentary about that weird motherfucker Um, oh, fucking, um, the HBO doco. Uh, oh, what's his name? He's so creepy. It's kind of like a serial-esque—

Josh: yeah, um, Durst.

Tommy: Robert Durst.

Josh: But what the fuck is the name?

Tommy: I don't know.

Josh: You told me about it and I watched it.

Tommy: Really great. And he's a rich dude who ends up just like killing— it's a movie. He kills people and then Fuck, covers it up with his money and goes away and he's living in a tent wearing a wig.

Josh: That's going to annoy the absolute fuck out of me if I don't know what that's called.

Tommy: It's called like— Mate, you've got a phone on your wrist and your hand.

Josh: It's not very good for input stuff, but it was like, it was—

Tommy: Just look it up.

Josh: Okay, I am going to look it up, but what are we going to do? South Star. Robert Durst.

Tommy: Just try that, it'll come up.

Josh: Durst.

Tommy: It's one of the best series, like explorational crime series, true crime series that I've ever seen. Filmmaking is so epic as far as like the storey development. It's better than making a murderer. The Jinx, J-I-N-X.

Josh: So I, uh, here's a, here's a bit of a, um, uh, name drop. The, the way that I found out about The Jinx, I was in South by Southwest a few years ago And I was hanging out with Rainn Wilson, who is Dwight from The Office, and I was in his hotel room and we'd just been like fucking—

Tommy: Were you in it or were you looking through a hole from the other room?

Josh: I was sliding on a roof.

Tommy: No.

Josh: And we'd just played basketball and been in the spa, just as you do. And we had come back— Is that a joke or you actually been playing basketball? We'd been playing basketball online.

Tommy: But you don't play sport.

Josh: I know, but I gave it a real hot go. He fucking whipped me. But anyway, so we're in his hotel room and he's gone to take a dump and he comes out. He's got his phone in his hand and he's like, "Oh, you are bleeding." Like he's like, it's a real intense sort of vibe. I straight away thought there must have been a terrorist attack or something. It was that like 9/11 moment. Type of thing. And he said, Robert Durst has just been arrested. And so, I was like, so we don't know what's going on. And then he's like, have you not seen The Jinx? And then he went through and told us the whole thing. But interestingly, so, spoilers, tiny, tiny spoiler alert, Robert Durst gets arrested. The thing is, the documentary filmmakers released the video first. So he was actually arrested after the documentary went to air, revealing this crazy fucking evidence.

Tommy: Fuck, they— it's like the perfect storm that they got for that. It was timing. It was just like, oh, it's so creepy. Yeah, you don't want to spoil it. You have to watch it. The Jinx.

Josh: Yeah, I really, uh, really enjoyed it.

Tommy: Sydney, I thought you're gonna say something about using your phone in the dunny. You're gonna be like, you're a sick fuck.

Josh: You do that, you would.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm not saying I'm judging him. I thought you might have judged him.

Josh: No, no, no, no. I think everyone— I think that's very common.

Tommy: How did you know he was going for a dump?

Josh: Oh, he was— it was either that or a wank. I don't think he was going for a— like, it's— I think it's a sort of a weird time to have a wank, isn't it?

Tommy: What's he— what's Rainn Wilson like?

Josh: Uh, the way that you said it, it sounded like you said his name wrong.

Tommy: I don't know, like, I know who he is. I've never watched The American Office. I've watched all of the OG Office.

Josh: He's funny.

Tommy: I know who he is.

Josh: Funny, fucking quirky. Yeah. He's very sort of spiritual. So, the way that I connected with him is my mate Naysan is friends with him and they're connected through the whole Baha'i community, which I mentioned.

Tommy: You butchered the explanation of what Baha'i is.

Josh: I think it was pretty fucking accurate. But no, really, really nice guy. He created a YouTube channel/media company called SoulPancake, which he sold like a year and a half ago or something.

Tommy: Were you impressed by meeting him? Because he's quite famous as far as—

Josh: Yeah, I mean, fuck, being in Austin, Texas, him going— like, we went to a premiere of his film, one of his films with him. Uh, yeah, he felt like a little bit of a rock star. Oh, I felt like entourage, massive entourage. There is something like, it's literally We went to his hotel because he didn't— He was just like, if I go fucking outside, I'll just get like hounded.

Tommy: Really?

Josh: So, it's a pretty—

Tommy: And he's not even that rockstar-esque.

Josh: No, it's just like Dwight from The Office. But the thing is he's got a really strong following. An interesting thing about what kept The Office alive, the US Office. The US Office was fucking doomed, right? Really? Yeah, nearly— Got the flick from like the early season. And what happened was a little known company called Apple released the iPod video and they decided to, with every single new iPod, they put on The Office, the Christmas edition, I think it was. It was as like a— the video that people could watch on the iPod video if they bought it around Christmas time. So, imagine all these rich kids and shit buying iPod videos, they all were exposed to this content. And so, that was actually the turning point and they got signed on for a bunch more. Yeah.

Tommy: Fuck. You know, U2 did that.

Josh: Well, nothing— Yeah. Well, U2 did it. Yeah. I mean, that was a big clusterfuck because they downloaded it basically onto everyone's phone.

Tommy: I had U2 on my thing. I was like, what the fuck?

Josh: It's like I've got, I don't really use iTunes. Obviously I'm using things like Spotify. And the annoying thing is my fucking USB on my car defaults to, when you plug it in, it defaults to playing the iTunes playlist.

Tommy: Yeah, it does it to me too.

Josh: So, it's just the same, like the song Acapella. I don't know. Anyway, it's this song, Acapella, by who? Do we know that song? Um, let me fucking find it. Actually, we won't play it because it's copyrighted. But anyway, the, um, it comes on every time and it's always at the most like annoying time that it plays.

Tommy: So anyway, there's something like being around famous people. It's like there is a bit of an excitement and I, and I don't, I don't think I have it the level of like fangirl fanboy style, which it just totally rips people apart. But like, having been around, like, meeting famous people, you definitely— there's fucking some energy they've created around them.

Josh: Yeah, there's definitely different levels of that type of thing. And, um, yeah, you definitely— you notice that, um, they're all also heightened, right? They're thinking about things that you wouldn't be thinking about.

Tommy: Probably thinking about what other people are thinking constantly. And not— I know that sounds silly, but because everyone does that, but they're thinking like it probably comes into like, oh my God, these other people gonna know who I am and they're gonna—

Josh: I guess you just all— I guess the non-fuckhead thing to do is just assume that no one knows you.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Which is almost like its own arrogant play. It's like Tom Cruise being like, hi, I'm Tom. It's like, fuck off, you arrogant cunt. We know who you are. You can never win.

Tommy: You can't get really famous and you can't win.

Josh: Well, that's like, it's also, I reckon there's that. I reckon not that many people win from being famous. Like, I think it's fucking harder than it is. Um, like, I guess it gives you a little bit of value, right? Like, you get free shit.

Tommy: Um, so I didn't tell you this before. Charlie and James, who are probably listening to this podcast.

Josh: Hi guys.

Tommy: The big fans.

Josh: Thanks, Charlie, for the review. We got a review on iTunes.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, thank you for that. So, this is my best mate and his brother, and they were laughing so hard because they think you're like an old Macaulay Culkin, but the young version. So, like, you're like Macaulay Culkin from Home Alone.

Josh: I was like, I was probably like that. But probably Macaulay Culkin's like fat cousin that no one liked. You were Biff.

Tommy: You know what? Was it—

Josh: Do you know what? This is the thing. Actually, I can't remember Home Alone, Home Alone. But if I was a kid and it was me, my version of Home Alone, it would be literally me at the pantry. They found him dead. He ate everything.

Tommy: In Home Alone, there's a scene where they— Where he gets like 70 scoops of ice cream.

Josh: Oh, really? That's a thing already? So, I don't fucking—

Tommy: Yeah, you're not a movie— That's the thing that surprised me so much about you is you're not a movie guy.

Josh: I just don't retain shit. So, I mean, the amazing thing is I can watch movies over and over again. I saw The Holiday 4 times at the cinemas.

Tommy: Don't even know what The Holiday is.

Josh: It's a fucking great film. It's the Jack Black one. It's the one where they, um, I don't know the other actor's name, maybe Hugh Grant.

Tommy: I don't know.

Josh: A British guy. Anyway, he's— And there's, um, a British woman and there's Cameron Diaz. Yeah, it's fucking great. And Jack Black plays like a fucking composer. That's the fucking— every— like, when I'm trying to chill at home, I play the Holiday soundtrack.

Tommy: Okay, I don't watch— I struggle to watch movies twice. It's like I just—

Josh: I know if you know what's gonna happen, but you know my view on shit. Like, I don't have that much patience for fiction, like fake shit. I only like non-fiction, preferably.

Tommy: You like short form, though. It's like YouTube on TV now. It's so perfect for people with short attention spans like you.

Josh: I only like YouTube because it's real.

Tommy: And you can get lots of little stuff constantly.

Josh: But no, my favourite stuff is doco. Like, I would love if Louis Theroux was fucking pumping out a doco a week, I'd be watching.

Tommy: Why is he not?

Josh: I don't know, I guess like shit takes time.

Tommy: Oh shit, he would have been a good one to try and get on the podcast. Yeah, but were you trying to get Seth Godin? I saw him like live, I went to the, um, and you said it was pretty underwhelming.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't have said that on the podcast. No, I guess it's fine.

Tommy: Yeah, but you said that everything he was saying is kind of what you've already heard, but you're like a mass consumer, so If you're a fan of somebody, it's like they've only got 10 tricks and you've seen all those 10 tricks constantly.

Josh: Well, I will consume all the— I'll do a big YouTube search and just watch all of their shit. What do you think about consuming versus creating? How does it sit with you?

Tommy: You're in a consuming pattern at the moment.

Josh: A little bit, yeah. Is it based on like what I've eaten today?

Tommy: No. Well, so what the thinking is I think it works if you're not, if you're not a creator. Yeah, consuming versus creating. It's like the— I think the biggest thing for creators is that you get stuck in these fucking ruts of not creating, and I think you're going all these cycles.

Josh: I think, I think this is cyclical, the word for cycle. I don't know, I've never— this is something that's embarrassing. I know that you always say that I'm a good writer and stuff, and I'd like to think I am. Fucking adjectives and all that shit, I haven't really invested my time into really like being able to on the fly.

Tommy: Just own it, mate. Cyclical. Go for it.

Josh: Yeah, so I think it's cyclical. Is that good? Yeah, yeah. And so what I mean by that is I think that these things happen in cycles, which is cyclical. And, and what I know, I think that You go through stages of mass consumption and then creation. And I think that, um, some people never get off the consumption route. Maybe to use an analogy you would be very familiar with, maybe it is like calories and it is about in and out. And sometimes you can be consuming too much and not putting enough out, and then you have an issue where you become a fat cunt.

Tommy: Or what's the outcome if you're consuming too much content?

Josh: If you're consuming too much content—

Tommy: Like you said, a fat cunt.

Josh: Well, yeah, so the mental version would be what if you're not creating enough, you become a fucking consumer. Yeah. And like that versus using consuming as a way of Um, well, I think you become—

Tommy: it's almost— if you're not a creator, this probably doesn't apply to you, I don't think. If you like, your dream is not to be a video person or a podcast—

Josh: Tommy's wired this way, guys.

Tommy: But I'm saying, fuck, I've lost what I was saying. Uh, does it matter?

Josh: Hang on, did I trigger you?

Tommy: You fucking annoyed me then because you tried— you just— that was annoying because I was about to say something and you interrupted and said some smart-ass thing and And now I'm on a rant. This feels pretty good. No, but what does it say? Doesn't matter about not doing— oh, okay, but The Matrix, it's like you're kind of plugged in. You're just— everything's coming at you, consuming that, consuming that. Get home, watch Simpsons.

Josh: Are you mentioning The Matrix again though?

Tommy: Yeah, you fucking got no idea of The Matrix. It's the most disappointing thing. Campton's disappointed in you, James and Charlie. You, you were from an era where The Matrix was huge, and you never watched it.

Josh: No.

Tommy: And so the concept was so crazy then because it's like we are all basically in a VR world, or like—

Josh: yeah, can you explain? Let's hear how well Tommy does of explaining to me the plot.

Tommy: I know how to explain to you perfectly because you know how Elon Musk says that we could be in a simulation. Simulation. Yeah, The Matrix is a simulation. So, there is a world outside the simulation that is Earth. So, but it's like gone further in the future and it's sort of fallen apart and robots have taken over. And so, it's basically like artificial intelligence. These robots have plugged in all these humans in these pods and their minds are in this artificial world.

Josh: It's fucking scary. It's fucking scary. I get this weird feeling just now.

Tommy: What I, what I've thought about Elon Musk and watching The Matrix and thinking about this a lot is like there's a fucking— the robots have this alarm that goes off when there's people in the world that are getting pretty close to talking about this shit, right? Like you and I. No, but I'm saying imagine it's like, all right, we got to— we got a couple of idiots in the abyss talk— the Ibis talking about the fuck. They're on to us.

Josh: When you say abyss, are you joking?

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: Is it called the Abyss? Like, are we getting it wrong? It's Ibis.

Tommy: Okay, anyway, thanks for jumping in.

Josh: Fucking— no, that's fine. I, um—

Tommy: but it's— it is scary, dude, when you fucking start looking at the world in this way. It could ruin you. It could ruin you.

Josh: People are fucking weird too. That's another thing. All right, guys, it's a daily talk show live from Sydney that's recorded, and then given to you in this podcast.

Tommy: Hey, but thank you for, um, consuming.

Josh: Yeah, we appreciate this podcast. Just to finalize, I don't think that you're a fat cunt just because you listen to our show.

Tommy: Not at all. Or that you're in the matrix. But if you want to create and you're feeling a bit like fucking yuck because you're not creating, like, I'm not—

Josh: can I— no, no, no, I know what you're gonna say. You're gonna fucking steal a Gary Vee line.

Tommy: No.

Josh: And you're like, you know what, I don't think you should listen to us anymore.

Tommy: Maybe just create. No, fuck that. I want you to keep listening. Subscribe. Thedailytalkshow.com. Our YouTube channels, Tommy Jackett, Josh Janson.

Josh: Thanks for that.

Tommy: P.O.

Josh: Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067. Yet to get anything, even though—

Tommy: well, we haven't been in Melbourne for a couple of days.

Josh: Yeah, I've— I'll get Bree to check.

Tommy: I was going to say, just start a podcast for me, and doing this every day, even though some days don't feel that great, it makes you feel a bit more sane. Yeah, I think that's what creating over consuming can do. It's a bit cathartic.

Josh: It's yin and yang.

Tommy: Yeah. And so, yin or yin? Do something, get out, make a video, take a photo. I don't know, just get creative. It's, it, it is kind of cool. Works for me, might not work for you.

Josh: Just very quickly before we go, yeah, is posting on Instagram, is doing that stuff, is that a distraction or is that, is that creation?

Tommy: Well, it's putting it out so you could create. And I think it's like Seth Godin says about shipping. It's like it doesn't really have its full cycle until it's sent out to the world for people to look at it or whatever. And it doesn't mean get into the headspace of looking at what everyone's saying about it, but it's like it is a different thing from creating in your bedroom and then deleting it to creating your bedroom and putting it out to the world.

Josh: I think it's I also think, to use an exercise analogy again.

Tommy: All right, fitness dude.

Josh: Thank you. I think that, I don't think that just doing Instagram is necessarily the right thing. And I think that a comparison would be weightlifting, right? So, you can do these big, you can do like short, like small amount of reps, heavy weights.

Tommy: Fuck, I hate you talking about gym analogies.

Josh: And then, And it's like, and it's like, um, that's like Instagram, right? So it's a quick thing, it's like a quick, it's a quick bit of muscle, uh, and it's a short, it's shorter, it's sort of a smaller type of thing. But what, and that will get you results and that might make you feel like progress, but if you do more reps, you know, so longer form content, more YouTube type of stuff, there's been 40 just people stopping the episode about 30 seconds ago when you started on a metaphor. You just say the exact same thing as what I was just fucking saying. But was that wrong, what I was saying?

Tommy: I get it, I get it.

Josh: But it's like, Campton knows what's up with lifting, and I think that he's been on the Instagram.

Tommy: You're talking about weight training.

Josh: You've never done it. And you're a fuckhead. What did I do the other day at your gym?

Tommy: Yeah, with me once. I've trained 20 times since then. Get back into the gym. All right, this—

Josh: where did that fucking happen? I don't know.

Tommy: This episode's gone off the fucking rickshaw.

Josh: All right, guys, I love you.

Tommy: We'll catch you tomorrow.

Josh: See ya. Bye-bye.