Our first interstate show

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show and it is Monday and it's episode 25.

Tommy: Yeah, we're in Sydney, quarter of a half of a century.

Josh: It's, um, it's exciting.

Tommy: Yeah, we are in Sydney.

Josh: We're, uh, in a fucking Singapore number calling, you know, when the, um, all these scams that have been happening.

Tommy: I got a weird one, let me just have a quick look. It was like New Guinea.

Josh: It was the—

Tommy: oh, Guinea. G-U-I-N-E-A. Is that New Guinea? Part of Guinea?

Josh: Different, I think.

Tommy: Anyway, it's a random number.

Josh: Yeah, well, I just had my watch vibrating. I've missed a call from +65 6876 7912.

Tommy: Do they get anyone? Scammers?

Josh: Yeah, of course they would.

Tommy: I, um, it's a numbers game, right?

Josh: They're just going hard and they've been going really hard. This scam seems to be pretty prevalent.

Tommy: It's definitely— I think I would have done that on radio. Have you been scammed? Do you know anyone who's been scammed?

Josh: Nah, other than my pill story.

Tommy: Yeah, but I mean, that's like you were just buying a product. I mean, like totally fleeced of cash.

Josh: Like, I don't have any cash to be fleeced. Nah, no, I don't think, um, just buying shit that I don't need.

Tommy: Maybe poor old people. Yeah, that's who they prey on. Yeah, it's just like can you open up, um, Windows? Oh, who was it? Was that you? No, it was Kel, my mate Kel Wolf, who I lived with in Shepparton. Yeah, he, um, fucking pulled the wool over these dickheads' eyes that called him, and they were like, oh sir, can you please— we're calling from Telstra— can you please open up your browser because we need to access it to help you fix your internet? And he knew exactly what was going on. And he led them on for ages. And he, and he was saying, so have you opened the browser? And he says, yeah, yeah, can you type in this address? Okay, have you typed it in? Yeah, I've typed it in. Uh, I can't see anything. What's— and, and they're saying, because they obviously can see as soon as you access it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And they kept on going, oh, have you done it? Yeah, I'm here. What do you mean? There's nothing here. And then they got their bloody supervisor Anyway, they end up working out that he was fucking with them and they said, fuck you, and hung up.

Josh: Wow. Uh, yeah, I used to love fucking around with the telemarketers, seeing how long I could.

Tommy: Do you hang up on them? My wife, and I saw her do it last week, she answered and they said hello and then she hung up. And she was always really like, oh, it's a bit offensive, because I would just like Answer, hear them, hang up. Or I'd say, "Sorry, not interested," and hang up.

Josh: I think that's fine. It's annoying when they try and pretend like they're not that, like they're not doing sales calls. But, Tommy, this is our very first interstate episode.

Tommy: Oh, yeah. It's on the road, baby.

Josh: This is exciting.

Tommy: We're in the abyss, Ibis.

Josh: Ibis Darling Harbour.

Tommy: That's not a plug for Ibis Darling Harbour.

Josh: It's a— We've got a 2-bedroom apartment. 2-bed setup. Yeah. And I joke that it's like I was saying to my client, we're up here filming something and we just got Tommy on board for a day. I didn't even tell the client. And just before we were getting to the hotel, I said, now look, I've got Tommy helping out on day 1 and just explain that it wasn't like the movie Battle of the Sexes where She has her hairdresser following around.

Tommy: Can I just tell you the most awkward story, right? Because if I knew that you'd only just told her, then I probably would have felt a bit awkward, but it's a— I got through it and I just— because she was— the girl was very jokey with it.

Josh: Oh yeah, sure.

Tommy: I felt like it was like you got— no, I felt rapport that the joke was there. So I was like, oh, the hairdresser. And I was like, you'd obviously talked.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I tried a while ago, but I flew up to Sydney. This was when I was 19, 18. Flew up to Sydney with a mate and we were going to stay. He said, my mate's got this amazing place in Double Bay. Fuck, it's like fucking $9 million house on the water. He's got a boat that, you know, on a private jetty will go out. You know, he's invited us up. Sweet. Got there. He hadn't told the dude, fuck, that his mate was coming along.

Josh: That used to happen to me as a kid all the time with our pool. Like, people would just fucking rock up and they'd have 3 other mates who I didn't even know.

Tommy: That's a classic pool thing to do.

Josh: I fucking hate that. And they don't even bring towels and shit. That would piss Mum off.

Tommy: Your Mum would have hated that.

Josh: Mum wouldn't. Mum has a pool now and still does a bit of the fucking Towel chat. It's like, oh, we'll just bring your towels.

Tommy: Oh, it's— oh, I felt so awkward in that situation. I was like— and I was young and I didn't feel confident enough to say, whoa, hang on guys, did you not know I was coming? You know, it's like, yeah, so you feel like now I'd speak up.

Josh: And what did you do in the moment? Just fucking like acted like a dickhead?

Tommy: Like, you probably knew there was a chance of going out in Sydney Harbour on a private yacht, so I fucking hung in there and got the yacht ride.

Josh: And what was the vibe like?

Tommy: He was really nice, really lovely. We all went out for dinners and it was It was great.

Josh: Can you remember the— when did you find out?

Tommy: Front door.

Josh: No. So, you've gone on a flight.

Tommy: All the way there, got to the front door of this dude's house.

Josh: What was your— what's your mate's deal?

Tommy: Loose cannon.

Josh: Fucking hell. That stuff is not ideal, is it?

Tommy: It's gross. All right, there's something I want to bring up.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You know who Raymar is?

Josh: Uh, Ray Ma, yeah, he's the— is he the, the flaming dude? Yeah, yeah. Are you gonna bring up his new chilli sauce?

Tommy: Okay, yes, I'm gonna bring up Ray Ma, otherwise known as Alf Stewart from Home and Away. If you grew up in Australia and you're sort of between the ages of 23 up, you know about fucking Home and Away and Ray Ma.

Josh: Fucking— I like— what's his— what's his— Alf Stewart.

Tommy: Alf Stewart. He was like a Just a lunatic.

Josh: Flamin' Crows.

Tommy: He owned the, um, what did he own, the fucking fishing shop or something?

Josh: Yeah, something like that.

Tommy: Tackle shop. And he was mad. Or the diner, some bullshit.

Josh: Big Watcher.

Tommy: Never turned a profit but somehow kept running. Um, anyway, he was a real hothead, right? If you haven't watched it, I'm sure you have. Anyway, he's got a new hot sauce. And so I just saw the Instagram, it must have been a sponsored post, and I I clicked onto it and I was like, get the fuck out of here. Ray Maher's got his own hot sauce and it's called Flamin'.

Josh: It's taken him so long to do this. I wonder if Home and Away want to do this.

Tommy: Oh, you don't know. So this is going somewhere.

Josh: Oh, great.

Tommy: So this, like, you know me, I fucking start getting into all this shit. I investigate, like you. I'm becoming a bit more like you in terms of like, so I was impressed at start thinking, fuck, is this a good idea, dude? Starting a product using Flamin', the Home and Away branded.

Josh: It's very clever. So, that was the first thing I thought was, I wonder, like, because it's his character, right? Yeah. And so, I was wondering, do they have like trademark use?

Tommy: I hadn't thought about that. That's a good way to go down. So, I've just seen on their Instagram, on— it's called @raysflaminhotsauce. They've had 14 posts, almost at 4K followers. And this is the description: Ray Mars, Flamin' Hot Sauce public figure. And it's got a whole bunch of little chillies. Reckon you can handle the flamin' heat? Question mark. Grab a bottle of my limited edition hot sauce. #RaysFlaminHotSauce. And then it has the website address, raysflaminhotsauce.com.au.

Josh: Okay. Yeah.

Tommy: Never clicked on it. Just kept seeing the posts come in. It's like one of them's like, it's coming. There's a video, like, listen to him.

Unknown: Guess what I've called my new hot chilli sauce? Here's a tip, it's not Chili McChill Face.

Josh: I did, I watched this video and he's dancing in it and shit. He's like full sellout. It's so daggy.

Tommy: Fucking full sellout. Wait for the punchline.

Josh: Okay, I'm waiting.

Tommy: Just saw his last fucking post. Listen to this. Hang on, hang on. And it's just shit.

Unknown: Small businesses don't have a website. To prove how easy it is, I've started Ray'sFlaminHotSauce.com.au. I'm not the most tech savvy bloke. Ah, but with GoDaddy, building a website's really simple.

Josh: Fuck off.

Unknown: Now my hot sauce is selling like hotcakes. So come on, Australia, time to get yourself a website with GoDaddy and get you—

Josh: it's a fucking GoDaddy— it's a whole— it's a whole GoDaddy campaign.

Tommy: It's a fucking GoDaddy piece of content.

Josh: Good on him.

Tommy: I, I went on to raise flaming hot sauce as soon as I saw that. I was so pissed off.

Josh: Can you still buy the hot sauce? They look—

Tommy: I've just clicked onto the website, takes you to GoDaddy's website. So it's not even routed to his website. And so you just look on that. I literally just— and I only just before doing this clicked onto this and actually had a thorough look because I jumped on, I was so pissed off that I've been taken to GoDaddy.

Josh: Yeah, from this fucking clever fucking marketing.

Tommy: Clever move, but it's not fucking honest.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And we talk about this around honest content and how, like, the only reason I'm talking about this and I'm annoyed about this is because I feel like I was led on for this funny idea.

Josh: I think you should be annoyed at is fucking Ray or whatever his name is.

Tommy: Raymar.

Josh: Raymar.

Tommy: Because he sold out. He did sell out.

Josh: He— Ray's like, he's the one that's fucking, uh, said it was okay. Yeah.

Tommy: And so I did click onto it. Now you can— and it's all about try website builder for free, build a website in under an hour, it's flaming easy, you don't have to be a tech savvy to build a website with GoDaddy. It's Flamin' Easy.

Josh: So it's all about like them localising this type of content. I think it's very clever.

Tommy: Actor and entrepreneur Ray Maher has turned his famous catchphrase into the best Flamin' Hot sauce around, and he couldn't believe that 60% of Aussie small businesses don't have a website, so he got a hot site of his own.

Josh: And now you're fucking just plugging him. This is our first sponsored— are you actually sponsored by Gay Daddy?

Unknown: This is the inception.

Josh: If I was a sponsor, The— I was saying to Tommy, I think our first sponsor I want to be is either Woolworths or Coles. And all I want them to sponsor us with is like a contra deal where they give us fizzy water. Yeah. Because it's like, what, 75 cents each or whatever. If we could have like 2 bottles per ep.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: We'll be burping a lot.

Tommy: Yeah, I love fizzy water.

Josh: And you drink all of it and Bree always picks you up on it.

Tommy: So I can— look, you're going off track. Buy a bottle. So you can actually click on a button on the— on this shitty website that they take you to, and it takes you to another website that actually is Ray's Flamin' Hot Sauce, and you can buy a bottle. They're $12.

Josh: We get it.

Tommy: And you get it. But no, I like it. Is it detrimental to do a marketing campaign? And I know you're not, um, Will Anderson from Gruen Transfer to give us a fucking insight.

Josh: I mean, Will was more just the, uh, the host. Yeah, but you're a host. I'm more like your Russell Hargrove or whatever.

Tommy: You are a bit Russell Hargrove, but I like your insight into this.

Josh: Todd Sampson.

Tommy: I'll take Todd Sampson because I feel like you, you get a bit hurt by some of these dumb marketing campaigns.

Josh: No, I think, um Uh, what do I think?

Tommy: Well, we spend most of our day during the week thinking about how to approach, um, marketing from a, from a content perspective, a video creation perspective with our own businesses.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so this campaign was so— would have been sold in from the creative director or agency that's like, you know, this is a great— like, I think it's a great idea, him doing the product.

Josh: Yeah..

Tommy: But then it just, I think, misses the beat when they attach website building GoDaddy to it, that it just had a bit too much impact with the idea of the Flaming Hot Sauce to then kick you in the dick when you go through and you feel just conned.

Josh: Well, I, I think you just have to also look at the DNA of businesses. GoDaddy specifically are known for smutty Advertising.

Tommy: What's up with those?

Josh: So, they are the sort of the booth girls of TVCs. So, for instance, their Super Bowl commercials would have women in bikinis and things like that.

Tommy: So, like the Dodo internet ads of—

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Are those Dodo internet?

Josh: Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: Remember the girls running through?

Josh: Oh, I do remember now.

Tommy: I know the girl, Kylie. What's up, Kylie, if you're listening? She was one of the Dodo girls 10 years ago.

Josh: That's cool. The— Do you know what my— One of my favourite, if we can talk nostalgia alert, I haven't done that in a while. The ad that I think of a bit, which is sort of had that cut through was, do you remember Virgin Mobile's ad? No. What was it? Wiggedy wiggedy warrenator. Remember it was the guy— He was sort of— No, you don't remember that? If you remember, can you please reach out to us? Via what? Via @thedailytalkshow.com. Talking about people that we know and talking about Home and Away. Yeah. I got a FaceTime from Isa, an old friend of mine who—

Tommy: From Barrack days where you grew up?

Josh: No. So, from— We did a filmmaking course together in 2004. At Open Channel, which is like Independent Filmmakers Victoria.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And we both had each other on MSN afterwards and would stay in contact. And then we did a VCA course in 2006 together called Teen Flicks. And she ended up going on to being a big Home and Away star. She's on Home and Away. And she FaceTimed me the other day. And it was—

Tommy: She was with fucking Ray Ma. I'm pissed off.

Josh: No, so I— It has been Since I had seen her, it would have been probably 2006.

Tommy: Mistake FaceTime.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It was?

Josh: Would you answer if you got a FaceTime from someone you hadn't seen in, what, like 12 years?

Tommy: I don't know. I actually couldn't give you a straight answer because it's one of the things sometimes, like, if I was feeling a bit off, And I'd just be like, that's weird. But sometimes I'd be like, take a breath and just like, what's this gonna be?

Josh: Yeah. Well, I thought that because initially I was like, you know what, maybe given she's in the entertainment industry and I've got a bunch of friends who are in similar circles, I'm like, maybe she's in a room with one of them and they've just connected that they know.

Tommy: Yeah, that's what I'd probably think.

Josh: Yeah. And it's like, oh, they're doing a big FaceTime. So, I was going to answer, but I, the moment I was like, you know what, I'm not going to. So, I sent her a text and said, "Hey, sorry I missed your FaceTime. I was just wanting to know if it was a butt dial or if you wanted to chat." Did you actually say that? Yeah, something like that. I can find the exact— Did you want me to find the exact— I can't remember.

Tommy: It sounds a very Josh Gaffin message.

Josh: It was something like that. But the—

Tommy: Business at the front.

Josh: Yeah, no, I'm actually going to bring it up. So, I did get a response from her. Yeah. And it was, here we go, Isabelle G...

Tommy: So, what's her name, Isabelle?

Josh: Isabella. Isabella. Isabella. I called her Isa. Isabella Giovinazzo. Yeah, you can look her up. Anyway, so this is why I wrote to her. I said, Isa. 'Was this a FaceTime butt dial or just a random FaceTime hangout for a Saturday?

Tommy: Either way, hope you're doing great.' Fuck, that was way worse than what you told us.

Josh: Really? Why?

Tommy: I feel like I've been conned again with what you have.

Josh: What's— why is that worse?

Tommy: There was so much in it. For what you told us was like brief, 'Oh, I messaged back like, hey, was that a butt dial?' Okay, yeah, so I put a bit more energy into it.

Josh: She wrote back 4 hours later, 'So great, how are you? What's going on?' man. New message from her. Look, you know what, I was trying to— so sorry, fucked up. Look, you know what, I was trying to contact another Josh, but glad I called you. Hope you're well. Tell me, where are you? Where are you at these days? And I went on to say, I'm in Abbotsford, blah blah blah going on. What about you? And then didn't hear anything, uh, but, um, Yeah, it just, uh, when you were talking about Home and Away, you, uh, it triggered this memory that happened to me last month.

Tommy: Dude, I know her too.

Josh: Well, clearly not as well.

Tommy: No, so I've hung out with her because she was married to that dude Ford, one of my best mates.

Josh: Oh, fuck off. His brother. Oh.

Tommy: Charlie Ford.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Ah, okay. I went to school, high school with Charlie.

Josh: Oh, fuck.

Tommy: And so I don't—

Josh: They're no longer together, I don't think.

Tommy: No, they're not longer together, but yeah, um, it has been revealed that Isabella married her filmmaker boyfriend Charlie Ford in Melbourne earlier this year, just after—

Josh: Have you caught up with Charlie, given he does filmmaking stuff?

Tommy: I don't know if he's back in Melbourne. He was living in Sydney. Okay.

Josh: And yeah, we're in Sydney now.

Tommy: We were, we were mates in high school and shit, and because I was best mates with Ford, his bro. We'd hang out and stuff. But yeah, that's crazy. I was just looking at some videos that Charlie put up today. Fucking small world, dude.

Josh: It is that funny thing of like, it's a small world. I guess that home in a way, Summer Bay is a small place.

Tommy: Yeah, I went to her— I went, um, to with her and Charlie.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I— it was like I was pissed when I met her and fucking we went to a house party with with all these Home and Away.

Josh: Were you invited?

Tommy: I was a plus one of Ford.

Josh: Fucking hell. But it wasn't Ford that took you on the boat with these rich mates?

Tommy: No, no, it was not Ford. He wouldn't do something as dog as that. We'd both crash some boat party together. That's what we would have done as kids. But yeah, we went to a Home and Away party with all these Home and Away goons.

Josh: Oh, that's fun. You knew of them?

Tommy: None of them, because it was like, I watched Home and Away as a kid.

Josh: And, uh, Johnny Ruffo's on Home and Away. That's very sad.

Tommy: I don't think he's in it anymore.

Josh: Well, that's— did you hear what happened with him with the brain cancer and stuff? Yeah, the Instagram. What a fucked up thing to happen.

Tommy: Oh, poor guy.

Josh: Just all of a sudden, one day, have your fucking skull open. Do you ever worry about big shit like that? Do you ever get a migraine and be like, maybe it's something fucking bad?

Tommy: It's like Google— don't be a Google doctor. But then there's like times where, uh, you do end up looking and finding stuff out.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And going to the doctor and it's like, it's this.

Josh: I always had this fear, like I would feel my neck and I'd like, it feel like a little lump and freak out. I think it's like my fucking— I think everyone has it.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: You've got like a gland or something.

Tommy: But no, I definitely have at times, but it's fuck, it's a, it's a hard world to live in if you just constantly think about that. But you definitely— we're talking about this earlier. We definitely— I definitely now having a kid and married, think about the— I think about losing, like if I go, what then? It's like I feel the pain of my partner, right?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And the thought of Bodhi not growing up with me is fucking— makes me feel like I want to cry right now, but it's like so full on, right? And it's like, I was not like that before at all. I wasn't emotional like that, but it's like what it does to you is full on.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's fucked up.

Josh: It's— It feels like with everything that's happening in the world, it is very easy to go in those places. And just thinking about, like I was thinking about, I haven't had— I've had the classic people die in my life, right? The people who have in all, in sort of, in all respects are meant to die. The grandparents. Yeah. Right. The older people. But I've never had— I haven't had my parents die. I have like— and just the thought of all of that just is very overwhelming.

Tommy: It's surreal, right?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I've had friends whose parents have passed away, and I can't imagine it. I can't imagine what it would be like.

Josh: It's—

Tommy: I don't think it's not reality until it's reality. Your reality. You— the thought of bad stuff happening is not like the feeling of bad stuff happening, even though like you might get close to the feeling. But it's like when someone thinks about— uh, you do in some ways because you don't—

Josh: I think that people have an ability to adapt. Yeah, but I think that the feeling is obviously one of complete overwhelm or not being able to cope.

Tommy: It's like grief. Have you ever felt it? I haven't. No, like severe grief.

Josh: And that's what it means, like, and even news. You look at news and stuff and you see people dying in car accidents when they're young. That's fucked up. Yeah.

Tommy: Oh man, it's full on. Um, I think this is taking a slightly different tone. I said this and this was— I said this to, um, Richard, you know, Richard from The Office. So like, oh yes, where I've got my office, there's a bunch of really close mates all around me with businesses. And so I went in and I said this statement, and Richard's response— I'll tell you the statement in a second— Richard's response was, fuck, dude, how many lives have you lived? And my— the statement was, dude, I was like, guys, let's have this fucking epiphany. The closer the closer you are to dying, to failure. And it's like, uh, let me— I don't even know if that's how I said it.

Josh: He—

Tommy: I'll explain it right.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: And I haven't told you this.

Josh: Okay. Yeah, you haven't.

Tommy: So I were— I, um, was going for the funding for, um, I've been working on, um, doing this TV show with ITV and my production company, something I've worked really hard on. It's like an original concept of mine, and it's a documentary series. That's just a brief background, but we were going for funding with Screen Australia.

Josh: And so you're going to tell me something about that? Yeah, because you've been— I've only forgot to tell you, and I've been in the fucking loop. I was like day dot fucking helping you with this.

Tommy: So I've been waiting to hear back. Did we get the funding?

Josh: And you—

Tommy: with Screen Australia.

Josh: And you got the, the latest thing was an exciting letter from— can we say this? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, ABC basically saying, hey, we can throw a bit of cash at this.

Tommy: It was like, this is no guarantee, it's a letter of interest.

Josh: It's basically saying, hey, we're interested if another organisation like Screen Oz will put some funds behind it, we could make it work.

Tommy: So, it's like fucking closer to success than ever, right? We didn't get the funding. Okay, so I haven't told you that.

Josh: I sort of semi— well, when you started telling me this story, I then reminded me that you started talking about crowdfunding earlier, and then it all came together because I did. It's so funny that in the moment I wasn't like, what about you big fucking dealio? So what did they say?

Tommy: That, man, Screen Australia don't give you much. They can't give you feedback at this time because they're going through so many ideas. That's what they say. I got this email.

Josh: So was ITV like, sorry man, it's all over? No, no, no, they're still going to keep on going.

Tommy: Well, look, they're looking at stuff. So the dudes I'm dealing with haven't been around, they're overseas.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Anyway, my thought around it was like, fuck, I've literally— the closer you get to having the success you're actually getting closer to failure than before. Because when you haven't started, you can't really be failing. You haven't really failed. Yeah, you haven't done shit.

Josh: Well, you've got nothing to lose until you build something.

Tommy: And so this has been like a 6, 7, 8 month process, and it's like I've been getting closer and closer and closer, and it's like the, this, the failure is getting closer and closer and closer, and there's no difference It's like it could just win or it might not, but it's like you're getting closer to knowing your fate, essentially. And so that was kind of what I was—

Josh: Yeah, if you think about it, right? If you think about doing a 400 meters, so you've got people who won't fight, won't feel that failure because they won't even get on the track and practice. Yeah, yeah. Versus the person who is at the Olympics and fucks themselves, you know.

Tommy: Yeah. And so I was in this really reflective mood after it. I was just fucking talking to the boys, told them about it.

Josh: What do you mean the boys? I am one of the boys.

Tommy: Yeah, you just weren't around.

Josh: When was it?

Tommy: Uh, last, last week, late last week.

Josh: It was late last week and we would have had a podcast.

Tommy: No, because I wanted to actually bring this up because I like talking to you about this kind of shit. It's like, and I, and I was just thinking about the success and it's like, it's such a fucking Like, of course, the closer you get, the guy with the big business, he could lose everything and he's losing more than everybody.

Josh: The billionaire, more money, more problems.

Tommy: But it's like, you can hear that, but it's like, I fucking felt that. And I was like, it made me feel a bit fucking scared.

Josh: Right.

Tommy: And I was like, more success I get, the more failure is just ready to rip my dick off.

Josh: Yeah. Fucking hell. How do you, uh, how do you mitigate these things, do you think?

Tommy: So prevent it from happening.

Josh: Yeah, I don't know if you can, or not prevent it, but how do you, how do you deal with it? How do you, uh, how do you deal with it emotionally?

Tommy: Yeah, get real deep, fucking Eckhart Tolle on this shit, start reflecting. But no, I did, I felt, I felt a bit shit, but then I, a couple of things, I was like, fuck, this is the being picked, waiting for someone to tell you the good news that you got the funding. Yeah, and I felt a bit like that, that I was like, oh fuck, it's like, couldn't I go out and do this my own? Like, I start fucking going down that rabbit hole of like, next option, next option, next option, what else, what else, what else? Which maybe it's not the right response.

Josh: Yeah, maybe it's not the thing you need to do right now. Yeah, Seth Godin, uh, he always talks about being picked, specifically in his book Poke the Box, but he He actually has a new podcast out.

Tommy: Oh, how is it? Akimbo?

Josh: Fucking awesome. Akimbo.

Tommy: I referred it to somebody with the recommendation from you to me. I passed it on to them. Dude, Seth Godin's got a new podcast out.

Josh: It's fucking great. Yeah, Akimbo. And he talks about, it's just like a monologue, him talking. It's almost like a free audiobook. It's great.

Tommy: That's sick.

Josh: And he talks about being picked. It's a very, very good—

Tommy: In akimbo?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And so, he's talking about what akimbo means? A-K-I-M-B-O.

Josh: Yeah, it's something around like being— He's being a fucking quirky cunt about it. He's like saying like, oh yeah, it's akimbo, it's weird. And I'm weird. I'm Seb.

Tommy: He knows who we'd be talking about.

Josh: Yeah, it's just fucking weird. It is true. It's such a weird unit. I would like to be him when he's when I'm older, like that sort of style.

Tommy: Seth Godin on our podcast.

Josh: Yeah, that would be fun.

Tommy: That's your mission.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: Yeah, that's your fucking mission.

Unknown: Yes.

Tommy: So back in, I can't remember what episode, maybe 10 ago, I set Josh— I set Josh— well, I said I'm going to set you a challenge and I'm going to think about who I want you to get on the podcast because you're a crafty motherfucker. You can— you find people's details and you've been sending— you sent Gary Vee who is one of the biggest entrepreneurs in the world today, an email 12 years ago.

Josh: Yeah, it was a while ago. Like, it wasn't— it was like fucking 8 years ago. He was a nobody then. Like, he had money, not as many people knew him. I mean, the thing is that all these things expand. It's super interesting, isn't it? How— so Seth Godin, I've been on email, I've emailed him a bunch and he's emailed me back. I was looking at— he's got a Pro-ride. Where does he live? He lives, um, Hudson— it's called like off the Hudson.

Tommy: Oh, in New York City?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Do you want to fly over? That could be our thing.

Josh: That could be fun. We'll just fly.

Tommy: We'll just—

Josh: so, do you know Quad Lock? Yeah, the, uh, my mates, uh, yeah, Robbie Ward and CP.

Tommy: If I had a radio show and I had the desk with all the sound effects loaded, I'd have the Quad Lock click in, ready to go.

Josh: They actually— here's another fun fact.

Tommy: Wait, stay on track.

Josh: What about— is this about the guys? This would have been 2012. They won a Shopify award, Shopify Small Business Award.

Tommy: Oh, sick.

Josh: And they were flown to New York City and they hung out with Seth Godin.

Tommy: That's cool.

Josh: So yeah, I wonder, I should chat to them and see what He was like, I tried to get—

Tommy: This is the thing, you're gathering intel.

Josh: To be clear, I tried to get Seth Godin on my podcast back in 2013 on my Josh Speaking podcast because I'd actually just quit the radio station and I sent him a message saying, hey, I actually quit my job while listening to your audiobook, The Icarus Deception, which is a great book. Yeah. But no, I think that's a good one.

Tommy: It's because it's a challenge, right?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I don't— He doesn't go on everyone's.

Josh: No, he's pretty—

Tommy: He charges a lot of money to do talks. But I think that's a really good one.

Josh: I think it is because it'd be very interesting.

Tommy: He'd be proud of this episode, I reckon.

Josh: Yeah, hopefully.

Tommy: Actually, he'd probably think we're a bunch of dicks.

Josh: Yeah, maybe. I mean, I did say he was a quirky cunt, didn't I? Which is probably— He is. He is. And I think he would be fucking awesome. Yeah, I mean, I'd be all for it. I'm just looking at all the emails that I've sent. Do you know, can I read you? This is gonna fucking embarrass me, but I'll do it anyway because, you know, I love an embarrassment.

Tommy: Yeah, you don't need to put on a voice because you are Josh Jensen, right?

Josh: So this was when I sent the email for him to be on my podcast. It was on the 6th of the 2nd, 2013.

Tommy: At what time?

Josh: Okay, good question.

Tommy: I mean, not that it matters because— 11 PM, which would have been like morning over in America, probably.

Josh: Yeah, probably.

Tommy: Did you think about that?

Josh: No.

Tommy: Anyway, go.

Josh: Seth, I didn't even say hey, Seth. See, fuck, I'm being real serious, motherfucker. Seth, your book— You'll love the subject line. No longer a cog in the machine.

Tommy: He talks a lot about being— Don't be a cog.

Josh: Seth, your book Icarus Deception gave me the confidence to no longer be the cog in the machine and gave me permission in my mind to quit my job and no longer be defined by my role in big media company in Australia. In a big media company. I'm not full numpty trash. I am in the US in June and July, travelling around LA, San Francisco, New York City. I have begun to ramp up my love project, Josh Speaking, a podcast where I interview interesting people to deconstruct their success. Keeping in mind, this fucking podcast is prior to Tim Ferriss's stuff. Deconstruct it. It's very fucking sick. Like, you think about what he talks about with his language. He's basically got the same sort of podcast as what I had, but fucking built it up.

Tommy: He also has written 3, 4 best-selling New York bestsellers.

Josh: Which I reckon, if you look at his books, was all about deconstructing people's success. So, I think I sort of like borrowed from his book thing. Anyway, I said, you know, I would love to interview you. I know you are extremely busy. However, I just thought I would ask the question. It would be 45 to 60 minutes at the location, time of your choice. I'm in New York City from June 23rd to July 2nd. Thanks for inspiring me. Seth's response: Thanks, Josh, and congratulations. I won't be able to do the interview, but I wish you the best. Seth Godin.

Tommy: It's good that you got a response.

Josh: And then so I went all needy and just—

Tommy: Oh, no.

Josh: I said, I'm ready the fucking response.

Tommy: Oh, no, no.

Josh: I just said, thanks so much for the response, Seth. I'm torn as I respect you a lot and don't want to be annoying, but is it a timing thing or just a blanket rule? I've interviewed some great people in Australia and would love the opportunity to interview you. Josh, sent from my lawyer.

Tommy: I know, I know.

Josh: Didn't get a response from that, but in saying that, many correspondents afterwards, um, with the lawyers about stuff. No, he was really nice. No, he was super nice. He, um, nah, that's all, that's all, uh, Yeah, it was, uh, and I actually—

Tommy: I think what you did with that email is you took his books and wrote an email to him that he thought he'd want to hear. Yeah, you thought he would want to hear based around his books, because a lot of that wording, cog, all that shit, is like—

Josh: Absolutely.

Tommy: But I also think you could go the other way. I don't know, it's up to you.

Josh: Well, the thing is, I think what I'd be able to use is I— him and I have actually gotten, I think, semi-close to working together in some capacity where it was like He does a programme called the Alt MBA, and I talked to him about doing video stuff, and we had half a dozen emails back and forth about me doing work and trying to find that opportunity. He actually watched my film I made in Pakistan and was really complimentary about that. And so, yeah, there was actually a potential opportunity which didn't end up going anywhere, but I feel like this has been an email relationship over sort of 5 or 6 years.

Tommy: And it has led to the Daily Talk Show.

Josh: Exactly. With Josh and Tommy. Maybe that's what it is.

Tommy: And Seth Godin, our first guest.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That'd be so sick.

Josh: It'd be pretty fun. I mean, so now I just need to work out how to seal the deal.

Tommy: All right, well, I'll let you go to bed.

Josh: All right, thanks, mate. I mean, yeah, it's Sydney. We're in Sydney. It's been fun.

Tommy: How long we've been going for?

Josh: Like 36 minutes.

Tommy: That's nice. Let's wrap it up.

Josh: Yeah, I think it's great. And just very quickly on the weather in Sydney. Fuck off. No, I'm serious. Just very quickly. Muggy as fuck. I don't like it as much. It's Sydney for ya. Alright.

Tommy: The further north you go, the more muggy it gets.

Josh: That's true, isn't it?

Tommy: Well, yeah. Queensland, go to Byron, completely different weather. Fuck, we're on about the weather again. Love ya.

Unknown: Bye.

Tommy: Catch you tomorrow.