#020 – Romance isn’t practical/

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It is the daily talk show and it's Monday the 12th of February TJ I may 20 episode celebrations that made I feel like my energy is very high well we we planned out to be the 20th episode was when we're gonna actually talk about it online so I feel like we've hit a milestone but I was thinking today we don't have enough milestone it could be we might be in travels could be the end because our aim was 20 episodes and then we get a I'm gonna put out a video about this now one's gonna k but maybe you need another 150 We need to do something on the 50 work that out

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yeah I What's another example of an achievement that you've said like a goal like this that you've actually seen through

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I haven't well sit the hundred videos of this year yeah

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that's until the end of the day I need it well I think big golf for whatever reason are can be goals are sometimes easier than small ago

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yeah I said I said like I enter this competition I put it up on my wall is like when Hollywood immersive hosting comp and was like getting flown to LA to live in this mansion, the hills for three weeks and I and I entered the competition. And I put it up on the thing and I just thought about it. thought about it. I want it. It's amazing. But the thinking of it is like I've done that with a lot of things. Yeah, and sometimes they come through but there's no difference in the feeling like, you know, like, I just knew I was gonna win. I actually felt like I was gonna win. But then there's other things I felt like I got away and I didn't. Yeah, this is like on you just might as well go into it thinking you get a win. Because if you don't, it's the same feeling is when you do it. It's like a winning stuff. surreal. I feel like I remember you doing a bit of a Have you done like the whole cutting out of a bit of a year board? Yeah.

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crafty. But

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it's like from the secrets like that. Yeah, it's like the vision board. Yeah. And I don't know it's like you do that for them. That presenting job in Sydney. We're dealing with a vision board

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vision board

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you know, I remember because you put a video up Yeah,

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I made a video about that. And it was it was for a job and I did this it was a vision board that idea but I didn't get the job but I did it when I was going for the job and radio I put like a thing up star fame and I and I got that yeah so maybe it's a faculty members whiteboards for me

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a version of right sheen on whiteboards and, and cementing it putting it running it down somewhere is a good thing. I think that this was a great this 20 episode thing has really helped me like just not making it feel like a grind. Can we just talk really quickly about what the daily talk show is? Yes, go for it.

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Okay the daily talk show two mates get together every weekday talking shit Monday to Friday. I was reading the description yesterday and it said talk for 30 minutes each each weekday we've blind that at

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245 but from it was a little birdie boys first birthday on Saturday night we got 45 people I think it's a 40 $500

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we got

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we got some cool gifts and I said this to you I was like it's the same with a winning right you spend X amount on weddings had 20 grand yeah and so if you have 100 people that you're waiting for 20 grand you're spending you probably get 20% back almost 20% back yeah so you could get for grands worth a presence Uh huh. So it's technically like you know like you spent 16 Grand i want to talk about the wedding stuff a little bit later but we need to talk about parties birthday

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and we did have we did have a few of the people who have been listening from the start some of your mates who had it be Mac even find out about the potty.

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He sent me this cryptic message and I didn't understand her authority was referring to our podcast he said he said he sent me a message saying podcast number one I was thinking he's talking about and I haven't told anyone This is like a week in LA he you talking about our podcast? Yeah. And anyway, I sent him the link the daily talk show.com yeah and then he just started listening to what he was actually referring to was a thought we should start a podcast human I

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to live my life is my we've got to get back on his Yeah.

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Certainly isn't an episode he's presently got. Bodie. Yeah me it was ironic It was a funny gift he got buddy a JB High Five voucher for 2995 may that's

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that's an amazing gift. I love john J. Bay. I've bought Bri some really shouldn't gifts over these because I've left it to the last minute and ended up at j Bay at 830 because the only thing it's fucking open wide Matt you can get a drawing from jack so you can get some good gifts that will get parrot

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know you can get the Mavericks now really show you know side DJ on my drone from there it's it's so the birthday party 45 people yeah and I reckon not that we do it in gifts but we spent maybe 300 bucks I mean work magic and she did on the last Alibaba it's like people buy ma it's amazing the gift and I couldn't believe how many people turn it around and more people came to that that my 21st says a lot I think it's like everyone when they come to it as like well done to you this is a party for you guys for making it through the year and I felt like it was actually a party one of the few parties that I've enjoyed attending yeah

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I think it's just because I don't know maybe because of the relationship you and I have and you just don't give a fuck yeah like if maybe if I'd only seeing you every once a month or once every two months and then going it would be a bit different

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but I think it was it was good fun it was a good vibe in the pack it was warm sausage sausage sizzle cakes is running around yeah drinking a few bees body just loving it yeah it's great

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that's very good the talking about the wedding stuff yeah I'm thinking this morning about

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what romance is how would you describe romance well it's not sitting on the couch with the missus while she watches married at first sight and you've got a bad in the leasing your Joe Rogan so yeah you're referencing what I

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last way to look at me so that's not where I'm at so what do you think how would you describe romance hashtag little things

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now I think romances thoughtfulness it's

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thinking ahead it's almost like a bit selflessness. So you doing something for them? I thought for instance, it's like I think the classic example of buying someone flowers like these some Mason's in that that these romance Yeah. I think it's the cliched version. What it's like you're thinking about them. You doing something they weren't expecting it. And that it's a sign of love. I don't know what I was thinking. Because Valentine's Day is coming up with those

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buddy's birthday. And Valentine. Valentine jacket. Yes. Solid strong now. Real. What it what is the code? What do you call yourself a rooster rooster name to? I call myself. Don't look at me as if you die. You're like, say my memory.

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And what would you How would you describe may you if you're a Bantam

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Bantam as a kid, they basically a small chicken that lay eggs, and they've got this cute little blue neck and they've got like this cute little sort of Mohawk thing, what sort of into small and so you're a Bantam

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touch with your emotions. I just want to understand the eggs have a regular egg smaller, smaller like say, if you got like it. Would you sell them as chicken egg now we

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ate them.

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La. Our chicken. A Bantam is a chicken at the breed of

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wood. I've ever eaten a band to Matt now sold as a chicken nine.

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Anyway, romance. Yeah, I've been thinking that romance is really unpractical things like there's nothing practical about romance. I was thinking about like, Oh, you you getting married? Do you think that marriage? What part of marriages romantic?

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The honeymoon?

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Well, I mean, it wasn't for you. Because it was fucking amazing. It was amazing. Like, it's I think what you don't realize when you're not married is it takes like, for an might not be for everyone. But for me. I feel like it just solidified some commitment and some some things that the within the relationship. That case go away a bit more practical than romantic. Do you think marriage is more practical than romantic? Well, there's practical you say I do. And then I say I do. There's practical elements of it. But then what it does emotionally to you. I think it's just like some switches internally. Yeah,

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just I wonder if that's the case. So I've been thinking about brand I and I've always imagined one day getting married. But it's purely my practical mind. Which is like, I can't be fact trying to work out who to invite I can't be fact what, like all of these practicalities of those. Yeah. I getting in the way and

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yeah, I'm trying to work out. Okay. Well, if it's the commitment, if that's the important bit from a practical point of view, you can go to a like a fucking city. Yeah. What is it called? The it's

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rather Yeah, the registry? Yeah,

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brother. Did it go into that. But then, are you losing something that are we going to then look back and be like, we really didn't utilize that? Well, it

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depends on what you're doing that for. Well, I

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want to I want the commitment Yeah, I want to show my love February and Bray wants to show her love for me. Yeah,

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but I don't want to have to fucking work out who's sitting next to who at a fact you know the most special parties the fucking engagement like getting in guy right because it's you and her there's no one around maybe may with a long land but it's actually

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I didn't think would it would be comfortable with you on sort of 20 like a 50 mil quite close like a 1.4 just getting right in there. Yeah,

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that depth make sure that focus is there Yeah, absolutely. Um, but it because there's this you get engaged like for me now we did in the morning and then we had this whole day we didn't tell anyone and it was just asked and it's like this really nice feeling so it's like that's where it is. I guess romantic there's practical elements of a bind the ring where to do it how to do it? Can I capture this with a camera Do I need to read up the audio of her saying I do or I will I want to marry What do you say we marry me yes

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oh I think to practical my fucking head right there I just yeah I find it interesting I just I feel like I'm also

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maybe to self critical and calling out my like romance requires you to remove some of your internal thoughts of calling bullshit on yourself pain like guy fuck it like it it's like are you could do it here let's go fuck yourself. Like is so

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I think there's also like a an emotional block right because it's allowing yourself to be pretty vulnerable like all the moment like I cried when I meet when I proposed to me is like for some like it's just these emotional moment right? Yeah, and how often you're flexing the emotional muscle where everything's flexing for oh I checked the heart George now I've been talking to James my good my James he was he was saying having a kid is like training for your heart that emotion when do you get to train that shit? Like when you challenge when do you feel vulnerable like that for somebody else? Not a great deal and because if we only thought practical with these things yeah you wouldn't have a fucking kid now would you like if you actually did the numbers spreadsheet and you're not having a kid you not getting married? Well wouldn't work out Yeah, on paper it wouldn't work out and that's where it is. It's like so there's that other side where you're like thinking who to invite it's like don't even get there just kidding guys. You can be engaged for ages then yeah that's that's the thing right? Like brain I've been together for over 10 years It feels

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like we're married yeah and I have no reservation like we both have no reservations in getting married it's just one of those things of the the wedding and all the bullshit around

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this can be a long time after

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what was it like what was I mean I wasn't even fucking invite happy with Danny where she had that always annoying I isn't crazy to think that your potential best man wasn't even

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my you win this match actually do I have a best man I had my brother's server to rather so that's why I just had them both one sign the registry grant and they both made a speech Yeah, that's only a part in the speeches

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of UMC the wedding and now I get to swear

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yeah yeah I couldn't be bothered it's also a weddings you don't want to you don't want to you don't want to have somebody like if it's the best mates are actually knowing responsibility to

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MC a whole weddings fact I probably like it because you don't drink and you know I just on nah I don't think I would. Well it would it would depend on the audience I guess but I was talking to my mate nice on who I'm really good friends with and I was doing a bit of the if you were to get married like he basically said the other days I can catching up with a good friend blah blah blah I said I haven't been fucking heard of this person. And then I said Can we get some sort of writing on black where where do they fit in sort of the friendships and then I said to him obviously it was leading to what I really cared about which is when we fit we have a bit of it you know remember my space top friend yeah yeah until I was saying what he said top three real he's decided guys know I'm top three okay I didn't give a fuck what the other guy was he wasn't near that so

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but now it's like okay so you have what your mom then may he's like no this isn't including family so it's like okay top right and then I got into the you know do you think would be your best man

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he's like Josh my putting me in this position I'm like no one else fucking kids like you can tell me like it's not gonna hurt anyone elses feelings. decided just that. But it got me It got me for you around making decisions like that. Was it hard for you and Amy to lock that should down? What best man best man? bridesmaids? Was it because I pick one of my brothers or I go mate. It's like

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which may so when

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both my brothers my brother's first wedding wasn't included in the bridal party words. You know, why not? I don't think he likes me that he likes

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differently. So on. It doesn't lie.

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And then second to die. So either. He likes you're married to us. Yeah. Oh, Jack's on him.

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But no, it's great. I got to like, you know, it's like a bit of an audition. Like I got to say from the outside. And then you have many years later. Was this three or something?

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This creature? Yeah, it's a solid. It was it was a solid effort. different country getting married for years after like, three.

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It was very much like you've been invited to that waiting. Yeah, that's nice. Well, not just say on as a

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writer head.

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But I am you and I had a big life change went overseas. previous marriage didn't work out. But yeah, it's that whole winning stuff. Like I remember speaking to my mom and dad about it years and years ago, and they're like, went off. I can friends with anyone that was at our wedding. Or like very few

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as some people that I regret that I invited that I did out of like just pleasantry. Yeah. Just couldn't be fact. having conversations around why you're not invited, which is annoying. And then it'd be different waiting this year if I had it. Yeah. And I think it's actually pretty annoying, dude. Like, I didn't feel I had fun. But it's also like, you're the center of the party and everything right up your alley. Hello. And no, it's beyond that. So it's like the hiring luck but beyond what you could handle. What I loved is having the we had a hotel the day before.

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What happened? No, my brother and I started day Oh, yeah, we have that three nights where you know, none of us have lackey and had a few bees and a good sleep. And then everyone kind of the next day. We like the best. The groomsmen my other brother and we all had a buffet breakfast at the Grand Hyatt would you ate pancakes waffles really

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worried about get like, was there a big ratings before

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I was feeling good? Looking good. Yeah.

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Did I psycho in the break mousetrap. She's feeling horrible. Yeah, he was vomiting every morning for it. But that was the morning

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but it's Yeah, there is a lot of logistics and practical practical elements to a wedding. Yeah, that just gets you through it. I just don't know about the someone

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you know. I do like attention sometimes I'm this weird fucking mix of loving attention and hiding it all at the same time. Wedding attention. I don't like I don't like birthday attention. How do you see your birthdays? Do you want to celebrate it? Yeah, I like it.

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You see it's interesting. Facebook. You know you see a lot of text messages on my birthday. Yeah, dropped right off how the getting text messages anymore other than, like, close family. But then the Facebook birthday messages come through there. So there's more of those because it's like there's this switch between personalized touch. You know, and now like, I think you know who that is. Dude from high school is telling me happy birthday. I haven't seen him in 10 years. When anyone writes HP JJ? Yeah.

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I'm gonna like the late No. g f Why go fuck is. It's like, I feel like running HP JJ is like, I'm gonna write a happy birthday. But I'm going to put in the minimum amount of

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it. I possibly can. That's funny. I wonder if you go the other way. People will just stop like, I don't. I've stopped writing to people. Happy birthday. If I'm not really that close to them. Probably do. I probably do it on Facebook five times a year. Okay. And it would be more of a like timing thing. You've grabbed the phone flicked it on? Yeah.

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If someone if someone I like and I'm like I you know what? I'll write to them. Yeah, but it's pretty and Facebook are pretty good. Now. It like notify me when someone that I care about

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having a birthday. They do it on purpose. Yeah,

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it's all there. Yeah, well, good luck. favor that you were in contact with Facebook would prioritize those people who you might be hanging out with a lot of things, but it saves

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me It saves me heaps of time saying people who didn't like it. I've even texted other people who I knew that would be forgetting their birthday.

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What I will text someone happy birthday. If I say sometimes I've seen on Facebook. Good thinking. And they will prompt me and then I'll text them. So then it seems like I haven't had an algorithm. Tell me. Well, if you're not on Facebook anymore. You can't like you can't expect everybody remember? Yeah.

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Oh, fuck. Now, if you don't even have it listed on your Facebook, it's like you're your birthday. doesn't exist. It's ages. A funny thing. You get you guys like at 21. I wanted to be older. Yeah, like turning 18. I didn't want to be it. A brain wants to look older that she Yeah, she she raised 27. Yeah, I think you get to a point though, where you're like, you could be 25 to 35. Yeah,

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but you just don't really look any different to the thing. I think that's interesting. With Bray, she looks young, which has had so much experience in the game like in her career in work life because she started quite young, straight out of sort of

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high school based like it just a year after that. And yeah,

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she was speaking to a photographer that she was working with the other day and they were saying they know that she looks young, but they thought she was the older based on there, like we've been working with you for such a time. But that would change negotiation, right? Like, if How much would you listen to someone at the age of 22 versus if they're 35

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main? Do you do you think that you would adapt your sensibility around how much he listened to someone based on their age on Um,

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I think internally I just do right like if someone is trying to give all my advice around fucking it's not about discrimination or anything like that. But if you've got someone giving you life advice and they're 21 they can go fuck themselves well it's like all the life coaches yeah

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I did a life coaching course be Coaching Institute. Yeah. When I was 19, what was it like? I you know, like I almost had the awareness going into it, that I wasn't gonna be a life coach because I was young, like, I felt the young thing I had people in this I owe you so young, like in a patronizing way but I got a lot out of it is like I think mean was learning it's education was like four grand or something like a complete road 90. I mean, it's like all of those education for grand from Do you know, they have like a payment plan and their sales technique going into it, right? They have these really lovely sales people they're just they're probably using NLP on the anchoring, touching your shoulder connecting, you know, they're getting you excited. I was kind of excited after it. And I and I started out walk away with

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four grand in day. Yeah,

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no, I think it was an experience. I feel like all these courses and she do is like, you make people within it, you learn little things. It was more around like it. You know, what the biggest thing for me, I wanted to get out of doing personal training. And I wanted to get into doing media, radio, TV stuff. Yeah. And it was like this shift. It was like, I broken up with a girlfriend that I was with for a couple years. And I did this training course you shared doing the Coaching Institute. Yeah. And then I got a gig doing some roving reporting with triple M. So I was like, was it connected? Do you think? I think whether it is or it isn't, it was like the final moments where I like to decide to go one way the attention was offered. No, that's what it was. I focus my attention away because I was obsessed with doing the TV radio stuff. Yeah,

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and when I did that, I got a fucking job doing driving reporting for we shall we always talk about that, right? It's is soon. If there's something you really want, sometimes you need to take your foot off the pedal and focus on something else, and then it will work out. But that's almost opposite to this fact. In visual board shit, right? Because it's saying, hang on, I don't have control over all of this. I'm going to,

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you know, try something out ads with no, I, you're right. But I think wheels are in motion. Right? So the only reason I got the radio stuff was because I'd put in all that work and was obsessed over it, you know, making contacts and doing random shit and then I

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take my focus off and then it's probably still bubbling away. It's

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like us talking about content works while you sleep. So I've got a YouTube channel with 4550 videos on it. So I can be asleep for a month and still get views and something could happen. someone sees it like what's like this podcast there is no connection to any like we're not fucking there's no like long game of us being fucking podcast celebrities or some shit like this but it's our goal is actually just in the doing like what happens if we just make and if we just put it out there maybe there's an interest for it but it's going in with the intention of the creating versus thinking too far ahead yeah and it's

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and it's so funny it's like any anything you it's that's totally an internal feeling you need it needs to be aligned yeah like you can't just say we're not we're doing it because it's the creating because if you don't legit feel that we too painful yeah

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you know it's and so I think it works shit like that works when it's in total alignment with how you feeling well just think about how many people who are working in radio who in fact in sales in some sort of content role that just want to be on air it's just it's a common problem right yeah it's it's like you're filled with this building this there's only two mics in a few positions that can go on air yeah and everyone's trying to weasel their way on yeah and it's sort of it's almost the the the go too slow within radio like our fucking Josh he just wants to be on air

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yeah so if I can I yeah it's funny people talking behind the back end right yeah like I should say Matt Tilly yeah I worked on his show and he talked behind my back to other people yeah I'm a fucking young 20 and say this because you know he doesn't even know what a fucking

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27 when I was working there but he's talking shit behind my back to other people saying

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so I love to give you context I went for some reason I mean I went to the block and we got shortlisted and got down to like, pretty close to being on it. Right. And he was like, took telling people behind my back I told me just wants to be famous. Like you are the person that's getting paid a million dollars he broke and you're threatened by this young whippersnapper who's working at the radio. I mean people can give a lot of people should we can all create these narratives around what people are trying to do. Yeah,

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but like what I've always respected about you and it's the same with my mate Simon Taylor. There's certain people who will get criticized because they just fucking try and they'll go at it and now fucking try and attacking it in 10 different ways and people don't like that people don't like the idea that they need to justify why they're not doing certain opportunities or they fucking triggered by their own bullshit but I thought when you're saying you're building context we're going to tell people who fucking Matt Tilly

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Yeah, totally well he

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was on he was just like in King of radio Melbourne for 1015 years. Yeah. And and then I mean when he's saying this, he's on the way out that Prime spots you know, so maybe there is a bit of that plays into it. I think

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also there's certain industries where

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where jealousy or backstabbing or things like that tie in comedy specifically is one of them another one which I've been noticing I follow a few artists on Instagram and there's this huge push around calling out copycats so I followed this one out it's probably every second dyes song like it's like an illustration illustration type stuff so like vector art and stuff like that and she calls out people probably at least once a week being like I've just been alerted to this person who's completely copying my work and I'll do screen grabs I mean how do you feel about that yeah

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my my brother's my sister in law she's an artist she's got these awesome earrings it's called mercy percy.com check it out she we found on I think it was either Facebook marketplace or gum tree yeah this person selling prints of her work really like to have them and they'll called Searcy mercy now it was like just identical they weren't even calling them into the I was like I had these I'm pretty know she I think legit copy like legit just stole the prayer and send me sent them to her and she called them out or something and wrote on it or something this person play damn I don't have it you know and so but I see how I've I've watched other people copy her work when they copy it or not and I've seen it and so it's like it's a feeling you know it's like a saying we love to know we love to be the one who knew the person that fucking you'd be married to your ideas or around that romanticize being first in something yeah

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video it's way harder right illustration you can look and say this person has literally literally traced the year but cinematography and style and it's a lot harder to to justify saying someone stole that because who did it? Yeah I mean there's and that's what pisses me off about blogging, right. It's like people seem to call people out as being Casey Neistat copy cats, or it's like, it's like saying that if you pick up a camera that you are copying all these cinematographers, it's like. Just because someone's got a certain type of fucking tripod doesn't mean that they're copying like, look at Michael Moore, Louis Theroux, Nick Broomfield. All of these documentary makers who might have similar styles and I'm sure that they're borrowing off one another. But there seems to be a case where it's like, if you're big, it's not an issue. But when you're at a smaller level, when you don't have that voice, and it's nothing

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and you have to almost I think you almost have to copy somebody in some respects, early days to then be able to find your voice because it won't be natural. Like you can't continue to copy some dude style. Yeah, because there will get to a point where, like, you feel it's not the right way to do something. And so like I I probably copied some blogging styles, early days, but then I found my feet a bit about what I like and what feels good to me when I'm making something or how to cut something. It's Wes Anderson is Casey Neistat, like those wide shots walking from left of frame to rod a frying like punching in it's like that's all

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he's a hybrid. Everything is a mash up interesting play on talks a lot about it in these books. Steal like an artist, which I've got like 40 copies of long story. But send your P o box and we may send you one. Yeah, if you send if you send me something in our P o box. Which is not what else fucking saying. tit for tat. p o box 400. Abbotsford Victoria 3067. I'll send the first five people who send us anything in the mail box. I'll send them a copy of the return address. Yeah, put it put your return address on there. But yeah, it's um, it's interesting people's radio giveaway. First one we're going to be doing bait the bomb tomorrow. It's a it's interesting. So I think we should wrap up because been 31 minutes. And we want to keep these sort of things short. What should people know about the daily talk show? Where is it from here? Why should people subscribe? Or who should subscribe?

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I think if you want to just feel like you're part of a conversation. It's the way we started. We don't get to fucking talk my friend mana. We talked about a lot of stuff. And I look back over the titles of each episode. Yeah, a lot of it does push towards like, you know, like success principles and all this shit. Yeah, but we're talking about it. We're talking about life. Yeah,

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and it's in. It's not, we're not positioning ourselves as fucking expert in anything. There's a bit of regurgitation going on. Right. Like, we consume so much content, and we're sort of putting it through our own filter, and then talking about it. And yeah, I think anyone who has 30 minutes, especially if you're in an industry where you work for yourself, and you're just you need a bit of a fucking release. We drive pant, right? Like, may I stay? Absolutely. I mean, if you're backing if you on huddle straight at the moment, this podcast, you can listen to all 20th and still be on fucking turning on. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, but this is the daily talk show every weekday, Monday to Friday.

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Anything else you want to say?

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No, no, I think that's about it for today. Make sure that I guess this is the first time that we're really pushing the whole subscribing thing and writing us so

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if you've made it this far, you might as well even if you hated this, yeah, you still might as well

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just give us a good writer like I don't agree with some of the shit even if and I think that the thing that we I like about this is there will we trade this fine line of slight missteps. I know that if I was doing this podcast A while ago I wouldn't be talking about the thing I know you're being comfortable about talking about Matt until he is because you're being fucking authentic and you actually have a thought and opinion he might have another side to it Welcome to have him on the podcast. Yeah but it's like we just I don't know like it's it's one of those things where it's like this constant fear that you're going to lose something right yes say something wrong yeah honesty

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I think that's the that's the exchange with honesty is and also know that you're not going to require a job from Matt Tilly. Now, I don't really want to want to say in fact, like, I think if I was scared to say that, yeah. What to make food make him potentially look bad. Yeah, that's the exchange of people thinking something about him. And then how it made me feel when these people came to me telling him about it. No, I didn't. Because I was on though I was leaving. Yeah, but I was like, it made me feel horrible environment because I was like, from someone that I respect as far as their successes. And I'm not anytime going to be stealing your job, bro. That's why I was like, I had that initial like, feeling of hurt. And then I was like, That's silly. Yeah, people will talk shit and maybe you've want to talk shit in our on our writings. Feel free in iTunes. If it's positive shit. Yeah.

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