Daycare is HOW much?!

Tommy: Wait, hang on, what episode are we at? 7. Episode 7, the Daily Talk Show. We're back. Yeah, I'm feeling much better, mate.

Josh: I'm feeling so good after the gym.

Tommy: You haven't been to the gym yesterday. You said actually the name of the episode was, uh, is Josh joining Tommy's gym?

Josh: Yeah, or Josh joins Tommy's gym. And I thought I should add a question mark.

Tommy: Spoiler alert, he hasn't. But we're on to a new episode, anything could change. I promise we're not going to go as deep into our— into Josh's as fitness or lack of fitness regimes today.

Josh: Bree said it got pretty heated. Bree's like, oh, I was worried that was getting a bit heated there. Yeah, that's how you and I talk to each other.

Tommy: We do, but then it's like, oh yeah, chill, see you tomorrow. And that's, that's why we can get through 7 episodes of this podcast.

Josh: Can you believe it?

Tommy: It's huge. It is. Follow us on, uh, what are we on? YouTube, Josh Janson.

Josh: Oh yeah, and your Tommy Jacket on there. I haven't done— we were talking about my lack of YouTube videos.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Fuck momentum, prioritization, momentum, all of this sort of shit. I mean, it feels like yesterday was the day of excuses, but yeah, man, doing shit regularly is hard.

Tommy: Okay, creative momentum. We both set out words for this year.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Mine was a combination of words.

Josh: So mine.

Tommy: But yours was.

Josh: Yeah, well, yours was anal bleaching. Fuck off.

Tommy: You're the only one to call that.

Josh: And mine was creative momentum.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And for me, that is about just fucking realising that the more you do and you sort of get into that cadence, the rhythm, that shit is so important to be able to keep creating stuff.

Tommy: Is it like a New Year's resolution that you haven't had any creative momentum? Is that why you put the word down?

Josh: No, I think it was because I think creativity is something that in school when you're doing like a creative subject, you really think about trying to be creative. But I feel like at some point that stops being a factor, like enabling that part of the brain where it's like, I'm actually gonna try and, 'cause creative is a little bit fucking out there. It's a bit, it's just, Do you know what I mean? It's not sort of a standard way of thinking. You actually have— I have to go into another area of my brain. But I was saying to Bree the other day while walking, I said, you know, I think I would dominate Year 12 multimedia like nowadays. And she said—

Tommy: Nostalgia alert.

Josh: Nostalgia alert. And she said like, what do you mean if you were there now? It's like a year— like, and you were young again. I'm like, no, like just right now. It's like, of course you fucking are. Of course you would. You're a professional, you moron. It's what you do for a job. I hope that you'd be able to outperform the year 12s.

Tommy: So, this word you had, 'cause you gave me the idea to have a word for the year.

Josh: Yeah, I got that from Dr. Jason Fox, who's like a behavioural psychologist.

Tommy: So, tell me the sort of ethos behind it.

Josh: Well, the idea is that fucking New Year's resolutions are hard, you just have to look at my list of them to see that I don't do them. And by having a word, or if you want to cheat into a phrase, you're able to really quickly filter things and say, is this part of, is this part of the approach that I'm trying to go with? So it's like a value.

Tommy: So you're about to buy a new camera.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Have you put that filter of the creative momentum?

Josh: Absolutely. I remember when I, was working at Envato, second fucking, geez, we just got the same fucking story. I guess I was there for 2 and a half years.

Tommy: Depends on if you're going to tell the same storey as yesterday.

Josh: I won't.

Tommy: Otherwise, it's a new story.

Josh: They had values and shit. So, they would be like, if the community succeeds, we succeed and all that sort of thing. And I started thinking like, man, that's such a good approach to life as well. Because what I would do is I'd say, okay, what am I prioritising? What are my values? And then I'll just use that as a filter for my approach to buying shit. So for instance, it's like the TV. If my filter is create more, consume less, or it's move, then buying a TV doesn't fucking fit into that value. Buying a couch doesn't fit into that value. What's your, what was your two words?

Tommy: Family first.

Josh: Family, like Pauline Hanson style? No, she's, she's, no, well, family first is the, she's not family first anyway, but family first is the, that conservative party that believes you can't sort of like.

Tommy: Yeah, okay, well, it's nothing to do with that. It's more meaning the decisions I make, I want them to benefit my family. So even if that's me working late, that's a decision for me, but it's also, is it serving my family? Can I do this tomorrow? Can I do half of this? So, or it could be what I'm buying. Am I spending money on something that's benefiting my family? Here, I go out and get pissed and spend $200 on alcohol. Is that really putting my family first?

Josh: No. It's fucking crazy how much you spend on daycare, hey?

Tommy: Oh man, it's $130 or $140 and then you get like half of that back, but that's only for Period of time, he's about to go into full-time daycare.

Josh: But so that means that like, you fucking have a go at me about my Uber Eats, but literally I could do breakfast, lunch, and dinner Uber Eats.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And we'll be in about the same position. You would have a kid.

Tommy: Yeah, but that's you can survive.

Josh: And this is the other thing too. That's not the fucking reason to not have a kid. Like, I think that I've sort of get super practical on those sort of things. I'm like, fuck, do you know how much a kid costs?

Tommy: You find the money and you make it work 'cause the family's pretty fucking important. It's like when you—

Josh: What's the other option? Like what's the math on it? So like—

Tommy: So the option, we're talking daycare now. So it's—

Josh: So it'd be Amy—

Tommy: Well, if Amy stayed home, right? So you go, you do the equation, $700 a week, we'd have to outlay or say, so say it's $1,000 a week you have to pay and then you get $500 back. So you almost get, you get 50% back.

Josh: Sure. So half of— someone's general salary, which—

Tommy: So if Amy makes $800 a week, we would need to find $300. She would have to make $300 a week from working at home and she'd be the same as—

Josh: Is that because you're going to some sort of real luxe?

Tommy: Yeah, there's cheaper ones for sure. This one's—

Josh: What's the advantage of this one?

Tommy: Um, they do, um, what do they do? Salariums? No, these are government—

Josh: Are these things government?

Tommy: No, this is a private company.

Josh: Is it? Are they government?

Tommy: Yeah, there's, um, council-run ones and much cheaper, but this one's convenient, close to Amy's work.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Because what you don't think about is when you're an employee for somebody—

Josh: Drops the kid off and shit.

Tommy: No, what if you need— if the kid gets sick during the day?

Josh: Yeah, sure. Like, how often does that happen?

Tommy: Not much, but companies don't want you leaving work, so we decided to go for the closer one. It is expensive, but I could fit in that process.

Josh: Were you expecting— like, what, what's been the most unexpected cost or unexpected thing of being a parent?

Tommy: That's the main one, 'cause it's a huge cost, right?

Josh: $140 is fucked.

Tommy: It's so much money, dude. Most people don't even, some people don't even earn $140 in a day, take home.

Josh: It's insane, isn't it? And what would be a cheap, you could probably do it for $80 or $100 if you went el cheapo.

Tommy: Yeah, and then you get a disc, then you get the, government rebate. Okay, so I mean, so why does that make sense?

Josh: So is that a hard decision, like spending that sort of money?

Tommy: He's so happy there and the people there are amazing. So like, I would put that first and I feel safe and the people love him there.

Josh: You feel safe, like—

Tommy: I feel safe, like, you know, like I feel safe with the thought that he's in a good, safe time.

Josh: Public or private school for him?

Tommy: I've been to both.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I think public system's so good now.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It is so good. You went to public.

Josh: Yeah, I went to public.

Tommy: I'm 100% for public.

Josh: It's so easy to become school captain in a public school.

Tommy: If I have the money, I will think about sending to private. I went to a $20,000 a year private school, right? Yeah. My parents—

Josh: What a fucking waste.

Tommy: My parents could have bought more properties outside of the family home they owned.

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Tommy: Which meant we would have been set up for life.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: My dad has said that, right? But they decided to put us through.

Josh: When you're having a real, like, being a shit of a kid, it's like, you know, we could be relaxing in our second, third year.

Tommy: Mate, I pulled the pin early. I left in year 10.

Josh: Did they ever do the, we're gonna send you to a Catholic school or something?

Tommy: Hang on, let me get my points. So the $20,000 a year. But what I've said to Amy, who didn't go to a private school with my wife. She went to Catholic school.

Josh: Catholic school. She went to Catholic school.

Tommy: Christian. Or Christian school. Christian. But I was saying the people you hang around and the way it opens your mind to see, like, I was a poor kid in a rich school, essentially, and I'm not from a poor upbringing.

Josh: Well, you've got so many good fucking contacts. Well, the only contacts that I have, like, like, there's nothing wrong with where I went to school, but my point is, yeah, that you, uh, open—

Tommy: like, I would party, I'd go to kids' parties. And they had walk-in fridges. And like, in my— what I'm saying is I look back on that time and I think it kind of opened— it didn't seem— that didn't seem unachievable. Yeah, like, sure, I probably won't have a walk-in fridge in my life, but I also saw kids with dads who had businesses, and it like— the world was quite—

Josh: it's a proximity effect to the people that you're around. And I, I think that as it— from a public school point of view, you'd always say Like, people at private schools are just being fucking spoon-fed. Spoon-fed was the classic word, right? They're just being spoon-fed for their exams. They're going to get to university and they're going to be fucked because they're not going to be able to, you know, do anything on their own. But yeah, I don't know. I think that it's— I think we should be encouraging people of all different demographics of you know, socioeconomic situations to be mixing and in the same schools, because then it lifts everyone up. Then the person who's at the private school, who would be at a private school going to a public school, can have fucking empathy for the commission, you know, the commission flats or the fucking people doing it really tough.

Tommy: What did you call the, um, I hear, so I'm just trying to work it out. This, anyway, the difference, my, this is my comparison going between a private school and a public school.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: At the public, at the private school, we call it the tuck shop.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then when I got to the public school, I called it the tuck shop and everyone gave me shit because they call it the canteen, mate. What's a tuck shop?

Josh: I was like, It's so true.

Tommy: It's like you just said it. You said, "Can't say that." Yeah, 100%.

Josh: And you're like, "Could I please just have the duck curry?" You're only getting fucking shitty sausage rolls and hot dogs. You fucking kidding me?

Tommy: So, I probably, I would like to send Bodhi to a public school. Some of my best mates are from public schools. There's not, and I went to one and there was great teachers.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And great, and there was some great kids there. So, it is totally different.

Josh: I think I would potentially send my kid to like a Steiner school or some shit.

Tommy: I looked into that. Man, I went to 5 schools.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: It's— And we did look into the Steiner school.

Josh: Nostalgia alert. It's—

Tommy: I don't know.

Josh: It's—

Tommy: They're more arty.

Josh: Yeah. But my school was quite good. Like, I remember, you know, Apovo School, Coburg Senior Secondary. That because of the socioeconomic area and stuff, they had all of these grants and they had all IMAX, like amazing program.

Tommy: And they all went missing in 3 weeks.

Josh: Well, I remember like I convinced my school to buy a Z1, like they spent $7,000, I think, on a camera. And I convinced them that because the school got broken into so much that it should stay at my place. No joke. So, I had like a pallet case.

Tommy: You've been amazing over life.

Josh: A pallet case.

Tommy: In a crafting situation.

Josh: To fit you best. Yeah, it's true.

Tommy: We've recorded every one of these podcasts in your comfy abode at home.

Josh: It is nice. I mean, but you get a free lunch and air conditioning.

Tommy: Yeah, true, but I have to leave my office and it fucks my day up.

Josh: It's true.

Tommy: So—

Josh: It is good. I'm—

Tommy: You're very great at crafting the world to how you want it.

Josh: I provide value. It's about providing value. Is it? And then sucking anything back. That's probably how it's done. What's on for the rest of your week? What are you doing?

Tommy: Mate, I'm in one of those weeks where it's just editing. Lots of editing needs to be done. And you know, it's an exchange of your time. That's all it requires. 'Cause it's not like you don't know how to do it. So then you have to learn as well as the time, but it's just like a total, I need to factor in 20 hours to execute what I need to do.

Josh: How do you manage your time? How do you prioritize?

Tommy: I've got a to-do list for the day. It's not called a to-do list, it's called get shit done.

Josh: And you put it in—

Tommy: I put everything in the Drive, Google Drive. So I just put the day and the date so you can search any day or date that you've worked, see what you did. I create it, I write it, and then when I've done it, I do it in bold. And then I have my calendar. Um, but sometimes you just know, like, I do stick to it every day, but then there's shit that you just know you're gonna do.

Josh: When do you think you're happiest in life?

Tommy: I think when I'm just doing the creating stuff.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And I'm not having—

Josh: When you're not thinking about— Isn't it so fucking bizarre? Because it's so easy. The thing that makes you feel good is the thing that's the progress. It's the thing of everything. Like, it's the everything. Yeah. But why the fuck is it so hard?

Tommy: Well, it's when you attach dollars to it, responsibility to it, deadlines, identity, identity, all these things. When you attach that stuff, it changes the game. Like doing something creative for a client, you can't stuff it up.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And they are expecting something, so it changes your approach to it. It changes your like you're not even, you're not cool with the process. It's like you're a bit highly strung in some cases. Not all clients, but some.

Josh: Do you like long projects, short projects?

Tommy: Uh, definitely not long lingering motherfuckers. Although there's that long project that potentially will be coming out for me later this year.

Josh: Yeah, that's amazing.

Tommy: That's many months. It'll be the longest project on earth. For me.

Josh: Isn't it? Long projects for me just are so hard to— what do you say— quantify? Like, just being able to see the value in doing something for a long time. Like, it's— everything is— you could actually hear the flies that buzz past me. That fucking fly. I guess we can't do it. Should we try and open the door? No, we'll just let it. Well, it's really annoying you. The, uh, I can't even fucking remember what I was talking about. It was about something about short, you talk. See, it all takes a fucking fly.

Tommy: You were very distracted. You're a really distracted guy.

Josh: Yeah, I do get distracted. I want to do the other thing I want to do is meditation. Yeah. Have you ever done meditation?

Tommy: You know, my mum's a meditation teacher. No, she's yoga teacher and meditation. She's got guided meditations online. Fuck, I'm gonna link that shit in the description.

Josh: What sort of meditation is it?

Tommy: It's, it's, I don't know that it's—

Josh: She doesn't do TM, does she?

Tommy: No, TM's a product like F45.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You knew that, right?

Josh: Yeah. So it's like, and it's like, you know, I like these inscriptions. Yeah.

Tommy: TM.

Josh: TM. Yeah, Transcendental Meditation or whatever it is.

Tommy: So it's like you get assigned a word. Yeah. I would like to do it, but it just costs a shitload of money. There was, I can't, It's less than 10 days of fucking childcare though. Well, what's your biggest expense in life?

Josh: Outside of, ah, fuck, what would it be? I think I've gotten real good over the, I think I used to spend a lot more money. I sort of to and fro'd, I spent a bit last year, I reckon on clothes. When I say a bit, not that like maybe 2 grand. Which is more than I'd ever spent probably my entire life.

Tommy: It's a rebrand. Yeah, I had a rebrand once every year, which I get so much shit from people about my Saturdays New York City because you bought a t-shirt that says the same thing on it. Maybe you have 10 of them, but it says the same thing. So, people only see the word.

Josh: So fucking annoying. I'm thinking, do you know there's this epic site called Everlane that I'm gonna buy all my clothes from? It's like an A&S colour mixed with like a thank you water style. Sort of motto or like social enterprise-y type of thing. They're out of New York City, but they'll have the recommended retail price and what they're selling it for. There's also options to pay, I think on like their sale items or something, you can pay for just the like the materials. Then there's another one for materials and labour. And then there's a third one for materials, labour and—

Tommy: See, that's the shit you love. 'Cause I couldn't think of anything more boring than looking on a website for clothes. Like, I just want to be given clothes and not think about it.

Josh: I couldn't think of anything more annoying than being in a fucking shop and having to do it. Okay.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So, dealing with people, but e-commerce shit and getting stuff in the mail, PO Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067. Go, let's talk about mail for a sec.

Tommy: You did episode 1, mate.

Josh: Well, how about this? I was sending something to a mate, got his address wrong. Fucking post office called me. It wasn't registered. It just— I had my phone number on the back and they said, oh, we don't have a 29 Venus, or we don't have a 2019. You sure you don't mean 29? And sure enough, I'd got the fucking thing wrong, but they'd contacted me about it.

Tommy: Did they change it for you?

Josh: Yeah, well, because I was saying, I was like, uh, nah, I think, I think that was the address. Like, oh, is it for this person? I'm like, yeah.

Tommy: It's like, oh no, they are Maybe they're just clinging on to the fact that they're going out of business.

Josh: But isn't that sick? Are they though? I think like if the— we're always going to need fucking post.

Tommy: I think it's slowing down a lot, snail mail.

Josh: I think, but packaging and shit, like logistics would be fucking nice.

Tommy: But then there's other courier companies. Like, yeah, I saw on a website today that offered Uber delivery. If you needed it quickly, they'll just chuck it in an Uber and send it over to you.

Josh: Yeah, sure, but there's, there's fucking proper services that are enough. Am I swearing too much, do you think, on these podcasts?

Tommy: Just cut the swearing if you're thinking about it. Okay, so the Uber service though is obviously not a, a legit courier service.

Josh: It will be just—

Tommy: yeah, one day it will be, but it was a service they offered. Yeah, so Australia Post are already competing with Uber in that.

Josh: JB Hi-Fi and shit, they'll do same-day delivery now. Like within 2 hours if you spend like $15. At that point, you're just like paying someone to—

Tommy: You love spending money.

Josh: Ah, yeah, I do. You don't, you?

Tommy: I do, and I— and not to the extent you do.

Josh: What's the difference?

Tommy: Subscriptions and I, I've— yeah, I like buying coffee and like just food and just little things like that.

Josh: I don't do a lot of online shopping like you do. I don't do a great deal. I probably only get what package couple of times a month. I know people who are like fucking weekly. Do you see Keegs on Instagram did a post of how much shit he bought from Catch of the Day? He had about 7 boxes.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And he was holding them all and he said, "Oh, I think I've got a problem. I think it's a fucking back problem.

Tommy: You're carrying too much." You know who you're not seeing do that?

Josh: Who?

Tommy: Dads or mums. Actually, maybe some mums.

Josh: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I mean, it's easy when you're young and you've got no fucking real Expenses. What does a kid cost? What's the— What other costs have you got to pay for boating?

Tommy: Nappies, constantly.

Josh: How much?

Tommy: They're probably $11 or $14 for 30. So, but you got to buy, you know, a couple of packets a week. And then you've got formula. Formula is like $34, comes in like a big Milo tin. And that's—

Josh: What's the deal about breastfeeding versus formula?

Tommy: Well, you can only breastfeed for a certain amount of time before the milk dries up. Okay. So, Amy— Bodhi, my boy, just drank so much breast milk. Yeah. And right up until probably 12 months old.

Josh: But some people like fucking breastfeed until the kid's 3.

Tommy: Yeah. Weird. Really weird. Yeah. More so like, no, I don't think it's weird. It's very natural. And I would have been happy for Bodhi to keep doing it. I was the one that's encouraging Amy to keep breastfeeding. Sure. And saying, let's not put him on the bottle.

Josh: Is there a bit of stigma around that? Is it like a mum's comparing?

Tommy: Breast milk's the best milk. That's what they actually say. No, no joke. That's what they say to you. Breast milk's the best milk. And I, well, I think—

Josh: Can you share milk like that?

Tommy: Oh yes. Let me tell you this story. I got home and Amy was pumping from her breast the milk and pouring into a bag, Ziploc bags, and writing on them the date and putting them into the freezer. What are you doing with that? I don't know, um, someone might want it. What do you mean someone might want it? Well, I'm on a Facebook group where people just say they've got milk and other people say, yeah, I'll take that. So Amy was on a Facebook group of mothers and put her milk up.

Josh: You don't charge for it, or you do?

Tommy: You don't charge for it. And she was saying, um, this woman's coming over tomorrow night. What do you, what do you mean?

Josh: Fuck off.

Tommy: So get this, you need to specify, do you drink?

Josh: I mean, this makes sense, but do you fucking trust these people?

Tommy: Do you smoke?

Josh: I don't trust friends that I have on Facebook.

Tommy: And this woman came and picked up a couple of bags of Amy's meal.

Josh: And she was just like a normal lady, normal looking?

Tommy: She seemed normal.

Josh: Amy said she was normal.

Tommy: And she said that, um, she got an email, a follow-up message saying Thanks so much.

Josh: High quality, would buy, A++.

Tommy: My little guy really loved it. He just wasn't doing well with the formula stuff. Thank you, lifesaver. So she—

Josh: Maybe this is more of a natural thing. Like, should we be doing community breastfeeding or some shit? Should that be a thing?

Tommy: That is it. That's the modern day community breastfeeding is the Facebook page offering up breast milk.

Josh: Well, it probably makes sense, right? Where it's like, fuck, if you were, I mean, I don't know. What we were like a few hundred years ago or whatever the fuck. I'm not—

Tommy: Oh, you're just trying to be jumping on—

Josh: Would it just be like, yeah, would it— It would just been like, ah, yeah, you wouldn't give a shit. I mean, what's the— Is there any— Is there any— Obviously no fucking genetics and shit.

Tommy: Breast milk is pretty, um, sterile.

Josh: Like, what does that mean?

Tommy: So if you say a kid has like a gunky eye, it's because there's some kind of little infection or something going on. And they say to squirt milk in his eye from the bridge.

Josh: It was like antibacterial type shit.

Tommy: Yeah. And so they, so, so Amy did that and, um, oh, it blew my head off.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: That there's this forum, but it is pretty natural.

Josh: Why wouldn't she keep, could she have kept that for herself?

Tommy: Yeah, it was frozen though. She like, I don't know.

Josh: What did they do then, zap it or some shit?

Tommy: Yeah, you then put it into the microwave or you could slowly thaw it out in, um, hot water or something like in a bottle.

Josh: Have you tried it? What does it taste like?

Tommy: Have you tried it? What does it taste like? Have you tried it? You answer the question, yes. And what does it taste like? I'll answer that. So, you assumed I tasted it.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Yes, I had tasted it.

Josh: Yeah, I thought, I feel like it would be something you'd do.

Tommy: I'm the kind of guy that would taste weird stuff. What does it taste like?

Josh: It's like a bit metally. Okay. Because it's got so many nutrients and shit, maybe. I wonder how much is affected by like if she drinks coffee and stuff.

Tommy: Yeah, I wasn't a regular thing, but I was like, as if I'm not going to try breast milk.

Josh: My son's drinking gallons of it. Yeah.

Tommy: I just like a little bit.

Josh: How's the quality?

Tommy: Because she put it into bottles a lot of the time. And so, it's this weird kind of medley taste. I guess here's the thing, you know, not saying it tastes like this, but blood has that real irony taste. It doesn't taste like that, but you taste that blood has like, it's rich full of stuff. Stuff.

Josh: And how often do you get blood tests?

Tommy: I haven't had one for years.

Josh: I was thinking about doing that because I found all this old health, you know, I'd get DEXA scans and shit to get body composition. When I did that, I realised I actually got all my things tested, like The 4-Hour Body, Tim Ferriss talked about, get all of these things tested before you start the diet. So, I got one before one after, this would have been back in 2010. So I was like, fuck, I should do that again. Should just go, just book an appointment at the doctor's, get a referral and then get it.

Tommy: It's then you need a doctor to run you through exactly what this means.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Why this has gone down. It'd be worth it, but I think you've got it.

Josh: We should do it, we should both test our.

Tommy: Yeah, but I want, I need something to test against 'cause I'd have to do it in another 6 months.

Josh: Yeah, 100%. I mean, you'd think that shit that I did fucking back in 2010, like it's gonna be pretty irrelevant. You could see.

Tommy: Yeah, but I think you could, yeah, there could be some stuff that you've—

Josh: Like long-term issues and that sort of thing. You've always said that I've got like a, you think I've got a terrible diet.

Tommy: Well, it's not a nutrient-first diet. And a nutrient-first diet is—

Josh: Do you think we talk enough about nutrients? It's so complex. As a society?

Tommy: It's so complex. And it's really hard to understand.

Josh: I don't understand it 'cause calories, right? With calories you can say I've either had too many calories or I've had enough.

Tommy: Yeah, but you're just doing a adding or subtracting formula there.

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: It's not going, what calorie?

Josh: But what are the nutrients? Did you, I saw this fucking doco about the infusions that all these people are getting where—

Tommy: I saw that too.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: The IV infusion. So just take, it's like having a drip in your arm And they're putting in—

Josh: For hydration.

Tommy: Hydration, but also like vitamins. Vitamins.

Josh: Do you take vitamins?

Tommy: No, not at the moment.

Josh: No. I don't know. I think it'd be cool for us both to get our blood stuff done and just seeing where we sit on it.

Tommy: You can actually send your blood off.

Josh: I've sent, I've spat in a tube and sent that off to San Francisco.

Tommy: Some weirdo online that just said, "Hey Josh, can you spit in this for me?" It was Amy's mate, she's got breast milk 'Cause it's so fucking weird.

Josh: No, 23andMe. So, it would give me a genetic, it was a genetic type genome test, whatever the fuck they call it.

Tommy: What was it for, diet or for something?

Josh: No, so it's all for if you're predisposed to certain diseases, certain sort, it has sort of a column with all of these different studies where they've applied sort of genetic testing to it. So, for instance, I am predisposed to be addicted to heroin. If I was to do heroin, or 90% of people, 99% of people, if I was to smoke, I would typically be a, um, I'd smoke more. Or this is heaps of different things, but it'll be able to tell you if you eat chocolate, you'll like it.

Tommy: But, uh, yes, Josh, it turns out you are a fuckwit.

Josh: There's, there's interesting— but the thing is that they, um, the FDA The people who are in charge of regulating all of this stuff actually turned off a bunch. I think it was around the medical stuff. I got in before they did all that. So, I've got a bunch more details, but you can still get it done.

Tommy: I would like to know my testosterone levels.

Josh: I don't think that— That won't tell you.

Tommy: No, I've just been in a blood test.

Josh: Why? You think it's pretty crazy?

Tommy: No, I don't know. I'm hoping it's low so I can just get a little assistance. Hit that dick real hard.

Josh: What is that?

Tommy: Well, you can get— so if your testosterone's low, yeah, for a male there's an average, I don't know what it is, there's a reading, but if yours is below average you can get assistance, testosterone assistance, which is a drug that they give you.

Josh: Brazil, apparently, have quite high selenium.

Tommy: This is like people saying chilli increases your metabolism. Yeah, the percentage that it increases your metabolism is so, so, so minute that it's almost the same shit with fucking red wine, dark chocolate, all these benefits of fucking antioxidants. Yeah, it's— they're trying to wrap like— but here's what I say, you can't, you can't get wrapped up or fooled in this, you know, oh, I'm eating chili, it's great for you, and sure it does it, but there's a million other factors that are going to boost your metabolism or your testosterone for that matter that aren't going to be that, that are going to be much more beneficial.

Josh: So did I tell you when I bought $300 worth of, um, pills from online?

Tommy: No, when? What year?

Josh: Uh, this was 2012.

Tommy: From the States?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Oh, there'd definitely be some illegal stuff.

Josh: Yeah, well, so what happened was it was on social media. It was, um, Garcinia cambogia. Which is some fucking Indonesian fruit which is meant to be the cure for fatness. Clearly, I said the name again, Garcinia cambogia.

Tommy: I couldn't even— I can't even say that since you said it.

Josh: Anyway, the— and the other thing was, so I saw this article that said that fucking what's-his-name Jackman, Hugh Jackman. Oh yeah, had used Garcinia Cambogia and TestoStrong supplement. I was like, oh, this seems legit. There's an article and shit. I can't believe how fucking dumb I was. I dropped $295.

Tommy: US or Aussie?

Josh: I can't, I feel like that was Australian, maybe.

Tommy: They cleaned out your piggy bank.

Josh: Yeah. So, I got all these bottles of this shit and then I looked it up after the fact. I'm like, oh, fuck. It was a fake article. Like it was a whole, like, which we see so much nowadays. A fake Men's Health article. So Hugh Jackman hadn't had them at all.

Tommy: He was taking actual steroids.

Josh: He was actually just, he was just fucking in the gym. I saw Hugh Jackman talking about that the other day where it's like steroids and they're talking about what he looks like, like to get to this point, it is not worth it. Like it's just the amount of time and energy.

Tommy: Um, I agree. I saw Hugh Jackman last summer in— I was just in Bondi and I looked over, I was like, who's this dude that fucking looked a bit like Hugh Jackman? And he had this like weird walk.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And here's the thing, so I thought he had a weird walk.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And it was kind of like this limp kind of— he's on the phone, right? And then I went to meet my mate who I was going to meet and he goes, you see Hugh Jackman? You see Limpy? And I was like, yeah, did you see his walk? Yeah. He's like, man, I was thinking that same thing. He's Wolverine, right?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: To me.

Josh: But he's not Wolverine in real life.

Tommy: He was a bit out of shape. But for a dude like him, he has to work. And for me, yeah, I have to work my fucking ass off to get in good looking shape. And that's what he's saying.

Josh: It's like, it's not worth it.

Tommy: But you got paid millions of dollars to do that.

Josh: Exactly. The Testo Strong. I googled it afterwards after I bought it, and the bodybuilder.com, I can quote them, they said, um, the only thing TestoStrong will give you is an erection.

Tommy: So what?

Josh: So I, um, I never had it, but I was always joking that one day I was gonna open up the TestoStrong, put on some comfy pants, and just see what happens. But, um, have you ever had Viagra? No. Have you? Yeah. What happened? I can guess.

Tommy: I had like half a pill and it just made my head go red.

Josh: As in your real head?

Tommy: My real head. Like it increases the blood flow, so it just made me like, my heart race. And I didn't even put it to good use. It was like, I just wanted to try. I was young. I found it like, I think it was in my brother's drawer and I stole it off him. He got a sample from somewhere.

Josh: It's crazy. I don't take drugs at all, like medical, like Panadol, all of that shit. I don't fucking do it. Bree gets annoyed because you'll be like, you got a headache? I'm like, I'm just taking water. She's like, just take a Panadol.

Tommy: But if you actually don't need to, don't do it.

Josh: Yeah, well, I just— especially when I had my back issues, I was just like, I don't want to be like people go on those pain things and it's like a spit test. They say that you'd be addicted to Panadol if you take it. Exactly. So, I just can't do it. There's another episode. Thanks, TJ. People can find us. Yeah, it's actually been 35 minutes. So, thank you for listening to The Daily Talk Show. You can see previous episodes at thedailytalkshow.com. You can get a link there to our iTunes as well, so you can subscribe.

Tommy: Hit us up on Instagram.

Josh: Yeah, @thedailytalkshow on Instagram. We haven't publicised it at all. It's— This whole thing is very fucking hush-hush. So, if you're listening to us.

Tommy: Yes, let us know. I want to know.

Josh: PO Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067.

Tommy: Get it in 7 weeks.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: You can hit us up online, which is much faster.

Josh: Which would just be, you'd have to use the fucking— What? Did we set up a domain? Oh, sorry, an email. We did. hi, wasn't it? hi@thedailytalkshow.com.

Tommy: That's right. hi@thedailytalkshow.com.

Josh: That redirects to me. Thanks, everyone. Have a great rest of your Wednesday. And be careful of the TestoStrong or Men's Health fake articles.

Tommy: Don't buy bullshit pills online.

Josh: Fair.