Josh joins Tommy's gym?

Josh: It's the Daily Talk Show with Josh and Tommy, and Tommy's back after being sick.

Tommy: Oh yeah, it was one day. Yeah, I was completely wiped out on a Monday.

Josh: You know, if you're sick on a Monday, typically you need a medical certificate.

Tommy: I don't think that's true. I think it's only if you're sick for 2 days in a row. Okay, fuck medical certificates, they're bullshit. Okay, you can forge that shit. No, uh, it is episode what, number 5?

Josh: 6. 6. Episode 6, because you missed out on 5. Sorry about the, um, Episode 5. It was just, uh, you talking to Craig Harper.

Tommy: I think people would have got a great deal of value out of it. I hope.

Josh: Absolutely. Uh, so it's Tuesday, and, um, yeah, so you, you were sick. Now, was this one of the first times you were sick as a, uh, self-employed person?

Tommy: Uh, I reckon I've had a couple of days off. Since being self-employed. I mean, there's some, there's probably been more days that I've just pulled back a lot, put in maybe 20%.

Josh: In that case, I've had a lot of sick days.

Tommy: You're putting in a lot of 20% days.

Josh: It's funny when you, I remember when I worked at a company that had working from home days, the sick days just goes way down because people don't take sick days. They just work from home.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah, 'cause there's probably a lot of days you don't feel up for going to work, but you could work.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Tommy: That is interesting. Um, that's, um, can I say the company that you work for?

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: So the dude who lived downstairs from me in my apartment block, I was always like, fuck, this dude does not work, he's home all the time, I don't know how they're affording it. Then it turns out he's on a well-paid job for Envato. Yeah, because he, he literally worked from home most days.

Josh: Yeah, it's— I think it's the future. What's been the most flexible work you've ever had?

Tommy: Oh, I haven't— oh, actually working in radio. So working for somebody else, you mean? Yeah, because I've worked for myself most of my life.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: But I worked for radio, and so we would do the show from 6 AM till 9, and then I'd leave straight away and go get coffee and have food, and then I'd come back in, do a bit more work. But it was more like, if you don't do enough work, you're fucked the next morning.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So, we always did enough work.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But that was the most flexible, nothing like what you've had.

Josh: Yeah, I think Envato is a bit like that where it's super flexible, but it all comes down to accountability. I think that where people fuck themselves is they accept the flexibility as them being loose, they do fuck all work and then they—

Tommy: Get fired.

Josh: Get fired, essentially.

Tommy: Is it, is there, does it vary across what role you have for the company?

Josh: Yeah, I had, I reckon one of the best roles. Because I literally had 3 months where I was just filming, where I reckon I responded to about 4 emails in 3 months. Where there's other people who rely heavily on email.

Tommy: And so, your job didn't, and that's why.

Josh: So, yeah, that was a dream job because I was reporting into the CEO and I was working with my producer who became a great friend, Naysan. And so, we were travelling together, he would be doing it. So, that was why my inbox was low, too.

Tommy: But so, in the company, did it like, matter what position, say if you're a coder or a web developer?

Josh: The only person who wouldn't have had this sort of flexibility would have been the receptionist. So, that's hard to do in other places. But the thing is, it's not like a traditional receptionist. They wouldn't answer the phone. They would get all the voicemails and then go back and call them. 'Cause you get people like crazies who like they're, their WordPress templates been fucking up. So they'll contact Envato as if they'll be able to solve the problem.

Tommy: If you have no idea what Envato is, look it up.

Josh: It's a— envato.com. They do like ThemeForest, VideoHive, AudioJungle.

Tommy: It's amazing.

Josh: Yeah, it's a great resource.

Tommy: Anyway, job titles. I was on the way here, I was on the way to work this morning and I heard some fucking dude on Triple J, like basically he was introducing a guest that was coming up next. I didn't listen to the interview, but they were saying, you know, he's this, he's that, and among other things, his real title is futurist. And I was thinking, that is the most bullshit fucking thing on earth to be a futurist. Futurist.

Josh: All of the— I mean, I think every job title is fucking bullshit anyway.

Tommy: But a futurist, you cannot know the future. You can have a more educated guess over somebody else.

Josh: And that's literally what they're doing, right? It's the same with strategists or anything like this. A futurist is taking a lot of times things like history or they're taking technology and they're making sort of guesses on this is what we can be looking at. So, they'll say, based on how machine learning is going, how artificial intelligence is going by using this theory, we should be able to be in driving cars. What does that mean? And so, a futurist will also look at What is the social impact of us not having to drive our cars, having driverless cars? Well, it's like there goes the taxi industry, there goes the, you know, Uber drivers, but then there's all these other effects. So, maybe it's around traffic or it's around car manufacturing. And then if you think car manufacturing, you think about all the different industries and the people who rely on that.

Tommy: I feel like there's still a slight level of just, I've got to say something.

Josh: It's like, fuck, it's like, uh, life coaches. What they're just fucking guessing. They're just saying, okay, this has sort of worked previously, here's some sort of theory.

Tommy: At what point do you call yourself one? Like, do you think you go through that as someone? And look, I might be totally wrong about this.

Josh: Yeah, I think, I don't think they're too dissimilar to a movie reviewer.

Tommy: It's subjective.

Josh: So, talking. Yeah, they're taking information. And, you know, a good example of a futurist would be Kevin Kelly, who has that Cool Tools, you know, I've got that Cool Tools book, real random. I can show it to you. He started Wired magazine. But, you know, these companies will pay futurists to come in and do talks because There is something to be said with someone who is constantly looking at all of these things. So, looking at stuff like cryptocurrency and saying, well, what is the actual impact on this sort of stuff? What has been— like, if you think about it, there has been a huge amount of impact on having mobile phones at the level that they are today. And futurists can help businesses prepare for that. Help cities organise because Airbnb is just the beginning, right?

Tommy: So, is there a bunch of futurists that are pretty much saying the exact same thing?

Josh: Yeah, there'd be heaps. There'd be all, there'd be ones focusing on different things, right? So, there's gonna be someone who's got a technology skew, a psychology skew.

Tommy: Yeah, but so there'd be thousands in each space.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Are those thousands in each space pretty much saying the same thing? Because if they're not— No, they all have their different theories.

Josh: And so, it's—

Tommy: They're all just having stabs at what the potential future is and they're only—

Josh: And so—

Tommy: What was that post Jules Lund wrote about? Oh, he's talking about on LinkedIn, it was about the trends, how to write a post about trends in the future.

Josh: I mean, there's a language to it, but the thing is that there are futurists who in, you know, the '70s or '80s, or they would have said things that today we are doing.

Tommy: Like, so— But then there's all the people who said shit.

Josh: Yeah, there'll be shit that people— So, the futurists who people listen to are the ones that have made some assumptions and have been correct. I mean, I don't know that, like I'm talking from some sort of authority.

Tommy: They wouldn't stand on their feet if they weren't, if they're getting everything wrong, people would probably be going, "All right, bro, you need to chill out on your time out, your job time out." There's some, there's ones that were saying that would have flying cars or things like that.

Josh: But yeah, I think it's, yeah, future stuff's interesting. When you think about the future, do you get excited, scared? What's the emotion?

Tommy: I think it's more scared when you have a kid, 'cause then you realise what they're up for. Yeah. But the, yeah, it's only, yeah, I don't know. It is pretty scary, but I like it. I've always embraced it. You know James, my mate? He's paranoid about everything.

Josh: He said the other day, he said that he thought that the government was tracking him. And I said, why? And he said that when he leaves his building, he loses reception for a second and it flicks on and he thinks that they're tracking his specific area. I said, are you with Optus? He said, yes. I said, the same thing fucking happens with me. You just don't have reception in the office. You fucking idiot.

Tommy: Mate, if it's not for, if it's not for like flying cars, just fucking get the internet right. Like get super fast internet that doesn't drop out everywhere.

Josh: Yeah. It seems like we, there's these leaps that we want to make, but we haven't got the fundamentals right. What's your theory around, like, I know that you're the type to put a sticker over the top of your camera, like, so your laptop camera. When did you first do that?

Tommy: My— now it doesn't have any credibility. He's like a futurist who's got everything wrong. My mate James, yeah, he's the one that thinks the government's spying on him, which he's got it on it, he's got it on there. But I watched a video the other day of a hacker who got into someone's MacBook. Oh yeah, yeah, but I was saying before, I've always been pretty— not careless, but I'm like, I'm not hiding anything. Like, if you hacked or looked into my computer.

Josh: The worst you're gonna get is like a huge amount of wanking. No, 40% of that, and then the rest of, uh, 40% just you looking like a bit of a dope. We're just typing, editing. Imagine your, your face, your editing face, or like, yeah, there'd be like a juggling face.

Tommy: You could get some really disturbing shots of you.

Josh: Have you ever had anything go out online that you didn't want online, or anyone tag you in shit that you've had to quickly take down?

Tommy: Nothing. Oh mate, I was a stripper, so there's probably photos.

Josh: People have photos. Did you go full, so you would show your peen and stuff? No, no, no. Oh really?

Tommy: No, it's just like, if you think about— have you seen Magic Mike? This is really good.

Josh: No.

Tommy: Well, I've watched them.

Josh: Of course, because it's industry sort of. Yeah, so you—

Tommy: it was like, it was like a stage show with dancing around And you're up on stage and it's like—

Josh: And so you're just in your undies?

Tommy: So you don't do down to your undies and then you rip it all off, pretend like you've got nothing on, but you've got a towel on. So it's basically, it's just prancing around and then it's like—

Josh: So easy.

Tommy: There was one time I did this show and you rip it off and you drop the towel, but you're not facing the audience, you're facing the back of the stage. And as I did it, I just realised that these two girls are waiting by the side of the stage looking up. And I looked over to my right and I was like, oh damn, they knew what was gonna happen, so they got aside.

Josh: Did you ever feel, uh, that people crossed the line?

Tommy: Oh, at these shows?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Fucking oath. Yeah, it was, it was very intimidating. Yeah.

Josh: What would people do?

Tommy: It was the— it's just the energy. It's like, no, it wasn't— of course there was like people trying to grab you and and shit like that. But I think you'd probably accept that if you, if you're a stripper.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Um, but just the energy of the, the people in the room.

Josh: Do you hang out with female strippers? Is it like a stripper community? No, it's quite separate.

Tommy: I think it's, it's very different.

Josh: Is it like, is it a big thing within the gay community? Would you do it for like gay people?

Tommy: I didn't, but I know other people did.

Josh: And that was a big thing?

Tommy: Yeah, I guess it's like men hiring female strippers, men gay guys want, yeah, male strippers.

Josh: Absolutely.

Tommy: But no, I never did it.

Josh: Do you regret doing all that stuff?

Tommy: Oh, looking back, I was 19. I'm 29 now, so it's 10 years ago. Yeah, I look back and it's like, I actually think, who the fuck was I? Yeah, it's so weird because it's so far from where did I come from.

Josh: Was it a desire to make coin?

Tommy: So yeah, it was like my mates who I met in the gym. We were training heaps, we were both personal trainers, and he was doing topless waitering. And he's like, oh, you know, you're training, you should do this.

Josh: And you had your own business, didn't you?

Tommy: Yeah. And then so I started with this guy, we started doing topless waiting, then we're like, let's start our own business. And so we did. We took out a Yellow Pages ad.

Josh: Really? How much did it cost you?

Tommy: I was like 5 grand. And it worked, it actually worked though. Yeah, it was at the time.

Josh: Pages worked.

Tommy: Yeah, so like The internet for that kind of stuff, if you probably got on there, it would have been really good. We had a great site and we started getting jobs through online, but all the— it all drove to our website anyway. So people would either call or— but it was, it was probably a worthy investment. People rang.

Josh: How much were you making, do you reckon?

Tommy: Oh, a couple of thousand bucks a weekend. Yeah, it's good.

Josh: That is great.

Tommy: Yeah, it worked really well.

Josh: And when did you— what was your final show?

Tommy: I reckon it was the— when I went away, I reckon it was the—

Josh: You went to New Zealand?

Tommy: New Zealand and Tasmania. There might have been one after that, I can't really remember. It's seriously a blur, like it's all— Like the New Zealand—

Josh: You can block it out a little bit?

Tommy: Nah, it's the New Zealand trip. It was amazing. We went all over New Zealand.

Josh: And it's like performance, you're dancing.

Tommy: Man, it was like a full production.

Josh: Do you think you could do comedy stand-up?

Tommy: Nah. You've pointed out to me a lot, you're not funny.

Josh: I've pointed out that you're not funny. Yeah. You're not funny.

Tommy: And you've really gone hard on that.

Josh: Yeah, well, I mean, it's the same way that you constantly say to me, like, you just don't have like the— you've never built the muscle, so it's going to be hard for you. But I've got the muscle. I've got the muscle. I've been building it for years. So I can just lift away and it does it. But you, you can't do that. Yeah, it's a little bit like that. I've been building my funny muscle. You say you think you're funny. I think I'm funny. Yeah, the thing is I'm funny when I don't want to be fun— oh, like when I'm not trying to be funny. As soon as I try to be funny, I'm the most unfunny person.

Tommy: I agree.

Josh: Fucking annoying.

Tommy: It's like—

Josh: because how can you prepare for that? You just go on stage and hope that you're funny, but then you'll slip into pretending or trying to be funny, and then you're not funny. Yeah, it's fucked.

Tommy: Then what are the people who are actually funny? What do they do? Like a real, you know, comedian? Chris Rock, Joe Rogan, these dudes, they know they're funny.

Josh: They're great storytellers, really, aren't they? Yeah, they know what— Yeah, I guess you— It's about working out what is funny, because Joe Rogan isn't necessarily like a, um, he's, he's not like a Luke McGregor or something, right? He's not this like character. He's a— yeah, Husey or something like that.

Tommy: Will you laugh at him? Yeah, just—

Josh: we're laughing at the character. But I haven't seen Joe Rogan do stand-up. Is it good? Yeah. What's he like? I—

Tommy: do you know who Brendan Schwab is?

Josh: Is he the fatter one who's always like—

Tommy: was a UFC fighter. He's made of Joe Rogan's, but he's probably— he's more of the dude that I was like, he's not going to be funny.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And then you watch him and he's the storyteller that says the right things. And Joe's the same. He's like, he's got really interesting observations on things. So you're right, he's not a character that you're laughing at as well as the things he's saying. Yeah, you're laughing at the storey he tells and his ability in seeing weird shit.

Josh: The hard thing about what I think is funny, I think the funny is in the inappropriate. It's in that, the mix of the two. But I think that the world that we live in now, which is probably the right world, but it is a world that is a little bit more sort of fucking on edge about shit. 'Cause I find the stuff that I used to laugh at would be the shit that's making fun of other people. Like I find that like, you know, someone, a comedian digging into someone in the audience and really getting it, like just, it's essentially bullying, right? But there's, There's something I think about that craft of just being able to like find someone's insecurities and go bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, which is— I used to find enjoyable, whereas now I feel like there's that voice that's, well, you can't, you can't actually say that anymore, that's not funny. Um, yeah.

Tommy: So what are you funny? Why are you funny? Because if you can tell me I'm not— because you said recently you've got more funny.

Josh: Yeah, you've gotten funnier. I think maybe, but maybe that's because you're hanging around with me. I think what, uh, what makes me funny— fuck, how did this podcast turn into me telling everyone that I'm funny and defending it? We need to say why you are easily jacked. Like, no, I think, um, uh, maybe I just— I would just— I don't have a filter and Having a filter isn't fucking funny. Being too contrived isn't funny. Being able to say shit that people are thinking, maybe that's funny. I don't know. It's self-deprecating. I can look at me and see why I'm so fucking stupid. But I think the turn off your fucking phone.

Tommy: Someone messaged me.

Josh: I understand. How it works. Fuck it. The, yeah, the funny thing is, I mean, everyone who, everyone who becomes a stand-up comedian needs to say, okay, I think that I am sort of funny to get through, to get to that point.

Tommy: Yes, of course.

Josh: So hang on, could you, could this all started by you asking me, this is not going to be Leon Shergrin's fucking podcast where I'm going to go up and do stand-up.

Tommy: Am I Funny? Look it up, it's a good podcast. So, but hang on, are you— because you said to me, would you do stand-up? Yeah, would you do stand-up? That's my question to you now.

Josh: I think that what I find really hard is there's so many fucking things that I want to do. There's so many— like this podcast, I think about it like, is this aligned with— like, maybe I overthink shit. We know I overthink shit, but is I always wonder like, is this podcast, is this relevant to where I'm trying to go? And is comedy, 'cause like the thing with comedy is like there's some amazing comedians, but comedians are also fucked up. Like knowing some, having some close friends that are comedians, like comedians are fucking insecure. They're all fucking bitching about each other. Like it's fucking horrendous because they're all trying to like fight for the top and they're all pulling each other like, there'd be so many people bagging out Hughesy as being this fucking mainstream bullshit comedian, which is just shitty. So I think that there's— so to answer your question, I struggle with understanding where to focus. And I've even, you know, to a certain degree, I've niched, I've tried to focus. So over the last 2 years, I've just focused on filmmaking or video production and This year I'm starting to say, okay, well, why can't I do podcasts as well? Why am I putting myself in this one fucking category? Why not? Like, I love taking photos. Why not do photography? Why not? Like, I've had so many clients who ask me, can I do photos? And I'll normally handball a job or whatever. And now I'm like, oh, you know what? Cinematography and photography, there's a lot of overlap. You're playing with light, you're trying to tell a story. And just like comedy, it's the same way, but I'm, I think it's hard to work out who you are. I mean, how do you define it? How has your, the definition of yourself changed?

Tommy: In what respect?

Josh: I mean, you never would have called yourself a filmmaker.

Tommy: Nah.

Josh: 2 years ago.

Tommy: Well, I started, I said before on this podcast, I'm a cowboy. But I started out by, I've always made the stuff I wanna make, so.

Josh: But you'd be more comfortable now calling yourself a filmmaker? Yeah. And you do.

Tommy: And that's— ah, yeah, it's, it, it is a hard thing defining what you are because I don't think sometimes it's necessarily what you want the whole time. So is it necessary defining yourself? I think it's more, it's more necessary internally to define yourself, to know that you truly are something. Because you could call yourself a filmmaker, but inside you don't really feel like you're a filmmaker. I just make little videos.

Josh: But there's so many people too who want to be want to say they're a writer, a screenwriter, or a filmmaker, but they don't actually want to fucking do the work. So there's— it's so easy. We're in an age now where anyone can update their Instagram bio or their Twitter bio to say whatever the fuck they want.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And when I was, when I was 15 years old, before I'd fucking made much, I just sort of edited a few things, you know, just what you'd expect of a 15-year-old to have done, maybe a little bit more, but I was calling myself a filmmaker, and when you went on my website, it would read as if I was the biggest fucking agency in Melbourne. And talking is cheap, but I put up a quote on my— on a sticky note in my office yesterday, which is, knowing isn't doing. And I think that We can— and watching isn't doing either. So, I think that people can watch their friends around them be on air and doing a show or doing this or doing that, and they straight away assume that that means they can do it when it— when doing is the hard bit.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah, it's complicated. I mean, I'm thinking about all these things that you are too.

Josh: Yeah. Well, it's thinking like, 'Oh, I could run' versus fucking running, right?

Tommy: It's like, 'Oh, my run is really annoying.' Yeah, that's why I don't do it.

Josh: But it's effective, isn't it? As putting on your personal trainer hat, is— how good is running?

Tommy: I don't recommend it. I mean, why? Just too many things. It's— there's a lot of things that it's hard on— knees, back— especially if you haven't got a base level. But that's—

Josh: what is it good for?

Tommy: Cardiovascular endurance, mindset, mental state.

Josh: How can you get that without injuring yourself? How can I get the mindset benefit?

Tommy: Oh, bike riding, bike riding.

Josh: Yeah, Hamish does that in a big way, right? Like that's been his—

Tommy: Hamish who?

Josh: Blake. That's his big thing is of cycling and doing Strava stuff.

Tommy: Rowing.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: What else? Cross trainer, all those things. So if someone was just say, would you recommend running? It's like, there's too many things that needs to come after that.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Are your knees fucked?

Josh: Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Is it— is there— I feel like it's one of those things where I guess a certain amount of kilometres a day is fine. Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, if you, if you were to run 1,000 meters, but then it— yeah, the problem with anyone suggesting any exercise if they don't know anything about you, yeah, is that's the problem. Because if you don't know, you—

Josh: there's a lot of fucked up like PTs and shit, right, who are just throwing out Advice to do it, I think kettlebells— where— how good kettlebell's good if you're strong.

Tommy: Yeah, if you've got any base level of strength and you've got any base core strength, or if you're starting out from the very bottom with like hardly any weight, there's some good movements in there. But if you have a fucked back, probably not the best to start swinging kettlebell.

Josh: I got, um, I got off my brother, uh, my dumbbells I'd lent to him.

Tommy: Yeah, I saw that.

Josh: Do you think, um, do you think I'm going to be able— like, all I really care about is having sort of decent arms, shoulder, like upper body.

Tommy: I think that's your problem. I think that's your problem. Yeah, fuck no, it's not my problem.

Josh: Your problem is you just don't fucking listen and you want to take me on this tangent of all these other shit that I want to do.

Tommy: It's like anything, you've got to do the work. Like you're saying, we were talking about before, if you want strong arms, work on your back. If you want strong core, do deadlifts and squats.

Josh: But I think that that's not comment, like I don't think that that's necessarily as obvious, right? Because my thing is if you want strong arms, you do arm exercise, you fucking do curls. If I was just to do, what are they called? Curl, bicep curls. Would I get big arms?

Tommy: Not necessarily.

Josh: What does that mean?

Tommy: You haven't trained enough to build them.

Josh: Oh, here it goes again. You're not like me, you just don't, you're not built. To build muscle like I am. I've never said that. I can pick up a fucking slab of meat.

Tommy: But it's like if you see someone at the gym doing sit-ups, like if you were to—

Josh: I understand sit-ups, right? The thing with sit-ups is you might be working your fucking abdominals, but if you've got a layer of fat, you're not going to fucking see the abs. However, I'm talking purely about if I just want— what's that thing called?

Tommy: Your bicep.

Josh: Bicep. If I want to build up my bicep. Is it true that you need to work on your tricep 'cause that's gonna push out the bicep?

Tommy: No.

Josh: What's it?

Tommy: The tricep is the other side of your muscle.

Josh: Yeah, but I heard that if you build that out, the other things will look bigger. Sort of like when you sort of shave.

Tommy: Well, my mate's got an oversized tricep, which makes his bicep look bigger, smaller.

Josh: So who's that?

Tommy: James.

Josh: What does that mean, an oversized tricep?

Tommy: Well, some people's like different muscle.

Josh: Does he know that? Is that a thing?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: Mate, I've got a fucking oversized tricep. Is that because he works the tricep?

Tommy: Well, I don't know. So you're using your tricep when you're doing bench press and all those things, so it can grow a bit quicker than your biceps. But my point is, if you were to grow your arms, chin-ups and things like that, so any, any pulling movement—

Josh: Like, how do I fix the in-between my shoulder blades?

Tommy: Oh mate, this is not a, this is not a counselling session.

Josh: It's not fucking counseling.

Tommy: I'm just asking you as a mate in a fucking conversation Probably start being active.

Josh: No, beyond, see, this is the thing.

Tommy: Go get a basic circuit programme at the gym.

Josh: Oh yeah, this is classic fucking PT pusher.

Tommy: But go get a basic—

Josh: Stop being a PT pusher. The thing is—

Tommy: PT pusher meaning suggesting you get a personal trainer? Yeah, fucking oath.

Josh: The thing is, the language you're using is the same fucking language when people say, how do you lose weight? And it's like, it's all about moderation. What the fuck does— or it's about a healthy diet. These are fucking— these don't mean anything. What does a healthy diet mean? What the fuck? What does moderation mean? Fuck, that annoys me. It's always the skinny fuckers that say it too. It's all about moderation. It's like, no, you've just got a really good fucking metabolism. Can't even say the word.

Tommy: Oh, this is a bit hot button at the moment. I saw a girl post on Facebook that she's using her super payment So you can like dig into your super.

Josh: How much super you got?

Tommy: I don't know. You can dig into your super when you're, what is it, 65 or something? You get access to it. But previously, so before that, she's only 20-something and she's got to dig into her super to fund lap band surgery.

Josh: Fuck. So getting that, yeah, I worked with the PT doing videos where it was all about like fitness over the surgery stuff, which 100%, like when I fucked my back, They said 80% chance you're gonna need surgery within 2 months. And I just fucking lost a bunch of weight. I'm a bit better now, but fuck, there's so many shit PTs that I just don't know how to. And I also, you know, I love subscriptions. You know, I love spending money on shit, but I've just spent so many times money on PTs. I don't like being told what to do.

Tommy: I remember there's your first thing.

Josh: I remember one PT said to me, do you want the abs? Do you want the abs? And I said, mate, you don't fucking have abs.

Tommy: You actually said that?

Josh: I said that to him because it's fucking true. It's like, how is this fucker who this is his one job, this is the only thing that he needs to work on, and he doesn't have abs? But it's like the guy who he puts in 45 minutes a week, you're selling him that dream. It's bullshit.

Tommy: It's like any industry though.

Josh: I don't need fucking abs, by the way. I think abs are So fucking overrated.

Tommy: There's a bunch of idiots in the field. And if you said to me, you wanna go see somebody, I've got 5 people that I could recommend you to.

Josh: And what am I gonna be spending a week on that shit?

Tommy: $150.

Josh: It's fucked, isn't it?

Tommy: Of course, but you don't do it by yourself. That's the whole point of a personal trainer.

Josh: I don't like groups.

Tommy: I had people that come and pay me $250 a week and they'd come 2 to 3, 4 times a week.

Josh: And then what happens when they go away from you? They fucking put it all back.

Tommy: Of course, but they come to the realisation like you, you're the opposite of this. They can only be told what to do and that's when they'll do it. So, they factor it into their life.

Josh: But is that a good, is that, it's like saying, like they're putting the barrier to entry so high. It's saying that the only way that I'm gonna be able to get to this standard is if I get a PT. What I'm saying is, why don't we come to like, it's like PTs who are like, well, you're not gonna really lose weight walking. I've gone from being 120 kilos to being 85 kilos.

Tommy: But you've also changed your food massively. Yeah, that's a, I mean, that was a big part of it.

Josh: But the thing is, I think that people sell, like especially fucking Biggest Loser and shit sell that. I know that there's so many, you know, overweight people who'll spend hours in the gym and they're not willing, they're not changing their food stuff where they can go, they can do an 8, they could outrun me, they could do all that sort of shit, but they're still overweight because they're not changing that thing. So, If 70% of it is, you know, they say, what is it like 70% of it is food, 15% is exercise and 15% is sleep. Like as an estimate, right? Do you believe in that or no?

Tommy: It's not bad.

Josh: So, 15%, like if 15% is exercise, surely, especially with my plans to travel, surely there's a way that I can create a system that I personally works where I don't have to pay someone money.

Tommy: Yeah, but again, it's like you're looking at your case, which is unique to you, and there's so many aspects of your life and what you do that's unique to you.

Josh: So, so then are there PTs that specialize? I reckon if PT said similar to an osteo where it's like the idea is that you shouldn't need me eventually, I feel like PTs are like the fucking chiro industry where it's like, you understand that you have a business thing and you're not going to survive if you do that. But, and that's exactly why I don't want to engage.

Tommy: Here's the thing, right? Me as a personal trainer, when I was 20 years old, 21 years old, right? I had some clients that had no results. I had some clients that got lots of results. I had some clients that got average results, right? Here's the thing. There's people at different times of their journey that are more reciprocal to some information. So some were listening to me and some weren't. And maybe it was my communication style and maybe they went somewhere else, they'd find someone who offers something better. But other clients got good results.

Josh: The thing is, though, if we compare it to the video industry, it's being a video person who can actually impart— impart is another word— impart information and say, hey, this is what you need to do. Buy this camera, do this, get set up and do it yourself. Versus doing, like having to be there the whole time. And maybe that's not a great business model, but that's what I need personally. I don't wanna spend, like I hate crowds. I don't wanna work it. I don't wanna be in a fucking yoga studio with other people. But at the same time, I don't wanna spend $250 on a personal yoga Pilates session.

Tommy: You were finding the out of everything you do. You don't like crowds, you don't like gyms, you don't like subscriptions, you don't like being told what to do.

Josh: You know I love subscriptions. You love subscriptions but not exercise-wise. I like what I want to know is the, if we take the circuit, what they would do for a circuit and say, okay, let's do that in your room. Yeah. Let's do that in your bedroom.

Tommy: Chances are you're not doing it in your room. That's the fucking reality of it. But if you don't, cause no one does. Why would, why would anyone do it in the room? I'm a motivated fitness, fitness person.

Josh: Fuck it, here we go.

Tommy: But I'm not going to fucking do shit in my room. I go to the gym because when I rock up, I'm doing a workout.

Josh: That's because you've been set up as a gym person.

Tommy: Not necessarily. I found what worked for me. Me, I've done everything, man.

Josh: But I think the thing is that I think what has worked for me has been eating a low caloric diet along with medium grade exercise, like fast walking.

Tommy: Fast walking?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: So you need something more than fast walking?

Josh: Yeah, so what I've realised is I've plateaued. I've realised that, okay, now I need to build some muscle, but I don't wanna go to a fucking gym. How do I do it? Just to answer that, that's a really good creative.

Tommy: But it's not because you've outlined all the things that you could do, a circuit in your room going—

Josh: So what does that look like?

Tommy: You'd have to map it out, but you— there is so many limitations to doing something in a room. A lot of the time, life and fucking— it's about doing what you don't want to do.

Josh: I don't think— I think it's so fucking dumb that we spend money on gym memberships to go into our fucking cars and drive to then, especially cardio. I mean, you would agree that cardio is fucking dumb at a gym.

Tommy: I think it's fine. So my, my—

Josh: Getting on a treadmill versus walking this or running the same fucking distance. Yeah.

Tommy: But then the other way of looking at it is, are you going to do it or are you not going to do it? Cause if going to the gym means you'll do it versus being at home.

Josh: I think for me a gym adds an extra barrier.

Tommy: Yeah, but the guy who said, the guy who said, that he likes walking, it's the only thing he can do, fast-paced walking, just criticise people for going to the gym to do cardio.

Josh: No, because the thing is that I think that for me personally, it's okay. The things I think about when I go to the gym, alright, walking in, fuck, I've got the first intro, got the welcome. Alright, the person's gonna be nice to me, fuck, whatever. Am I gonna build a rapport with them? Do I need to speak to them? How much do I say hello?

Tommy: See, overthinking it already.

Josh: Exactly. But so the thing is, I fucking love having my sunglasses on and going for a walk because it feels comfortable for you.

Tommy: That's the only reason. And the half of the thing about exercise, weight resistance training, is it's uncomfortable. Everything about it's uncomfortable. You're burning energy you don't want to. It's making you feel a bit yucky inside.

Josh: You know, we've spoken for 36 minutes. I haven't done my 5-minute signal. Anyway, Fuck gyms. Maybe, maybe you've never invited me to your gym.

Tommy: You can come to my gym. You just gotta pay.

Josh: Yeah, I'll fucking pay. I know you don't fucking own the gym. So if I, I'm putting this forward on a public—

Tommy: Mate, you can. And the thing is, I empathise with people who don't like gyms.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: What I know about gyms are when you're there, you're going to be doing something.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: So something's better than nothing. So if you're the guy that does fuck all, go to the gym because you're in an environment where you'll most likely do something that's better than that nothing.

Josh: So, so let me put this to you. You go to the gym 4 times a week or something in the morning. Yeah. I meet you there every day. You, Tommy Dale, me, we'll hang out and we'll go to the gym. Are you cool with me joining you at the gym?

Tommy: Sure, it's fine.

Josh: Okay, right. And so I'll be able to do the same sort of shit? Like, how do we, how do we take someone who's been doing You know, Tommy D's probably been doing the gym for 40 years. How do we— How do we—

Tommy: You see, here's the thing, you probably won't like it and you've got to realise that you're not going to like it, but what it's doing for you is really good. So I could point out 5 machines, that, do that, that, go.

Josh: Okay, all right.

Tommy: See, the thing is—

Josh: Is there anything— So if I sign up to a fucking membership tomorrow—

Tommy: You can get a 6-month, you're not going away.

Josh: Yeah, so if I'm signing up for a membership tomorrow, at your gym and I'm going to do it 4 times a week. Is there anything that I need to know right now before I fucking sign up so the same shit doesn't happen where it always ends in me trolling the gym on Facebook because they're charging me a fucking cancellation fee?

Tommy: You'll troll them because that's what gyms do, but you'll at least get something out of it.

Josh: Okay. All right. Well, that was the Daily Talk Show. You're sounding good. You don't sound sick, so that's great. Remember, you can send us mail, PO Box 400, Abbotsford, Victoria 3067.

Tommy: No one's sending us mail.

Josh: Not yet anyway.

Tommy: I hope so.

Josh: It would be fun. We'll read it on air. And we've got our YouTube channels. Tommy's at youtube.com/tommyjacket.

Tommy: YouTube.com/joshdanson.

Josh: That's for me. Yeah, great. Thanks, everyone. Have a good—

Tommy: He's not that funny. Look at his channel.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, that's true. I'm not funny. And this is the problem. Do I be funny on YouTube? Who fucking knows? We'll catch you tomorrow. See you guys. Bye-bye.