EP 980
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:00] Very low barrier to get into the wrong spot.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:07] We've committed to do the daily talk show for 10 years. I had guys
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:11] in the calendar
Josh Janssen: [00:00:13] just like to check the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:16] story.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:19] It's the daily talk show episode 980.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:27] Oh, it's shooting. It's a Tuesday, Tuesday. This show is like, we're doing it from an, uh, you know, an elderly person's home. Surprised every time I'm fucking this. So pumped it's bingo, but they know it's bingo. Like every Thursday is bingo, but we forget that
Josh Janssen: [00:00:44] we finished. I forget which one, but could I get the jacket
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:48] jelly belly pass
Josh Janssen: [00:00:49] please?
Okay. So just has a, uh, A watermelon. It's the watermelon naturally and artificially flavored. You want to have both sugar-free gum? Can I just say I'm in Melbourne? Handshaking is back in.
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:04] Oh, my hugging. It's all. It's all there.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:07] I feel like this is what it must be like. What it feels like for people who have casual sex, who don't use a condom, don't you think like, it feels a bit naughty.
Do you agree? Or no?
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:21] Yeah, I can. I can speak from experience. It's uh, yeah, it's real naughty. And you're dodging a bullet. Has your, um, wow. I can smell away way like two meters away from each other. At 1.8 to be precise at desk is 1.9. I can smell it from here, dude. That's the
Josh Janssen: [00:01:39] chewing gum watermelon down calories.
It's good.
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:41] It's a five calories. That's what we need to work out.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:45] Yeah. I mean, even if you spit it out five cows
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:49] and nine swallowing, it it's made a great point because we can, you're not chewing it to completion. Like you don't chew it until there's nothing there. You're chewing it. So the sugar would break down and then go into the system.
But how many. Sugar-free, but then where's the calories. How you get these? I mean, my son would swallow this. It's the alcohol two grams of alcohol. How many? Um, there's the per gram of alcohol. There's, uh, there's a calorie amount, uh, learned that in. We pay T dies, you know? Yeah. Anyway, I'll try one. Um, it's uh, yeah, I mean, many people watching them at Dave Ella video that were in his eyes from, um, uh, blown away that.
We're close to each other. Americans tend to be blown away that we're close to each other. I'll tell you what. What's nice though, having that freedom, being able to be near people. We had some friends over some neighbors over on, um, Sunday night and we had a campfire out in the backyard bonfire and there was some nice bonfire banter.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:57] Oh yeah. How many people
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:58] around the fire? 48. How many really? There was four adults, two children. Okay. Uh, our kid, their kid. We got some pizzas. That's fine. It's really nice. It's really nice. Got the big marshmallows. Got a shit. No marshmallows. Well, I sort of forgot mash life and it was kind of in you'd like it, uh, but Bodie keeps up with this seven year old.
So bodies' four just turned four, but he's got the goal of a seven year old firecracker, seven year old. And so they're a good combo. What do they do? Just play hard imaginary games, monster trucks that both got the same monster truck that you bought are gray with got megla dawns and, um, any
Josh Janssen: [00:03:42] issues with the remotes.
No interfering, not now,
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:46] but they go, did you worry? Uh, no. I just worry. Birdie sort of gets a bit bored of stuff and just throws the controller down or like, he's not connecting. I mean, it's like flying a drone a four year old flying a drone. Would you trust him
Josh Janssen: [00:04:01] with a four
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:02] year old? I mean, I'm the one who has crushed it.
What are you looking at on your phone? Oh, I'm getting up some of these banter. So the banter around the fire, bushfire, bushfire bonfire banter, um, This was great. We were talking about kids that don't eat vegetables. Where are you? One of them
Josh Janssen: [00:04:18] was a potato family. Well, carbs
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:22] potatoes, nuts and vegetables.
Like w w when you think veggie, you think in healthy potato is just. You know, if you were, if you got called a potato, not good. If you got caught a broccoli, not that often,
Josh Janssen: [00:04:36] I lost a bunch of white as a kid, just eating the salads to sell a light dressing. It gives you a sense of where I was at. It's more about the crew tons.
And it was about the idea,
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:48] you know? Well, there's information dropped around the bonfire that I hadn't fact checked, but I fucking loved it. And it was that, um, there's a evolutionary reason as to why children don't like green vegetables. Oh, that's great. Yeah. And so she kind of went into this and I was like, Fucking, I hope this is true.
This is amazing.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:07] It sounds like one of those facts that you would read in the book, why men have nipples? Is there a ball game? I own it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:15] You have that? Why do men have nipples?
Josh Janssen: [00:05:18] I believe you look it up. Can you look it up or I can just tell you what I'll tell you what it is. It's it's just, um, I think we all start as women.
Women were
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:30] being made up. Yeah, I think I have heard of something like that about when you're looking at the scan, the scan. I don't
Josh Janssen: [00:05:39] know if that's yeah. I mean, I think that that's got somebody to do with the newest, so it's sort of,
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:43] yeah. Anyway. Interesting. Interesting. So throughout human evolution, plants have been essential to human existence.
The study says that defense and survival mechanisms, teaching humans not to grab dangerous plants, could be why children are reluctant to eat leafy green vegetables. So when you're out in the wild, there's all these appealing grain things. The thing about being in the wild, you don't know what to eat.
Poison berries, berries, I'm blown away. I'll tell you who would know Leveson the Explorer. He would know what berries he could eat, what you could trust and would as well. Who's Triston.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:20] The how to raid water guy and, um, trust. And I saw that, um, Leveson interest and follow each other on social media. And I,
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:27] yeah, bear Grylls knows.
Um, who else? Uh, what was his name? Um, Oh, back in the day, I used to have his vase, VHS tape, not Steve Irwin, Bush Taka, man. I mean, I feel
Josh Janssen: [00:06:42] like such a top dog when I just peak basil or mint out of our garden and I ate it. It feels like a real top dog. Move on your
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:49] food. No,
Josh Janssen: [00:06:51] just like pick it up and eat it
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:53] too.
Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:06:55] Yeah, no, you've never done that.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:58] Basil basil basil basil is nice. What's the other one. You have
Josh Janssen: [00:07:03] mint, right? That they grow quite rapidly. It's crazy.
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:08] I've never been more annoyed. It's quite petty to be annoyed of, but when you get a mint ice cream and it's real mint. Yeah. You want that fake mint? Yeah.
What are the,
Josh Janssen: [00:07:22] what are the. The flavors that tastes better
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:25] in the fake banana. I love it. Nasty,
Josh Janssen: [00:07:31] um, a natural confectionary company, or even you want to go real naughty. What happened to Starburst? Like Starbursts were still around, but that was a big, like, I remember when I discovered Starburst lollies as a kid.
Yeah. The, you know, you'd have the chewy ones where you actually have to wrap them.
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:48] They're still available. That's the thing. They just haven't had a Starburst that's open for you.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:53] Don't you think? No. So stabbers jelly versions as well, but I just feel like there was a real moment where I discovered Starburst and it was a lot like.
The hands were very much sort of like you chew it and then you sort of your mouth explodes. And so I just remember that, but they had a very green Apple Lee sort of one, and I love the taste of fake Apple. Yep. Anything else? That's um, uh, what about heaven? Heaven? What's heaven, blue heaven, blue heaven, blue
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:21] heaven.
That's that's the, is that not the con of like it being another flavor? You know, um, all paddle pops. Uh, caramel. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Pedal pop rainbow is caramel. Yeah. Yeah. So isn't that? Should they just call
Josh Janssen: [00:08:37] blue heaven? Asthma? Yeah. Anything boy gives
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:43] you asthma red velvet cake. You know what cake that is? What do you mean?
Do you know what cake that is? Do you know what actual flavor cake it's got cream cheese on top. Yeah, it's got cream cheese on top, but I think it's, I'm pretty sure it's just a chocolate cake died really well. That's outrageous. Amy makes them and yeah, there's a lot of dye in that. Okay. And so that's
Josh Janssen: [00:09:08] not worth having the red and just having sort of your classic chocolate.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:12] Well, now there's something about the red look, red velvet cake. You would have been in New York or LA when you were trying to get some red braille red velvet. Do you remember when it came out? It's like 2012, 20, 2011. You think red? No, no, no, no. Not when it came out, but when it was really popular, you'd try and get, like, there was a few cake shops that were known.
There's a red velvet cupcake shop in New York city. It was like the place to go in East village or something like that. And so it's not that it, in my mind, it came out in 2012. Of course, it's fucking, it's funny.
Josh Janssen: [00:09:46] Do you know what, do you know what 2012? It was, it was fro yo in 2012 pink
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:50] Berry pink Berry.
That was huge. And then it made its way to, um, when I was feeling a bit depressed, the other way go into, um, I went to a what's it called? Cookie place, Dan and the, not that depressed fro yo. Okay. The fro-yo place in Melbourne. You're suppressed. That's looking after yourself. Well, it's um, it's masking depression.
Like if you want to chain walking out of the cheesecake factory with
Josh Janssen: [00:10:15] the whole cheesecake shop here
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:17] and cheesecake shop walking out with a whole cheesecake for yourself. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:21] Pretty now I've done. We got half, half. Yeah, I know. Smashed it. That was not a good time in our life, but I went there.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:29] I went there and I, um, it was nice.
It's in Hawthorne and it, and it was pumping. It was absolutely heaving for like a Thursday night. And I was probably like Yoshi, Yoshi. Yeah. It's like 9:00 PM. And I walked in and this COVID protocol. I mean, it's like, uh, they've got it down to a T you gotta either wash your hands. Um, sanitize your hands, walk up, get it going.
And yeah. They fucking pulled me up. I got called out. So I'm, I'm filling up my staff. Like I'm laughing at the kid who had his mom's credit card. Who's fill these he's he's fill these things out with about a kilo of the frozen yogurt before you do the topics. And we all know that that's going to be $74 50,
Josh Janssen: [00:11:17] the top toppings.
Is normally the scam. So it's normally like you're heavy. You want to go for the lighter things you don't want to, you're better off getting a packet of Tim Tams and putting a Tim to, if you put a team in Tam, that's in Kent, Tam is costing. Absolutely.
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:33] Absolutely. So it's all by weight. And so anyway, I filled up and I grabbed one, one of these little things off my, off my own.
I put in my mouth. And I like fumbled a bit and the woman was watching me and I had my, I had my AirPods in, because you know, when you're kind of like a bit down, you just fucking want to drown out the world and listen to, you know, Oh, this is some music and get some ice cream. You don't want to talk to people at that point.
Yeah. So I didn't want to talk to anyone and then I'm will do the right thing. And I'm just like, what? So I didn't hear what she said, but she said something to me. And then she's like, can you go wash your hands over there and come back? Basically, he's just telling me to go sanitize. Cause I touch my mouth, which is good.
There's good things that she was.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:21] Was that her being passive aggressive based on you eating some of the food because
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:26] it's like, you know, There's nothing more empowering when you, when someone has done the wrong thing, think about driving in the commute line that you need to have more than one person in the car express and the power you feel when you come up behind that car.
And you'll fucking just seeing that one solo driver in the commute line and you just like that just plays. And so you don't even need to be angry. But there's something passive about telling someone off when you're right. It's a bit smug or, yeah, there's
Josh Janssen: [00:12:58] definitely, I think that, um, you see that back in the day when we would fly and someone would be in the frequent flyers line, but like, they're sort of waiting there, but they don't have the, um, then they don't have status, but I always, I always felt sort of.
Self-conscious about the whole process of sort of moving in front of people, but you can bet I do that. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:27] And when you felt powerful or you felt like now,
Josh Janssen: [00:13:30] I feel like if that is what you need to feel powerful, something.
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:35] I actually, I disagree with you. I think the only reason people fuck with status is.
It's in the name, status status. Your ability to go up first is playing into it. Yes. Status is it's power within that setting. Not saying you're, you're not a guy who's looking for power. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:13:54] No, but it's
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:54] a, um, it's no, the difference is when you, when you think that you have the right to then tell if somebody who hasn't got what you have, cause then that's a bit of.
That's like, I mean, I, someone who flies first, we'd give a fuck. They've got so much money that they like. They've actually disengaged from the, the, the plebs and they're fucking doing their thing. And I'm one of them, but isn't it. Well, the first class got
Josh Janssen: [00:14:20] the plate. It isn't so much of this relating to FOMO.
So I think about it like, um, I've never really been a guy that wants to own a house, but then you see people talking about it. It's like you got to get in. Um, uh, you know, you've got to get in now. Uh, our client, uh, has a great podcast, the numbers game, a hot accountant. He's he's on the definitely go check it out.
And they're talking about getting a house and I feel like I get a bit of FOMO where I'm like, Hang on. I didn't care about they spit. Now all of a sudden, I sort of feel a bit on edge. Like I'll fuck them. Like maybe, maybe I should, or, I mean, you're the guy that in the past two weeks has bought some
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:04] crypto.
Yeah. I mean, if there's a, if there's a guy that should be kicking himself at, he didn't buy a crypto, it's me. Cause my base, because my best mate had a crypto business. He had something called Bitcoin easy. He's been buying Bitcoins. Bitcoin is in 2029, 2009, 2011, maybe 11. Anyway, he was buying it when it was 200, 800 bucks a coin and he's bought plenty.
He won't tell me how many easy he's got. I always fucking rib him up, but he, um, the thing is I should have bought it back then. And so we were just out for lunch the other week and I was like, man, come on. Like, um, the thing is he's so into it. He knows a lot about it and he researches a shit load because I'm the Gronk that comes in saying, I want what you want.
Yeah. What you got. Yeah. Give me some of what you got. And I always say, man, what'd you give me a Bitcoin, can you just kick us a few? Anyway, he's never doing that. But I asked him what, what he would recommend. And I, and I've asked him a bunch of times and he's so helpful. Sends me links to people to follow sends me links to information, sends me links to the right, um, thing, places to set up your, your, your wallets.
Um, and so I was just like, Oh, I almost bought Bitcoin. No, I almost bought crypto. I don't know what I was going to buy. I literally had the website open in probably 2016, like doing it all. And then I was like, fuck it. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:16:30] So you think all these stories, like even when we start talking about investing.
There's just so much a Dick swinging that happens that I just can't
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:38] no, if it's coming from the people that actually do this well,
Josh Janssen: [00:16:42] like it's constant, like having conversations with people who don't have any money who were saying what you should do with your money. I know that like the classic
thing.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:53] I, yeah, I know.
And so that's what I'm saying about my mate. Who's got crypto, lots of it. He's just a nerd for it. And that's why he's won or he's, he's got ahead because he's not, he's actually in it for the long-term it doesn't, it's like, he's not planning on just palming it all and moving to fucking Spain. But how
Josh Janssen: [00:17:11] do you learn?
Because we're talking about all different stuff and I'm asking about like tax and then we'll talking about investing. And I was like looking up about franking credits and like, you know, buying stocks overseas, but I catch myself. When I talk about it, it's like, like we're all just making the shit out.
Like w you know, there's some things that , there are some things that it's like, it's good learning, but also I just can't help, but feel like an absolute wanker talking about this stuff.
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:45] Yeah. I mean, are you actually an investor until you've lost a bunch of cash because that's what. Hmm. You're saying it's like punting, right?
It's like my uncle, I remember him buying Telstra shares years ago and it tanked, I tanked. And so I'm sure he's made some other wise investments. He's a smart guy, but smart people also lose in this space. And my mate who's got Bitcoin, had them at 800 bucks, had them at 30 grand. They went back down, you know, like to very low and he's held them.
And so. There's a bunch of people who will be in the surplus have gone so far ahead that they like them losing. Isn't a huge deal, but it's also a part of the game. If your investing will be part of the game. But I think I bought, so he's tip was polka dot on poker dot polka POL polka.dot is the a little, you know what you'd look for dot anyway, I just bought.
5.5 dot and they'd cheap, but it's like, I'm just fucking around and it's nice to fuck around. And, and, and as my mate says to me, don't invest anything that you can't, you're not okay with losing, cause that w for any camp at the house. Wow. Cause you don't have, you can't take anything from me. Cause I got that.
It's liberating, dude. Yeah. If we've got a podcast studio, we, we would, we bet the podcast. No, but
Josh Janssen: [00:19:13] this is that. Yeah. It's, it's um, it's interesting because I think it is good to, to learn about stuff. Yeah. But you can get into the, the comparison, like it's so tempting to how many people. Can relate to this.
There's a news article site. So there's a news article and it's, um, how much superannuation you should have and you look at how
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:37] much, yeah. Based on age brackets, it's based on many things. Right.
Josh Janssen: [00:19:41] And then you started going and you compare, you're like, Oh shit, I'm short or I've got more. And so there is an element.
I feel like human nature, you just don't want to be doing the worst.
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:55] Well, it's nice to, well, you're blending in if you're not, if you're not doing the worst or you're not doing the best to stand out, it comes with a lot of pressure, a lot of, uh, in, um, hell yes or no, Derek, Sivers Derek Sivers, he's talking about the exchange.
Like the, if you want to be famous, there's an exchange. Yeah. If you want to be rich. There's an exchange that you need to, like, it's probably not much time for anything else other than what you're trying to do. Athletes look at that. And so there is trade-offs and so being in the middle is the trade-off that you won't be, you know?
Well, yeah, where I've, where I've been hiding is that
Josh Janssen: [00:20:35] this is the thing. So I was thinking about it. It's like, okay, if you don't do anything about your finances, That seems like you just putting your head in the sand. And so there is a version, but then I'm like, I don't want to get into the hype. So where I've landed is in the index funds, the ETF staff, where it's like you buying into a bunch of companies with a single stock.
And then the idea is you hold it for a long period.
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:00] Hmm. And there's smart people looking after
Josh Janssen: [00:21:02] all of the, of the index funds or whatever that like the, the funds are managing it all. So you pay a small. Yeah. 0.4% or whatever,
Tommy Jackett: [00:21:13] and just thinking about it, if you're not into your finances and your thirties or forties, there's going to be a time that you're almost like I look at my parents, they, uh, uh, probably, um, being.
Responsible with their retirement and the money that they've been able to make over their life, but it requires energy towards it because there's, there has to like, unless you've just somehow made so much money that you just retiring, not thinking about retirement. If there comes a time where you will have to think about retirement, I'm not there yet.
You're not there yet. That's why we make silly decisions and take our risks. But by the time it comes around that you're, you're considering what's in your super, because you need to understand how much you have and do you need to be on the pension? And, um, is it a mix of the pension and superannuation that we pulley?
It's all a bit scary, dude. And that's why I think it is a motive. Money is such an emotive topic because it. Like you said, uh, your relationship with houses, which is money, you know, it's, it's attached to making money and having the money to pay it down. And people's relationship with debt, not wanting to buy a house.
It's too scary.
Josh Janssen: [00:22:27] It's so living within your mains, because then you have, um, you know, like if you want to buy, most people can't afford where they want to live. And so then it becomes this whole thing around. Investing, but it might
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:41] tell me about rent vesting. Yeah. Well, you buy, what is it? You rent where you want to live.
You buy, well, you
Josh Janssen: [00:22:48] can afford, which makes sense. Like the thing is I, um, lifestyle, it's interesting. I, when it comes to retirement, so in Australia we have super where, you know, there's, what's the percentage again with
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:00] nine right now, it's going to get up to 12 and a half. Yeah. And
Josh Janssen: [00:23:03] so in the U S they have the 401k,
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:06] it's not mandatory.
Yeah. So there's so you have
Josh Janssen: [00:23:10] to sort of
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:11] set it up yourself. The super bonus of superannuation is you're forced. If your employee employers are forced to pay it, which is good. Yeah. Because then it's sale, but you can't access it. The thing of
Josh Janssen: [00:23:24] like, I can't even think about, like, I know retirement is part of it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:28] Retirement is an age because it's just for, if we're, if we're talking and what I'm talking about is retirement connecting to you. Super. You can access that money from 65. But then, and so you can, like, my mom still works, but also is, uh, gets the pension based on her age. And, and it's all based on your income to the changes that, right?
Like the amount of your pension it's, it's gone. Like that's her life position where she's thinking about that. I just want, you're not there when you're
Josh Janssen: [00:23:59] there. I would prefer to at the age of 40 have options where it's like, okay, maybe I could. Do this, or do that, um, rather than like, I think that that's an especially rating four hour work week back in the day, that was the whole thing, which is like, why work your ass off until you are sick and old and then re retire and, and, um, travel.
Why not do that in your prime when you can, you know, you still have your physical
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:31] health. Yeah, dude. I mean, it's, it's interesting that it's like, Every day, you're getting closer to the end, which is why I like how important health is as you get older. And it's more important as you are getting older. Well, I was thinking,
Josh Janssen: [00:24:48] I was thinking, thinking about finances and saying, okay, I'm putting in this money into something I'm going to hold it for a long period of time.
It does get me actually thinking about health and things like that because all of a sudden, if you're. Doing something that is only going to serve you in 15 years, it does sort of change your perspective a little bit. It's like, okay, well maybe I should also make sure that I'm like eating a bit better.
Well, it was just sort of
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:17] weird. I mean, thinking about wheels and then you got life insurance for you. If you have a will. No, not yet.
Josh Janssen: [00:25:27] Um, still need to fucking do my ambulance thing. I'll do that after this.
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:32] Two days later, see how far we get. No action. Very simple to do.
Josh Janssen: [00:25:39] I literally just have to click on it and then just put in my bank details.
Yeah. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:43] Uh, all scary topics. Um, but the reality is you, you you'll be fucking 50 tomorrow. You, I mean, you want to be actually one university might be, but it feels like that. It feels like yesterday I was 21 day. Yeah, I'm fucking 32.
Josh Janssen: [00:26:03] But then also think about like, when you're investing all of a sudden you're in this mindset where it's like, okay, where will Apple, Facebook, Google, like, where will these companies be in 15 years?
And then like, I go through this like, crisis where I'm like, Maybe like everything's different. And then I think about war and then before, you know what, I'm reading an article about the South China sea, and I'm getting really
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:29] scared. That's hot topic at the moment. Yeah. What is going on there? Do you know anything?
Josh Janssen: [00:26:35] Russia starting to mound. Okay. I don't know enough to really go into it, but all I know is. We should be scared. Yeah, because fear is the fuel of life
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:48] who said that I didn't Josh Chan,
Josh Janssen: [00:26:51] George George fear is the fuel of life,
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:56] or it stops evidence appearing real. Think about how much,
Josh Janssen: [00:27:01] uh, how often you are in a state of fear.
Or that you're making decisions
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:07] based on fear. I think it's hard to necessarily know that you're making them based on fear other than well,
Josh Janssen: [00:27:16] I'm always, literally fear of missing out. So anything that's fine. Well, if you to
Tommy Jackett: [00:27:21] look at fear, it's thought it's, it's, it's your mind thinking about stuff, whether it's what could happen.
What has happened previously or it's it's, it's I'm processing what is about to happen. So it's like real time. So like real fear when you're on the edge of a plane and the doors come off and it's a flight to Sydney and you're not doing bungee Jew. You're not doing skydiving. And it's you're it's shit has hit the fan.
That's like, uh, so you can find the moments in life that are. Um, they're warranting fear. Some pulls a knife on you in Australia. Yeah. It makes sense. It all, all the information is there for you to go fucking in trouble. But outside of that, It's all thinking about if a spider walks on me, it could bite me.
So even at that point, but even for people that have a fear of long daddy, long legs, that despise that can't buy it, but they look weird and freaky, urban, not bad, not bad at all, you could play with them. But so technically it is your mind thinking, constructing that panic. And then it's a visceral response that your body's having.
There is some kind of chemical release. But you can be fearful at night, safe at home, closing your eyes and thinking about stuff that could happen. Yeah. And so then it's like, at that point for me, I love the, I love the understanding that I have. I don't know how to hand, necessarily work with it in its entirety, but understanding that it is just thoughts.
So you can empower it or you can pull the power from it when you are observing it as just thought.
Josh Janssen: [00:29:14] Well, I think that that was even like doing things like the investing stuff. I feel like you get into a state of like, Oh, like you're making these big decisions or things are happening, but then if you then reframe it.
Where I'm like, Oh, I've got enough. I've actually gotten, like, in regards to, from a life perspective, I have a roof over my head. I have food. I have all of the things like, and so that's like the, um, I think that it is so easy to fall into the trap trap of not having enough. And when you don't have enough, that's when the fear comes on.
That's when it's like, Well, what am I going to do? If I don't have enough, I need to need to do stuff. But then I think about what I want and it's things like fulfillment and less stress, like it's, it's not connected to the th those things that can be pushed upon us. And so, so wait, like the keeping up with the Joneses thing.
It's so easy, but I've seen like heaps of friends who are really well-off and successful and they don't buy in to that culture. They don't buy the fancy cars. They don't all that sort of stuff. And it's like, you have so many options when you choose not to play the game. That is sometimes very tempting because it's, it's, that's like culture.
That's what society is sort of projecting. Hmm.
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:40] And you can say that when you have nothing, this limited options. Yeah. So it's, how do you, where do you land? But then also
Josh Janssen: [00:30:46] like, like, uh, cars, like, I think about, um, buying a Tesla, it's like, Oh, when would I buy a Tesla? Like, and then I think that's like, you don't need like the car.
And I even, um, I made, uh, Jack post bought a Tesla. I was talking to him about it and he's like, Oh, you get, you just sort of get used to it. It just feels like driving. You're out of the car eventually. And so that's, I felt that that was interesting. Remember my torch, remember how my, how excited I was about the torch.
Think about how
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:19] much you seize Tesla more than you've used.
Josh Janssen: [00:31:23] Think about how
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:26] stupid shit in my life, and then forgot about it pretty quickly. But I was very convinced.
Josh Janssen: [00:31:30] Horcher was like such a big part of my life for like a month. I literally carried it everywhere that went. It's like, I haven't turned the torch on, in, like, you're
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:39] a weird kid that you're a weed kid.
Josh Janssen: [00:31:41] So anyway, but like there's a lesson in that. Isn't there you think about like, thinking about the socks. So think about the excitement I had on my Merino wool socks, and then you get him. I'm actually like thinking about what would have happened with the maple syrup. I couldn't
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:57] consume that amount of maple syrup.
Well, mate, I could have told you any of the things you've got excited about the cups or the
Josh Janssen: [00:32:04] yellow cup. They're definitely serving. They're great. They are. But I feel that, um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:10] when you sip out of them, I do. I do a lot of the cups. There's some announcements coming soon. Anyway, that's a, that's been a fun Tuesday.
I didn't
Josh Janssen: [00:32:20] have the second one extra. Did
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:22] you? No, I didn't. We'll take it, take it out. Um, uh, smells minty lasting flavor and it's called smooth mint. Okay. That's good. All right. Oh, wow. Uh, love you guys. Have a good one. We'll say tomorrow. Take care. Bye.