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The Daily Talk Show Episode 723. And this is a two parter with two deals. We've got three day deal from Canada who you will know did an internship at the daily talk show. Yeah, about this time last year. And then we cross over to deal tags photos, youtuber podcaster photographer who we've had interactions with online, but it was great to finally meet him and have a chat with him. So this is Episode 723. With deal and deal we've got quite a deal in the building. Series.

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Hey, baby.

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Careful.

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Very careful, mate. what's what's the time in Canada right now?

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10:01am I woke up about 30 minutes ago. That's a bad. That'd be nice. No, no. Is it Friday? Yeah, it's Friday.

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Isn't it? Yeah, it's Friday.

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It's Friday, I was gonna have a beer. But I figured I just

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keep a balanced diet. Yeah, appreciate. Yeah. Right. What are you doing?

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What we're doing here? What do you have to deal?

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I'm a whole lot of nothing really. Like I'm done school.

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I can't really go out and apply for new jobs because of this whole isolation thing. So kind of laying low, just focusing on cleaning up all my school stuff and

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finding ways to not go crazy. Yeah, do you finding that you could go a bit crazy? Like is it taking a little bit of a toll?

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Can you can you hear me? It's gone crazy. He's gone crazy.

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Can you hear us do is he's absolutely lost it. Yeah, yeah, I can hear you now.

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There we go. Gotcha class. Yeah. Do you feel like it like from a mental health perspective at one from a one to 100 How do you feeling?

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One to 100? I'd say I feel like a 90 of it hasn't been I've tried them. I've tried to make the best of the situation that we've had. Like knowing that it's gonna be a long time I think is for me anyway makes it easier to kind of settle in and just grind on a bunch of personal projects per se. Rather than not knowing when it's

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I don't really mind

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the time sheet

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Quintin

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here we're gonna come inside real quick. Until I do have a quick question. Why are you outside?

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Cuz

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I liked it. I think he can now go into a different, different internet now. Wi Fi.

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Crap. Here we go. There we go.

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What's,

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what's the coffee mug? Is there some significance with the coffee mug?

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I got it for free and it's black so it matches

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Is it a mug? Looks like a motorcycle club or something. 76 isn't it's a trek bicycles, which is an American bike company ramble.

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Yeah, they've got a we've got a bike shop just down the street. So I've used I've used that

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I've got a track bike myself, so Yeah, awesome. And how's the 3d printing going? You doing any 3d printing?

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Not at this school. I burned through about like eight kilograms of printer filament since since finishing school, and it's all backordered on Amazon and it's so hard to get because everybody's buying it now for their 3d printers. Because they're 3d printing like hair nets for face masks and light

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Not for frontline workers. So which is good because they're getting use, but it's almost impossible to find material for it now.

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The 3d printer. Where is it? Is it right underneath my bed? Yeah, I brought it home. It's underneath my desk covered and covered in cardboard so it doesn't get broken. And so you're doing much traveling? Yeah, gone. TJ I just wanted to I you living back at home with mom and dad.

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Yep, I'm in Mom. Mom and Dad's house now.

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I'm out of that little shoe box in Toronto.

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I mean, that was that was an underground lay. That thing was it

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was a cave.

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Can we?

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Yeah, here we go. This

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is my little sister. It's my mom. Hi.

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Howdy. Hey, going here.

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Because we've got our we've got our monster cat, Rosie. Rosie. Rosie is always liking all our Instagram content. I appreciate it. Yeah, it's crazy.

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Instagram.

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She's all around.

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And so what do you how you keep him busy till

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I've been able to work on, like my own personal portfolio in the time that we've had off, which has been nice because it's almost impossible to do during school time just because there's like there's so much work involved in it and you don't want to have a bad portfolio.

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So I've been able to do that and just

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find find ways to kill time really, like I got, um, I got a Skillshare membership, because they were doing like two months free. And it's it's, it's really good actually. I've used that lady another single day like there's

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a lot of stuff around like photos and video.

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I'm learning different software's like, Photoshop, Illustrator, I'm already proficient in, but I've used that, like Skillshare to learn more with Premiere Pro and After Effects. And XD just like a UX software thing.

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How's it? How's the thumb going? Mine? Oh, yeah, can we get a look? It's, it's good. It's recovered for the most part. But if I'm being completely honest, I've had issues with it, like,

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every now and then it kind of just starts twitching and has a spasm, or it'll just completely cramp up and just stop working all together. That's a good little memory. So so it's a little reminder of the of Australia. Oh, okay. So speaking of speaking of the thumb, right, I get an email. I

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think mom just broke the kitchen. I didn't eat an email yesterday. I'm from Alfred hospital.

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Saying, can you pay us the rest of your

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your hospital bill? I'm like, I already paid my hospital bill back in October. Yeah. And they're like, No, you didn't need to pay us again. Like I already paid you. So now we got to call the insurance company and figure out what went wrong and where that money went that I paid. Weird. How much looks like I was at work? Pardon? How much? How much did they want?

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They wanted $580.

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Oh, interesting. And you've already done it already was paid. That's strange. Yeah, like, I didn't have to pay any of it insurance was able to cover it, which is a good thing. But still somewhere along the lines on there and the money has gotten lost, or it hasn't been deposited because the insurance company says it's been paid and they're saying hasn't been paid. So

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in the chat

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3d deal there's there's a few people who weren't watching or listening during the 3d deal era. And so um

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I feel like one of there was, I mean, there was a lot of things that happened in the four months that you were interning with us. But the thing sticks in my mind was the, the memoir that you released and self published through Amazon.

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Yes.

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That was that was a lot. I was wondering, do you have a copy of it? Do you have a copy? I did. Could you could you Yeah, I would love for you to read rate a page. Oh, what page? What's your lucky number?

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Yeah, pick pick a page and I'll read off the page. They got chapters. My eyes are twitching but yeah, not not numbered chapters, kind of like sections. Can you read the different like the section titles or, or chapter titles and then we can basically

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on the mat to just dive in.

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Yes, still have the foreword that you wrote by Joshua. Oh, that was great.

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Let me see here. Okay, so

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there's some there's some curse words in it so my little sister's going to have to leave the room

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going

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fine. So Part one is values, opportunities and bullshit.

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Part two is safe, cozy and comfortable. Part Three is passion paths, passions and permission. Part Four is fear, change and confidence.

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Let's go with fee changing confidence.

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Okay, so within fear, change and confidence

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you have so there's 123. There's four sub sections apart for Josh

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So you've got do the things that scare you.

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If you don't move forward, you'll always be in the same place. craving a challenge and feeling restless. or break up with perfection and focus on yourself. Which one you want me to, to dabble in anything TJ

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first, I just go to the last because I think that's what I just what I'd like to do first is go the first one, I reckon

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that's true.

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Okay, so that's a, that's a screengrab there.

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Oh, Tommy. Oh, man.

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Thank you starts off with you. So do the things that scare you. It's worth it. My mate Tommy jacket asked me recently dill. What's the scariest thing you've done in your life? I was sitting in the backseat of this car driving through regional Victoria.

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I spent a moment racking my brain trying to think we've been

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Talking about our comfort zones. And about the first time that we felt we really stepped outside into the real world. I was a little caught off guard To be honest, I wasn't expecting that kind of a question on an evening drive.

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I had to answer sooner or later as there were three other Sorry, I had to answer sooner or later there were two other people in the car, Mason and Josh.

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I gave my answer and was surprised that I found it hard to come up with some something quickly.

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I took a while to think about it. Truly I'm not bullshitting you. It was tough. I analyzed everything that popped into my head right up to that very moment, then hidden all at once, just like a freight train. For the first time in my life. As I sat in the backseat of a right side draft car in the middle of regional Victoria someplace I never thought I would end up. I was doing something that truly scared me. It wasn't just that distinct moment. It was the days before in the days that were assumed to follow. Moving away from home and living in another country was frankly horrifying.

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From the moment I stepped into the terminal at Pearson International Airport in Toronto, I felt that fear even if it was just a hint hiding in the pit of my stomach, it was there. I was blinded by the mist of adventure and intrigue without fully realizing what I had embarked upon. Up until now. Most people I met along the way, even folks that I sat next to on the plane ride, so that I should be proud of where I was and what I was doing, and how they didn't even know my full story. I had travelers Hi, that much was for sure.

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When Tommy asked that question, the fog settled in front of my face, and I could see clearly, I was living in a new country on another side of the planet with guys that I had met somehow through the internet, all because I heard them on a path on a podcast with the guy who directed a movie, which ultimately ended up changing my life after a serious bout of anxiety.

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It is strange how the world works. Despite all that, I can tell you with confidence that it's absolutely worth it without a debt.

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Every single second that I've been here, every road I've approached with apprehension, every turn in the path or shadow I walk past has been worth it. I can't recommend it enough. If you're young, you've got your whole life ahead of you. Don't waste it on a minimum wage job paying off an education. That's way too overpriced and expensive. Don't neglect the bills and education. You can't let control you go out and see the world and see how other people live their lives.

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That's like a

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that was love. That's so good. Do

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you read it so well? It gave me chills. Thank you. I haven't. I haven't read out loud in a long time. So I'm glad that went over. Well, how does it feel reading reading back that story.

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It feels strange because I can remember specifically, the times when I was writing it, as well as when,

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like the experiences that we were having that I was writing about. I can remember those

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Like that was us driving back from leaton.

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That's right. Yeah, you're driving, driving it's drug run. You're doing drug run is basically airing.

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Yeah, that was good. That was great fun to

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think about that time we drove to bring the big strawberry what a time like to think about crazy what's happened since I was just chatting to you on instead and just going holy shit you it was a year ago that you were here deal. The the amount of stuff has changed in one year. Say that. I remember you said it.

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But I feel like this has been appealing. You say that every year but it's just irrelevant. It's it's all relative, right?

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's shifted. Are you still writing to

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a, I was writing my thesis which took a lot of time but nothing nothing creatively since that now.

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Be creative for a thesis like, is it or is it just live ism? No, you have to be meticulous and correct a lot you have to do like this things like basically 200 pages of just research and note taking and sons and it's quite frankly, it's very annoying. It's awful. Yeah. And so now that you're so, I mean, we we spoke about this time, you know, the eight months or whatever you had before it was all over. Is it all done now is this is the seat?

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Yeah, basically, like from prior to look forward on the horizon of my life, it's kind of just an empty ocean.

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But it's all covered in fog. So there's, there's a, there's a bunch of stuff out there, but I don't really know what it is like, I can't. I can't see to it, especially right now. Yeah. So it's like, it's tricky, but I'm hoping

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That uh something turns around like a year ago today. Right now I was getting ready to drive to the airport to get on the plane to fly to Vancouver. Yeah Wow which is good I remember the goose yeah the goose that I remember moving to the

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wow yeah I remember that that was awful that sucked. Yeah it was it required a bit of yeah a bit of maintenance on the on the engine which which sorts of delays and so is it is it How would you How would you describe the feeling right now is that the you talk about the fog is it uncertainty? Is it an excitement?

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I think it's a bit of both because this whole isolation thing has definitely caused a lot of uncertainty.

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But at the same time I'm excited to be done school like for the first time in my life there's there's no going back to school in September for us here in Canada. Like I won't be going back into an education system.

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At least for the next at least five years, oh, there's that excitement of, okay, like, what's going to happen next? Where am I going to go? But then again, there's also that uncertainty like, will I be able to get a job? Will I be able to pay off the student debt that I have incurred? Will I be able to find a job that I like, first and foremost? So

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like there's, there's there, I'd say there's an equal mix of both uncertainty and excitement. But also, I think it's kind of the same thing with the Australia trip is you have to, like even when I cut my thumb, that sucked, but we were able for the most part to make the best of that situation and not really let it hold a lot of things back.

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So I'm going to try and carry the same principles off with this situation of, even though we're in isolation, and there's limited stuff you can do, there's still stuff from a remote access

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That can be done. So we get a great variety of thumb. We got a basic Oh, isn't?

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Are any of you might have got jobs like, I mean, not that you know where you can even go and get one at the moment based on I mean, design related. No, my sister works at the grocery store up the street and she goes to work like every every day or every other day. But most

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most of my friends don't have jobs now because they would all they all quit their jobs back in September to come back to school. And now that this whole isolation things in place,

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all non essential businesses here are closed and like no one's hiring. And no one's like no one's gonna sit through

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even a social distance interview with you more than anything so

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like everyone, everyone's kind of just on pause. Yeah, for now until something gets so

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I had a couple of late nights A while back in the office. And I was thinking about you and the fact that you spent, you know, four months sleeping in the office. Was it harder than you made it out to be was was it was it a hard experience for you?

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I'd say the first the first three days the office like sleeping at the office were were tricky, because there was all these weird sounds and I couldn't tell if like a junkie was going to break in.

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Having the garbage taken out from the from jinda tired across the street, when it is like 530 in the morning, and it's just a crash of bottles. scared the crap out of me the first time that happened. Afterwards, though, I kind of got used to it.

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Like it, it didn't really bother me. Like I look back at it now and I think how did I go That long? Sleeping on that little

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Like two inch mattress thing, but um yeah

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i mean it's it's not exactly like an ideal situation but we made it work for the time that it was there

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yeah

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I know it tried to be as unobtrusive as possible but I mean

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made it work. I got to sleep yeah

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it's I mean it was our workplace and you did manage to be an intrusive for someone who was living there. I stayed there a couple of months ago for just for a night

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I wasn't in the doghouse. I just wanted to get up early and do some work in the office. But now I did there is the noises right like paper thin walls, but it's the dump truck. It was like 3am that bottle fucking that bottle thing. Georgia Yeah. Now

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and he's he's gonna put in a bit a bit of work on to that

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a two inch mattress tonight he's gonna get some Z's on that thing. Still getting a run deal. Still getting around. Oh, good. I'm glad to hear that.

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And like, yeah, you get the train at night to the train really early in the morning. Mm hmm. Yeah, I do in the comments. Teddy's asking what the title of that book is that you wrote and how can people find it?

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The title of the book is I'm still figuring it out. And it's available on American, Australian and Canadian, Amazon and the UK, I think as well. I still love that cover. It's great. You did such a great job with that. And I also want to say if you've all the gronk you're listening, if you have a daily talk show, hoodie, deal design the logo. What I mean have you seen so many people? Yeah, there you go.

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seeing so many

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loving it.

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It's

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The coolest thing ever to think that like this little like I was thinking about that last night Josh how we were tweaking the vector on like the final days before we finished it and like just changing the alignment and stuff and this little vector on my on my laptop is now being worn by like I don't even know well over 100 people surely Yeah, definitely all across the world like it's, it blows my mind it's weird to comprehend. It's how good is it that Matt D Avella who's who you're talking about, right the filmmaker now he's got. Yeah. And he's willing to do the logo.

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That's wild. I tell myself if I'm having a bad day. I'm like Matt D Avella has a hoodie with artwork that you created on it in his closet right now. So then that, yeah, have you been watching any Netflix or have any recommendations of stuff that you ain't been?

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watches are sterile.

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impressed.

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Ozark was really good Waco, which is like a six episode miniseries on Netflix. It's on Netflix in Canada. I don't know if it is there in Australia was really well done. talks about like the Waco Branch Davidian situation in like the mid 90s. I think it was. And it's great because it's it's unbiased between the FBI and the branch davidians. That was that really good mom and I are watching this show called the 100 right now, which started off really weak, but it's a it's kind of picked up. So I'm always willing to tolerate

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and whenever it was just,

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it was everything you would expect from like a typical low budget, teenage

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TV series, just like cheesy acting. sex sells.

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And you just like, unnecessary?

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No, because it wasn't even like,

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wasn't even nice. It was just it was unnecessary. What does that mean? And no it means what is unnecessary sexified

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like they're in a dropship going down to earth. And this girl is just like dressed scantily and like giving like,

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sexy eyes to some black guy across the dropship that they're in. And like the moment that they crash land onto this nuclear, no spoilers, but the moment that they crash land is nuclear wasteland of Earth. They're like, just trying to go at it. I'm like, Oh, that's just the thing. I don't know. Really. I mean, you may be looking jealous. You know, you're watching with his mom. Let's come on. Yo did Michelle growing up.

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Like, I can't be like

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Get it. Get it.

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Same

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line.

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But yeah, no, it's Yeah, I found it unnecessary. And that's what kind of turned me off from it for the first little bit. I'm like, Yeah, but then like five episodes later, they had like, meaningful sex. I was like, Oh, there you go. See? That's what it's all

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about. Have you heard Mason's catch cry? I don't know for you. But men now moving don't go there. It's, it's Yeah. Oh, no, let's go there.

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You brought it. I mean, I mean, you can but you I mean, your mom's in the room. I know that.

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It's,

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I think

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with the tightness of us all, it's

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you took that really seriously say, look, you can look at your choice. Look, you know, you're an adult. You make your own choices now. So what is the cash price? What is the cash

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cramming you go into it while real man a das Yeah

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that one. Yeah no, I would agree with that.

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Yeah, I do agree with getting to that time.

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I'm glad but yeah, God will have Christians on any minute deal Yeah. Thanks Mike for for coming on. It's good to see you doing well. And any other final updates anything else that you can share? I feel like I'm I'm feeling all nostalgic. Do you have any announcements? Yeah, I mean, you're always good.

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What are you teasing about?

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maintenance was that still alive? Really? Like I have some I've managed to live through the final year of school.

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Yeah, no real announced yet. I'm gonna I want to use this isolation. quarantine time to

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Work on Native project. So I'll tease that I guess. lighthouse dates.

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There's no kids that I'm aware of.

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Well, that's good. Jew anytime I'm sitting right next to me. She just gave me this look.

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She's like, What are you talking about?

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I feel like Yeah, no.

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No, no, that's what I mean. Yeah, absolutely. Just meaningful.

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Exactly.

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Deal. I feel like you are going to be a part of our lives. Another in in not too long. Like, I'm like, No, I see because it's, yeah, but I feel like you're just a part of the family. I feel like like you said Josh nostalgia. We had such a good time over four months and he became a real

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asset of our team and a friend and so yeah, and it feels easy, doesn't it? Like there's something nice and easy about just chatting. And I guess we went through a lot. We spent a lot of hours, you know, you were there. Some of the biggest, you know, shifts in our lives, you know, getting a, you know, the new studio and all that stuff and going out trying to work out our business. It's really cool. Yeah, it was, no, it was it was an amazing experience. Like I learned more. I think I learned more about what I didn't know about myself, then. Anything else like I learned more of like the shortcomings and the shortfalls that I had, which made me want to improve upon them more so. And plus, being around you guys all the time. was

28:47
awesome, do write, send love to your whole family. And let's catch up. Let's catch up offline. In the next few days, we're starting to decompress one by one

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Once you gotta get some sleep yeah exactly all night I'll be I'll be sleeping. Awesome. I have a go on, say my

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four hours to go.

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Oh,

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come McGregor oh here

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is what's up girl takes photos. My

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doubles How are you?

29:34
I'm great. Thanks for having me on guys. I'm very pumped about this. I feel like

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from Insta stories to YouTube Live I feel like this is a progression in in our relationship and I'm pumped about it.

29:52
Yeah, it's cool. It's great. We've been talking about it for so long and it's just like yeah now that's reality here we are and so

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till you've been doing your own podcast since I saw how many how many episodes have you guys gotten up to?

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We did 46 today 46 in a row. That's awesome. Wow. And so you've got your mail Ryan in another part of seeing the UK. Yeah. And

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he and he's done based in Belfast, obviously South Africa, not Belfast, Belfast, born and bred. But he's ever in London. And we've wanted to do it for so long. And we love the idea of like, like a radio show. So that's how I found you guys. Like a year ago, I was trying to find someone that was doing a podcast that was like a radio show. And I found yours. And I was like, dude, these guys are currently doing it. And it's awesome. So you guys have been a huge inspiration for us. Just even putting off fingers starting around one.

30:56
I feel like he got to 40 really quickly. I mean,

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40 days. You've had enough. It is you're doing daily. You are doing daily. Daily. Yeah, yeah. one a day. Yeah. So it's, um, it has got there quite quick. It's, I think it's to do with the fact that we're all locked in our house. It was definitely the driver to actually go ahead and pull the trigger doing it. But yeah, it's going it's mad, we'll hit 50 on Monday or Tuesday or something like that.

31:27
And so you're actually so you, um, you're a real slashy. You sort of that, like, you take photos. You design. You do video, you do podcasting?

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Has that been something that you've done intentionally? Or do you struggle with the whole slushie thing? Where do you Where do you fit?

31:50
I've never I've never heard that phrase before. That's quite a cool way. I've always said I'm like, Yeah, I always say like a boyfriend xym a bit of a sprayer.

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I guess like this, because they're on bikes. That's kind of the way I do things. But I've never, I've never really been about details. So I'm more just about getting stuff done. So I've always been pretty good at most things, but not a master of any of it. So yeah, that's kind of just being an HMO. Yeah, I think.

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I think I mean, when you say you're not a master, you've got like your photos. Absolutely exceptional. And your video skills like

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I mean, you've got like a high level, if you don't think you're good at them. If you don't think you're like a master, you're, you're fucking proficient at a shitload. That's really annoying, to be honest.

32:42
I think I think I've always kind of taken the approach of if I'm not if I'm not going into it, whether it's a job or video for myself, I'm not going into it shitting myself a little bit. I feel like I'm not pushing myself. So I've always I've always put the idea

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The story in the forefront I've always wanted that to be the thing that people watch, rather than the technique or the camera or the price. It's about like, What are you watching? Are you enjoying it? What are you taking away? So maybe I just don't think about that stuff as much as other people would. And that's why maybe just don't value it, or value my own ability. But I always just see everything that I've done wrong. When I watch stuff. I'm like, wow, you just caught that up. And that happened. Things like that. So I feel like you've got some goatees. You

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know, to say, Surely you've been able to tame that voice. Because you have been creating content for a bunch of time, or do you sort of thinking he, you, it doesn't go, but you managed to ignore?

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Yeah, yeah, I think you get a bit more comfortable with it, don't you like you kind of use it as like your driver's sort of feeds the for me, it feeds the creativity. It's a bit that makes me want to try something new.

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or push to shoot something a little bit differently but yeah, I've been doing i was i was a designer for so long so I've been like graphic design for like 15 1516 years. And photo and video is just stuff I did in the in the background and alongside it and it came from needing photos for designs and not being able to access them and then just say, Well, if I just take the photo myself, like I could just use that so that's what started getting me to push it in a more professional way. When I think of you to like think about keyless cars

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because I remember I remember a story that involved some keys Can you can you because we love a good client fuckup story or just when anything goes bad.

34:47
Can you can you can you remind me of what happened is with the cars the case, man Well, we were shooting some stuff for the electric board in Ireland and they would get they gave us a really really cool

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Eagles and they're like they go Eagles crack on do what you need, make a video of vlog style video over like a week about you drive in the car. So I was like are joining they're doing it a tie this in with a shoot that I'm doing for another client. And I'll take a drive the eagle with me and my buddy mark with me and we went up and I didn't realize like how bad I am as a driver when it comes to like using fuel efficiently because the eagle was fully electric and like not the north of Ireland is not equipped for electric cars the way you really need it to be at the minute. So we were like, I definitely needed like two more charge stations and I didn't have them. We drove out to the middle of the like the sticks the middle of the country, so there's nothing about to do this other sheet rocked up and we had 12% of the battery left of his golf, because I just been like sending it up the road. So I have some time where you're thinking to yourself like I mean it's

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There was a point, there was a point where I was like, I'm gonna have to charge this app the other client job, I have to ask if I can do this. And I was looking at the Mark and I was like, dude, we're 40% battery here. I feel like we're gonna be pushing the car back and I'm like, Oh, no, it'll be fine, be fine. Got it over to this place. And I picked up this other client job that I was doing, like an outdoor activity center. And we pick it up and they're like, Oh, Hi. Nice to meet you. I was like, yeah, you two quick question.

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Can I plug my car into your wall?

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to charge it? And I was like, This is the worst start to a job ever. And they're like, Yeah, why and I had to give them the whole story. So then I there I am this like extension lead, plugging in like removing their fan load from their office and plugging my car into it. It was like a trickle trickle charger thing. So it takes like an eternity to get any power into this. And I was watching it go up, like at a fraction of a second. So I had to plug it in there.

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And I thought that'll be grand left that charging. We spent about three hours there filming, I thought that would be enough to get us back. So when we finished up, I chopped everything into this box gave it to Mark said you stick that in the car. But I put everything. There was all my person into this box, including the keys, and I get to mark and he walked off and he put the thing in the car and close the boot turn to walk to me and then the car is locked. And he thought it was locked the car brilliant. And I looked at him went Did you like that car? He's like, No, I haven't got the keys. And then I was like, dude, the keys are in the car. And he's joking me, too, as I'm looking in the boot of his car, and the keys are there but the car still charging so we can't get into it. The keys are sitting there. It's a brand new like 30,000 pound golf or something. And it's just in the middle of nowhere. plunked into a like a porter cabin building. Like just trickling out that extension.

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Yeah,

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like the thing you charged a lawn mower with that kind of idea, and I was like, Oh my god, this is the worst It was. It was the most embarrassing situation because in Northern Ireland you got like, you know, like you got bogans like they've got like real country bumpkins out here. And these are like proper tractor driving. Like a no go on. Oh, we'll break into will will tell me how they can remove the window and how they can Jimmy the door open and I was like this is a 30 grand golf just no one touch it. No, it was it was so stressful. So it was Yeah, and it just, it just got worse and worse. We ended up having to convince a bus driver to let us get a bus like a two hour bus journey back. Of course we had no money apart from our our Apple Pay on our phones because the wallets everything when the car took the bus it all went back to the Belfast bus driver didn't trust us. We had to go in and pay for the ticket on Apple Pay inside because they didn't take cards on buses.

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was a pallava and then I had to get back and phone the guys in Dublin and say to them, Can I be honest to you guys? I fucked it.

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Could you help? So they had to send one of their guys to drive the two and a half hour drive from Dublin to Belfast, at like 11 o'clock at night to deliver me the spare key. It just he just knocked on my door pissin with rain, I opened it was like a horror film. Just this man sent in a coat with a key. I believe this is for you. Thanks. Thanks. And then he just turned around and drove to the half hours home. Just thinking that Oh

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yeah, that was a brand deal. I assume that they didn't send the money if you were only

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you know what? oddly, they they actually were like, yeah, that golf. I blame that on the golf. Yeah, I it shouldn't have locked in my opinion, because it

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He's in the car. So I didn't understand why it locked and then they actually gave me another car to drive around and they did pay eventually. I don't know how I must have wormed my way around being like ah, can you believe that golf should never have done

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but

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the smell of the car the riskier it is, I mean, I haven't a car my car at the moment will be quite hard but I had a Beemer

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and I had one key I bought this fucking thing with one key or an idiot and I I did the same thing I locked I because I got in the habit of taking the key at pressing the button as I opened the door, and for some reason I'd left the key in there and I closed it behind me and locked all my fucking god I've locked the only key in this BMW. It's costing me back in 700 bucks a month. This is outrageous anyway, and I and I've only financed this thing. I'm 20 thinking I'm a sick dog and had read

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Is it? red red leather, tasty red leather yellow leather red leather yellow leather. And it's hazy in there. Do you want to date me yet a watch?

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Well, yeah, I think I think I turned around and needed

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a camera. TV that's the question.

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Well reverse camera but yeah, no so what I did was there's something called the RA CV, roadside assist in Australia where you can call and they come help poor bastards that have, you know, gone flat batteries or ran out of petrol or you know, all that shit. And this was having I I got a guy who came out and he said what's up and I said, lock me cane the cat don't have spit and he goes, No worries. Literally last weekend I did a course on how to get into these things like it was basically like a locksmith, you know, like a locksmith for cars. He goes yeah,

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Ours goes around to the boot and does my number plate and shorts with like electricity, current shorts, the back and it goes, pops the boot and I climbed through and got the key, like, and it was free because you pay the 80 bucks a month to get this service. It was like if you go to anyone else that'd be like yeah, get someone to come get someone account. It's important. That's Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The window or something.

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You do like a bunch of client work, how's client work sort of been impacted by all this COVID-19 stuff.

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It's been like a huge impact really early on. I 80% of the stuff that I was shooting was being postponed, runs being cancelled, but it's just been pushed a few like, well, whenever it's ready to go, but I think because of my commercial background, I worked in e commerce like as a designer and photographer. So I was able to

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Pivot a little bit of what I was doing and maybe just offer alternative services, and for how we did stuff and what we were doing. So I was kind of okay with that. But to be honest, when it all happened, I just looked at my wife and said, You know what, let's just, let's just treat this like a holiday. So I was just like, didn't expect nothing to come from it and just try to enjoy the time. But today was the first day I was actually doing a shoot. So I went out and did, which I don't normally do property stuff, but I just had some people need some property videos filmed and photographed. So that was the first day but it was very weird. Like, everyone purposely standing two or three meters away from each other, like, going like this through doorways. Can you stand in that room so I can walk into this room? It was very uncomfortable, very uncomfortable. Was it hard going from you know, holiday vibe to going back into work?

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Very, very difficult. I actually just chatted on it, Ryan. I did a podcast with him. I was like, dude, I was about

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Half an hour into filming this and I was just like, I can't be bothered. I cannot be bothered with this. This is just like, I just want to go. I'm wearing jeans and a belt today and I'm just I'm not feeling this. Just want to go home put on my sweat pants, and just lie down somewhere in vegetate, it's be very tricky to I think it's gonna get harder to go back to stuff as well. Definitely, yeah, I mean, how long have you been in vigil? veggie pants, veggie

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cheap pants.

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I was listening to the word vegetate, you said to vegetate, I thought, yeah, I haven't heard that word.

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used to just like vegetate to just say, jack. Yeah, but I mean, yeah, just a lie.

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Yeah, so we

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are

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gonna go ahead. Sorry. Yeah, I was just gonna say some of the comments has just said, they like they love your accent. They can't tell if it's an Australian or Irish.

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You know, it's a bit of a bland usage.

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Yeah, I'm from Cape Town. I say Cape Town because it from Johannesburg. But Cape Town sounds cooler. So I just say Cape Town. It's

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a bit of a shithole. So I've just like yeah, from Cape Town. But I live in Northern Ireland, and I've lived here for like 20, almost 20 years. So I've got this really messed up like accent that I people always say, Are you Canadian? Or Australian first? I'm like, neither. Neither so African. But I've been here I've been here a year longer. So I'm kind of like a no man's land because no one will have me on that as an Afghan. Well, ours. Was it last year that you had your big California trip?

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Yeah, God. Yeah. And like 2019 what a year. What a great year. You know, you're allowed to leave your house. You're allowed to see friends you could travel. Whereas like, yeah, they went to try to California three weeks did Toronto as well.

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The very beginning of the year for like a week and then three weeks in, in California was freakin amazing. That's so good first time to the southern part of California I've been to like the north of it but that was the first time that was brilliant. We got two kids or or one kids yeah two kids two kids so what was the six year old an eight year old and so what was the experience like traveling with the whole fam

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tough it was tough. I do a lot of traveling by myself I spent like years traveling with with work always by myself. And you know when like you think something stressful, then you take a kid with you and your wife and you're like, you have to worry about everybody you're like, oh that bit and the airport where you sit for three hours is fine when you're by yourself because you could just close your eyes and lie there. But when when you've got kids good Can I have Can I have Can I and your wife's like Will you please just take them anywhere but here. So that was on I was Halloween difficult. Like

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But but at the same time you know yourself it takes something that is kind of mundane and they just bring it to a whole different light. Just simple stuff. You know, we we were able to enjoy like Disneyland with them so much because you use them as an excuse to do it all. You know, I wouldn't normally get on this like, you know this elephant ride but I'm doing it for my kid. I really like this is amazing.

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Yeah.

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How much how much you share of your family?

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What do you want? What does your wife think of what you do?

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She loves it. She there's a lot of outtakes with you. We hear her going. Don't tell me. Tell me there's a lot of she doesn't like she hates me filming her. But like I have to try and get her involved. I used to have the kids in it a lot. And they were a big feature of my Instagram Stories radio early on, but then just had a couple of weird moments with some odd people. So I started

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Trying to remove them from as much as I could. But to be honest, like, what's the like, Where was the weirdness in Instagram? Just like odd, just odd, you know, like people meet you and like, they'll meet me in the street and I've no idea who they are. And they'll be like, how's Noah? Did he get that thing from school? And I was like, Oh, shit, I'm maybe oversharing here. And I had a guy who taught me actually outside the school once. And he was like, Oh, your kids go here, then do that. And I was like, holy shit. Oh, no, get away from me.

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So, that's, that's the bit they are also at that age now where they're aware of it. So I kind of gave them the choice. And I was like, Look, if you want to be in the videos, you can if you don't want to be, you don't have to be. So they can't, but they they can't give you a definitive on. So for God's sakes, six year old and eight year old, give me an answer. And they're like, oh, today, like yesterday, you were game. today. You're not involved.

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It's been a bit tricky mixed messages.

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Yeah, yeah, they need to they need a manager of those two ridiculous.

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Do you think you'll be able to keep up the daily content outside is I so have you thought about? You thought about that?

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I don't know if we'll do it. We'll do it daily because I do daily Instagram stories. And I've done in like, since Instagram almost pretty much since Instagram released stories. And I've done them and they're all filmed and edited. And then I do a weekly YouTube video on top and our client works. I think what Ryan and I want to do with the overnight show is to bring it to like two days, two days a week. Maybe I produce it more because we we we love the idea of the podcast, but we want we wanted it to become as more of a like as a show. I'm a big fan of Good Mythical Morning though if you guys ever grown Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Just always loved. Yeah, I've just always loved how they've made that show. And I've always want to like take a lot of inspiration from that. So

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I think we're gonna maybe dump like, take down the days but produce the thing a bit better. Grab

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the imagine. Yeah, I can imagine it you get that vibe. You get that vibe. who

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read the link? Which one are you? Like, if you look at the comeback?

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I'm probably more rare. I'd say. Yeah, I'd be crunchy.

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Yeah, it's a tricky one because it's elements of there's elements of each of them. And like Ryan, and I, like you know, yourself with the three of you guys how you will bounce off each other. There's like, like, I watch it back sometimes. The first couple I watched back and I said to my wife, oh, my God, I fidget continually. Why am I moving so much? Ryan just sits there like a living corpse the whole time. Like, hardly ever moves. And I'm just like, playing with Bob and scratching my eye and I like walked out of the shocks and I'm just like, I can't sit still. So that bit was really weird. The first five or six episodes, watch it back.

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Like, wow, that's because the way we produce it, a lot of what we wanted early on was, we wanted to produce it to a high standard. We wanted it to feel like we're in the same room. So we wanted the interactivity to be really good so that it felt natural visually, as well as, you know, through through the audio. And I think that we've achieved that. And we interact through the screen and pass stuff and it makes it just makes it funnier and more entertaining to do. I think for us, it definitely ups the production value of it is it's really enjoyable to watch.

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Have you

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What have you learned about collaboration? So you had the podcast with American aid and stuff with Ryan, what's the Yeah, what's your relationship with collaboration?

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Yeah, well, Mark and I had a real good one with that with our podcast at the end show but it was it was just too difficult to get our schedules aligned. Whereas this is we work in such different areas but Ryan, and I

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Do very similar work and our timeframe. We own a lot run time. So we that's why we were able to make this work and it just it just comes from a different place that conversation. But I've, I've learned that like,

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like we also Ryan and I share the workload of producing our podcasts together which is quite cool. We're in the other one with Mark I did like pretty much all the production so it's been quite nice being able to rely on someone and it's been great for those days where you just can't be bothered you know, when you just get out anything. I quit i'm not i'm done with this. No one gives a shit I don't give a shit. My wife doesn't even listen to it. I quit. And then he's he's meant to be gone pod peloton like fuck do I have to? It's like, it's like a parent dragging you to school. So that's been quite nice. And I think it works both ways. So that's, I think that's been one of the nicest takeaways from it.

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I mean, I feel like that is the thing like what you just explained, there is a version that we've accessed

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Appearance over seven at least a bunch of times within 700 episodes. And it's like yeah, yeah. It's it's I'm constantly trying to work out why you why you as in us or anyone lands on something and continues to do it. And there's a bunch of stuff, right? There's, it's sort of fits your values. It works, timing wise, all these things. But I feel like there's a bit there. That's like the unexplainable. I don't know if you feel that too. As to why you landed on nearly 50 episodes. With you, man. It's like, yeah, don't you think it's a bit like?

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It's also it's more weird because Ryan is in London, and I only know him for Instagram. So like, it's even weird. It's just two. It's just two men in their late 30s with nothing better to do than talk to each other on the phone and recorded the whole world here. And it's like, it's just weird. Like we we've been

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became friends through Instagram. And then he got me on a job like doing like social media content. So then I just rocked up and we met each other. And it was kind of like, if you're on Tinder or something, it was like we'd been on a dating app. We thought all the small talk, you know, we walked in, I was like, Alright, what's happened is crack on with this relationship. We've already learned everything for a year of chat. And then like, I like go over the London just to see him. So hang out, stay with him and his wife. And we've just all become friends through that. So it's odd because I talked to him every day, even if we weren't doing a podcast. I'll just like, well, we'll work and we'll have headphones on just complaining about the world. And like, you know, asking advice and stuff. And then the other day I sent him a candle all pumped and you guys are probably like this as well. When you talk to each other. Someone said to me years ago, it takes two people to make a shit idea. Go into production.

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Like that literally sums up what Ryan and I talk show like

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exactly that analogy. It's like

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Like I kept on saying, we're gonna do March and my wife is gone. Now so not another thing Why do you why she's like so who the 12 people that listen every day like yet? There's 12 people want a T shirts. So it's like she doesn't she doesn't get it she's like, why are you Why? And I was like well, I don't know I just said to her I'm a dreamer and I think if you if you don't allow yourself to dream, you'll never get enough it's gonna succeed. We might bomb after 100 episodes, it might become something it might turn into something else. But like you never know. I mean, you guys never started yours. Thinking it was going to become such a prolific thing and now look at

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that's a nice pump. Yeah, that's, that's a good pump up. That might be feel good. No, but to be honest, that's like what you're saying about Josh and I used to speak on the phone so much. And now it works. Can we just

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do it are together, but you we just channel it in it.

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Yeah, it's, it's gonna starting it sounds organic, right? Like, you've got to actually you gotta have a gin a genuine interest in, in the person, which then, you know, I think you're podcasting? Is this a weird format, I'm really interested in seeing what happens over the next 10 years with, especially, I guess, more and more sort of friendships, like what you're describing with Ryan, where it's just like, you know what, like, I don't have to be limited to a geographical, you know, limitation I can actually make friends with some like, my perfect friend anywhere. You know, in the world. It's really cool. Yeah, I know it is. And like, I loved your podcast when I started because I bought into that took a few episodes to get used to the characters. I think effort you know, those first few episodes, people invested and it's like, it's like a

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It needs a disclaimer going just give us five episodes till you understand us because i don't know i messaged you guys pretty early on and I was like You remind me of Ricky to face and call Pelican some sometimes I think it's just like a now so like

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yeah like they'd like a fucking orange

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he's got a quite a quite no just you

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like I just like it was like the dryness with the energy and I think that's and like I joke there in the audience with a wall with Mark like we kept like doing stuff and needing to reference it and we were like fuck reading the 97 on here. We've got no one to help us reference and keep us on track. And like Ryan I get shit wrong so many facts incorrect and we'll just like then like, the next day it's like here just to correct you on everything we got wrong. And I'm like God you can see I like Mason being on there just helps with a lot of that stuff. Oh yeah now, part of it. Like it

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Yeah, that was a that was a big thing was closing the loop like back in the day when we didn't have Mr. 97. Yeah, it was very much like our fact, you know, that thing I said, and a lot of the time, it will be our partners who, who will do the correcting based on how that story that you completely butchered that story. But, um, I mean, but that's what podcasting is all about, you know?

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Yeah, it's just elaboration, isn't it? Most of us alive. I'll tell stuff about like, my childhood, and my dad's like, That never happened. Like, yeah, but that's how I remember it. And that's what I'm going to share with the world. Otherwise, it's really, really boring. And it's like, it's um, it's funny, but like, your whole podcast has been incredible to like to watch and listen, and I don't listen every day because I do believe like daily stuff is so hard to keep up. But doing it every day means you can tap in and out and pick up on bits and bobs, and then sometimes I'll be like, What the hell are they talking about? I'll have to try and like go back a few episodes and work it out.

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But like, it's it's been cool like even just getting to chapter three ad and get to know us a bit over Instagram and now all 3d though, like the weird that just just because we got a name it's like sort of similar. It's like, like I've become like mates with him on Instagram and like I was going up to Toronto until this whole COVID thing happened. And I messaged him being like, yo, let's hang out. And like I'd like video chat with him and I was like, Who is this guy? Like he is a guy who's on the show. These guys the whole live in other parts of the world and none of us know each other. But we just video chat and submit It's madness. It's social media. It's insane for that. Cool. Deal, man. Thanks so much for not jumping on you.

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You're the king of internet friends. I think. I love it. Yeah, yeah. social butterfly, the internet.

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Put it in you buy a thank you. Thanks so much for for having me on these. Let's be like appreciate it like it.

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It means a lot. So it's so cool. Awesome. Thanks so much Joe. How's it going, man?