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It's a daily Talk

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Show Episode 465 are in our studio at the overload below and we've got high Josh on the air

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Jeff sound effects or anything? Oh, well, I was really good

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it's it's raining here in Sydney. As you can hear by the drip.

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It's actually a lovely day. It's been freezing back in Melbourne. It's like 26 degrees.

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A little bit. Did you?

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Yeah. Thanks for coming on the show made. It's a it's I mean, I saw you online A long time ago. And then you married my wife's best friend.

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Yeah. And now we're in the hotel room. The first time I met you was at the wedding. And we'd like didn't really even me because that's what's wedding weddings. I like that's your wedding.

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My wedding? Not my wedding. Just because Josh wasn't.

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No, it's okay. No, I don't mind is a great way. Um, how

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have you been? My I know you're having a baby. You're not personally know how it is?

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Yes. Yeah. To be fair, that, you know, we just sit back and the women just enjoy nine months. Plus, you know, we have a kid Mike breastfeeding and like, they can be no complaining from a man. That's the problem. Actually no complaint. Like, I'm sometimes a bit tired. If you know, I only get nine hours of sleep. Yeah, like you can't say anything on my it's gonna get a lot worse for you. Let me tell you. Yeah, so

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I've had, but I think you'll go through this class, go through this class and come out the other side, maybe six months? I think that's what a lot of people say. Will you start getting some sleep back? Hopefully. And you'll feel like a new man.

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I know. You brought

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some gifts today. I really appreciate that. You didn't do the chase board? No, but you brought over the sweet

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sort of people just send your stuff what happens or

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what? No, the Chucky I like part of my my brand.

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I yeah, like dude branded content. And like one of them happens to be barely shut out early. And they The first thing they did was came to my house and filled my fridge with Darla for this like 10 second video. I was like, yeah, show whatever. And then at the end of the day, like, oh, by the way, we're leaving all this chocolate here. And I was like, Oh my gosh, really? So we have been giving it to everyone to try and get it out of the house. Like even Gumtree PayPal, yeah, take the cash and here's some chocolates it

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just in your cupboard or is in the fridge where it says No way. Because we had Andy lay on the other day, and he was talking about the fact that he got sent a Snickers ice cream freezer, and he got one for his house and one for the office. But he was eating signs. Many of them had to return it because they

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haven't filling it up. Or they just kept filling it up. Yeah, that's the problem. Like what At what point do you say I can't anymore?

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Well, when the money stops coming.

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So basically, the doctor said fucking you gotta stop this. I know you got the deal with their la but fucking pool of

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juice a one block a day.

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I don't have a limit. But I give away more than I eat at this stage. And I'm close the

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block. So

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it's hard not to man. Yeah. So delicious.

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If someone looks at your Instagram account, hi, Josh, your Facebook page. Yeah. And they think what do you what do you do for a living? What? How do you explain that?

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Depends Who's asking?

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tax man jersey, you making some money, but he's the

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CEO or he's accountant.

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The taxman is usually referred to as the

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CEOs directly contact.

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What's up just been checking.

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What do you do? Because that's alarming big guy. Hey, Mike, what

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do you do? I love your content. But I'm not sure what you do. Because you have had a career change?

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Quite a drastic one. Yes. What was it? What were you doing before? I was a church pastor, pretty much this time last sheet.

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So you know, you've been out in your own?

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I mean, the Lord, we just kind of

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played laid back you to

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create, I mean, you've gone out on this creative endeavour, which is kind of daunting.

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Yes. Has it been? Yeah, absolutely. And because like, everything changed in the last two years after I met my beautiful wife here, who I met two years ago. And then I think I proposed first propose, quit my job. Got married, got pregnant. And then here we are.

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So I'm glad we made it into that order. Yeah,

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sorry. Daily podcast talk shed.

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To Josh is the peak to Josh. So yeah, like, part of the part of it was just like, let's just let's just make all the changes at once and see how it goes. So you did daunting a little bit. But yes, definitely right time. Like I've been doing high Josh for like 12 years is was my first YouTube video under the brand. Hi, Josh. And it's just been a hobby until yet this time last year, I decided to go full time. What

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is it? What's the day to day of a pastor?

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That's a good question. It's probably the same as a comedian, you're not really quite sure what the answer is. Yeah. It's actually like, it's a lot of like, boring admin stuff, like emails and meetings with like other people on the staff team. But then like, Sunday's like game day. And then we had like, quite a lot, church. So like, lots of big events during the week and that kind of stuff. So and then like, every now and then for me, I would like meet with someone one on one and like, have some deep chats.

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And yeah, I don't know if that

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is like a key performance of a pastor we ROI.

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Yeah. Yeah, one converts.

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All we kind of did, because I like, at church was quite big, which is kind of rare. Because it was so big. And there's lots of moving parts, we decided to kind of have those things, but it was more like, a, it was more like, you know, if I have a team of like, 10 people, and I want to make it 20, because we need to make it bigger than that. Maybe that's one of the KPIs. So it's like, what am I gonna do to get there, you have a chat with someone, and then, you know, do some leadership seminars or something like that? That's, that's the kind of KPIs that was in there. So you,

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you, I mean, to get into, so you doing the YouTube channel 12 years ago? Yeah. And obviously, you started training, is it training to become a path? Yeah. knowledge about my wife went to Bible college, she

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loves bragging about it. Well, to be honest.

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I mean, I grew up Catholic, you know, Catholic, school, Catholic, a chef, and meeting someone like my wife and hearing this sort of different world, we're all little bubbles. And I know it is a bubble. Because you know, I'm over here and another one. And so I think, yeah, I think for the three of us in the room, Miss 97, Josh, and myself, and then you're the other person, I'm just clarifying how many people

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in the corner and

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there is an interesting, you know, sort of

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culture or something that you're involved in that way not? It can be fascinating.

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Yeah, it is fascinating. And so what was

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this? What was that was

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moving out of, sort of clarifies that actually, is that you making a decision? Is that like a faith decision? Or is that a job? Like, not become a pastor anymore? And still retain

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your right? Yeah, it was, it was a job decision. Yeah, like career decision. Yeah.

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Yeah, basically say, I'd been doing like YouTube on the side, but like, 12 years ago, so way before, like, I started at Bob college, and that kind of thing. So I never really stopped doing that. Because, yeah, like, the side hustle, like, just like a hobby of like making videos. And then, and then, like, four or five years ago, made some videos that went viral, which was kind of unexpected.

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And this was the toaster and the player throwing

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video was the number one.

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Yeah, cuz I said the funny thing is, I saw that. And then I saw your, the, like, the licence that you did this video?

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Yeah.

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And I didn't attach them as the same person. Is that a common thing? Yeah, people will watch different ones of your videos and not actually realise it.

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Yeah, cuz I didn't really have a consistent theme. will certainly four or five years ago, every video was completely random. So I made that video. And then two months later, I made how to speak Australian video, which also like went really big, but like completely different. So then I got like, a little bit of a following on Facebook. And I was I should probably take this a bit more seriously. Just like, you know, when things go well, you like you know, you don't stop doing them or do them less you like, maybe I should invest in this a little bit. So then I started to try to try to make regular videos regular ish. And then people offered me money to make branded videos and first brand. Uh, I think it was Jayla to summer. Yeah. After the throne video

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ice cream. Yeah, I think I saw where you're,

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like coming to the store and just do the throwing thing. And I'm like, Do you realise how long like it actually takes? If someone hasn't seen the video yet? There was moments where you would throw a CD behind you. And you'd get it into the DVD player like milk into the fridge? A knife into the knife

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a knife into the knife? My gosh that's the one that I was like

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a believable this one. This is my count like

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a really smart so like I always reversed it.

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How'd you do the

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patients? I was very single had a lot of time on my hands and any damage lots. But it was um it was sad the church kitchen this this old building that we kind of used to party and so like I was already pretty rundown what's a few like stab stab holes in the in the kitchen. That's fine. So that took me like weeks obviously not non stop by like maybe nine hours of throwing just for that one? Not including the other 10

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Do you get any RSI or anything like that?

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I didn't sometimes the knife would like ricochet and come come away but I was

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safe anyone walking and just Josh is lost it. What is happening maybe throw your knife behind you.

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Not anything anyone walked in? Cuz he didn't sacred? Yeah, exactly. I remember

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growing up in high school would have the local church would come and there was some pastors and would apply heaps of improv. Like there was like the one chubby Bobby to check

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thing. I think like apparently you know that do that anymore. Because some kid choked and really kind of thing. That's what happens. We thought youth group. You like you play this game? Everyone plays it and then someone dies and then you can't play it anymore.

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So what is it down for now? Just sitting around?

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One person?

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One Chubby Bunny, come on.

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Did you do that? Did you go to schools and start us

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little bit? It actually I went a lot more when some of those videos went viral. And it was cool. Dude, could you pass that? Yeah. So I just I'd kind of combine the both combined both of like, yeah, viral videos, cuz like kids love that stuff.

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And then talk about chases?

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Because we have a bunch of international listeners. How would you describe it?

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When you say a bunch?

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Yeah, well, we've got 20% 20% of our listenership on in Australia,

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would you say 20%? Because I never put a number on it.

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thing about thinking about podcast because like for me, people can see my success or not success. But for podcasters, you can like you can completely pretend that you're way bigger than us. We've

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got a hotel room

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has 123 424 downloads per

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episode? Really? That's pretty long way beyond that. 2125?

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How would you describe Australia, his relationship with faith and religion as a culture as a whole?

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Like, slowly turning away from it, I guess, is the broad

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kind of thing.

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I don't know it's a weird one. Because I think media media is pretty pretty against it was sometimes against it, but at least not for it. But I don't like but that's like the media's always like a microcosm of it's not necessarily the like the average Australian thoughts or beliefs. But I mean, certainly in church, like, as I said, mean, how church is quite big. And there's always been a constant flow of people. But like, you know, 30 years ago, everyone kind of went to church, or you'd at least try and go a couple of times a year with your family, because you thought it was a good thing. But I think more more and more now, like our generation, where we're like, why would you do that? Yeah. And I'm not against that decision at all. Because I think it's like, it might as well be authentic. Like, there's no point in having an inauthentic faith. There's no point just rocking up to church because you think it's the right thing to do. Like, and I think more people are making that decision where it's like, well, why is that the right thing to do? And if it's not for me, then I'm not going to go, which I'm like, cool. Like, Elise, she made the decision, rather than just like, everyone just go like, that kind of thing. So when it comes to job progress, you need something like that. I

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mean, I think I become the CEO of a company, what is the the job progression that he's available?

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What's the, again, it depends, like, like what you want

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towards the church code. So like, I don't know, I'm pretty useless when it comes religions. Sorry. Is it a sect of Christianity? Or how do you explain what your specific church Yeah,

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yeah, the easiest way is like it's Christian. But then in that you just kind of have different flavours. Yeah. It's like fast food. McDonald's branch. But yeah, so my, my church was Anglican. And I now go to a different Anglican Church. I mean, technically, it's, it's, what do you call it? What do we do to you Catholic guys? We, we, we protested you, which means we're Protestants. Okay. Yeah.

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So this is Pentecostal. And what is that they sing a lot and stuff? Don't know.

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Yeah, Pentecostal, that's kind of their flavour is like,

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she is singing in like,

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very long citizenship. I've always said to Tommy, like, if we needed a production person,

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getting someone who's been with it. Absolutely. And that's the funny like, that's the funny thing about church. I mean, it regardless, seriously, like, regardless of the faith section of it, I mean, the community is amazing. And it's hard to replicate that, but like, the volunteer side of it is just like, it's so cool to be able to, like grow up in that. And that's where my, like, interest in video and skills came from, like, I made videos for youth group, and then started making the film myself. And now I do that as a job. So it's, it's kind of interesting, like, you're talking about the bubble. It's an interesting world, and culture of like, aside from the faith side of it, you've got this community thing, you got this volunteer thing, you've got learning skills, like for free doing skills for free, that kind of thing, when,

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as far as the business side of things, guys, it's a job. And your, um, I think about us and where we want to take this and what it could become and a thinking that when you're in the position of like, Where is where am I take for the jobs for your job,

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not for me.

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Because I mean, I was kind of happy with what I was doing. I was basically looking after like the young adult age group of the church. And there's probably 200 or 250 of those people like in between 18 and 25, something like that. That's kind of how we ran our church was like age base, or there's a kid's minister has a youth as me, then they kind of had like a women's and then have kind of broadly men's minister and then, like an executive minister, and then the senior guy who kind of let us all so that like, as you're talking about, like, progression, like some people want to be the the senior guy. Well, the senior person. But then people like me, like, my dad was also positive. And he was happy to be youth pastor for 40 years, he didn't want to let you know, he just had his thing and wanted to stay there. Even though maybe an old person will be like, I don't want to move on or move to age group or something like that. So

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yeah, I think it's instilled in us to look at whatever we're doing and go, how can we going to do it better and do better? How can I

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say improvement? I guess? Yeah. Progress. Yeah.

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When I think you can do that without, without it being like financial or even part of this, like a structure. Now I'm, now I'm the boss of this guy, rather than being on that team. And some people's aspirations is that and that's fine. But I think for me, I was happy to just look after my thing.

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Yeah, I think it makes sense. Like they talk about in technology. It's okay for people just to be developers, if they were really programmed. Yeah. It doesn't mean that they would go on to be a great manager. Yeah. But unfortunately, the way that hierarchies and the systems have been created, it sort of forces people to end up doing middle management. Yeah. And actually even Yeah, have interesting.

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Yeah. And that's probably like,

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like, kind of a false name, dream, or understanding for people is like, you don't necessarily have to be doing that to, to be like kind of fulfilling what your skills are, and that kind of thing, like, and I really appreciate people who kind of stay in their position. That's maybe a bit smaller, but absolutely nail it. Like, similar to my dad is like, youth pastor. Normally, youth pastors, they move on after two years or three years. Well, they get older, and they're like, kids, you know, to me, but it was just like, I love it. I'm getting better at it. I'll stick with it for like, 40 years. And like, that's cool. Yeah. I think is that him defining what success is for him? Yeah, exactly. I think that's it. Like, that's such an interesting question. Like, what is success? Because I think for a lot of people successful, we actually working less to have more time with family or to have more time to do their side hustle, or whatever it might be all getting

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differently. And casting at the Avalon hotel.

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festival.

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Was it a big decision for you to move on? Like, I can imagine leaving a job is hard enough, let alone when it is connected to community? By the way that it would?

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Yeah, Yes, certainly. And like, a little insight into that culture of church. What's celebrated, generally speaking, is people giving up their jobs to kind of serve the church, or like being missionaries overseas and that kind of thing.

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Have you ever done the overseas thing?

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Yeah, I like short term stuff, like two weeks and that kind of thing, but not certainly not like, you know, people stay there for the whole lives. My parents are in Africa at the moment.

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So that's celebrated. And then Tommy other rain today is the pastor who does the opposite.

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Yeah. And again, like it's not, it's just a culture that's kind of emerged with probably no, no one's dictated it of like, we can celebrate these guys, and not these guys. It's just a thing that we accidentally similar this is maybe a better example is in church, we tend to celebrate when people get engaged when they get married, and like, will stand them up in the middle of church and like, cheer for them and pray for them and that kind of thing. And that's great. And it's good to celebrate those momentous like, moments in life. But it's like, what message is that? giving to the single person? Because what we preach is that singleness is just as valuable. Jesus was single, etc. But by the by little actions, like what are we actually saying? And so it's a hard one, because I don't know what the answer is like in that context. But certainly there was there was any one guy that had made a move from being a full time minister, to just going back to his profession in my church. And he was the only one that I could kind of, he asked questions of, like, was it Okay, like,

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should I do this is I man, I've got 10 boxes of chocolate.

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I've been paid in chocolate right now. What is?

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Do you ask you dad, like, obviously having a lot of those experiences when you have the questions around? Hey, like, where we're celebrating this engagement. But what about a single thing? Who do you bring those sort of questions to?

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I once asked the whole church.

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Now, I like a question that like, I just question that we do. And I was preaching, I don't know what about like, maybe on something to do with marriage or whatever. And I just said, I was like, it's it's cool that we celebrate people get engaged and married. And we should do that. It's not a bad thing. But how do we celebrate, you know, the people that are single, or just either decide to be single or single, just because of circumstance? And I said to them, I don't know what the answer is. But even just asking the question that just because it helps people to talk for the single people sitting there to know. Okay, someone valued me from the stage that in clap me and make me stand. Like because you also don't want to ostracise them. Yeah, Susan, stand up. Could you still single this way? Can we celebrate that? But yeah, I don't know what the answer is. But you know, there's a lot of those things in society, which are unspoken, but it's like, oh, you're 40 years old, and you're still living with your parents and like, and say, okay, is that a bad thing? Maybe it is, in some circumstances. But maybe there's a reason behind that. What was the response? We need to do that? I mean, people appreciate it. But again, there's not an answer. Like, we still, you know, the next week someone get engaged. And

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that's why the Instagram Paul works that well. Yeah. It gives you a 5050.

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I think we wrap our identity up so much in our jobs. Yeah. And is it fair to say that for something like being a pastor, there's a lot of identity in that?

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Yeah. Because it's kind of it's tied to spirituality. So like, your life decision of like, falling Jesus, it's tied to that. And it's, again, it's tied to these maybe unspoken, things of like, yeah, we celebrate people, you drop everything inside of the church. So yeah, for me, it was it was a is a tough decision, which I just made over a long time. But once I've made it, like, I knew it was the right decision to move on. And yeah, so I haven't really looked back. And it hasn't again, it's not tied up with my own personal faith. Like I started going to a church. near my new where, where I live now. But yeah, I'm just not as involved as I was before.

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What's the dynamic when you change churches?

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It depends why it should change.

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Yeah.

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Two people ask like, Oh, hi, Josh. Welcome to the church. Where were you before?

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Yeah. And why did you leave? Yeah, well, I guess I would, ya know, I think that is the

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few calls find out from the other church, but

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like, sometimes, and I, you know, from being on the other side of it, where lots of people come to our church. How many people I think we had, like, 1200 title. But like, every week, there's new people. And the generally not people that have never been to church, that people who have been at another church, and then they're checking out as, and like, the cool thing about like, my church was, we, we made sure that was like, like, pretty, just kind of well known to the those people that we we want to encourage them to stay at their church, because as was an easy one to just come. Because it's big, and it's fun. And it's like, there's a youth group and that kind of thing. where, you know, someone's got

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to go to the city church.

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There's a lot of empty churches. But I mean, that's thing like, you don't want to, you do need people that they smaller ones, and I'm now at a smaller one. And what

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is the small one, bring them because obviously, there is some extra value that you can get. Well,

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everyone knows everyone. And I'm saying that in a positive way. Sometimes it's not always that positive. At the church I'm currently at they do, like dinner after the night service every week, because I can't What do you have? What sort of time is a BBQ chicken?

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We're gonna say 10 boxes if

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someone brought a whole bunch of day. Yeah, like, that's the cool thing about small church is you can kind of hang out with with everyone. You can know everyone you can eat together, which is just a really cool thing. Like, again, that community vibe.

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So taking the leap out of doing something that you were into the YouTube stuff, or at like, we escaped, it was.

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Yeah, yeah. Obviously, I was scared that it was not the right decision or that, like financially that I wouldn't be able to support myself and my future wife slash family. But like, like I said, before, it took me a long time to make the decision. I talked to so many people to get their wisdom. And I've journaled and I look back on the on the journals, and I was like, I think this is the right time. And so once I'd made it, I was like, Okay, I'm, I'm at peace. Like, I didn't look back. I was just like, Okay, this is it. And, and it's been, yeah, it's hard to explain that. It's like, a year on. Like, whoa, this, it worked. Like, yeah, it really worked. And it's working.

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Last time I saw you, Melvin, you just done a stand up comedy.

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Yeah. My first one. So interesting. My

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friend, good friend of ours, Craig Harper is a motivational, you know, high performance coach, speaker and speaks in front of, you know, 700 people come out to see him. And he's talking about things that help people but he's really fucking funny.

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And it's like, it helps.

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It's Yeah, it's an interesting one as I could imagine the training you did talking to people having to command a room. Yes, share information, or tell storeys can sit, like is basically being the foundation for in walking into what you are now.

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Yeah, it didn't feel like that when I walked on stage. Myself. Yeah, I think it It probably helped. But yeah, like stand up comedy is, that's an interesting art form. Like you've written something you think is funny. And you've left a space for people to laugh. But until you actually get up there and say it, you know, like, this could go really wrong. Because what if they don't laugh? And then the second thing is kind of like the first thing and so then it might not laugh at that. And then like, who like where'd he get from that? You run? Yeah.

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mics and things like that. Really. So the first first time was, I

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was the headliner, for like, a night of comedy.

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And you didn't know if the jokes worked.

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Yeah, cuz that's pretty crazy. And I didn't have time. I'm always like a last minute go guy. I didn't have time to practice out loud. Because my flat it was in Melbourne, I'm from Sydney. And so I was flying down for the, like fish shy. And just off was delayed for seven hours. And so there was a brand

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delay of seven hours. I was like, Well, that's it, my stand up period is over. But I got there landed, got in, like the Uber went to the venue. And the first half of the show is already finished. And say I got there at intermission. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm like three people from my first stand up together. And I, my plan was to use those seven hours in Melbourne, to practice for the first time out loud. And all I could do was just practice in my head or not. And so that kind of friction

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of slamming Jetstar on

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was there a joke, at least in the in the set?

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Neither wasn't?

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It went better than I thought. Because I did it three weeks in a row. So that was the first night and then I went back the second week, another week.

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When did I see what was that when I saw you? This year? Is that one other time?

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Yeah, that would have been the third, the third show.

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first show was all right. The crowd is a bit smaller and a bit cold was the venue as a cold night in Melbourne. can vent Melbourne Convention Centre in the city? How many people were there? I think the first night was, like 150 years, something. But then the next two nights were like, maybe 300 or so. Wow.

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So how did you get roped into it? I mean, it's a choice. But

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had somebody email me, just tends to happen that like you want to do stand up. And like, I've never done it before. And they're like, who you can be the headliner? And I'm like, I've never done it before. Like, why why would you think that I could do it? And I mean, not just do it, but be like the last guy on the bill. And say like, he was like, yeah, you'll be fine. And, and then I was like, Oh man, this must be such a shoddy show. Like they're reaching photog that they're picking a guy that's never done stand up before to be the headliner. I'm like, this has got to be bad. I gotta check out the other nine x to see how bad they are. So I googled some of them, YouTube, some of them. And um, I was like, Oh my gosh, these guys, a legitimate comedians, like, have written for like, late night shows in America have like, had stand up crews for 20 years. What I'm like, What am I got myself into? Because I thought these guys are gonna be even worse than me and I'm headlining. So yeah, that kind of freaked me out a little bit. I'm like, this is no amateurish.

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Well, it's a real subculture the stand up comedian world, because there would be comedians that have been doing for 20 years. Yeah. be super pissed. or looking for the following that just comes in. Yeah. But then there's the other side of that coin, which is Josh. Hi, Josh. I fucking I'm scared shirtless. I've never done that before. self doubt. And so but it's an opportunity. So you've taken an opportunity?

33:48
Yeah. what's the alternative? I guess it just to stay away? Yeah.

33:54
But yeah, it went it went well. Heaps better than I thought.

33:59
And yeah, good to chat to some of these comedians, and realise, I'm not them. They're not me were two completely separate things. But I'm kind of stepping into their world giving it a go. And they're asking me questions about my world. And they're kind of a little bit jealous of like, having a following. And I didn't realise this about comedians, like they're following is because I do for pub, not like shows a night. And like two people come in. Like, if I do a really good job, then that one person might remember their name and like, like, it's a it's a hard slog. I didn't

34:33
think I'd ever do that. Did you get the vibe from these people that you met?

34:37
Did you feel that from them today? Like, which part is in like, it

34:43
was jealousy?

34:45
It wasn't a negative jealousy. It was like, you know, that was saying, oh, would you want to do or in shy? Is that the goal? I'm like, I don't think so. Because they will doing their own shows.

34:56
I made them at the top. I just hit.

35:00
Damn, from back to Sydney seven hours later. Who's your audience? Is my audience 85% women? Yeah. But how many?

35:12
I call them like mums and bottoms. Yeah, like, for some reason, I think it's probably because I started doing like bachelor content. McPhee is a guy, that it's just kind of progressed to like being young moms or like, women between like 18 and 35, who like love the bachelor, but then, like my contents pretty safe, because I'm still kind of that guy. So if they have kids, they're like, they allow them to watch me on YouTube and that kind of thing. Yes, so the stand up thing, though, it wasn't a negativity, jealousy. It was, like, I guess something that I didn't realise I had, which was a following that I'd built over many years. And because they, these guys would, you know, almost exclusively doing stand up, they didn't have that, unfortunately, which they should because like, these was so funny. Unbelievable. See it, though actually really encouraging that whole time? So

36:05
was the audience on the night? a representation of the

36:10
audience on lines, but exactly 85?

36:13
That was it completely different? Is it a different colour?

36:17
Yeah. Because they went all there for me.

36:19
And I guess that's an interesting case to when you have when you fill out a room that Yeah, just your audience, your favourite ones? they're celebrating you. Yeah. To your point of having all these different people. Yeah. If you add up all of the people that weren't there for you, there's a significant amount that don't necessarily know. Yeah.

36:40
Yeah, like Canada, it's my first time.

36:44
But I think it went all right. Like it, the people laughed in the pauses that I had, you know, scheduled for them in

36:54
the bit at the end.

36:56
It's so true. And I like it's unbelievable how crafted people's stand up is then the more relaxed and off the cuff their same, the more craft that it is. It's crazy. It's crazy, hard work. And like I take my hat off to those guys. And so

37:12
for the three shows, you did do what is it? Did you feel like you haven't done the three shows, but by the third show you feeling more confident?

37:20
Yeah, well, after the first show, I like watched it back immediately. I was like, take that bit out, take that pit up. I you know, set something off the cuff that really worked. Like add that in. So in between one and two was like a significant jump in my own confidence and the actual set. And then three was just kind of like a like a farewell. Peace guys. I was like, I've nailed this. This is my career. Yeah, I've done two of these before. So that was just kind of like a nice, like, ooh, to end Really? Well. Let's do that again. Just do it with more confidence. You're going to do it again. Yeah, probably. I just, like, just so much. Like it's hard work. Yeah, it's just, it's so it's hard. And we sit down and try and write jokes. Like, it's really odd. And it doesn't come naturally to me, then I think so how did you do it? How did you What were you writing, I went across the road to the cafe and sat down, I just started writing. And then actually, that's what that that is true. But there was a before bit which is I I try and write ideas down or like funny things I think of in like just a list in my phone. And sometimes those things become videos, quite often they don't. So I just look back at the last. I don't know, however long I've been taking notes to find anything that was like, possibly funny. And like old tweets and that kind of thing and see if I could kind of expand them. And that was like how I shaped the whole set was like I've said five funny things once and I'm pretty sure these ones a actual funnies. Let's like expand those five things into 20 minutes of like material. I don't know if that's how people normally do it. But I just I just kind of sat down with that list just started writing went back to it chopped out stuff that wasn't funny and

39:13
hope for the best you dude do content that is very sort of positive and positive. And I guess that sort of family friendly stuff. Yeah. Clean as it has been a challenge. Riding waves of like creative burnout or anything like that GU pretty stable with that type of thing or do.

39:34
Yeah, at the moment. It's it's pretty stale. Like I've a bank of like ideas just from the list that I keep adding to, again, like 80% of the stuff I write down will never become anything but but possibly and it's tends to happen like one thing becomes my whole like, brand for the next three months. So for example in this was Maddie, other side of the summer Yahoo. Someone. Yeah, he came to me was like, we want to do some content around mass manifest site. Like, do you have any ideas on that? Nope, never seen the show. And they're like, What about? Have you ever tried like the bad lip reading stuff? I'm like, like, I hate doing ideas that have already been done. But they're going to pay me. So I ended up doing like, this first episode of mad at first sight. And I never done this like voiceover stuff before but I did it. And, and the video got like, a million views. Like, in a couple of days. It was funny as fuck. Okay, good. And then I was like, Whoa, like I we we as a main Yahoo really stumbled across this thing that people really enjoyed.

40:50
Yahoo just sounds like a friend doesn't

41:01
like the marketing for some division. No,

41:04
it's Yeah, it's a head of content at Yahoo lifestyle. Australia. There's I mean, yeah, his huge neck is one section of that, because they used to repost my bachelor videos, which is why I started the rest ship with him.

41:18
So you have Skype calls? Like I'm curious about this? Because they have an office in 99. Ms. And

41:24
they were they were CIE seven that split. So they just That's right, you know, and then

41:29
yeah, they're in Sydney there.

41:30
Yeah, yeah. just met at their office. And yeah, the lady was like, got this idea. I was like, not CK never done it before. Like, don't want to rehash that bad. The printing guys who were like smashing it, but they're paying me so

41:46
what did they want out of it? Did they make it clear? Like, this is what the ROI is for? No,

41:51
no, they just want to content around manifest site on your channel, but would be like shed, they would sit on their channel, I'd share it, that kind of thing. But yeah, we stumbled across this thing that was like, absolute gold. Like, every week how to get a video had a million views, which that's never happened for me ever. Like, I've had some videos which have multiple million views, but they're like, one offs, like, you know, four years ago, like, I'm not doing consistent content that's getting those views. But the this kind of happened and it was out of nothing. Which he had, like I'm saying like 80% of the ideas I have become nothing. But maybe that 1% is the thing that, you know, I'm kind of known for now. Is this between the lines, liberating reality shows, and it came out of nowhere, so I'm like, I wonder if that will happen again with something else. So yeah, with with creative burnout, I haven't found it in like the last year of doing stuff. Because I have so many ideas I just haven't done yet. Even if they're not good.

42:56
That's the beauty of it. It's like trying, all trying these ideas is will be the difference. Yeah. finding out whether it work or not. The dancing that you live stream. Yeah. Why can't Wednesday? fact you got some good dance moves? There was this one where this woman walk past?

43:17
Oh, my gosh, my doors.

43:18
What was it? ND Sandy? I went on a stalking mission. Did you? Did you find that found Sandy? Yeah. The following? Oh, no, I didn't follow that was a bit too far. But tell. Tell.

43:29
Tell us about what what happened? Well, so the wake up Wednesdays. And this was kind of back where maybe I was. I was trying to make consistent content, I didn't have an idea for consistent content. But one thing I was doing when I was at church, as I need to get into a good routine, but I hate waking up in the morning. So I was like, one thing I love doing is dancing and just like to good music. It always like wakes me up instantly. So I was like, why not just try new I wake up and the first thing I do is put on my favourite song and dance. So I started doing it and like it worked. Like it got me, it got me happy. I'd go like to the gym, like consistently and then go to work. It was like such a great routine. And I was like I'll do it every day said wake up dance like one or two songs and get on with my day. So then I was thinking of like consistent content. I was like, maybe like I'm already doing it, maybe I could just share it with the world. So I chose a Wednesday to wake up Wednesday, Instagram Live Stream, dancing to one song and started out like that a dancer like quarter past six, that was my routine. So no one would watch it. But some people would kind of comment during the day as they watched it. Yeah, from before. And then that kind of transitioned into getting people to vote for the song that they wanted on the Tuesday night. And then that transition into getting people to submit their own dancing videos on a Wednesday. So that's where it kind of siloed you say everyone's that do this. And then I repost people's dancing videos on Wednesday. But now that I've moved, I do it generally outside, because I live across the road from a park. So I get to go across this park One morning, and people will pass because it's like a nice part to walk. And I try to ignore them like, like, even though I've been doing it for so long. I'm still like, the weird guy dancing in the park. But there's this one morning, I was setting up my compete on a being I have a special being that I put my computer on put my phone down, so I can play the music and dance and and there's this old lady kind of coming towards me and I'm I try to ignore people before I'm like dancing because I can't I'm like, Oh, this is I Okies but then I he like this little voice. She's like, it's your name Josh, as I want. Oh, yeah. How do you know? She's like, Ah, I'm a couple of weeks ago, I walked past like behind you. And my niece, like, pointed me out and said you and this Josh is like dancing. I was like, God, it's amazing. And I'm like, so are you gonna dance with me this morning? And she was like, No, she's like, I've just like got a hip replacement. So I'm kind of, like 70 years old. But then, like, because I was live streaming at that point. I was like, Hey, everyone, if you want Sandy to dance, you got a message right now, dance and the dance. And so all these messages came through and I'm like Sandy, they want you to dance. And she's like, okay, we're dancing too. Crazy and love Beyonce that morning. So she joined me and and then I just put put the video together of her reacting to not wanting to dance, but then get people to make a dance. And was that was one of my favourite ones. Because normally they just like, it is what it is I dance, like I'm, but every now and then. And this almost happened this Wednesday, I went across the park, set my stuff up, there was an old man and Lady walking towards me. So I ignored them. Like I still do a cycle, just wait till they will pass and then stop playing the music. And then as I walked past, my wife was opposite me just chillin. And she was like, that's Malcolm.

47:33
And I was like, what, like, that was back.

47:37
And I'm like, Oh, I missed an opportunity where I should have just started dancing, and just get his reaction. Or like, if I noticed that was him be like, Malcolm, come take a dance. So yeah, every now and then, you know that being guy comes and interrupts me or like, Sandy walks past and it makes for an interesting Wednesday.

47:57
Do you ever switch off?

47:59
Switch personally,

48:00
like, with all the ideas, you've got a list of ideas? Is there a time where you're not creating or coming up?

48:11
Not really, it's been pretty flat out.

48:14
Like, I kind of count my blessings that I haven't, you know, haven't gotten to a Wednesday in the last year. I think I started doing this, like, over a year ago. Where I'm like, Jay, life sucks today. But like this week has been, you know, the week from hell and I just don't feel like dancing, especially on the internet. Yeah. So kind of camera that things that I've never had a week or a day that has really, you know, that I wanted to like retreat from the internet, which is my job. And like, I know that that day will comes like it definitely will come. Like especially with the baby's coming in two weeks. Like, I know it's gonna different cool, I'm going to be sleep deprived, like, you know, there'll be emotions and hormones and all those things surrounding it. And I think that's fine. I'm confident to be you know, to actually take a break from social media if I need like

49:15
to have a plan. Like what is the breakdown? Yeah.

49:18
Yeah, sit down like those YouTube is like the apologies, guys, I guess.

49:23
I feel like you've got so much content that you've got a bank of stuff that you could put stuff out every single day without actually.

49:31
Yeah, I don't really have. Any bank I have is like doing throwbacks, which I didn't try and do once a week but like today, so actually, Mondays are really just throw us off. Well, how do you wake up Wednesdays, I got fashion Fridays, and I thought it might be overkill to do another one. Yeah, maybe I should just do everyday motivation Mondays. Yeah, like cheese, cheese, cheese cheese to cover myself and cheese. Yes. So I don't I don't know. I think like preempting it because the bachelor finale is next week, and then the week after the baby's born. And normally The Bachelorette starts. So it's possible that the baby will we be people on during an episode of The Bachelorette? And that's one of my things that I do bachelor recaps every week, and I haven't missed one. So I'm preempting to be able to have to say to people Hey, got a pretty good excuse. Me, oh,

50:27
you might feel like doing it. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. I mean, it's it is a hard time but dancing she makes me feel good. makes other people feel it helps me wake up

50:36
and maybe that maybe I needed every day. Yeah, baby comes. But yeah, now I feel. I feel like I'm okay. Like, haven't needed to take a break from social media. Which is cool. Like, again, I count my blessings with that.

50:50
What content online you loving at the moment? Who are you following?

50:58
Ah, like a big big YouTube watch.

51:04
I'm watching I'm watching like throwbacks of this channel h3, h3. Yeah.

51:11
And their journey is pretty interesting. Like,

51:13
favouring to, I feel like I haven't popped up in my

51:15
feet lightly. Yeah, the weather is definitely so down there doing like podcast stuff. Baby, baby, baby. Yeah, that's probably what I haven't seen him. But yeah, some of the old stuff is just it's so good. Like, their, their reaction videos to I think he really nailed it with that stuff. So I've just been weird re watching. And I've watched three seasons, complete seasons of survivor in the last week. Wow, the old stuff or some old school, some recent. Yeah. Like, I've never been a survivor fan. Until we started watching the Australian one. It was like, this is actually a really good show. And say, then we like we've been just this whole season in tonight's one of the like, the best American seasons and all that. This is it. There was another one, and we just finished last night, a third whole season in a week. So I want you to let a survivor

52:12
and is the idea that your turn it into some form of creative yourself.

52:18
But how do you know that way?

52:22
You've only got your inputs, whatever you import, you could eventually Yeah,

52:26
I am currently doing the voiceovers for Yahoo for that survivor Australia. So I am doing that. But it's actually quite difficult because they mumble a lot because I quite tired. So it's hard to like, read their lips. And yeah, it's it's actually hard shy to liberate.

52:44
Is there any easy way to do the liberating thing? Is there

52:47
is no easy way.

52:48
so badly Bry the really, really famous Yeah, they I was thinking surely they're taking the dialogue

52:59
spits out this word could look like this. And then we jumble and

53:02
well, I don't know how they do it. But I'm assuming they haven't, like, you know, come up with some magical formula. The only way it was how I do it, is I watch the show without audio world, which is like a portion of the show. And if something pops up, it looks like he's saying spaghetti. Am I okay, what could he be saying about spaghetti? and say, I eat spaghetti and like, sometimes it works. Sometimes I Oh, and nailed it. Sometimes you just give up because it's like, he's just mumbling and he says spaghetti with the virus is difficult because it again they mumble there's a lot of like reaction shots. So they're actually saying anything. But we do like one run through. Were just like, Okay, what, what are they saying? Then? Then you gotta figure out a whole sentence. And then you have to make that sentence funny in the context of the whole video. Yeah. So it's a really long, difficult process. But when you nail it, it's like really funny.

54:03
What does it look like from a technical point of view you'd like in Premiere Pro or something? And yeah,

54:08
so I mean, Final Cut, watching it like scrolling with like a little text block, like copy, paste, and then a right in. So I'll go back to it. And like, again, some things get deleted some things that funny if I put it with two things and like create, you know, 30 seconds about cats, because one person was talking about cats. And then the second person was Yeah, so it's long. It's that's why the bad lip reading guys do like a video every three months. They're probably a real jobs. But it's it's a cool, it's like a mathematical process, almost like, this is going to take the next five hours, but I'm in it for the long haul. Because I know that the you know, the end products gonna be good.

54:51
Which bit of the process Do you love most? Or not even have that just of making videos,

54:57
making videos.

55:01
Watching it when it's done.

55:03
So then you mustn't hate the, all the other bits.

55:07
I'm like an editor at heart. That's kind of like making videos for church and youth group got into editing pretty early and say, that's just kind of be my thing. So yeah, I love the Edit. Because you can take things, something that is not working, and make it work just in the Edit. It's powerful. But it's also scary when you like, he watched something you've shot he like, Ah, this is not funny. And it's supposed to be Will I be able to like, save it with an edit. And sometimes it can sometimes you kind of

55:40
it's a lot about problem solving, I guess.

55:43
Yeah. And just cutting like, you know, you might shoot something that's two minutes long. And that only a minute of it is funny. He's he or it's an Instagram video. It's got to be a minute, but there's two minutes of good footage. So you've got to figure out okay, you know what, something dear to me. That's really funny that I can just cut. And that's a hard decision. Sometimes

56:05
you saying any trends being in the position that you are, I guess you're having conversations with brands?

56:12
what's the what's the new theme,

56:14
or even the new thing like, obviously, the classics, I like Tick Tock and stuff. But I guess, on sort of a broader, more strategic level, like if people want to people resonating with a very sort of content level, not necessarily platform.

56:35
I didn't like for me.

56:39
It's hard, because like Facebook is like the rule, but they changed their algorithms, and really changed the game a lot. And so even with like my bachelor's stuff, which is so measurable over the last three years, I've now I have to rethink it. And think, is this actually working on this platform? So yeah, I don't really know what's the new thing. But like, at some levels, I've been really disappointed in my own like numbers. Because like I thought I could rely on you know, this bachelor content and then took a dip. I'm like, Is it me? Is it the anger, like having all these thoughts, but then I made this video on the very end, or like, even past the end of the bottle cap challenge. had this idea of like doing a Vegemite one, like just making it real Ozzie and using a phone and flicking it from my my foot and like it hitting perfectly and this thing spinning off and then land down under starts playing and I danced around like it and Ozzy larrikin, and then I like, I did that video. And it had like, 1.4 million views. And I was like, I'm back baby. Like, screw you algorithms. Like, it's just nice to have something that's like, I wouldn't say it went viral necessarily. But it's like, okay, like, you know, the thing that I most relied on, you know, isn't giving me the confidence. But just this little idea that I didn't think would go anywhere. Has that cut a little? Yes.

58:21
It's nice when you can not even that example. But breaking the rules. Yeah, doing a longer video than everyone say, yeah,

58:28
you gotta do it every three minutes. And then you make a 10 second video. It's like that work? Yeah,

58:32
I think not everyone knows. We can do know, what is kind of working? What isn't working, then you work it out? Yeah.

58:40
Yeah. And again, it's, it's like I said before, it's like, what do you value? And I try as hard as I can to not value numbers. Because I often don't mean anything. Yeah, like a big number doesn't mean anything. And a low number might not mean anything. And some of like my innovative comes proudest work is something that is never ever going to viral. And any a few people have kind of seen it. But I'm like, that's probably the funniest thing. And most creative thing I've ever done. And that's the value that value isn't that a million people have to see it.

59:12
You can tell that as well. Tommy and I always talking about what we love about your content is that you look like you're having fun doing it. And it doesn't fit even though there's you know, you work with brands, you're, you're a dude who wants to make this thing. And so you make it Yeah, I think that that's like, that's what the like, if you can look at anything as a trend, I guess that's it. And if you're being true to your voice as a creator, and you having fun,

59:39
yeah, it's been cool, like having to do brand stuff to make a living. To really like work with brands, who really came to that just risk things. And I generally don't say yes to the brands who, like, you know, give you a script and say, you know, please say these words and don't say these things. If they're smart, they they think getting you for a reason. And they want your audience as well. So yeah, it's been really fun to work with brands, and they're like, just, you know, do do whatever you want. Or they give you a brief and like a throw it in the being. And then I create something in there like, ah, like, that was the best. I'm like, Yes, because I didn't listen to this crazy like the break. Do you do that? Even with the chance of them going? Not everyone? Absolutely. I'm like, has it happened? I don't know why I was so confident about it.

1:00:34
Well, that's hired you for a reason. Yeah, exactly. And that's I guess the part of it is it's

1:00:38
well, even to the point where I've said yes to a few like photo campaigns. And I, and I don't do a photo. And they've come like the current one has come back and be like, Oh, yeah, by the way, yours was our favourite by far. We're going going into phase two, we're going to like, you know, get you on board for the second part. And like, I knew it, like I knew if I took the risk, even with the format that they have that and if I do a really good job, like that's what they want. They maybe they want you to follow the rules. I met I say that I haven't come up against anyone who's like, you didn't do the brief. We're not paying not Yeah, yeah. But I'm sure it will happen.

1:01:28
And you're being true to yourself. And yesterday. Yeah. I think that there's so many people who, you know, young people who want to be YouTubers and doing all of that stuff. And I think it's refreshing to hear someone like yourself, who is just being authentically them, doing it the way that you want to do and actually have it succeed and work. It's nice.

1:01:51
Yeah. Yes. Like, oh, man, like you got away with that one. But um, yeah, it's nice to get that feedback. Particularly from brands cuz Yeah, it gives you confidence. But I actually I think I know what I'm doing. And like, my ideas are all right. Like, yeah,

1:02:08
it's a weird time. We're in like, you can have a living doing this stuff. Yeah, we got to be grateful for that. Yeah, as well. Because it hasn't always been this case. I think it's getting not it's still very hard, but it's getting easier. All brands are starting to understand that we want to put our trust in Josh. Yeah.

1:02:27
And you do you

1:02:28
Yeah, and that's super powerful. Because it hasn't always been like that.

1:02:31
No, no, I know. The tide is turning a little bit

1:02:36
which is cool. Yeah, I'm like I'm stoked to be doing what I'm doing and I'm just like riding the wave because I who knows what's next? Yeah, like it's not gonna happen but like tomorrow Facebook could be no longer and then you like okay.

1:02:52
or Instagram? Like just you know, changing

1:02:58
the apocalypse Hey, people are like oh my gosh, the taken away likes

1:03:05
like what if one day petrol no longer works in cars?

1:03:12
Everyone's Nice, nice Dr. matrix.

1:03:14
So you're Hi Josh. everywhere on the internet just about

1:03:20
Yeah, website domain. It's got the website got the YouTube and Instagram got Facebook didn't get Snapchat. But then.

1:03:30
Anyway.

1:03:35
Yeah, I didn't get I didn't get high Josh. Um, so I've never used

1:03:43
someone just simply someone named Josh. I'm assuming by Josh.

1:03:48
Yeah, my my niece yesterday was like, you gotta get on Tick Tock. And I'm like, I understand where she's coming from. And maybe she's right. She's right. I can tell you

1:03:57
that your stuff.

1:03:58
Yeah. Dancing and stuff. Like, you can see me in the Ozzy's that like even actually, you look at the Australia Anna that happens on Tick tock, you've already done it. We're the you know what, as he said,

1:04:12
Today, you literally could just build out the next 50 ways. I know,

1:04:18
that's what I want knows. I got dreads in this video,

1:04:21
a video of mine got like 150,000 plays or whatever it is, and so many comments. Just a good videos, one that went viral.

1:04:29
With it with

1:04:33
your stuff. You might as well. Okay.

1:04:35
I will look into it once the baby comes. And we'll see how it go.

1:04:39
Okay. Can we feature in a two? We should do? We should do some form of con.

1:04:44
Yeah, I'll give you my agent smooth.

1:04:47
Do you have an agent?

1:04:49
Yeah. I have a manager. Yeah.

1:04:52
I see the last three or four weeks I signed my life away to a measure and what I haven't had to read a contract that since then, and I haven't had to negotiate with the brand. I just sit back and kick things off Vegemite jobs and eat early and now it's been really good. That they're awesome. That's that's a good thing. So Darryl, the company's called MTM media talent management and my manager is Laura. She's about to have a baby too.

1:05:30
Congratulations, Laura.

1:05:34
Titus

1:05:37
good tonight. Thank you for coming into our makeshift studio at the hello world and Hello. It's

1:05:43
Yes, it's a beautiful room. I might have a full cat so much money on

1:05:51
the table it says

1:05:54
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1:06:13
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1:06:18
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1:06:23
just dancing