We chat about WWE wrestling, open a package sent in from Gronk Fabian, read an email from Charlotte and talk about getting good sleep!
Show Notes
At a glance
From this episode’s transcript.
- –Tommy and Josh unboxed a care package from a listener in Austria containing an AeroPress, local chocolates, salts, and sweets, which they planned to use for the upcoming Episode 1000.
- –The pair discuss how international shipping registers (flags of convenience) let companies skirt labour laws, using the Suez Canal/Ever Given blockage as a jumping-off point.
- –Tommy reflects on his fear of being tired rather than fear of death, saying he needs at least 7.5 hours of sleep to feel functional.
- –Tommy is listening to the self-help audiobook 'Feeling Good' by David D. Burns but finds it hard to follow in audio form since it references diagrams and charts.
- –A recurring Gronk-submitted riff on croissant quality (crumb texture as an indicator of freshness) continues from a prior episode, prompted by an email from a listener named Charlotte.
Questions this episode answers
What does 'nothing good happens after 9:30' mean on The Daily Talk Show?
It's a joke Tommy coined after leaving a Saturday night engagement party at 9:30pm, riffing on the more common saying about nothing good happening late at night (usually referencing hours like midnight to 3am), but applied to his own early bedtime preference.
What did Fabian send Tommy and Josh in episode 989?
A 1.86kg package from Austria containing an AeroPress coffee maker, Austrian rock salt, chocolates, Neapolitan wafers, Hubba Bubba gum, coffee, and a handwritten letter.
Why did Starbucks struggle in Melbourne?
Tommy mentions a YouTube video explaining that Starbucks went from around 27 stores down to far fewer in Melbourne/Victoria, implying the brand failed to catch on compared to local cafe culture.
Episode TranscriptShow
Josh: It's a very low barrier to get into the Gronk Squad. That's crazy!
Tommy: We've committed to do The Daily Talk Show for 10 years.
Josh: Hi guys! Hi guys!
Tommy: Put it in the calendar. I'd just like to cheque the temperature in the room. I told you my squeegee story.
Josh: It is outrageous.
Tommy: Come on, let's go. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 989.
Josh: Happy Monday to you, everybody.
Tommy: Doesn't feel like Monday, does it? That's why you were struggling.
Josh: Feels like midnight. Feels like Sunday.
Tommy: That's a joke. That's the joke that we make when we're feeling a little exhausted. Could be middle of the day. Yeah. Feels like midnight.
Josh: Midnight. I mean, I remember staying up to midnight as a kid. Oh man. God, there's some good times. I know why you love nostalgia so much.
Tommy: Yes. Yeah.
Josh: Staying up to 12:45 when the WWF was on, the wrestling. It was a big thing. I had my mate sleep over and we stayed up late to watch the wrestling. It was, you know, the thing that's like on so late because it's like pretty naughty. Yeah, no one like— it didn't— I mean, it had a big following, '80s, '90s wrestling, but I don't know why they mustn't have put it on during the day.
Tommy: What's happened now with the wrestling?
Josh: Um, who's into wrestling?
Tommy: It's not cool.
Josh: Well, there's some people that really think it's cool, but it is— there's a very much a people who think wrestling is really cool, a real subculture. You know, it's like there's a certain type.
Tommy: Did you ever go to a Melbourne— like, because they came to Melbourne, I think.
Josh: Absolutely not. No, not into standing, you know, sitting 4Ks away from people sort of, you know, not really— they're fighting.
Tommy: The Rock came out of wrestling.
Josh: Yeah, I mean, he was great. I used to watch it. I was obsessed with it when I was younger.
Tommy: Do you remember Kane?
Josh: Kane? Kane?
Tommy: Long hair, a red mask.
Josh: Kane? No. Yeah, that's a guy. Oh, what was he?
Tommy: Stone Cold Steve Austin.
Josh: Yeah, Stone Cold.
Tommy: My black Speedos.
Josh: The Undertaker.
Tommy: Yes.
Josh: But then there was like Rey Mysterio. He used to wear a mask too. I used to have the wrestling game on Nintendo 90. Nintendo 64.
Tommy: Was there WWC?
Josh: WWE. WWF.
Tommy: So, WWE was created because WWF were sued by the Wildlife Foundation or whatever.
Josh: Yep, yep, yep. And changed.
Tommy: And so, they changed to WWE. But no, there was Stone Cold— Sorry, not Stone Cold Steve Austin. The guy who had the sex tape.
Josh: Hulk Hogan.
Tommy: Hulk Hogan.
Josh: Yeah, he's in the old, old league.
Tommy: So, what was it? Yeah. So, that league was called—
Josh: Uh, WWE maybe?
Tommy: No, no, he was, he was in a different, a different league. I'm gonna look it up.
Josh: I used to love the Royal Rumbles. Yeah, just be 20 blokes in a ring just fucking pushing each other, you know, just fighting.
Tommy: Would you say wrestling league? Stone Cold, uh, what's his name again?
Josh: Hulk Hogan.
Tommy: Hulk Hogan.
Josh: Oh dude, he was jacked. Just his yellow little shorts, his little undies or whatever they were, red, and he just, that thing around his head. Oh, he was, he was a real weapon.
Tommy: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of, um, there's a lot of different, uh, places I think that he wrestled.
Josh: Andre the Giant was from, uh, Hulk Hogan's league.
Tommy: Do you know how tall Hulk? Yeah, I reckon he'd be 6'2", 6'7".
Josh: Oh geez, he's a big man.
Tommy: Yeah, isn't that crazy?
Josh: Big man.
Tommy: So, um, no, you're right, Hogan began his professional wrestling career in 1977. Yeah, dude, he was old when I was watching it. Gained worldwide recognition after signing for the World Wrestling Federation, WWF, now WWE, in 1983.
Josh: Holy shit.
Tommy: Um, during his initial run, Hogan also won the WWF Championship 5 times, with his first reign holding the record for the second longest in company history. Yeah, man, maybe I'm thinking of the Royal Rumble. Oh no, here you go. No, in 1993, he departed the WWF to sign for a level promotion, the WCW. Oh yes, Championship Wrestling. That's what I remember.
Josh: Yeah, the game was based— I think there was a game based on the WCW.
Tommy: Yeah. God, it was a real vibe, wasn't it?
Josh: The guy who took over from me in Shepparton, uh, on the radio there, Simon Tackler, obsessed with like—
Tommy: got the name for it—
Josh: obsessed. Would go overseas and interview them. When he was here, when they were here, he'd go in and interview all the wrestlers.
Tommy: It's fun.
Josh: But yeah, anyway, package has arrived today.
Tommy: Yes, it is a big one too.
Josh: How, what's the weight on it?
Tommy: This is 1.86 kilograms. 1.86, yeah. Coming from Austria.
Josh: Dude, I'll take whatever's in that.
Tommy: Alright, are you ready?
Josh: Unless it's a kitten.
Tommy: So, it's got a lot of, it's got a lot going on. A lot of tape. It's—
Josh: And it's not red tape. Thank you very much.
Tommy: I don't get it.
Josh: You know, the red tape.
Tommy: As in too much red tape. Bureaucracy.
Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's too much red tape.
Tommy: I mean, the stuff that's happening in the— with that ship.
Josh: It's moved.
Tommy: Bullshit.
Josh: Yeah. Clap it in. After 6 days, the Suez Canal, or I can't say it properly, but they have moved it. I just saw today. Literally, it's 5 o'clock on a Monday.
Tommy: This is what happens when I don't read news for a couple of days, because everything that I'm telling you, you're giving me the latest update. So, I said to you, I'm like, oh, did you hear about the guy that had a party with 25 people? He had COVID. You had COVID. You're like, nah. No, he didn't. Nah, mate. I was like, okay, well, that's the latest. And then I've just said about this and you're like, nah, nah, you're wrong. You're the guy that knows.
Josh: It's actually a good feeling. That you're a headline guy and so am I, and I've just read the latest.
Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the latest headline.
Josh: So, tanker MV Ever Given partially refloated after blocking Suez Canal. It looks crazy, that canal, like ginormous ships cruising through just to get through to the other side of this canal.
Tommy: It gets you excited about logistics. Does it?
Josh: What does? I mean, I've always thought, like, looking out in the bay here in Melbourne I was— I've always thought, imagine— oh, it's a bit of—
Tommy: it's a nice bit of strength to that tape that they've wrapped it with. So it's from Fabian. Careful, careful, the knife.
Josh: No, be careful of it falling out, whatever's— whatever the 1.86 kilos is. I've always thought about like, who's out there? What are those kind of— what's— what kinds of people are on there? What do they do on the ship?
Tommy: Yeah, yeah.
Josh: What are they up to?
Tommy: A lot of bad shit. You're right.
Josh: You're in—
Tommy: they just— I just imagine it's like, you know, it feels lawless. I watched a documentary about, can't remember where it is. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com, send us an email if you know. But I'm going to say Panama.
Josh: There's a Panama Canal.
Tommy: No. So, there is a place where everyone signs up their ship because they don't have to deal with the law. So, you have to deal with the laws of whatever the flag is that you wear.
Josh: Okay.
Tommy: On the ship, like the ship that you have, the flag you have on the ship. And so, what happens is if you go into the US, into US waters, you'll see a bunch of companies that are technically from the US, but they're registered in countries where minimum wage is low, like you don't have to have a minimum wage. And so, it's a way of scooting through some of this human rights stuff. So, it's not great. You ready for this?
Josh: Panama's one of those places. Mel Gibson has an apartment in Panama.
Tommy: Really?
Josh: I don't know, some shit's going on down there. There's like access to, you know, drugs. Mate, have you just spent half an hour cutting that open and you're still really—
Tommy: Okay, are you ready? Okay, I'm gonna open it. This is from Fabian, but I'm not gonna— So ready? You're gonna see it.
Josh: Yeah, but don't, don't pour it out. Oh man, this could be a, this could be a nightmare. Hang on, here's it. Oh my God, it's a cat! No, it's not.
Tommy: Okay, ready?
Josh: All right, it's got— You can open it.
Tommy: Can you describe it?
Josh: It's a paper. Paper.
Tommy: So how great is that? So it's some paper in German. Oh, this is nice. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness.
Josh: What have we got?
Tommy: An AeroPress.
Josh: Yes.
Tommy: And we've got a letter. Fabian, this is—
Josh: I've always wanted an AeroPress for the office.
Tommy: Oh, this is—
Josh: can you just show me that?
Tommy: Primal rock salt from Aussie, exquisite quality for— okay, okay, that's a—
Josh: that's like a promotional piece of—
Tommy: yes.
Josh: Okay, here we But we've got a handwritten note.
Tommy: This letter is so long.
Josh: Okay, just grab a section, read the first paragraph, and then I think we read it. Maybe he doesn't want us to read it out.
Tommy: Yeah. Yeah, we'll read it off air. This is so nice.
Josh: This is beautiful.
Tommy: He likes the profound conversations to just the trash talk.
Josh: Great. That's what we do.
Tommy: That is so nice.
Josh: The yin and yang.
Tommy: Look what he's— Oh, bullshit.
Josh: Trash in the treasure.
Tommy: A Kinder Überraschung. Wait, Überraschung. Überraschung Maxi.
Josh: Wow. So, that's the Kinder Surprise. It's a Kinder Surprise. Do not have that in a location that Bodhi can see it.
Tommy: He will smash it.
Josh: He loves it.
Tommy: We have some salts. Some salts.
Josh: This is great.
Tommy: We have Oh, this looks— oh my goodness. Uh, Café Kondiotere Salzburg.
Josh: Chocolate? And throw that.
Tommy: Yeah, I'm not throwing it. It's delicate. How? It will fall out.
Josh: Cash. Oh yeah, I see what you mean.
Tommy: Um, but then— oh, this looks—
Josh: I feel like he's gone to a café and just like bought these and now he's sending them over. This is great.
Tommy: I wonder how long it took to get here. And some Neapolitan wafers.
Josh: And these are balls.
Tommy: And of course, Hubba Bubba Megalang. Oh yeah, different flavors.
Josh: Dude, that's for Chewy Tuesday.
Tommy: And coffee. Is this coffee? Yes, dude. Mate, that is so generous.
Josh: This is real good. Thank you. Thank you so much. That—
Tommy: thanks, Fabian.
Josh: That Aeropress, I reckon, will get a good run on Ep 1000 for when we're, um, feeling a bit tired. Get us fired up.
Tommy: So this, this chocolate, should we— like, let's have a look. So what's the deal? So it's a ball.
Josh: How do you feel about just eating things that are sent to us?
Tommy: Absolutely. I trust him.
Josh: Not saying you don't trust him. Not saying I don't.
Tommy: I'll bloody eat it. I'll eat the whole bag. Here we go.
Josh: I've eaten other stuff off the ground before.
Tommy: There we go. It's gotten a little melted from the, um, the shipping. Do you reckon this has come on the, um, how do you describe it?
Josh: Um, hard to describe. Like, um, amaretto-y? No. Imagine if we got really high after eating.
Tommy: It's like, um, a nice, um, like a powdery consistency inside.
Josh: Yeah, dude, my hands are all gone.
Tommy: Love Fabian.
Josh: Um, I got given a—
Tommy: we'll read the letter off there—
Josh: a pod. I mean, it sounds like we just get given everything. Um, I got given a pod machine yesterday. Like a coffee pod machine.
Tommy: Oh my goodness.
Josh: De'Longhi.
Tommy: From who?
Josh: My brother. I forgot to ask why he doesn't want it. It works. But I tell you what, I went to buy coffee pods for the first time. Just tired and being an idiot. I bought the wrong ones. They don't even fit the machine. I've got to take them back to the supermarket. Yeah. Very annoying admin to have to do.
Tommy: So, did you get in like a no-brand sort of thing?
Josh: No, it's a De'Longhi. It's like I should have just known.
Tommy: But you got that brand of pod?
Josh: I got Starbucks.
Tommy: Yeah, well, this is your problem. And so, what does Starbucks allow?
Josh: Big ones. It turns out Starbucks have their own machine.
Tommy: Oh, really? Do you know?
Josh: Yeah, dude. So, I've got to take them back.
Tommy: Actually, that made me laugh. I was doing an interview and obviously, some kids love Starbucks to the point where it's a flex, whereas like, yeah, I go to, go to the city, go to Starbucks.
Josh: That was quite funny. But I mean, it is, it's actually more unique than saying just going to a local cafe. Like, there's less, there's hardly any Starbucks. It just depends if you, you know, if that's your flavour or not.
Tommy: Well, if you type in Melbourne Starbucks into YouTube, you'll see that a whole video about why Starbucks failed Oh, really? In Melbourne.
Josh: Yeah. But they're still here.
Tommy: They went from like 27 stores to—
Josh: They had 27 stores in Melbourne?
Tommy: Yeah. In Victoria, I think, or in Australia.
Josh: Holy moly.
Tommy: They had a bunch.
Josh: There's a ginormous drive-through Starbucks, like a new one out in Sydney in these suburbs near where Amy's mum lives. And I haven't been there yet. I want to go there.
Tommy: Sounds good.
Josh: But I have a thing, like I can't drink— I want to drink the frappés. But I don't want to drink the frappés.
Tommy: Well, Dunkin' Donuts are huge in the US. Never came here, but the whole— I don't think Dunkin' has.
Josh: Maybe.
Tommy: But the coffee, like Dunkin' Donuts coffee is like a really big thing. So, there's been a bunch of influencers that have done collabs. Dunkin' Donuts have now got the most amount of TikTok followers as a brand. On the platform.
Josh: Why?
Tommy: Because they've started a programme where they get their employees who are doing well on TikTok and give them access to the account.
Josh: Ah, yeah.
Tommy: Very clever.
Josh: I'll take over.
Tommy: They—
Josh: I saw Hog's Breath are in a bit of trouble.
Tommy: Yeah.
Josh: Hog's Breath. They were— Never been there. You ever been there?
Tommy: Love Hog's Breath.
Josh: Yeah. Do you? So, they used to be—
Tommy: Curly fries.
Josh: They used to be Hog's Breath Café.
Tommy: Not anymore. No.
Josh: So the original owners sold it, I think. And anyway, they've just got back into it because they're in a bit of trouble.
Tommy: Yeah. Well, I mean, George, I think, asked me, do they just do pork? Because I can see how you can make that mistake.
Josh: Hog. But they do steaks. No, they're like a Hog's Breath Steakhouse now.
Tommy: Okay.
Josh: Is that it?
Tommy: I'm guessing so. But I would compare it to an Outback Steakhouse potentially in style. There was a Lone Star.
Josh: There's no Outback Steakhouses in Melbourne.
Tommy: In Australia. Or is there?
Josh: Yeah. Amy used to work at Outback Steakhouse as a kid.
Tommy: Oh, my God.
Josh: 15-year-old. She used to, yeah, she used to work there, her and her sister.
Tommy: Is there any, has she got a photo of her working there?
Josh: She probably does. She'd be the cutest little thing. Just a little Christian girl, you know. Would you like fries with your, you know? That's cute though. But no, we never got, we never got that in Melbourne. We got, what was it? Lone Star.
Tommy: Lone Star, yeah.
Josh: And Sizzler.
Tommy: Yeah. Planet Hollywood at Crown.
Josh: Was that a thing? Planet Hollywood?
Tommy: Yeah.
Josh: You went there?
Tommy: Yeah, I think that went there once and there was another one that was like next to Planet Hollywood. Yeah, that was— it had a star in it as well.
Josh: I think we, uh, I mean, while we're on the food chat, um, our next-door neighbour sent Amy a text and she said, uh, she sent her a photo. I think it was like Loon, the cafe, the croissant, croissant, uh, people in Melbourne. They do some of the best. The person who founded that lived over in, um, I think they were originally an working in the F1 design. No, design. But then like took that, this is what I read once, took that sort of eye for precision and applied it to bakery treats, bakery goods, but then learned how to make the croissant.
Tommy: Did they put their hand up at the once I've done their croissant?
Josh: Don't know. But they now do some of the best croissants you'll ever have.
Tommy: And Charlotte, Gronkh Charlotte sent us a message.
Josh: Which I'll get to.
Tommy: I'll get to that.
Josh: I'll get to that. But Loon were doing a delivery. They have stores in Fitzroy, but they— this is what's happening now. These— I've seen a few restaurants that are sort of, you know, South Yarra location specific are now doing pop-ups.
Tommy: Sure.
Josh: In the 'burbs for people that live out there. So, it's like only people around here can order, you know.
Tommy: Well, Easy Street. Easies is now in Windsor.
Josh: Really?
Tommy: Yeah.
Josh: Little pop-up. And so, Loon were doing delivery.
Tommy: I don't think it's even a pop-up. I think they've just opened up. Yeah.
Josh: Down the far end near Windsor?
Tommy: No, High Street near sort of, sort of near Perran Grocer, I think.
Josh: Oh, cool.
Tommy: Just near Chapel.
Josh: So, Lune were delivering to Bulleen on Saturday morning. And so, we got a delivery of Lune croissants to our front door.
Tommy: That's cute.
Josh: I mean, do we need 6 croissants on a Saturday morning?
Tommy: Yes. Yes.
Josh: But there was some croissant banter on Friday's show, and there's more questions about it today, but, um, someone has archived her email, so now I can't find it.
Tommy: You just click all mail.
Josh: This is— yeah, I don't, I don't know how to do that really. Fuck that. That's why we don't archive shit.
Tommy: Well, you've got to get to inbox. Sorry. Have you found it? No. So if you scroll— are you in Apple Mail?
Josh: No.
Tommy: What do you use?
Josh: Uh, Spark. I just don't send an email through it.
Tommy: So, click on the— If you scroll down on the sidebar.
Josh: This is the most annoying thing about sharing an email. People archiving shit. Here we go. Charlotte. Hi, Tommy and Josh. I was happy to hear you found good croissants. I'll go and taste these one day. She lives in France. When I'll be allowed in Australia. Maybe she could deliver some homemade pastries to the studio.
Tommy: Love that.
Josh: Yes. Well, for the record, in a real croissant, an inside, an inside must be soft and airy and the outside must be crunchy. And one simple way to recognise a good texture for croissants is to cheque if you have crumbs when you eat it.
Tommy: Always. Always. Just cheque our car.
Josh: Normally you can't eat a croissant without making crumbs on the ground or on the table, but there shouldn't be too much crumbs. Fuck, this is where we're— we wouldn't know.
Tommy: Yeah. How many crumbs? Too many? How many is not enough?
Josh: Because then it can mean it's too dry, overcooked. So, this is— It's the crumb amount.
Tommy: Yeah.
Josh: Maybe we just eat a croissant onto a table and then take photos and send them to Charlotte for her—
Tommy: For approval. Yeah. I wonder how easy it would be to work out the quality of a croissant without eating it, just looking at it.
Josh: That would be a fun experiment where we have 3 croissants. We just eat them. We don't look down. We eat them and then make our calculation just on a piece of paper, which one we like, 1, 2 or 3. And then you look at the crumbs on the table and see if the favourite of ours matches up with the crumbage it has.
Tommy: You were talking before the show about going to bed early.
Josh: Yes. Getting an early night in.
Tommy: I had an engagement party on Saturday night. Did you go? Yes, I went.
Josh: And I thought you were going to say, I had an early night, didn't go.
Tommy: No, I nearly didn't go because of a sewage issue that we had, which is a whole nother story. But no, I had a great time.
Josh: Yeah.
Tommy: I said to someone, we're heading off, it was 9:30. I said, nothing good happens after 9:30. They thought that was ridiculous. Have you heard that saying?
Josh: No, because you've stolen that saying from nothing good happens after— It's usually insert really late time, like 3:00 AM, 12:00, 1:00, 2:00.
Tommy: Well, can we make that a thing? Nothing good happens after 9:30. Seriously. Think about it. What has happened that's good after 9:30?
Josh: Seriously? Um, depends on what context.
Tommy: With a group of people?
Josh: Oh dude, we've had— I've got fired up like 9:30, 10. It's, it's— as a parent, go home at like— if you're in bed before 12 and you've given it a good, good solid hit, you're good. Like, that's a good night. But it—
Tommy: you could peak at 9:30, isn't like— I feel like that's the— yeah, so it's about the peaking, isn't it?
Josh: You want to— you could peak at 9:30.
Tommy: Yeah.
Josh: If you're going out for dinner, you—
Tommy: and so don't— aren't you meant to leave on a high? So my point is, it's like I was peaking. Everyone's like, ah, it's like, no, no, like I went on the high and it felt really good.
Josh: No, that's all right. I mean, for you then, that saying works perfectly.
Tommy: Yeah, yeah.
Josh: But usually it's from 12 onwards. Okay. The shit that goes on in the nighttime.
Tommy: Yeah.
Josh: Like no one needs to be at the club at 3 AM.
Tommy: Have you ever been a night guy? So, like, so speaking to some friends and they say like, I can't, like, I'm a night owl, I go to bed at 1, 2.
Josh: No.
Tommy: And it's just, it's quite like I used to be like that. Like I used to be like work until 3 or whatever. No, not because I was busy, just because I— poor time, or not even poor time management, just thought that I liked doing that. But it's gotten to a point. So, for instance, I'm going to the golf range, driving range with George after this. I said to Bri, I'll be home around 8:30. And I said, oh, we could watch an episode of Shahs of Sunset when I get home. And she's like, isn't that a bit late for you? And because it is a— that is a bit of a contentious thing where it's like on Friday night, I said to Bri, I was like, It was like 6:30. I said, you know what, I'm going to stay up late tonight. And by 9:30, I said, do you want to go to bed? Listen to an audio book.
Josh: This was Friday.
Tommy: Yeah. And she said, you said like, she's like, I don't mind if you go to bed early, but just don't profess that you're going to, or, you know, claim that you're going to be staying up late if you're going to bed at 9:30.
Josh: I mean, we did. It's amazing how you can be an early night person, like you much prefer it. But then you, if you can push it and do the 24-hour stream that we did do.
Tommy: So, I like, I think the thing is that my biggest fear in life is not death. It's not getting sick. It's being tired.
Josh: And you're there. So, how's your biggest fear come true?
Tommy: No, but I think that I'm pretty good. Like, I, if I don't have the right amount of sleep, if I don't have at least 7.5 hours sleep, I feel like nothing good is going to happen. And so, there is an element of, you know, if I know that I've got to get up in the morning and I see that the time's ticking and I'm not in bed, there's a panic. I'm panicked. Yeah. Anyway, I've started listening to an audiobook that I saw in the comments of Diavalla's latest video about anxiety.
Josh: And what's it called?
Tommy: Feeling Good.
Josh: Feeling Good.
Tommy: Yeah, it's all about— What is it?
Josh: What does feeling good mean to you?
Tommy: Uh, feeling good is about— So I'll make sure that's— Yes, feeling good. The book, as in you just feeling good, is about, uh, being able to take everything that comes to you with grace. Do you think? Rather than like fucking getting angry about stuff or—
Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tommy: Um, book detail. Do you want to know what?
Josh: Yeah, I want to know what this book is.
Tommy: The good news is that anxiety, guilt, pessimism, procrastination, low self-esteem, and other black holes of depression can only be found with Josh— No, can be cured without drugs in Feeling Good Emmett's psychiatrist, David D. Burns, MD, outlines the remarkable scientifically proven techniques that will immediately lift your spirits and help you develop a positive outlook on life. Only criticism so far, a lot of references to the diagrams so that you have to download a PDF and look at diagrams. And when you're going to bed trying to listen to a book the most amount of sort of, um, uh, you know, self-awareness in that moment is to, you know, don't get angry about it, it's fine. Just ended up turning it off, to be honest.
Josh: But because it's a vision, you need to be seeing the pages.
Tommy: Well, yeah, because it's like you have, um, you do a questionnaire and it's like a scale of depression sort of thing. Okay. I'm guessing it's similar to what the doctors do before you're allowed to access those 10 free sessions or whatever.
Josh: Is it like listening to Barefoot's book but not doing anything? Barefoot, he, you know, wants you to sort of write out a bunch of stuff and— Yeah, well, look at some charts. It's potentially—
Tommy: Potentially, yeah, like it is— It feels like I'm listening to a textbook. Not good.
Josh: Uh, but there is something worth it though. I do like telling myself that just there is some version of a win within this.
Tommy: That's nice. Definitely. All right, well, enjoy your early night.
Josh: Yeah, gotta get that sleep, mate. If you're— if you rock up tomorrow and you're furious—
Tommy: no, no, no, I won't be tired.
Josh: No, good, good, good.
Tommy: Have we got to wake up early, do you think? I don't know, doing the show before or after? We'll talk about later. All right, uh, enjoy the rest of your day, guys. We'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one.
Josh: See you guys.
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