#971 – Gratitude & Versions Of Reality/
- March 3, 2021
We chat about different versions of the truth, the feeling of disappointing people, pain in the process, gratitude, effort and struggles.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
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- Margot’s YouTube comment
- Leaving The Internet
- Disappointing people
- Advice from the Internet
- Pain in the process
- Lovely emails from Gronks
- Podcast reviews
- Communicating your struggles
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Tommy Jackett: [00:00:00] It's very low barrier to get into the growing squad.
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Josh Janssen: [00:00:21] Oh, it's a daily talk show episode nine 71 fucking clubhouse accidentally pressed the notification. It just comes on clubhouse. You know what? I'm I'm deleting clubhouse because I've
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:32] turned off notifications for it. Uh, happy hump day. Everybody
Josh Janssen: [00:00:37] not only happy hump day, but also happy. Big cap company day.
Uh, please, uh, if you, uh, on YouTube hit, like on this video, uh, we have the, uh, the cups. They're 32 ounces. They're looking great.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:55] Yep. You ruined the shot holding up your phone while holding that cup. Sorry. So now hold it up. There you go. These are the big cups that you can get, uh, by registering your interest, big cup company.com.
We've already had a bunch and we've received the first shipment and we're going to be getting back to everybody who is. Yeah, put through their request. We're still ironing out the details. This is great. There's a lot to be grateful for today.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:23] Well, we do, we mention the fact that we ordered a hundred and now they got 20 look,
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:27] be grateful that you got 20.
Well, yesterday we were talking about gratitude. I
Josh Janssen: [00:01:32] know you went on a
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:34] nice walk. We probably should. That would is probably a great podcast. That whole walk. Yeah, it would have been a great podcast and that's the fine line of like, When do we decide? Cause you can come in. If you, if you've decided to go hard on a self-awareness in a conversation on a podcast.
Can sometimes fall flat for a couple of blokes that probably, you know, don't take notes or research heavily. Yeah. Are you
Josh Janssen: [00:02:01] referring to Margo's comment on YouTube? Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:05] let's read out Margo's comment. Okay. I hadn't planned to talk about Margo's comment, but I think probably today's a good day to talk about Margaret
Josh Janssen: [00:02:13] I'm actually just gonna make sure I'm pressing record.
I think I am. I'm just double checking.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:16] Yeah. Yeah. Look so we have a YouTube channel. If you're not subscribed, there's 14,000 people already subscribed the daily talk show. So youtube.com/the daily talk show. I am padding because I'm getting to Margo's comment. This was from the episode that we talked about all the business decisions we've made, uh, the hard.
Uh, business decisions yep. Including, um, where Mr. 97 has gone. Um, and that wasn't clubhouse that was just playing through. That was YouTube pre-roll. Um, actually I'm gonna keep playing that so we can earn a bit more money.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:55] Does it, is that how it works? I guess so, yeah. So get knows if it's your account though.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:59] Ah, yeah, it's onto us. So Margo, uh, never heard from Margo ever. On our YouTube channel. Yeah, one of the 14,000, maybe she was a subscriber. He was a subscriber. I don't know. Um, Margo is said, great to hear about the history and progression of your business and podcasts, shame. We only heard your version of one side of the difficult decisions story.
A bit justification, probably probably as Tommy said, and she quotes, he quotes 27 minutes 50. If you'd like to go to it. I said, you tell yourself a story to serve your vision or goals, or even when something negative happens. Uh, close quote, why not just tell it like it is whether it puts you in a bad light or not.
Sorry, guys. You've lost me. I now switch off best wishes for your future. Margo's missed the
Josh Janssen: [00:03:54] point there. Yeah. Yeah. I guess like it's it's when you get, if I think about, um, I spoke about it a week or so ago when very negative. I think this is part of it. Like there are. Comments like this, that we'll say every few weeks or whatever.
And if it gets you on the right at the right time, it can throw your day. It
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:18] I'm missing the point. Let me just explain to me saying that in the moment of talking about the, the situation we had at hand is made, acknowledging that. This is our version. There's a story going on within this business between you and I, because this is our reality at this moment.
But even in that reality, there is yours and mine were mutually have an understanding of what's happening and how things are playing out and why and how they say like, cause it serves to be mutually on the same understanding of the story or what's happening. And so it's reflecting that. Yeah. So this is our version of events.
And I think you can easily say, um, when hard things happen, like letting Mr 97 go and having to make him redundant, we could look at that and say it's positive, working hard and feels negative, but we can also say he's now got an opportunity to do X, Y, and Z. The business w you know, X, Y, and Zed. You can frame things.
And I think my point there was when things go bad, a way to get out of them, which is not excusing any truth or what is happening is to reframe them, to serve your goals and serve where you're going and serve your every day. Cause if you're waking up in your Margo and feeling like shit, And then not choosing to optimize the day by looking at what's going on in your life and thinking maybe this is a sign.
Maybe my sore body is a fucking sign to change it. Cause I feel like that right
Josh Janssen: [00:06:03] now. I think in that moment, I think that you were just, um, Uh, being genuine. When you say that there's multiple versions of every story and you can have the exact same experience, uh, in a moment, but based on all your other thoughts, feelings and experiences, you come out with a different story or slight, slightly different version.
And so just prefacing it and saying, Hey. The CS, a version. This is a story that we've told, I think is just like a polite thing to do for anyone that's not in the room. But I think that what the bit that Margot has missed is assuming like what that means is there's being some sort of manipulate active manipulation.
Is it like, this is the thing with filmmaking. When you make a documentary. As soon as you decide to point, point the camera somewhere, you're choosing to not point somewhere else. And so even if you say, Oh, you know, um, if you talk about, uh, objectivity or journalism, it's, it's a very hard thing to do because all of those small decisions, what you're going to talk about, who you're going to interview.
All of you, all of a sudden you are not objective because you are subjectively picking who to speak to them, which you know, side of the story to tell. And so I think that that's like, I think that this is a bigger point around black and white. So people thinking that things are good or bad, negative, positive, you were telling the truth or you're lying.
Um, and so I think that just because I'm like, I think. Yeah. When my head space goes with it, he's okay. Um, Margo's had some, some form of experience that we have triggered in her around. Okay. This is, um, you know, uh, you know, being the, the bad end of a story or whatever it is that then that sort of triggers it and so on, and that's their right to do to have that experience.
But I think, um, The thing that we are going to learn through all of this journey, which is the daily talk show is our ability to take on, or maybe not take on the, um, uh, the energy of others. So it can be great. It can be rewarding. You watch Billie Eilish and cheers. You know all about that, you know, loving the fans and all of that sort of thing.
And we feel the same way. We have a deep connection with a lot of grants, uh, but it also, we also, there needs to be a version where you can detach. From the negativity.
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:52] Hmm. Yeah. I mean, there's a, there's a risk of not being understood. And, and then what's your relationship with being misunderstood? Yeah.
And so that's something to look at, cause for Margo, not understanding, um, you know, multiple realities happening at the same time. You know, different experiences thinking about breakups, breakups are a great example because one person would say one thing. Yeah. Even when you hear some people like, Oh, it was amicable and there's like, Oh, that fucking nightmare that day.
Yeah. And I'm glad he's gone. There's two versions.
Josh Janssen: [00:09:27] Yeah. And you can see how quickly people will switch a version. Two. Yeah, when you're leaving a business or whatever it is. And so I guess you just can't get too connected to it. And there's nothing
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:40] even negative. I don't think in switching the story. So someone's saying one thing when they leave and how bomb they are to then establishing themselves in a new situation and only being able to do that by.
Telling the story. So initially it might've been, I never want to go, I don't want to leave to then get in a new place going. This is, for me, it was all right. Like this was meant to be, this is my home. And so, and that's not negative cause that's serving your future, serving your situation and your life. So yeah, I like that.
I mean, if, if the, the concept of multiple truths. Has not been one you've explored. It's very fascinating. Very interesting to think about it. Cause you, you realize that even your own truth isn't truth, even your own truth is a version or there's a high likelihood that it will mold over your
Josh Janssen: [00:10:41] lifetime.
Yeah. When we were watching the short documentary by the verge on Paul Miller, who left the internet for a year, he went to one of these mentors and he, and he suffered from depression. That's why he was really, he actually had depression.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:57] Yeah. I thought he's just sad.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:00] He, um, he goes to his mentor and is asking for advice.
And one thing that he, his mentor said, which I think resonated with both of us. I remember. Watching it eight years ago and really connecting with it. But it's just like, um, the ability to not hold on to this idea that you're part of a narrative that you are, that you are the protagonist in this narrative where you are our Instagram's blowing up.
Is that what you're looking at
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:30] posts as your delivery is on the
Josh Janssen: [00:11:31] way? Oh, that's exciting. Um, I wonder what that could be.
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:36] Yeah, it could be more cups.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:38] Can we be getting the notification? No,
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:41] no delivery on Thursday. The 11th of March, I was coming from Byron Bay. This is a book.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:48] Ah, great. Sam Harrisburg, uh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:51] stop lying.
And so what is it lying by Sam Harrison? Very,
Josh Janssen: [00:11:56] very funny. Very relevant. Um, yeah, so, uh, yeah, the idea of getting rid of. The narrative. And I think that we've had to do that a bunch, everyone being in a pandemic, all of a sudden you can't hold on to all of these things. And, um, I definitely feel. If listeners are feeling like what I feel at the moment is there's a shedding, um, that can happen where, you know, what's the feeling it's like, I do feel the sense that we've liked disappointed heaps of Abel.
Do you get that sense or know a little
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:31] bit, a little bit. Um, which is, which is annoying because it's not the feeling you want when you've been struggling. You're depressed and fucking not. I'm saying I'm pretty fucking depressed. I'm a bit miserable at moment, but I acknowledge that it's, that we're in a great place as a business, like so many positive things are happening, but I've struggled and lost a lot of fucking perspective and gratitude, which is yeah.
Where, where I'm at. And it's hard when. You, you can, you disappointing people, but you're actually fucking no good
Josh Janssen: [00:13:07] based on, and this is where the negativity was the other way around community and all that sort of thing is that it's like, it feels like it's the whole putting on your own mask first and, um, and old also I think about the empathy.
That I have for other people around certain things, or just the perspective on like, so I think that what happens when, what I've felt anyway is when you communicate how things are, or you communicate the negative side of things, uh, it triggers some people into a mode of pointing out everything that you're doing wrong or try.
And I think it comes from a place of helping, but what ends up happening is. You know, two out of five interactions become. Wanting to deconstruct your failure or whatever it is. And I think that there's, there's maybe a, um, I get around people failing. Yeah. But there's a turn. I think there's a tone around it, which is just like, ah, maybe this is our own insecurities coming up, but I think that some of it can come across as, Oh, why are you doing it this way or that way?
And the interesting part of it is when I get dark on it. And I think about it when I put it into perspective. Many of the people who are offering advice or, or seem a bit dark on what we've done, or why would you do that? You're onto a good thing. Or what's the, like, you went from seven to five, you know, why you like making all these changes?
It doesn't make sense. You can get dark on it and be like, Oh, you know what? Like, there's a bunch of people who were saying this, but then I look and I'm like, they haven't, they haven't done it. And that's not a negative Y that is in just. The reality of how can I expect them to empathize with where we are in this journey, if they haven't had to do these things where
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:05] you wouldn't comment about a marathon runners training yeah.
Or approach to a marathon, if you've never done one. Yeah. I couldn't, I don't know what that, like the pain sticking through the pain, like there is a version of any endeavor that. Um, you know, there's a lot of pain that raises its head as a result of effort. Um, physical exercise is just the clear one, because as soon as you start moving, you can start feeling niggles and pains, but, um, most things people are referencing aren't yeah.
Personal experience to, uh, to, to what someone else is doing. But even then what someone else is doing is so specific to them. And so like I saw, um, co and Ray, this motivational guy, or he's like, I think he's like a digital marketer sort of gone that Gary V approach literally copied Gary V's approach. It worked for him.
He's digital media strategy. He posted this money at wake up at four 30 it's life-changing or something like that. And I was like, I can inhale it. Is
Josh Janssen: [00:16:15] life changing or fuck it.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:17] Fuck it. I've woke up at four 30 for a job, dude. Didn't dope for me. Yeah. I felt horrible.
Josh Janssen: [00:16:23] And shouldn't is B billionaires based on all you have to do is get up at four 30 and you shouldn't everyone that works in breakfast radio, it'd be billionaire.
Yeah. So like
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:35] change your life. And I get what he's saying. I get that there's a, there's something in sticking to something or there's something having a rotate, like all of these things make sense. But there is, there is a plethora of simple, very easy to give advice on the internet. So even, um, the we've been talking like about, um, love the process you talked about the yesterday.
It's like, I reckon I've probably read that off. You've read that off, but then there is the version of people who are successful from an external perspective, looking at someone's numbers or worth or influence, whatever. And. They're not fucking happy at all. So they're hating the process. So where does it sit for you?
Where is, and what is the success metric? Because that's what all these things like that comment of four 30, what does that mean? We just outlined people doing things where it's not offering this world changing experience life-changing experience from them. It's um, yeah, I mean, where do you go with all this?
Josh Janssen: [00:17:48] Yeah. Yeah, I think that, I mean, and this is the, um, the feeling of huge amounts of change. Um, you know, everyone's sort of experiencing that. I think a lot of people would be experiencing, you know, changing jobs or trying to get work after, you know, losing their job with everything that's been happening.
But, um, yeah, like I think that the, the question around like, so doing something for 10 years, Like, I think that this, this process of doing the daily talk show is teaching us, um, like this is consistency. So the thing is that I look back and I look at consistency over the last, you know, 970 episodes. And for 99% of the time, it's easy.
But then. There's the 1% time where it seems like you would prefer to just not do it at all, or just give up and the weed, the weed part of it is, um, Like a brace at our, why do you still do the pole? Like, you know, you like it, do you want to still do the pod Carson? I had to give you that value
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:05] on the other hand, what we're hearing, we're hearing
Josh Janssen: [00:19:07] Bree's question.
Yeah. I think that that's like she sees the burnout. She sees the exhaustion and it's funny. It's not even, it's not over me being like a fucking height. Like I'm never saying I hate the fucking doing the podcast. I think it's, um, it's everything around it. It's the, um, It is actually the story around it. If we actually just brought it back, distilled it to you and I talking there's actually hardly any friction in that for us, the friction comes from perception and, you know, growth.
And what does this look like? You know, we know that, you know, if we get more guests. Uh, you know, you can get more people listening, um, all of these different things. And so, um, what I guess people are experiencing now, when you're listening is to people who are in a part of the process where it is really painful and we don't, um, It's hard because normally, like what we spoke with Pete shepherd, it's like you're professional enough in every other context to show up and you don't sort of complain about it or you don't talk about it, but with a show that has been created as an outlet, an outlet for us.
It seems disingenuous to turn on the mix and then try and have heaps of fun. Hmm, Hmm.
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:44] Yeah. I mean, the analogy of a, if we're taking it to boxing is the boxer in the, in the corner covering up, getting hit by their opponent. Just weathering the storm. We're pulling them a Muhammad Ali at this moment, just rumble in the jungle.
We're just getting, but getting hit son, we're taking it though, and we're riding it out and we get to come back and knock.
Josh Janssen: [00:21:09] It's weird. It's weird because, um, if we stopped doing the podcast now, It doesn't have any like pro like there's no problem. Like you don't like the way this is purely a decision that we're making to continue and the fruits of what we're doing. Isn't actually currently here. It's not like, so you imagined the cups you'll imagine like, um, you tubers that are making.
You know, tens of thousands of dollars a month through their YouTube channel. All of a sudden they're incentivized to, I have to keep on doing this. I have to keep feeding the beast. I have to keep doing all of this, whereas we don't have that. Um, so yeah, I think it's, um, it's a weird, I think that we thought that would be further along, uh, three years.
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:08] Um, do you think there's many people that do. Things and actually say, fuck, I'm further than I thought I would be. Like, that's probably not the common. I think
Josh Janssen: [00:22:20] that it, like you do hear the stories of art happened so quickly. Like it just felt. And so,
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:27] um, if majority businesses don't survive past three years, there's like a high statistic of businesses not surviving that let alone, you know, beyond that.
I think there's like a three, five it's like crazy. Yeah. W it's disappointing to, if you're about to start a business, if you read that. Yeah. It's like you actually going to be an outlier outlier in some respects, but then you look at the, the unicorn startups or, you know, the profit from day one businesses.
It's like, that's, that's out of control. That's a unicorn in itself. And so, yeah. Yeah, well, you get a right. You that's where it's, what's what advice is, is very worth. It, I think is like, be up for riding and riding the storm because there is going to be one in anything you do think about any great. Anyone doing something great that you love as if there's not dark days for them?
Josh Janssen: [00:23:26] Yeah. Yeah. I think like everyone experience experiences rots and sorry. Yeah, I think, um, just so everyone knows I'm struggling to swallow. I had a, a cold sore and, uh, you got me to do you.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:42] It's not it's the home brand one, but it's like fam via fam via. Okay.
Josh Janssen: [00:23:47] They just like quite a big glands.
Will you seek to, yes, I wasn't going to say, say that. I don't want to scare anyone into thinking. I've got COVID. Well, no one in Melbourne.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:59] Maybe that's how dark it gets unicorn. So yeah, that's a
Josh Janssen: [00:24:05] finally gone viral thought. Um, yeah, no, sorry. I think that it's, it's a weird, it's a weird scenario because I feel like previously.
When I've experienced what I'm feeling now, I go on annual leave. I go away and that's like, I do all of that where it's feels like, because we're just getting started. And when you have the responsibility with a team and all that sort of thing and having a business, it's not, it's not as easy. It's like, um, It's like, you know, the plane is just climbing.
It's not at altitude yet. I still need to be fought. Like he need it. We need to get it to altitude. So I can like take my seatbelt off and know that there's going to be no turbulence. Whereas if you sort of fucking halfway going up and then you take off, like it's not instilling any confidence in everyone and everyone.
I think the other thing too is it's like everyone has their own version of feeling a bit. Burnt out or, you know, it's, we're in March. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:12] That's, that's not a good last month effect
Josh Janssen: [00:25:16] very much where I was at a realization or, yeah, no, I was going to say, but, you know, I was gonna say we're at the start of fab.
We're in the start of March. Um, we, we did get some lovely, um, Um, emails.
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:29] I was, well, yes, in saying that in, in where people are dissecting your, uh, whatever your situation is in the file is if they may be there, like there was also people that came out and gave us beautifully mails. Well-written much better than I could
Josh Janssen: [00:25:48] respond.
Yeah. Lovely. Call from Trev. . Yeah. Yep. And so, yeah, I think that there is obviously a bunch of that. And the other thing too is, uh, the Skoda Derek said to me, he's like, I called him. He said, now I'm trying to work. I said, I'm driving in today. I'm just driving today. Uh, this was yesterday. I said, I'm driving in today.
And he's like, okay, good, good. He's like, I've been tracking. Um, whether you walk or drive and then what your mood is like on the show that guy's got a long time, but I respect that, but I think that's also, I think the thing is that like, there is, um, I definitely feel the ups and downs. I feel that like, I think about the weekend for me and like, you know, going to the 12 apostles and doing all that.
So I think it was like, uh, maybe this is part of what we're feeling. It's like, you get these crazy highs now because you haven't done something. And then. It's just, it's just this crazy sort of oscillation that I'm feeling between going super high and excited to not feeling very good.
Tommy Jackett: [00:26:56] I started the week saying, um, I'm we're on the Wednesday.
We're halfway through the week. You said, uh, it's going to be great. Wake like super positive off the back of a weekend. Steel, high flying high. Um, yeah, I mean, there's it, is it? Yeah, what's the. If, if there was some gratitude that needed to be thrown out there,
Josh Janssen: [00:27:21] I think like, um, we've, we've come a long way, but also I think like, um, yeah, the team, I think Jess, George, you like, I think we've got a great team.
We, um, are working on some great projects. We've got great clients. Like all of those things are really good, but I think there is, there's definitely. So think about the story over the last three years, uh, around, you know, what we're building. And I think that there's, there's definitely, there's definitely a version which is a reality check, you know, we're going for what sustainable, like I feel as like we got to the cliff.
Around like what we could do in, like, let's just see how far, you know, like, you know, follow your dreams, do all that sort of thing. And I still think we are, but I think it has the same feeling as someone who's like doing a startup and they realize they have to go and live with their parents to make it work, you know?
Like it's like, it feels like at the time. The biggest backstep you could be taking. And so there's no doubt that like the client stuff we love doing and we do it well, and it's like great hearing feedback around that, but there's definitely the parallel story that we've developed around the podcast. And even, I think when Dave Ella was asking us questions about the podcast, We it's almost this feeling of exhaustion where it's like, ah, like just calling ourselves out on our own bullshit is like, Oh, you know, show us this social, like show us the graph or whatever.
I was like, eh, yeah. Like what, like if we, if we hold ourselves to this as our metric where we like that's out of our control, but also the other thing too is I don't think that. Uh, all of these things are linear. Like that's what I was saying on our walk yesterday. It's like, okay, um, I'm 30, your 32. Mm it's.
Like if we have 10 years of the struggle to finally get through what seems like a tunnel, you know, at 40. To me, that's still a massive win. And so part of it is obviously, um, I think that quick success is celebrated and quick successes. Uh, like I think that the other thing too is the way the podcast is or the decisions we had to make.
They're not. It can feel like they've happened based on a lack of effort, if that makes sense. So it's like, when people say like, ah, are you doing this or that? It's not like the feeling I have is like, Uh, it feels like we gave everything and we have given everything. We continue to give everything, but it wasn't enough.
And there's something pretty depressing about
Tommy Jackett: [00:30:32] thinking it's an, it wasn't enough or, yeah, I think that's the trap of the feeling of. It's probably linked to the comparison thing, because if you look at someone else and think, fuck, I should be doing more, I should be getting in here at night and doing edits in.
Like, you can feel the F the, while it is a driving force. It's, it's probably, if you stop and think about it, like if you stop and think about what that feelings sort of pushing you towards. Um, maybe there is a time and place for using it as a bit of my motivation, but yeah. You're like, if you, yeah, we've put in so much fucking effort.
I don't know if it's what version. What is it good for? If you decide that we should have done more or we should
Josh Janssen: [00:31:23] have, well, it feels like extreme accountability in some regards. So it seems like the success, if, if there was success, the funny thing is I feel like if it was successful, it would feel less about our doing and more external forces aligned and all had all just sort of happened.
Whereas failure feels more personal. It feels like. All of these decisions that you made haven't necessarily worked, but this is the thing it's a 10 year journey. We, when you look at it that way, we still have so much time left around what we're doing and think about how quickly things changed in regards to.
You know, doing, you know, like I J I just think about those sort of like peaks that we experienced in regards to what we were doing. And I think that that will come, like, I think,
Tommy Jackett: [00:32:19] um, I think the trap is though, uh, that if, if it peaked at the wrong time, our relationship wouldn't have worked and then you find them, there's nothing, it's like a business partnership, this partnership it's like, If the partnership sucks and the business works, do you want to be in the partnership?
It's probably extremely painful.
Josh Janssen: [00:32:43] Yeah. And we are learning. I think that's the other thing too, is it's like if we had been quote unquote successful at the start. We wouldn't have done the amount of development work that we have around our skills. So if like, I think that we are better at business, better at all of these things, because.
It, it just didn't work. Like we, you know, we didn't sort of magically float some sort of alignment in regards to, you know, product market fit. And it's just sort of taken off like,
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:20] I mean, it was just from the outside, maybe just thinking about myself. I think it would sting hard if you had a crack, the first time made something work.
Finish that up started again. It just didn't like, you couldn't get the stick
Josh Janssen: [00:33:34] while I was watching, I guess it's like the second album thing. I was watching one of the guys from yes. Theory. Um, you know that that's leaving YouTube. Yeah. Yeah. Did you watch
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:43] that video? I do. I watch the video crying to the camera.
Yes. Theory. Cool. Dude, I don't even know how many are bloody in that team.
Josh Janssen: [00:33:50] So it there's like three main guys
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:52] saying test opportunities and
Josh Janssen: [00:33:54] blah, blah, blah. And so they're doing cool stuff at the moment where it's like, they went to Iraq and they went to Afghanistan last year, some really interesting stuff.
And it's. What I found, there's a lot of this at the moment. It's like video. Like, I feel like you're sending me a lot of them, which is like a depressing create as talking to them. Camera is probably come back guys. And, um, yeah, that's our niche hit that like button share with your depressed creative friends.
So, yeah, I think I'm consuming that here is someone who has built. A massive YouTube channel and was getting all these crazy opportunities, but still said, there's a voice inside me. That's saying, yeah. But there's more to it. And so for him, he's gone into writing their newsletter a couple of times a month and writing their first book.
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:56] Um, but yeah, I'd be in the video. No. Yeah, man. Interesting. And so
Josh Janssen: [00:35:02] that's the whole thing. It's like, um, the, the success doesn't necessarily mean that everything gets figured out. So the success doesn't mean that we're not going to get comments that trigger us. We'll get more of them. Well, but I guess small market is most dealers.
I think that what we, where we land though, is that, you know, if we can get a ride here, if we can get the formula right. When we're feeling like this, then when you know, it doesn't matter what situation we'll be in, we'll be able to get through it. Hmm Hmm. Height the daily tosha.com. His email address. If you do have an email, we got a great, um, we've, we've gotten some lovely, uh, uh, podcast reviews on it.
We're not pushing to that because I shouldn't, I shouldn't be, um, you know, going on. To the reviews, because I feel like it's your heart races, like, fuck. Yeah. What are, you know, what are people saying? Sometimes,
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:06] sometimes my mind does. Um, but you're in there. You're deep in
Josh Janssen: [00:36:10] there. Yeah. So yeah, a couple of that I liked, um, Uh, so KRC says long-time listener first-time reviewer.
Don't want to be a stellar. So here I am with a five star review have listened for ages, but never shown my appreciation, such an easy listen, thanks team, which was lovely actually said, okay, I'm finally leaving a review. Listening to you guys. Josh raging on Stella drove me to leave a positive review to counteract the negativity.
Love the podcast. Love for you guys, your honesty and your thought provoking chats. Lots of fun. Peppered with little nuggets of wisdom. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:49] And my favorite one is, um, from Charles loved the podcast. Good job, Joel and Tom can't miss a day.
Josh Janssen: [00:36:57] Charles mains, Josh. Uh, very good guys. Uh, but yeah, I think that the reason why we communicate this stuff is because.
Uh, I, I feel like I do it because, and I think that like, we both are doing it because we're like, this is how we're feeling down. It's not the, it's sort of like when someone says to you, no, you're at the petrol station and they say, how are you? You say, good, good, thanks. How are you for English? How are you?
Yeah, like, uh, I think because it, because we have a podcast and because of the thing we have sort of. Uh, uh, role to be able to be honest, maybe because I'd like us to be able to look back and say we had the light and shade and then, you know, hopefully it helps some people. Hmm.
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:52] Well, because I think, uh, everyone has a version of struggle for themselves internally, mentally.
And not everyone fucking communicates the dirt. Not everyone does not. Everyone has someone to talk about it to, I don't even necessarily, uh, go out of my way to talk about this shit. Like the. The PO like, cause so then in that is that I struggle doing that. I struggle going to somebody and just blurting what I'm thinking and feeling.
And so that is a lot of people as well. I don't know how to articulate. Not that they can't, not that they're not capable, but just that they don't, like I was saying about Amy, like I. I put little things out, like little bits of bait for her to try and prompt me because I want her to coach it out of me, which is not, is not kind or clear because then I don't, I don't blame her at all for not picking up on the scent, but she can sniff it.
Josh Janssen: [00:38:55] Yeah. And I think that the other thing too is if you're feeling this way, it can feel like you're just a burden as well, because it's not like. Uh, okay. Like, so if we, you know, one thing that we talk about is the stories thing. We have our stories, we have our struggles, other people have the same sort of thing.
So the idea that like, um, you know, uh, our, you were the only guys experiencing issues. Like I don't feel that at all. I know. And so that's where I F I don't necessarily, like, it's funny when I get home. I as even a guy who loves communicating, I'm like, I actually can't be bothered re reliving the negativity in my mind.
Does that make sense? It's like, Oh yeah. Talk at, let's talk about, has it's actually like painful for me to talk about it, which
Tommy Jackett: [00:39:52] there's two versions of this one is, uh, you want to kind of not escape it. You want to. Uh, so for me being with Amy and not thinking too much about the shit going on is, is, is cathartic.
Yeah. Like actually just being present. Yeah. Because I
Josh Janssen: [00:40:08] don't want you out of the moment. So like, cause yeah. I feel like it's safe. You would decide to, I mean, I'm feeling this, this, this natural response is like, okay, well, like let's talk it through, let's try and work it out. Like what can we? And it's like, it at least feels from my perspective, like we've done a lot of thinking around it and like, Sometimes, maybe the only thing you can do is just see him a little bit.
You know, you just, you know, this is, this is the reality for a bit,
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:35] especially when things aren't crazy wrong and you're just feeling necessarily he's feeling off. Yeah. And so it was a bit different if you, uh, needing to strategize your way out of shit. Yeah. But, um, in your own lots to be grateful for team
Josh Janssen: [00:40:49] name, one thing, um, I've got nothing.
Tommy Jackett: [00:40:52] No, uh, putting my head on Amy's tummy and being kicked in the head by our little baby girl. That's cute. That's beautiful.
Josh Janssen: [00:41:02] That was last week though. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:04] I mean, even just last year. Yes. Last night I felt like, I feel just feeling, just feeling the life and grateful for my wife who is growing a fucking human.
Josh Janssen: [00:41:17] Yeah. I mean, on my side, it's like just having someone to be able to go home to and to chill with is nice. Watch Billie Eilish, which we'll watch the rest of it tonight. Cute. Cute. All right. Enjoy the rest of your day, guys. We'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one.
Tommy Jackett: [00:41:32] Say guys.