Josh Janssen: [00:00:00] It's the daily talk show episode 926.
[00:00:07] Tommy Jackett: [00:00:07] Happy fat Friday. Groks what's happening? What is going on? You were
[00:00:11] Josh Janssen: [00:00:11] talking, uh, the, uh, earlier in the week about, uh, shaving your body feeling a bit, self-conscious wanting to dial it in. What are you having for fat Fridays today?
[00:00:22] Tommy Jackett: [00:00:22] Well, um, mate, I've been absolutely on fire with my diet, my exercise, right?
[00:00:29] You know,
[00:00:30] Josh Janssen: [00:00:30] doing,
[00:00:31] Tommy Jackett: [00:00:31] I've been training at the outdoor little other equipment. So just basic squats, chins presses, dips, chronic people call them stretching. Yeah, I call them chin chins. Uh, you want to do a set of chins man. Now you're set. You're set, bro. Um, so today, which the he's the by-product of me on fire is that I'm sniffing around health, food aisles in supermarkets and chemists these days.
[00:00:56] Cause I'm looking for something, a little sweet, but something that won't break, break the bank. If you know what I mean, the calorie bank I've got protein mousse.
[00:01:06] Josh Janssen: [00:01:06] Ooh,
[00:01:08] Tommy Jackett: [00:01:08] thing about it. Here's the thing, here's the thing. Um, you can convince yourself as much as we think you're smart. You can also convince yourself that healthy traits.
[00:01:20] That aren't packed full of crap, uh, full, really tasty.
[00:01:24] Josh Janssen: [00:01:24] So
[00:01:25] Tommy Jackett: [00:01:25] really tasting when you have
[00:01:26] Josh Janssen: [00:01:26] a few weeks of not eating real dessert. Oh my God. You've got it in a Pyrex
[00:01:31] Tommy Jackett: [00:01:31] that looks, I went all out.
[00:01:34] Josh Janssen: [00:01:34] Oh, can you just hold up? That's going to make me vomit dirty. Looks like the, um, the sick horse. It's not good. Uh, Hm.
[00:01:49] Tommy Jackett: [00:01:49] PVA glue
[00:01:51] Josh Janssen: [00:01:51] was it tastes like it's
[00:01:54] Tommy Jackett: [00:01:54] fluffy.
[00:01:55] Josh Janssen: [00:01:55] Oh no, that is, you
[00:01:58] Tommy Jackett: [00:01:58] know, it tastes like a health food store, but
[00:02:02] Josh Janssen: [00:02:02] like
[00:02:03] Tommy Jackett: [00:02:03] proteins store, not whole foods vibes.
[00:02:06] Josh Janssen: [00:02:06] I've got something way nicer, a bliss bowl. This is the chalk orange from, uh, is it keep it cleaner? Yeah. Okay.
[00:02:18] Tommy Jackett: [00:02:18] Is that from the COVID safe kit?
[00:02:22] Josh Janssen: [00:02:22] Absolutely. Um, I just panicked and said to Bray, what have you got?
[00:02:26] Um, I was hoping there was some, Hey tiger or something, but now I'm having a bliss bullets. Hmm. Orange.
[00:02:34] Tommy Jackett: [00:02:34] I tell you what, there's a lot of thought in life. Put into food, food, whether it's negative or positive. We don't need to make this episode about food likely we don't struggle to do a lot of times. One thing that people don't struggle to not think about is death.
[00:02:58] Does that make sense? We're
[00:03:00] Josh Janssen: [00:03:00] always thinking about death.
[00:03:02] Tommy Jackett: [00:03:02] No, we're not always not. So we don't struggle to not think about it because we convince ourselves whether it's an actual conscious thought of. Well, I'm not going to fucking die, but I think the undertone of living life, I mean, the thought is, I mean, it's not really present for a lot of people.
[00:03:22] If you're constantly thinking about death, it is confronting. So do you think it's good
[00:03:26] Josh Janssen: [00:03:26] to think about death?
[00:03:28] Tommy Jackett: [00:03:28] So I think it's negative. I think there's a negative in not thinking about it and avoiding. Thinking about it, which I think is completely fucking normal to avoid it. Like the plague. I can't know if you can say that these days, but like the coronavirus where all the fucking avoiding it, putting our masks on.
[00:03:50] Um, so you've got, uh, so last night listening to a podcast, um, there's a guy who his name is Jason Rosenthal. And he it's it's I mean, pretty crazy. He became famous after his wife got diagnosed with terminal cancer. She wrote an article in the New York times. Do you have that subscription still?
[00:04:19] Josh Janssen: [00:04:19] Yep. Oh,
[00:04:20] Tommy Jackett: [00:04:20] great.
[00:04:21] Can you actually flick me the login details? Uh, at some point after
[00:04:24] Josh Janssen: [00:04:24] this discussion? Yeah.
[00:04:26] Tommy Jackett: [00:04:26] Yeah. Great. Because there's, there's an, there's an article that his wife wrote before she passed away and it was called, you may want to marry my husband. And it it's very famous. It got a lot of attention. I haven't haven't read the article.
[00:04:42] I'm sure I'll fucking be crying when I read it, but you can only imagine she wrote it. She was a writer, this was her vibe. And so she put this kind of like an essay out in the New York times. Um, and you can only take from, you know, the title of it because I haven't read it. I can't tell you what's in it, but from what he says in this interview, You may want to marry my husband.
[00:05:06] So that's talking about her and about the leave and, you know, she, she passed away because it was terminal cancer, but them talk him just talking about how we live in a society where everyone's convinced they're not going to die to some degree, you'd leave your life. Like you're not going to. And so I started listening to this podcast last night and you know, when you're in a mode where you're like, it's, it's like food almost.
[00:05:30] I just want to it's the consumption. I want to listen to something. That it makes me feel good, you know? Yeah. Wasn't mood to hear about death and that in its essence is the avoidance of thinking or being in a scenario where you're thinking about death. I've had lots of friends die. I've thought about death a bunch of times.
[00:05:51] I still don't fucking like the thought of it.
[00:05:53] Josh Janssen: [00:05:53] But also you spoke the other day about problem solving.
[00:05:57] Tommy Jackett: [00:05:57] Yeah.
[00:05:58] Josh Janssen: [00:05:58] The biggest problem potentially a person has is that they're going to die. Well,
[00:06:04] Tommy Jackett: [00:06:04] I mean, it's the consistent problem. I mean, the problem is the point here. If you're looking at it as a problem.
[00:06:13] Josh Janssen: [00:06:13] Well, this is why, I mean, so it's like, why are you thinking about death to try and solve?
[00:06:20] Tommy Jackett: [00:06:20] Well, I think you need to, so what you can't do. Ease prevent it's inevitable for everybody at some point. So there's no solving of that problem, unless you may be Elon Musk who somehow works out how to change his body over to another one, but that's not everybody. So I don't think that we're thinking about how it's not problem solving to that degree.
[00:06:42] It's, it's our ability to understand and find out where it fits. Within what, what we've got going on. And so just, if you listen to some teachings around, you know, there's Ram Dass, Micah, what am I gurus? He, um, that's the book I bought, but he now he, um, has spent a lot of time with people who are dying and, um, and crazy, like he's experienced being with some people who, uh, You know, days away from passing, passing away, the euphoria, some of these people have been in a state of euphoria at the last moment and just him talking through it.
[00:07:29] It's
[00:07:29] Josh Janssen: [00:07:29] just having to deal with any admin. Imagine it, like, imagine not having to what, like yeah. What would you do if you thought, if you found out, uh, Tommy you're going to die in six months? Uh, I
[00:07:42] Tommy Jackett: [00:07:42] would, I would, I would go so deep into the meditation space. Really? Yeah. I feel like, I feel like from the teachings and listening to this stuff, there is less of a concern about it.
[00:07:57] Not to
[00:07:59] Josh Janssen: [00:07:59] like that sort of thing sort of the bucket list
[00:08:04] Tommy Jackett: [00:08:04] would be that I don't know. Yeah. I think that is the immediate response. It's like, how do I get my fucking. Because what then you're doing is the bucket list. Item thing is a version of, if I do this, I will then feel this. Whereas the, you know, the, the teachings of mindfulness and meditation, you can find these resources in any moment.
[00:08:32] Versus needing the thing to happen. So it's like it's in our head that I need to fucking travel to see the pyramids,
[00:08:42] Josh Janssen: [00:08:42] like a legacy for your family. He might've left it a bit tired if
[00:08:46] Tommy Jackett: [00:08:46] I have to try and build my legacy in six months,
[00:08:49] Josh Janssen: [00:08:49] imagine that wouldn't you want to? It's like, okay, well, what, what does Bodie want to know?
[00:08:54] What do I need?
[00:08:55] Tommy Jackett: [00:08:55] Definitely. Definitely. That's the kind of stuff. That's the kind of stuff. Not that. Leaving behind a, you know, a wealth of, uh, leaving behind any money.
[00:09:05] Josh Janssen: [00:09:05] No, but there was a thing I could just imagine I'm going okay. Story time, two hours a day. Just going to just teach us stuff.
[00:09:14] Tommy Jackett: [00:09:14] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:09:15] Which the problem is JJ, you fucking would be annoyed if you left it for the last six months to have had that approach. So it is like, what's the. The yellow whole thing is like, you only live once, do everything that you can, and while you're in good health, while you at least can. So there is a version of that.
[00:09:35] So you all we've just talked about is being more present and telling and directing the attention. Like there's something powerful in leaving like that is the case and communicating and being present with the people, um, that matter. To give them everything. And cause then that is looking back, you would, would be like, fuck, if you'd worked your ass off and weren't home at all.
[00:10:03] I mean, it's all willing to decide this right now when there's nothing going on. Um, but it is, I mean, I was just looking at some, I was just looking up like quite, uh, there seems to be just in what, when I'm listening to people talking about death, they're referencing. People from, you know, Socrates up until people these days are quoting that have a very similar thing.
[00:10:25] So it's,
[00:10:26] Josh Janssen: [00:10:26] well, give us a few names again, is
[00:10:27] Tommy Jackett: [00:10:27] this the tidy, so you going to call Socrates and Plato, um, if they, if they've fallen into main culture.
[00:10:36] Josh Janssen: [00:10:36] Well, I think that, yeah, I'm definitely, I'm sure that there's some stoic memes or some philosophy. Absolutely, absolutely.
[00:10:45] Tommy Jackett: [00:10:45] Socrates. He says. To fear death.
[00:10:48] Gentlemen is no other than to think oneself wise when one is not to think one knows what one does not know. No one knows whether death may be the greatest of all blessings for a man. Yet men fear it as if they knew that it is the greatest of evil. I mean, it took me a few times to read that and process it just with how it's written.
[00:11:14] But it is like, we you're scared about something. We don't actually know about it. Look at the people who end up
[00:11:21] Josh Janssen: [00:11:21] death could be great.
[00:11:22] Tommy Jackett: [00:11:22] Well, I mean, look at, uh, I think it's martyrdom. It's like, you know, the, once you die, you, you have, um, you know, 30 walls, 30 virgins or something waiting for you or something crazy like that.
[00:11:35] The reality is that if that is your belief system, that it is something on the other side that is.
[00:11:42] Josh Janssen: [00:11:42] Peaceful or whatever it's uh, it's uh,
[00:11:45] Tommy Jackett: [00:11:45] that's it excessive, excessive,
[00:11:48] Josh Janssen: [00:11:48] um, tick is on the other side of death. So
[00:11:54] Tommy Jackett: [00:11:54] Mark, I just want to it's like paradise awaits, you know, it's like it's, it's gets into the dark territory of weight.
[00:12:03] Um, Uh, terrorists, uh, thinking that their actions are going to take them to paradise, which is, you know, whatever. But my point being is that, uh, there's there's options, there's options for how we view it. And it's interesting cause I'm in the cab. If you are where I probably avoid thinking about it and talking about it, talking about this shit.
[00:12:27] And so because of that thing, that's just more normal. It actually, but I don't know if it gives the reward, um, pace. Are you
[00:12:36] Josh Janssen: [00:12:36] feeling actively avoiding it or are you just not thinking about it?
[00:12:41] Tommy Jackett: [00:12:41] Well, I think an active, so me actively avoiding it would have been, which I have in the past. And I probably will in the future turn off a podcast that is going to talk about something.
[00:12:52] PR pretty day and I didn't want to feel it. I didn't want to feel that. And so that's a conscious choice on my end, whereas I did, I pushed her. I'm like, okay. And I fucking enjoyed it. It was dry. It was really insightful. And just, I mean, I felt like I felt peaceful in that time, listening to this person reflect on their partner and their wife.
[00:13:15] And, um, and then the discussion about. What it all means and what we don't know and how, how we can live through th th this the, you know, it's, it was just interesting that I yeah, caught myself really not wanting to it's like, dude, I don't sometimes don't want to watch a sad movie because I don't want to get sad.
[00:13:34] Josh Janssen: [00:13:34] Okay. Yeah. The negativity for me, I just can't do the. And I think like human trafficking, sex trafficking, pedophilia, like all of those things. I'm
[00:13:46] Tommy Jackett: [00:13:46] glad really
[00:13:49] Josh Janssen: [00:13:49] they're just too dark. I just feel like it is. And it's a privileged position to be in where it's like, Oh, I don't want to enter into that. I don't want to even sort of crime stuff.
[00:13:58] Like when I was a kid, I used to be integral. I used to watch the crime channel on Foxtel
[00:14:03] Tommy Jackett: [00:14:03] all the time. Good dude.
[00:14:04] Josh Janssen: [00:14:04] That was a route
[00:14:05] Tommy Jackett: [00:14:05] that was a quality channel for quite some time.
[00:14:06] Josh Janssen: [00:14:06] Yeah. But I feel that this sort of, um, crime podcast stuff, just it's all a bit, uh, it's pretty negative, pretty
[00:14:15] Tommy Jackett: [00:14:15] dark. I mean, it puts you into a space.
[00:14:19] So what about this? The death penalty. Which is, uh, I mean, we're kind of going off that imagine being on the death penalty. So you're not sick, but you just have a, uh, an impending death, which is sooner, then most likely whatever high power is going to put down on you. So there's a woman, um, in the States at the moment on death row.
[00:14:45] And I think she's, it is it's sort of been pushed out. And I was, I was like, Oh, they were talking about just like it not being humane, it being sort of the laws changing. So then she will be one of the first people in this state to be execute initially. You're like, fuck, I don't know who deserves to be killed.
[00:15:08] Who deserves that? No matter what you've done, like. Put away for a long time or whatever seem. I mean, we don't have it here. It's never going to be in Australia. I couldn't imagine ever if anything, it's going the other way, where they just keep people in prison. I looked up what this woman had done.
[00:15:26] Do you want to know?
[00:15:27] Josh Janssen: [00:15:27] No, no, no. It's it's I can't tell what it's going to be. It's going to be bad.
[00:15:32] Tommy Jackett: [00:15:32] The pregnant woman killed her and remove the baby from inside of the stomach. That's
[00:15:37] Josh Janssen: [00:15:37] pretty fucked up.
[00:15:38] Tommy Jackett: [00:15:38] And so at that point you're like, Holy shit, fuck. I really understand probably why they handed down that death sentence.
[00:15:43] That's fucked. But then at the same time, it's like the discussion of is the death penalty. Should that even be a thing? I don't have the answer. I don't have the answer. I don't it's it seems weed that, you know, like it's,
[00:16:01] Josh Janssen: [00:16:01] it seems weird that like, uh, We are playing God in that regard, it feels there's a difference between locking someone up and removing them from society and then saying, okay, we're going to take their life even like the most fucked up stuff.
[00:16:20] Yeah. It just feels very odd, especially like when you talk about not knowing what death actually is, where you go, what happens or that's the thing it's sort of a bit weird. To think you just sort of like ending it. Yeah. But then if you go really dark, you stop thinking about like animals and, and, um, putting down your pet or overlying eating meat.
[00:16:44] It's all very weird.
[00:16:46] Tommy Jackett: [00:16:46] I mean, think about the famous executions in our time. It's like, um, Saddam Hussein, he was the president and then he gets executed. You know, it's old school, we got hung and
[00:17:04] Josh Janssen: [00:17:04] then, well, yeah, I find it interesting. All the, um, went down a rabbit hole. What about like, um, North Korean, the, uh, uh, Kim Jong-un's brother, whatever, using tie out, just chilling at the airport.
[00:17:18] Has someone put some sort of chemical. On his mouth on his nose or whatever kills him. Like that's full-on have you seen that? Um, the, the son of the guy, so Kim Jong-un's nephew, uh, is apparently in hiding and he's being hidden by the CIA,
[00:17:41] Tommy Jackett: [00:17:41] is this, is this confirmed.
[00:17:43] Josh Janssen: [00:17:43] That's amazing. It was on a bunch of news news sites, but so apparently after it all happened, After his dad was killed.
[00:17:54] He was in, um, Macau. Maybe there's a Macau where's Macau
[00:18:01] Tommy Jackett: [00:18:01] near Singapore, um, Taiwan, China it's own little Island. And so I think
[00:18:07] Josh Janssen: [00:18:07] he was there or whatever. And, um, uh, basically was, uh, going to hide. On his way to, I think Taiwan, when he got there to sort of hide away the CIA intercepted him and was like, Hey, um, come with us type of thing.
[00:18:26] But I do want us like who the fuck, like you think about death and all that. So I think then you think about all the shit we don't know about just a weird shit. Hmm. Think about, have you seen, Skirmos doing all these, um, he's loving Instagram and stuff at the moment. Just him on his exercise, bike shorts and thongs.
[00:18:49] And then there was a piece around. Uh, it's sort of, it's silly. So there's this there's photos of him making a chicken house thing, chicken coop or whatever. It's
[00:19:04] Tommy Jackett: [00:19:04] Oh yeah, that was the one I wanted to get. I want to get that one. Yeah. And so Morrison is our prime is the prime minister of this country.
[00:19:10] Josh Janssen: [00:19:10] And so the question is, has Gomo, has he actually made the chicken, chicken coop or is he just.
[00:19:20] Tommy Jackett: [00:19:20] Got
[00:19:21] Josh Janssen: [00:19:21] the photo of him doing it with the hammer and then just goes back to no,
[00:19:25] Tommy Jackett: [00:19:25] nah, I reckon he's doing it. I reckon he's, he's got a thing,
[00:19:29] Josh Janssen: [00:19:29] but then you also see you see him. Um,
[00:19:33] Tommy Jackett: [00:19:33] you wouldn't find calm doing it.
[00:19:36] Josh Janssen: [00:19:36] I don't know. I wonder like maybe it's just, it's very low level propaganda.
[00:19:41] Tommy Jackett: [00:19:41] It's old for shower.
[00:19:43] Josh Janssen: [00:19:43] It's all fish. It's it's just a photo up like him, him doing exercise on the exercise bike. How long was he on the exercise bike for you? Has he really done a full workout or is he done 30 seconds? Gotten the photo on, jumped off.
[00:19:58] Tommy Jackett: [00:19:58] I mean, , I saw him doing a saw MIS he's struggling in the follow department. I mean, I can't talk, but he's got 229,000.
[00:20:08] Well, he's
[00:20:08] Josh Janssen: [00:20:08] got like the photo of him. It almost looks like he's doing bar or whatever, but the thing is he's wearing a suit. Yeah. He's wearing a suit. He's definitely like, that's a great example. He's definitely just done two or three photo ops and then left. I mean,
[00:20:23] Tommy Jackett: [00:20:23] who is it? Do you think Gomo. He's on in Insta.
[00:20:28] Do you think he needs to know? Absolutely not. Like, I mean, who's he follow? It could get a bit,
[00:20:35] Josh Janssen: [00:20:35] let's just say the, the Pope got in, uh, the Pope's Twitter account liked a Brazilian Balkany model.
[00:20:45] Oh destination.
[00:20:48] Tommy Jackett: [00:20:48] There is a full investigation. Is there
[00:20:50] Josh Janssen: [00:20:50] a Pope bikini
[00:20:51] Tommy Jackett: [00:20:51] follows, like, listen to this. He follows, this is the, the Australian prime minister. No, over 91.99 over one Oh six, nine. Like he follows all the radio stations, the radio hosts.
[00:21:04] Josh Janssen: [00:21:04] Really Pope?
[00:21:06] Tommy Jackett: [00:21:06] No, no, no. Sorry. This is Scott Morrison. He follows homeless
[00:21:10] Josh Janssen: [00:21:10] following Nova.
[00:21:12] Tommy Jackett: [00:21:12] He follows 10 Downing street, Boris Johnson. Like he's you see where he's, if he's not following Trump. Yeah. I wonder if he's, um, you know, that's a signal.
[00:21:21] Josh Janssen: [00:21:21] So NBC news, they say this was on November 21. The Vatican is investigating how the official Instagram account of Pope Francis liked a photo of a model.
[00:21:33] In a schoolgirl outfit, a spokesperson for the Vatican told NBC news on Friday, that was seeking answers from the popular social media app. I love that they're seeking answers from Instagram, like rather than just Frances, what the fuck are you liking? It's like, nah, it's going to be Instagram with studying what we're studying.
[00:21:54] What happened? With the help of the competent office at Instagram, I think it's just an accidental double-tap, uh,
[00:22:01] Tommy Jackett: [00:22:01] a they tell, could they tell what device it was coming from? Like, so he could dial it down to an IP address.
[00:22:08] Josh Janssen: [00:22:08] Instagram would be able to account ID, sorry, a device ID that would be able to work it out.
[00:22:13] Yeah, no problem. Um, Yeah, I think that, uh, at least I'm going to heaven the model joked on Twitter. That's funny.
[00:22:23] Tommy Jackett: [00:22:23] Yeah. I mean, what's her name? Let's give her a shout out.
[00:22:25] Josh Janssen: [00:22:25] Yeah.
[00:22:26] Tommy Jackett: [00:22:26] The pipe made her famous for the right reasons.
[00:22:29] Josh Janssen: [00:22:29] Follow anyone on his widely popular Instagram account, which has more than 7.4 million followers.
[00:22:36] Garrett Boto Kara Bodo, who is it has 2.4 million Instagram followers took the endorsement with pride. I mean
[00:22:45] Tommy Jackett: [00:22:45] for the people that follow zero people. And if you're getting a, like, from them, it's clear that they're stalking you. You know what I mean? All they're in the discovery. I mean, I didn't even know what would happen if you delayed everyone, it just pushes random shit to you.
[00:22:59] What about fresh account? Not attached to any phone number or email address that has ever had an account? What do you, what are you given? Is it Australian content if you're in Oz
[00:23:11] Josh Janssen: [00:23:11] or so they used to be back in the day, there was a, um, like when you signed up, I guess it still does this, but when you signed up for Twitter, they would have a recommendation list and so recommended follow up.
[00:23:22] So there was people who had, you know, uh, millions of followers based on being put in the recommendation list, by the way, what is that? How's the Chucky moose going or whatever, what is it?
[00:23:33] Tommy Jackett: [00:23:33] Vanilla,
[00:23:34] Josh Janssen: [00:23:34] vanilla.
[00:23:35] Tommy Jackett: [00:23:35] It's thick. It's creamy. It's musi. I like it. I mean, this is the thing. If I was, if I had been eating the diet that I had been three weeks ago, I would have been like your face,
[00:23:47] Josh Janssen: [00:23:47] but I just think they can say, I just feel like the alternative things where it's like trying to be something that's not.
[00:23:56] Tommy Jackett: [00:23:56] Yeah, I guess.
[00:23:57] Josh Janssen: [00:23:57] Cause it's, you can hear it in your mouth. It's a bit,
[00:24:03] Tommy Jackett: [00:24:03] if I had, if I had chocolate mousse B the same vibe. Same vibe, unless it was the fluffy moose from pizza harder. We can eat that shit's to die for.
[00:24:14] Josh Janssen: [00:24:14] It's quite good. Um,
[00:24:16] Tommy Jackett: [00:24:16] yeah, I mean it's, uh, yeah, some big things that we don't have answers to, but no one does, Socrates was talking about this, you know, thousand years ago, however old he was very long time ago.
[00:24:28] Yeah.
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