#589 – Naysan Naraqi On Religion, Culture & The News/
- January 26, 2020
We chat about living around the world, cravings for instant news and feedback, positive and negative news cycles, and sex and religion.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Calamansi Sparkling drinks
– Where Naysan has lived
– The Gold Coast Commonwealth Games
– Travel and having different perspectives
– News and instant culture
– Positive and negative news cycles
– Sex and religion
Naysan’s website: https://bahaiblog.net
Beasts Of No Nations: https://www.netflix.com/title/80044545
Cry Freetown CNN documentary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cry_Freetown
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 599 back on the show, but now you know, Rocky
you know my mom loved the episode that you were online. Oh, really? Oh, she's like that man was the accent. He's lovely.
So welcome back.
And my mom Joanne. Hi.
Hi, Joanne. Thank you.
And true to your nickname, Dr. Sugar. You have brought a
new okay with that nickname?
Yeah, it's funny because I got diagnosed with diabetes.
Well, that's that's, that's a coincidence. That's why we call it because before we get to this, so you brought a drink. But last night, we went to a pub. And you actually returned your lemon lemon bitters, because you were saying it wasn't sweet enough?
Yeah, because they use like soda water instead of lemonade. That's spray sure that's what happened positive because you were blaming the gun you were saying are you guys often what happens in bars and stuff the gun that has Coke and Pepsi and sprite and stuff runs out of the syrup, the syrup and then it basically becomes very watery so I was like basically lemons and soda water
is it Yeah. Without the
vodka but then they said there's we're not using the guns.
Yeah, and but I'm sure either this when they scoop the ice, there's so much water in it. That that's what happened because it was it was water.
And I and it was better. It's better.
How much did you drink before you took it back? You finished it. Yeah, I just
finished it. It was it. Was it?
You had finished nearly finished? No, no. Before I gave it back. It was bad. Anyway, so you brought a drink.
Drink Yep. So bright are like yellowy orange man of colour. Yeah, these are from Korea actually, but this is on the colour Mansi. You can see the calamansi this is for you and it says calamansi sparklin, too, so calamansi
given to save, so you're not going to have one you can be positive yoga,
please. There's only three left in the grocery store. You can usually find these in some of the Asian grocery stores. Not all of them. Yeah, so calamansi is this little hybrid citrus fruit. It's like a cross between a lime and an orange is smaller than a line. Have you seen them?
No, but what's the ones here? Um, are they small into non entrees? Little kumquats? Is it salary
that's not the same. These are quite sweet small. They're orange on the inside. Creative Greenie orange on the outside depending okay and the delicious into Malaysia you said they have a colour Monte drink with salty plums. You know the Asian salty. Something else I really love. You grew up in pinja with that we didn't really have a lot of sweets and stuff we had the few little grocery stores were owned by Chinese. Yeah. Or Malaysian Chinese and so there's the thing the snacks we had were things like dry ginger, salty plums stuff like that. So I grew up with a lot of that my mouth is watering right thinking about salty puns this you can have a salty bomb.
Yeah, actual salt.
Yeah, the salt sweet. Yeah, I'll bring some next time. On the show. You get them from Asian grocery store. I mean, I
get them from Asian grocery stores. So the one across the road that's a Thai supermarket probably wouldn't have this.
Possibly because a lot of the Asian grocery stores carry stuff from different countries not just like if it's a tie.
So what was the first time you had this drink?
The actual while this can specifically like when I got here yesterday, but the drink itself? I don't know.
Nice. I mean, the first kind of smells a bit like solo but then has a different sort of difference. It
smells more like lemonade. Yeah.
I came back again it's a different different hit though.
It's a different hit cuts very sweet. super sweet
but good isn't a real swagger that you needed
it needed a pick me up it tasted like that. And this is 32 grammes of a pick me up really
good reminds me of a drink that you'd have like a glucose test.
Wait, do you like citrus tree? I love this.
Yeah, I like it because it's slightly sour as well. You know, so it really gets the taste buds going. They kind of just double clench up.
Yeah, it's got the sweet and sour.
Funny about beverages. When we go to like Mexican restaurants. You always want to see if they've got the certain drinks or chatter I love
rice milk rice milk that they make with sugar and cinnamon. It's the rush milk,
sugar and cinnamon and Mexican drink.
Yeah, it's it's in Spain as well. It's slightly different but like in the States because a lot of the Mexican restaurants have it. Yeah, if there are real Mexican restaurants that have it and it's like, it's delicious Mexican Cantina that's like, rice milk, like milkshake, but not thick.
Yeah, I mean this is like a what's the Indian the
Yeah, last is a lot thicker.
latsis thicker yoghurt base sour.
Yeah, I felt so sick once after having Indian trying to work out what was this because I had like having a Lassie and having like a full meal meal. It's so heavy. It's actually
I didn't bring a drink the whole thing and then the dinner came she's like, I'm not hungry. Yeah,
why am I hungry? It's because really would would had like basically a thick shake. Yeah.
And when when did you move from PNG.
To When did I leave? uni I was 18. I moved to Papua New Guinea when I was a child from the US. And then I was there. I moved there when I was two till I was five. My parents moved back to the States when I was five to nine. And then from nine to 18 We're back. I can pop in again.
What's your oldest memory because I think I mean that's such a young yees it's a total five five. And so because I look at my family photo album, and now I'm not sure what is memory what is your photo? So what do you think for you? Because they're more substantial I just grew up in the same house until I was it 1718 when I left for you
When was your earliest childhood memory anywhere? Yeah, yeah, I think like the contrast between being in the US and Papa New Guinea definitely kind of made me remember things because there's like there's a lot of culture shock like especially from when I was nine and we went back to papa New Guinea from that time I was this suburban kid in the suburbs of Chicago playing baseball with my friends and you know, we played with Lego and stuff and then we go to papa New Guinea and it was completely the opposite. There was, you know, none of that and no Lego. No Lego and is quite dangerous and I started
your makeup. Get it. mean later on, you could get Lego and stuff but you know the good thing is like you're sharpening sticks and making bows and arrows and slingshot. Yeah, no other types of games like you'd get these wires from spokes, or just any kind of metal wire, you could find you turn it into a wheel. And then you get another wire and turn it into a hook and then you try and push this wire along the ground and you could do with a garden hose as well or any type of hoses you'd find its I would see it when I learned what
does it do it like what like
nothing you just try and push this wheel along with this wire. It's really hard and and Africa and
Lego sounds bad.
But I saw this game and like, you know, Zambia, Uganda as well as like, Oh my God, we used to do that as kids.
Yeah. What's the game in America the horse? No, you throw the sort of bean bag
onto a square onto the
onto this thing or ramp? Yeah,
there's the ramp code, even though
like it's like a national sport like really like a key? You say that phase I didn't come from horseshoes or I did it on I did a video about let's look it up game with game with beanbags. It's kind of funny and I and that's why I made the videos.
There's a restaurant in Phoenix, Arizona that or I go to a lot called culinary dropout and I really love it and they have like all these games and stuff and one of them is that beanbag game Yeah, it's great every time I take my niece and nephews we play somewhere know what it's called it living in the Gold Coast. Living in the Gold Coast right now move there two years ago. loving it. Absolutely love it. And being in Melbourne right now. Seeing the weather depends like Melbourne. I don't want to deceive because it's an amazing city, the food, the culture, everything. And lots of good people here to thank you. My back
house nice and mine.
But the thing is that I know if you're if you're a weather person weather really affects me I lived in the UK for a year I wanted to I couldn't if I could only pry the window of the apartment I lived in was painted shot but if I could only pry it open I would have thrown myself out the window. so depressing.
Like the weather
is gonna sound like stuffy in there
got to be dramatic but no I don't. The Gold Coast weather is phenomenal and the beach really take effect on me. It's when when you hear the sound of the ocean and you hear the like the wind coming through the apart. My apartment is on the 35th floor across the street from the beach right now. I live in Surfers Paradise, which is like the most touristy cheesy part of the Gold Coast
again, would you describe it as bargain?
Now because there's a lot of probably a lot of Ozzy's would say that, but there's a lot of tourists there and stuff. And I like the fact I love being around tourists because they're so excited. So you know what, I'm walking down the street, you see people and you're always like, hey, yeah, I'll take your picture if you need me to and you know, they're like, Oh my god, where where are you visiting from? I'm like, I live here in the like you live here. It's always a holiday for you. But it's just, it's nice. It's beautiful. It's easy to get around 15 minutes to get anywhere when friends are like, hey, let's catch up for coffee right now. What are you doing? Doesn't matter where you are. It's about 15 minutes.
So yeah, I mean he's an appealing life spiked to a someone who owns a coffee shop yesterday they said they're selling the coffee shop, because they going up to the sunny coast, which is the Sunshine Coast further. The Goldie and it's just another life. It's just a different life. You tell you what I mean, if you're someone who's lived, how many places like I home
some of them a few times there
is something for me. I watch. I watch scheme skimboarding you know, like, yeah, the water on the water. I watched skimboarding videos of people in Laguna Beach, California and I've just I don't know there's something in me. That's just like That's a calling I need like the
life that we will get bored across the street from the beach. We should have done go
we did that we went we did a show from the
kid love to spend a month there or something. Like it's just enough. I mean,
we'll have to go to the Gold Coast.
Gold Coast that I mean it's close by lot cheaper.
Yeah, but 15 minutes everywhere.
They don't let you have eyes on the parking.
I don't let you have files on the beach. In the States, it's more loose. Yeah.
Honestly, it's so beautiful. Like the sand is unbelievable. Yeah. And I've been to a lot of beautiful beaches around the world. I mean, do you swimming
at all? Yes, every every morning.
I used to go every morning like I was just like instead of taking
the photos for the
ladies, now I honestly my life you guys was I would wake up. I wake up about six every morning before taking a shower. You know my hair is still press. Press the dribble on the side and grab my towel go down the elevator Go to the beach. Even just swim for like 510 minutes and just fight the waves dry off a little bit. It was usually so early that the sun wasn't out that much. Yeah, yeah, but the wind would dry me and then go back and then shower, get ready and work. And because I work from my laptop at home, I decided like, Where do I want to be? I want to be in Australia. I want to get citizenship here. I have two more years. So I needed to be in Australia. And I was like, if I can work anywhere, why not the Gold Coast. It's so beautiful. And it makes you slow down. It makes you you know, like nobody has issues there. People are not like oh my god, you know, people more attractive than 100%. Well,
I tend to agree. like living in Bondi Yeah, the food culture.
get hotter when you're nice. And do you think you are a hotter version of yourself than you were like two years ago based on being and not me, unfortunately. I'm like, obviously, like everybody thinks I'm a tourist I'm still pasty, overweight.
Everybody there is like look so you know, like, it's like when you're around like healthy environments you feel I feel you feel Hata know. everybody around me is so good looking and they're not pretentious either like there's a couple of people that walk around so everybody's super nice and stuff but I'm just like, man I really need to save as
you look out on our site when we did an episode and Josh was on the Gold Coast staying with nice oh, yeah, that would actually come down. But I remember you talking about just like you I remember you talking about like fruit salad like you. You start thinking I want to sell it because I'm looking around you like, I don't know there's something about it.
Yeah, you don't want to thought Asian soup on the beach. You wanna eat like a nice aside about a stable, there's a lot of us.
Yeah, they did a big franchising thing. Didn't know or whatever
size just the fruit is one of those and then there's have the berry
in Brazil. It's from Brazil. It's really doesn't taste like
well, they were it's like there's some Amazonian fruits and shit. They're just useless. It's like there's fish in the ocean that are so ugly they can't sell them. And so yeah,
but these fruits are not useless lately.
Well, this nor is the fish that we could eat the wind is on bananas that the wrong shape show and I'd sell them by those. Yeah, just
Yeah, well, there's a movement, isn't it? Like ugly fruit or something?
Yeah, I've seen it's, it's imperfect. And
depending on the
depending on the way you look at it,
if I'm perfect or imperfect or ugly fruit. Yeah.
Yeah, episode for
Episode 63 Joshua's upon the
guy to go into my room and keep quiet. Can we find me to do for that show? I was can
you do that? I wasn't included in that show. So go to your room and
buy the early stack because remember, we had technical issues. And so it went from I'm decent audio to not great audio because I'm By the way, we're using Zen caster this service and everywhere would record on both in. But then at the 30 minute mark, it would always change audio devices from my microphone to the internal microphone
wasn't me in my room with a transistor.
Jana was able to play a bit sense.
Yeah, gentlemen, you just played it.
Yeah. Just play it.
Yeah. Here we go.
63 What date is it gonna died on
April 12. Okay. 20 2018 2010 Yeah, God, this is early day. Yeah. It's gonna be embarrassing.
It's a daily talk show everyone.
What's up everybody. You might you might hear a bit of difference in Joshua's audio because he's coming to you live from the com games.
Yeah, live from the sunny sunshine waves at the sunset and the Gold Coast. Gold Coast. What's the difference between the Sunshine Coast and the Gold Coast?
Well, I think there is Sunshine Coast is like down past the Gold Coast. I actually like the sunny coast. Now more so than the Gold Coast. So like, New South, I think I'm trying coast up that way.
Because I am at the moment let me just look on a map where I actually am so I'm staying Yes, I've just decided to come up and they there was saying there weren't many people to come game so you know, I hate crowds. I'm like, it was quiet.
That that was a shame because I just moved there. And I was so excited about the calm and
he paid my rent because of the come
Yeah, yeah, because I couldn't find anything. Everything was so expensive. new apartments at different but yeah, I was in a different apartment and it was so quite there these every night on the beach and sir world music is our amazing world. Music every night like different acts and there's like 10 people there
yes so we set on the sand just said
I saw relax I still stand by the sunny coast better
yeah sunny coast is beautiful
here like barely heads which he
barely had this cool it's a lot like bond I barely had this yeah so when I tell the locals like my friends that I live in Surfers Paradise they all give me like a shocked look and all Yeah, but I just because I work a lot of crazy hours. It's the only suburb that has stuff open late at night so if I want to eat at night
what's hot what's I mean? This is what I like about guy in the morning three in the morning what what what's
open at one I am lots of
Asian food. So this is a big thing in Asia. It's like love it Pakistan when we were there. It's like you would Yeah, to I am. You'd go to a food place and just ate
Yeah. And I Asia comes alive at night. It's a big thing. My young one of my youngest sisters her and her husband are in Brisbane right now they just moved there, but Their aim is to move to Spain and they want to go because they love things happening at night. Yeah. And that Spain like you start dinner at 11pm
early dinner. You think it's good lifestyle? Like, is it? eating it too? I am. Are you making bad food
choices? Yes, definitely.
But hang on what do you What's your life look like a not you but like for someone eating at 11pm in Spain, they working it's getting up at 7am to go to work.
Yeah, but then they have like this two or three hour or four hours sometimes siesta where everything stops. You go home with your family, you eat together as a family. And then you go and take a nap.
It's annoying if you're not used to like when we went to Barcelona, it's like either, you can only start eating from 8pm and that's from Barcelona. It would be one it would be from the room.
Yeah, but so then it's Yeah, that's a wee thing. Have you been to Afghanistan?
No. I know what's
on paper. My sister has my youngest
sister live there for you
live there. Yeah. I watched a video yesterday on YouTube of a guy is, you know, premise of premises Afghanistan, we hear about what happens over there. how dangerous it is, is it dangerous? I'm on the ground, I've got a camera, and I'm going and I've got a translator, and I'm meeting people and so you're hearing from these
sambal is that what's what's
this was a YouTuber, just like a legit YouTuber. He looked like the whitest guy ever, like crisp haircut, just you know, just like, just like a watty being amongst culture and just a fish out of water. Like, you know, in these Gant t shirts around people wearing sort of what they can to survive and hearing about how they're living on. One guy was making 500 something which was like, six $6 us and that's what we've done a day, in fact, just made me like I felt that there was a woman in there whose baby was getting sick and just had made 50 cents to get five was somewhere it's like, a different world. I mean, that's, that's the great thing about travelling. Where have you found that sort of gave you the most perspective about your existence? And what it all means growing up
in Papa New Guinea? Yeah, it was. That was the biggest life experience, you know, like going from these rich suburbs of the US to papa New Guinea where you see like, it was literally night and day like, I think I walked around and just absolute shock. You know what, specially when I was nine, when I was younger, it was different. But when I was nine, I was just shocked and witnessing, you know, like, I think the thing is, as well it's like very hard in for people in the West, like, because the media promotes like, the media generally, is very Western centric, and it comes from the west and that's what you see in the world. And that's, you know, the website. Most websites in the world are English language. And then of those websites, you know, like probably the VAT over 50% of them, I'm sure are in North America alone and consumed by North Americans. And then, you know, the UK, Australia, these countries Canada. And so you kind of think because of what goes out there, that this is the world, but then you don't realise that actually most of the world lives like that person enough stuff. And not like us where we're like, oh, what do we have for dinner tonight? You know, and I think that's kind of you know, it's a, it's an interesting thing, because we read our reality differently, because we think it's a reality when it's not. And that's often because of the role the media plays, especially in first world countries with the West.
So when you were living in Atlanta, working at CNN, a news organisation that's doing just that, I guess, like getting a perspective. Were you pushing back on that or saying, Hey, what about these other stories?
Yeah, for sure. I think a lot and a lot of journalists do that. You know, I think there's no doubt like one of the things I loved about working at CNN, this was a long time ago, I don't know what the nature of CNN is like now, but when I was here was it would have been this was late 90s. Yeah. I think definitely the people I worked with are all passionate about justice and seeking truth and letting people know about things. And I was involved in the very early days, there is a show that we started called inside Africa, which was just a kind of handful of us on the side working on this show, which was trying to show the other side of Africa because all that was being shown of Africa was Civil War, AIDS, famine, you know, and there's this concept of like, trying to show like, okay, like, what about people just doing ordinary things and, you know, interesting things, and it's, and you know, and then the other things about Africa that weren't war, famine, AIDS and stuff was also like safaris or you know, is like, Is there anything else going on? So there was a focus on like musicians and our culture and, you know, just ordinary people doing extraordinary things. And so yeah, I mean, the end, there was a lot of examples of that as well. The first show I worked on that at CNN was called World beat, which I absolutely love. It's an international music show. And I wish they had something like that now, and that also put a lot of energy into interviewing other artists. Like one of the highlights of my time at CNN was interviewing lucky dubay famous South African reggae artist who unfortunately, was killed in South Africa, but, you know, like a lot of people think of reggae as being like from Jamaica or the Caribbean, but actually, like Africa has a huge genre of reggae music. So, which I actually grew up on a lot of African reggae and popular Guinea, which is really interesting. So I don't know I do think those organisations even by default without trying to are trying to show those things, but at the same time, a lot of that information uses dictated by consumers, right. So I remember we worked on this show. Which is a documentary and it was horrific. It was called cry Freetown and it was about Freetown, which is the capital of Sierra Leone and was when the Civil War was happening in Sierra Leone. And the rebel forces had basically taken over Freetown and there was a guy that was working for UNICEF. As a cameraman in the A v department, he might not even been the cameraman. But basically, he looked out the window and the rebels were coming down the street and the rebels were the campaign they had was called kill everything that moves. And that's exactly what they're doing was
that forward? Through was
the lowers. The footage that we had to work with was it's still burned in my brain like I couldn't sleep many of those nights is so horrific what they're doing and they're literally coming up the street and killing every single thing in their path and viciously and what's the theme for them?
Obviously, come up with a slogan wipe out Everything.
What is it to do why they wanted to take over the country and the government? Take power start from scratch? Yeah, people and you knows a lot of childhood soldiers. Actually one of the, I think one of the best films made by Netflix is called Beasts of No Nation. And it's loosely based on those types of stories. And when I watched it, it was exactly like the documentary stuff we're working on with Sierra Leone. It's an excellent excellent movie. It's extremely harsh and difficult to watch but I thought it was so well done and highly recommended piece of donation but it's very difficult to watch. But
yeah, it was mentioning the child soldier thing. It just reminded me of Coney Coney 12 what happened to Coney was he was a
front for something.
No, no, no, that's a person
that was like a
title. He was a rebel trying to get power and he would recruit child Soldiers and basically well recruit, meaning like go make the child execute his parents, and then take the child. And once you've been traumatised and broken down like that, then you build them up and you become their family. And so a lot of it's what a lot of games do in the world as well, right? Like you become their family, like people that are searching for that you breaks up these people were not searching for that these people were just living their lives in their villages or the towns they were in. And then the rebels would come in, surround the village rape, kill, and then take the kids, especially the boys that they wanted as soldiers is it's horrific stuff, and it's real. And the thing is, this stuff still happens right now. And so where
is it at now? Because I guess this is what happens even with the bushfires. There's a time where it feels like the media and social media, it's going to be the change and everyone's talking about I remember like, the Kony 2012 thing. I remember how big that was on social media.
So one of those first social movements that Then level,
but then where does it? Where does it end up? Where does that land?
I'm not sure. I don't know, with the Kony thing right now. But I think that is one of the problems with having kind of this instant culture that we live in. It's like, that was one of the issues I had working with the news in general, is that, you know, people become addicted to the latest news. So even if things are going on, still don't really want to talk about it, because that's not the new thing right now, the flavour of the month right now, is this thing happening in Syria? Next month, it might be this other thing happening somewhere else. So it was it's kind of sad, and that's, I think that's a combination of, you know, news outlets needing funding to do things and you know, basing themselves on commercial gain, but then also people so the reason I was talking about cry Freetown was because one of my friends at CNN, this is before like a lot of people would email and I sorry, like social media, but one of my friends was in charge of like all the phones at CNN, where people would call in and give like feedback. back. Oh, that, you know, news article you just did about such and such, you know, I've got this person who you know, I didn't like that episode I think that was incorrect or whatever and you take all this feedback. And I'll never forget when we aired cry Freetown on CNN. This was like it was it was huge because nobody had made a documentary journalists that were in Freetown interiorly onry either killed or evacuated. So two years later, finally, this documentary got made and you gotta watch it because this guy what he did was he looked out the window, saw them coming in massacring everyone in new just imagine he was the only one in the building and you knew there just find him and kill him. So he grabbed the camera and a bunch of batteries and put it on the UNICEF s and ran out straight to the soldiers like cheering and with his hands in the air and hugging them and celebrating and just basically saying yes, you you're taking over the Capitol, and basically one favour with their officer and just said you know, this is the revolution. We have to film this. This The history of this country and you know, first they kind of knocked him to the ground and he's like, No, no, we gotta film this. And then they just were like, actually, he's right. Okay film. And then Poor guy. That's a go with them now and start filming as they're going door to door and just massacring people. So there's a thing that it was the thing is, and the story of him is amazing of how we survive this. And then he gets kept, you know, then the United African soldiers who are fighting the rebels captured him. And of course, they think he's one of the rebels. So anyway, long story short, he manages to escape and he hides all the tapes, berries a hole under a bridge somewhere, and he's being tortured and stuff. Anyway, years later, he comes back and gets the tapes. And then they make this documentary. And as the first time there was footage of this stuff, and it's quite intense, highly recommend it. But the reason I was saying it was, I think these things do make an impact as well because within two weeks of US Air That the UN quickly met and next thing you know, French Special Forces are going into try and help and there was more attention. At the same time when we aired it. We aired this thing oh my god, heartbreaking everything then right after you know there's soft news and hard news. Soft news is like okay, let's end with a feel good thing or whatever. There was this one bit of news. It wasn't necessarily soft news, but it is about when it was around the time where people started to get cameras in their homes and stuff. And this person had a dog sitter coming over and they put a camera in the hidden in the bookshelf. And then they came home and they saw the dog sitter was like smacking the dog on the nose. And so that was the kind of story right of like, this person found
like a nanny cams Teddy Bear, Teddy Bear and they eyes with cameras is great. The thing
is, though, I don't want you know, I'm not of course, like animal cruelty is not good. And you know, I saw the video I don't think she was really hurting the dog. That was like slapping it a little bit. But the thing is You've just seen these people, like kids being born to live yeah healed, and it was horrific. And then suddenly this little video, and my friend who worked the phones at CNN was like, it's funny. Nobody really called about the series of the documentary. But the phone went off the chain. When people saw the dog they
said like something turn the koala thing as well. Like, I wonder how many people I can connecting more to the, you know, billion animals?
Yeah, maybe. And I mean, definitely wonder biology of it. Yeah. And I think like Ricky Gervais is talks about this a little bit as well, which, you know, I understand where a lot of people are coming from in this where it's kind of like, Look, human beings are mean, and there's, you know, it's like, they've caused their own problems. Animals are innocent, and that's what like, they're just caught in the middle of our own destruction. So of course, we and I'm not saying we shouldn't be passionate, but I think we need to be we need to have everything and I think psych you know, psychologically as human beings, we think We create false dichotomies. And it's hard for us to kind of do everything. So we just kind of latch on to one thing. And that's why also, the news is constantly changing. Even those situations in the world are still happening. And I think there's also a sense of like, when there's so much going on and so much negativity, you also feel kind of helpless and it's like, I'd rather just turn off the TV and go get a bubble tea, you know,
you would love the bubble. And even though you're talking about a hot bubble tea,
you know, you can get this a bubble tea shop down here. No way. Yeah, we should get one I should do one hot bubble tea. That's what I wanted to bring to this, but I didn't want to be late. So
I'll be 150 grammes of sugar by the end of that bubble tea,
finding your sugars now I'm not sure.
I actually do I checked my blood every night. Sorry,
because I've done it. And so what's the What do you got to keep it at what's the
keep it under level six.
How you finding it? I didn't test last night I shouldn't have that I knew was gonna be, but I haven't been that bad. Like, I'm not. When I got diagnosed with diabetes, I think I just had like a stack of pancakes as well. Yeah, I was at like, 8.7 you got to be less than six.
And so what does it mean? So, what does it mean being a diabetic?
It means you have high levels of sugar in your blood. And then the thing is, it's not only like, not good for you like as far as like and shit. Yeah, the problem is it affects your circulation so you can lose your vision you can lose your toes, your feet, that's kind of how it starts. So a lot of people a good friend of mine was basically like, Look, it's not about you dying. It's about us starting to lose your vision and your you know, labelling
issue with death. You've already said that your Oh, yeah.
Yeah, what my mom gets mad.
Yeah. You think it's part because your dad passed away when he was crying? Young now, do you feel like is there a connection there? Or?
I don't think so. I feel I mean, I'm a as a behind by religion, we believe that this earth is not the end of everything. I believe that there's an afterlife. And I feel like in a way This world is we believe that this world is preparation for the spiritual realm. And so in a way maybe it is
white limit. Yeah, it's
the invention of lying. He pretends he's no one's lied before and he pretends that he's been spoken to by the man this guy and everybody started he says you know after this there is something in
the moment and get get a moment get a planet,
I believe. What is I don't know about the more my Scientologists
don't mix them out. Yeah.
So but I will say about Ricky Gervais because I'm a huge fan of his and he's very anti religious. And I'm very religious. But I absolutely love Ricky Jarvis. And I think a lot of the things he says are true. And I, I love his show. afterlife. It's great, isn't it? I think, I don't know if you've seen him. I love that show. I think he's nailed it, and what's comedy, but you're laughing and crying, cuz I know, he's got all the emotions. And I like the fan. And I feel like you should be able to talk about your beliefs, like everybody has an agenda and a sense of talking about their beliefs. And he's made this show about the afterlife. And you know, well, in the sense is about afterlife and being good and stuff. And I think like others should do that, you know, you should do that Christian should do that. Everybody should be able to express that. And I think he did such a great job
is a video of a priest Parish, the head of the church, Catholic Church in California in Los Angeles, talking with Sam Harris, who's an atheist scientist, very different belief systems. And it's the most respectful conversation. The priest respect Sam Samaras finishes up to belief systems having conversation. It's really great to watch.
And I think that's kind of one of the issues as well. And I, and maybe media, whether directly or indirectly has helped fuel This is that there is this kind of notion, especially when you hear the conversations happening, at least in Western media, is that again, there's these false dichotomies. It's like, you're either in this camp or you're in that camp, you're either this or you're that you can't be you know, you can't be religious and love something like Ricky Gervais is who doesn't, you know, you can't have normal conversations about stuff. And I feel like that's really missing nowadays. I think that sense of respect. And really kind of like trying to work together with different types of people to find truth or to find harmony and help society move forward, is really missing and people are very quick to kind of like put themselves in a camp and that's it. And you see that In the political landscape of the US and so many different things, and Bill Maher who I also I love his podcast and Bill Maher talks about this concept a lot as well and there's a lot of people talking about this and I feel it is it's refreshing to be able to have conversations with not just like minded people with you know, people that think differently but then you you work things out together and then you can still walk away like the example you gave you can still walk away maintaining your beliefs, but being good buddies and getting a bubble tea together, you know,
yeah, I mean, I think the the media plays its role in dictating the I mean, they're not in control your feelings but they differently triggering to people who are consuming something CNN or whatever it is reading the newspaper, like this morning on the way to work. I was listening to seven seven for ABC Radio, I think. And from the bushfires, which it was heavy, heavy coverage of All the stuff going on. Now the coverage this morning was about, we're not doing enough. They're not they're not dividing the money and sending out money quick enough. She's like I could see this coming from a mile away that they would jump on that it's two weeks after they've closed off a huge
cyclical, right? It's the same like every disaster every, like it all has the same friction points
because I could come on site. This charity is received $95 million, which is the biggest donation ever. They don't know what to do with it, and they don't want to fuck it up. So they're going to sort of slowly but mindfully, start distributing the money because then there's going to be someone says, My house is gone. I need help. And they go, like, we will fuck everyone's money. That's not a goal that they run with.
In a sense, that's what trolling is, right? Like it's kind of like that in a different way. But they're just doing it to create like, people want drama. I
know you're not gonna have a TV show negativity spreads. Yeah. negativity spread.
But imagine I remember when I worked at CNN, Ted Turner was floating this idea really want to start the positive news network or like, you know, the good news network, he wanted to have a network which just showed like good news, kind of like what we're trying to do at inside Africa. Like, why does everything have to be about you know, when you you know, there are things as well that you know, when I have friends that say, Oh, the state of the world today is like, now the state of the world is terrible. There's no question. But also like, is it also because we have so much more access to news now, like people weren't able to just film on their phone like stuff happening? So when you're bombarded with these dramas constantly, how much and I'm not saying we should dismiss that how much negativity feeds negativity and how much positivity feeds positivity, like there's such a thing as positive peer pressure as well.
We I guess there's humans love tension. We like we need tension in our lives. And so if everyone thing was good or we saw everything is through that lens potentially wouldn't create the tension that we like and we thrive or that we, you know, crave. So yeah, I wonder where where news and positivity sit?
I don't know. What about so what about
essenza? It's a hard one. I mean, yeah,
pain, Jay, you know, this horrible stuff that happens there. What's the news there? Because I mean, where we're watching is from the privileged position of Melbourne, or wherever we are around Australia. It's like we're lucky. We're highly lucky in comparison to some of these
countries like global news versus local news as well. like think about anyone who is looking at the bushfires who are outside of Australia, I think, and rightly so that the whole of Australia is bit like everything is burning, right? Like the way that it's communicated, and rightly so because is such a big thing by guess that can also change people's perspective. Yeah.
What are you watching on the news in public?
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think it's the same thing. I think like you're saying people are drawn to tension and drama. And also the sad thing is that the the way people do things in the West, for example, and in a lot of news agencies that are kind of running the show, that becomes the norm, and then everybody tries to follow suit, right? So you even see it. Like, you know, Netflix has a lot of comedians on the show. And I always find that really interesting that some of the comedians I've seen on Netflix, that are from other countries that I've seen before, they do a Netflix special, and their tone is different. You can see they're trying to sound American, they're swearing more they're doing all these things that Wait a minute, like they're almost imitating because of that scene is the kind of standard and I wonder like, how much how much of this stuff like when somebody as popular, does that mean that should be the standard? And
then I guess like on the point around the negativity versus positivity, you were talking about this sane and journalists having a real sense of justice. Yep. justice requires us talking about it. Is it us being in a privileged position men are now we don't want the negativity, like if people are dying, if there are injustices, should we know?
Yeah, but I think you can still look at people like, let's say there's a bad situation. For example, they reported about the fires a lot at the very beginning on ABC, I'll never forget this. Something they were talking about is how many homes were lost, right? Then somebody came out and said, what about the homes that were saved? Why aren't we talking about that? All these firemen and their volunteers are doing so much hard work? What about counting all the homes and lives they've saved? It's kind of the same thing, but it's looking at it differently. So
I told you I told you about this news. contra you Top of red bar with the tally of deaths, and it was almost gamify it to go I would check and go back is anymore. I want to say this. Yeah.
Whatever vocation what provokes change what provokes donations? So if you if you're a viewer and you say Are they save tapes of homes, does that get you to
be like oh they've got that they got at hand. And so
there is there is also I watch
who's run who's the incentive to the incentive from a media outlet is is an views and listens, it's not donations. And so you can say that the attention to attention to the devastation is helping the donations. But that's not their initial in reason for putting it forward. They're a media company that need people listening, talking, coming back,
and then I guess if at the same time you because you can definitely look at that. And I would say that the CNN example Like people say, Oh, you know, the internet has created this world where all of this media is now based on clickbait and clicking through. It was just a different version was just phone calls like who's caught like, what are people calling up for? Right? And I'm sure that the Yeah, the hidden camera with the you know, slapping the dog. We get that up that actually Jackie nice and he's actually doing the you know that that creates a need within the business to find more of that. I guess like the other thing is the Justice bit. And it feels like in that time the people that are being set, what is the advantage to the public? So I guess there's a narrative or there's an agenda, the agenda is there is a climate crisis. We need to be doing something about it. Focusing on houses being saved, doesn't necessarily communicate the problem.
Yeah, and I think there's this Constant kind of like, turmoil or battle within these organisations like, you know, news outlets and governments and different things have kind of like pulling on the emotions or the heartstrings versus the actual facts and then the economy and, you know, there's, there's, you know, it's, it's, it's not easy, which is why, you know, the world is not easy and I think, you know, these things are complex, but which is why going back to your point, we need to have these discussions where two people have different ideas and things can talk about it. I think intention is is critical here as well. Like I think when you have a society or culture is fueled by economic gain, then your intention immediately changes and that everything you do is built on a, you know, perhaps an incorrect foundation. So where does the you know intention lie if you're just trying to get clicks or you're just trying to get more money when what if you don't need as much money and what you need is, you know, people to come Hug the families, you know, there's these different things. I remember one of the stories, one of my friends at CNN did long time ago, was about like some of the orphanages in Romania after some of the civil wars, and it was all over like Bosnia, bunch of these orphanages, and they were hiring retirees to come and hold the babies in these orphanages. And it's kind of like, you know, I think we also forget, like, we always look at things very materialistically. But what about the kind of when you talk about emotion, what about things like that? Like, what about these people coming and just holding babies? Like, how, what kind of effect does that have on the situation of the orphanage? You know, and I think those are harder to measure. It's not like a tick thing that you can have coming across the screen that you can measure the emotional sustenance that that baby is gaining from this human being holding it and giving it love so it's easier to just go for the obvious things like the statistics and stuff, and I think those are important conversations to have, we need to have a discourse on these concepts of like, why do we only go towards the kind of easy obvious things when it might suck, but it might be harder, but we have to focus on the more difficult thing. The development world does that too. When I lived in these Timor's the same thing, people wanted to do a mural on a wall like graffiti and a mural with an organisation about peace and harmony, because that was an easy thing to do. It's like, we get the artists to come, they paint the mural, we could take photos of it, there's a photo opportunity to shake hands, and then it's done. It's a complete project, but they're not looking and because they might not be funded next year. So they need to show something to get funds. But if they're really looking at the well being like the and I mean, that holistically, not just like financially, the well being of that neighbourhood where they did that mural, once you look at it from generations, you know, for generations like okay, well What does this community really need? When I was in Uganda was the same thing in northern Uganda was one of the worst civil wars ever. People hacked to death, all this stuff going on. And these doctors and therapists came in. And they found that these villages that had been ravaged by the soldiers or rebels, and, you know, just horrific things happen. When they asked them what the village wanted, they said, We want to build our church first. We need the church first. And it's kind of like what, like, everybody's sending clothes and food and stuff. But So these things are non measurables. I mean, I think they're just a lot harder to figure out
what's the finite games versus the infinite games. And I guess the finite games are the easy ones to play, because there's a set of rules and boundaries. It's like, you do this, you get money, that sort of thing. The Infinite games have the opportunity to make huge amounts of positive change, but they're harder,
they're harder and they take longer in your head. I have to be in it for the long run. I see it as like the sprint versus the marathon or you know, and, and I feel like people are just, you know, we don't, especially also with a lot of the technology now we're kind of in an instant culture like everything is so instant. So we're not thinking long term about like, what these ramifications are.
Before we finish up on Wednesday, Mr. 97 did a bit of a talk on sex with our mate scooter Derek.
very brave, very brave. I was really, really
what's your thoughts on sex?
I mean, I think it's a beautiful thing.
What about like from the I guess, looking at it in the, through the eyes of religion and your experiences with sex? How's it changed or your perception has changed over the youth?
I don't know if my perceptions change. A mom is going to be watching. Yes, I No, I mean, I think I was born. I think
No, I mean, like when what what context? I mean, I think it's, it's I do think as we're talking about media, that especially in the West, there's been this profound, like, emphasis on sex and sexuality. And I feel like you know, you almost like, I feel like it's one part of the, of the human experience of social life and family life and the individual and stuff. But it's kind of like we're bombarded by so much that it's become such a big piece of the pie of everything. And I feel like, I definitely feel there's an imbalance in that. And I think that also promotes like different concepts of like, you know, like, with marriage or things like this romantic idea the same way kind of like romantic movies can kind of create a false sense of what a manager supposed to be. You know, like Hello, I thought I'd be galloping on horseback along the beach together. But actually, life is hard that we can pay the rent, we've got to do the laundry and pick up the kids and you know, reality sets in and I think they create these kind of mirages. I think like, as far as sex goes, the society has focused so much on this that it's very dangerous, it creates these kind of, you know, mirages, and that can work in different ways, depending on how you consume it and stuff. But I feel I mean, I think it's a beautiful thing. I'm a behind as highs, sex, the sex impulse and stuff is acknowledged and encouraged, but it's, you know, encouraged within the context of a marriage.
And so, guilt and sex I guess that those are two things that are intertwined in in a weird way for many people.
Yeah, I think yeah, maybe and especially when it's being spoken about in religious context. Often, I think, I don't see religion is that way though. I see. For example, belief systems, or at least my belief system. kind of the way that you know, I don't think this should be this kind of like guilt of like lightning bolts or whatever you've done something right or wrong or, or you had sex before marriage Shame on you. I don't think it's like that. I think it's more kind of like these teachings from these prophets or messengers is kind of like, you know, this is what it looks like to have a well balanced diet.
Is that based on culture? Do you think though Do you think that's like culture in a period of time? So if you look at when those prophets were around, and it was a long time ago, it was more conservative in that time, so the views will potentially be more conservative.
Yeah, but I don't I mean, again, that's to do with belief, because I don't believe that those things are based on just culture and time. I think those things. I think that if you believe in spirituality, I think there's certain spiritual truths that run through if you believe, you know, for behind, we believe that human beings are both physical and spiritual, and the two are also interconnected and intertwined. So what you do physically also has ramifications on your spiritual well being. And then these things also have social ramifications and things naturally, but so I don't think you can kind of necessarily always separate the two. It's like, once you've added milk into your tea, you can separate and I feel like human beings are like that. And you can,
again, these, a lot of these are false dichotomies, I think,
just religion have room to move. So for instance, if the Times have changed, or things have evolved, what does I guess you can use your sort of faith as a as a way like, have you seen the behind faith change based on society?
Yes, but not in the not in the behind faith does change but not in the sense of our laws and teachings, for example. So the bahala is the Prophet of the by faith and there's laws that bahala Put down that highs stick to and don't change. But the high administration we have elected nine people every five years that run the affairs of the PI World community. And then local communities, those people can change the laws of the body faith, for example, that that doesn't change. Like, if, in bahala, his teachings, he said, If things have not been decided upon by a whole lot, then it's the job of the universal House of justice that elected nine people to basically come up with those laws. So for example, you know, things that are coming up nowadays then the universal House of justice will make a will if they decide or not to make along those things. But then again, Bahais are also products of their environment, their reality, just people like everybody else. So so much of their own cultures also so heavily influenced and infused into the way so like, you know, somebody Australia might see some of these laws in a certain way, and then somebody living in Zimbabwe might, you know, see some of these laws in a different way and also struggle with different types of things that different, you know, depending on the media and what society promotes and you know, all this type of thing,
the media thing, are you talking about the romanticism of gay marriage? Yeah, it's like it's on a horse and on a beetle, that sort of thing. Which sounds horrendous to me, like, the idea of being on a horse on a beach seems uncomfortable. I guess if you were honest,
if you got a saddle naked.
But so using that example, you see, or you hear stories of your religious made, so it's like we didn't do sex before marriage. They didn't live together before marriage, and then they finally get married, move in, realise that they're completely incompatible and then they actually or pain in the ass to live with. We're not sexually compatible on all that sort of stuff is religion in some ways, just like that media narrative where it's romanticising? The importance of this specific thing rather than the nuance of let's actually, as 97 puts a test and learn.
Yeah, before we, I mean, I think it depends, like in the behind faith. For example, I think, you know, we're encouraged to get to know the partner and things like that. But then why why does having sex with a person define getting to know that person and whether you're
and so isn't that the case? Well, if we talk about that milk and tea analogy, and it sort of all intertwined, is it also just as naive to say that they are set like we do separate those things that we can know someone socially, or we can know a partner without having that experience?
And this is what I'm saying. I'm saying like, how do you kind of like, you know, like, why an emphasis on that? For example, where then not like, like, why would people assume that that is the cause of a divorce? For example? I don't know. I just think human beings are I mean, I can see how that can happen. Because if you think that
you know, to go the other way, like this, that sort of version you set on narrative is like, makes sense to sort of push down or disregard the worth of not experimenting or not doing the stuff before you get married because the otherwise you with somebody who you had massive chemistry with, then you're not into the sex with them later on this way. You dumped them. Yeah. And so
or even getting to the, you know, I have friends that have, for example, you know, had lots of sex before they got married, and then when they threatened and then when they got married, they really struggled because all they were doing was comparing it to all their other sexual partners. So that could also backfire, right? So, whereas if if if there is chastity involved, and both people come to it, they learn, they explore they grow together in that way. And then also again, like so much of this revolves around like these notions of kind of like what is our purpose in life? What does marriage mean? You know, it's, again, these are things that I find it is so complex and difficult. I don't feel like it's necessarily able to, you know, you can't necessarily pigeonhole things even with my divorce people were like, Oh, you proposed or the third time you met her? No wonder you got divorced, but I don't think that's why we got divorced or other factors and there wasn't one factor. There's many
different big would you potentially, yes. What would you want? Would you say potentially that meeting three times and then getting married? There is a lot higher likelihood of divorce based on the testing and learning stuff. You haven't actually worked out whether no because
compatible Know, because you go to countries like India where there's a lot of arranged marriage, and they have an extremely successful marriage.
Is that because they don't, but is it going based on their value system? So they're actually not seeking those things. But because of media and everything like that we have the expectation that it's like, if you're getting married with someone, you shouldn't be doing all these things, you can have the whole thing.
Yeah. But I also think, again, these things are complex, because like that whole concept of like, you know, what do I want what's important for me and like individualism also plays into societies like in India, for example, where it's more social and communal, and it's not just about you, it's about your family. It's about the society you live in and the neighbourhood, and stuff plays a big role to in shaping your thoughts and emotions, on how you interpret and take things on. So if you live in an individualistic society where everything is about whatever you feel Whatever makes you feel and also, that pumps this concept of the pleasure principle,
you think pumps,
the sorry, maybe not the best, but it means pumping it out.
Chop I mean, this pleasure principle like in, you know, in the US and Australia, I think like there's so much emphasis on this concept of whatever makes you happy, you know, and so, but what if what makes you happy is at the expense of others. And it's not always just obvious things like violence or whatever, like, what about economy or business? People screw each other over business wise, but it's all it's okay. It's just, it's just business like that term. It's just business. Wait a minute, like, why is that? Okay? What about being human What about emotion and love and trying to do the right thing. So I'm just saying, these things are also hard to navigate or understand when they're, even for someone like me when there aren't like, who assumes that I have kind of a kind of clear direction of nuanced that's just So nuance oral sex those nuances
are based on very like difficult foundations depending on the environment you live in, is that the reproductive beat that like with the inside the content like obviously you know a lot about your faith. Is that the reproductive nature of sex that's a problem and he's oral sex scene is okay. No, you can't no oral sex. Okay.
That was it. Anything else says anything you want to ask him? No. Okay.
Very brave like that. That video you're in is
fantana important, I think right? Like it. Yeah, it's important to be able to
exactly I think you're when you talked about the priests and I think these conversations are so important and of all types of all kinds of you know, and not to be influenced by others. Don't let people tell you what you know, you do what you feel is right. When you feel it's right. If you feel it like don't like the Don't give into that peer pressure. whatever that may be.
Unless your name's Telly.
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