Josh Janssen: [00:00:00] It's the daily talk show episode 890. What is
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:07] happening? Growing what's going on Howie.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:11] Very good. Uh, I've um, been going to podcast movement, which is a conference. We
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:17] chose a fucking Zumba class, the latest and greatest you listen
Josh Janssen: [00:00:22] to
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:22] podcasts while doing exercise.
Josh Janssen: [00:00:23] You're hinting to spoken word, I believe
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:26] interpretive dance to
Josh Janssen: [00:00:28] Joe Rogan.
Have you been to many conferences in your, in your time?
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:34] Well, I mean, as you and I have been in the, the video production game for quite some time, I've been to a bunch by proxy of that. Um, Other than that. It's when Jules Lund has given me some free pass and rock up, rock up. So, but
Josh Janssen: [00:00:52] no conference,
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:55] I caught it.
That's what
Josh Janssen: [00:00:56] I was talking about.
Tommy Jackett: [00:00:58] No, no, no. See, I haven't worked for businesses enough, like bigger business. Um, where that's, who sent, like, I was always the title. I'm not paying 800 bucks for a whole day of a conference. Yep. So, and nor would anyone there it's all the work, their work is going. We need to educate these people that work for us.
So let's send them to a conference, but I like the idea.
Josh Janssen: [00:01:21] Yeah. I mean, You're you're spot on because like, even when I was looking, you can see the attendee list, you get a 10 day list of very good. Like it's you scroll through looking at who, you know, and, um, a lot of people from ABC, Australia, and, um, it makes sense, big businesses, you know, these government organizations, that's the big thing.
That's one of the, like, when I've worked for bigger businesses, you actually get like a learning and development budget. It's like a percentage of your salary.
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:49] Yeah. So what's the name of it again? Is it
Josh Janssen: [00:01:51] podcast, podcast, movement,
Tommy Jackett: [00:01:54] podcast movement. Hmm. Interesting. And so, I mean, I was receiving a Slack message at 3:30 AM last night.
It didn't wake me up, but I woke up to it, ed six when I went for a walk and I was like this
Josh Janssen: [00:02:09] guy that if it wasn't based on what was happening in the conference, that was just me getting emails. Like I'm not even joking. Ah, just do another shit. But
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:19] so you were up cause I know the conference was late at night in Rio.
Josh Janssen: [00:02:22] Yeah. So I did two, 2:00 AM to 4:00 AM. Uh, last night, serious morning or an animal. It's great. I loved it. It reminds me like it's, um, I think I've done it a bunch of like, not so much like virtual. This is one of the first virtual conferences. That I've been to where it's got multiple streams and they have the attendee list.
You can just go through it. Like Michael Bungay Stanier was there. And I just get, I might just jump on a 10 day thing.
Tommy Jackett: [00:02:55] Yeah. Normally that guys, just a normal day, man, you're up and said, what was the vibe at 2:00 AM for you?
Josh Janssen: [00:03:03] Uh, it was good and I was trying to work out the best way. So I put my alarm on for one 50 in the morning and, uh, I actually woke up in anticipation at one 30.
I was like, Oh, this is great. I'm not going to put the alarm because I went through, I don't have the alarm. I don't use the alarm much. Um, and when I was going through listening to the sounds. There wasn't one sound that wasn't going to give me anxiety like D J I think if you listen to, it reminds you of, I've got this big thing to do.
I've got to rush to the airport. I have, I don't like passport. Like it's the, they need to rethink the way they do their alarms.
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:44] Well, uh,
Josh Janssen: [00:03:45] I'm sorry. Index cards have stuck to
Tommy Jackett: [00:03:49] the new iOS, uh, operating system has the ability to use a song from Apple music, but then you have to have Apple music as a subscription.
So,
Josh Janssen: [00:04:02] I mean, I justifies the Apple subscription. Absolutely.
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:05] No, that's right. As I'm saying,
Josh Janssen: [00:04:07] I'm like, you know that I would, they going to put music on. I like to wake up to her. It's the final countdown? Well, I had it,
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:15] I had Apple music the first year that I had my Telstra fine. Like when I went and moved to Telstra, they gave it to me for free and it was good.
Cause you could just yell at your phone, play this. I mean, but now you can do. If you've got an Amazon at home, like there's so many new options. And so, yeah, it's, it's a little bit bizarre. So anyway, any, um, any good learnings from your 2:00 AM session?
Josh Janssen: [00:04:38] So the great thing is this thing goes for 10 days. So over the next, over the next few days, I'll just,
Tommy Jackett: [00:04:44] I was wondering why you wanted me to drop off that bag of ice.
Josh Janssen: [00:04:48] I'm going to, um, have to have a beach sesh, but now it's, um, the. Yeah. It, it runs for like 10 days. Uh, so, uh, this one morning, what was I watching stuff on? Like podcasts advertising. They did a big sort of like state of podcast casting, which was interesting. I took a photo of some stats. It was like, um, let's have a look here.
Uh, he's he's a fun step for you all. Uh, 54% of people like the high, like the, the, the top. Um, it was how I can't fucking speak. Uh, how listeners discover new spoken word content, uh, new spoken word, audio. How do you think people, what would be the number one reason?
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:33] Oh, a friend of a friend. Like someone, just a referral.
Josh Janssen: [00:05:37] What? So the highest was actually searching the internet. So
Tommy Jackett: [00:05:42] Google, like Google majority, or just
Josh Janssen: [00:05:44] like, you know, searching on any podcasts apps, I guess. But I just, I thought that was interesting. Yeah, that was one of the main things. There was also, there's been a huge, huge, um, uptick, people listening in the home and, um, uh, the, uh, 82% of people said that the reason they love listening to podcasts is because of the multitasking.
Tommy Jackett: [00:06:07] Being able to multitask. Yeah. I mean, Craig hopper on yesterday's show was mentioning our shows a good multitasking show. Um, I, I don't know if that's what we've strived for in our law, in our existence, but you know, like you can do a bunch of other stuff. There is some like even last night, walking, listening to a meditation, It wasn't a meditation session.
It was like a conversation around meditation with two, two teachers. And for the first, probably 15 minutes of my walk, I really was focused in on what they were saying. I was connecting, I was speaking out loud to myself, just repeating staff. But then when I noticed that I was like coming closer to people, I would, I would blank.
And now, and I wouldn't have listened to a second of what they said. Cause I was thinking about the situation, you know, and I just, you know, my surroundings, what was going down and, and then I had to rewind it. And so there is some shit like for that, I need to rewind because I'm needing to understand it.
But I was distracted a little while and I ended up stopping the whole podcast because this is, um, I can tell you Josh, my walking. Is paying off.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:20] Really? Why do you say that
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:22] I'm making
Josh Janssen: [00:07:22] cash with you? What are you making? You're making cash. You
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:26] can catch sun.
Josh Janssen: [00:07:27] I am delivering the paper.
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:31] That's a great idea.
That is a great idea. To get your step. Can out start a pharmacy round,
Josh Janssen: [00:07:37] like
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:38] no last night. Well, I walked down needed to get quite a few steps in. Can I get sort
Josh Janssen: [00:07:44] of what happened? You walk past. A bakery and they said, how might we see you walking all the time? Would you, we're going to check this bread out.
Do you want some bread? I
Tommy Jackett: [00:07:56] mean, I made some bread, but it wasn't in the form of a
Josh Janssen: [00:07:58] lot of cash, money, cash,
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:01] money, cash, money. So I was walking around this oval. I go down and I just like, I did seven laps the other day. And I was so disappointed. How little steps that I had gotten got, got up. I was like, I'm outta here.
So I just walked off. I got bored, but I'm so glad that I went down to this over last night. Because I did a loop and I noticed on the ground, there was like, just look like a, you know, those, like, I wouldn't use one, but like, there are a phone case that income it's like, Lumos makes it look like a whole brick.
Like it's, you can store everything in there as well as your, and so I saw
Josh Janssen: [00:08:38] you found someone
Tommy Jackett: [00:08:40] walked around again, I didn't touch it cause there was a few people around and then I came back around and I was like, I kicked it like a little tap. I was like, is that like something in there? Cause I've, I've been fooled before, like a phone case upside down that has no phone in it.
And it's like, ah, that got me anyway. I picked it up and it was a full wallet, like probably 10 cards in there. Everything you need. There was the phone in there. Put it on this that, you know, nice family on the background of the phone, it was fully charged, no miss cold or anything. And so I saw these guys and it's like, boys, boys, is this your phone?
He's like, no, no, no. It's been there for a while. I see. I'd have, they've seen it. They've spotted them. And so I ended up, I ended up, um, going over to the guys and they're like, yeah, no, it's announced. Let's say, you know, I was like, Oh, let's have a look. And so we ended up pulling out the license that was in there.
And the guy's name was there. And one of the guys was like, Oh, it's just this street right next to the park. And so then there's a bit of banter about, Oh, is it cash in there? And I say, the graph I saw
Josh Janssen: [00:09:45] you didn't pick it up. You say that
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:47] fucking fight, escape his
Josh Janssen: [00:09:48] dog.
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:50] Anyway, like I opened it up and sure enough, it was like, Fifties twenties.
It was cashed up
Josh Janssen: [00:09:57] well,
Tommy Jackett: [00:09:58] and I put it in my pocket and I walked home and now I'm not, no, I didn't.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:02] I was like, I was a little bit nervous. Like I'm excited where this is going because we're, it sounded like it was going it's like I found a bunch of cash in a wallet and find his capers. What would you do?
What would you do exactly what you're doing? I think this is crazy.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:15] So I took it to this house.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:18] I walked over and you'd want to do it. Like you don't want to give it to the cups cause you want the, you want the praise you want just, you don't want to let go. You don't want to reward or anything, but you just want to be like, man, that's you are a top blog.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:30] I just think how annoying it is. If I've ever lost something or it's just, it is the most frustrating thing. Canceling your card.
Josh Janssen: [00:10:38] Hopefully they hadn't already canceled. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:10:41] Well, I got to this house too. It was like two townhouses and the guy comes out of one and he's doing the bins. He's doing his, you know, putting out his, um, he's recycling.
I said, man, is this 27? And he said, yeah, yeah. I said, Oh, is blah, blah, blah. Does he live here? And he's like, Oh yeah, he's inside. Like he was a bit rattled vital. Cause it's like some random bloke in a mask. And then I was like, mate, I've found his phone and cards and cash. These are mice. Bloody hell. You're a good bloke mate.
Hang on. Hold on. He's fucking emptying the bins. No, you got to come in here. If he fucking doesn't give you something for this. I'm going to be fantastic.
Josh Janssen: [00:11:20] Fucking COVID I'm pissed off. I've got to shake your hand. I'm sorry. I have to say no. I respect
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:28] that. He went out and I was like, Oh my God, he's going to shake my hand.
He knuckled me. He just creased pumped me. Lovely. All the dude. And then he brought me inside and he's yelling out to this guy. Let's call him John. He's like John, John Tom's here. Tom's here. You don't know, Tom, Tom knows you. This guy's looking so confused. He's like, what's going on? And he's like, Tom has found your phone and wallet.
And he said, Oh,
Josh Janssen: [00:11:57] Oh my God
Tommy Jackett: [00:11:59] turned out. His dog had an epileptic fit the park and he must've liked lent down. So out of his pocket, ran, ran home with the
Josh Janssen: [00:12:09] poor dog,
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:11] the dog survived. John's got his wallet back. And John, I stayed there for 10 minutes having a chat,
Josh Janssen: [00:12:18] talking about business or something, or what you
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:21] offered me a glass of red wine.
I said, sorry, that I'm trying to cut back. And he said, yeah, I should too.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:26] Was Amy messaging you at this point might work? Nah,
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:30] I mean, it was fine. I mean, I moved with Bodie and so, I mean, she was happy when I came home. With a pineapple.
Josh Janssen: [00:12:39] This John has
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:40] said to me,
Josh Janssen: [00:12:42] there's a $50 note. That's equal playing at home.
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:45] I said, I look, I said, no, I don't want no nothing. Don't like, I just know how to annoying you. These
Josh Janssen: [00:12:50] guys. Hi. Oops. Just flicking as it as it's going into your pocket, where is it gone then?
Tommy Jackett: [00:12:59] And so no, he was insistent and I was no, no, please, please, please. You know, I told him that I had a young son he's like for your family, for you,
Josh Janssen: [00:13:07] just for the, well, she's
Tommy Jackett: [00:13:08] get some more shit.
And I was like, mate, that's nice. And so I made 50 bucks last night. He's he's this though, these young guys said to me said, Oh, if they give you something, make sure you, Chuck is half guys from the park. And I was like, I thought about it after I was like, Those little, those little rats saw it there. They just started not to touch it, not to do anything with it.
And then they want half of my hard earned cash money. Absolutely. Nice. Sorry. I got, I left the house and I saw them sort of loitering and one of them yelled out to me. He's like, Yeah, Ron's already over. I was like, I just kept walking.
Josh Janssen: [00:13:50] I was like, man, you know what? You should have said, you should just, um, a power move would have been to hand them the 50 bucks and say, guys, this is for you.
He gave me 10 grand.
Oh,
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:06] that's a great one. It pays to be nice. And that's what they'll say, like, ah, fuck. It's so nice that this good people, I thought there was, there's no other option in my mind.
Josh Janssen: [00:14:15] I would have been there. So yeah. It's interesting going into people, calls, homes like that. Like the last time I, yeah, it reminds me, it reminds me of when I was, um, when I saw the car crash yeah.
In Rome. And, um, remember I got video of it and like of the car speeding off. And then I got, uh, before, you know, it I'm in this, I think is a house and it was because it was right next to the Vatican. It was a Christian. Radio station. And I was giving them the farm and they gave me a tour of their radio station.
Tommy Jackett: [00:14:50] That's right. You get a photo with the lovely bloke. So you giving them the footage is like, you know, handing in. I was like, meet your outlet.
Josh Janssen: [00:14:58] Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They were going to run it now, but I was cause I was like, okay, I've got this footage. I mean a foreign country. I don't know what to do with this sort of thing.
And they were calling the police, but there is something funny about. The w when you're on a straight normally, and then all of a sudden you find yourself in someone's house. Yeah. It's sort of a weird, weird feeling.
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:21] I mean, it all felt natural, but I guess that's what happens also. If you're going in next minute, I'm mocked in a basement, I guess it's like all color.
It it'll just happen. The guy was, it it'll seem kind of friendly, you know, come in, come in.
Josh Janssen: [00:15:35] What time do you pay? What time did he use epileptic fit of the dog happened?
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:41] I think it was like a couple of hours before. And the car
Josh Janssen: [00:15:44] he hadn't eaten even thought you didn't think to go. Nah. Cause he was just rattled.
Was he really upset about the dog
Tommy Jackett: [00:15:51] now? The dog was fine. Ran over to me. Good eye. And he's like, Oh, it's just, it's having epileptic fits. We don't, we're trying to work out what's going on with
Josh Janssen: [00:15:58] it. Yeah. Wouldn't you think wouldn't you think that the first thing you would do. Is DaVita where you bent down to like help the dog or like where you were,
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:09] if you realize that you would eat, you'd even lost it.
Oh, so he didn't even know.
Josh Janssen: [00:16:13] No, he didn't even get the joy of the panic of our fucking lost. It.
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:18] Hadn't thought about it. I'm sure he probably would attract these steps.
Josh Janssen: [00:16:22] Was it an iPhone or what sort of phone
Tommy Jackett: [00:16:24] phone yet? I find probably eight or something like an old, quite an older version, but I mean, the cash was in there.
The cash was in there. The cards were in there. It was, it was bizarre. I mean, he's one thing I'm glad I didn't actually mention it. Cause I thought about it after the fact I, I held them, got Siri and I said, call home. I've done this a couple of times when I found a phone, it's a good go to yeah. And only what came up was mum home.
And I pressed mum home. I was like, that seems like a goer and. Doodoodoo is far, you know, this number's not connected.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:01] So I was like, yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:03] Then I met him and I was like, he's an older dude. Maybe mom's not around anymore.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:07] And I knew
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:08] I was going to bring it up, but I'm glad.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:09] I'm glad. Can you pick your moment?
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:12] I wouldn't have got my 50 anyway. It's um, you know, at least someone's making money from this bloody steps challenge.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:19] Yeah. That's great. That's a great story. It's very good. And it's also like, I feel like. Everything at the moment has that lens of like, we'll look back. It's like, yeah, 20, 21 a year. Well, I remember like this is going to be a good story to tell the grandkids
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:34] such a good story.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:35] What are you going to use? The $50? Like he gonna do something specific with the 50 bucks?
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:40] Oh yeah. It's my mom's birthday. So I'm going to,
Josh Janssen: [00:17:42] Oh, okay. Are you going to grab, I mean, we're just going to give her the fitty.
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:47] No, she's giving me me enough cash in my life at the time to pay it back.
Josh Janssen: [00:17:51] You see you
Tommy Jackett: [00:17:52] get flowers, flowers.
Nice kiss. Um, that's about it, right? I mean, 50 bucks doesn't go far these days. I didn't think.
Josh Janssen: [00:18:04] Okay. What am I going to fucking buy 50 bucks,
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:06] John. John, you're fine. I just needed one 50. At least now I literally was walking past the pizza shop and I was like, maybe I can go in there and just say here's the 50 out, like as a.
Upfront for when I come in next time. But that was like,
Josh Janssen: [00:18:22] Oh, that's a fun. Yeah. I like the,
Tommy Jackett: [00:18:25] I just found it upfront. Like you guys, you know, put it, you know, give the guy knows me. He's the thing I I've taught. I'm so impressed by people that remember names like at scale, like pizza shop people, cafe owners just.
I don't know how they, I say at once or I reckon this guy even overheard me talking to each staff member. I walked past the pizza shop last night, Tom. Okay. This is the best
Josh Janssen: [00:18:57] it is. It is. It is nice. I don't really, I don't have that, but I pushed back on the, um, that experience, right? Like as soon as we've said this before, as soon as the barista lens, my name.
Yeah, it becomes an issue
Tommy Jackett: [00:19:11] it's a, as a CIA operation,
Josh Janssen: [00:19:14] even sort of say like, it's so unfair. Cause I'll say like, you know, we've got the, there's a, there's another cafe, that's got a new owner and I'm like, ah, it'd be nice to, um, say hello or like support them or whatever, being new. And so I said, Bri, can you go?
And like, she's like the liaison officer for the household. Yeah. Um, because the thing I know that she has better banter than what I have. I just don't, I just don't play well in that sort of, um, that style, if that makes sense. Cause I, I feel like I'd freak them out because I would just go. I just want to keep talking the, um, I was, uh, uh, speaking to scooter on the phone the other day.
Yeah. And, um, I just had told Brie I'm like, I don't feel like leaving the house today. Let's just chill or whatever. Um, anyway, scooter Coles is like, ah, man. Yeah, just walking around Collingwood, what are you, what are you up to? And it's like, clear that, you know, is he's asking if I want to go. I was like, ah, Oh, I've just said no to brace.
I'll look like a prick. If I had Dennis, I would just, I've got to stay here. Yeah. Okay, cool. So we're having this conversation and as he's having this real weird sort of reverb thing happening with his phone, so almost like an echo. Yeah. And I might. I look out the window. He's standing out the front. He, when he called me, he was out the front of my place and he was just leaning up against a giveaway sign, having this full combo.
I said, ask her to, I can come down. I'll just come down for a quick walk. I could actually hear him from the street talking. Yeah. Yes.
Tommy Jackett: [00:20:57] Yeah. I mean, I've done that. I've done that. Like I made them in the neighborhood, I at the fucking front of the house, but you don't say it because he's just like, if it doesn't use, seem to cane and so he got done, but I tell you what a scooter is, byproduct of the opposite of that approach that you, you feel that you, you take.
Cause I walked into scooters, repair shop. Hi, my just, you know, full. I find it easier when I know years ago. Like when I'm. Yeah, like when I was in Bondai, like I felt like it was don't know anyone don't really care. No one knows who I am. And so if I just kind of lead with hi, I'm new. Hey, how are you? Like Skoda was the version of.
Just moved in down there. Like I had no clue, no idea that he was best friends with the guy who owns who I was leasing my studio off. And next minute we're in Eastern. I can his dyno room testing at my electric skateboard. So it's like, I appreciate the weed situations that I've been in that approach.
Yeah. Like being in someone's house or, you know, next minute. It's like, I kind of appreciate, so I get that. It can be weird what I'm actually doing,
Josh Janssen: [00:22:11] but Seroquel for this moment. I always, I always end up loving them, but I think that that normally happens overseas that normally happens when I'm sort of the international guy and then you get brought in and things happen.
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:26] Yeah. It's definitely easier. Isn't it? It's like. And so what is it, what is the difference at home? Do you think?
Josh Janssen: [00:22:34] Um, I don't know. I think like it don't you think that when you travel, you are just more open, so it's like, you know, when you're at a, you know, you're in inline at a cafe Starbucks or whatever, you'll be like, ah, you'll, you'll sort of be turning around almost ready for banter and then you get home and it lasts a day.
You say, hello to one person on the street and then next minute you're like, fuck off. Well, get out of my way.
Tommy Jackett: [00:22:59] Do you think I was just thinking, so when I travel I'm on, it's like I'm on fucking red Cordy or in terms of trying to connect dots of individuals. So I'm looking around like, I'm actually, you know, maybe when I'm out, I'm like fucking looking to I'm eyeballing people and their eyeballs, like, and so if I could make a connection with some of them and that's how I ended up.
Spotting someone in Sydney. When I went up to, when I used to go to visit Amy, when we were living in separate States, she was like, you know, this guy's coming from Melbourne Shepparton. And then I'm like, yeah, I know a few people in Sydney and next, next minute, we're fucking bumping into a bunch of people.
Oh, Hey. She's like, what the fuck? But I think, I, I think I actually, I think I look to find that stuff, like I'm always looking, but kind the person that spots a celebrity,
Josh Janssen: [00:23:48] like yeah, yeah, definitely. I've bumped into more people when overseas. Like, you're not even joking. Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:23:59] You're, you're looking the filters on.
Okay. Different environment. Let's see if there's any sort of recognizable faces or places
Josh Janssen: [00:24:07] we're in West Hollywood, Joshua Fields, Millburn from the minimus the first, the first time Brie and I are just walking to, um, Uh, w where we're walking to, what's the, um, whole foods. Yeah. Walking to whole foods and we're just walking and we just, uh, bump into Josh.
And then, you know, two years later, or sorry, two years or a year later, year and a half. Yeah, it was the lighter, um, Uh, he bumped into us out of the front of our Airbnb.
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:40] I was, I was packing. I went out to pack the car. I'm like, Oh my God, that's Joshua Fields, Millburn walking towards us. And then I came in and got you.
You're pantless and we got a great photo out of it. It was one of the best photos of our trip.
Josh Janssen: [00:24:53] Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:24:54] Minimal pants,
Josh Janssen: [00:24:56] but that there is something good about that. Like from a conference perspective, There is something about leaning into, I'm going to see Pitt, this is sort of my world, or like, there's going to be, I'm just going to lean into it.
Like when I went to South by, it was like, you know, catching up with people who can we see? You know, like you sort of, yeah. It's this time where it's like, ah, I can, everyone's feeling the same way. If that makes sense.
Tommy Jackett: [00:25:23] Yeah. What about when you bumped into that guy? On the bridge? In the CBS? Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:25:29] Yeah. Uh, Matt melon WEG from, from WordPress.
Yeah. I mean, that was, that was an interesting one. We were, um, uh, he was, so he, he was the co-creator of WordPress. He was like the, um, the founder and, uh, he was meeting up. Ashley. And Varto with Colace. Who's the founder of co founder of Invitae and I was going to hang around. I want to hang around in the office.
Um, so I could say good day and, um, I just run out half time. I'm like, ah, fuck this. I've got, I've got to go. And so I was walking, I was actually going to make key gigs, uh, and Bryony, uh, from Fox. Uh, cause I, I guess, um, it's been like a year and a half or whatever, and they were working on some exciting stuff.
And so I was walking across the bridge from the city going towards South Melbourne and I saw Matt Mullenweg and I stopped him and I said, Oh, Hey, Hey man, are you going to invite? Oh, is that, yeah, my God just go this way and then turn right. And he's like, Oh, thanks so much. And I kept walking, had my, a meeting in South Melbourne, walked back.
And when I arrived back at him, Varto Collis and Matt were, I'm standing out the front of the, um, of the office. And call us at all. This is Josh. He's like, ah, did I just meet you earlier? I was like, yeah, yeah, we're just across the bridge. It's like, Oh yeah, it made me feel like a rockstar. And he said, he going to the event, there was a, there was a talk on a WordPress meetup.
And um, he said, Oh, are you going? I said, Oh, I didn't get tickets because I've just been overseas. He's like, I would just say, um, uh, just say my name at the door. And so it was very funny because I'm mates with all the, or a bunch of the Melbourne WordPress people. Yeah. Um, and so I had just rocked up and I was like, Hey, like it was my, my mate, um, Aaron I think at the door.
I was like, Oh, Matt Mullenweg just said to say his name. You got to take it though. I met like, he's he said to do it, like, they're not fucking happy about it. Like Josh Yami, people being waiting for tickets. And, um, but I wanted to get him on my podcast. Josh speaking, this is back in 2013. And so I, uh, uh, thought, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to ask a question.
And so I was thinking about like, you know, at the end of the, like, once you've done the talk and it's Q and a, I'll think of a good question to ask that, that he likes and gets it. Good answer. So I put up my hand and, uh, you said. Uh, before I answer, have you, if you got tickets to be here, which I thought was funny jokes and then, uh, cause it's so in though.
Yeah. So it's so
Tommy Jackett: [00:28:14] you and him get it. He got a fan of whip yet, so fucking everyone else.
Josh Janssen: [00:28:18] Exactly. And so then. Uh, everyone had swore like once it had all finished, he was sort of like this geek celebrity. And so everyone swarmed swarmed him after like what happens, right. It's like post post event drinks.
They've got to bang a bunch of drunk geeks. Yeah, man, what are you, what do you think the state of WordPress is that encouraged you? Right. With appreciate that it's open source, but do you think that maybe we could change the PHP to the anyway? So they're all doing that and I'm just like, fuck it. I'm going home.
I emailed him. I found his email address and said, hi, Matt, I'm the guy that, your hotel. Exactly. No. I said, I'm the guy that bumped into you, uh, on the bridge. Uh, I would love to have you on my podcast and he didn't get back to me for a couple of days. And then he was in Sydney and he said, Oh, Hey, Josh. So sorry I missed you.
I'm sure I'll be back in Melbourne. I'm off to, or Oakland tomorrow. So I won't be able to do it. And I wrote back to him and said, Oh, Hey Matt, I can meet you in Oakland. And he was like, Oh, okay. He's like my assistants details. Like, maybe see if you can organize it. And so he said, yes. And I ended up, uh, booking a flight to walk land for two days time.
So it was like on a Tuesday and I'd booked it for Thursday. And it was like an early morning. It was like one of those ones where it's like, First thing, take off, you end up arriving at like five 30 or six in the morning
Tommy Jackett: [00:29:49] in New Zealand national. Well, yeah,
Josh Janssen: [00:29:51] the international flight. Yeah. And so I, I flew to Auckland, he said, just meet me at the Sofitel.
And, um, and so I, uh, I arrived and yeah, exactly. I just hung out. I hung it like a McDonald's it was like a few hundred meters away. And then got all of my, um, got all my stuff and went to the Sofitel and said, Hey, do you have like a, a somewhere where I'd be able to record a podcast? Like, I just need some way, like the foyer, it seems like a little bit sort of full on.
They're like, Oh, you could use the library area. And so I set up in the library and the funny thing was, it was one of those moments where I was like, I was so proud of myself, but like my, uh, I remember, um, My parents, like, cause I had like, fuck all money or whatever, just use my credit card. And it was like $500 for the flight, but I like 500 box to speak and an hour with the founder of WordPress.
But I think that the real, the funny that this was a lesson you expect in my mind, I was thinking, Matt must. Really like, appreciate that I've come from Melbourne to Auckland, right? It's definitely like, he must just be blown away. And then it became very obvious, like mid way through the chat that he thought that I lived in Oakland.
He's like, surely. Yeah. It's like, yeah, well, you know, Oakland, like you live here. I was like, Oh God, I can't, I can't bring up that, um, that I've flown into an international flight
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:25] to be here. I mean, he probably would have really appreciated that he probably,
Josh Janssen: [00:31:29] maybe not. Maybe the thing is that this
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:31] is, this is the thing
Josh Janssen: [00:31:32] with, this is like a lesson.
This is a classic case of thinking that you're the pro the protagonist in this, this world, this story, you know, this whole, you know, in the world, it's like Madison came out. He's like, he's just like, this is just another chat. Um,
Tommy Jackett: [00:31:51] because I reckon he's thinking, okay, I saw her in Melbourne last week. Now he's in Oakland.
Like he's a guy that would fly. He's probably done more fucking miles than anyone like, just flying around everywhere whenever. He needs to for work. And so he's probably thinking like, that's where it's like no big deal. He must just be back in Oakland. And so you're not thinking about like, yeah, it could have rattled him hates.
And he's like, cause I know like even Joe Rogan talks about not having a high view on what he creates in life. And so when you then would place this pressure on it, that. Oh my God, what am I have to, I'm going to have to fucking shift now and deliver something Epic because this
Josh Janssen: [00:32:29] and this, the whole thing, I didn't want to set that expectation.
The thing is it's like an in and out, like, think about when we, um, when we asked, uh, Seth Goden to come on our podcast, I said to him, I'm like, Hey, we're going to be in New York. Can we do the podcast? And when he said, yes, no, that's the thing. I was like, no, TJ, we're going in New York. We're like, we've booked it in.
We weren't planning on going to New York. Um, and so what is this a business thing where you can't then say to Seth, are we, we only came to New York because we had your
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:01] chair. Yeah, I think it's, I think the story posts. It all goes well or whatever, whatever happens is, is the kicker. And for the guy that doesn't like to drop into it, new cafe that has a new RNA, like that's pretty fucking full on when
Josh Janssen: [00:33:18] you role that's the oversight.
Like if I'm overseas I'm okay. Yeah, definitely all the
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:27] Australian land it's um,
Josh Janssen: [00:33:29] it's
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:30] it's all good. Yeah, no, I love that story. I want to listen to it now. Can we put the episode in the show notes somehow? Is there a way that we can access the
Josh Janssen: [00:33:38] audio? Yeah. I wonder how we could do it. We could even put it in this feed or something.
Maybe we could do some sort of bonus series of throwing back to. To Josh speaking. I wonder what the status of the shit that
Tommy Jackett: [00:33:49] I left. Yeah. Knowing that story. Cause I knew that you'd interviewed him. I knew that story, but I didn't know the order of you bumping into him in Melbourne and then it all like it all happening after the fact.
Josh Janssen: [00:34:02] Yeah.
Tommy Jackett: [00:34:02] That's so good.
Josh Janssen: [00:34:04] Yeah. It was just a, it was a weird experience, but there's heaps of that. Like when you put yourself out there, there are so many of those. Those weird things, but it has happened when I've tried it like filming at Kona. No Brighton very quickly. One story, which I was thinking, I was telling you, um, a few weeks ago, but, um, the, the, this is a story that never really, um, it, uh, I never got to really celebrate it because it was sort of a bit harsh, harsh, but we, um, when I was working at Envato.
Uh, we, we were doing these customer story videos and a guy at Conan, the Conan O'Brien show used in Varto for all of his motion graphics. And, um, uh, he, he, I contacted him and said, could we do it? Could we do a video or NAISA. And the producer did actually. And, um, he's like, yeah, cool. Yeah, yeah, you can do it.
You just can't fill many of the, um, the cone and logos and all that. So I think anyway, We go to, uh, Burbank or wherever it was in, uh, Warner brothers, studios recorded, did it all editor that sent it to him. He said, I'm just going to get approval. And then he's like, ah, HAIs um, we can't use any of that. Like I got in a bunch of trouble, but it was just like this interesting thing where we got like, we'll filming on the set of Conan getting like all of this behind the scenes access.
I've got all this footage. I can never, never do anything with that.
Tommy Jackett: [00:35:31] I mean that's life, right? The story is, yeah. Just a bit about it. Yeah. You mentioned you wouldn't have the same feeling to it. If you just shot it released, it moves on like the friction that, that happened ends up being just this part, a real part of the story that amplifies the time that you had there.
So your memory about it is like, More precious than what the final product ended up becoming based on the way it played out.
Josh Janssen: [00:36:03] I love stories, uh, where you don't have any social media proof of it. Like what's the, what's one of the most exciting or cool things to happen that you don't have a photo of.
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:14] Yeah, true.
I mean, there's Ahmed, dirty little dirty little son of a gun for getting, getting my moment and capturing it. Yeah. But I mean, yeah. Now I've documented everything going to party invited the parties behind the scenes of places. But like, you know, things like flying up to Sydney for people don't re like the same thing.
I've done that plenty of times. I mean, Sydney. For a meeting. Yeah.
Josh Janssen: [00:36:44] But what about like moments of being in a room with someone or doing something and being like, this is a crazy, like, this is
Tommy Jackett: [00:36:52] so weird. Um, that guy I'm from, you know, butterfly song come millennia, come and later. So, I mean, he was on celebrity rehab.
After he sort of, you know, hit, hit his fame. And so I was at a nightclub once and he ended up giving me a lift home and I was with him, these partying with his mate, who was. Supposedly some sort of, you know, bad-ass gangster of LA, but he fucking loves me. He's just like fucking hugging me nonstop. And we just really bonded and we'll hanging out with that guy and they were best friends, but I was like, I got to lift home with them and I was like, this is fucking bizarre.
So listen to this guy's music when I was in grade six and now, I mean, like, I always just. Think back to the T like, imagine if you knew, if someone said in the time, it's not a big thing, but I don't have any footage. I've got a photo of me and the guys, but I don't have like the car ride and it was all just fucking bizarre.
Or
Josh Janssen: [00:37:51] was it that's right? Is that the same night that you were a Drake from Drayton? Josh
Tommy Jackett: [00:37:57] went back to his house and he gave us it. Private perf performance, you know, singing. I actually filmed it. So I've got,
Josh Janssen: [00:38:05] I've got footage of that. Actually the private thing. I remember when I was working at the radio station, a matchbox 20, we're doing a complete run-through at rod Laver arena, like with everything, with all their cameras and all that stuff.
And they invited, it was like 10 people. And so Brian and I got to go. And so we're in this arena. With 10 other people that's watching matchbox 20 doing like the full blown. Performance, like, what's his name? Rob? Rob Thomas. Rob Thomas, like just like singing to like coming down. Like it was, it was great
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:42] fun.
Yeah. That's fucking great. Um, that's life
Josh Janssen: [00:38:46] that's living baby. And now the best thing to happen. It's just, uh, just, you know, being alive.
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:54] Yeah. Just find them 50 bucks in a
Josh Janssen: [00:38:55] year, finding a wallet in 50
Tommy Jackett: [00:38:59] fucking from Hollywood to, you know,
Josh Janssen: [00:39:01] bullying. But when I can make it,
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