The Walking Year

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 873.

Tommy: Happy Monday, Gronks! What's happening? What's going on? How are we, JJ?

Josh: Uh, very good, thank you. Big day for BMC, day, uh, day one of, uh, Jess Lucas joining us full-time as general manager. Uh, yes, welcome, Jess. Thank you. She's not actually here, but she listened to the audio.

Tommy: No one's in my house. It's just me. We're in lockdown still. It should end soon, though.

Josh: How's daylight savings treating you?

Tommy: Oh, mate, I feel rough today. Just like feel good energy-wise, like good, you know, just feeling good about myself, but just rough as in yesterday, this would have been a classic line across parents. Across Victoria. And it was, mate, how good was that sleep-in? We got a good sleep-in. And then you just bank it. You just like, because you gotta bank the sleep-ins when you get them. You're just like, fuck, what amazing— Bodhi slept till 8:30. And then it hits you that it's daylight savings.

Josh: And you did like, so does that mean— so I didn't even like— all my clocks and stuff change, right? So you don't even really feel it. Bree and I heard her a girl like at 1 o'clock going, "Oh, it's daylight saving." Like just worked it out.

Tommy: Well, exactly. We went to the coffee shop and the lady told me, and then I just looked at Amy, "Oh, no." Because we thought Bodhi had a big sleep in. And so, when the kid sleeps in, everything's good. But no one slept in. We got up at 7:30. It was just 8:30, the new time, the daylight saving time.

Josh: So, this is— It always really ruins my mind. So, I'm trying to understand this.

Tommy: So, So, right now is 7:30 AM in last week's time frame.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: So, if you're feeling a bit tired, it's because it's 7:30 AM, but it's actually gone forward to 8:30 AM.

Josh: And so, when Bodhi woke up, did he wake up at 8:30 the new time?

Tommy: 8:30 the new time. Well, that's good. No, it's not, because he hadn't actually had a sleep in.

Josh: But the times change. You don't have to worry about him having a sleep in because it's done it for you. So does that have some sort of back-end result? So what's it— because doesn't this just mean every single time now, is it because it's going to be harder to get him to sleep?

Tommy: Oh, everything shifts, you know. Like, this is the thing, JJ. Like, my brother has a year-and-a-bit-old boy and he has a 12:45 strict daytime nap and it can go for 3 hours. Like, it's, it's a huge— he's a— that's a big daytime sleep. Yeah, it's a huge sleep. So 12:45, um, he needs to hit that, but 12:45 is now 1:45 the new time because 12:45 is actually 11:45. So you can't— so yesterday my brother had The kid was still fired up. They haven't changed. They don't, their iPhone, they don't own an iPhone. Their iPhone hasn't just ticked forward and it all changes.

Josh: Yeah, it doesn't automatically. So, is this good long term? Do you like daylight savings?

Tommy: I've got no problem with it. It's just the, it is just the initial, exactly, confusion, which is where you're at. And you don't know where you are right now, basically.

Josh: It is a little bit confusing, like trying to work out in my head. Am I, I'm just going to go, like I'm not trying to. Outsmart the time shift. I'm just—

Tommy: I used to, I used to have to record ads for the radio station when I was working, Shep, saying, um, don't forget to put your clocks forward, like physically telling people to do it. Like, that was only 20— 2015. But I guess, I guess there still is a bunch that you need, like the car you got to do.

Josh: Um, yeah, we had to do the oven. The oven was the big one for us. I think that was about it.

Tommy: Microwave.

Josh: I mean, that's why you need a smart oven. That's why I need the smart barbecue. Wouldn't have to set the reset the timer on that.

Tommy: Well, Traeger grill runs off your app. It runs like you can run your iPhone.

Josh: Are you watching the Traeger? The fact that you remember the name, have you been into it? Or it's—

Tommy: I mean, this is the power of podcast advertising, Josh Jansen. Yeah, it's, um, you know, I mean, they're not a sponsor.

Josh: I'd love them to be.

Tommy: That would be amazing. But you should hear the ads Joe Rogan does for them. Oh, really? He's been—

Josh: mate, he has been—

Tommy: he has been an absolute champion of that brand. He would have done— he would have done 20 million in sales for them, seriously.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Tommy: He talks about just the chips, you know, the sawdust chips that you put in there, and they you have hickory smoked— oh, I mean, I could do his live read, but as I'm, as I'm listening to it, I'm just like, I want to cook something. I don't even hunt. I don't want to start hunting. I need more meat. I don't need more meat, but I will. Anyway, I've been, um, today, this week, I just looked at the forecast and pretty rainy in Melbourne, which coincides with the second— well, fifth day into our walking challenge. Problems. Yeah, I mean, how are you going with the, the steps?

Josh: Because I don't— I've still need to connect to the step thing that Jess set up, which is like the whole charity bit to it. So I'm just using health. Yes. And I, I have, um, because Jess has an Apple Watch, uh, we're competing on like our activity rings, so I've got that set up.

Tommy: Great. But does that actually get you to steps? Is that—

Josh: I don't know. I can see, yeah. So, it's like a percentage thing. It's a little bit annoying, but I can click through and see that Jess has done 570 steps today.

Tommy: What's more annoying, the Apple Watch telling you to breathe or your mum telling you to breathe when you were a teenager? Just breathe, Josh. Just take some deep breaths.

Josh: I don't think Mum ever did. I mean, Mum would never do that.

Tommy: That was my mum, yogi. Thicks in, thicks out.

Josh: Yeah, what would Mum say? Have a piece of fruit would be my mum's breathe. Have a piece of fruit. Um, yeah, no, so, but I smashed it, uh, the last 2 days. Good work in steps. So, uh, I'll just tell you how many steps. Do you want to tell me first how many steps did you do on Saturday?

Tommy: Well, I can tell you what I did on Saturday. Yeah, but I'll tell you, I think it needs more sort of clarification. 11,347.

Josh: Fuck, asking you how many steps you did is like, uh, asking Trump's doctor whether he had oxygen or not. I could tell you that, not right now.

Tommy: I need to tell you something first.

Josh: So what, how many did you say you did?

Tommy: 11,347.

Josh: Okay, yep. And then Sunday?

Tommy: Um, 19,168.

Josh: 19,000? Yeah. Oh, that's good.

Tommy: But so this— I, I didn't— don't say that to impress you because that took me 3 and a half hours. And to be fair, I was not trying. I wanted to get out of the house and I had— and next minute I've been gone for 3 and a half hours. The police have been called.

Josh: Amy's tracking me on my fucking You know, how long did you say you were going to be going for?

Tommy: I just said I'm going for a walk, I need to get about 14,000 steps. Next minute I've, um, I think I'm Levison and I'm fucking exploring the wilderness.

Josh: I get it.

Tommy: I stopped, I stopped twice for a little lie down. Whereabouts? Just on the grass, just on the grass. I was just like along the freeway in the golf course. This was, um, 2 PM till whatever 3 and a half hours is.

Josh: Okay, after that. Yeah.

Tommy: Um, saw some kangaroos, saw a lot of things. I am, yeah, I'm basically David Attenborough.

Josh: That's huge.

Tommy: I mean, I don't know how much, but let me tell you, so this is— well, let me tell you, I don't, I don't see that as consistent for me whatsoever. I have gone back because we're 5 days into the year, sorry, into the October month, into the year. I start my month when I start my walk.

Josh: My walking year.

Tommy: I— what I've done, I have calculated because I, I fucked up on, on Friday. I only did 2,100 steps. And so what I've done is I've got myself to an average of just over 10,000 per day, which is what I'm doing, 10,000 per day. So I'm at the average, I'm over it, 42,000 right now. And so today if I get 10,000, I'll be at 52,000. So all I'm trying to do is if I missed one day. I just got to make it up, and I don't want to have to do that 3.5-hour walk again whatsoever. But what did you do?

Josh: How have you— uh, so I did, uh, on Saturday I did 18,735 steps, and then Sunday— hang on, give me a sec— only 15,372. But so I need to be getting— if I get that around the 18,000 mark a day, I'll be good. Um, yeah.

Tommy: How long did it take on Saturday? Because you hit that.

Josh: What's the time? Like, you don't really feel it. Like, I mean, you feel like you're all right, you just go for a little— you just go for a little walk and then before you know it, you've done billions of steps.

Tommy: No, but it is a Saturday though, it's the weekend. There's something cruisy about the week, so the thing is, restraints.

Josh: Yeah, so the thing that's going to playing to my favour is it's you have to take Bodhi into daycare, you have to, you know, bath him in the evening, like that is prime walking time. And so, I like, you've got a smaller, you're trying to get 300,000 steps, I'm trying to get 500,000. I think it's a good handicap system based on the extra time that I have.

Tommy: I like that.

Josh: Podcasts, audiobooks, phone calls.

Tommy: Are you on average to— for the month, for the month of October yet? Have you looked at it?

Josh: Uh, no, I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be because if we're— I would need to, um, I would need to do a few more 18,000 days to get there because it used to be I would have to do 16,500. But it's like, you can see the pat— you can see the little bits where you're starting to get sore. I think the key is breaking them up into 2 sessions, one in the morning, one in the evening, and that's fine. Doing the whole, like Briana and I did the whole, you know, 15,000 or whatever in one go yesterday.

Tommy: It's a big challenge, isn't it? You know, like I got home and I needed snacks.

Josh: Yeah. Well, I just needed, like, I had a cold shower. It felt so good. I'd say yesterday I had some chafing issues.

Tommy: Oh dude, me too. Me too.

Josh: Yeah, it was a nightmare. And so like, that's, if you got rid of chafing and you got rid of the, I mean, the reason this is so fucked, the annoying thing about the chafing is it was 'cause I was being self-conscious and I put my undies band sort of just like above my gut so I didn't feel so.

Tommy: Oh yeah. So sad. I like the feeling of that.

Josh: I like that. Like it feels like you're sort of safe, right? It's like your belt. Maybe I need some sort of chastity belt that I can wear.

Tommy: No, you just need Lululemons.

Josh: Yeah, but I, um, but the problem was by pulling them up higher, I all of a sudden the chafe factor increased, whereas if I'd kept them, uh, my normal sort of where I keep them, they're fine. And so I should have wanted Jason. Yeah, I know, I know. I don't know if a G-string wouldn't help with Well, pulling them up, you know, well, I had a real thick band.

Tommy: It might make you feel sexy.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, that's true. Go the opposite way, a bit curvy, a bit— not— yeah, just pull it in where it needs to. Um, and so anyway, uh, I probably— so yeah, chafing. But I'm not the guy— I'm— I refuse to buy any product for chafing. I'm not putting on any chafing gel. I'm not like— I refuse to do that.

Tommy: Well, I suffered the same. I had a blister. That was the shoes that I wore on the— I did 11,000 on one of the— on Saturday.

Josh: That's good.

Tommy: And I learned that the shoes that I was wearing with the socks that I was in, no go. So I upgraded. Blister still there, but no, it's not bad. I did have the chafing though. The thing is, it's— you need like bike shorts. I think that's going to stop it, getting some sort of bike shorts.

Josh: Well, my undies are almost like that. Like, I've got like the Reebok or the Calvin Klein where it's the, um, they're like briefs.

Tommy: I know, I know, I've got those too, but they're not, they're not made for the adventure.

Josh: But mine's like a sports material.

Tommy: I literally was wearing those same yesterday. Okay. And the, it's, no, the skin type, like if you were wearing skins, it probably wouldn't happen. You think about what how compressed— the compression it's got. It's got all of it. Hey, just one thing before we sort of move on from the walk chat. Um, 31st of October, uh, falls on a Saturday, and that is the day before 97's birthday. But it's also the last day of our Step Challenge.

Josh: Great.

Tommy: Is there a walking party?

Josh: Oh yeah, I like that.

Tommy: Is there A— he doesn't drink. Like, is there a— not a pub cruise, but like the restrictions should be stopped. We should be able to walk in group, in like with a few people, or we could even just socially distance and go on a big trek, get like 40Ks in that day.

Josh: Oh, that's fun.

Tommy: Thousands of steps.

Josh: Like thousands. Yeah, I love that. Yep.

Tommy: Get real far, get picked up the other side.

Josh: Like there's something about— So, Sev's— do we meet Sev somewhere and then he starts the walk? Yeah, could he? I mean, if we're allowed to, it'd be great to do some sort of, um, they would be able to do the show walking.

Tommy: That would be fun, do the show walking. They could, I mean, depending on the situation in Victoria, people, you know, you could, there could be a few people just like, basically what I'm wanting is people holding out snakes for us, lolly snakes.

Josh: Well, I don't know if you can do that in 2020.

Tommy: True, true.

Josh: I mean, they could just give us the whole package. Yeah. Or like Killer Python in the single sort of, yeah, plastic sort of thing.

Tommy: Do you remember all those single things from 7-Eleven? Do you like, do you have nostalgic memories of 7-Eleven specifically?

Josh: No, no. So, 7-Eleven for me was something that was for the inner city or the city. Like we didn't have a 7-Eleven like now. I think Mobil was replaced, all the Mobil service stations have been replaced by 7-Eleven, but—

Tommy: A bunch of them.

Josh: 7-Eleven was sort of like Krispy Kreme's in the sense of like Americana, like if, oh, it's like Carl's Jr. or something, right? Like, oh, it's pretty trendy. It's pretty cool. You see it in the movies.

Tommy: Yeah, well, I had one near me. It's the phone number that you call me on, thanks to 7-Eleven's prepaid mobile.

Josh: Oh, that's cool.

Tommy: It was Optus, but I went, that's where I rode my bike down when I was, in year 6 to get my prepaid SIM. Um, could you edit yourself?

Josh: Did you do it on your own?

Tommy: Yes, that's good. Well, because you just, you got to activate it all. It seems bizarre. Can you buy— could a 12-year-old buy a SIM pack now? I don't know the law around it.

Josh: I mean, a lot of like when you're overseas, you're always having to give your passports in and things like that when you're wanting a phone number. But yeah, I'm not sure.

Tommy: Oh, like, oh, at the, at the, like, um, in America at the store? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You always got to know, got to know where it's coming from. Yeah, very nostalgic for me, 7-Eleven.

Josh: What would you get? What sort of food?

Tommy: Oh, Big Bosses. Big Bosses, um, the killer pythons, the long ones. Um, you know, we had a Doritos scam going once where you could, um They— the pack— this is— oh, oh, we also had a Mars bar scam going.

Josh: Yes, the Mars— so, the Mars bar—

Tommy: Remember the Mars bar scam?

Josh: So, Dandenong Basketball Stadium, I reckon their canteen nearly went broke with the amount of Mars bars. And so, I thought it was like winning because like on basketball, like on the school holiday camps, I had, I would like to say, 6 wins in a row. And they're big fucking Mars bars.

Tommy: Tell us what hap—

Josh: What was it? So, it was a— You would open it up. It felt like gambling, like it really got me fired up. Like it worked so well because I bought Mars bars with the idea that I could double it. And you would open it up and you would see like a one free Mars bar or like, yeah, better luck next time. And I don't know whether this was by design or what, but I reckon Yeah, there was a time where I got like 5 in a row and I just thought like it was the funniest shit ever going up to the canteen like, "Got another one." And like I was pretty sure that she thought that I was like had some sort of scam going on. Yeah.

Tommy: Well, we had a scam going on. You could roll, you could roll the wrapper slightly without opening it, hold it up in the light and see which one was actually a winning bar.

Josh: So, how would you? How would you do that? So you're in the shop?

Tommy: Yeah, because it's a bit— it was a big store and they weren't at the front. This was like aisles, maybe two aisles, small-ish, smallish 7-Eleven. Walk to the back, grab it, hold it up. They didn't know what was going on. I didn't know what was happening. Yeah, and then there was— would they? Then there was another scam going on, which, um, this was grade 5. Oh, I'm getting nostalgic. I remember Doritos had these, these chips in them. Not, uh, not the actual chip, like Tarzos. Yeah, it's like a Tarzo, and then there was like a piece of paper on there, um, and there was like some scratchy thing to get. It was gambling for chips.

Josh: Yeah. And so I do remember the scratchies that we got in the Doritos.

Tommy: Yeah, dude.

Josh: And can they not do them anymore? Because I feel like it's been so long that I've bought food for the, for the aim of winning something.

Tommy: Maybe you can't anymore. Anyway, these kids learned how to forge them, like legit forge the Doritos. So the only person going sort of going under was the actual, um, Canteen, because you got to think about it, they would send them back to the supplier. Maybe this is the issue, because when you get given— say you buy a box of bars and then you're having half the bars won somehow, you're probably sending the wrapper or giving it back to the distributor, distribution centre to get those bars returned to you so you can sell them again.

Josh: Surely, surely it's— they already know based on every box.

Tommy: Nah, nah, no way.

Josh: How many there's going to be?

Tommy: Oh, that's a good point. So you go— so then a box has 4 in it. And so we're gonna give you a discount of 4 because you're gonna have 4 loose. But what about this? What about if I'm a gronk who just so happened to be in another suburb and I had 6 free bar things and I went in and I said, mate, I've got 6 free bars.

Josh: I'm actually tempted. Should we try and call my mate Chris? Actually, I won't, just in case he's lost his job at Mars or something in this tough time. I was gonna say, It'd be great to call Chris, uh, who works in sales at Mars, and say, what are you looking at?

Tommy: Oh, did you hear about the Disney, the mass exodus?

Josh: Isn't it a fact that that's a consideration now? It's like, oh shit, like recession.

Tommy: Yeah, they, they like, um, 28,000 workers lost their job due to the pandemic at Disney. That's us. That is so many people.

Josh: Wow, it's not ideal. And yeah, just before we started recording, um, New York— the New York mayor is considering closing down 19 neighbourhoods to avoid a second wave, which is crazy.

Tommy: So outside of the island, over in Brooklyn, I mean, very congected. Yeah, Queens, it's— I mean, that look, it's sad. I've seen a bunch of people move out of there just on social media, seeing them get out It's full on. I mean, in Australia it's pretty like very low at the moment, very low. And so come the end of the month, hopefully we're back open. Like I saw music festivals going on up in Darwin.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: Like, yeah, like this week, last week I saw an artist, Illy, post a thing. It was like wild, so many people, hundreds and hundreds of people.

Josh: So are they doing social distancing in the other states? So, if you're in WA right now, are they still not hugging and kissing and stuff?

Tommy: That's a good point. Yeah.

Josh: So, shaking hands?

Tommy: Yeah. Is that back in? If Paulina's listening, we know she's from WA.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: What's going on? Yeah. So, you're— So, you'd think, I mean, so masks aren't mandatory in somewhere like Sydney. This is what I do know. And you do see people very sort of close. But you're right, has the handshake and kiss and the hug, has that, is that coming back? Because I feel in Victoria it's going to be a little while.

Josh: Yeah, definitely.

Tommy: Before, I'm talking randoms, like, oh, oh yeah, I'd be happy.

Josh: You'll kill your parents with a COVID kiss, but just not a random. I get it. The, we started watching The Last Dance over the weekend. Yeah, it's great. I think it's very good. The phenomenal— what I love about it specifically, so this is the Michael Jordan documentary.

Tommy: Oh mate, if you don't know, this is— Josh, it was a long time ago, everyone's watched it. You're the last man on earth. Well, I had to watch that.

Josh: I had pushback on it. I had pushback on it because I think probably 3 or 4 different people in different groups were like you have qualities of Michael Jordan, which feels so obnoxious. Like there's something so obnoxious. It's the same thing when people will compare you to different things. I just don't like any sort of comparison because it feels like you're being a bit of a tryhard, especially to that fucking loser. No, no, no, no. But no, but also it's like, it's as if those qualities are the things that— he was also just a really fucking talented basketballer. You know what I mean? Yeah, of course. The best. But what I loved about it was the footage from the '90s. They had a crew that had unprecedented access to the Chicago Bulls, and it's just phenomenal. There's something so cool about watching. This was definitely like, you know, recorded, like filmed in 35mm film. And it's just— and you are seeing the sort of media scrums where they've all got their sort of, you know, standard cameras. And the wide shots where you're seeing them with all this old tech and all this sort of shit, but it looks beautiful and it sounds great. Like, the production value is extraordinary.

Tommy: Yeah, I think— do you think Michael paid, or whoever did, was paying somebody to like, let's follow this guy? Let's follow this guy.

Josh: Uh, so I think it— no, so it was— I think it must have been a, um, Chicago Bulls thing.

Tommy: Yeah, I got the vibe that like, because he was out of there, because he left as well. Like, he went to— he went to play. I reckon I'm only surprised if he funded it. I wouldn't be surprised if MJ funded it, was like, mate, get these cameras. Like the Jonas Brothers documentary I was telling you about, the amount of footage they have of the— like the moments where they really popped. Like, it makes sense these days to just hit action, just have a bit of cash. You just pay some sort of D-Rock to follow you around.

Josh: But it is good. Like, you do feel like you're, you know, you feel bad for Scottie Pippen. You're thinking, man, why don't they just pay him more? Oh, what did you, what did you think? All of that.

Tommy: It's a bit—

Josh: Dennis Rodman, just a Bit fucking whack.

Tommy: He's great though. He's just a— you see, if that guy didn't have basketball, yeah, he would have gone off, gone off the cliff.

Josh: Did you see that? So Bree does the— you would do, you definitely do this. It's like checking their net worth now.

Tommy: Yeah, Scotty's doing all right.

Josh: Scotty's got $20 mil, but he had like $100, like, because Bree, one of those things when we're watching a doco, she'll look ahead and see what ends up happening, and he ended up getting a nice payday. But Dennis Rodman, do you know what his net worth is now?

Tommy: It'd be $300,000. He's got a lot of money, doesn't he? Or has he fucking cooked it?

Josh: Bree said that he had $500,000. Maybe she's fucked it. Maybe she meant—

Tommy: is it the case? Dennis Rodman net worth $500,000. I don't know that. I mean, this is— I heard You know, I'm, I'm, um, I'm the net worth guy. Yeah, I love looking at this shit too. I was watching, uh, Lil Wayne, the rapper.

Josh: Lil, Lil Wayne, not little.

Tommy: He, he was talking about the net worth thing. Yeah, he's like laughing about it.

Josh: But even if it's like— so the thing is, I guess where a lot of those net worth things come from is they'll take the, the value of the company that you're you know, part of or whatever, or that you have some ownership. They do all this, you know, fancy stuff in the back end. But the fact that it's saying 500,000 would say, does he, does he own a home? I know, I know, but like, oh, but he's had a great life, done some really cool shit. He's mates with Kim Jong-un. I was thinking, surely Sure. And someone whose net worth is $500,000.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: How much does he cost? How much would we have to pay him to do like a guest appearance, like a appearance, like guest speaking for a big media company event? If his net worth is $500,000, hang on, surely $2K we could, we could, you know, plus sandwiches.

Tommy: We can get him for $750 on Cameo. Is doing—

Josh: he's on Cameo. Okay, but I wonder what it would look like to— so Cameo is a very low barrier to entry sort of stuff.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: What would it look like to have to just— if we want to get him on Zoom?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, you know, I put a number to it. I reckon it would be, um, 25— I reckon like 4 grand, 4 or 5 grand. You could, you could secure him for 15 minutes, I reckon. For a quick chat. If— I mean, if you've got 500 grand after playing and winning 5 NBA titles, yeah, your decision-making.

Josh: Do we know where his money went?

Tommy: Well, according to that, Coke, strippers. He only had— he only made $25 million over his whole playing career.

Josh: Only?

Tommy: Only.

Josh: I mean, this is the thing, how— what a What a situation where you, um, you like to say Scottie Pippen, we feel bad for Scottie Pippen when he was making $2 million a year type of thing. Like, it's fun, it like, it's funny how we quickly adjust to whatever the market's telling us that they're worth.

Tommy: Well, yeah, I mean, there's always going to be the people like at the top, like the Jordans. Yeah, who knows? Who fucking knows? It's a bizarre thing. Like, they're also— like, I just saw— so for instance, um, happens in music too. I just saw— do you know who Logic is? He's a rapper.

Josh: I was gonna say DJ. Okay, yeah, rapper.

Tommy: He's, um, he's awesome. He's an awesome rapper, and he posted a text thread with his mate, which, I mean, you probably— it's probably pretty, pretty out there to do this, but he probably just doesn't give a shit. Let me just read it to you. So he— I want to see if he's deleted— hasn't deleted it. So he says— it just shows a message thread with his mate. Hey Bob, his name's Bobby. Um, hey Bobby, you got a sec? And he says, I'll call you after dinner. And the guy says, okay, cool. And then Bobby says, everything okay? And then his mate says, yeah, just wondering if everything is okay because I haven't seen a penny from the album or the sessions, and that's weird, bro. And then his caption, he goes hard. I'll just read the first bit. First bit: Def Jam Records, can you please pay my friends and musicians that have made my albums great? This is ridiculous at this point. And so the record label— so he's made the money, like he's the artist at the front that's probably got the cheque for, you know, $5 million and whatever to sign for the album signing. And then he's—

Josh: people, the people who help, the engineers or the, the subbies, the people that brought it together.

Tommy: So that Pippen, who was instrumental in Jordan's success, don't get the money. Like, it's— it is a it happens across the board, any industry, it's going to happen. And so it's robbery. Like, I bet I was just— it's fucking jumping the comments, 5,000 comments.

Josh: Did they end up getting it sorted? How long ago was this?

Tommy: Oh, this was literally last night.

Josh: Oh really? Oh, this would be interesting to follow.

Tommy: So this is— I mean, I just love getting— just looking at some comments, especially ones with blue ticks. To anyone hating on this, he has obviously tried to contact them in any, every way possible, and this is the last straw effort. This is how toxic the major label community is. Watch and pay attention. Like, yeah, I mean, that is true, but maybe, maybe he hasn't. But yeah, it'd be like, imagine having a record label and that's how someone's communicating to you that, that there's an issue. It's over an Instagram post.

Josh: We hear these types of stories, so like, especially in our business where it's like we're a production company, you have a client. It's like a production company not paying the cinematographers and editors and all that sort of thing, but getting the money from the client. And then this is at a point where the contractors are going direct to the client saying, hey, what's the deal? Like, I remember, like, I've nearly had to go to that point with, um, when I was, when I was younger. People are shit operators. It's very annoying. And it makes me— but the good thing is that we went through versions of that stuff where we had middlemen that we're so sensitive now to make sure that contracted— like, that's part of the deal. Like, if you're a contractor, if you're like, you get paid— like, it's— you would hear these storeys where it's like, sorry, clients, uh, client won't pay, uh, so we can't pay you. It's like, it's a, it's a pretty hard pill to swallow.

Tommy: Yeah. Um, and the problem is when people use that excuse and it's not true because if they haven't paid, but then that should be communicated.

Josh: But even the thing, but even the thing is like, yeah, yeah, who's taking on the risk? Like, I feel that exactly if you're doing the work, uh, like I think that like if you're the production company, I feel that you should be taking the risk. I don't think that— I think that you go, uh, you know, far and beyond what you would need to do to make sure that you pay the contractors versus just being like, sorry guys, didn't get paid.

Tommy: I mean, don't take it on. And if it is and the person can accept, like the contractor could say, well, I'm willing to take the risk too. But like, if the person is trying to split the risk with the cinematographer or somebody, you know, the contractor, but it's not fair.

Josh: Really, that rarely happens though, doesn't it? Really.

Tommy: And what's the interest of the contractor wanting to take the risk there? They're just wanting to to do the job.

Josh: And also, at what point, if you aren't sure whether you're gonna get paid from the client, it's probably a sign that you should avoid them.

Tommy: I mean, I've only had one, one not pay. Others just take time. But I mean, I think that's lucky, dude.

Josh: Yeah, I've just had, I've had one where they were like pushing back on stuff and I was just like, don't bother paying but don't contact me type of thing. Yeah, yeah. Awesome, right, it's a daily talk show. Enjoy the rest of your Monday, guys, and we'll see you tomorrow. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys.