The Advice Monster

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 843.

Tommy: It's weekend banter. What's happening, Gronks? What's going on, Jessica? Lucas? Mr. Mason Lauder, how are we both?

Bodhi: Good, we're good.

Jess: What's going on?

Tommy: Well, you seem fired up. You both just had a chia pudding.

Josh: What's, what's in your chia pudding?

Jess: Just cacao and almond milk, but I do have chia seeds floating around my mouth, as you said, Tommy, but they'll go soon.

Josh: Mm-hmm.

Tommy: Mate, they're not going anywhere. They're gonna— you'll find one 6 weeks later and it will have grown a colony in your mouth. That sounds horrible.

Jess: Disgusting.

Tommy: Um, sorry, I was just texting Mum before, um, and just before we started, and Josh, you asked why. Um, it's because my mother called me yesterday and she said 'Oh darling, I've just been to the doctor.' And she said it in a happy way, not a sad way. Like, you could say, 'Darling, I've just been to the doctor,' which would make you alarmed. I was not alarmed. She sounded really happy.

Josh: So what could it be? So happy— tell me, being happy from the doctor, Sebbs, what's an example? Like, when would you— I'm pregnant.

Tommy: My mum's 70. We don't need another kid in the family. I don't want to fuck another brother.

Josh: Sebbs, is there anything that you'd be happy about? Maybe your mum's got good testosterone.

Mason: I don't know, you go in with an issue but you don't actually have anything, it's just you're all clear.

Tommy: That's true.

Josh: Jess, anything would be happy news from the doctor?

Jess: I mean, my mind went straight to like no STDs.

Tommy: Come off it, mate. Dad, what are you up to?

Josh: That's fucking horrible. And so—

Tommy: And you're a sicko, Jess. No, no, no.

Josh: STIs now anyway. Remember that transition? There was a clear transition where it's like primary school we learned STDs and then by high school we're talking STIs. I'm guessing, Mason, you just went straight to STIs.

Mason: No, we actually had a period of STDs and then, and then a couple of STIs, and then we moved to STIs. Yeah, right.

Tommy: Love it. So, um, anyway, Mum got a doctor's certificate and she said to me, she said to me, I've just been to the doctor. I've just been to the doctor and I've got a certificate to say that I can come and collect Bodhi and take him for the day. And so this is her going, she's like, I decided to go to the doctor. I don't even know how she came up with this, but you can like to get a carer certificate to then be able to look after your kids. And so she's gone and said, Tommy and Amy are struggling and we, uh, I'd love to be able to take my grandson. And so mum's Yeah, but he's going on an excursion. The first thing he woke up and said, he ran down here this morning and said, I'm so— oh no, he came— sorry, last night, so early, early in the morning, he came in and said— so I was trying to work out when it was.

Josh: Fuck, can you just give us a time?

Tommy: Okay, no, I'll reset. No, no, no, probably 4 AM he came into our bed this morning and he said, I'm so lucky I'm going to JoJo's. And then he went back to sleep. It was so cute. Anyway, so—

Josh: and so when's he going? When does Bodhi leave? When does that happen?

Tommy: Uh, in 1 hour, 1 and a half hours.

Josh: What are you gonna do?

Tommy: He's going, mate. The Bulleen FF, that's the fuckfest for people who aren't unaware of the reference.

Josh: Is it just— no, no, no.

Mason: How long is it?

Tommy: I mean, he's actually going to go for the night.

Josh: Oh, that's right.

Tommy: That's so good for you.

Josh: That's so good for you. Jess, that's such a funny, like, you know, like when people— You're so lucky. Don't care. It's like, I'm— Yeah, that is so good.

Jess: Well, the thing is, it doesn't affect us really, does it? I'm happy for Tommy.

Josh: Yeah, I know. But the thing is like that, like, that's great. You like, for you, the bit for you. I don't know. It's, it's— I get it.

Tommy: Anyway, it's, uh, that's exciting. It's all good. I'm pumped, I'm pumped. It's, it's just— I mean, it's been like 4, over 4 weeks.

Josh: Bailey's ice cream tonight? Do it, why not?

Tommy: Yeah, maybe, maybe go get a little ice cream, push it till fucking 7:55, get home, and then, um, snuggle and watch a movie.

Josh: To be honest, you know where I thought it was going? This isn't very PC, um, but You hear the storeys of, you know, people getting certificates so that they can get their disability thing at the car park thing.

Mason: Oh yeah.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: And I thought that maybe she was fucking fired up because she'd got one of them. What's Bodhi asking? What does Bodhi want?

Tommy: He's literally waiting at the door saying, Jojo.

Josh: He's ready.

Tommy: Jojo.

Josh: Can we interview Bodhi quickly?

Tommy: Would you like to speak to Josh and Jess Lucas? Come on. He always calls Jess her full name, Jess Lucas, which I appreciate. It's a real power play. Jess Lucas.

Josh: I could imagine you being a teacher, Jess.

Tommy: Here we go. Here we go. Josh wants to talk to you.

Josh: Hey, Bodhi.

Mason: Hey, monkey. Hello.

Josh: What's on for your day today? I hear that something exciting is happening.

Bodhi: What?

Josh: I hear that you're going to see someone very special. Who are you going to see?

Bodhi: I'm going to see JoJo.

Josh: Oh, that's fun. What are you going to do together? Do you know? Keep them off the headphones. They keep falling off.

Bodhi: Yeah, they keep falling off.

Josh: That's all right. What's your favourite song at the moment?

Bodhi: Um, um, Monster Truck.

Josh: Oh, you like monster trucks?

Bodhi: Yeah.

Josh: Oh, that's good. That's great. Now, um, what's been the highlight of your day?

Bodhi: It's called, um, you can crush cars, you can do bugs, you can crash, flip, you tie my pop and then do—

Josh: Did you get party Weet-Bix the other day?

Bodhi: Um, not quite.

Josh: No? What did you get?

Bodhi: I got a gift.

Josh: Whose birthday was it this week? Do you remember whose birthday it just was?

Bodhi: Daddy.

Josh: Yeah, there you go. Just processing. I get it. Well, enjoy, enjoy time with JoJo. Have fun.

Bodhi: See you, monkey.

Jess: Bye.

Josh: Don't be too good, be real. You can't say be good for JoJo because we can't— he needs to be good for you, you know.

Tommy: He's always good for you.

Josh: Be feral with JoJo and then come back and be good for you.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Give him hell. Yeah, give him hell. Um, anyway, that was the exclusive with, uh, Bodhi Jacket.

Josh: That's very exciting. Exciting for you.

Jess: That's also so sweet of your mom.

Josh: Yeah, that's, that's very sweet.

Tommy: I mean, this is what mothers do, right? Yeah, it's, um, but look, it's not about my mum because tomorrow, Sunday, it's about me again. It's Father's Day.

Josh: So, so what's going to happen there?

Tommy: Don't know. I reckon it would just be— I mean, if I was to plan it out like I wanted, it's just a nice breakfast cooked It's just more shakshuka. Shakshuka would be good. Um, I'd be happy.

Josh: The shakshuka looked great.

Tommy: I'd just be happy with bacon and eggs, to be honest, and just doing not much. Doing not much. Jess, you're in lockdown, obviously you're in Melbourne. Um, how are you? What percentage are you at? How are you feeling? 4 weeks, nearly 5 weeks in. It's hard living by yourself. I don't imagine it's pretty tough.

Josh: She doesn't see the show, so she probably doesn't understand the percentage thing.

Tommy: No, she does. She's actually— she brought that up on Too Much Telly because she's a— and she said it like it was just the brand new thing that was happening, but it's Brene Brown, 2004.

Jess: Yeah, I know, but I've only just started my obsession with her.

Josh: So just discovered Oprah as well. A bit. So yeah, what percentage are you at, Jess?

Jess: Today I would say I'm maybe like an 80.

Mason: Oh, that's good.

Tommy: Clap it, Josh. If there's a clap time, it's now.

Josh: That's huge, 80.

Jess: Yeah, I feel good.

Mason: Was it the pudding?

Jess: Ebbs and flows, you know.

Tommy: Pudding.

Josh: Was it the pudding?

Mason: Why do you say it like that?

Josh: It's funny. It's like how I put yogurt.

Jess: Just put it— is it because of, um, what's that, the, um, the one with Margot Robbie in it?

Josh: I've probably seen it. What's Margot Robbie?

Jess: The, the, um, the Wolf of Wall Street.

Bodhi: What is it called?

Jess: Once Upon a Time at Hollywood. They're all like, they're like superheroes or something.

Josh: Oh, Captain Puss.

Mason: Suicide Squad.

Jess: Suicide Squad, that's it. And that she's—

Tommy: I haven't seen it, so I just wondered if you heard. It's horrible. Yeah, I heard Suicide Squad was horrible.

Mason: It's like Justice League. Justice League was a pretty shit movie.

Josh: I mean, um, well, that's good that you're going, going so well, Jess.

Mason: The, uh, what are you guys at?

Josh: Well, uh, I think I'm at about a 70.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: What are you?

Tommy: Well, that's good because earlier in the week, Josh, you were probably at a 4.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Uh, weren't you sick?

Josh: Yeah. And to be honest, is this— I don't know if this is good or not, but I had my, uh what did he call himself? An old school, not old school, what was it? Old-fashioned, old-fashioned doctor.

Tommy: Old-fashioned GP, yeah.

Josh: And actually I need to cancel. So I've got an appointment in an hour and a half that we'd already put in the calendar in case I still wanted to go and get bloods. I feel like it's fine for me to cancel now. Like I can't be fucked going. So yeah, I'm feeling, I am feeling better. Glands are—

Tommy: Sorry, there's two things there. Can't be fucked and it's fine, two different things.

Josh: Well, I'm not fine, but I'm fine enough. Like, if you do a— if you look at the scale, you don't feel— potentially I'm getting better.

Tommy: Okay.

Josh: And so I can't be fucked.

Jess: Why don't you just go get your bloods for other things as well? Like, you could go test your cholesterol.

Josh: Yes, so it's just, Jess, I've left the house once in the past 4 weeks. Uh, the— I've already got— I've already had you know, banter or sort of awkward banter with the doctor. And I just know what it's going to be like. It was like, so Bri went to a doctor soon after, like probably before the second wave, but we just had the first wave. And Bri said, ah, you know, she was saying that she hadn't been eating that well, she hadn't been that healthy. And the lady said, why? And she said, ah, I've been ordering. She's like, why are you ordering? You can be cooking. And we don't need to be fucking lectured. So I want to be going to a fucking doctor that's going to tell me that I can't have Uber Eats.

Mason: Fuck off. You actually just need to find a good doctor.

Josh: Yeah, but I just don't like it.

Mason: They're not just—

Josh: they're not—

Mason: just get rid of your one.

Josh: Your one's awful. Yeah, I need to find—

Mason: just find— there's another bloke at the same clinic who's great. He doesn't lecture you. He's great.

Josh: I just don't need a— you know how like some doctors can fall into that sort of pit? Like, it's like 'Oh my God, you just remind me of a parent,' where it's like, I don't necessarily—

Tommy: I've hardly had that. I find that more so with dentists that tell you, 'Now you know you should be flossing.' It's like, yeah, I find that more of the pain in the bum rather than actually— I mean, if you're at the doctor—

Josh: Well, my mum works at the dentist, so it's sort of— I get— I do get that.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah. My mum even had banter with the doctor. She got the, the note off.

Jess: Really?

Tommy: And it was, um, It was about COVID stuff and it was about how, uh, how people aren't dying from COVID they're dying with COVID And so he was getting right into it about the elderly that clearly have a whole bunch of other shit going on. I was like, oh God, he's a conspiracy theorist, but thanks for the fucking doctor's note.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, as long as he gives you the note. Yeah, I mean, I'm happy with him.

Tommy: Talking about Alex Jones is a doctor now.

Josh: I was talking, I was talking to Jess, uh, yesterday on FaceTime. I had a great chat and she was going out for a walk. You got— we're going to the doctor or supermarket. Yeah. And, um, uh, walking for 5 minutes, we're having a great chat. I was a little bit jealous of you being out and about. I know I can, but I'm sort of— I'm not jealous. I don't want to go out. I just caught myself midline. I wasn't jealous.

Tommy: I'm not fucking going anywhere unless it's in an ambulance and they're taking me out in a stretcher.

Josh: I definitely am not— I don't want an ambulance. I'm definitely the guy that, um, you know, you hear this. I remember in school a teacher told a storey of like her friend whose husband fell in a shower and he smashed his— like, like, cut himself really bad. But because the friend was so sort of proper, she was trying to like dress him, like get him in— like, he's fucking bloody and all that sort of thing. And so trying to get him to not be naked for the ambos.

Tommy: Looks like a murder scene, he's in a suit. Yeah, he's in the shower.

Josh: Anyway, so I feel like, yeah, ambulance, like paramedics, fucking amazing what they do. Ideally, you don't want to have to deal with them, right? That's the aim of the game. But yeah, Jess is walking along and then she gets to, it's like a shopping precinct area. It's like you open up into like sort of, and it's just like, it brought back memories of, it has been so long since I've gone through the shopping centre doors like that. And then it occurred to me, it occurred to me that Jess was in fact not wearing a mask.

Tommy: Ah, and the whole time.

Josh: And so I said, Jess, you know when it's one of those moments where it's like, this is going to be fucked, like, yeah, this is great, it's like, oh, this is not good for you, um, but great for me, great for the show.

Tommy: Yeah, good banter.

Josh: I was just like, Jess, 'You're not wearing a mask.' And then I saw like your face. I even like, I was so fired up. I took screen grabs, but they were so horrendous that I didn't even put them into the group. 'Cause I'm like, 'Cause it's just so shook by the whole thing.

Jess: I raw-dogged it, didn't I?

Tommy: And what happened? And then what happened?

Jess: So Josh told me, and then I was like, 'Fuck, I don't have time to go buy one straight away.' So I went up, because I was going to be late for my appointment anyway. And so I went up and I had my hoodie over my mouth and I just said, I'm so sorry, do I have time to go buy a mask? And they were like, no, don't worry about it, here's a mask. And they just pulled out a ward. So it was actually, it was actually kind of great because I've been rotating the same one for a while. So it was, um, you get a fresh one.

Josh: So it's like a light blue, it's like the classic sort of low-grade medical ones.

Bodhi: Low-grade?

Mason: Yeah, well, the thing is they don't look like— I don't think they are in your face very well.

Josh: Well, yeah, ones that sort of like— but they're not like the, what, N95 or whatever they're called. They're not like the— like they're, they're designed for projectile.

Tommy: Yeah, actually, I don't know.

Josh: I get an epidemiologist or a doctor, but yesterday I would be fucking— but I have been watching all these videos on iPads Um, because I really want to get an iPad.

Tommy: Oh, sorry, you've been watching them on iPads? You've been watching them on an iPad about an iPad?

Josh: No, no, no, on the TV about the iPad. And this is slightly obnoxious, tell me how obnoxious this is, but I did say to Bree last week, I said, hey, just so you know, if you're thinking about getting me an iPad, don't, because there's a new one coming out. For my birth, like around my birthday. Yeah, it was sort of that obnoxious thing where I'd already said don't do anything big, I don't want anything, all that sort of thing. And so it's that annoying thing where she's like, well, I didn't get you an iPad, so you're okay. Um, but the reason I bring it up was because, um, I got you a Samsung tablet. No, I, um, there's a, there's a whole niche on YouTube of doctors, uh, like, sorry, not even doctors, medical students doing all of their like training. And so there were— there's a, a guy, Ali, that does heaps of this, but then there's another guy that I found that's even bigger. And they're like, like, I want to get notable now, and I want it— like, I know that I don't have— I know, I know I'm not studying for anything. What's that? Just no, uh Sorry, is it Notability or Notable?

Tommy: Oh, no, no, yeah, notoriety. He wants to become famous.

Mason: No, no, no, Notable, the note-taking app.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mason: Okay, we're on note-taking apps.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: And so it's open source.

Josh: Well, so he tells the storey of, um, the, uh, when he was doing his, uh, medical— like when he was— he's in his third year Uh, he lost a whole bit of his notes in like— because he was using books and he lost one of the books. And he said that it just fucking destroyed him, like he had to do all this. And so I was like sold in by the end of like, I need an iPad. Not only do I need that, but they had this, um, a special screen protector that makes the screen feel like paper. And so when you use— so it's Isn't that cool? My index cards haven't arrived, if you're wondering.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, you sound like the guy we need to buy an old, old-style phone that's actually digital, like a, you know, the one, the non-cordless ones that hang on the wall. Like, well, because you're turning your life digital, but you know, the ode to the past. So it's like the paper, the analog, using a fucking iPad.

Bodhi: Yeah.

Tommy: It's, um, but hang on, wait, when is the new iPad coming out and what and how do you know?

Josh: So I did a, um, I did a search on, uh, there's a website where you can go through and it says should I buy?

Mason: MacRumors Buyer's Guide.

Josh: Should I buy? And when you go to should I buy, it has a slider and it says this is when it was last updated and this is when it should be updated. So it's a great resource if you're looking.

Jess: That's cool.

Josh: Yeah, and so, Seb, if you look at it now, if you look at the iPad Pro 12-point-something-inch or whatever it is, the big one obviously.

Mason: Okay, well, I mean, so just if you've— if anyone's looking to buy a phone right now, don't buy one, um, because one's releasing soon. The iPad 12.9-inch iPad Pro, it said March 2020, I think, was when it was last released potentially, but then there's rumours of Yeah, March 2020 was when, was when it was last announced, like the latest refresh. But the 11-inch and then the iPad Air and the iPad Mini and the iPad, don't buy any of those. I think you're pretty safe to buy an iPad Pro, to be honest.

Josh: Sure.

Jess: Oh well, if they brought something out in March, surely they wouldn't.

Josh: Well, so the thing was, yeah, that's what I was thinking, but sometimes it will say whether it was a big or small update. And so it will say, oh, it's like a storage refresh, so it will increase the storage. Are you seeing there, Seb? Is there any details on it?

Mason: Um, I mean, they, they introduce a wide camera, a faster—

Josh: yeah, so when's that happening? So the camera is—

Mason: no, that's already happened.

Josh: That's just happened.

Mason: That's already happened. It's in the, it's in the actual— that was the one in March, that update.

Josh: Okay, I feel like you're safe because, yeah, you just don't want to be buying unless you're sort of trying to maximize, um, like from a cost factor perspective, normally the month before there's a release, some of the resellers will do like a 15% off. Because like, remember, like if you go into a JB or whatever, they always have the percentage off, the discounts, but you can never use it on Apple products. Yeah. So they'll do like base, the base level ones, like if you just want fucking what's out of the straight out of the box, you can get the 15% off when it gets close to the next.

Jess: Um, this is great because I don't need the new one. I just want the iPad Pro, but like the cheap, like last year version. I'm happy with that. I just don't want a button.

Tommy: Jess, what do you, what do you spend your money on? I feel like I don't have a sense of what you sort of invest in personally from a just not even I think you climb. From just the splurging, like you look at Josh, he's the subscriptions guy. Mason's the berries guy. What do you spend your cash on?

Jess: That's really funny that you ask because I've got a few parcels waiting to be delivered.

Josh: Oh, great.

Tommy: Great.

Jess: I actually had to leave a post-it note on my letterbox because I don't know if you guys have noticed this, but the posties aren't actually knocking on your door anymore. They're not delivering it to you. They just leave a slip.

Josh: Oh, really?

Jess: I don't know if it's just me, but like I'm home all the time, so they shouldn't be. Yeah. And so I've left a note saying, if you've got a delivery for Jess Lucas, please call my number.

Josh: Did you use your direct line? You could have.

Jess: I should have, but I didn't.

Josh: So everyone's got your mobile, so you might have the neighbour knocking, you know, with it, or giving, sending you texts.

Jess: Yeah, that's cool. I've got nothing else to do.

Tommy: Send nudes.

Jess: So there was a sale last Friday night, and it was Inapelli, or I don't know, I think it's like a special way of saying it, but I don't know how to say it. Um, and she does really nice leather jackets, and so these jackets are usually $700 or plus kind of dollars, and it was a warehouse sale, and I got two for $250 each.

Josh: And they're strong as well, didn't they? Pig pattern and a cobra hat as well.

Tommy: I mean, you already have a nice leather jacket. How many leather jackets do you own?

Jess: Well, this will be 4, but the plan was because they're quite similar, so, um, I might sell it. I'll see how I go.

Tommy: Or I might— you got a small menagerie in your fucking— in your wardrobe.

Josh: Did you ever go to— did you go to All Saints when you're in the UK?

Jess: Yeah, I've been there. Way too expensive.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. I remember when I was— well, when I was doing, um, Fifi and Jules, when I went there for the Olympics, there was a place that Fifi would constantly get— like, she kept going back and we spent a lot of time. They have like— I feel that they've got like— it's a very cool shop. Like, they've got like old sewing machines and shit. It seems pretty, pretty nice.

Tommy: Clothes is your crutch or your spending?

Jess: But in my defence The reason I did it is because I have not bought anything since lockdown. I think you don't need to, and it was my birthday money.

Josh: You don't need to defend yourself.

Jess: No, I feel like I do though, because it seems excessive. Like, do you know what I mean?

Mason: No, no, you got, you got 2 jackets for $500 instead of spending $700 on one.

Jess: Thank you.

Mason: That's not expensive. That's a great saving.

Jess: Yeah.

Mason: And then you can resell one if you want to and make money.

Bodhi: Yeah.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: No, you don't need to.

Tommy: Could you, could you actually resell it though?

Jess: Well, the issue is, is that I don't know the sizing. I haven't bought a jacket from them, so I got one in one size, and then the, the same size in the other jacket, which is the one I really wanted, um, it just took it out of my cart. It was really weird. And then so I had to get the, the size below, which I feel like that could be my size, but, uh, it's TBC. Leather jackets, like, they, they stretch, you know, so we'll see.

Tommy: Do they?

Jess: I don't know.

Josh: Did you ever do the, when traveling, going to one of those tailors in like Southeast Asia or something and getting something made?

Jess: Yeah, it's disgusting.

Josh: I can really, I can pick, I was saying to Jess yesterday, I was like, you're definitely the person that eats that corn dip and also that cob loaf thing, the cob, you know, the cob. The bread and you dip it in.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mentioned that to you the other day, Jess.

Jess: What, the cobb loaf?

Tommy: The cobb loaf, where it's like the bread with the dip in the middle and you break the bread off.

Jess: I love cobb loaf.

Tommy: Maybe, yeah, yeah.

Josh: And I said this to Jess yesterday, and I feel like the person who, I think if you look at the hierarchy of needs, it's cobb loaf and then it's tailored, tailored, what was that?

Mason: Is that all right, Maslow?

Josh: I think somewhere on there, After self-actualization. Yes, it's tailored clothes from Southeast Asia. What did you get and where'd you get it?

Jess: I got it from when I was in Nepal and it was like a business jacket. I wanted a really cute tailored fitted blazer and I got it back and it doesn't fit. The material was shocking. It was just—

Josh: Did you get it when you were there? When you did it?

Jess: Yeah, I was in Nepal. Yeah, yeah. Okay, did they not show you the whole fabric thing or something?

Josh: Like, you can get these things delivered online now, but did you not look? Because they do the whole like fucking— and I do wonder, I'm like, who's wearing this pinstripe now? You know, like you look at these things and it's like, really?

Jess: And then isn't pinstripe in? Like the, the checkered?

Josh: Yeah, well, Mason's getting us a suit, the Matthew McConaughey chequered Yeah, Matthew McConaughey, dude, it's a good— Matthew McConaughey without a suit.

Tommy: But that's, you know, mate, do you have a normal— do you have a black suit, like a normal suit, or a—

Mason: I've just got my blue one that's vomit stained, so I still need to get that cleaned.

Jess: Go take that to the dry cleaner, mate.

Mason: Yeah, it's just down the road as well, like it could just—

Tommy: it's not—

Mason: yeah, you've been there so many times.

Jess: Yeah.

Josh: Mason had a big business meeting yesterday. I was very excited for him. And I think I may have over-engineered the things that I told him to say. I think I coached, I think I didn't coach him. I think the advice monster came in.

Mason: Came out, yeah. Came out.

Josh: Can you explain the advice I gave, how it was implemented and how it went?

Mason: Well, I mean, so it started with, um, it started with sort of like Michael Bungay Stanier questions coaching through, like, what's the biggest challenge, all that sort of stuff, which is great.

Tommy: I completely love that.

Mason: Yeah, yeah. And then, and then it sort of, and then it sort of got into like, you know, a bit of small talk, sort of breaking the water sort of stuff.

Josh: So that's what I was giving you. So that's what this is. This is the advice that I started with.

Mason: You started with MBS questions being like, mate, you enter into these, and then you're just like, you know, if you need a bit of small talk, like, here are a couple of things to do.

Josh: I panicked on the small talk. And so the small talk, what did I say?

Mason: The small talk was, um, he's like, mate, bring up, bring up the fact that we're all tired from watching David Blaine. You know, we're all— the whole team's exhausted. We've been watching David Blaine all night. Anyway, so I enter into the meeting and I have a, I have a little panic at the start. I was like, man, small talk, what do I say?

Tommy: What do I say?

Mason: I was like, man, we are so tired. The whole team, like, we stayed up all night. We're in Melbourne. He was like, 2 AM by the time we got to bed and we were watching David Blaine all night. And I got nothing from her.

Josh: Nothing.

Mason: She didn't know what David Blaine was.

Josh: She didn't know who David Blaine was. So we could have gone and— the funny thing was, Mase, I was like, I wonder if I just got it wrong. So I had a meeting with a guy in New York this morning and the first thing I said, mate, I'm tired, was watching the David Blaine thing. "Did you watch it?" He said, "No, no, I didn't." I'm like, "Oh, did you know about it?" I'm just trying to sense how far off I was. He's like, "Oh yeah, I think I saw a photo of him with balloons." He's like, "Yeah, yeah, that's the one." Yeah, well, that's, I was up until 2:00 AM watching that. So this is, you know, getting up at 6:00 to chat is nothing anyway. He's like, "Yeah, okay, so I'm just bringing up the deck now." That's what happened to me, straight past it.

Tommy: I mean, giving anyone advice on small talk is either considering that they are completely inept at— with— they have no ability to have a conversation at that point. That's what you're saying?

Bodhi: Yeah.

Tommy: Like, do you— did you not have faith in Mason having any ability to come up with something?

Josh: I wanted to give him the tools that he needed, and that's not the choice. That's not— the thing was, he used it. It was the first fucking thing he used. So he could have used any small talk he wanted, but he spent—

Tommy: How you going? Mason's classic. How you going?

Josh: He literally did that.

Tommy: And he would have been dead.

Bodhi: I did that.

Josh: He did it twice. I did that.

Mason: I did it. Yeah, I did it twice. One got cut out because of audio ducking. And then I said it again and she's like, yeah, good. And I was like, so David Blaine, did you watch that last? Like, we're exhausted.

Jess: But you didn't even watch it. Is that right?

Mason: No, I didn't. No, I didn't even watch it.

Tommy: Oh, you're an ice sitter. Oh, I said to him to say.

Josh: Is it's like—

Mason: But I said the team. I said the team, I didn't say me.

Josh: I said to him to say the team. I think we got to— And the other thing I said is I was like, just don't make it all about you though. Don't make it like, just fucking ask the question. But the thing was then he's like, I think you were trying to be too smart where it's like, it's almost like you're in a job interview and they're trying to get to know you, but you just don't fucking answer any of their questions. But it went well.

Mason: Now how you going to get another team's great. Yeah. 'What have you been up to?' 'Oh, the team's been doing a lot.' No, but you made it work.

Josh: It went, it went well.

Mason: It went well.

Tommy: What's the learning for next time though? Because I think that's where it needs to—

Mason: I mean, just chill out a bit. Like the Michael Bungay Stanier questions are great and just sort of, sort of hedge your bet on those. Like, just don't worry about anything else. Just do those questions and everything else will come.

Josh: What about a quick Google search of the person's name and seeing if they're following on Instagram?

Jess: Well, I was just about to say what I do before I go into any pitch or any like meeting when I don't know someone is you always have 3. And what I tell my juniors is you always have 3 questions that you need to ask them to get to soften like all of this kind of awkwardness at the start. So then you're putting the questions onto them and they have to answer, and then it kind of gets you into pitch mode.

Tommy: So you're owning the room. I mean, asking questions really feels like there's an ownership to the direction of the chat. There's also understanding your fucking pecking order.

Josh: But you also— I mean, just saying that, but it doesn't always work. Like, those things, like, you've told storeys of people that have panicked and their internet connections had to— it's gone out, you know.

Bodhi: Yeah.

Tommy: Sorry, I think your internet connection just dropped.

Josh: I mean, that is a strategy. There is a strategy in disconnecting. Just pretending like, sorry, I missed that. Like, just like, I think that Mace, you were applying some of the awkwardness that you were feeling or sort of like the awkward moments to, it's into the bad internet, bad internet. Bad internet. Like, just like they're ducking, she didn't hear, must have been that.

Tommy: Do you think there's an evolution though? Jess, you're probably— you're much further down the line, um, in terms of going into meetings and even having the sense of like these feelings that Mason is. This is Mason, a big meeting for a young bloke who hasn't had much phone time. There's a big difference, right? And so you're thinking about questions to defuse awkwardness, but Do you think awkwardness actually goes? Like, are you just cool with it? It's like, whatever, I'm just having a phone chat. Is that your experience?

Jess: I feel like it is now, I think, but I had to teach myself how to do it. 'Cause when you're talking about a pitch, you feel— I did a lot of presenting in my old job, and so you would have to go into a room and you would have to meet 3 to 4 new people that you didn't know, and then you had to convince them that what you've put on this slide is the best approach to move forward with. And so there's not only the nerves of meeting someone new, but there's also the nerves of remembering what you need to say on a slide. And a lot of the time you can't put too many words on a slide, so you can't just read off it. You have to, you know, go into a state of remembering. So the way I coped with it was having 3 questions of like doing a bit of background research on the people or the company, or just news of the day, and knowing those things that I could bring up. And then the other thing was having an intro sentence for each slide, and it would just be written down the bottom. 'Cause you know your shit, like if you write the slides, you know what you've put on there and it'll come to you. But if you have that little intro sentence, I can just rattle the rest of it off.

Josh: Do you think the pitching side is easier potentially than what, uh, Sevs was experiencing, which is like, it's not clearly a pitch. It's like these, like, getting to know— like when it's a, oh, we just— it's a getting to know you chat, all of a sudden it's like, oh, getting to know you, who am I? Like, what am I— like, what do I— what am I talking about? What it— like, so it's not selling in some regards is easier than this is closer to a first date that Sevs experienced.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's the coffee catch-up with no agenda. And so you don't know where it's going to go. And so then it relies heavily on banter of just back and forth curiosity.

Josh: I think potentially the learning is that person called the meeting. And so it's actually their job in a lot of ways to drive what they want out of the meeting. And so I think potentially I gave too much info or context so that if it wasn't driven, you could actually completely run the meeting and you'd be fine. Yeah, but I think there is a sense of you can go in there with that, but you also need to be just ready to completely let go and just go with what the other person's doing.

Tommy: I think, I think it is the ultimate example of how advice is dangerous, because even advice at a banter level is literally your internal monologue. Like, that's what you would do. And so, yeah, yeah.

Josh: I mean, so would you wish that you didn't bring up the David Blaine stuff?

Mason: Nah, absolutely not. I think it was great, to be honest. No, I, I actually enjoyed it. Like, the bit of like, man, like, what's— what is that?

Josh: That's weird.

Mason: Even— yeah, even the curiosity of being like, what the hell is he talking about?

Josh: Like, yeah, yeah.

Mason: And maybe—

Tommy: and maybe they call you now— they call you now Magical Mason around the office.

Mason: Yeah, maybe they Googled it afterwards, you know. Yeah, maybe they sat down and watched it.

Josh: And so the thing is, there's also a stickiness of like when that person sees the David Blaine thing on the news, they're like, ah, that Aussie guy, he was—

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: That all makes sense.

Tommy: But that is your thinking at that point too. Like, that is the point about advice is even though it could be the thing, like, that is completely true what you just said. It's not— there needs to be an honest connection between the person saying it as well. So it's like the script, the scripted content versus here's what's really going on in my life.

Josh: It wasn't—

Tommy: which—

Mason: that's all right, I read an article.

Tommy: It's completely scripted when he didn't watch the show. That is completely—

Josh: I did not. If, if, if, if Sev said I watched it and I'm tired, then he's gone too far. Because what I said was, if you wanted to just give the context, you know, you could say, "Oh, how are you going?" "Yeah, good." "Yeah, I'm good. I went to bed early, but the guys, the rest of the team, they all stayed up and watched the David Blaine thing." And so, the way that it would have been inferred was everyone in the team stayed up and watched it. That's what—

Jess: I was in bed at 9 o'clock.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Mason: Me too. I was asleep at like 8:30.

Josh: I think it was risky. Trying to build connection with something that you're not across. Yeah, the only reason I brought it up was because I thought you would have enough idea that you could be like—

Tommy: well, I think that's also the danger, like advice to, to people that, like Mace at his level, um, getting started, you could easily take on like that is a suggestion, essentially a suggestion, not fucking here's what you need to say verbatim.

Josh: Yeah, it's like maybe I should have given more.

Tommy: Maybe you don't give examples, say what's going on, ask questions. Yeah, what's going on in your life right now?

Josh: The whole thing. That's the whole thing.

Tommy: As in, even to Mason, what's going on in your life? What's important to you at the moment? What are you interested in?

Josh: What's he gonna say? No, no, I agree. Like, MBS it. You need to, like, you know, what's your biggest challenge?

Tommy: Well, because that's it.

Josh: Like, they work.

Tommy: And the beauty of the MBS, MBS thing is that it's both ways. It's you, you asking Mason questions about him to get him his answers, and then it's the questions that he needs to ask them about what they're up to.

Josh: And I do that. I think the funny thing is I'm like, so Mason, what's your biggest challenge? He tells me, I said, well, here's a David Blaine bit that you should do.

Jess: So was that, was that a challenge that you identified with Mason or not? Or is Josh just suggesting banter for the sake of it?

Mason: I mean, it was, it was, did I, did I mention to you? I don't, I feel like I didn't actually mention to you that, that was one of the areas.

Tommy: Josh says I have something. Josh says I've got social anxiety. Do I have it? I think I do. Josh said I did.

Jess: Um, well, you were just amazing. I've been on a call with you before and you were great.

Tommy: I know, it's you just—

Mason: dude, you're very just like, hey, going, what's been going on? Just that sort of vibe. Yeah, Grace, Grace was telling me that you actually text her midway through the meeting asking her what's going on, and she replied, uh, he just said, what's been happening, what's going on?

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I did, I did think at that point I'm like, that's probably We've got a very unconventional sort of thing, but I feel like if your boss messaged your girlfriend because you're working from home, like, hey, can you hear that? How's he going? Is he surviving? Is he okay? Is he— has he had a panic attack? But it went well. And so that's the thing. So the weirdness is I pride myself on like, look how good I am and how much autonomy and trust. But then I fucking blow it by asking, telling him David Blaine stories.

Tommy: No, well, it's a good— Mason, you did well. And I think as much as the, uh, the banter sounds like it wasn't really that successful, it's, uh, it was a success overall. 8 out of 10, mate. Um, but an absolute 1 out of 10 on you recording your own audio for Tony Lodge's show, One Trick Tony.

Mason: I'm actually— you know what, to be fair, not even my fault. I'm blaming the software. I'm literally— it was all fine 45 minutes ago. And look, I'm— I don't have tech issues. Like, I'm— it's, it's not like GB's, you know, recording. I'm, I'm solid with my tech. And for this to screw up, yeah, it was, um, it ruined the day, to be honest.

Tommy: It's unfortunate. Well, I just heard listening back to One Trick Tony, and I heard Tony referenced that the podcast collaborator was watching the episode, and my mind's instantly gone to, oh, Josh is sitting in on this so that just in case Mason fucks it again. Was that right?

Josh: It was a bit of a do— it was like a do-good type of thing where it's like, Tony, I know this is— it's fucked that we're having to do it again, but I'll be— oh, let's— let me come in and we can use it as it— like, let's expand on it and actually like I'll sit in on like this is the first one that I'm sitting in on and just seeing how it is. And we recorded video as well.

Tommy: So it was like, yeah, it was great. Yeah, it was great. I just in that moment I was like, oh, Mason's fucked this. The best, the beauty of it all was I only heard the extent of it on the episode of One Trick Tony. And I heard, which was nice that I didn't get told too much about this because I heard like, oh, there was a bit of a thing with the issue, the audio. And but someone said, I'll be fine though.

Josh: What was it? It was me because Tony wasn't feeling great.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And Mase fucked the audio. And so those two— so Tony called me after the thing being like, feel like I'm in a bit of a fucking mood, I don't think I'm funny, it's not good, blah blah blah. And then so I was like, let me listen to it. And then Sevs calls me, I'm like, mate, you look fucking tired or something, what's wrong? He's like, the audio. Your audio. I was like, oh, what? He's like, yeah, it's all gone. I don't know what happened.

Tommy: I was like, okay.

Josh: He's like, yeah, David Blaine and this. I'm like, mate, just, you don't have to do anything. What are you saying? And then from there I said, okay, well, I called Tony back. I'm like, look, good news, the audio's fucked anyway, so let's just not worry about it. Let's come, like, let's do it again. It's like, actually, and because I understand it's a bunch of work, recording a whole thing again is a bunch of work. And I understand that. So I'm like, hey, I want to come in anyway and we can try a different way of doing it.

Tommy: Mason, what was your heart rate on that phone call with Josh? Was it higher on the one, the important one the other day or the one with Josh?

Mason: No, actually it was actually more depressing on the phone call with Josh, to be honest. And I wasn't even in the mode of like, Like, I don't think I was— you weren't stressed because I was still trying to figure out how it actually happened. And so I wasn't even thinking about like— I was like, I'm gonna have to re-record anyway. But I'm saying, how the hell has this happened?

Josh: Yeah. Did you work out what happened or no?

Mason: No, no idea.

Tommy: Um, everything, you know, everything happens, right?

Josh: So yeah, everything happens. A great episode. And it was— yeah, Tony used, uh, used the opportunity to reflect on what she was feeling and all that sort of thing. Yeah. Opened up.

Tommy: It's awesome. Like, it's— it is how you, you get— you're getting content out of what's happening. Like, you— it's perfect, the evolution of that.

Josh: It's listening. Yeah, it's listening to yourself and the experience. Like, that's a beauty, beauty of podcasts. Like, when we spoke in the early days with Tony, we had a couple of episodes already recorded, and we made the decision to release those straight away so that then we could be a week-by-week show where we're not pre-recording weeks in advance because it's like shit's constantly evolving. And there's also that connectedness that we're all like— isn't it funny how like I spoke to a client yesterday, they're like, oh yeah, it feels like, you know, my household's just erupting at the moment. Like it seems like everyone goes through these cycles around a very similar time. And so I think it's good when you're doing a podcast to do it as close to the date of publish as possible. Yeah, definitely.

Tommy: Great.

Josh: Definitely. Alrighty. Well, you guys, you watched the David Blaine thing? It was good.

Tommy: Yeah, great.

Josh: Yeah, great.

Mason: I actually did. I went and watched it yesterday. It was a bit underwhelming, to be honest.

Tommy: Well, but no, that's the problem. Watching back a live stream, watching back our 24-hour live stream.

Mason: But it was just a bit like, even I was actually a little bit disappointed with the tech, to be honest. Like, tech-wise, they could have done way better. Like, audio was a bit crap and—

Tommy: Hey, hey, Sebs, at least they had the audio. Yeah, that's good.

Mason: I, I had audio, it just came through the computer. Their mics and my computer sounds the same, to be honest.

Tommy: But he was— they were 25,000.

Mason: Yeah, but also, like, you are feedback guys, like the feedback's coming back through his—

Tommy: anyway, he's critical, isn't he? Yeah, I'm more curious with questions.

Mason: If you're putting 5 mil into that, that was a sum that I made, it was a guess. I know, I know, but even if it's—

Tommy: it probably was 5 mil to To be honest, I would search highlight video if there's some kind of fast cut that someone made that YouTube will make.

Josh: It's just one which is just him blowing up at people and then his daughter not being able to undo her cardigan and him fucking just like, he's just doing it, but you can tell he's about to fucking rip the button off.

Tommy: Mate, Dad can fucking get out of a straitjacket with his eyes closed Underwater, take your fucking cardigan off.

Josh: All righty, uh, it's a Daily Talk Show. Enjoy the rest of your day. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com if you want to send us an email. Otherwise, we'll see tomorrow, guys. Have a good one.

Tommy: See you guys.