Cancel Culture

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show. It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 761.

Josh: What's happening, guys? What's going on?

Tommy: Happy Monday. Clap in Monday. Hey, George, you almost knocked my mic when I went to clap.

Josh: That's, uh, I feel like, I mean, Friday night was great. Um, uh, it's, I mean, I'm no spring chicken anymore. I'm feeling old this morning.

Tommy: Well, you did that whole thing where it's been many, many years that I've experienced this. Yeah. When you go to a party and then there's like a group of people all leaving at the same time, it's like, oh, where are you?

Josh: Where are you going?

Tommy: That was strange, wasn't it? It's like, these guys.

Josh: Oh my God, they're aliens. They're leaving a party to go party some more.

Tommy: And so, yeah, I mean, the thing is, I can't help but like, what crazy shit is it? You okay?

Josh: I just put my chair down.

Tommy: I was just thinking like, what are they up to? Like, I associate it with like drugs and orgies and like when you don't get invited to the next party, you're like, there's some crazy shit that's—

George: You were invited.

Josh: You said no. I heard you. Bri was like, oh, I'm up for this. And you're like, nah. So pushback. Always invited.

Tommy: The invite was Mason saying, where are you guys going? It's like, oh, we're going back. Oh, do you guys, do you guys want to come? Which is fine. I loved it. I thought this is great that that TJ, you know, who's a dad, doesn't get much time to go out on a Friday night, was going back to Rain Man's place.

Josh: Well, it's, you know, I haven't been like— stars have to align for me to have a night out. And it's—

George: that's—

Josh: I think it's fair. That's just what you take on when you become a father. And Amy was taking Bodhi out the next morning to go and hang out with a friend. So I knew that. Which meant I knew I could, you know, have some fun. And so that's exactly what happened. But, you know, so what'd you—

Tommy: where'd you go? And so it was— we had Friday night drinks. Yeah.

Josh: And then we just went out, went back to Rayman's and hung out after. The point being is, is there's— mate, you're a deviant if you think there's some sort of orgy going on after you use that word. Take your mind out of the gutter. Parties happen and then other parties happen. So sometimes back in the day, I'd be 6 parties deep. And then you'd hear about a party on the way home. You know this, George. It's just, it's— listen, Mason was amazed that there was a party on after a party. Yeah, he's like, does that— well, I was— double party?

Mason: Well, I— because I got, I got home and I was FaceTiming Grace, and I kept, uh, because I was— I had no idea, but Grace was saying that I kept asking where you were and if you got home all right.

Josh: Where Tommy was?

Mason: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I just— because I remember, I just remember being on Find My Friends because I knew Josh was like, he got home, but I was like, where's TJ? I was like, I hope gets home.

Tommy: Like, there was something scary about it. George Woods. Just like it was the start of a THC era.

Josh: Imagine taking them to Revolver. That would blow your socks off. Anyway, I wanted to do a little— We had a great time. One of the—

Tommy: So you went too?

George: Yeah, I was there.

Tommy: Did you? What happened?

Josh: Everyone was there.

Tommy: What happened?

Josh: Except for the guy. We invited you.

Tommy: There wasn't enough room in the car.

George: It's true, actually. You can only have 3 in an Uber.

Mason: Really?

George: Can't sit in the front.

Josh: So, yeah, the guy let us. Are you sure? Pretty sure he did. From what I can recall.

Mason: Rules must be blurry.

Tommy: Yeah.

George: Did you?

Tommy: So, Mason was going to leave and then we ended up walking home. But before you talk about what you're going to talk about, I was just going to say the Friday night drinks, it was a little bit of a clusterfuck because we rushed to get set up. And so, we just put a camera on the tripod. It was this wide-angle shot.. And the way that it was set up was like with Zoom. The thing that is great about Zoom is you are front on. It's like the shots we have here. So, you're nice and close and you feel like you're part of it and there's a lot of empathy. But the way that it looked like a security camera that we had set up. Yeah. And so, the feedback was it was like watching other people have a party. And I was— So, I was there talking.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Being like, oh, you know, just keep people engaged. I was interested in what everyone was up to. I hadn't seen the Gronks in a while, and then I started playing music and then the chat was saying, I don't want music, I want like, we should be talking. Yeah. And so I turned the music down and started talking again. And then there was a criticism of, oh, it looks like we're just watching a party. Yeah. And at that point I was like, I was half pissed. Which we— this isn't a regular thing. I don't like— as a brand value, I don't want us to become, yeah, the, the, the guys that are just getting like just a dirty workplace where there's just people falling downstairs.

Josh: Which wasn't the case. It was never the case.

Tommy: Well, we could have fallen.

Mason: I mean, you tried to jump over them.

Josh: I mean, let's, let's be honest, you've fallen down the stairs looking on your phone and sprained your ankle. No booze involved. Yeah, but it was dangerous already there.

Tommy: But there was— because there was the, uh, the episode where did all the gin. Like, there was a lot going on.

Mason: It was a lot last week, wasn't it?

Tommy: And so it was a big week.

Josh: It was a write-off, we said.

Tommy: Yes, we said that on Wednesday.

Josh: Yeah, but if it's written off from a month— from the Tuesday when you come back after a long weekend, it's still a write-off, um, continuing.

Tommy: And so anyway, I just wanted to say, yeah, the Friday night drinks in that format doesn't—

Mason: it's gonna have to be reworked.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, this is what the I have been thinking a lot about the— So, how do you feel about the isolation time? Like, it's becoming now a memory, right? It's like we're not living it at this point. And I think that there was— I mean, if you're looking on it fondly, some people are probably like, I lost everything. And it was the worst time ever. As in going into isolation, lost COVID-19, no job, all money gone, lost everything. To a degree, having to build back up. Lost a job, which can feel like you've lost everything because it does remove a lot. But my point being, like, driving in no traffic, I really enjoyed. Sort of like the pressure, the old pressures that you were experiencing prior to it were, you know, relieved, or just you either could forget about them.

Tommy: It was a moment in time.

Josh: I know.

Tommy: And that's what I was thinking. It's like, you know what's happened? Friday night drinks with the Gronks was like being on a holiday. We were on Hamilton Island. We were getting pissed every night. We're like, let's catch up when we're back in Melbourne. He was caught up in Melbourne and it's like, actually, I don't like any of you.

Josh: Speak yourself.

Tommy: Not that I feel that way, but that's how I was gauging the— Me, I felt like I was being my normal self.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: And for them, people like, when people say this is fucking boring or it's—

Josh: Did someone say that?

Tommy: It was, it was very much—

Josh: No, but did someone say that? Because the words are powerful.

Mason: Words, tone is powerful.

Josh: How do you gauge tone on text?

Mason: Yeah, that's—

Josh: Well, the thing is, my point is it's, you, you know, when something feels like it works.

Tommy: So that's a criticism that I get commonly, which is I will communicate what you've said based on tone, not what you've actually said. Which is the tone.

Josh: Which is misrepresentation, to be honest, because all we have is what we say. Emma wasn't smiling.

Tommy: Emma's the friendliest girl. She's always smiling. And I couldn't even turn, like, we talked about the snake. We talked about her snake.

Mason: You couldn't turn her frown upside down.

Tommy: No, no. I was just like, thank God Mr.

Josh: 97 had a smile on his face the whole night. He was enjoying himself.

Mason: That was a lot.

Josh: No, look, I agree, I agree. It's a, it's a, um, it's, you know, a, a piece of time, a moment in time that is no longer isolation. It's not like it's not a thing now. Most people are going back or they're still working from home, but it's like it is a different vibe as soon as you have the option of going to a real pub with your real mates. No, I get it. But I enjoy it. I enjoyed the night. But I'm—

Tommy: Well, I think that you— I think that where we went wrong was we had two tables set up. And so what I thought was going to happen was we were all going to go around the white table where the microphones and headphones were.

Josh: Oh yeah.

Tommy: And so I can't do two things at once. Yeah. And so I'm like, it's almost like I'm on stage, like emceeing, like, oh, how's everyone's night been? And there was another conversation going around the big wooden table. So, I understand. I apologise to the Gronks and actually don't like— I love everyone that was on there. I would hang out in real life.

Josh: It was a great analogy, minus the bit at the end where I hated them. Yes, because we don't hate anyone.

Tommy: No, I don't.

Josh: No, but it was a great analogy in terms of the vibe you get when you are on holidays. And then it's like—

Tommy: Which I actually never had. I've never allowed that to— I know that people make holiday friends.

George: I've done that so many times.

Mason: Really?

George: Yeah. So many times.

Josh: Any that you've kept or?

George: Not really. Like, there was like a few months of like catching up every now and then, and then it just slowly drifts away.

Josh: Twindles.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: Even on nights out, nights out you go, "We're best friends." Oh, I've got one guy specifically, like a couple of big nights. Future Music Festival, you know, just into the wee hours. And then if I see him, it's like, mate, we went to school together, Year 10, Year 11. And it's like, you know, you form a real strong connection quickly, but it isn't that. That's not real.

Tommy: It's a bit different.

Josh: That's not real, especially when alcohol is involved. Everyone loves everyone.

Tommy: And so what did happen at the other party?

Josh: More alcohol, more party, more talking, more listening to music. Fuck, you're a dad.

Tommy: What was the vibe? Like, did we miss out on the couch? Was there any food?

Josh: No, I think, I think as it gets into further into the night, no one's really missing out. Like, what is it? What's the saying? Nothing good happens after, after 9. Usually it goes to like after the 1 AM mark is when it starts to go down.

Mason: So how late did you go?

Josh: I got home before, within the 12 hour. I thought that was reasonable.

Mason: Oh really? You got home before midnight?

Josh: Within the 12-hour.

Tommy: What does that mean?

Mason: What does that mean?

Josh: Between 12 and 12:59.

Mason: Oh, okay.

Josh: So before 1, before 1, within the 12-hour.

George: Yeah, I think so.

Josh: Yeah, it makes sense.

George: No, I was just hanging out, just chatting. Great to hang out with Rory and Danny.

Josh: Team building.

George: Love those guys.

Josh: Yeah, team building, Josh.

Tommy: But the team building, we were building like— I thought we did a great job of building. Yeah, when we were here. And so the second bit Just moving in. Yeah.

Josh: Yeah. I was applying the, you know, the roof and the doors, all the accessories. I installed it. I installed an oven and everyone was pretty cooked after it.

Tommy: I mean, Mase doesn't get— Was that— That was the most pissed you've ever been?

Mason: Do you reckon more than LA? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Bree doesn't even really drink. And she was—

Mason: I mean, we were— arms around each other walking.

Tommy: They were hugging the whole time.

Josh: It was a full GB Hump Day replay.

Tommy: It was a full cuckold operation. I did feel like a cuck as we're walking along Hoddle Street.

Josh: What McFlurry did you get?

Tommy: Oreo. Oreo with the chocolate.

Josh: Yes, that's a JJ classic.

Mason: But I dropped my spoon on the ground, didn't I?

Tommy: Did you pick it up? I gave it to you.

Mason: No, Josh gave me his.

Josh: The other thing is, how did you eat your one?

Tommy: And the thing was, it was I just realised it was the traffic, the next traffic light from the McDonald's. That's just strong effort. Yeah, yeah.

George: For a whole McFlurry.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, they're pretty, they're pretty quick. Yeah, yeah. He smashed that down.

Josh: Oh God. So this time next week, Sev will be on annual leave. I've got to put it in the, put it into our accounting software today.

Tommy: Put in the calendar.

Josh: But more important, it's a big Big week for you.

Mason: Yeah, well, I mean, my weekend continued because I went and got a haircut. Everyone's big weekend.

Tommy: My weekend, like, that's pretty funny. My weekend continued. Yeah, yeah, lucky one.

Mason: No, well, so I got a haircut.

George: Looks great.

Mason: No, thanks, mate. Really nice.

Josh: I don't notice too much. I thought you— I've done a little fade. Okay, yeah, the front fade, front side fade.

Mason: You can't really see from the front, but no, I did that and I did a bit of a clean out, so Uh, yeah, everything's, everything's getting ready.

George: But I found—

Josh: look at, look at my neck. What's happened, mate?

Tommy: What happened? You've got a bit of gravel, like a rash from the shaver.

Josh: Nah, I didn't even shave. What's happened? You've scratched yourself.

Mason: No, I don't know what it is.

Josh: In the night you've scratched yourself.

Mason: It's been there for over 24 hours.

George: Hickey.

Josh: It looks like— no, it looks like a shaving scratch.

Mason: I didn't shave it. I think it might have been the hairdresser.

Josh: The—

Tommy: oh yeah, yeah, okay. Anyway, very sensitive skin.

Mason: Yeah, but no, next week we'll be in Blairgowrie at the beach house. And so, beach house, all right.

Josh: When are you leaving? On a Monday?

Mason: Or in terms of— yeah, Monday. I don't know, in the morning, I guess.

Tommy: Maybe we'll go down and get some like supplies from the supermarket from Friday, like Saturday and Sunday. The weekend will continue for you.

Josh: It'll be a long weekend for Seb. So Seb's girlfriend's moving from Perth, which is very exciting. Have you, um, Have you planned anything or are you just giving yourself this week to plan stuff? Or are you not planning anything?

Mason: Nothing's planned.

Josh: That's about right.

Mason: I feel like it'd just be nice to hang out, see what happens.

Josh: Plans are good. Like having something like it's—

Mason: But I'm sure like we can go for a walk, like we can decide on the day if we want to go for a walk or down to the beach.

Josh: Like it's like going to school. If there was nothing planned, you'd end up just hanging, doing nothing. You need something. I think it's like in In my relationship, it's my 5th year wedding anniversary. I think that's right.

Tommy: Today?

Josh: No, next month.

Tommy: Oh yeah.

Josh: July. And so, but I was thinking about that in the shower yesterday morning and I was like, if we don't have something planned, it will just be, we won't do anything. So we, it's like I push back on planning too far in advance.

Tommy: It's so much better. Like I wish that I planned what I was doing with Bree for our 30th because I ended up fucking running around.

George: Around.

Tommy: Yeah, trying to sort everything out.

Josh: Exactly.

Tommy: Pulling heaps of favours and just like people like, when is it? It's like, it's tomorrow. Like, it would have been so much like, you can, if you plan now, you could get things sent from, uh, like shipped from China. Like, you could go Alibaba.

Josh: Yeah, I know.

Tommy: But even like the, the, for the wedding anniversary, you could do something, um, big relating to crafts but get great prices on all the paint. So there's, if you're just running around, you're going to pay full price Like, for instance, is it—

Josh: oh, is it— oh, maybe it's not open. Oh, that's another thing. It's COVID-19 time. Stuff is opening back up. Like the Peninsula Hot Springs.

Mason: It's open.

Josh: It's open.

Mason: It's open.

Josh: Have you booked?

George: No.

Josh: I would book that.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Based on it not being— it not being— they probably can't just have a flood of people.

Mason: Yeah. No, literally, I just saw a thing on Facebook saying they're— that they're open but only taking bookings.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I don't think Do you reckon Grace would be into hot springs?

Josh: Mate, it is. What do you mean?

Mason: It's quite nice.

Tommy: I fucking hate like—

Josh: Yeah, but you hate taking your top off. When was the last time you went to the beach? She's from Perth.

Mason: No, she loves going to the beach in Perth.

Josh: If you like going to the beach and you like water, you'll love the fucking hot springs. Winter, go early in the morning. It's like, you know, you know, steaming off the top. It's like there's this hill. I know you wouldn't, but you're not Swiss.

Tommy: Well, Grace would say, saying she's not into, um, what's the hot things that you go into? Saunas.

Josh: It's not a sauna.

Tommy: Yeah, but yeah, it's a sauna without a roof.

Josh: No, it's not. Have you ever been in a spa?

Tommy: Yeah, what do you mean?

Josh: What do you mean?

Mason: I prefer to go into a sauna than a spa.

Josh: Yeah, but it's, you know, in a pool area.

Tommy: Yeah, told you.

Mason: But only—

Josh: Hang on, a spa is not a sauna.

Mason: A spa is not the hot spring area.

Tommy: You're submerged in water. What I'm saying—

Josh: It's a pool. Is— What are you saying?

Tommy: What I'm saying is it's got all the qualities of a sauna. Yeah, plus water. Fuck it. Yeah, exactly. And so most of the qualities, it's actually nothing like it. But if you're not into—

Josh: If you were to say a steam room, I'd say, okay, I would actually see what you mean.

Mason: Exactly the same as outdoor swimming pool.

Josh: What is?

Mason: Just warm. It's a warm outdoor swimming pool.

Tommy: Okay. It is.

Josh: So, it's lovely. You get your robe and you get to walk around.

Mason: They've got cold ones as well that you can jump in.

Josh: Yeah, there's a plunge pool, like a plunge.

Mason: That's exciting.

Tommy: And so, you're going to go?

Josh: Yeah. I mean, it's really nice. It's really nice. Or a winery.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: This is hot.

Mason: Lunch. Oh, yeah, that's a great idea.

Tommy: I feel like I got stuck with when travelling, people would say, you'll love this or you'll— this is the best thing ever.

Josh: I can't get to account him. I wasn't talking about you.

Tommy: You fucking hate it. Yeah, but you need to be be in tune with your own voice in what you like, because it's very easy. Like, you can go to a restaurant and they'll be like, oh, you should get the, uh, like, the steak is the best. Now, if you're a vegetarian, don't get the steak, you know what I mean?

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: Amy loves to ask the waiter what something is like. I'm like, the waiter has no idea. Like, they might not like a hot chocolate and they don't know what the quality is.

George: Yeah.

Josh: And so, but for Seb's, I could imagine, let's take into account his situation. Either that or just fix the internet at the Airbnb, just make sure you dial in the router.

Mason: Digital detox.

Josh: Oh, you are? You're doing a digital detox?

Mason: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: So what does that mean?

Mason: Well, I just like, you've reduced social.

Josh: I just, I just don't, I won't be, I won't be on my phone. How many people have said they're doing the digi detox? Oh yeah, and just like going hard. I'm a bit bored.

Tommy: All the time.

Josh: I always think, fuck, you always need a box to lock it away in.

Tommy: What's everyone's screen time been like?

Josh: Fuck, I haven't looked in a while. Let's have a look.

George: You know, watch DVDs and stuff. That sounds like a very beach house thing to do.

Mason: No, Rod's decked it out with DVDs.

Josh: Oh, there is something about a rental that has an old player and you just like slip back into—

George: I love it—

Josh: 16-year-old mode where you're cracking a DVD.

Tommy: 16. When Seb was 16, DVDs weren't around. Netflix. When he was 5.

Josh: Is that true? You were at least 16, you were watching Netflix?

Mason: Uh, 16.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, 2012.

George: Yeah, 2 hours 48 daily average.

Tommy: Daily average.

Mason: 2012, I would have been.

Tommy: My daily average.

Josh: Is that for this week or?

George: Yeah, Sunday.

Josh: See, that's a count of yesterday.

George: 4 hours 10 out. 4 hours 10 minutes was last week's average.

Josh: Oh yeah, yeah. So by the end of the week, you, you have cranked your average.

Mason: 7 hours and 2 minutes for me.

Josh: Whoa.

Tommy: So last, last week?

George: Yeah.

Tommy: Oh, mine was 6 hours 32 last week.

Josh: 4 hours and 32 minutes last week. It's down 6% from the last week.

Tommy: Really? Getting less and less though out of my phone.

Josh: Out of it?

Tommy: Like the battery?

Josh: Like the, um, I was even thinking about, uh, trading it in, selling on the trading post.

Tommy: No, no, it's all fine. But I was thinking about the, um, listening to podcasts walking into work.

Josh: You do that, right?

Tommy: Yes. If you're listening to a podcast right now, or you are walking, or, you know, you know, this is great. But what I discovered was specific types of podcasts, i.e., um, news, opinion, editorial, sort of like that sort of mix, I can't listen to before starting work because I just get so worked up about, like, they'll say something, I'm like, hang on, this is only half the story. Like, shouldn't you mention this bit? Or what about this bit? I'm like, you can't do anything. And that was— I nearly had to catch myself where I'm like, when I walk in, I'm not going to bring it up. Yeah. Because like, you could easily then completely derail the day.

George: Yeah. Yeah.

Josh: And so what have you been— what the fuck have you been listening to?

Tommy: Well, no, so I did that today. Like, so I've been trying to listen to, like, so broaden the scope of stuff I'm listening to.

Josh: I mean, anything, like anything. If I'm thinking reality shows, people putting spins on them. If there's a podcast about gossip or what else is there? I mean, just you need to get into fiction.

Tommy: All made up.

Josh: Yeah, you need to get into fiction. Like, because then it's just like you can throw out anything they ever say because it's like made up. I mean, it doesn't matter. No offence to podcasters.

Tommy: But I don't trust any podcasters to make something like— What sort of person makes— What's an example of a made-up podcast?

Josh: Oh, Dan Ilic's podcast that he's on.

Mason: So, the audio— The Audible series.

Josh: Okay. So, you can't get it.

Mason: That's not really—

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: But yeah. So, there's a— That's a satirical. Yeah, I guess.

Josh: There's another one. There's another one. The two girls, Kate and Kate, that do the cooking show. They're on a— on a comedy sketch podcast that has a, you know, narrative, but it's all fiction.

Tommy: Yeah, I don't know. What do you think, George?

George: I mean, yeah, I listen to a lot of comedy podcasts before work just to wake up and—

Tommy: Any fiction?

Mason: Get in the mood.

George: Well, probably the closest would be Aunty Donna, but that's sketch comedy. That's improv the whole time. Which is just fun. And silly.

Josh: I mean, then the question is, like, you like that, George. Like, you're a comedy guy. He is, you know, he's comedy.

Tommy: We know, funny boy.

Josh: We know all of this. But Josh, you don't like— like, you're drawn to non-fiction, you're drawn to the sort of stuff that makes you think about the real world.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So how— so then it's like you need to You need a murder mystery. You need to delve hard into audiobooks that are all BS.

Tommy: Yeah. Well, when the Crime Channel first came to Foxtel, I was like addicted to that. I'd watch it all the time.

Josh: But it's really good stories.

Tommy: Yeah, but I was all crimed out. I feel like by the time I was like 16, I was like, I get how that, like, I know what's going to happen here. The guy's going to murder the woman. It's going to be really sad. Yeah.

Josh: So, what do you want? What are you craving? Because otherwise there's nothing. Like, what are you listening to?

Tommy: Well, this is my problem. I feel like I spend—

Josh: You have to bear the sound of the real world.

Tommy: I've been listening to a lot of Pete Murray, obviously.

Mason: But yeah, it's making its way into the family recommendations.

Tommy: Oh, really?

Mason: Yeah. On Spotify, there's a whole playlist based on what you and Bri listen to.

Tommy: He's on my Spotify family. Actually worked out last night, uh, that someone we had on the family account that's, that's not family, they were able to make purchases or whatever. Like, you know, fixed it up though. Hang on, on our Apple. So we shit now, wasn't it? So it was like sharing a, um, like our Apple family thing, but I didn't realise it gives all these other rights.

Josh: Had they made a purchase?

Tommy: Yeah, just a small one. So we fixed it.

Josh: Hang on, wait, you fixed that by asking them to Pay for it?

Tommy: Yeah, we just got them off.

Josh: But you didn't say—

Mason: Hang on, you—

Tommy: I don't know. I left it for Bri. It was one of Bri's friends.

Josh: I was like, hey, she definitely hasn't followed that up. Like, I get it, I get it. But yeah, hopefully. I mean, you give the person the benefit of the doubt that—

Tommy: Well, that was definitely a subscription. Yeah, no, it was like a— It was an iCloud storage thing, so I'm sure it just like ticked over. It's fine. Yeah. No, I find that the whole podcast and Netflix and Stan and Docplay and Binge, all these different things like Disney Plus, Apple Plus, Apple TV Plus. Like there's too many things. And even this weekend I was like, I'm going to just chill, have a real lazy day, like a couple of days.

Josh: Did you?

Tommy: No, I ended up having some issues with spam on one of our websites. And so what was happening, what was happening was on Sunday I get this email from someone. They say, piss off. Right. I was like, beg your pardon, who's this? Sent from iPhone. I'm like, okay, it was someone that had a BigPond account. And so what had happened was— yeah, exactly. Sent from Microsoft Teams.

Mason: No.

Tommy: So what had happened was we had a form on one of our sites. And when you submit the form, you get an email back confirming that we've got your email. Yes. We didn't have a spam protection mechanism on that, like a CAPTCHA. And so what was happening was a bot was going through, putting in random people's email addresses and then putting their spam, what they're trying to send to them in that and then click submit. And that was getting our email server to send that person an email from us saying, being like a confirmation email, but it was all that bullshit data.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: And so I realised that on Sunday. And so my Sunday, it always—

Mason: I mean, how many were there?

Tommy: 55,000 emails. Yeah, so annoying. And so it was just—

Josh: how many piss-offs did we get?

Tommy: Only one.

Josh: That's good odds.

Tommy: And so it was annoying.

George: So that was being sent to real people?

Tommy: Yeah.

George: Oh no, you've done a me.

Josh: Where did that— so hang on, let me just work this out. So the bot has— and it's not Charles from Discord— the bot that was running this input of email and then a message, they're random email addresses. Yeah, so they've stolen or taken—

Tommy: yeah, they've found a list, and then so they want an they want to use another server to be able to send all of these emails. Yeah. And so it was, it was very annoying. And then so it sent me on a, um, a whole day of updating stuff on the website and doing, you know, so did you write back and say sorry to the guy that told us? No, because the thing is, it wasn't, it wasn't really, it wasn't us. Yeah, like I didn't want to have to enter into it and explain like Mate, your data's somewhere. And the thing is, it wasn't— we weren't even compromised. Like, nothing was compromised from our email perspective. They were just using a little thing that they could, like, yeah.

Josh: Hey, what's that website you can cheque if your password has been breached?

Mason: I've been pawned, I think.

Tommy: PWN, like owned, pawned.

Josh: Is it legit?

Mason: Yeah, it's legit.

Josh: Like, is it safe?

George: Yes.

Josh: Why is it so— because you're just putting your email address, an email address or something, and it will tell you if it's been compromised. So email address, I mean, I'm just going to do this quickly, just put my—

Tommy: so what's the URL?

Josh: It's haveibeenpwned.com. Have I been pwned?

Tommy: And so you'll put in your email address and it'll go through all the databases and it will, uh, tell you whether you've been Uh, if you've been compromised. So Adobe was famous.

Josh: No porn.

Tommy: Oh, that's good. I mean, not porn.

Josh: No, not porn.

Tommy: Have you heard the story?

Mason: Oh no, Canva.

Tommy: Oh, Canva.

George: Yeah, yeah, same.

Mason: Also, I did have Adobe, but I went through and deleted that.

Tommy: GB, did you hear about the, um, one of the tactics what they do is, um, because it will tell the password. Like, there's the passwords accessible, right? Like, you won't be able to see it there because they're sort of trying to protect you, but you can get passwords and all this sort of stuff. And so what spammers were doing was they were basically sending emails to people. I got one of these emails and it's— and it says, hi, the, the, the subject line, you're right, the, the subject line is your, um, password, right? And so it catches you off guard, like, what the fuck is this? And the email— I'm not even joking, Tommy's dad got the same email— it's—

Josh: that was real—

Tommy: uh, we've hacked into your computer and we have webcam footage of you masturbating to pornography. You need to pay us through this link now, otherwise we're going to release the video.

George: Oh my God.

Tommy: So I emailed back, I said, release it. I'm releasing it, releasing the video before you. Right. Obviously, obviously I didn't. But imagine being like someone who has no idea about this shit. Oh, and then thinking about it and connecting dots and being like, what do they got?

Josh: Oh, my mum separated from my dad. No, no, no, no. But they knew.

Tommy: I mean, but it was, I'm sure it was like that. Do you reckon this is a scam?

Josh: I don't have a webcam. I mean, this is why people put the little dots over your laptop, over the camera.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, isn't that a fucked up story? Yeah, that's crazy.

George: How much were they asking? $3,000?

Tommy: I don't know. Yeah, it was, it was all through, um, you made that up, but it was all, it sounds reasonable. Uh, it was all through a, uh, like a Bitcoin sort of scenario. You'd have to have Bitcoin.

Josh: They'd have to find the right person who has Bitcoin who is doing that weird shit online. Um, you were telling me about 15 Minutes of Shame, Georgie boy. Oh yeah, Tim Minchin, comedian.

Tommy: What is that? I don't know.

Josh: It sort of plays into the realm of if that ever happened, you had something leak like that where you weren't planning on it. What's that?

Tommy: What is it?

Josh: What's the storey behind that? What he talks about, the 15 Minutes of Shame.

George: Oh, the storey is just, it's a song that he's written. It was a while ago. He wrote it like maybe 2 years ago or something. But it's just about this cancel culture and everyone digging up dirt on each other. Something that was said maybe 10 years ago as Twitter status or whatever that's been dug up.

Josh: Photos.

George: And it's just everyone will have their 15 minutes of shame where you'll just get hounded and there's Yeah, it's almost like these days there's no ability to change. It's just like once you've said it, that's who you are.

Tommy: What do you think? So, there were— I was reading an article about a guy who, a bit of a fraudster, was written about in the newspaper and he served his time and then he went on a massive campaign to get the newspaper that wrote the articles about him taken down. Interesting. He ended up getting in trouble by the Federal Police because he made bomb threats and whatnot. But he—

Josh: Back to his old tricks.

Tommy: So, the question is, do you think that you should at some point get to erase history? Or do you, like, do you think that newspapers should stay up forever?

Josh: Oh, it depends on what you've done. But then, then even that, so I think there has to be something that's removed from looking at what individual cases— this is the thing about media, they— there's no— who's it governed by in terms of— yeah, the— you could pull something up and then our own social media, like you, if you— if there's people being cancelled, fired for tweeting hashtags Rightfully so. Like, not, not maybe not rightfully so, but it depends on the hashtag. Depends on the hashtag. But it's, it's, it is a crazy thought that just writing something, you're gone.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: Well, I know there was a financial advisor that I knew through a friend of a friend, and they were on A Current Affair for being dodgy.

George: Oh.

Tommy: And so anyway, I remember being chased down. Yeah, like the whole time. Really? And so What's that word? Oh yeah, Jess uses it.

Josh: Yeah, producer Jess uses it where they're chasing it. Excuse me, you know, you've been defrauding people and they're trying to— she knows somebody who does it. We need them on the show.

Tommy: Definitely. The— but anyway, what was very interesting about that specific person was I was Googling them and you can see the Current Affair article or whatever.. And then there's all of these puff pieces, blog posts that he's hired. There's services that you can hire that will try and SEO your name to get out, like to basically muddy all of that sort of stuff. And so they're using like setting up blogs and calling them different, bouncing, it's called. Jess said bouncing. Yeah. And so I loved that. That was, that was good. She slapped us. Great.

Josh: Thanks, Jess.

George: How's the weather in Bendigo?

Tommy: Um, yeah, but they, uh, yeah, so basically a huge, like, just written all about, about him, all these different articles.

Josh: Is it reputation management?

Tommy: Yes, yes. Yeah, but it's like, it's so obvious from someone who like sees it because it's like the person's name.blogspot.com.wordpress, and then they've got like a prezi presentation about like why they're great.

Josh: Yeah. Well, I was listening to someone over the weekend, which it's very much falls into the category of listen and it will consume your, you know, feelings on the world. And it was just about how everything's been cancelled and it will be a point where it's cancelled so far that it's a rebuilding. So it's like everything, it goes so far that it's like it's only can go back up. It has to readjust and build back up.

Tommy: We're talking about that the other day, cancelling cancel. Culture. Cancel culture. Which is, it's, I mean, its own thing. Um, do you think that we'll ever get cancelled?

Josh: I think someone will try to do something, but I mean, the realm that we play in, I don't think is sort of right for cancelling. Like, it's not happening as much.

Tommy: That's what everyone says. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Josh: If you have a podcast about Politics.

Tommy: We've said a lot of things though. We've had like, we've been talking like every day for 2 and a half years. Surely there's something to be cancelled on.

Mason: Yeah, I reckon there could be something easily stitched together.

Josh: Oh, I bet that's right.

Tommy: Montage.

Mason: Yeah.

Josh: So, uh, Michelle Laurie says that she's been cancelled, which I'd love to have Michelle on the show.

Tommy: She cancelled herself. Is that what you're saying?

Josh: Well, I just saw— I follow her on Facebook and she said, I've already been cancelled, so— and then went into something that was, you know, hot topic. Like she— and I think she writes some really great stuff. But yeah, it's a weird one where— so this podcast I was listening to, it was like outrage and that as an emotion shouldn't be listened to. And it would be one of the more prominent feelings that definitely shouldn't be what people decide, you know, like their outcome or their thinking is decided upon their level of outrage internally as an emotion.

Tommy: Well, if you think about like, you know, you don't send an email or call someone when you're feeling really emotional. We probably shouldn't cancel people either.

Josh: When they're emotional and feeling that way.

Tommy: But then I guess there's justified, like the problem with all of this is there's justified I, I do love the, um, Jon Ronson book So You've Been Publicly Shamed because they talk about all of this. Have you read that, GB?

George: No, but my brother read it after hearing you talk about it. He loves it.

Josh: So good.

Tommy: Yeah, it's a, um, it's very good because it gives— it looks at things that have happened, you know. I think the book's maybe 4 years old or whatever it is. It's just, you can see that this is just a cyclical thing. It's just constantly happening. It's like the Um, it obviously feels right now like we're in a bit of a, um, a pressure cooker of, you know, cancelling. I get— I think that also I wonder how much of this is connected with mental health, us cancelling Friday night drinks. How much, how much of it is that we're all feeling not that great? Everyone's like not their best version, and then we're asking everyone to like coexist and co-create and have a conversation when you're not feeling the best.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, and it's also the, the time, the isolation, like mental health is— do you think there is a mental health crisis now, or is it, or has it been there before all of this happened and now it's coming to the surface and we're talking about it more and That's what I, I can't tell. Like, I hear about— hearing some horrible storeys about some young people and suicide over the weekend, and I'm thinking, is it like, is it a thing of now? And then I was thinking about my experience and all my friends in the past that have, you know, done that. And it's like, oh, I don't know. Like, are we less equipped with this, with the internal skill set now than we were 15 years ago when I was a 15-year-old.

Tommy: There's more depth because there's more depth and we're more aware of injustice. And because we're like, all of a sudden, uh, when we've been immune to issues based on our own privilege or what we get exposed to, now that we're getting exposed to all of that, we're starting to all of a sudden— the systems are like, oh, these don't seem fair. This is like the, um, The stuff on all the statue stuff that they're talking about, it's like, okay, you know, you're taught in school all this stuff about James Cook and then you've got like, there's one thing to be like, okay, reeducate. Like, we need to actually properly have a better understanding of our history. But then we also have to look around and say, oh, well, that statue there represents all these different negative things.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: So, so then it's like, can you have progress this is what I was listening to on the way here, you know, can you have progress with keeping them up and then building new statues, or do you need to knock them down? And the point of, um, uh, what one, uh, person was saying was it was like, if Black Lives Matter, then you need to be saying, okay, well, is this statue, is that a Does that go against Black Lives Matter? And so, does that mean that we should be removing it?

Josh: Yes. What's that network that you're showing me? So, Warner Brothers have put a slate at the front of some of their shows.

George: Like their early cartoons, the ones from like the 1940s have a lot of racial prejudice in them. And so, they've put a disclaimer at the start. That basically says, uh, these cartoons are presented as they were made in the time. They don't align with Warner Brothers. They were wrong back then and they're wrong now, but to remove them would be the same as ignoring that they ever existed. I think that's pretty like a pretty good way of talking about it. Like, yeah, just taking it down and getting rid of it is just— I don't think that's progressing the conversation.

Josh: Without it being an opportunity to educate. I mean, it's like, fuck, if they're prime spot in centre of London or, you know, here in Melbourne, it's like, what is a version of using it as a tool to educate and say how misaligned or misguided we all were from an educational standpoint? I mean, I think that has more impact than just like removing and a kid never saying, "Mummy, who's that?" or, you know, an opportunity for Mum to say, that is blah blah blah, Dad to say he's a gronk, the worst kind.

Tommy: I guess that the, the, these things seem nuanced, and I understand that there's, uh, I think that that's the hard thing that we're experiencing is that there's, there's nuance, but for certain things we should take a no, um, we should— by being nuanced, potentially that could be deemed racist as well. So if you, uh, so for instance, so on the Black Lives Matter stuff, it's like you can understand all lives matter, you can understand that as a concept, right? All lives matter, it's like, of course, right? But then the, the problematic bit is that's a way of knocking down what's currently happening with Black Lives Matter. And so it's— there's all this nuance where you can easily take a misstep. Or like, I am—

Josh: and then, so for instance, the All Lives Matter builds, it's got groundswell within the far right. And so then it's like immediately labels, and the people that are, I think, like using it misguidedly, uh, getting pulled into that and they haven't done themselves the due diligence of looking at what the fuck it all means.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And it's like, and that's what people get. That's the hashtag that people are being fired and canceled.

Tommy: But I think that the part of it is it's like, okay, being cancelled is being— is better than being killed. And so that if we have to deal with being canceled, potentially.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, but that's not the conversation that Well, I guess that, that like, there is a bunch of that, which is like, okay, if it's, if, um, if we're willing to— like, I guess I'm not worried about the cancelling thing because it's like, okay, I'm gonna say what I think to be true through my perspective right now. I realise that I'm not always going to be right, and I'm open to learning I feel like from a cancel perspective, like, doesn't that— that makes things pretty clear.

George: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, how can you—

Mason: what else can you do?

Tommy: Yeah. Unless, unless you are— the only way that you're going to be cancelled is it's like, I am not willing to change 100% perspective on this.

Josh: Yeah. I think there's a massive education piece for people that are saying and strongly defending no, all those. Like, there is a huge piece of work that I think that kind of person needs to needs to make.

Tommy: So is— but is cancel culture then overstated? Like, is there actually way less risk to can— So what is— what does cancel culture cause?

Josh: Lost jobs. Um, you know, it's so— it's like being associated with somebody who, who gets cancelled or says something like a LA Galaxy soccer player's wife made us— made some comment on Twitter he got fired. He lost his job based on her words and what she chose to say. I guess I'm just telling you the effect of someone being canceled, what it could mean.

Tommy: And so I guess the, the other perspective is around, okay, we've got systems where we've been able to— just by design of the system, you get a leg up. And so this, I guess, is the opposite, where it's like, oh, you can— if the system's fucked already, if the way that we got our job was based on all of these privileges from where we grew up, to our upbringing, all of that sort of stuff, it feels like the cancelling isn't necessarily that much of an issue.

Josh: Well, I think it is an issue for— and but that's not to say it's an issue for the individual.

Tommy: Do you think that the majority— so who's doing it? Like, who's doing the canceling?

Josh: Cancelled is an issue for an individual.

Tommy: Who says who's getting cancelled?

Josh: What do you mean?

Tommy: Well, I get like, what does it mean to be cancelled?

Josh: So cancelling is like losing your job, or, um, yeah, it could be pushed out from any potential of a role. I don't know what it means for Michelle Laurie when she says, 'I've been cancelled.' Like, she gets attacked online for talking about anything. I mean, it's like the people who are up for having these conversations at a public level— I think it— we— I'm just— my point of saying what it meant to be cancelled, I don't think it needs any kind of explanation of why it was worth it. It's just there's a bunch of things that people are being cancelled for. I mean, the word that you mean, the term cancelled has even started to get groundswell about the loss of what it even means.

Tommy: But that's exactly what I'm saying. Like, so the cancelled thing is like, is Pete Evans has been cancelled, but does it actually, like, what does it actually mean to Pete Evans? Is he like still in like a hyperbaric chamber at home, like enjoying life? Like, what's that? Like, what is cancelling? What does that actually mean?

Josh: I mean, what does it mean if you look up being cancelled, what does it mean? Is it from the main— like, think about people who it usually refers to is people in the media, people in the celebrities, or—

Tommy: But mainstream is also getting completely shaken up. And so cancelling makes a lot of sense within the context of mainstream. But if everyone's going to go into their bubbles and have their place like anyone that's cancelled.

Josh: Here we go, do you want me to tell you what being cancelled means? To cancel somebody, usually a celebrity or well-known figure, means to stop giving support to that person. The act of cancelling could entail boycotting an actor's movies or no longer reading or promoting a writer's work.

Tommy: And so J.K. Rowling got cancelled last year, didn't she? Yeah, she did. Transgender stuff, really having opinions on all of that stuff. Yeah, I don't know, like the— I was watching. Yeah, what are you gonna say?

George: Oh no, I just like Tim Minchin actually talks about it really well on Willosophy's latest one. And it's just about people that like, we understand why Black Lives Matter is the right thing to say and All Lives Matter is the wrong thing to say. But for a lot of the people that are just saying, "Hang on, don't all lives matter?" Like, they are coming at it with like the right intent. And then to just yell at them and say, "You're a racist, you idiot," is actually— It's not that like— It actually has some scientific backing that that will make them double down and be like, "I've been put in this box." It's not the way to educate people to move forward. Like, I don't know, people need the space to be educated.. And just yelling at them and calling them a racist and cancelling them, I don't think is the right way to do it.

Tommy: But I also think that like, we can only make decisions or think the way we think based on the knowledge that we have right now. And so, that's the other thing. It's like, I think that so much of this is based on dogma that our thinking is going to be stagnant or the way we're going to think is always going to be the same.

George: And it's also about lecturing people, you know, on information that you've only just learnt yourself. I can't believe you don't know this, you idiot. Like, well, you only learnt it last week. So, yeah, give me the time to read stuff and listen to things rather than just calling me an idiot.

Tommy: I was watching a doco last night by, do you know Stacey Dooley? She's an British documentary filmmaker. It's— she's great. She's— it was on Stan. I've never watched any of her docos before, but she did a, um, a doco on sex offenders in Florida. And when they finish their time, where do they go?

Josh: Oh, Louis did one of those similar.

Tommy: And so Louis' one was a little bit more like a halfway house. Yeah, that's it. They're all in the house. You remember they had to like fuck it. It was crazy shit.

Josh: Yeah. And there was a past paedophile that was like, in charge of the house, reformed. But then like, I think it was just like a power maniac, like running this house. Mate, you're late. You're grounded.

Tommy: So, anyway, but the— I mean, the interesting thing is it's like, that is, I guess, an example around things aren't black and white. Things are like, there's so much nuance to everything. And so, they show this like, okay, you can't— a child, a young per— like, they can't defend themselves. Like, they've fucked someone's life. They've, like, ruined a young person's life. And so based on the law, especially in, in Florida, it's like, you don't— like, you're done. Like, even, even if you've got your time or whatever, there's no more, uh, for you in regards to— like, some of the laws are that you can't live, um, within the community where there's going to be kids. And so what ends up happening is there's these, um, tent cities just basically of sex offenders that are there, um, you know, staying throughout the night and all that sort of thing. But I just thought it was like a nuanced— it was this weird nuanced piece where she was building these characters as like they're humans, uh, but then they've done this thing that is horrendous and disgusting and, and can't, like, and can't be forgiven in, in the way that we look at society. Um, because it's like, you can't risk them hurting another individual. But it's like, how complicated is that? Like, you're talking about cancel culture, whatever, and then you look at, like, the system as a whole and look at all of these areas.

Josh: Yeah, just, um, serious criminals that, like, what is— is there a place for them to recover or rehabilitate out of that life? I mean, yeah, it's so hard.

Tommy: And so there's been like a very clear line around like, no, you do it and it's done. And then they, um—

Josh: yeah, isn't it weird that laws vary? So there's an Aussie guy who's just been sentenced to death in China for importing, uh, 7kg of ice.

Tommy: Yeah, seems like a lot of ice.

Mason: Well, I think someone else did like 20, but you then you do that, I think, and only got like 15 years, I think, in China.

Josh: Yeah, but then you do it here, import. Yeah, that you're not getting death, you're not getting life. 8 years maybe or something.

Tommy: It's also interesting what gets the news, like what, like the news cycle and what everyone's talking about and what's the Like, there's definitely an oversimplification that can happen. Like, I've caught myself listening to something and then hearing the— I think that the dangerous bit about news is not what's being said, it's what's not being said. Like, you hear a storey and then you're like, oh, this is— but then you hear it over somewhere else. I guess that's why, like, consuming different media is good. But you're like, oh wow, like, you've completely 'You missed this specific—' Like, you are refusing to talk about this specific bit. And the only reason you would do that is to try and convince the reader or the listener. Yeah. That of your specific opinion.

Josh: I mean, there's a mo— If you were to just objectively look at the past 3 months of news relating to coronavirus, it was serious. It is serious. But you can also see how they used the media. When I say they, tactics that played into human emotion of, you know, think about that time. I, it was probably 3, 4 weeks I was refreshing the fucking news site every, every 5 minutes. And I, like, you know what you're looking for.

Tommy: So is news an ally to positive change? So for instance, does the news give a fuck? So the thing is that, like, do the news actually care about what's currently happening, or are they saying it because like COVID was an issue and then overnight it was no longer an issue? And then you see, uh, protests happening, you see all this stuff happening, and then like I'm connecting the dots of like what was said last week, which is like, okay, African Americans are dying based on COVID-19. Like, you know, they were, um, a group that was significantly represented in COVID deaths. And then to see, uh, people protesting, it's like, it's a very hard thing. Like, there was— it didn't seem like there was much conversation around it. It was obviously all over this one area, and it seems like a hard conversation to have. Like, it's hard to— my perspective has been, it's like, it's a very personal decision that I feel like protesting um, it's extremely personal. There could be huge consequences from a health perspective, but I feel like in this case, it's like the— whatever's being protested over there outdoes my opinion on, on this thing. It feels like a personal thing. But just the, the way that the media, I think, covered it, I was like, oh, like I almost had whiplash.

Mason: Yeah, flick of the switch.

Josh: Yeah, it's just Which, which then makes you think about if you were to look at like how they approach these things, it's like, what's everyone talking about? Like, I've worked in a news, in a media outlet that just looked left to see what other people were doing, and then, well, there's the leader or the person that's found where the momentum is, and then we jump on that. And so that is the case for a lot of these. It's like, what is the storey that has got momentum? What is the interest at a society level? And then let's— we have to talk about that. And so that's where it isn't like you're saying, there's a bunch of stuff that's missed. Yeah. I mean, and all you need to do, George and I did this last week. We're looking at like a more right-leaning website news outlet versus a left-leaning outlet. And you look at the headlines and you just read through them. Them. And you can see where this one, the left is swayed towards talking about X and the right drops that and talks about this. And it's like, well, if you're just— you are going to be a, you know, uh, you're in— if you're in the echo chamber of more right-leaning media, it's going to be consuming you.

Tommy: But, and there's so much nuance even around like, um, our sort of approach in putting things into boxes. So for instance, like, um, Black Lives Matter, we put into the box of justice, and then we put it into minorities, and we put it into like all those different sort of boxes. But there's a bunch of people that are like, stop putting LGBTQI issues with, uh, the, you know, racial debate and things like that. So it's like extremely complex. Um, and it's, I guess, like the framing that I'm looking at everything is like just like what, what seems like just, or what's— where does the justice lie in it all? And that feels like it's a little bit more sort of pragmatic in its approach rather than looking at them like— it shouldn't be whether you think that, you know, uh, uh, it, it doesn't actually matter about your personal opinion whether you think that, uh, same-sex couples should get married. It's like you, you actually need to zoom out and be like 'No, this is like human rights, justice, all of that sort of shit.' If only people did that more often.

Josh: I don't think it— I don't think— yes, I've been caught up in things, you know, specific topics that I haven't done that properly well. I think you— I think it is a learned skill to be doing that, to— what am I feeling right now? Why am I feeling uncomfortable? And then what's— what's— if you zoom out from that where does it fit within progress of the world? And because I don't think you can say that you can't have a political— you can't— this is how political parties thrive, is the right, the left, the Democrats, the Republicans. Like, people have ways of thinking about things that they strongly support. That's why Trump got in, because people strongly agreed with him on many things. Is that to say that that is the right? Because there's a bunch of people that say he's completely wrong. Yeah. And so that's where it's like, does it— I mean, who has a friend that's highly political? I was watching last night on Facebook, but it feels like the political bit is the— everything's political. Like, the Black Lives Matter movement is a political— has a political tone to it. It feels like it has to, like it all fits into into it. I'm not saying it's— I, I'm removed. I'm watching somebody who posted a thing saying blacklist the term— to blacklist somebody is a racial— has a racial undertone. And then I saw someone go, and he— some guy jumped in and started racing, writing like—

Tommy: we read the same comments. Did you? Yeah.

Josh: I mean, at one moment I was like, these guys have lost hours of their life, and then there's me, like, hours of my life. I was like, oh Oh my God, I didn't engage, but I was like, one was like, mate, there's nothing, there's, you know, you can't back that up. And I couldn't understand why the argument was happening and it just seemed so weird. But I mean, that's one snapshot of one thread online of where people, and you know, it is political, it is kind of like ideologies that are coming into play there. One's trying to, you know, go with facts. The other one's like, you know, the left are predominantly more pushing a feeling and the rights are more facts. They're like trying to bring in, you know, to outdo you with, this isn't what happened. And it's like, yeah, but how— what does that mean? Even if that is the case, how does that play for someone and how they feel? Like, it's— oh, it's— I mean, this is where you need to just go listen to some fiction. Just get out of it.

Tommy: Get out of this world a little. Made up stuff. I can't even— Willy Wonka. I can't listen. Well, I think Willy Wonka's problematic now. Oh shit. Yeah, and also J.K. Rowling, can't listen, read any Harry Potter. Yeah, Lion King. I got it, I got it.

Josh: Toy Story. I watched Toy Story 1, 2, 3, 4 on the weekend.

Tommy: Not really, um, your vibe.

Josh: No, it is. I got one for you. Yeah, uh, upside down, upside down, upside down. Some really great kids' films. Bodie's been getting right into them. He loved Elsa.

Tommy: Frozen. Frozen's good. Can we sit on the Frozen? Frozen's good because she discovers like a sisterhood or like the power of your sister. It's not like all the other princess and prince things are based on like the guy comes and saves.

Josh: And I think like you got two sides to a bridge and you know where the linking factor is. There's some line in it. I was like, that's kind of cute. You know, Elsa couldn't do it without Anna.

Mason: Also, Tunes on Spotify. Tunes? Tunes, sorry. They've got their Tunes on Spotify. Oh, that's— you can listen to Frozen.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, I can get around that.

Tommy: Oh yeah, yeah, album on Spotify. Any other final thoughts, JB?

George: Anything? No, I think that's good.

Tommy: Okay, we're trying to get, um, we're in regards to all of the, uh, the guests that we have on.

Mason: We want to have more diverse guests.

Tommy: It is like, it does take, um, it does take more time. Like, it actually, like, it's, it's embarrassing to say it, but like, we need to spend more time working all that stuff out. Um, so yeah, it's, it's something of like, we're doing the work now, but you won't actually necessarily see it coming to fruition for a little bit as we sort of manage everyone's, uh, schedules and things like that. Anyway, that was a heavy breath from me.

Josh: It's continuing the party into the next weekend.

Tommy: Yeah, it's just continuing the weekend. Yeah, the week continues. Yes.

Josh: Hey, um, licence testing resumes. I just got an email from VicRoads. I don't know why I got one, but Sevs, yep, in the coming months we'll get you your license. Great.

Tommy: I don't know if that's true, but it's a Daily Talk Show.

Josh: I want him to.

Tommy: Uh, see you tomorrow, everyone. Have a good one. See you guys. Enjoy the rest of your day. Bye.