#719 – Laura Henshaw & Stephanie Miller (KIC) – 24 Hour Live Stream/
- May 7, 2020
Laura Henshaw and Steph Claire Smith have built an incredible community with their company Keep It Cleaner. It was created with a philosophy to empower women to be confident in their own skin, promoting self-love and sustainable healthy choices. Now, Keep It Cleaner has millions of followers world-wide, provides at home work-out routines & recipes and stocks over 100 products in Australian supermarkets.
We chat about why the girls started Keep It Cleaner, working in a duo, what they’ve learnt from each other, finding confidence within yourself and dealing with feedback!
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show, we discuss:
– Working in isolation
– Keep It Cleaner balls
– Favourite cuisines
– Keep It Cleaner’s purpose
– Separating work life from home life
– Laura’s old job at Subway
– The KIC team
– Working in a duo & dealing with outside comparisons
– What they’ve learnt from each other
– Finding confidence within yourself
– Dealing with feedback
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 719 Georgie boy here taking over for the week while the boys have a bit of a rest because we finished our 24 hour live stream. And now I'm just releasing all of the interviews one by one. And we're up to stiff and Laura from keep it cleaner. This is one of my favourites all day, there's so much fun. I really think you're going to enjoy this one. If it is your first time listening and you're joining us because you've seen their names. Fair enough. makes total sense. But maybe go to the daily talk show.com afterwards and check out some of our other chats. We've done over 700 episodes. There's got to be something there that you'd like, you know, we've had Telly Smyth on the show a bunch of times. The girls from shameless has always posted like there'll be something but for now enjoy this one. This is Stephen Laura. Oh, here we go.
Here we go.
They're in the building. The girls are here. Yeah.
we're fired up. We're fired up with 16 hours to go. It's all a bit we've we've had a, we've had a big day we have Pete Murray on. We've had Michelle, the CMO and now you guys are here. How are you? How you going in ISO
grid going? If we like were business partners but also best friends so it has been weird not getting too salesy or how gauzy every day.
And so what have you been doing? Are you going on more sort of zoom? Do you do like evenings zoom type things? What's the deal?
We've been on zoom pretty much all day. It is it's so funny. It's quite tiring being on zoom. It's I feel like it's more consuming, trying to like work out who's talking and what's going on, compared to being in person so that's I think, one of the biggest things we miss about the team obviously saying them and yeah, cuz we are saying them every David, it's
it's absolutely seamless because you're doing one for one. I mean, our approach in interviews is one for one, but as the hours have gone on, Josh and I have about our eyes, and, and so you're throwing that
why don't we do three, three?
So, in terms of screen time, has gone up astronomically when it comes to social media outside of work stuff.
Maybe it is EU laws, I reckon, because, I don't know. I feel like I'm not spending as much time on social media. I don't feel like I'm as inspired to do it as much as pushing through kick. But I have been, I suppose it's the same when I'm looking at a TV screen like I've been watching a lot of Netflix and stuff like that. So it's technically still screen time.
So, Laura, Wait, where's your screen time sit?
Mine's high, but I spend a lot of time on the phone. And that contributes to the screen time. So we feel better that it's not just all Instagram, but it definitely has gone up Fishel.
What I think what you're getting away with Steph is that your screentime is not logged on the activity like you can just check. Check your phone. What about um, what about calorie consumption? For you girls, what has it gone up? Or is it stayed the same?
Don't count. Calories, sorry, the
kick is all about not focusing on the calories of the fruit more about what we're eating. So I've definitely been baking a lot more but that's okay. It's been fun. I love baking. And I'm sure I think because we're not in a normal routine of you know, having breakfast, lunch and dinner for us kind of by what's happening in the world. Today it's more just we're kind of just sitting down like where my offices I'm sitting next to the pantry and the fridge. So I think food is kind of closer to us. And so with snacks I find I'm stacking more but I'm not too worried about it. I think the most important thing is I suppose to get through this time and if our bodies change a little bit doesn't matter.
Yeah. What about like the the cape it kind of bowls? How many of you think is okay to sort of have a single
go to what sort of?
I heard you talking about it earlier?
Yeah. Is it like is three to many in a sitting?
Why is it also? Okay. Yeah.
I mean, as a meal replacement, probably not ideal. You wouldn't encourage him the bolts as a meal replacement.
Snack i think is probably what we would recommend to Yes, but sometimes I find that if I am on the Gordon's stuff is the same, especially before we Cat if you don't eat before you workout in the morning, instead of having like a big breakfast, having one of the bowls is good, but then make sure you eat a proper meal after that.
Six we had in the contract once Josh, it's that was no good. Nice, stiff. What's been is there been any shift in your mental health? Have you put more emphasis on focusing on your mental health in this time?
Yeah, absolutely. I think I don't think I'm alone in it either have opened up to a lot of friends and stuff about it. And I think we're all we've got a lot more time and our hands to kind of listen to our own thoughts and sit in those thoughts and maybe reevaluate a few things we do in our lives and what we prioritise and I'm just trying to get through the tougher times by focusing on what I'm grateful for and continuing to check in with our awesome community. They're things that helped me kind of, I don't know, bring my Saturday back, but yeah, I've definitely found like some days I'm all good and then Not there's no worries in my mind in my own personal life. And I'm a bit of an introvert To be honest, like, and I do love home time. So that part of it isn't really worrying me but everything else, I think and I think because it's a forced thing you always want what you don't have and we'll want to be going out right now even if I'm usually the first person to say no, for some reason, all I want to do is go out right now. Um, so yeah, I think we're all going a bit like a bit of a roller coaster every day and it's just about taking it baby steps at a time. I suppose.
If you had one, I just wanted to get both of your thoughts if you could only eat one type of cuisine for the rest of your life. What cuisine would you pick and we'll start with you Laura.
Ah, that's so hot. What it Where does chocolate coming?
Yeah, look, it's pretty. It's pretty limiting. I feel like that would get get sick. Yeah.
Okay, well, okay, I'll choose something else and I'll go with Mexican. I'm such a big Mexican fan.
Right? What Do
you like me changes?
Okay, maybe I'm not such a Mexican fan because I've never heard of that.
If you do any sort of wall, you know, deliver or whatever. Where do you get your Mexican from?
Taco Bell. Oh no, just kidding.
I don't even know the name but i like i like tacos and nachos. Yeah, that's not a lot is it?
Mr. 97 has actually put kingma in his nachos. He does sort of the healthy nachos. Surely even from a key bit cleaner perspective. That's
the best match here is that without veggie tortilla chips?
Oh, yum, yum, yum. Well, that's not that's definitely not butchering it like Mr. 97.
Yeah. And you pass so Steph, you're you're if you had to Live with one cuisine for the rest of your life.
if if it was only one maybe Italian because I love pizza and pasta, all the good stuff.
I think I'm sort of doing good now to be honest. It's
what do you mean? Yeah, no worries. Josh brings the food questions are something slightly different. Laura, I mean, into your journey with keep it cleaner. And you know, the business that you have with staff. What has been a shift in the motivator behind the business because I feel like early dies they different to what they end up becoming, or is it stayed the same feet?
Yeah, that's such a good question. I think I mean, it started as a passion project. Stephanie. We started with an E book, and that's where it came from. And there was no I suppose intention to make it a full time job or to start a company and I suppose that is where the sweet has come in because now we have got an incredible team who works on it every day. We've got some amazing goals with the business that we never had from the outset. But I think the one thing that has stayed the same is why we do what we do. And I think the Why is the most important thing in the whole world. And for us, that is to help women live a healthier lifestyle without, you know, all the fast and the pressure and worrying about too much stuff because I think we have so much pressure on ourselves from social media as it is that we want I suppose with Keke Our main goal is to help women like empower them with all these different ways they can exercise and have fun with it. And then the same thing with all the recipes to make them easy, accessible and then also incorporate their mental health in there as well with with a guided meditation. So our wise definitely still the same.
How's it how things changed in regards to communication? So obviously, you're spending a lot of time on the phone as you say Like it people doing the same hours a kicker you sort of a throwing that all out the window.
Yeah, I mean, it's been it's it's been a My team is amazing. That's been something really awesome and something you spoke to Michelle about this morning, when you when you spoke to her about how the team has been working. Everyone has been doing amazing from home. And I think it's really changed the, I suppose our perspective on how a team can operate. And we're rethinking things like I mean, we'll still have an office, but it might look a little bit different than it did before. Because I think a home environment actually really can be a really productive place for the team. And we're just so lucky that everyone is so passionate about the brand. They're all they all work so hard, because we are still I suppose a start up we do move really fast. And I think that's for that reason. Everyone just has so much to do. So they are getting that done during the day. We're just we're trying to make sure though, that people still I think when you work from home and then you also live at your home, the barrier between stopping work and Having your your own time can get blurred. So we're trying to reinforce that with the team and make sure they do start working at, you know, a reasonable time and they still get the time to themselves and they're not glued to their laptop because that can be unhealthy.
Well, George has the opposite issue because he's currently he's sleeping at the office tonight, so 24 hours I think you just gonna have to deal with self separation things not happening.
It's work. And I just say, like, about two weeks ago, since being in isolation, I was like, I'm gonna do a workout. I don't really work out that much. So I asked my girlfriend Hannah if we could do a kick workout, and it destroyed me.
Like, for weeks
haven't actually done one seems
to work work claim with
pasta sauce the other night to
fan out I didn't really realise that you're gonna be so active that
he's, he's absolutely being relatable with food. And well done George. Well done my
friend What have you got?
Well, I want to ask more about when she used to work at Subway and how she was a Subway sandwich. Back in the day.
Well would you like to know
Italian urban shells that your fav?
No, really? I guess.
What's, what's your go to?
yeah. The thing normally about working at Subway. I mean,
the thing about working at Subway Has anyone else worked it?
I feel like I
know what you're gonna say once you work at Subway.
I did. I have to admit I mean I did do a few things like drop all the maples on the ground put them back in. Obviously, no one was it wasn't bad at the time, but things like that happen but you didn't smell like subway. Like I can't explain it to you. It wasn't that it was bad like health or safety. It was just you just get really over it and the only thing I didn't get over though is the cookie dough. It comes obviously frozen and you put it straight into the oven and we used to sit in the freezer and ate it. It was so good.
I love the fruit on the freezer thing. Did you guys ever do that? Like the Mac is birthday parties where you got to like, do a tour of the freezer? No. Did you actually actually a birthday party?
No, but I had plenty of friends that did. It was like an ice cream cake or party for guys.
Yeah. Yeah, but the whole
it's pretty funny. I don't know if they do that anymore. You know to around?
Absolutely not. There was
Donald's in Melbourne. They had like this underground section like that. If that's where you went stiff, but it was great. But the most serious, most serious chat, the, the baby that you've created being kick, you know, early days it's you girls bouncing ideas, you kind of your parents, you've got all the sort of love for it. And then it's about bringing people in to help parent your baby. What was that time start step of bringing those first people in and what were the fears that came up about letting someone co parent with you.
It's a funny way to put it. We actually always talk about kids if it was our baby, because it is like a priority. And now it is a baby, something that just grew from underneath us. And we want every kid to grow so fast. But when it came to, I suppose starting a bit of a team, it was something that we knew that we had to do like the plans that we had in place and the goals that we had for the business we couldn't do with just myself and Laura Obviously, there's a lot that we can do the pair of us but there's so many skills that we were lacking in areas of expertise that we just had no idea where to begin. So I think it really started with finding out who we could kind of partner with with the app, for example, we had to find a team that was going to be really good tech support and everything like that. And within that team, they helped us also and as well as business partners with the grocery side, which is a separate business, and they helped us as well in like, the initial kind of meetings with new people and setting up interviews and all that sort of stuff. And the thing that we I suppose both had to let go of was certain parts of the business like, I think at the start, we wanted to be across absolutely everything. And I suppose like anyone it would it takes time to kind of bring someone on that you have, you have that trust and respect and everything for but then it's like, making that switch of Okay, you've got this. I don't I don't need to help. Do a trust that you're going to do everything right and everything that's a bit scary at times. But we're so proud of the team that we have today. I've, I'm so proud that they are also passionate. as Laura said, it's really beautiful to see. It's just such a good group work so well together, and they take on responsibility and they take on hurdles and everything so well. And we're just really proud of our team and how it's how it's been growing.
With the Judo instead of having a partnership like you like you have, how do you deal with the outside comparison? So obviously, there's Tommy and myself, he has better hair than I do, which comes up a lot or there's, you know, there's a bunch of things that could come up. How have you worked out mechanisms or sort of a coping strategy individually, so that it doesn't feel that friction maybe staying with you, Laura?
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's so funny. I've never been asked that question before. It's a good one, I think in any partnership that can happen. But to be completely honest with you, I haven't ever felt, I think wouldn't because Steph and I started and our relationship is I mean, it would be the same as yours is built solely on respect for each other and what we can do and so for that reason, I've never felt like I've been compared to stuff in any way. I mean, we are so different and we own that, like, I'm probably way more waggy less stylish, you would say, just less I don't know what the word is like cheek like. But um, and then maybe a bit more like nerdy like I like more than numbers and things. Not that that's that's cool. Like, I'm just a bit on cool and it's cooler. And
maybe you made the uncle one of the cool one and that's cool. And so right like you just sort of
doesn't matter. I don't want to be you know,
The her pad I'm
Steph, what's it? What's the deal? what's the what's the planter bag?
Yeah, definitely. And then just go along with it. Like That was a nice answer. This was a nice moment. And you sort of you're creating beef. No. So is it? I mean, is there anything because it's less even internal? It's just that external thing, right? Which is, yeah, it's even as silly as that, like our who's the Amish and who's the end? Like, it doesn't matter with that whole Judo thing. Especially like, as Dude, you get get that a lot of it, you know, you get caught out for being tryhards or whatever. But like, Steph, do you have mechanisms to make sure that even maybe in a general sense, that sort of that external feedback doesn't get to?
Yeah, I mean, I think the thing is as Laura said, We are very different. So I feel like it's like comparing, you know, when you're comparing two different people, how are you supposed to do that? It's to be different. Like, we have two twins, you know, I have, I'm actually likely to have twins in my future. It's in my family. And the one thing that I get worried about with twin relationship, this is I'm sure that they could come up with, I suppose, coming to that kind of issue of being compared with each other when they're so similar. But we are so different. But I think the thing that we do have in common is our beliefs. And I suppose our goals and ambitions for the business so that our community can see that and at the end of the day, our community's the only kind of feedback we really want to listen to and care about. We know we hope we're always doing the right thing for them. And they love us both and for different reasons. We both bring different things to the table, but they do see that we genuinely both have that same care and love and respect, not just for the business for each other. So I don't know I think it's about ignoring The the outside, kind of, as Laura said, I've never heard this conversate this come up. But I can imagine there's obviously judgments out there. And I think it's just not worrying about that. That's the least of our worries, I think.
Well, I mean, is it a shared vision, and you can have different ways of going about doing things. So then it's like less of a comparison, because you're focusing on what the vision is that you share?
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
Yeah. Like we both have different strengths. And I think if we were both, if we both had the exact same strengths, then the business wouldn't have been able to kind of like lift off as the way it did. Obviously, we've got a team now that balances out those strengths and everything like that, and we do wear a couple of hats. But you know, Laura, she said she she's a numbers girl that kind of just goes in one ear and out the other for me. So I'm much more kind of like into and I gravitate towards, like the creative side of the business. And so whilst we are across everything, we both still have our strengths. So I just don't think you can really Compare
the old cigarette is a great app. That is it's really I mean, it's very basic, but it works. It's sort of Yeah, absolutely. What have you, Laura, what have you learned from Steph, what have you picked up? Because I guess being different, you could potentially pick up different skills or, or sort of insights. What's that been for you?
Yeah, for me, it's definitely confidence and owning who you are. When Steph and I met six or seven years ago, I think it is now stretch. Is that right?
Yeah. Six years, I think.
Yeah. The 60s ago. I was Steph was super confident like she just earned who she was. And I always looked up to her for that because I didn't and I think I have learnt that from Steph and that has been really pivotal, I suppose into changing or evolving into, I suppose the woman that I am today because there's no way I would wouldn't be doing all the things that I was doing without having that confidence within myself which I have learned so much from from Seth. What are
the foundations of confidence? Do you think Laura, while we're talking on confidence
I think the biggest one is just believing in yourself which I mean can sound so cliche but you need something that always sticks with me I read once that if you go into a job interview, and you don't believe that you are good enough for the job, how on earth is the person trying to hire you to believe it if you don't even believe it yourself. So it starts from within, and that is so important. So that's kind of my biggest thing with confidence is you need to find it within yourself. And it can be really hard and it's definitely has taken me a really long time. But it's really important to find ways that you value yourself and work on that within yourself and go from there and also you can fake it till you make it like I feel like if you go into to a room and you're confident people just go with it. But if you go in and you know, you might feel like you might doubt yourself, then they won't, you know, it won't work as well. So yeah, fake it if you don't have it, and if you do them, that's awesome.
I love it. I love it because it's like the faking part for me, if you'd like to delve into that is it's an, it's a shift in your physiology, which can change the psychology. So if you're not actually feeling but you assume that, you know, back up straight, you start feeling a bit more confident. So it's like, there is a bunch of one percenters that can equate to a higher level of confidence. And I think I mean, this is what you girls do with your app, the health like that is such a holistic approach to developing some kind of confidence. I mean, is there any struggles though, like, Steph for you? Is there anything not that I want to get into, you know, the sort of like what you're not confident about, but I think we're all human right, having a human experience. So is there anything that sort of Do you have to work on personally?
Um, I think that well, first of all, I think something that I have improved on a lot from working with Laura and things that I've taken from her has been her empathy and compassion for others and her selflessness. Um, I really respect her for those traits. And I feel like I've been able to pick up on them a little bit more than I suppose I'm not that I was, you know, a selfish person before I met her. But just she I don't know, just her energy, and everything is really contagious. And it's easy to kind of then reflect that when she's around. So I admire her for that. And that's something that I'm always cautious of. And then I think something that I want to improve on, you know, we always talk about the comparison trap, and how like women shouldn't compare themselves to others. And, you know, we try and make sure that the community doesn't ever fall into that trap, but it is something that's going to happen. And it's not necessarily about a physical trait or something like that you can compare yourself to others for lifestyle things, Korea skills, all that sort of stuff. And I think it's just one of those things that I do fall into that trap from time to time, but I think I've gotten a lot better at pulling myself out of it quicker. So whilst I think it's a place that I want to improve, and I wish it didn't exist, I don't know if it ever will not exist. So I think just, I suppose doing everything that I can to again, continue to pull myself out quickly whenever I'm in that kind of work when
things like travel obviously, that's out the window with all of the ISO stuff. Do you travel well together? What's it like Laura, travelling with Steph?
Yeah, we travel well together. We often if sometimes if we're going away, within with a client or something as intimate with them, for them.
Trouble with clients.
I was about to say we often were Often booked in the same hotel room but Steph and I obviously Yeah, and we have and even when we travel for cake, we often are and so but that's fine. We're so used to it. Seth is more of a lover of travel than I am. I'm more of a homebody and I use I've worked on it so much. Thanks for saying that. I used to get super anxious flying. So having surf there because she takes so many flights. If I look at surf and she is calm, then I know that I should become you know, if something happens in a plane and you're like, oh, something happening and you look at someone and you see their face and then you react based on their face. That's what surf is for me.
If the planes going down, but if it gives you it's pretty but that's the whole thing. Steph, do you like being relaxed on applying is it just I always accept the fact that this could be my last flight like I just got a real doc and then I'm real happy. I just I'm just sort of really chill out. Is that is that is that how you sort of get through turbulence
To be honest, um, it's a bit I'm on autopilot now and I get on the plane like I just don't even I just I just walked through the check in half the time I'm like talking I could probably do the whole safety thing. No, I'm joking. I haven't actually employed in a while so I feel like I'm missing that travel. I've got the travel bug. Um, no, but I think what goes through my mind anytime I'm feeling anxious, honestly, you uh, it's and this is another doc bullet, honestly, but you're probably more likely to get into an accident on the road when you're driving then you are on
every day. You know, I think if you can drive confidently and you have no Nan's while you're driving, and you shouldn't have any nerves up in this guy.
Yeah, it's so what we're talking it's an irrational fear. Laura, what is when, if you were to sort of look into the fear of it more, what do you what do you what do you pull out? What do you think about the fear of flying and what it all means to you and where it came from?
This is very deep.
Okay. It's an exclusive we can run the exclusive banner as well which we have. Yes,
this is the best time.
Okay, here we go.
Nice. Wow. Okay, love it very much one of those we should get our podcast. I think she managed but that's okay. So anyway
so I think it just ties back in. I suffer with. I don't want to use the word suffer but I do have anxiety. And I think it just ties in with that because you have a fear that is so far away and it has such a small risk. When you do go through anxiety. It becomes like a really imminent fear that if it doesn't happen, you're surprised so I'll be on a more I used to be I've definitely worked on it, but I'd be on a plane and when we landed I'd be like, Oh, thank goodness and be surprised. That the plane had landed safely. So it's kind of like in my mind, the risk is it's more likely that it's going to happen then it's not even though, you know, it's the other way around. So I don't I probably don't have a great relationship with FIA. But it is it is something that that I'm working on and working through and yeah, travelling with stuff helps me so much with that.
So COVID-19 I was just gonna say TJ like, does it because I can imagine like anxiety all of a sudden, if you think that your plane is going to go down, then if you watch the news and see people getting covered, you'd be like, that's I've definitely got it. And I like had a sore throat you know, week one of I saw and I might have done, but I wouldn't didn't want to obviously, I didn't want to do the whole nostril test thing, but I definitely didn't have it. But do you were you worried about that whole COVID-19 stuff being out and about?
Yes, so I've had a test.
But that was because I was actually I was actually quite sick. I was fine. It feels like because the nose thing and I don't want this to put anyone off. Who needs to be tested because it's very quick, very, very quick. But it's a very long nostril thing and they put it up and it feels like it touches your brain. That's how high it goes up. Obviously it doesn't, but that's kind of like I get it really good. Yeah. Um, but I didn't, I didn't have it. Um, and I think for me, what has helped me and kind of, it's what Steph spoke about before. It's just focusing on gratitude during this time. I think that's been my way that I've been able to get through it. I the first few weeks were hard. I was very scared. And I I'm still watching the news. I think the news is really, really important. We need to stay informed. I don't think it's smart to switch off from everything, but I am not watching as much of it. I'm only watching the important things. What I struggled with is watching what was happening overseas, especially the coverage in New York. That is not something that I will continue to watch. Obviously, I'm aware of it, but I'm just not going to go watch a full video about it. But yeah, focusing on gratitude has helped me I feel like it takes me away from all those fears and brings me back to the present moment.
Really, really helps? Well, I think fee could be linked with, you know, risk taking some people would have a fear of delving in and make and taking risks. I mean you to whether you feel it or not, I guess it's a good question. Steph, do you feel like you take risks from a business standpoint, from a personal standpoint? What's your relationship with risk?
Um, yeah, I'd say I'm kind of like, in the middle. I think it depends on the mood, I'm on and on the day, to be honest, I think in certain ways, and definitely with business. And I am a bit of a risk taker. But then if we're talking about like, I don't know, skydiving, and all that sort of stuff, not me. I'm not a risk taker when it comes to that sort of stuff. I kind of think too much into those things. But when it comes to business, we've had to, we've had to jump over a whole bunch of hurdles and jump over a few cliffs, I suppose. And dive into some scary things and we've always kind of covered Out of the other end, it hasn't always been the smallest. Hi, Billy. Sorry hasn't always been the smoothest process obviously getting yourself out of those scary parts. But I think because we have each other and again, we have such an incredible team we've been able to work through things and learn from everything. So anything I'm scared of, I kind of get excited when it comes to business to dive into it because I'm excited for the learnings and I'm not afraid anymore of what could go wrong.
How about you Laura?
Yeah, I mean, I'm quite similar. I'm probably the the most in our team in our suppose our leadership team with Steph myself and I, I'm kind of always the one that has, in my mind thought of every single thing that could happen from the decision and then had to evaluate all of it. And I think that's something that Michelle's like, Okay, I understand you like to really evaluate these risks, but we just need to go right now. And I suppose that comes back to what we were talking Seth was talking about earlier with letting go And letting someone you trust around with it which we have been able to with Michelle, I think with business my I suppose in my mind, my the way I look at risk in my personal life, or my life, I suppose outside of work is very different to how I look at risk in work. I think my biggest fear comes from PayPal, being an like someone's health being impacted, like my family member losing a family member, something happening to my own health or someone that I love. And so that I think is that's where all that, I suppose. What's the word exacerbated risk comes from, whereas on a business side, I think that because we have an amazing team, and we are always we're all as we spoke about before, we're all on this mission to improve women's lives and you know that and we know what our values are for kick and we always act with those values. I don't think anything I really do is there's not a lot of risk in it because I think we're always sticking to our core. And that's what the most important thing is. So, you know, we were going to make mistakes and we know that but the side of I suppose the the result of them is not, I suppose, as scary as other risks.
Yeah, yeah. I mean,
what's your relationship with feedback? Maybe we can start with you, Steph. I mean, you guys put yourselves out there. And you've been, you know, in past, you know, models and those kind of things where you, you're receiving pretty honest feedback. And even social media is a form of receiving feedback. How do you deal with feedback stiff?
I think I'd do it differently depending on who it's coming from. So if it's coming from people who don't know me, like trolls, for example, online and stuff that they have to say, I've literally lost all care in the world for what they have to say. And I've been on Instagram now for about seven years. So I've kind of gone through some pretty shitty times with trolls and I've just learned that the best way for me to deal with it for my own mental health is just to agree But when it comes to constructive feedback or feedback from, you know, people within the team or people that I genuinely am interested in, in what they think things. I'm definitely a stubborn person that's like something that I'm working through. But I think I've gotten a lot better at taking feedback on. And I think something that's been really incredible about bringing Michelle on board issues been able to, I suppose, bring on a little bit of structure between even myself and Laura, and the way that we can give each other feedback or give the team feedback and been learning so much from her on that sort of stuff. And I feel like ever since that started happening, I've been so much more accepting of feedback. And yeah, as I said before, I really think feedback, it really depends on who it's coming from, to how it affects you.
How about you, Laura?
Yeah, I think a few years ago, I realised that I didn't know everything. And I you know, I think when you're 2324 you think you honestly think that you do and I've got to say I tweet that Mr. 97 Yeah. He's
absolutely everything. I would win Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Because I know everything. But we like
to say I weren't, I think I think that that's the best way to be able to, I suppose take on feedback because I am. And it's kind of I don't know how to explain it. I feel like when you do feel like you know, everything, it's really hard to take anything on and you get on the defence, but once you accept that you don't and that's what I kind of went through a few years ago. I'm very open to it. And I take it I mean, of course, there's gonna be days where you get a really, really main, you know, review on our podcast or comment through somewhere that's always gonna happen and that stuff is hard to take. But with other feedback, I find that now I'm more at peace with it. And I'm very open to it because I think every bit of constructive feedback if it comes from the right place, it's it's a problem. To improve yourself, and I think especially if you are surrounded by incredible people, it's pretty awesome to have all these people giving you feedback on how to be a better person. And I think we can always be, we can always be better. And that's something that I've, I suppose come to terms with and has helped me a lot.
We'll do one question. Hmm, we'll finish on George as the secret kick superfan that we just found out the show saver or a spender or a saver or a spender. We'll start with you, Steph.
Can I say both?
Sounds like a spender to me. That's the
I am. But like I was always taught. I was always taught to look at something like an expense and like, especially if it's things like clothes or unnecessary things, I suppose to look at it and kind of consider how much work is involved how many times you're going to wear it and really quickly Before You Buy, so I'm definitely not just like a I see it, I buy it because I want it kind of person I do evaluate my spending, but I do like to spend more.
I'm probably I'm probably more a saver, but also I feel like and I'm the same as safe. I mean back at Subway, I think my salary, my salary, my wage was $6 70 an hour. So, you know, if I wanted to buy a pair of jeans that were $50 that was like five hours of work or something. So, you know, you really have to think about it, but now I think it depends on what it is. I am really I spent a lot of money on food and health things. Whereas stuff like for example, like designer fashion stuff, it's just not I don't know, I just I just don't care enough to
to do that.
So I don't know. I think it does. It depends on what you value I think and why you
spend so much money laughing at that stuff. What was funny.
I the only designer
either myself or her fiance
and I love them.
I can see your dreams there. Steph. What? How's your rings looking at the moment on your watch? I just got a glimpse.
Pretty good. Yeah, I've closed most of them. I've just got the standing one to go Thank you.
That's an understanding one's bullshit. I think we should care. It's like what I walked. How the fuck was I walking if I'm breached the walk one. How did I not reach the standing one? Well, I meant to be standing still. It's really silly. Actually. Laura, how have you closed all your range?
I know I've got moves closed because I did a I did the staff took a live kick workout this morning, which was awesome. So that was a good eat closed. Close it with that. Exercise clothes sent eight out of 12 hours but I mean same
Cuz it's been eight hours since I woke up so
well make sense, right like you sort of got that really funny.
Georgie boy, boy.
Final sort of superfan kick question from Georgie boy.
Yeah. Actually Marta sorry to question if that's okay.
Okay. Yeah. Nice as well. So
real big fan? Yeah.
What are the parties like and how do you get invited?
Yeah, no. So much fun. It's actually something that we have missing so much in this time. That's probably been the biggest change. I mean, obviously other than importing and everything that's been difficult for so long but um, the event space has been so fun for us to connect with our community and we're not a red rope business. So you can definitely come to any of our events. You just have to keep in the loop with little.
there's there's no red robe but there's at least someone at the door right? Yeah, there's something nice about the exclusive George's wants to be invited to something sort of trying to get tickets to the Melbourne Cup in the what's the That's right. What's the mark a just been podcasters you know we we're not there yet, but that's okay.
We had paint marry on today so we look it's looking up girls. It's looking up. Thank
you. You've got us.
Exactly this is can we we can we can
waive this. Oh,
we're just gonna get a photo so that you can take a photo for your tight Insta tile. Just Yeah.
Did you get it Yeah,
I was just gonna throw that sort of stuff.
I thought you were going to take it.
No, no, no, you've got a very hard for me to do. I can hold that and then if you wanted to, I can send you a better a better quality feed. Hang on
I hear ya like that.
Laura. Josh someone's gonna take
someone taking the photo Boomerang no the raid
that was a lot but um
yeah perfect. Yeah thumbs are up Can you tag them as well? Cool 10 minutes everyone. Thank you, Laura. Thank you Steph. And, yeah, we appreciate you coming on to just talk to a couple of groups who you've never met on a 24 hour stream. You know, I so enjoy you
anytime and write
that's okay. It's fun.
It's pretty unfit made out with the invite to the party made up.
Yeah, I've actually I've moved on. We spoke about it earlier in the week I used to be someone who touched people like I get quite sort of sensitive and just not seen like, my wife just Oh, sorry. Yeah.
I think I may have
been awake, but really
is just a nice way out and Laura had nothing to do with those stories that were all in his head.
Yeah, it's just, we just don't need the negativity, you know. All right.
Well, we see you on Wednesday morning.
Live workout. Oh definitely.
Yeah, yes, yeah. Yes,
Bye. Thank you