Crystal Andrews On Debates, Conspiracies & Media Consumption

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 707.

Tommy: Welcome, Krystal Andrews, acclaimed writer but also owner of a very special t-shirt. What do you got on there?

Crystal: Came today.

Josh: Oh, it looks so crisp.

Tommy: That's amazing.

Josh: Look, that was quick. That was quick. Yeah, DHL Express.

Crystal: Very, very quick. It came probably, oh, 10:30, 10 o'clock this morning. I got the little buzz and I knew exactly what it was. I knew exactly what it would be.

Josh: So, on this, can we just—

Tommy: I mean, there's so many things. Sorry, just quickly, have you had any other people knock on the door? Like, weird time, yeah.

Crystal: We live in an apartment building, so there's not a lot of— It's kind of back off the street to get to our, the entrance to our block, I suppose. So, we don't get a lot of random knocks on the doors. It's only ever the mailman. It's only ever Australia Post or DHL, sometimes Star Track. That's about it.

Josh: Do you ever, when it comes to Uber Eats and stuff, will you go outside of your like apartment to get it or do you allow them into the first stage to get to your door?

Crystal: I think we always go out.

Josh: Okay.

Crystal: But I mean, yeah.

Josh: You maybe.

Crystal: It must, I feel like with Uber Eats and Deliveroo and all of that, they kind of service their same area. I feel like it's the same guys a lot of the time. So, they probably know. I think when you order enough, They're like, yeah, Crystal, we know where she lives. Yeah.

Josh: Well, I was just wondering like whether what the, what you thought the protocol was, because I thought you're quite dialled in, in regards to.

Tommy: Well, you blew up, didn't you? Because you didn't want to go down.

Josh: Well, yeah, I just had one guy that wouldn't come down, but just like our apartment block's quite big. And so, but I understand, like I had empathy for the guy because I'm like, the thing that I don't, I don't want to do.

Mason: Did you leave them a bad review?

Josh: I didn't leave them a bad review. I just gave them a thumbs down. I wasn't feeling good. But it was the only guy that had hasn't delivered to the door because it is. But, you know, I would be a terrible Uber Eats delivery person, you know.

Crystal: We've only got 3 floors and we're on the second floor, so it's not a lot of up and down. I feel like I'd probably agree with you if it was, you know, if we were on like 7th or 8th floor and you're going up and down all day.

Josh: Well, yeah.

Crystal: They normally just, if we're not home and someone lets them, someone else in the building lets them in, they just leave it at the bottom of the stairs. They don't bring it up to the door.

Josh: Okay, that's right. Do you have a lift or is it just stairs in your building?

Crystal: Just stairs.

Josh: Okay, I actually like stairs more.

Tommy: I think we need to give a bit of an update because we've talked about the positivity of DHL and Krystal Andrews being on the receiving end of the positivity, but Seb's now shoved a bit of shit in the middle and then we'll finish it off with some positivity.

Josh: What's been happening, Seb?

Mason: Well, I mean, so I was going through all the receipts last night and fulfilling all of the orders that we dispatched. And there is one order, um, that we don't have a tracking number for. And I think there's been a mix-up and they've put the same label or the same address on two different parcels. So I think—

Josh: so you basically got two, two receipts and they said Jasnah on it, and you're like, why do I have two receipts for Jasnah and why do I not have a receipt for Caitlin?

Mason: Exactly. And so, yeah, and so, and so I reckon they've stuck it on the, the wrong parcel. So Jasnah, you might be getting to, um, yeah, to deliver. But I've, I've called, I've called DHL and, um, they're calling. Actually, they called me just before the show, but I just missed it.

Tommy: Crystal, how are you with answering phone calls? I mean, you're, you're a grown woman. What's it like?

Crystal: I am a grown human woman. I don't answer numbers that I don't know. Sure.

Josh: Okay.

Mason: No caller ID.

Crystal: That's what I would have said.

Tommy: And Crystal, what if you were a producer for the Daily Talk Show and there was something that had gone pear-shaped?

Josh: If you knew DHL was calling, would you potentially assume that?

Crystal: Yeah. Sorry, Sebbs, I feel like if you might be expecting a call, I know you've been working with DHL, I probably, I don't know, but it's hard.

Josh: He also like, he did the classic, which was, should I answer it? Should I answer it? Should I answer it? I said to Teja, I'm like, watch it. He's going to be too late. He's like, "Oh, I missed him." It's like, you had no intention of answering that phone.

Mason: But anyway, so I'll maybe get another callback potentially.

Tommy: But yeah, they're assessing it now.

Mason: But can't you—

Crystal: You've got the receipts, so can't you call them and sort it out?

Mason: Yeah, yeah. But well, that's what I did initially. And so, then it got like passed on to other case managers. And so, they're sorting it all out, which is good.

Tommy: Crystal, in terms of like iso the last 2 months, I was thinking it's been nearly 2 months that most people have been home.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: And you being one of those, have you seen— because I know you're across the stuff that's going on online. Do you think there's a heightened level of arguments and interaction that isn't— that hasn't been seen, I guess, in previous times?

Crystal: Yeah, I think so. Everyone's on social media all day, so there's more opportunity to find things that you might find triggering and then no one's got anything else to do, so they just start getting stuck into it. Like even on influencers that I follow, I'm seeing more like little arguments over nothing break out in the comment section, like just over nothing.

Josh: Yeah, I've seen— I love you. There was a meme page. Which one is it? It's the— Battuta, and you— Oh yeah, in the comments, what did you— Like, it was a— There was a John Howard meme or whatever, which was very distasteful. It didn't really necessarily make that much sense, but it had Kim Jong-un, and it was like about being brain dead or whatever. And I appreciated that. I was like, yeah, Krystal's onto it. You're comfortable with— If you don't like a meme, just being like, nah guys, shit meme, missed it, missed the mark.

Tommy: What did you say?

Crystal: You've missed it.

Josh: Bad take. Yeah, I think that's what it was.

Crystal: Yeah.

Josh: A lot of people said a hit and a miss, which I think is a swing and a miss. A swing and a miss. It's so funny, isn't it? A swing and a miss. It really hurts. If I did a joke and someone said a swing and a miss, it would really sting.

Mason: I would be so rattled.

Tommy: Yeah.

Crystal: I feel like the Betruder Advocate guys probably don't. It probably doesn't hurt them too much. I think they would just laugh about that stuff and move on with their with their lives.

Tommy: Well, putting stuff out into the world, I guess when you're— they're comedians, right? And so they could imagine that they're gonna have a few swings and a few misses. I tell you what, there's been a few swings on our The Daily Talk Show private group, and one swing in particular from Wayne Peters. Are you across this, Krystal?

Crystal: No.

Tommy: 'Cause I need your help. Your book, How to Win Every Argument, well, we've got an argument on our hands, and it has something to do with peanut butter. And so we were talking on episode 702 about how—

Crystal: Yeah, I'm vaguely across this.

Tommy: Yeah, you gotta have butter with peanut butter. You're gonna have butter with peanut butter, and I think you're gonna have butter with Vegemite, otherwise you're a monster. And Wayne Peters has said no butter required for both peanut butter and Vegemite, and boy, it's— there's a shitstorm going on. So I need a— I need help. In how to build my argument so it is credible because he said, explain it. And I was like, mate, some things you just can't explain, but that's not a solid response, you know.

Crystal: So wait, you want me to help you build the argument? You don't want to know what I think?

Mason: What do you think?

Tommy: Yeah, what do you think?

Crystal: Both Vegemite and peanut butter are disgusting.

Josh: Do you not like toast? Do you eat toast?

Crystal: I eat toast. I just don't like peanut butter. I don't like Vegemite. Honey or butter and that's it. Jam? Jam sometimes, yeah.

Tommy: Your diet is dialled in. We've pretty much done Kristal Andrews on a plate for you.

Crystal: Oh, we can't talk about that anymore.

Tommy: Which we won't. We won't. Don't let Josh— Josh will. You bloody tempt him. No, but okay, let's just— I feel like you're good at sort of assuming the side to sort of build something. Then you could do it for both sides, which is great here.

Crystal: So what do you think? So, so you're saying that peanut butter and Vegemite both require butter on the toast, is that right?

Tommy: Yes.

Crystal: Okay, I think you need to understand why he—

Josh: you're wrong—

Crystal: why you're wrong, why you shouldn't eat any of that at all. Um, no, why he thinks that it doesn't need it, because then that's the point you have to attack. There's no point just saying I think it because I think it.

Josh: I think it's a very hard position for Tommy to be in.

Crystal: I miss the YouTube comments right now.

Mason: Oh my gosh. So just quickly, Wayne is outrageous. He says, then don't try peanut butter and Vegemite in the same sandwich. You would hate that, Crystal.

Josh: Yeah, that's outrageous.

Tommy: I can—

Mason: No, I can— I reckon I could get around that. Butter, peanut butter, and Vegemite wouldn't be too bad.

Tommy: Well, it's the salt. So hang on, let me just say, Wayne, why?

Crystal: Does—

Josh: you just, uh, okay, I've just sent you a, um, a link in the, in the chat, Chris. I don't know if that came up, but that will take you to, um, the YouTube chat if you wanted to. You might not see what people are saying, might have to copy and paste.

Crystal: Yeah, I'm scared of—

Josh: you're just doing stuff. No, no, you won't just—

Crystal: we have some issues connecting.

Josh: Um, no, no, you've done well. And so now I think— yeah, what do you think, Crystal? Is there any sort of outside of just attacking Wayne Peters personally.

Crystal: Personally, outside of personally taking down Wayne. Yeah, I think find out what the reason is. Like, is it about the oil content that's already in the peanut butter is why he thinks that you don't need butter as well? Because then, I don't know, can we do an experiment? What's the— what's the like fat content in butter versus the fat content in peanut butter? And what is the ideal ratio on the perfect piece of toast? Does peanut butter have enough? That's how you go, Tommy.

Josh: But also, I think— Yeah, go, Teach.

Tommy: I just wanted to swear, but I don't think that works.

Josh: Yeah, just swear at him.

Crystal: Probably doesn't work.

Josh: But I think that it's a harder position that you're in, TJ, because adding something, I think, is actually the weaker thing to do. Being able to have these things straight in every regard is more an admirable thing in life. Like if you can have it in that sort of pure form. Anyway, that's my opinion. I know no one asked, but I think Wayne's right.

Mason: But so what do you do, really?

Josh: Yeah, no, Wayne is right.

Crystal: What do you do, Josh?

Tommy: Huh?

Josh: What do you do? I just have Vegemite on the toast without any butter. That's it, that's how you can have it. Because the thing, I actually don't know the difference, to be honest.

Crystal: Is there also a question around volume, like thickness of spread? Obviously, this is all new to me because I don't—

Josh: I use a lot of veggie. I can use, like for me, it's about getting that sort of, Bitter, salty, but it is dry. Like, you saw me before the show just having a couple of those, like, almond— what are they called? Like the cheese biscuits.

Mason: Yeah, the walnut fig.

Josh: I just needed something crunchy.

Tommy: But, uh, absolute animal.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Anyway, I mean, Casey's— Casey's saying she's a Promite girl.

Josh: Promite.

Mason: Well, I get around Promite.

Josh: Is that right?

Mason: Marmite is great.

Josh: But what's Promite versus Marmite?

Mason: Promite's a yellow one, Marmite's red. It's a label. It's— Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: A label, Josh. Yeah, not the actual thing itself.

Mason: I mean, they taste slightly different. They're quite nice, though.

Tommy: So, what I'm hearing is that it took a bit of time to write your book and form these opinions and arguments for each side. So, we're not going to get it through in the next 2 minutes, which I was hoping for, because I'm about that speed.

Josh: Any update on arguments?

Crystal: Maybe we should workshop off air.

Josh: Yeah, that would be great.

Tommy: I'll come back with a thesis.

Josh: Did you ever do debating in school, Crystal?

Crystal: I think I did it at primary school, not in high school. I did it in primary school. But, you know, that's just when you talk about really accessible things like, you know, one side's homework is essential for kids and the other side's like, we don't need homework.

Josh: Yeah. I mean, that's the primary one would go hard. Like we did heaps of, like we did I remember, should people over 70 be allowed to drive cars? That was a big one. I think I was on the, I was on pro, what is it, affirmative and negative. So, I was on the affirmative that they shouldn't be allowed to, I think it was. But it's very interesting. You'd go, there used to be this site that would basically have all of the debates. It was sort of a bit of a cheat because you just go in and have the for and the against, and you'd sort of copy and paste and put it onto your cue cards. And then it was all about the bravado, you know.

Crystal: It was more like a presentation.

Josh: Exactly.

Crystal: Like a public speaking.

Josh: Yeah, rather than a, yeah. I mean, when you're young, you just don't know that much, right? I didn't know what was, I didn't understand the rules, so.

Tommy: So Crystal, have you been getting in any blues, any arguments? 'Cause I know you're not afraid of them.

Crystal: I'm not afraid of them. No, not really. But I think that's just because at the moment I'm only spending time with my boyfriend. So he kind of, stays well clear of any of that stuff for obvious reasons. So, as soon as I'm let out into the world again, maybe I'm gonna be on a rampage just like, tell me what you think, you're wrong.

Josh: How argumentative are you in your relationship? Do you get into many sort of arguments?

Crystal: No, we don't get into arguments. We get into pretty good stand-up debates basically, yeah. Okay. He is probably a little bit more center-right than I am, and maybe I'm a little center-left. So there are a few good ideological conversations we get into, but it's never— it never gets into an argument because he just knows when to walk away.

Tommy: Like, not safe. Take notes.

Crystal: The, um, yeah, really good tip. Just know when to walk away.

Josh: Are you, um, have you done any rabbit hole? Like, you spend a lot of time in rabbit holes just researching shit. What have you been researching?

Crystal: I love a Reddit thread. I have been fascinated with all of the 5G conspiracy theories that have been coming out at the moment.

Josh: Oh, great.

Crystal: And they're everywhere. And also, the, the fact that they were coming out now is super interesting. I don't know if you guys are well-versed on the 5G conspiracies.

Tommy: I did bring it up, but I was looking at a little bit about it. I'm not across it. What's the, um, what is the, the claim that the 5G people are putting up, or the people that are against 5G? What are they putting out? What's their argument?

Crystal: So the whole argument is basically because 5G is operating on, um, the next higher frequency bandwidth. So all of the existing bandwidths that we have are full, basically. So to get faster speeds, better connections, we're going up to the next kind of level of bandwidth, so higher frequency radio wave, basically. Um, so the argument that people who are against it are saying that because it's higher frequency, we don't know that it's not going to cause damage to our bodies, that it's not going to alter our DNA. It's like living next to a microwave that's on 24 24/7. That's kind of the general argument, um, which I can completely understand why people are scared, but it's kind of like everyone was scared of the same conversations came out around 2G and 3G and Wi-Fi, and like, we end up using them anyway.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: And so what's the, um, like, what are they suggesting? What's the alternative? Like, are they fine? Are the 5G people fine with 4G?

Crystal: This— that's the funny thing, right? And it's like they're using to spread their message, they're like on their phones or they're on their computer like writing in forums that are using— doing a live stream, you know, 4G or Wi-Fi that's, you know, completely in their home. Yeah, making YouTube documentaries. There's like a crazy YouTube documentary that it's just like it makes your brain explode. Um, but they're, they're pushing back against the role— like, puts your brain right in the microwave. They're pushing back against the rollout of the 5G towers, and they just want the government to stop rolling those out until we know for sure that they're safe. They want more tests, they want more studies, which, I mean, I guess I can kind of understand that. It's not the most unreasonable position, but it just comes from this place.

Josh: Destructive though, like, I thought I saw somewhere where like shit's actually getting vandalized, or it could actually— like, it's one thing to be a keyboard warrior, there's another thing to actually, you know, cause issues around trying to, to get it installed.

Crystal: Yeah, I think there's been some arson attacks in the UK, um, on some of the towers, which is obviously just horrendous no matter what you believe. Like, that is incredibly dangerous. And I think a few of the actual telecoms workers, so the guys who are, um, building the towers and working there, have been abused, verbally abused, and things like that. So it's— but that's a small section of the general crazy.

Josh: So if you sort of understand it, what does that look like? If you can sort of understand their perspective, what's the middle ground?

Crystal: Their perspective is fear-based, which so many, so many of these conspiracy theories, almost all of them are just born out of fear. So that I can kind of understand, being a little bit afraid of something that's new. Like, human beings have been afraid of new stuff forever, as long as we've been, you know, in existence. So I, I get it. Um, and it— the reason why it's blowing up right now is because the trust in government is really, really low because of everything that's happening with coronavirus. So those two things are kind of coming together to make it all just explode in this perfect storm. So I get that.

Tommy: And is it— so, the time— do you think it's just timely with what's happening with coronavirus, or it is— do you think it's the reason, though? Like, is there a connection between people who think that coronavirus isn't a thing or it was some kind of hoax and the connection to 5G people?

Crystal: Yeah, so the subset of the bigger 5G conspiracy theory is that coronavirus isn't real and it's just a hoax. To force us all indoors so that the telecom companies and the governments can speed up the rollout of the 5G towers without us noticing.

Tommy: Wow.

Josh: Yeah.

Crystal: And that's really like, it's nuts because they explain away all of the people who are sick and dying by saying these people would have died anyway, which is just not correct in any— there's no way you can cut that number and make it true.

Josh: So, do you write back on these things? Like, is there any reason to actually enter into conversations around this?

Tommy: And what's your username on Reddit?

Crystal: I just read. I don't comment on Reddit. It's too— I feel like I'd be drawn in really easily and then I would just, I would look awful because I'd spend all night on Reddit fighting with people who were not going to ever see the light.

Josh: Well, Seb's had to actually leave a forum the other day because someone was started talking about the What was it?

Mason: Safe app. They were just spinning absolute bullshit about the app and it just pissed me off. So I just, I got, I got, I got so angry and just left the group, you know, and then I just came and started bitching to Josh.

Josh: So then he also— what did you, what did you put the reason for leaving?

Mason: Uh, like marked as offensive and misinformation. Just got real trigger happy on the report.

Josh: So yeah, what would I say?

Tommy: Yeah, what are you on? Uh, it was just all—

Mason: it was all around like the privacy, the privacy around it all. And you know, they were, they were trying to combat the just the people saying, um, the people pushing back against the app, they, they're just like, um, they're worried about the data and stuff. And then I guess the rebuttal to that is, well mate, you're on Facebook. And then they'll put— trying to push back against the, you know, it doesn't matter that I'm on Facebook. And so Yeah, it was just, it was just real annoying, to be honest.

Crystal: What's super interesting about that app is I, like, on the ZFeed account, I did a little poll like 2 weeks ago. So this was before, once the app had been announced but it wasn't available yet and there wasn't as many details, um, just asking the community there, I guess, whether they were okay with it or whether they were suspicious about it. Um, I think around 60% of the respondents said that they were suspicious But then once it launched, that dropped right down, and almost 50% said that they had actually already downloaded it or intended to download it. Which is really— that's fascinating to me because it's like, before it's here, you're basically saying, oh, I don't know, I'm not sure I'm going to download it, that feels like an invasion of my privacy. And then when it came, they were like, uh, actually thought about it, it's fine.

Josh: So I guess the question is, it's like, what's the worst thing that could happen? So like, um, Sean, uh, Gronkh in the UK, I saw him comment saying, uh, if you want to get hacked, download the COVID Safe app. And my thing is, I'm like, okay, what's the, um, what would a hack look like? And then you go like, even I just feel like even, even looking at the worst case scenario, I'd prefer to be in a position where I downloaded it supported everything that we're doing publicly and then use this as a— like, I don't feel like at a time like this is the time to stand strong against stuff. Like, let's enter into it, and if my phone gets hacked, I'm like, oh fuck, my photos are— someone's got my— I gotta get a new iPhone. I'm really annoyed. I won't do that again. Like, what do you think the worst case scenario is, Crystal?

Crystal: I, I don't— I think it's fine. I mean Personally, I don't have a problem with it. I think where the argument around, um, people who want to push back against almost mandated requests like downloading an app is where on a global scale you see some of the, um, restrictions and laws being put into place specifically for COVID are moving away from democratic forms of government. And democratic, um, kind of restrictions and legalities. So I get why people are scared that once you start to let things go, it's hard to pull them back again, or will they ever be pulled back again? To be honest, I don't know that we need to worry about that in Australia, but I totally see in other countries how they might be scared of sacrificing freedoms and then never being able to get them back.

Josh: Yeah, I mean, on, uh, China, what do you think about, like, say, with all the stuff with the Chinese Government sort of slamming the Australian government for saying we need to do some sort of independent thing. Like, yeah, what's your take on Australia's perspective on China? When can we push back and say no, we need this, versus when are we being, um, you know, what's the difference between being racist versus actually no, this is fair? Like, like, there's a, there's a big difference between saying this is the Chinese virus that say Trump was doing, and then Scott Morrison saying, hey, we should have an independent, um, you know, investigation.

Crystal: I think at that government level it's more about would we say the same thing if it was any other country, which I think in this case is probably true because as I understood it, he was more talking about how quickly Australia would run out of certain essential things that we need if we were cut off from the west— rest of the world, like we kind of have been for the past couple of months. So if he would say the same thing about America, about, you know, the UK, about Brazil, about France, then it's probably not really a racial conversation, I don't think.

Josh: Is there a way of—

Tommy: Half the concern— Well, half the concern is that they have a stranglehold on the supply chain of goods that we need. And that's not a good— that's not a good thing for any country to have the power in something like China. And that's the problem. Like, I know the sort of initial is, ah, why are we sort of getting up on our high horse or like having a go at China? There has been a bunch of stuff that hasn't been handled well, but then you get to have empathy for the whole situation at hand that isn't normal. And so it is really hard. But the Hu the World Health Organization, that same discussion of pointing the finger at them and saying they need to be more accountable. They've missed a whole bunch of shit. Like, they were saying masks don't do anything at one point, and, you know, they were saying you can't catch it through, uh, community transmission, and like a whole bunch of this stuff early days, which I don't know, it's— I don't know where it sort of lands and how they have such a ginormous responsibility. And if that's what the people are pointing the finger at, like, you can't have all this responsibility and not see it through or not be the people that we can lean on.

Josh: And so when can we be critical, Crystal? Like, when do we be critical? Like, The Who knows a lot more about health than I do, to be honest. And so it feels rich being critical of those organizations. When do you think, as the general public, we can push back or be critical on these, these types of organizations.

Crystal: I think with this it was tricky because it was brand new, so where would any pre-existing, um, very detailed information about how it would spread or what would be effective— like, where would that have even come from before it was happening? You know what I mean? I did read a really interesting article the other day that was saying the WHO you know, the WHO— like, it's the band— the World Health Organization, um, is only as good as the countries that are involved in it, and it's only as good as who's in it. Because it's not really, you know, they don't have power over individual countries. It's, it's a committee, you know what I mean? Like, they're influencing and they're, they're providing advice and guidance, but at the end of the day every single nation is responsible for its own people and how it interprets and implements that advice. So, I mean, in terms of like Trump pulling funding and America looks like they're now not going to have anything to do with the World Health Organization, like, I don't think that's a good thing because you kind of need everyone to be involved to get the best out of it. I don't know if that makes sense, but yeah, I thought it was a good point.

Josh: Yeah, I wonder where saving face fits in with this. Like, it seems like, um, that's like an element where, say for instance with the US and you hear Trump talking or whatever, like he spins a bit of bullshit about how responsive he was and all that sort of thing. Is there any opportunity to allow leaders to save face or does that just not work in a, you know, in this sort of scenario?

Crystal: I think in a crisis people don't buy it and the only people who would buy it are the diehard supporters anyway, so. It just depends who he wants to influence.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Crystal: Same with Scott Morrison. It's like, does it— is he trying to convince that his, his diehard supporters who would support, you know, who would be on his side regardless, or is he trying to, um, convince some other people to come over to his side? In which case, I feel like the saving face is quite transparent, especially if you are like Donald Trump, and the, um, the backpedalling is pretty amateur.

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, the, the America, uh, political space is its own beast. Like, have you heard who's, um, who's, who's vying for president against Donald Trump?

Crystal: Joe Biden.

Tommy: Joe Biden. So Joe Biden has a MeToo scandal, uh, that has been pushed down, or that's what people are saying. They're like, it's get Trump out at all costs, even if it means that Joe Biden's past doesn't come up and you know, this scandal about him doesn't get revealed, which then is a real problem because there's, there's a conscious decision to prioritise one over another serious topic, which is the MeToo movement. And so, I mean, they, they have just the biggest fucking shitstorm going on right now, from Trump with the coronavirus to, you know, the, the political Parties running. It's— oh my God, it's almost— hurts my head.

Crystal: It's almost ironic because that was the big scandal with Trump, was a bit of a MeToo, you know, sexual harassment moment in itself. So it's like, it's, it's nuts to me that now the guy that they have potentially contesting has those same allegations and questions like floating over his head. It's like, well, is this Is it 4 years ago?

Josh: Do you think that we like—

Crystal: It's the same thing ever again.

Josh: Do you think that we share some of the anxiety that the US has? So, for instance, like I find like the coronavirus stuff, the US experience versus the Australian experience, I feel like at the beginning there was, it seemed like we were all in the same boat or like it's all sort of happening to all of us. But over the past sort of sort of month, I feel like I've started to consume less US media because it feels like they're in a completely different arena. Have you noticed sort of the separation and why do you think that's happening?

Crystal: Yeah, absolutely. I only actually just started to go back to the news podcasts that I normally listen to in the last week. Because for the first like 5 weeks of working from home, I couldn't handle it. It was just way too much. It was giving me so much anxiety. Um, the US experience is totally different to our experience with coronavirus for one reason, and it's because their healthcare system is fucked. They can't— the vast majority of people can't actually access basic healthcare. So that's why there's their whole conversation around it is totally different. And, um, like you guys would have seen the protesters in various states saying like, we need to be able to open the economy back up, we need to go back to work, like lift the restrictions now. The rest of the world, and Australia in particular, is looking at that and going, wow, that seems crazy. You're gonna— people are gonna die, you're putting so many people at risk. But because they're— they don't have a public healthcare system it essentially means that if they can't work and make money, they're going to die anyway, right? Or at least they're going to— yeah, they couldn't pay for the treatment anyway. They're going to end up in extreme poverty anyway. So that kind of makes it a completely different choice that they are facing than the one that Australians are facing, because we know that if we got sick, we can be taken care of through a public healthcare system that's world-class and pretty solid.

Tommy: I mean, if you've been to the States, you can see it. I remember thinking the first time I went there, it's like you've got— it's the extremes, super rich, and then there's majority of the rest of them are just holding on. And so, I mean, was the writing on the wall? It's such a bizarre thing because then they front as this super powerful country, which they are. But I mean, you're only as powerful as your people. And if everyone's getting sick in the, you know, it causes— turns to shit. The footage of people with guns at those protests, like full semi-automatic machine guns. What the hell?

Josh: Yeah, it feels like the, um, the other interesting thing is that sort of independent sort of enterprise. It's interesting hearing Trump talk about all the companies. Like, I feel like in Australia there's been a few, like your Atlassians or whatever, helping with different apps, but in the US, like they've done, like Trump will do like a list. He's got— he goes through basically every like fast food company, you know, thank you to Popeyes, thank you to Chick-fil-A, you know, like it's— it is a very weird— and then there's also the, um, do you understand, Crystal, the, the deal with, um, how they take it— the government can take control over certain supply chains or whatever. Like I saw that they're doing something with meat at the moment. So, they're basically forcing—

Crystal: Oh, I hadn't read that.

Josh: Yeah. So, it's like that— I forgot what it's called, the exact term, but it's like basically when you're in war and you can control certain things. So, you keep— You can make sure that the masks and stuff are staying in the country, but they've just done that similar thing for meat because they reckon things like pork and chicken, all these things are starting to—, you know, be out of stock in different areas. But, um, now it is— I mean, on that media thing, are you, are you being selective now in what you're consuming? Like, what, what do you find triggers you at the moment?

Crystal: I'm starting to, yeah. As I said, I'm starting to open it back up. Um, I obviously have to be in a lot of news for work at my day job, um, so that's kind of it's hard to avoid. But I mean, like, I've only started just really listening to the podcast that I would normally listen to, just starting to do my like morning and evening cheque of news outside of work within the last 2 weeks. It was just way too much. I was freaking out.

Tommy: Oh, yeah. I mean, you're someone who writes articles and is good at it. I mean, I think about the people, you jump onto the New York Times or even news.com.au here in Australia, and you see like what I imagine is a rostered-on journalist that has to cover a certain time period, and they're pumping out this stuff. And I think about them going to bed at night, it definitely is weighing on their mind. As someone who is a writer, I mean, what is that? Because I can't write for shit. I can hardly even talk, Crystal, God help me. But, um, no, but what, what is that sort of aftermath of delving in and writing this kind of stuff on a journalist? What do you think?

Crystal: It's depending on what you're covering, it can take a really heavy toll. I mean, there's obviously people who have different, different beats. So someone who is maybe more in the entertainment and pop culture space might fare a little bit better than someone who covers like global news. But I think last year there was actually a landmark lawsuit brought against— I forget which publisher, so I won't say— but a news publisher. One of their legal reporters, so court reporter, actually sued them for the mental distress that she'd had to endure for the things that she had to hear and then write the storeys based on. And she was successful. And that was the first time that that has happened in Australia. She was basically saying that the employee assistance programme and the sort of like the mental health support programmes were inadequate and that they required her to keep going back and reporting on these really traumatic cases even after she had flagged that it was taking a toll on her. So it absolutely can weigh you down depending on your beat.

Josh: I mean, what are people consuming at the moment? You have access to that sort of, uh, what articles or media? What are you saying?

Crystal: I have some data I prepared for you earlier.

Tommy: Hopefully it's not from Seb's consumption because then that could be—

Josh: It's actually just a lot of tech news.

Crystal: It's not the top 10 of porn hubs.

Tommy: He loves it. I didn't say Crystal said it.

Josh: Can we just appreciate Mason's laugh? That open mouth thing, I could watch for days. You love it. Yeah, it's just like— Every time. Anyway, sorry, Crystal, go on. What are people consuming?

Crystal: Um, since the middle of March to now, to last week basically, so maybe just over a month, you would think that it would still be very heavily dominated by COVID-19 news, but it is not the case. Of the top 50 kind of trending, um, highest performing storeys of the month at my news publisher, it was about 60% non- COVID-related topics, and the other topics were Married at First Sight, Kylie Jenner, perfect, um, Harry and Meghan, Kmart launched a new collection of low-budget homewares, uh, Cadbury changed their logo. I must have missed this one, but apparently Cadbury changed their logo for the first time.

Josh: It's very minor, it's just some typography stuff. It's very funny though, design designers get right into it like, oh, it's stunning. And you look at it side by side, it's like, I think you just changed the font, didn't you? It's like, it's a beautiful sort of ode to the brand.

Mason: They've actually just changed the slant of it, that's all they've done.

Josh: Yeah, I think they've literally just gone in Photoshop and just gone through all the fonts. Yeah, yeah, that's all good. What about Kim Jong-un?

Crystal: Any love for North Korea? Not so much. That might have been maybe in the last week. So, I don't have quite as fresh data on that. Yeah. But also the— that really sad Melbourne traffic accident. Yeah. With the policeman, that was awful. Yeah. And that was one of the— Maybe go back to the other topics.

Josh: It was a type of storey that just like you feel like you have to read and you just feel yuck by the end of it. Like the guy, like— Even seeing Porsches, I mean, like there's already sort of the cliché about like Porsche owners already, but seeing that, like there was just the whole thing, I feel like really cements in your mind. The guy who was in the Porsche is like 300 meters, like, or 500 metres from our joint and drove past it the other day and the whole garage is all smashed in and stuff. But it was an interesting one because it makes you show, It makes you see that even really wealthy people who look like they're successful can be completely off their— What do you say? Off their chops? Off their rocker? Off their chops. Off their chops. Yeah, yeah. They're just absolutely insane.

Tommy: But I mean, nowadays too, media from Victoria, like storeys that break in Melbourne also It's interesting to see the impact around the country. And that was one that's around the country because I think it's connected to police officers, which, you know, everyone has experience and they are looking after a lot of us. Right. And so you see where it hits home for a lot of people. It's full on.

Josh: But just doing their job. I think anyone doing their job that, you know, is killed or whatever, I think that that's like a— everyone can relate to just showing up at work. I think that's why those sort of WorkSafe ads are so effective because we've all gone to work and been like, oh yeah, just get on the ladder or whatever. Well, you don't think—

Tommy: this is shit that you don't think about, right? It's like, that could have happened. How has that not happened before? Like, plenty of times. And it's— I think for that reason too is like, I drive down that exact road past that exact spot every single day, twice, 4 times a day if I'm dropping Amy off at work. And I see there's so many highway patrol cars and, you know, tow trucks picking people up. And that's where I pulled over to change the tire, and it was on my mind then. But now you just, you sense that people, it's on people's mind. And then hearing about like the service workers at hospitals, that are nurses passing away from this thing, it's just like, holy shit, makes me feel like what I'm doing has, you know, the contribution I mean, maybe I wonder if nurses were thinking this in the past, like, or now it's a, you know, a new thing. You— it's a new line of questions. Did they sign up for this?

Josh: Like, do you actually consider, like, so say if you're a flight attendant, do you ever actually consider that you're gonna have to fucking run around and get people's face masks on and fucking jump out of the plane and go down that slide and all that? Like, you prepare for it.

Tommy: Statistically, no, though. And that's— but But it doesn't mean that you can't be a statistic. Next door neighbour's a 40-year flight attendant with Qantas. And I asked her, have you ever had like serious turbulence?

Josh: That's such a good TJ question.

Tommy: I just wanted to know. I wanted to see people flying to the ceiling. And one time, what was it? It just like went like this, the plane. If you look at my hand, just went like this. Well, she said that again. Yeah, it went sideways and back up again, and it was on a flight to New Zealand, and the plane just went completely sideways and back up again. And it was just a fault, something happened, but it took— she's like, before I even realised what happened, it was back to normal. And that was it. But I mean, that's in a 40-year career, all that you can pull out. And so it is hard because— but I just wonder when it does become real for so many more. Do you start asking those questions before going in? Yeah, it's—

Crystal: I think it depends on the type of personality you are as well. Like, just listening to you tell that story, like, I'm the person who doesn't matter how many flights I take, every single time I think about what I would do if the plane started going down. Yeah, which is so morbid, but every single time. And like, if I'm walking on my own I'll think about if someone tries to grab me off the street, this is what I'll do.

Josh: Yeah, I'm a bit like that too. The key, do you do the keys in the between your knuckles? Yeah, yep.

Crystal: And I like, if it's during the day, I'll just have one. If I have my headphones on, I'll like have one off. And if it's at night, I absolutely won't have headphones on.

Josh: Well, I even noticed that like with in Collingwood, it gets a little bit sketchy at night, and I had my like 1DX or whatever big camera I was doing like the Alone Outside in the evenings, it would get real sketchy. But it's such a hit, like I was thinking to myself, I had to— you could just knock someone with the actual camera itself. But it is a full-on— Yeah, like I have been thinking more about over the last couple of years about safety around, say, like where our office is in Abbotsford. There's like a lot of heroin and just like overdoses and stuff like that. And it's like, I reckon there's definitely a time where I'm like, I would like to live somewhere where I can go outside and even Bree can go outside. Like, Bree went out the other day and she's like had 3 different junkies, or like she had to like cross the road 3 different times because people were losing their mind. Um, it'd be nice to be able to walk down the street and not worry that there's going to be someone fucking shitting on the apartment.

Crystal: But do you think that you'll just worry anyway, though? I mean, I like security.

Josh: I like having it. That's why I like apartments. I love that, like, I double-check the locks or whatever. And just because I know that so much crime is like opportunism, like it's just people just checking doors and shit.

Tommy: What's crazy though is for the people that don't worry about it or don't think about it, like we went and stayed at my wife's boss's house, holiday house, and no locks on the whole entire house. Zero. And I was like, and I felt at night I was like, oh fuck, because I'd gotten the pattern of checking the doors. Amy calls me Homeland Security. And so I'm just like, but I'm not even that paranoid about it. Like, I grew up in a house in a nice suburb and we didn't lock up much and it never got robbed. And so I'm sure people in that same street have been robbed and didn't lock up and My point being is the shit that happens at random to people, wrong place, wrong time, gets murdered, you know, has a crash. Like, the— like, I just wonder how much of this shit is preordained. I don't, I don't, I don't think I put weight on that. It's like it's in the stars, it's meant to be if it was, you know. But I also wonder the focus on it, how much attention does it bring it? It is the, you know, put it out into the world. So you think it's more likely—

Josh: you think that worrying about the security, you're more likely to have something like that happen.

Tommy: You're definitely more likely to notice any little thing. And so yeah, I'm trying to— I don't have the answer. I'm trying to go, having 40 million security cameras plus being super vigilant every single night, does it stop the thing that was just going to happen out of, you know, like circumstantially outside of your own place, your own safety? Like, think about walking down the street All the fights I've been in have been ones that haven't— I've probably thought about happening, and I've been angry when I was young or something like that. But then there's a people, friend of mine, that just one night these guys bashed him and put him in the, in the back of a ute, and he had a fractured face and full-on, like, but he didn't— he was just walking along. It was just a dude walking along, and then that happened. And so What the hell? It's like, do you say that's unlucky or it was just like wrong place, wrong time? I don't know. It's so, it's so such a weird existence that we're in because stuff can happen at any time.

Josh: But I guess you can, you can fix the odds by not hanging out with people. Yeah. That would do that. I think that that's probably part of it, right? Like if you are, if you get into a crowd where you're, um, doing criminal activity, you're probably likely to have something criminal happen to you. Surely that's how it sort of works.

Tommy: Well, definitely you're exposing yourself to these situations. But if you were to learn martial arts and have a sort of— you're focusing on combat, does that— does that attract scenarios where you could eventually use that style. I don't know. I don't know. I'm just sort of floating that sort of like what you, you know, you're thinking you're less likely to talk yourself out of being robbed if you know martial arts.

Josh: Like, if I like, I would like to think that I would, like, my plan is to, um, act crazy if someone tries to rob me. I just out-crazy them. So yeah, well, no, I just think you're like, like, what are they like? That's going to freak them the fuck out, right? Like, you want them to get to a point where it's like, stop it, stop it. Yeah.

Crystal: Um, you want them to get to the point where they are running away from you. Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: Yeah, they started the fight and then they're running away.

Josh: Yeah, I don't know. But, um, what about—

Crystal: Do you know what? Activity would be super interesting. This will be more positive. Okay, this is something I've been thinking about the past couple of days because I've been listening twice a day, as much as I can, for pretty much 7 days a week. Super gronk. I think there should be a person— like a BuzzFeed quiz. Yeah, you know, which Disney princess are you? But which daily talk show? Oh, gronk. Yeah, sure.

Josh: Are you likely to cut?

Crystal: Are you a Tommy? Are you a JJ? Are you a Serbs? Someone needs to make that. I think that's great.

Josh: But I mean, there's a lot of— How do we— Maybe we need some sort of— I just worry that it gets hurtful. So, we just would need some form of person with some sort of psychological— Hurtful for who? I don't know. It could be you. I could imagine people, you know, I don't want you to get hurt.

Tommy: One of the questions could be, if a friend offered you their holiday house, would you take it up? You know, these kind of—

Josh: Oh, yeah, that's a good one.

Crystal: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: Scenario.

Mason: Would you be the guy that asks someone how much that's worth?

Josh: Yeah. If you're at Grilld, if you're at Grilld, are you likely to buy the chips for your mate or just take a couple of theirs?

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I like this. Alright, this is good. It could be like—

Josh: So, how do you do it? Like what? So, how did the— I've never done a BuzzFeed quiz in my life. Is it— Is it just the word? Do I need to get Blaz on to this to build the site? Like, do we need to? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can get on Blaz's case. Do we need this for tomorrow?

Crystal: They're just little decision trees, aren't they? Yeah. There was a big, there was a big scandal like a couple of years ago when BuzzFeed in the States was, was like being bought out or they were going under. And it turns out that like they had this little community of readers and lots of very young, like under 18 kids that were actually generating the quizzes and generating like all of this traffic and revenue for BuzzFeed that they were really monetizing. That's correct. But they were just like teenagers in their bedrooms like making which type of cheese are you, and they would like go viral. That's great. So I feel like just get Seb's onto it. Yeah, Seb's—

Josh: I don't know if he, if he gets the DHL thing across the line. We can sort of get them across to content.

Crystal: Or maybe you could do more low touch, one of those, like the meme ones where it's all the different pictures and it just has the dot points underneath.

Josh: Yeah. There's so many though. Would you answer a call? Will you make a call? Are you likely to? Oh, there's so many examples, isn't there?

Tommy: Hug, kiss or handshake. Prick, cut, cut.

Josh: I mean, this is the whole thing. I was wondering about this, like, are we going to Like, have we thought about hugging and kissing and handshakes and stuff? Like, are we going to be able to do this anytime soon? What's the protocol going to be? What's there going to be the new— Krystal, do you know what the new greeting could be? Because I feel like the elbow thing's a bit of a bit dumb.

Crystal: Elbow taps getting old. I'm just so excited to hug people again, though. I think as soon as we can, people will go back to it straight away. Yeah.

Tommy: What did we do, Krystal, when we first met? When you met us, what did we do? I can't remember.

Crystal: I can't remember. Maybe it would either been a handshake or a kiss on the cheek. I'm really big on—

Tommy: Steves hugged, I reckon.

Crystal: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't actually know if— I think Steves might have just waved.

Tommy: No, that is his thing. Hi.

Crystal: Hey, just back here behind the mixer, you know. Hi. I appreciate that as a woman. Meeting men, I have to take the lead and just show what, like, be really forthright and show what I'm comfortable with because it can be uncomfortable for men to—

Josh: Well, that's my whole thing.

Crystal: Is it okay if I come in?

Josh: And if we could just, if we could do hugs across the board, I'd be happy with that. My anxiety is in overstepping or, um, you know, like, but especially in that, like, TJ, this would be one of the personality things. Would you kiss a female on a work-related greeting. And TJ's definitely done that before, done it. You did it at the City of Melbourne when we were doing the Visit Vic stuff. I remember that 'cause you did one and then you tried to do it the second time and I nearly had a panic attack.

Tommy: See, I can't remember that. I mean, guys, I'm the guy that tried to kiss a Muslim woman and she stopped me in my tracks. No, no, no. She had a burqa on and everything. I should have read the room.

Josh: I just didn't. It's a bit of a nightmare. Really fucked that one.

Tommy: The hugs are safe though.

Josh: The hugs are good just because it's like, I worry about like makeup and transfer and stuff like that. Like if you've got your face of makeup and you're at a presentation night, I don't want, I don't give a fuck about like what I'm wearing, but I'm worried that all of a sudden you're gonna have a patch because I've sort of shouldered you or something like that, you know?

Crystal: That's very considerate.

Tommy: Thank you. I mean, I've been more concerned about my white shirt. I don't think it's— I've never seen the effect of it on their face when they've hugged me. Well, it's got to—

Josh: if it's come off, they don't have it.

Tommy: Yeah, no, but it's not, it's not a fucking centimetre thick layer. It's just a dusting of, you know, bronzer or something. What about air kisses?

Josh: Is that like— that's a bit, that's a bit lame, isn't it? Air kisses?

Crystal: I'm not a fan of the air kisses.

Josh: What about the— so when we, um, when we're in the US, we bumped into friends from Europe and it was Mimi. Do you remember this, TJ? And like, she's a double kisser, but it's— where did we do that? That was on— in, uh, was it Venice? Where, where's, um, when we're walking with Dia Vallon? Ah, that's right.

Mason: Yeah, yeah, Venice, Venice. Yeah.

Josh: And so I did do the double kiss, like I sort of had watched YouTube videos where she'd been in them and seen that she was a double kisser. And so I was able to execute on One of my first double kisses. But then it's just, it's working out, is it the left? Is it the right first? Is it— It's— Anyway, we don't need to get into it.

Tommy: I think it's more of a problem for the double kisses of the world, to be honest.

Josh: No, I think if you're in Europe, I think that a single kiss is like what you sort of— Did you get busy halfway through? Like, it feels— It's an unfinished— It's like shaking someone's hand, but then not putting any pressure.

Tommy: I mean, the thing is there's so many great gronks in it. There's so many great gronks that I want to just cuddle when I see them for the first time. But do we do that?

Josh: Yeah, we could. It's a little hug station. I mean, that's the funny thing with the Minimalists when I filmed them, Josh and Ryan, they have a lot, like I reckon that they had anxiety around it. And so they have a line which is like, I'm a hugger. And so, they go in for the hugger, like, and they— Everyone knows, like, it's gotten to the point where their community, it's like, oh, you're a hugger, like, I'm here for my hug. And that's too much for me. I don't want it. So, they announce it before. Yeah, I don't want to talk about it.

Crystal: You go in and you say, I'm a hugger.

Josh: You do think that's too much? I'm a hugger. It feels— Yeah. Because it's also like, it's expressing, because the issue isn't whether you're a hugger, it's whether they're a hugger, isn't it? Like, that's the the— they're missing the point, I think.

Crystal: And also, if you're walking towards someone with open arms, what else could that possibly mean?

Josh: Yeah, but the thing is, what is it like? Has— Sebbs, have you ever been rejected from a hug?

Mason: Not that I can remember. I feel like it'd definitely stand out if I had. Like, I think I'd remember it if I— it'd be—

Josh: yeah, it wouldn't be great. I don't think— I've kissed someone's ear before. Yeah, I mean, you have that.

Mason: You have that.

Josh: Because it's— that's the whole one where it's like you go for the hug, but you think it's a hug and kiss.

Mason: Think about how loud that would have been for them.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my ears ringing. No, but there could be— I mean, the other option is like Crystal, if you do the— you were talking about it was either handshake or a kiss. If you do the kiss, is— should you be hugging at the same time? Like, I feel like the kiss without the hug is actually less personal potentially.

Crystal: Yeah. A kiss and a hug is like quite intimate, isn't it?

Josh: But it feels like that, that feels like it makes more sense. Just a kiss and then like moving away. I don't know. But we don't have to worry about that anymore.

Tommy: What are you going to do with Grace, Mr. 97? Because that's you. You've got more.

Josh: Here we go. Yeah. Here we go.

Mason: Are you going to run the— No, okay. Oh yeah, we did it.

Josh: Yeah, we can run the banner. Oh, you want to? Yeah. What are you going to do the first time?

Mason: The first time I meet Grace, it'll be a kiss.

Josh: Of course it's going to be a kiss. What sort of— Is it like a French kiss at the airport? Is that too much? Is a French kiss at the airport too much? Yeah, potentially. I don't know.

Mason: Nah, I don't know.

Tommy: The best thing is that if she comes in the moment, you know, Russ will be fine with it. You need to quarantine for 14 days. You've first met, that's going to be great. Love that.

Josh: I mean, yeah, I think like it's the greeting thing. I feel like we should actually have some standards, like roll out community. Yeah, Gronkh rules. Like if we could get some Gronkh rules, like we could actually fix all of these issues in society. Like let's just dial it all in. Let's have a protocol. You WhatsApp me if you're not comfortable with a hug beforehand.

Mason: You want to do it?

Josh: Or maybe in the VIP Gronkh—

Mason: We'll put it in the Airtable.

Josh: In the VIP Gronkh, in the— we'll do a dropdown, hug, kiss, handshake, high five, and you just select which one. Or wave.

Mason: Are we putting wave in there? Wave's pretty fun.

Josh: I mean, wave's— yeah.

Tommy: I mean, you know what the one thing about this time is that everyone's on the same page. You don't have to do anything. You just acknowledge each other. G'day. And so when you see anyone, it's just standing back. It has taken any ambiguity out of it, so it has been nice in that respect. Yeah.

Josh: All right, any, any other news, Crystal? Anything else happening in your, your life?

Crystal: I'm very excited for tomorrow. Are you guys pumped?

Josh: Yeah, I mean, so we need to still deliver. We've got, um, so we did 18 orders via DHL and then we're doing 20, 20, 20, and so then we're doing the rest via hand. And so how many orders? There was 29 additional orders, I guess. But then there was a few that are just like local, that like Bree and stuff like that, that have already— Rory and stuff. And so we're now going to— we basically— getting his by hand. Who was that?

Crystal: Sorry, is Adam Brewer getting his by hand?

Josh: Oh yeah, no, yes, he will, he will be. Yeah, Richmond Tommy will be dropping that off when— great. Um, picking up Amy from work. But then if you're in Brunswick, TJ, is it okay? Can you go to Brunswick? There's 4 orders in Brunswick. Oh, pretty, yeah, that's a chunk. We'll definitely get the— and then, uh, Berwick, Clyde North, Cranbourne, and, uh, Warragul. Uh, Seb and I are going to be doing that delivery straight after this. I won't leave the car. But Sebs will run in and drop it off, but I will wave, wave from the outside. It's a corona thing. And then, and just speed. Yeah, just speed. Huh? It's just a speed thing. You're not driving, I'm gonna drive.

Mason: Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, I thought you said, and just speed as into the next one.

Tommy: Oh yeah. Well, the big question is though, Crystal, are we going to make today's episode at 4 PM? 'Cause if we're going to, we gotta wrap this up and get on the road.

Josh: So are you gonna, Crystal, are you gonna get involved? So you're gonna be at Friday night drinks? Yes, I am.

Crystal: And if you guys need me to do something tomorrow, just let me know.

Josh: Oh, perfect. Well, we're gonna do the commitment crew. Commitment crew is probably too much for you if you're working on tomorrow because commitment crew, I'm gonna do a WhatsApp now to everyone in the VIP Gronks. Commitment Crew will be in a Zoom call, and the Commitment Crew stays on for 24 hours. We're going to play games, there's going to be rewards, all of that sort of stuff. But it means that we can cut to you at any time, and we can have a bit of banter and all that sort of thing. So it could be 8 in the morning, it could be 2 in the morning, it could be middle of the day. And so get your, um, you'll just need to have your computer or whatever set up Um, also will sleep with us, have us on their laptop in there. Surely that's kind of cute. But I think the other thing too is, uh, what— Gemma, JJ does this thing every time he tells me I'm doing a special thing. Tells me I'm doing— oh no, Gem, we're gonna have you on as well. No, Gem, it's all Gronk Squad. Then I found out on the show that it's actually for everyone. No, it's for the VIP Gronks, but, um There's also the Gronk Cam. And so, the Gronk Cam is if you have a good view, if you live, it doesn't matter where you are, you could be in suburbia, you could be in the city, you could be in a regional town, anywhere in the world. We've got our mate Charles in Bathurst who just turned 17. Happy birthday, by the way. Yeah, turned 17 today. Happy birthday, Charles. Happy birthday, Charles. Charles is going to be managing the Gronk cams, so you basically can show your view. If you've got a great view, all you need is an iPhone or an Android. You plug it into power, you point it out to— out your window, and then we'll cross to Charles and say, Charles, what's, what's happening on the Gronk cams? And we'll have different areas.

Tommy: I also thought, I also thought not limited to views. What about if you have a sick fish tank? And we just cheque in.

Josh: That would be great.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I love that. If you've got something on the slow cooker and we cheque in on—

Mason: or if you work in an aquarium, that'd be great.

Josh: If you work in a what?

Mason: In an aquarium. They're all closed.

Tommy: Uh, well, I mean, you can still work there and feed it. Sure. Yeah, it's a big ask. They're all rotten tanks. Look, if you just work anywhere where there's something going on, yeah, we want it.

Josh: Ozpost facility, how great would that be? Yeah, good. DHL?

Mason: Yeah, yeah, that works as well.

Tommy: Yeah, maybe answer your phone.

Mason: Maybe we'll see our orders.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, we could, uh, great, we could get that. And so, um, thanks everyone. We'll, we'll be sending you messages before we go to your place as well.

Tommy: But, um, and also Crystal Casey is buying your book. She just listened to the last episode you were on and it was one of her favorites. So if you haven't already, bless your soul.

Crystal: Thank you.

Tommy: How to win every argument.

Josh: Love it. Thank you, Crystal. Thank you for being a top quality gronk. And hopefully 24 hours will be okay and everything will be good. And yeah, it would be good to get you to jump on. Maybe it'd be good to do some form of trivia or maybe we could do some form of quiz. Maybe we could start working on this gronk quiz.

Tommy: I love that. Yeah, I love the gronk quiz.

Josh: Because I've got a bunch of like, yeah, because we could do a bunch of yes or nos pretty quickly. Build something out. Um, so all right, leave it with us. Thank you, Crystal. Thank you, everyone. Uh, happy birthday again, Charles. Uh, Grace has said happy birthday in the chat. Uh, okay, we're off to do some deliveries. Uh, you can listen to us through the podcast, obviously, but tomorrow, 7 AM Friday to 7 AM Saturday— TJ, I've gotten really good not asking TJ, um, service— what he's laughing at because it'll be dumb. It'll be because I stumbled or something. Yeah, why was it? What was it?

Crystal: No, it was literally—

Josh: he just did it. You just— I can't help myself. 7 to 7, it's gonna be massive. We've got a bunch of amazing guests and we'd love for you to be a part of it. And we'll be reading the chat and, you know, getting amongst it. So we'll, uh, we'll see you at 4 PM. Otherwise, uh, have a good one, guys. Thanks, Crystal.

Tommy: See you guys.