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It's a daily

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Talk Show Episode 638. And we got

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Pete Shepard who's not in the building, but he's in a building and that is he's, he's, um, he's map studio. I mean, our studio.

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Yeah, actually my house. Yeah, you're in the house, but

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you have a map the size of our podcast desk behind you, which is kind of nice. How much you pay for that.

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I have no idea. It was a gift. I got it as a gift for my 30th birthday today. So I'm pretty happy with it. It looks great.

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And so we've nice isn't a JJ you've seen? Yes. It's very nice. Yeah, it's great. It's, I don't know how accurate it is. What do you mean? Well, it's a it's gone. Um, it's milligramme brand. Which milligrammes? Great but they're they're a company known for their aesthetic. They're not really sort of known for their names. No, yeah, I wouldn't think so. And so it's sort of like a high class typo. And so, I think like, it's beautiful. I think it does exactly what you want it to do, which is sort of signal that you're a traveller.

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traveller because I mean, who's a traveller at the moment? Hmm, well,

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I'm not even allowed into the studio and calling it apparently I've been told to stay no would you said Well, this was the test we thought like okay, shits happening, things are changing. We laughed at at the start. All of a sudden client jobs are changing.

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What else is there to do other than like, laugh at it? Otherwise you just one or the others? But then what I'm finding like one of the one of the dummy dummies that seemed to be making fast out of nothing. Well,

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it feels like there's an in between, right? What's the in between? I think the in between, like ignoring it. No, no, no. So if you've got like, really worrying about it on one side of the spectrum, and then you've got buying toilet paper in bulk on the other. There's probably a

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way that people really worrying about it.

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So it's not the other side. Oh, wait, no, so you've got an

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assignment. So really wiring and yeah and toilet paper. Yeah. Or laughing about it. Yeah. And then there's probably something in between which is like, like it's sort of the toilet paper sheets funny. But the, but I still will wash my hands.

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Yeah, I mean that is a good thing if you if you've just started washing hands now because of this.

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You should look.

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I love that you say that?

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Yeah, okay.

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How you feeling about it all paid the coronavirus.

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It's been a weird week, I was a bit like you guys. I was a bit dismissive of it, I think in the past. And then this week in particular, I had a trip to Sydney get cancelled black clients. And I meant to be in New York for a month in April. But that's looking pretty dicey. Have you? Not yet. No, I have flexible flights that I can buy at the last minute, but we're at accommodation and all that. So logistically, I don't think I'm going to be going to New York in April. So I'm just sort of like, what do I do with that month that I was planning on? Nope. Yeah.

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Well, George, you're meant to go to Japan.

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Yeah, can I get a Japan in three weeks, but I probably can

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probably count it. You might as well go.

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Now I'm not going. Okay, I

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probably can't you

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booked my flights through Jetstar last year in October. And so I was like talking to them. I was like, Oh, can I change my flights? Because on their website it says change without a fee. Free. And, and she's like, Yeah, but you got to pay fee. I was like, Why? It's like, because you can only change for free. If you booked between the 10th of March and the 31st of March. So idiots. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. would it change? Dumb the dumb fee?

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That is annoying. Well, I guess what they're trying to do is promote. They want to give a safeguard for people to be like, Hey, man, it's like there's no there's no risk. Yeah, I was saying flights for 700 bucks returned to LA. And I said and I said to Bray last weekend. I get very antsy when it comes to booking Brady likes to really double check with their work and all this. Like, why I'm like, No, you don't like don't give people options. You say like, this is one of these. This is where I'm going away like funny jobs.

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Have you finished that based on a

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travel? Only one.

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It's true, but and so, but the funny thing was I said to Brian, I was like, No, we're definitely going away. And,

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um, but yeah, my mom's booked flights for LA in January, March, April, May, I think,

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May or June and she's doing the whole um,

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it's a yoga retreat. Like it's not a great

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place like a yoga retreat outside up there in regards to getting I mean,

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here's the thing Ryan's taking it talking to Joe dodge. It's more the fact like, if you get sick in Japan, Hmm, what are you doing? Who's paying for that you're travelling shoot, like, the hospital support over there. It's not it's like, it's like thinking about deal who cut his finger here in the studio. If I did that, while in LA With you gronk like you don't even think about those little things, let alone the shit like getting a serious, serious, you know,

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anything serious. That changed the travel ban rules and I'm stuck. Yeah,

5:12
I'll be honest I don't feel like I bought I haven't bought into a bunch of this but I am. I'm not I'm not worrying in terms of feeling panic, because I'm like, I know that whatever happens if our business shifts itself based on this, we will be fine. Yeah, we're pretty privileged to live in a place like Melbourne, you know? And so we'll be fine if I can move home with my parents. Sorry, guys. You know, but now I think we're sorry mom taking the rodeo.

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I know she's been quarantine for six months

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but I'm damn I have what's in the fridge? I'm definitely concerned. I've never I've never felt like this.

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I really 97 we're trialling all different types of tech. I reckon with the new mics. Would you need to just bring your mic level a little bit down because I think because it's louder than 90 t Jays voice is I'm hitting your noise gate, really? So you can hear a little bit more room. It's a little bit Rumia. But wait, we're dialling everything in

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just quickly. That is $369.

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Wow, Tracy, you just looked it up.

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I looked at milligramme or whatever it is. So what's the size of it?

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Well, 1.7 times 1.2 metre.

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Yeah, it says,

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yeah. You can probably get one shape at Kiki K, because they're going out of business.

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If you have this Yeah, they've just gone into it. Is it receivership? What's the difference between receivership and administration administration? administrators come in to do something like that maybe the receivership is the bit where like someone else has taken over? Do you know dodge? No. Do you know

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Pete Shepard? No, I have no idea.

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No, I mean, I'm glad that we're not savvy on this because as a baby into receivership or premier administration,

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I've been one of those Where when I say like, I'm expecting everyone to think exactly the way that I think so when I said to George, do you know me? And he said, No, he was just looking at me had his computer there his he googled how much the milligramme map costs, but it was too much to be like, I would have worked out the difference. Yeah,

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whenever we asked you guys behind the desk,

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all I would do I just say, I don't know, because I don't have my computer.

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We we don't think that when we ask you George it's not because we think you're the smartest guy.

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Honest that

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stration was to protect companies from their creditors whereas receivership is initiated by the creditors or banks that believe the business can pay off. Sure. So what

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is voluntary administration or whatever and the other one is just like hey, we we've been trying to get this paid. And so the voluntary administration I think that's what kkk has done where they're like, guys with factory can't pay all this someone

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needs to come in and shuffle shit around. Well, you

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Cuz like when you start a company you sign that whole thing like every year. The accountant sends us an email but being like that we have to sign where it's like you're currently not insolvent. Like you need to make sure that like as a director if you are operating a business that's insolvent, so it can't pay its bills. You need like operating insolvent like when you're insolvent is the bad bit as a director if you say hey guys, we're fact straightaway as soon as you can't pay them, then you're a little bit more protected.

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Paid Sheppard. What do you when when something like this happens? Where does your mind go? Are you thinking about the future? Are you thinking about this is for coronavirus, not kkk? No, but just like when something I mean, this is new for all of us. We grew up hearing about sighs all these all these other ones that they didn't affect this like you think about being a kid. I didn't think about my dad and his business and the impact on that and me staying home from school. It's like only until I'm older and I spoke to a daycare manager, the person who manages the daycare centre. I said, if someone gets sick here, does the whole centre shot that Yeah. And then the logical thing is everyone's kid who's their their parents should stay home and quarantine, if they want to sort of stopped. Does that make sense? Right? And that's like, that is so much pressure on parents. And so it's when I think about my parents back in the day, I was like, fuckin stay off. Yes. Like not actually has impact. So what what's the thought for you? And the seven kids you've got? Well, I

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mean, the one of the moms, so that's easy to clients.

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I think the flow on effects are interesting, in a number of ways. Like there's the the logistical stuff, like you mentioned TJ around, who's gonna stay at home and look after the kids even when they get sent home from school or daycare or when people get sent home from university, which I suspect is probably going to happen at some point. But then if Like the flip side I've been thinking about a lot is the, in some ways the benefits of forced working from home and forced people figuring out how to use zoom and other technologies in order to keep business running, but not have everyone in the same room. So I'm like curious that basically, a bunch of stuff is about to change. And he's already changing. And I think there'll be some good and some bad. And I'm curious how it might play out in the context of like big business, for example, who always doing meetings always in the same room always going to the same central office. Unlike does this change that now does this open the door to people realising that? You know, I've been working remotely for almost three years and like, I wonder if now that's going to become more common?

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In with it with the thing around travel? Do you like it? At what point would you be comfortable travelling versus not like what's your Filter at the moment.

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My, my filter changed I think in the last 24 hours in that. At the start of the week, I was like, oh, if they let me on a plane, I'll go to New York, because I'm not necessarily going to a conference where there's people coming from all around the world. I'm just one guy

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who's coming from somewhere around the world.

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So you're the actual guy.

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Yeah, but the my understanding of most of those international conferences is like 300 people coming from around the world. Yeah. And I'm one guy, but in the last 24 hours, I've started to think more about and there's been quite a bit of panic and change in New York, especially. They just shut down all Broadway shows in the NBA all that's just shut down in the last 24 hours. Madison Square gardens have like shut their area. Yeah, yeah. And so now I'm probably not going to go and I think it's not out of fear of getting sick. It's probably more out of like, the logistical nightmare of going over there is just too great now and the problem Like negligence now in catching up with clients or trying to catch up with people over there. It almost seems negligent now to be the guy that just flew over from Australia when basically no one's really travelling anymore. So

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I saw Ryan john, and Matt was on the plane this week. Uh, fuck all people on the plane. Yeah, sorry little people.

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I got a message. You know, sorry. I got a message from a mate this morning. He flew to Sydney to go to work at this the cricket game. And he said the plane was a third full and then he landed to discover that they're not letting crowds in and so he doesn't even need to be there anyway.

12:38
He probably should have checked just got the you got approval this morning to go and in the hour and a half flight is there's no crowds. Well, I saw around so Missy Higgins, who in Australia is an iconic singer. Her dad is a doctor and was was on the news because he had Corona virus didn't know at the time. So 70 patients Missy has come out for the first time did you just say this Instagram? And she was basically I can read the the exact thing that she said, What did you take from her? Well, I took like, because it got me thinking about people's perception of other people. So say, Pete, if you were to go to New York, you're the you're the traveller, you're the the foreign person. You're the I think in the eyes of the media, the person who could be the infector. Right.

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Yeah, and so, I mean, you think about last night, I think paper so Amy's always, like being hypersensitive to how other people around her are feeling. And it could be based on something that she's done, but then sort of really, really feels the other person and how they might be seeing her and that kind of stuff. Like I think a lot of people experience that right. And so if you're the person that gets it, added your child at a daycare centre That puts a real you know, like, I think that is a real feeling that a lot of people are going to experience of like, I'm, I can I'm like fuck if I get I'm like whatever. Yeah, but I think a lot of people be like, fuck I've heard so many people I've seen so many businesses

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especially of like then like how long? Just think about it's all good like saying we don't mind or whatever. But then no clients want to say yes. I mean it puts us back to

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branding 97 fucking sneezing eight times earlier in the week. No wonder I was upset last weekend I sneeze. eyes were watering. I was sneezing shitloads I felt a bit off. No, no, no, no, no, I didn't. If I had allergies. I read this like allergies, the flu coronavirus symptoms and dude I didn't know I had allergies. I was fine with allergies just near to the demos, and

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I probably do. So this is what Missy Higgins says on Instagram. Hi everyone. wi o ei H Wow. Or

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Whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa,

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whoa, whoa,

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Hi, everyone. Crazy, crazy times given the amount of misinformation out there at the moment, I just want to let you all know that our little family is completely healthy and fine. We've been told none of us are at risk of having caught it. But we're laying low anyway, just because people will seem to be freaking out around us. Nonetheless, there was a lot of fear around feels a little like the world is going bonkers. And the media isn't helping with that. And she goes on the media not helping with that. Yeah, I mean, what what is the job of the media in a time like a pandemic?

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What do you think?

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My first response is to report the facts. And I think the danger and the danger in the media at the moment, just in general in society is that their businesses, so they're trying to make money so the fact that they can you Use stories like this to make money is to me concerning because there's almost no, almost no duty of care on what they put out because what they're putting out is just seeking to create more demand for more news because they're a business. But it's probably too utopian to say that the media should be reporting the facts because the reality is they're all businesses. So they're all pushing different stories and headlines and information.

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I think the reality is the information they're pushing is whether it's right or wrong, or hyperbolic or not. Is could be reducing spend that advertisers are putting into businesses like this. Like, you're just going to cut spending if you can't pay for anything. You can't pay staff. It seems weird. Like if no Yeah,

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well, it feels like that they like the media would be thriving in this time. In regard when bad shit happens. Everyone you know turns on the telly or they read the news. Interestingly on the business side of things, abunch of the newspapers where coronavirus has where people have been affected or infected with it. They're opening up the paywall for content related to try and avoid your new

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york times.

17:13
No, I already I pay three times. So you're getting good. Well, I'm not

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actually not. It's not everything. It's it's literally a Corona virus section. Sure. So there's information around Corona virus is free of charge, not behind the paywall.

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And so I think Jeff Bezos, he owns Washington Post, and so people have been tweeting him. It's funny, it's open it up though. Yeah, it seems like every single thing that happens in the world now, people's first response is to go to Jeff bushfires. Yes, Jeff. cap. Jeff, what are you doing, man? It's just like it does feel pretty. Um, yeah. And when he gave a million bucks to the the bushfires paper with a man only a million. It is it is an interesting time when You think about, like, don't you think we'll look back at 2020 and be like, man, can you believe that we like lived through 2020? Like how fucked would like you had the bushfires? Like, yeah. Isn't it interesting how? I haven't heard a single conversation of light about climate change?

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No. Well, it's brushed over based on the fire stopping and this new thing happening.

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And so I think that there's something interesting around that, which is like how perspective shifts and everyone's like, your chip off the old book. But I think like it, it's the, you're referring to my dad. Yeah, the photo tray, the sunburn

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tray.

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But it's like all of a sudden, it seemed less important about this. Yes, yes. But I think that the if you look at it from a perspective of as a whole, it's all a bit negative. That's a fact. We select whether it's, if it's not going to be the climate, that's factor. It's going to be, you know, some virus. Yeah. What do you want to be my words? May laughing Okay,

19:09
you know, the tech companies have actually done a pretty decent job in, in the spreading of information and stuff like YouTube has a little Australian government pop up that will give you like latest information from the government. And I think Google's manipulating a bunch of their search results to prioritise like World Health Organisation and all that sort of stuff.

19:28
I've got a question for you, Pete. When you say Tom, like this is very fresh, but how do you go about developing new business? When your mind is thinking like, it's almost like if you're leveraged? No, no, no, if you're truly like, facemask, the shoulders, the what are the opportunities within this for businesses like ours that everybody could think about? But then there's being empathetic if you are, I mean, I'm a cold hearted as hell. But if you're For me, I even feel like I'm empathetic for the person I would be reaching out to. And it feels like if you say, hey, how would you like to, you know, engage in some business? Not you say like,

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the sales script is fucking dog. Okay, let's

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put on you. How do you land new client in this time? Is it on your mind thinking? What's their position? How they affected? Do they have money? Do they want to spend cash? Is my service to them required in this time? Will it? Will they drop this or you know?

20:35
Yeah, I tend to think thought about this even in the last couple of days, I've actually tended to back off and just be like, you know what, I gotta respect the fact that there's a bunch of people struggling with a bunch of stuff around the world right now. So I've got proposals out there were certain people that usually I would just check in and go, Hey, how are you feeling about that? Do you wanna have a chat and I've just decided not to just if you've ever recognised part of the Is there a problem with that? Though where, like, say people stopping marketing, stopping all that sort of thing is like, even if so, whether the corona virus ends up being a really big thing, or like it ends up sort of tasting obvious ends, yeah, infection right around that topic for the populace. So

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are we going to potentially fuck ourselves just by changing our normal behaviour?

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And then it's out? Can you call out because I know it can be an excuse, right? Like if sales isn't a thing, but you need a follow up prospective clients, and you're going up, you're hot. I feel that inside and and it's a hiding mechanism. And so I don't I can't and I don't know how to read this feeling I'm having, like, yeah,

21:38
I totally agree with that. Because I usually hide I usually don't like the sales and the reaching. That's like my least favourite part. Yeah. Yeah, I think what I'm too, like

21:47
I like it. Hey, I'm just like a guy said to you, I might, hey, maybe we should do this. Maybe we should just like old stopped working remote for a bit and just work out a few other things. I didn't say also to just quickly pay for a tweet that said, What's the chance that you ate all of your snacks on the first day?

I reckon that would. I could imagine that happening in a big way.

22:16
Yeah, especially when you don't like tuna and most things that are in occasionally. I like to do it

22:21
some imposter. No, I like it. The interesting I've talked about on the show, one of the first times I ever ate tuna, and I said to them, it was a catering thing. I said, Man, this is the best chicken sandwich I've ever had. Like, what's the what's the dressing? And I said, Well, that's tuna. And they like they put it in this mayonnaise II thing. I think I'd deal

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up some deal bit of mayo and mix it together.

22:45
My problem, I think, is it's a chip it would I I can't connect. I find that like putting it into the sandwich. It's almost the equivalent of maybe like, slaughtering a cow and then eating the beef like it's too amusing. it too much in its raw material into hard imagining I can it's it's what I can What

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about like vegans that are like only eating fresh produce they need

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delicious now imagine if they had plans

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I'm talking about people that don't like the they want a box a boxer that's they go to

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their whole foods that they're in trouble unless you're on a farm.

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Yeah.

23:27
Anyway what's some positiveness in your life pace?

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What are you what are you happy about? Kp mon. It's pretty insensitive to say anything happy

23:37
based on that nothing.

23:40
There's nothing Well,

23:42
no, I think I think I the thing that I'm not feeling horribly about it, but worried about it is a weird thing. Because it's like, if it was just you, and no one else experiencing this, maybe you'd feel that like, Oh my god, but I think everybody is so that's where I am. Take a bit of solace in like, no, we're all in this position so we can get on

24:03
with it. I just vibe that we're all together. We're all like experiencing that. Like, it's actually like a bit of a community thing

24:10
through I saying prison Trump, you know, from the White House and wherever it is. That's like, looks like a set. Right? Yeah. And he's doing he's address to the world. It's like, it's what you're saying films

24:22
will scope as address was the first address to the nation since the GFC. Yeah, really into perspective? Since 2008 2008.

24:31
Yeah. So what's his own address to the nation is different than just streaming on Facebook? Yes.

24:35
It's just like when you know, all channels are on you for this time. Yeah.

24:39
Ah, so they are all radio where we should have had scammer, we could have put him on the daily talk. We could have been one of those channels.

24:48
Yeah. It's like, as a pure, purely intellectual exercise. It's pretty fascinating like just observing and witnessing on a global scale the the things that are happening happening intellectually Then like emotionally it's fairly traumatic for obviously thousands and thousands of people

25:05
yeah George Can you pull up like a Spanish times or you know the equivalent of a New York Times in in Spain Mason you pull up one in like Russia? I wonder if you can access it. Oh go I'll go California California yeah California Italy is a fact the fact I so I want to find would be just trying to go like this snapshot at a you know, the

25:29
George trying to pick a holiday destination the moment

25:33
it would be good, like the California times like so if you just go to any of these websites, how, how obnoxious are they being

25:41
in regards to reporting give me them. This is a pre record. So this is I'm recording this on Friday. So if by Sunday someone big has died, we're not covering it to two.

25:52
trailers lockdown first four towns quarantine. It's a common virus coronavirus. But yeah,

26:02
so LA Times like he just jumped on like the whole page is filled. Same with Russia same Yeah, so this is the world and this is why it's spreading so hard as in the media, the news and people's fear and the thought just attention to think about if you had access to see vibrations and thoughts relating to this and this whole saga imagine what that would look like on some kind of like heat map.

26:28
So I'm just looking at the Jakarta post. I thought that would be interesting because I went down this rabbit hole or shall I say a bat at home? Last week, around like bats in general. I was trying to understand like, I was just getting a bit sick about bats.

26:48
Bats if I can discuss Yeah,

26:49
and so I was looking at Do you know why? I don't know that much info but the little bits that I took from it. Did you know they block

26:59
you that Sona.

27:01
So there's a bloke who trained himself to Sona. Yeah. It's crazy.

27:06
Bush works in the nighttime fish walks in the nighttime, same clients trees in the bush. There's videos of him mountain biking.

27:13
It's called

27:14
I'm Superman. I think it's Superman. They did like a one of those not the one of those beautiful podcast stories where it's like,

27:23
anyway, well, the the interesting thing I found out about bats is one of the reasons why they're so good at holding on to these disease or like viruses that spread forum to humans is because when they're flying, their body temperature is around 40 degrees. And so the viruses that can hold I feel like 90 seconds looking at me like man, you're way out of school talking about 40 degrees and so because, like so the viruses that are within the bank, And being very sort of immune to things like temperature because the human body is like, what? 3038 Yeah, it's like, loving it. It's, it works really well. And the other thing too, is bats congregate. So bats all fly together. They fuck around. It's like the MCG right? Like the Grand Prix. Not Not, not the ship. And so, yeah, I thought that that was interesting. And so then I ended up so I went from watching the most disgusting. So this is an interesting thing. This is getting controversial. This is getting into Richard Janssen land, is it right? So when people talk about they connect racism with the current virus, right, that's in a phobia. Yeah, xenophobia, all that sort of thing. One of the things that I think is like okay, I was watching these videos of the the wet markets. Yeah, right. I just started watching videos on what the wet markets in China are.

29:06
Do you know what they did a 60 minutes on last Sunday? Crazy like all these those turtles in there raccoons

29:17
bats, cats dogs and they sell them food yeah and so the reason the reason why it's a wet market is because the fucking blood pass all of that stuff is like so what happens is it's like chickens are fucking shitting on just turtles and then turtles are coming on bats like this fucking just it's all out there yeah and so that's the thing it's just like you just have pass blood come just fucking everything everywhere in this wet market

29:51
anything wait that will take it and

29:54
Willie So the thing is that Mike um it all it all came about

30:00
Everyone should like it. The reason I'm bringing this up is so that people can then go and find out their own information. Don't use me as the source. But the thing that I took out of it was, basically China had a food problem. And so when they had the food problem, residents started to have to work out ways of making money. And so they took animals that were typically wild, and wood sounding to farm them. And so that's why they have all these fact up animals that are in these markets. Interestingly, also, they like it's a high, it's an upper class thing to do, like eating these big wild animals is seen as like a status symbol. And so what I find interesting is in regards to all of this and when race becomes a part of it, if this is the practice that is causing, that created this virus, then things like okay, region and where someone's come from. way they've spent their time should play a factor, I would think, yeah, and so hundred percent. And so I think that there is like a little bit of rationality, like I and I, I sort of understand that the Chinatown stuff that happened, I can understand the context of what people are thinking, which is like, you've got chefs, you've got people who are amongst people who have come from this region. And so this isn't about racism or xenophobia. We're at a point of just like, how do we fucking stop? Like,

31:32
you say, How did start there? You see people clearing out of Chinatown, the very early stages, like two weeks ago, the conversation we were filming at a hospital, the conversation was nothing like it would be today at that same hospital and that hospital was like, extremely multicultural. They're having people from all around, and so it shifts in two weeks. And so yeah, I mean, the only time I heard this week of it being sort of race related was when President Trump said Something around, it's it's like they disease. He referred to it being China's prop China's problem or like, that's where it came came from. So it is their problem, but it's just framing that he's trying to separate, you know, put them up as a superior nature.

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But they also I think that it will be interesting. I mean, this is the most at a political and sort of all this stuff that we haven't gotten. But I think there is definitely, like, it really shows where the Trump stuff is lacking in a massive way where it's like, when you're talking about when it's Media Relations, and all that sort of stuff. You can sort of bullshit and do all this sort of stuff. When it's just a virus, you can actually just say it's fake communities. Like it just keeps like it just spreads and so him being like, there was a an article, where he was where I think it was the Argentinian or I think it was somewhere in South America. One of the diplomats ended up having coronavirus Can you have a look at 97 but um there's a few Joe, of President Trump next to the guy three or four days ago. Yeah. And the quote was something along the lines of like I'm not concerned because there was nothing and sort of unusual about our interaction. I might. Does he think you have to fuck to get this thing? shook? He's if you if you shook his hand, yeah, then it's a potential so I usually unofficial Yeah, Brazilian official and what did he say? Can you read the exact quotes from Trump because I thought they were pretty outrageous.

33:28
I mean, paid I asked you earlier off the show, were you news? And you said you don't get it? I mean, this is Josh obviously gets these news. You know, a bunch of these places because I've seen all these and so a lot of the news out of you saying it this is it coming into your filter. Do you know about turtles? routing?

33:45
The turtle was me sort of being hyperbolic, potentially. I don't know if this I just assume that it's all liquids.

33:54
Yeah, I'd say I don't. I try not to digest news, as I'd like general rule. Pay. And I think in times like this, you can't help but hear through other people like friends and conversations like this What's happening? what people are saying. So thanks for ruining my dad. No, but I think in times like this, it's the gut, like you've got to go to the World Health Organisation, you've got to go to the experts that are trying to push information as a way to put themselves in, you know, a status place or push business push media, because it makes them money. They just trying to put out like information, in fact, so I've looked at government websites, and you know, the World Health Organisation website. That's generally when I look at my information.

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Do we think that the government's too slow though? I'm sorry. So if we look at if we look at the media stuff we actually saw hate like, so. We were listening to the radio in the car a couple of days ago, and they were doing these like, ads for the government's working on all these like, precautions, blah, blah, blah. I'm bracing. It's like, man, they're doing a lot out there. I was like, Well, it's been fucking like 50 something days. And this isn't them actually doing all these things this is them communicating this is this is the equivalent of what is it Scotty from marketing or whatever, like putting out a, an ad around this is what's happening. And so, yeah, I think that if we look at when we actually started talking about it, and even within the hospitals and us, like communicating and talking about all of these things, then you see people wearing face masks, and like in a strain culture, we just don't could be the worst air quality or whatever, and we were still not doing it. It feels like paid if you're relying on the government stuff. I don't know. Like, maybe that makes it maybe we only need to know about this stuff now. Like maybe if everyone just did the government stuff. Then things like the economy would be in a better position but then that's like that siloed thing of not coming. Considering that everyone's going to news.com.au and making big business decisions that are people like your clients or your clients clients that you know that they're they're consuming that content to the

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site paid to go to.

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I can't remember off the top my head. It's a little cute Google.

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What was some of the service? Did you find some of the quotes that that Trump?

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Yeah, so he said, we did nothing unusual. He's doing a true terrific job in Brazil. We'll find out what happens. I guess they're being tested. Now. Let's put it this way. I'm not concerned.

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Yeah. say like, Listen. Yeah,

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yeah, it just same thing. He

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accidentally, he said that trade would be affected between Europe and the US, and that they wouldn't be importing and exporting. And then, like half an hour later, he got on Twitter and said none and it's actually it's just like immigration or travel that's being banned and not sure not all the imports and exports, can

36:58
you actually look up saves or dodge Who? What stocks have shot up? Over the last few weeks? Like zoom?

37:05
Yes. Yet through the roof, you know,

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what about

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Tesla? Is that going up in the last couple weeks? I mean, that's not really I mean, well,

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I think that could have been related to the oil stuff and other things. But if you're looking at like the SMP 500 index like that,

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why not? What's going on? Well, we

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were, well, we recorded this. This is Friday, and it was that what did they say? That was the worst day since 1987. or something?

37:31
That's what you said. Yeah.

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Can you look it up? Just so I'm not talking shit. But you can see, you can see the drop. The funny thing about all of this shit just like when the Mh 50 or Mh 350 whatever it was. The fact that we're playing to one another. Thank you. 1987 1987 Wow. Yeah, like, we all become fucking experts in whatever it is, like, all of a sudden, we're experts on infectious disease. I To be honest, like we're just we're just regurgitating The shit that we've

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read or listened to, which contributes to the problem not not to just dismiss the whole podcast, just recording, essentially, where essentially, we are committing to potentially perpetuating the problem. So I think, like I get uncomfortable and anxious in moments like this not on this call back in moments like this on the globe because it divides people and makes more fear, more hate more division, which is just not helpful in any context. The more divisive we get about we should have acted sooner. We shouldn't have acted sooner. We're doing all we can, we're not doing enough. None of that helps. Yeah, it's just like we're going to accept where we are. Look at what the information is based on actual facts and then decide to work together to collaborate together to co create a new version of the future through empathy, generosity, compassion, because fear mongering and hate and division. It's just like, it just gets me annoyed and frustrated because none of it helps it. None of it helps. That sounded a lot like you Jerry Springer would do he's sort of at the end of his show. It'd be like look after HL

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three, three. And then what about if you like I said to myself, how do I like, turn off from that? So if you the opposite is like just turning off and not i'm not going to engage, which is friend of mine who said that? I think it's I think it's almost next to impossible at the moment to disengage, what

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does it mean to listen? What does it mean? Like so taking that approach around that empathy and stuff Pete? Not not engaging in that type of stuff or purpose for deciding to avoid certain bits of how society's feeling? How much do you think that is? The problem? Is it being problematic in regards to not listening to what the world is saying?

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No, I think it's a good call out I think we have to listen, I think but we have to listen in that we have to observe it. Be curious. So it's like observe what's happening. get curious about why that might be happening or why that person might be telling you that story as opposed to this story, but not to just like be so swept away by the stories that people are telling that we forget to observe and be curious. I mean it's a bit like the it's a bit like the show that was on Netflix I'm not gonna call it a documentary The show that was about going vegan and all of a sudden a bunch of people change their behaviour because of one show without like, causing

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without like black but unless

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you some information. Let me pause. Let me be curious, let me observe. And then like, to your point, let me empathise with where they might be coming from what they might be doing, and develop my own opinion on it, rather than just like consume and just get swept away in that.

40:51
They could be saying thank you people. Again, people in the history like it safe it gets so fucking bad and we will Looking at the boy that Cried Wolf, the people that are getting the toilet paper, it's like, at what point do we go there was the fucking wolf. Yeah,

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well, but also like this is that meta modernism stuff that Dr. Jason Fox talks about around like, we can, can't we sort of playing this way of entering into some of this hysteria to serve and to learn and to understand. So say with the example pay is it's like, to be curious, requires you to be able to have your own unique experience. And so if you have all of this information, it feels potentially like the best thing to do is it's like, what happens if I do it like it's hard because it's framed in, in what could be described as propaganda, or a highly sort of filtered look at something, but it feels like we're constantly in different versions of realities and so that is entering it seems so extreme because it is not the everyday reality that we live in. But when we go out and we add cheese to everything, and we do all these sorts of things, we don't necessarily say that as propaganda we say that is just our culture and everyday living sort of feels like potentially. And that's the same thing around the bad stuff, right? Like I look at the when I was looking at the bad stuff, I was like, Fuck, like you seeing them with their mouth mouths open and they're cutting off that you're cutting him up and stuff. I'm like, you know what, I probably have the same response if I was watching a cow, be fucking slaughtered and all that. So I think it's just because like, it's because I ate beef and because I've had this experience, and I feel that way. So I guess part of it is it's like we think co creation. How much of CO creation requires you to actually enter and be like actually act within that space.

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What are some coaching questions?

Have we would have some question like because it's so the people that aren't being observant on how they reacting so that purely in it right? Oh my god this that, but they're not ever going, do you think it's actually that like, is this right to feel this way? Like it is it is productive in any circumstance to observe what you know, be the observer of the observer. And so that's

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the toilet paper thing is it's not like you, I guess you got to make the call. I'm like, you know, what if I had to fuckin if you have to rinse with water, like if you actually make that what like it's very fucking easy. Like there's a lot of places around the world that does that. And so I mean that I feel like is an example of Are you listening to the internal reality around this stuff? Like I find it interesting around like Doomsday stuff they talk about, you know, having water and doing all that sort of thing and I find that interesting. But

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yeah, we got six rounds left. How has your house?

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What's your count? Well, this is the awkward part is I'm now getting to the point where I actually genuinely need some toilet paper, but I'm sweating saying ridiculous. I think I've got four or five left. Just gonna have

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to stop. It's interesting. I feel like I've definitely

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I mean, how many guys can we work that out? How long paid Scott?

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What do you think that lasts a while to apply?

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What is up to

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3.3?

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Yeah, in

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Oregon, three places one pi two pi. three pi,

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is three point minimum,

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safely 2020 to 30 pesos per roll.

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Beside again, you say

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you're around a little too much. I think that's probably too many. Yeah. So

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why don't you I think you'd lost like, I think it's like just a month. I think it's like I cheats or Oh,

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I'm not joking. Yo died. But I think that like brain I would change the role every two days.

45:12
Two days. Yeah, two or three days bullshit today.

45:17
I'm only doing one, so I'm clearly using either Brees just lost it. Or I use more than I think now I have a feeling that it's around maybe 1212 pose.

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Yeah. 12 she said we've got 12

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Is there any sort of guide online infographic? That should be an infographic there should be sort of like we could get we could definitely get Rory on the case with that. Ryan man Rory now. Todd around All right. Well, I think thanks pay, you think you've got to go to your next meeting. It's been good though the zoom call, so you feel bad. For us? It could be the future for a lot of people. It's the future you're living in the future. But it's like it hasn't been The internet connection has been solid. Yeah, it's solid. It is like, you look crisp. There's no no to lie sceptical to us. Yeah, you're like, are you sure you should do this from your house? You don't want to go to the commons? Well,

46:12
I was just worried about you because you don't plug into Ethernet. I'm running Wi Fi, but I've got a podcast with someone in New York. And we this is how we run it. So I think it's worked out. It's worked fine.

46:23
Hey, thanks for coming on the show, buddy. George, anything else? Anything you want to end on George? No, not really. I was talking about dad last night because I was a bit naive about the whole thing. He's starting to freak me out of it. It's more about just what's going to happen in the next two weeks. What is happening? What do you know? We just don't know.

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That's the scary bit. We could be locked down

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into it just for something a little bit less of an issue but something that wasn't issued that paid I feel like you would have an opinion on it. I didn't get to bring it up. Yesterday I went to the my coffee shop. What's it called? Pavlov's dogs. I mean, I'm fine saying because I'm not here anymore. Yeah, it was like Pavlov's dog across the road from my house right? I asked for a large strong almond maka. What do you what would you pay for a large strong almond maka on a weekday?

47:18
You could pay $6 550.

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He said, are $7 and I said, sorry. It's because I'm used to like cuz I've never ordered a large strong. maka, on a weekday. It's on the weekend. And when it's on the weekend, I'm normally like adding a little croissant and braised coffee and it all goes in. So yeah. And so when I found out with $7 I thought, that's a mistake. And so I said, Because normally it's like $6

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and I was like, oh, what's the

47:52
No, I think that's, that's wrong. He got I said, like, what am I paying for? He said off the chocolate and I was just like, if you I said that I said that's ridiculous. And the thing was that Bray had always been trolling me for spending six because across the road at play, I think it's called the office cafe. They already they're cheaper anyway. And so I've started going there but it was, it was a big moment because think about it. I've been going there every morning for nearly a year. And to just to have the guy that goes in every single day for a year, being like, that's ridiculous and walking out

48:32
a pretty bold order to you got a double strength coffee with a lot of almond milk. Yeah, a

48:39
little cheeky bit of chocolate. Yeah,

48:41
well as well go to yets who's a gronk? She, she does like all this stuff around body and movement and all that. So I think and what she was saying is that with caffeine, there's a bunch of research to say that having a little bit of sugar With the caffeine can help from a metabolism point of view. And so I've never added coffee really bought into it.

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I was looking for an excuse for a

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drop of coffee. So when I say metabolism I don't mean like I'm losing weight I mean like caffeine, like the way that we absorb the caffeine. And so because of that, I was like, Oh, look, I'm not ready to add sugar like that's outrageous. But adding a little bit chocolate is probably the sugar in there so that was

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that gonna happen on our walks. Now you're gonna get that

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when we will and we'll get a thick shake.

49:35
I think it's cheaper to get a thick skin I definitely habit pizza has been great. We actually just switched from and flat whites to he's happy to go with the latte. So when we go for our walks, so we can have the same you know what?

49:50
I'm so glad I know that now.

49:52
Just really good. Just before we wrap up, we got an email from a in gronk. So I just wanted to say, Greg, work on the apps with Nikki and tom harkin these conversations were fantastic. Please tell told gronk that he did an awesome job at the you project conference.

50:09
There. Yeah, it's not

50:10
like saying, like I tell gronk what a legend. It's lovely. I

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think I saw him there wearing his hoodie. I sent you guys a photo. Yeah,

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I didn't get it. I was like, Yeah, that's it. And I just

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sort of send this from the other side of the room. I spotted someone wearing Yeah, we talked about.

50:25
Yeah, they infiltrate, infiltrate everyone's conferences,

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the daily talk show.com forward slash Bronx. We're not giving out stickers. But interestingly, like not getting stickers is probably a good thing because Mason licks the stamps. When he sends them out with everything wrong with everything that's been happening. That's not ideal. licking stamps.

50:47
Not my problem.

50:51
All right. Say tomorrow, guys. Bye.

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See you guys.