The Star Among Us

Tommy: The Daily Talk Show.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 537.

Tommy: What's happening, guys? What's going on?

Josh: It's, uh, Thursday. I'm feeling a bit tired because last night I ended up in a rabbit hole that involved Harry on the telly.

Tommy: Yes, I, um, I checked my phone before Betty Buys at about 10 after I'd meditated, which is a dumb thing to do because you're in a nice place. And then I checked it, and I'm glad I did because I saw young Harold Far out.

Josh: Is that your full name?

Harry: No, just Harry.

Josh: Just Harry.

Tommy: Mate, Harry. Work experience Harry. Mate, we have a star amongst us.

Josh: Yeah, because we didn't realise. So when you'd been saying about the telly and that you'd been on the telly and all this sort of thing, I thought, okay, he's been an extra in a TV show or something like that. But then the link that you sent me to iView, you were a whole title of a— like there was a series called Teenage Boss. And there's a whole episode just called Harry.

Tommy: Can you confirm that?

Harry: Confirmed.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Well, I thought it was either Michael Bungay Stanier had coached him so well that he'd gone out and put himself out there within the couple of days of it happening. And now he's on a TV show or it's old footage.

Mason: So you were—

Harry: That all happened as an accident, that whole show, really. So I came across it on TV Tonight that the ABC was doing these random, um, it was—

Josh: What's TV Tonight?

Harry: It's a, um, television blog. Okay. And they've got all the latest gossip.

Mason: Is that the one with the purple logo? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Another reason he's an old soul.

Josh: Yeah, just reading. Reading blogs, that's like Radio Today. Do you watch radio? Do you read radio? You don't care about radio?

Tommy: No, because he's an old soul. TV.

Josh: Yeah.

Harry: So, so I read it and it was just, um, I can't remember what it was called. Oh, New Teen TV Show. So I signed up to it because it didn't have a name or anything. No, I just thought it would be like a, like a student project or something because it sounds— it was written as if it was like a university student project. So I signed up for it and then next thing you know, it's on the ABC and they were sending crew around.

Tommy: Did you, I mean, how many people were filming? How many people were there? Because it was quite high production.

Harry: There was a crew of 6.

Tommy: And so what does Mum and Dad say? Like, how do you sell it into Mum and Dad?

Harry: Well, I actually filled out the application with my school librarian.

Josh: Mm-hmm. And good friends with the librarian.

Harry: Yeah.

Josh: What's your thoughts on the friendships of— with teachers? We were speaking to Leah about it.

Harry: Well, I think in rural areas it has to happen because like I know all my teachers— well, majority of my teachers socially out of school as well.

Josh: So what do they do? Like, what do you mean socially?

Harry: Like through theatre or through the football club or all that stuff.

Tommy: Yeah, it's real community vibes.

Josh: And so anyway, so you're a librarian and you filled out this—

Harry: Yeah. And then I went, oh, and Mum, today I filled out an application for a show. She's like, oh, okay. A few weeks later we got a call from McAvoy Media in Sydney saying, you've been successful in your application, da da da da da, can we send a crew down?

Josh: Yeah, great.

Harry: Next thing we know we're—

Tommy: And did you know what it was actually going to be about?

Harry: Like, I had a rough idea, but I wasn't too I had a rough idea, but I wasn't too sure about the whole— how it was all going to happen.

Tommy: Did you get Final Cut?

Josh: No. So what was the deal? Yeah, so what did you know? And then explain the actual concept.

Harry: So I had to take over the family budget for a month and run all our expenses for the month.

Josh: And how did it go?

Harry: Shit. Did you get a bit silly?

Tommy: No, no, no.

Harry: It's just arguments every day about where the money's going.

Josh: Where are you putting it? 97 asked. The money?

Tommy: The money?

Mason: Like, where are you spending it in the budget? Oh, why were there arguments?

Harry: It went towards my new camera, and I was like cutting down on the amount of groceries we could buy, and the fridge was getting empty.

Tommy: And so you could get the camera? Yeah.

Josh: So did you get to keep the camera?

Harry: No, I haven't bought it yet. I've still got the money in my bank.

Josh: Oh, that's good. So how much cash did they give you in a budget?

Harry: Um, they had a financial advisor and she went through all our monthly bills like 6 months before it happened, like the bills 6 months prior. And so she went through all them and worked out that we spend $3,000 and something dollars. So then they took—

Josh: is that a month?

Harry: A month, yes. So then they gave us $3,000 that I could use.

Josh: Okay, great.

Tommy: That's great. And so was it— are you getting paid for the show or that's the sort of at the end you get that money?

Harry: Just the end and you get that money.

Tommy: Was that assured before you start?

Harry: Yeah.

Tommy: So should have fudged the numbers, should have done 10 grand a month. Yeah.

Harry: To save the money, which you get to keep.

Tommy: This kid crafty as fuck. Like, I mean, you've ended up here. I said on the, you know, Harry shooting for the stars.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. Landed here at the Daily Talk Show. So what was the— how long was the period that they were filming you?

Harry: A month.

Josh: A month.

Tommy: So there was no mail.

Harry: So they sent a crew down from Sydney every weekend. To spend the weekend with us and follow us around.

Josh: Oh, great. What did you, what did your parents think? Was there arguments around like, this is all too much, but as in like from even not the financial stress bit, but just the fucking Harry, what have you done? Why are there all these people?

Harry: Dad didn't want to do it.

Josh: Yeah.

Harry: He was like, I'm not being in it.

Tommy: He ended up, he was grass or a little kid.

Harry: And he loved it. He was on the motorbike with the crew and then the producer's like, come on, we got to get going. We got to get going. Dad's going, yeah, it's a two-stroke engine.

Josh: And so what did you take away from that whole experience?

Harry: I think, I'm not too sure. I got a lot from it. Um, lots of it was like, they organise a lot and tell, like, so the, the same filming the, um, the fishing, fishing, local fishing competition, the producer calls up about 3 days earlier and she goes, Harry, do you know about the fishing competition in your local town? And I go, yeah. And she goes, well, I've I've spoken to the committee and we've arranged for you to be filming it.

Josh: Oh, great.

Harry: So then I had to go out and shoot this thing.

Josh: Oh, that's fun.

Tommy: I mean, there's a lot of magic in television.

Harry: There is.

Tommy: And when you're amongst it, it doesn't feel that magical because you're seeing all of it. But I think that's the beauty of it. Yeah, it's the smoke and mirrors.

Josh: And so you were talking yesterday about the Cat Cafe because you're producing this for us, Fat Fridays. That didn't work out. What were the secondary or third options?

Harry: Well, Leah gave us a gingerbread house.

Josh: She did.

Tommy: Yeah. So DIY kit.

Harry: Yeah. So we could do that tomorrow.

Tommy: When Amy and I first got together and, you know, you're really trying to wow them early days. Yeah.

Harry: Got you, Amy.

Tommy: Can't get away, baby.

Josh: She could, though.

Tommy: She could. It's very messy, though.

Josh: We've got debt, we've got kid.

Mason: We've got kid.

Josh: We've got kid. Just one to the other kid.

Tommy: The car's in my name.

Josh: Is it?

Tommy: A lot of the debt's in my name. Fuck!

Josh: I thought you were gonna say the car is in your name, so that's not—

Tommy: No, the car's debt is in my name. No, we're not going anywhere, but maybe this is why we're so strong now. We got that. Mill was always like, oh, we should make stuff. And we did the kit of making a gingerbread house.

Josh: Well, she does Crafternoons.

Tommy: Loves it. Fucking loves it. She's so good at it.

Harry: And so—

Josh: Do you get into the crafternoons together?

Tommy: No, sometimes I do my thing, but it's not— I don't— she just loves the painting and, you know, it's being creative. And had a mate over recently, did a craft afternoon. You know what I benefited from that was lollies.

Josh: Chocolate.

Tommy: I said, does anyone want tea and chocolate? And we had chocolate and it was a great excuse to open the chocolate, to get stuck into it.

Josh: Josh, I don't need an excuse. I don't need an excuse. It's because it's 3 o'clock and baby needs a lift up.

Tommy: I ate 80% of the chocolate that day. So a craft-a-noon is, um, yeah, it's good. It's great.

Josh: Great.

Tommy: Anyway, so that was lovely. It's a great bonding exercise around Christmas time. I tell you what, guys, fuck, there's either a business in it or there's not. One of the two. Um, so what's the date today? The 5th? The 4th?

Josh: It's the 5th.

Tommy: It's the 5th. Uh, Bunnings, Kmart, Target, all the big fucking brands run out of Christmas tree holders. So the bottom of the base.

Josh: Where'd you hear that?

Mason: Oh, really?

Tommy: No, we went yesterday. We went to Bunnings because we got a tree last night and—

Harry: Real one or fake?

Tommy: Real.

Harry: Where's it from?

Tommy: The first time got delivered.

Josh: Oh yeah. And they don't upsell you on that? I bet you they offered you and then you were like, nah, we'll find it cheaper.

Tommy: I had nothing to do with it. We did find it cheaper, but in hindsight it's $60 for them to give it to you. You can buy them from Bunnings for like 20-something bucks.

Josh: Sure.

Tommy: But you can't do it. You can't leave it this late because they're all— and then the Bunnings person found two places in Victoria. One was in Albury, actually. The other was fucking in Tarell, so far away for this thing. And then she checked the other places, came out and stuff with Amy. She was so lovely and nowhere. And so then we jumped on Gumtree and found a place, Facebook Marketplace. Found a guy flogging one for $39. I don't know why he went $39.

Josh: Under $40.

Tommy: Well, he got $40 because we're not—

Mason: and you're saying there was $60 at Bunnings or something?

Tommy: $60 to get it delivered with the tree. And then we end— so the point being is this is why you end up like, if you're being super tight on shit, I won't pay the premium, it's like by the time you end up driving to Ringwood at 8 PM Well, this is Cam Shand.

Josh: Cam Shand was talking about this. So when we had Scooter Derek on, Scooter Derek was talking about, uh, Harvey Norman, and he's up to— I don't know if you saw the Insta storey yesterday. He's done a whole video slamming Harvey Norman.

Harry: See, if I was him, I'll be more shitty with Logitech. Like, wouldn't you be more shitty with Logitech?

Tommy: Oh, some speaker problem. You've bought a speaker through Harvey Norman online. Webcam.

Josh: So he bought a webcam, PTZ camera. Yep.. And he basically, it wasn't working. He spoke to Logitech. Logitech were really helpful. They're like, yes, it's faulty. We'll send you out a new one. Just fill out this form. Fills out the form. They're like, oh, you're in Australia. Didn't know that. Can't help you. Going to have to go to where you bought it from. He went to, he'd bought it from Harvey Norman online. He's like, to make it easy, I'm going to just take it into Harvey Norman. Takes it in. They say, Sorry, it was online. We can't do anything with it. You push back and all sorts of things that— not sorry, nothing we can do. He goes home, goes online, says, hey, I want to return this thing. Yeah, wait a moment. And then they said, you're gonna have to take it in store.

Tommy: So they're just playing tennis. They're just back, forth, back, forth.

Josh: And so he mentioned my favourite thing, which is the ombudsman.

Tommy: The ombudsman, is that a— like, it's What's that old term? Is that— was it like a guy, the ombudsman? Like, is it a— what's the— what's the definition?

Mason: Did it used to be a person?

Tommy: What's the definition of an ombudsman? Like, maybe we'll find out. Like, it was like back in 1700, there was a Gronkh who loved to—

Josh: but anyway, so, but there was that. But Cam Shand was telling us he, he went into a— I think it was a Harvey Norman as well, and he wanted to do a price match. And he said, oh, this store has it for X amount cheaper. Will you price match? And the guy from Harvey Norman was like, oh, look, it's going to cost you $50 in petrol to get there and back home. So surely we've got to account for that, which I thought was a little like, so outrageous.

Tommy: Is it their policy for the price match?

Josh: Like, Officeworks aren't going to say that to you because they have a price match.

Mason: Officeworks price match policy is like the best.

Tommy: Yeah. And then JB Hi-Fi is great.

Josh: What do you guys think?

Mason: JB Hi-Fi is okay. They have like a limit that they won't go below, whereas Officeworks will match anything.

Harry: Is that like the JB deal thing?

Tommy: No, you can just price match anything. Hard drives and shit, just literally search when you're in there. Just be in the aisle just searching local, you know, and then you just take it up and they're like, sweet, we'll do that one.

Harry: What I do is walk into JB Hi-Fi and say, can you do a better deal, a JB deal? And they just knock a few dollars off.

Josh: A JB deal?

Harry: A JB deal.

Josh: Have you picked out your product at that point or you've just literally walked in? So like I've got a, um, Western Digital Western Digital Passport for like $15 off.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I got $30 off Western Digital stuff. It was ridiculous. Remember I was messaging Mason?

Mason: How much did you get off, Josh?

Josh: Off what?

Tommy: No, he's too— he wouldn't ask, it's too embarrassing.

Josh: No, I did actually. So the Apple TV that I bought a couple of weeks ago, at the counter, I would like— the last thing I was like, ah, can you do any better?

Tommy: It's great.

Josh: Yeah, he took like $15 off.

Tommy: Most people don't, don't ask, and so you don't get so primed for it. Of course, now it's like, fucking, we're all just bullshitting at the price of the thing. Mr. 97, what's an ombudsman?

Mason: Uh, hang on, give me a sec. Uh, an official appointed to investigate complaints by individuals against institutions or authorities.

Tommy: Okay, so there's shitloads of ombudsmen.

Josh: Well, I guess it's the ACCC.

Mason: Back in the day there would have been, and now they've just made it into a whole like collective.

Josh: Is it ACCC? Is that right?

Mason: I think so, but I don't know, actually, I don't know if Because you can have, you can have, uh, you can have them for like, um, work.

Josh: Um, but yeah, sure, in different industries and stuff.

Mason: Yeah, so you probably have like different ones. But yeah, maybe for consumers, consume a lot more stuff.

Josh: Well, for the international viewers or listeners, there is— you see the spit that I just did? Just went flying. Um, the Australian law is very good for the consumer. So if you go to Apple, so for instance, our mate Tall Gronkh, Pete Shepherd, his AirPods haven't been working properly. His microphone. What are you laughing at?

Harry: No, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Continue.

Josh: Just distract. It's slightly distracting. That's okay. So, anyway, Pete went to the Apple Store and they said, ah, so it's been over a year, but within consumer law, it's still valid under warranty.. And so we'll just replace them. Wasn't a problem.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, you got to, you got to be in the know, don't you?

Josh: Well, they actually need to buy, like, rights, let you know, like, so they have pamphlets and stuff. Like if you go to an Apple store, they'll have all of those things dialled in.

Tommy: Did Cam Shan tell that guy to go for myself?

Josh: Yeah, I think he should. He definitely should have.

Tommy: And got the discount. Did he get the discount in the end?

Josh: I don't know. We'll have to ask.

Tommy: Yeah. I mean, it's also the the, the thought that the people working at these businesses—

Josh: why do they care?

Tommy: Yeah, I mean, where, where it hap— what happens, like the Apple stuff, is it's just, I'm in this lane, I don't know much about any other lane but mine, so I can't help you. So it's like less information. They don't have to lie. Yeah, you don't want your staff lying. You just want them actually unaware of how it even works outside of what I know. So if anyone asks Mr. 97 anything, doesn't know anything else other than what he knows.

Josh: Well, yeah, especially even like when you go to the ones where they've got— they're wearing like the Microsoft polos on or the Samsung polos, and it feels a bit weird going up and saying, hey, do you— can you help us with the iPhone? It's a bit like the, um, I guess the Myer or David Jones model is a little bit like that, aren't they? They have like their Estée Lauder or whatever.

Tommy: It's all sort of— they don't even work, they're working for the Estée Lauder within the business. Have you worked any jobs, Harry?

Harry: No.

Tommy: So you haven't, haven't got a, uh, Maccas job or—

Harry: No. A lot of regional towns, that's where filming, like filming football games and stuff, that's my only other job.

Tommy: Just a little serial entrepreneur, just getting out there. That's what I appreciate about you.

Harry: Well, Dad wanted me to get a job at Better Electrical, but I couldn't think of anything worse.

Josh: What's wrong with Better Electrical?

Harry: You just sell fridges.

Josh: Oh, so it's just fridges?

Harry: Yeah.

Mason: Better or worse than Harvey Norman? Pardon? Better or worse than Harvey Norman?

Harry: Worse than Harvey Norman, because Harvey Norman's got furniture and it smells nice.

Josh: Doesn't it?

Harry: Harvey Norman always smells nice.

Josh: I've never considered— have you ever gone for a job?

Harry: No.

Josh: Okay. Done a CV?

Harry: Yeah.

Josh: You gave us a CV, didn't you?

Harry: I think so.

Tommy: Okay. Um, what kind of an interviewee are you?

Harry: What do you mean by that?

Tommy: What do you bring? You know, you had an interview earlier this week at Uh, what, what RMIT? You can say, yeah, I just couldn't remember. RMIT, what's the, what's the vibe? What are you bringing? What are you thinking? Like, I think a lot of energy. Yeah, what Harry do we see?

Harry: I go all out, like, I feel like confident, like not too confident, but you're like, like, yeah, yeah, just wowing the room. Yeah, well, the, the people at RMIT were very relaxed and, and I think that made it easier.

Tommy: Do you ask questions?

Harry: Yeah, I tried to. I even asked a question that I knew the answer to because I wanted it to seem like I was— that I cared.

Tommy: Do you know what it was?

Harry: Um, it was the date that we started. And then they gave me— I realised on the frequently asked questions sheet that they gave me before I entered, it was on there.

Josh: I think that's fine.

Harry: Yeah.

Josh: What did— nice service. Did you have any jobs growing up or no?

Harry: No.

Josh: Nothing.

Mason: No, nothing.

Josh: Wow. You guys missed it. Like, I did McDonald's only for 3 months, but the whole experience of just— there's something very weird entering like a Maccas and like you're dealing with like a top dog there, you know, the manager or whatever. And they're really like, it's sort of a strange environment.

Tommy: It's great having varied jobs because you realise that the high-powered job, the shit that's going down is exactly the same that's happening at Cotton On Baby.

Josh: Where everyone— What did you say then?

Tommy: I just like the opposite. So if you're going like high-end corporate financial sector versus retail baby clothes, it's like the pain points and, you know, this person's not showing enough commitment to the store and rearranging, you know, like this person's not committing to this person's million-dollar fund. It's like same problem. You could think one's a bit higher than the other, but no, the same fucking shit.

Josh: People being slow. I was slow. People being passive.

Tommy: People not talking to each other. It's fucking—

Josh: No difference.

Tommy: We're all just big babies.

Josh: What have you— what have you learned? Like yesterday, uh, we asked you sort of to, um, give us your learning, and you sort of picked the last thing. Not picking that as your learning, what have you learned in the last, last week?

Harry: Be confident. Yeah, trust what you're doing is right.

Josh: Where'd you learn that from? Where did you learn that from?

Harry: Michael Bent Stanya.

Josh: Got confident.

Harry: Yeah, yeah. Michael Bungay Stanya.

Josh: Yeah, that's good. Michael Bungay Stanya. Very close. So that's good. Anything else?

Harry: There's a bit.

Josh: What do you think people wouldn't know? Like, you're getting a behind-the-scenes look.

Harry: Yeah.

Josh: What are we like day to day?

Harry: Well, what I was surprised about, Gemma doesn't wear a crown 24/7.

Josh: That's a big surprise. We should try and get Gemma in to meet before you go away. What else? Anything within the office? Like, how do you describe the— if you were to paint a picture for people, what's it like?

Harry: Lots of yelling.

Tommy: Is that true? You just— 97!

Josh: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tommy: Oh yeah, I mean, we're across multiple levels, so there has to be some of that.

Josh: Yes, we probably could use Slack more. I was thinking that today.

Tommy: Or an intercom. Like going old school. No, I think, yes, like, you're right. You got to be in it.

Josh: He's using it.

Tommy: Everyone's going to be in it, just using it. Yeah. Anything else, Harry? Third and final thought for—

Harry: That logo sign isn't straight.

Josh: Really?

Harry: Yeah. Worked out that the other day. Have you?

Josh: How do you know that?

Tommy: Have you checked?

Harry: Well, I was looking at the camera.

Josh: No, no, no, no.

Harry: The camera's level, but the sign isn't level in the viewfinder.

Josh: I think it's just because of the way the, the wood is. I think the darker and lighter wood is actually playing a bit of a— was that your phone? No.

Harry: Okay, lucky.

Josh: Yeah. Okay, good. No, you're always thinking about that. So you've been teaching Mr. 97 a bunch of things. Have I? Yeah.

Mason: Oh, what, what, the tape on the ground?

Harry: What's that called? Spike?

Mason: Bump in, bump out?

Josh: Yeah.

Harry: Bump in, bump out?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, these are all just old school traditional terms for—

Josh: which still get used.

Tommy: Still get used. But that would have gone over Mr. 97's head because he, he doesn't need to use this shit. Mate, have you packed up? Nah, pack up. Okay, just packing up.

Josh: So we've talked about perfect days a fair bit. We've also mentioned what our perfect day is. You're going to have some big changes next year, potentially moving to Melbourne. What do you think your perfect day is?

Harry: Waking up early.

Josh: What time?

Harry: Oh well, when I stay in town, I wake up— it's, it's weird because when I stay out at the farm, I sleep in. Yeah, when I stay in town, I wake up early. So when I stay in town, I wake up at 6:30, and I like getting up at 6:30 and then, and then going for a walk. But I don't do that lately because I've got shitty shoes.

Josh: What sort of shoes you got?

Harry: These ones.

Tommy: He's going for the look.

Harry: They're, um, they're good. They look good. Yeah, they're all right. They're not very comfortable though.

Josh: Okay, that's okay. So yeah, you walk, but not that much.

Harry: Not that much.

Josh: What else? So this is your perfect day?

Harry: Perfect day. Do emails. When I used to go to school, I used to get at school, cheque my emails, then go to class.

Josh: Is that— that's sort of a funny idea, isn't it?

Harry: Like, I used to get— like, class started at 10 to 9, so I'll get there at 8:30. Yeah, that 20 minutes, do emails.

Tommy: What are you doing? What emails?

Josh: Yeah, what emails?

Harry: Lots of stuff going on.

Tommy: I don't—

Mason: I don't have an email address.

Harry: Emails.

Mason: Throughout school.

Tommy: When did you send your first email, Seb? What year do you think? Like, what, what grade?

Mason: It would— no, it would have been like, um, it wouldn't have been in school. It would have been signing up for like Minecraft or something like that. You can make a Gmail account and sign up.

Tommy: So fairly early. I mean, people are getting on.

Josh: What year do you reckon it was that you got one? Oh, um, sent your first email?

Tommy: HipHop_123, I think, at hotmail.com.

Josh: What was the first email you sent?

Tommy: I can't remember that kind of stuff. Like I, um, but it was definitely to sign up for MSN and all that shit.

Josh: MySpace, 1998. What?

Tommy: Yeah. So how old would you have been?

Josh: Oh, it was— I was 8 years old.

Tommy: Uh, no, it's fairly early.

Josh: Yeah, but it was, um, my teacher Mr. Danson had left, but he'd given the email address or whatever. I remember sending him an email and it would have been like 2 years after prep. Which was 1996. So, yeah, it would have been 1998. But I don't think I had my own Hotmail. That, I don't even know if it was. Find out when Hotmail came. I reckon Hotmail would have been around '98.

Tommy: It got bought by Microsoft.

Harry: Yeah.

Josh: I think that was potentially a little bit later.

Tommy: Do you think old email addresses will come back in?

Josh: Like the AOLs and stuff?

Tommy: Yeah. Or even the Hotmail ones.

Josh: I was thinking about, I was emailing someone today and they have a Yahoo. I was like, what's that life like?

Tommy: Well, I said on the phone to a woman that we're doing some filming with, I said, oh, so it's just your, your iCloud email, is that right? Because I was just confirming.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: And she's like, oh yeah, people say, um, do you use iCloud email? I've never heard of that. Like, it— because at one point people were using amy@icloud.com.

Harry: @macbook.

Josh: Yeah, that was too. Geez, I've really done—

Harry: I think that was my first email @macbook. Really?

Tommy: I mean, so many people are now just getting their name. Tommy, it's Tommy Jackers.

Josh: But I know a lot. I feel like within the entertainment industry, a lot of people have the @mac or @me or @icloud.

Tommy: I like knowing sort of now what famous people's emails are like. What are they doing? Are they burying the lead like Gary Vaynerchuk? Gave his email address out at that conference. It's a different style, right?

Josh: It's a different— it's almost like he's treating it like an address. Everyone knows where his office is. Everyone could send him mail. And so you just do it like that. And then it just be— you just be like, Harry, I can spend 20 minutes before school going through doing—

Tommy: you know, I've had moments in my life, Harry, where I've sent an email that's changed a lot for me. In terms of the connection or, you know, opportunity that's come from it? Is there any that you've sent cold emails that have actually shifted what you've been up to, what you're thinking?

Harry: Yeah. Who? Um, Peter Hitchner was a big one.

Tommy: So cold email, just how'd you get his address?

Harry: Uh, he gave it to me via Facebook.

Tommy: Right, can you get that off him, Mr. 90 Serves, and actually email him?

Harry: Um, who else? Um, with the Teenage Boss filming, I got The Block. That, that changed my life big time, just seeing the production of a TV show, and it sort of confirmed what I wanted to do with my life.

Josh: Do they have a floor manager on something like that? They wouldn't, would they? Because it's all like floor managers, studio.

Harry: Yeah.

Tommy: Do you think so? Natural networking. I think people, some people are more of the natural networker, looking to see how they can connect up you know, they're seeing ahead the plays, and some people just don't go near it because they're like, I don't want to annoy the people.

Harry: Yeah, so my bedroom's like those crime movies where you've got a picture and the string.

Josh: Do you really? No. Oh, I could believe it. When did Hotmail start? Did you work it out?

Mason: Uh, 1996.

Josh: Okay, shit. Yeah, so it's been around for a very long time.

Tommy: Uh, so tomorrow night, Friday night, we're going out.

Josh: We go to NGV. What is it called? What's the event called?

Tommy: Uh, National Gallery of Victoria. I'm not sure.

Josh: I'll try and get the answer. So, NGV, National Gallery of Victoria, but there's an event that's on, uh, that we're attending, and we will know the name of it, definitely.

Tommy: But it's not the point. I mean, you always throw out the things we don't know for us to answer on the show. You always do it. Uh, the one thing that I know for sure is that you don't necessarily have the attire to attend one of the most prestigious art galleries in Australia.

Josh: I was talking to Bri about this last night.

Harry: Yeah.

Josh: What do I—

Tommy: We were on a conference call yesterday.

Josh: Did they say dress up or something?

Tommy: Well, I think they were just hinting.

Josh: It's like, don't wear your hoodie.

Tommy: It's an art gallery, guys.

Josh: Yeah, sure.

Tommy: What are you going to do? Are you going to show up?

Josh: So I've got like my white linen shirt.

Tommy: I got a shirt grab.

Mason: I've never seen you in a white linen shirt. Yeah, I don't think I've seen you in a shirt.

Josh: I used to wear shirts a lot. No, but the white chequered shirt, the white linen one was for the white party that I went to that time where I bought the white shoes. So I'm thinking potentially, because Bree was like, you probably— the shoes make a big difference. And so I don't know if I can wear my ASICS. And so I'm going to have to wear my white shoes. And so just accept the fact that I'll be fucking have a sore back the next day. Um, chinos. Oh yeah. And then, uh, the white linen shirt.

Tommy: That'll look good.

Josh: What are you gonna wear?

Tommy: Uh, yeah, I'll just wear some kind of shirt and chinos. And I've got these shoes, you know, when you got those trusty pair of shoes that you've had for a very long time. Like, like, actually we bought them for my brother's wedding when that was the year that I met Amy. So I, I pull them out, Jules Lund pulls them out. It was all the bridal party. He was wearing the shoes.

Josh: And so actually, do you know what I could wear? Fuck it. No, I don't need to wear the shirt. No, that's the thing. I'll just wear my onesie. No, no onesie. I'll wear my long sleeve black shirt. Just like not, not a collared shirt, but just the sort of Steve Jobs-esque.

Tommy: Yeah, need that.

Mason: And jeans. And runners?

Josh: No, I was gonna say chinos.

Tommy: Chinos. Yeah, yeah.

Josh: I don't know if I can wear runners.

Tommy: No, you can't wear runners. You can't wear Asics into the Gallery.

Josh: Yeah, you can fucking—

Tommy: I'm sure, like, definitely Jerry Seinfeld.

Mason: The NGV is pretty good.

Josh: Also think about, like, travelling or whatever. You're wearing, like, comfy clothes, going to museums and art galleries and all that sort of thing. Oh, why did I overcomplicate? That's a way better idea. I think I'll feel more comfortable. The white linen shirt's slightly see-through.

Tommy: Is it?

Josh: So I don't like that. No, well, you sort of see the definition because you're wearing your areolas pants. Exactly. Now you see Do you know what areolas are, Harry?

Harry: No.

Josh: It's the nipple.

Harry: I would show you, but the area, it's probably a bit— Yeah.

Tommy: Okay, I'm just Googling.

Josh: But anyway, the— What's that face? No, just disappointed. No, but you can sort of see the definition of where my pants stop and my shirt begins. It's just not a good look.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: So anyway, that's a consideration. Do we have any email subs?

Mason: Yeah, we got an email from Troy.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Um, so great following your trip around the US. Thanks so much for the stickers. Hope you enjoy the pictures. I'm proudly displaying them across the farm. They're on the ATV with a, you know, quad trike.

Josh: Yeah.

Mason: Um, and then the tractor as well, which was sick. Um, I would post them on social, but I've been taking a break. I won't delve into why, but I will say this: all the conversations about mental health have been great and helpful. Let's just say the last 6 months have been a big one of growth and self-development for me. Even though I'm not meant to sing the praises of therapy, I must say it has helped me a lot. I believe everyone should give therapy a go, but not everyone vibes with it. Cutting out alcohol, coffee, and fast food for 4 months now has been a bit of a wake-up to my system, allowing my brain to be exposed to the good, the bad, and the ugly, but being able to work through it with kindness and care. 2 things I didn't do well before. I've never had a problem per se, but the habits were not serving all the time. I will start again once I can do it in a mindful headspace. Thanks again for the great conversations, and thanks for reading my long essay. Random side question, Mr. 97, smoothie chat, do you rate your new machine over the NutriBullet? Mine is starting to die, and I like my Bullet, but I wouldn't mind a different one.

Harry: Troy.

Josh: Thanks, Troy.

Tommy: Yeah, I appreciate that, Troy.

Josh: The answer to that—

Harry: the—

Josh: do you write?

Mason: Yeah, yeah, I read it. Yeah, it's good. I, I would, I would get rid of a NutriBullet and go for the Optimum 9200A.

Josh: Yeah, it's good. I hope you're getting 400 and something bucks. That's good. I think that also the thing Troy brings up, which is like, I think that there is— it feels like at the moment, especially this time of year, December— like, I saw Zoe Foster-Blake did a post. It's December 10, I think it is, or December 11. One of those dates is the date where most people break up in relationships.

Tommy: Break up? Wow. Because she's leading into the new year. Yeah, maybe I'll just—

Josh: yeah, a bit of a fresh start.

Tommy: Single for the summer.

Josh: And so, yeah, no, and it's also the tensions, right? You think about, like, for— although Christmas can be great fun nights. I think it can also be extremely stressful as well.

Tommy: On a darker note, there's a suicide rate around Christmas time. It's hard because it's the time that you can feel disconnected when people are connecting. Yeah. And so it's, yeah, it's a tough time and we're all going through it. I mean, that's a big commitment, cutting out junk food, alcohol, bunch of stuff. That's solid effort.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah.

Tommy: Fuck, I feel inadequate.

Josh: I need to do something like that.

Tommy: Yeah, I was kind of a few things. I think what he said though is so perfect because he's I'll start introducing or like recalibrate. It's a recalibration. Yeah, can be.

Josh: Any more clarity on 2020 resolutions, all that sort of stuff? Just checking in.

Tommy: Ah, no, I mean, I've still got a little time to work that, work that out. Starting to have any alcohol at all? Closest thing was a rum ball the other night.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: I mean, that was because when you were out, it was smelly. It was so smelly, like the— it's so potent of rum in it.

Josh: Did you do an Instagram post recently at the wedding? Was— did the wedding make an Insta— did you do an Instagram post?

Tommy: Just a vamey.

Josh: Because I think that— I thought that you must have, uh, decided to have a drink.

Tommy: Oh, well, because I can't hit the dance floor without alcohol.

Josh: No, no, because, um, you said wife, wife giving the D-floor a good— oh, did you mean to say wife, wife, or did you just accidentally double up? Wife Wife giving the D floor a good crack.

Tommy: I mean, I'll say I did it on purpose.

Josh: Wife Wife.

Tommy: Wife Wife. Yeah, but I just felt like it was— Wife Wife.

Josh: Wife Wife. But I felt like it was an accident. It seems like something someone who was drinking would do, don't you think? Wife Wife.

Tommy: Or it's a cool new hip thing.

Josh: Yeah, just the Wife Wife. Anyway, it's a daily talk show. Tomorrow, Harry, you've got to sort out what we're doing for Fat Fridays.

Tommy: Yeah, Harry, this is a big one. This is your first Fat Friday with the boys.

Harry: I think I'm just going to make that house.

Josh: That's—

Mason: so I thought we were saving that.

Harry: Oh, are we? Okay, well, I won't. What do you want? I found Vegemite— well, were they dumplings? But I thought, nah.

Josh: I think the house could be okay. What are you— are you worried because you're doing a whole 12 Days of Christmas thing? 97. Are you worried that it's going to take one of the days? You're going to have to come up with something else?

Mason: No, no, no, no. I wasn't even planning on using it for the 12 Days of Christmas.

Josh: But you wanted it. It's great.

Tommy: There's a fair bit of work in it, though. Like it's—

Josh: Yeah. And so what are you going to have to get other— You're going to need the company card to get other bits and pieces?

Harry: No, I was just going to get some PVA glue or something to stick it together.

Tommy: No, no. It uses the sugar glue. It's like a sugar mix. Yeah.

Josh: You want to eat the whole thing. So we need to— We want to get— And you need to decorate it. Yes.

Harry: Yeah, I can do that.

Josh: And there needs to be chocolate inside.

Tommy: Yes. I don't know about chocolate inside.

Josh: Chocolate inside. Well, what's inside? You break it and if the house is empty—

Harry: Hansel and Gretel.

Tommy: It's not— I don't think they're meant for just smashing.

Josh: Is that not the idea? You can't just smash it.

Harry: No, like the point, like smash.

Tommy: Fuck, the thing is that you end up making them, they're just like, they look good. So when do you eat it? Like Christmas Day?

Josh: It's like, we're eating it, we smash it. Okay, it's a Daily Talk Show. Hi@thedailytalkshow.com is the email address if you want to send us an email. Otherwise, see you tomorrow, guys.

Tommy: See you guys.