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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 512 brought to you on a street corner in Venice, California with Matt and Matt. Matt.

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How are

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you guys?

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Feeling video? Because I went, we just got ice creams from the really hip place that you wait in line for a long time. The girl who's serving she was not that friendly.

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You know, she was she was fiery, though. Like she was quick. I don't Did you see her like simultaneously cleaning and scooping at the same time? She took out order and she said, because now you said you can have as many flavors you can taste test the ice cream. Yes. And she said, What do you want? And you guys yelled out three. I said one. Well, Matt asked for a double. He said I'll get her samples.

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I always wanted to be sure she got my sample, which is.

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Anyway, it's all good. It's all good. We just went to a video

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Going forward restaurant vegan forward. Yes. What is this vegan forward? Look, there's vegan friendly. I like to say sometimes vegans need a little bit more than friendly enough to know if we know they have a hard time.

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You know what this is, is it's in between a vegan friendly and a purely vegan restaurant. It's vegan forward. Now in saying that, I would say it's maybe vegetarian friendly, but vegan forward.

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I think vegetarian forward means that they also have meat though. And that's

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because as you fall over the side of me going forward, vegetarian friendly. Meat meat eaters be gone.

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vegan food main that you get cheese on no cheese.

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There was mac and cheese day so with a real cheese though. This one I'm just suspect of everything. Yeah, I had a burger. It wasn't real made. Yeah, but it was an impossible burger. So I'm glad I get to try to enjoy

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Really funny you say it. Oh, I just said I didn't go impossible I just got possible yeah

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Have you ever cooked fake meat at home? No, no no no I don't think so we've made it we've actually made veggie patties but nothing

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problem with fake me that goes by the name of Satan

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it's like say 10 or something is that

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means we're probably worried about like, you know the the closest the closest and apparent in the nation to say chance they probably like

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if you're watching this, we are in a car park and we're using our higher cars headlines, yes, to project the lot. And the main reason we're doing that is because we want to make sure we use the full gas, gas and tank.

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Go to the airport. From a filmmaker perspective, Matt, does this get you to give approval

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absolute garbage. No, I mean, I wouldn't say garbage. I would just say different.

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Yeah. I'm I'm a perfectionist. And I think that's a problem that I have. And I think what I admire about you guys is that you don't care how any of your

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so you guys have you're officially married now, is that right? Yes. Your ring, Matt. No, I don't. I know that's where we got married in a drive through wedding and Vegas. And we were we told we told ourselves that we were not going to tell anybody about it because it was just for the paperwork.

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Love each other,

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love each other, but we wanted to get get ahead of the game.

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So then we did that, but then like, the whole idea was that we weren't going to really tell anybody about it until we actually had our official wedding with all of our friends.

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I'm lay there. And then like the first day that goes into work and just tells every co worker, because you just can't hold on.

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I actually basically had a countdown happening in my office today's getting the days counting down to getting married in Vegas.

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I skipped out of the office on Friday and I was like

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the drive thru marriage Like what?

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Exactly that is like supersize me.

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Basically, if you have been through McDonald's drive thru, that's it.

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Um, you know, even even the cookie character, he sticks his head out the window, I feel like he must have

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to drive. Here's the funniest thing and a part of the story that I've never told before, because it kind of takes away some of the romanticism I would say.

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Talk the car, get out of the car, go inside, no drive.

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Organize the whole deal. The paperwork outside go back to the car drive through. The drive thru is really good.

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Then so you guys are getting married in the secret location I won't say overseas though Italy

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they don't count so like if you get married in Bali which a lot of Australians do. You don't actually get married yeah you just have a party so you pay you're getting a party a party. Yeah, cuz we're already married. Yeah, I might

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get married beforehand so you don't have to deal with the shitty paperwork in Italy. Yeah, you get to pick like an Elvis impersonator. Yeah, like that. Yeah, but we will try to go real budget with it if you hadn't grace.

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Elvis was an extra hundred dollars.

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Because I didn't want to take a day off work. Because the LA courthouse is only open Monday to Friday and I was like this is not worth me taking a day off. Work on the

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came to Vegas

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police

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and so three hours drive oh how long to four and a half hours drive out to Vegas to get dressed. We got right there actually, I know we didn't get dressed up do here's the funny thing. This is the first time ever worn something other than the T shirt

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tag hashtag minimalism

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it was it was a it was a pretty long day because it took a while they wouldn't let her take my last name because I had no identification with the apostrophe and my name really yeah, only my birth certificate has the apostrophe I could I could change my name to Natalie develop and I couldn't be legally empty.

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And I like was saying, just take develop. I was like forget about the apostrophe. You can add it later.

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And then she's like I'm not gonna change my last name to nobody else's your name

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like you have to wait now.

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Yeah, I mean it just feels easy. I just stick to pity

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we did we did tip, the guy was pretty good.

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Here's like the, I mean the most disappointing part for me because I like to hear or to go.

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So we pull up to the drive through. And then they ask us like he said, Do you guys want to recite your own vows? And we look at each other like that would be funny riff do a little bit of improv, like, make some jokes. And then like he's going through this whole thing and he's given his spiel and we're like, this guy is like an idiot like this is like not this this guy's doesn't have it together. And then we want even like holding hands. Yeah.

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Yeah, I think you guys can like look at each other.

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So what's it so you actually in just you could you were just in the car and I bet you have actually got this filmed.

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I'll have to release it publicly at some point. But then we're just there. And then he's kind of going through the whole thing. And he's a referring to us as husband and wife, and it gets into the point of the vows. And then Natalie decided to go first, right because I was a little bit shy and I was not You go first chick, fine young driver who was driving, I was driving, okay. You weren't driving us? Oh, yeah. And then like, she dies the vow, she starts doing her vows. She starts fucking crying. I'm sorry. I love you.

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And I'm like such a great actor. I honestly can't tell you how mad I was. Because I had literally I was like, none of this was emotional to me. This was paperwork.

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Britney Spears got married at

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Yeah, yeah. characters were getting their weddings done

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what you would imagine people looking for a budget wedding show in America is so like growing up in America is because we hear about the the winnings and Vegas stuff. Is it seen as like yeah, it's a bit Bogan, like it's a bit like, Oh, yeah, token funny. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of trying to embrace that because we knew we wanted to do a proper party and reception with family friends and like, we will try to save the

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sentimental value of a wedding. And actually, we weren't even like, Oh, we should we even do vows. Like let's just get through this and get to the pool like in and out Don.

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Literally

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So I tell you family that

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was embarrassing part for me is that she has this like crazy, like romantic, honestly, it's like beautiful. She couldn't have written it any better these vows, like saying, like, you know, I can't believe I met you like, just all these amazing things about me. And then it's like, okay, now it's your turn, Matt and I have been cutting off emotion this whole time. And I'm not good on the spot and I'm not good at improv. I need to plan this out. I didn't know what I'm going to say.

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My strategy, right, yeah. get into character to pretending.

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strategy going into it wise. All right. I'm just gonna use dramatic pauses to make it look like I'm being emotional. So then I like literally start reciting her own speech back. Natalie

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from the MMO when I met you

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I'm looking deep into his soul and I'm like,

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I'm like, he's gonna cry. Like, I seem like looking off into the distance. Like, he can't even look at me and I'm like, Oh my gosh, she's immersion. Three minutes of me being like a robot, like saying words every couple of seconds. And then at the end of it like, the guys like, but you're done. You're done. Okay? And he's like, okay, you know, some of us have a hard time getting our emotions

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turned into sort of like a psychology.

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therapy. What makes you cry, man?

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When was the last time you cried? I just did breath a couple days ago. What to do with breath work. Yeah. Can we try it right now after that before me. And we actually just went on a breath, work retreat. I mean, the whole there's a kind of, I guess there's lots of different types of breath work. My sister is a breath work teacher and hers is more in like the spiritual healing. And the reason why I want to do it is because not because I'm traumatized, but because like, I wanted to push myself outside of my comfort zone and do something that I was totally

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really uncomfortable and against typically, and I did it and it was like yeah, it was like an oddly emotional like changes your state in a way that you wouldn't expect. And it was like a hot it was being a high, huh? Yeah, it wasn't like it was wack. It's not like meditation. It's like physically uncomfortable. But we can do it now. Yeah.

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We're on a little ledge

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here. Yeah, I think in terms of safety, obviously we're not going to do a full session. It's like, I guess anywhere from 10 to 40 minutes. Yeah. And in terms of safety, you should always be lying down on the ground as you get lightheaded and you can certainly pass out.

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Well, maybe like I think we need a

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big breath in

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pizza prefacing with the fact that we are

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completely inexperienced in breath.

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This is my first time teaching a breath work class, and this is a perfect time to do it when there's gonna be a fight.

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You want to

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Obviously the eyes closed. So you want to take one breath into your stomach and you can put your hand over your stomach to kind of feel or your nose or through your mouth mouth and breathe very naturally so your mouth shouldn't be padding or stretching so like and then into your heart

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and then out

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out through your mouth. Yeah, it's all through your mouth and your mouth shouldn't be like you know, or anything should just be very let it out like the nose is the nose for anything nose for nothing

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with him breath work you never use you know.

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Actually like that because he like IK for a theme three, nose out through your mouth that shit with me because I end up with

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two breaths in one breath out. So it's like

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that's quick, I think

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40 minutes.

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About 30 minutes. It is absolutely exhausting. And I feel tingly. Already right? I feel like I feel

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the edibles. Yeah, that's right.

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Yeah. You got pretty high during that I heard Whoa, no. So people want to know, for people who don't know, we decided that we'll try edibles did so in California How long has it been legal for our beginning of last year? Right? Yeah. Because the thing is I'm not someone I've never smoked in my life. I've never done drugs in my life. And so this way it felt like it was safe enough based on sort of the whole med men thing and it's all nice and easy. Do you find that the barrier to entry means that more people are potheads that you wouldn't normally assume.

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I feel like the pothead stereotype has kind of like disintegrated a little bit just because it's so normalized. Yeah. I mean, you're right.

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There's more people like experiencing part. Like especially when they're liking cute little gummy bears. Like what?

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Yeah, but like i don't think that there's this Yeah, there's an association with like, Oh, you don't have your life together?

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That was like January when it just became legal recreationally? Yeah. In the in California The only this year

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was 28. January that's what Yes.

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almost two years ago any girl can have it. Yeah. Any gronk down the street. Yeah. And then we so we flew home after vacation in New Jersey. And then we get to California and I'm driving past madman which is a shot that you guys went to a very popular weed shop. It's like the Apple store of pot. Library for madmen.

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Dr. Pat I drove past it. A line wrapped around the block.

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like crazy and I think that that was like kind of people's initial like it's illegal now so everybody's really into it and wants to go and try and get weed and like have the experience of it but I think that for most people that don't smoke weed they're not gonna go out of their way to get it it's probably still for most people just going to be at every once in a while thing I don't think it's probably turned too many people over to like

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do it like Do you find that IK is like so I started started drinking and it's like a red wine on a Friday night. He's something is doing edibles. Is it like a Sunday thing? I feel like it's similar to what you're explaining but correct me if you disagree. I feel like it's a wellness moment. Like it's a Granger's but not in the morning but on the morning you might have it like anywhere else me on the weekends is just the CBD or is this the like have you done? Yes. HTC which is like the bit that makes you

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we I mean I

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Don't smoke a whole lot. I think it's a whether you like doing it or not. And the difficult thing about marijuana is that you build up a tolerance to it. So I have like smoked frequently in the past. And like when you're smoking every day, or maybe like three to five times a week, you build up a tolerance, but also like, it's more enjoyable because you're used to it. But then like, if you don't smoke much at all, and I if I smoke like once every other month, you just get stoned. Yeah, you can't handle it. And it's not a great it's not good. I don't love it. I don't like I don't smoke.

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consistently, consistently, it has a different feeling. Yeah, do it every now and then you get to bike. I prefer alcohol. I prefer. Yeah, what's less intense? So last night, we had some counties and these things look like little squares. And we only took half which was five milligrams, because you wouldn't believe one you felt that you needed to sort of be across the whole situation as looking after my babies. Yeah.

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My boys and you need one responsible person in the room.

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Hi Ryan.

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Nice I actually I was doing some writing was like the experience one. Like they should always be someone who's done it before so they get the feeling you need to know how they're feeling.

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So what you're explaining is like you don't like this something about the first time you do it and you're entering into this unusual world that you've never experienced these kind of feelings before right and so that can scare you. Like maybe we can get fucking scared shirtless. I wasn't scared though.

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When you're like 16 or 18 will Would you let them smoke weed and or would you do it with them?

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I don't know yet say I smoke weed with my mates dad at like 1213 like I would never do that seems like a shame.

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Maybe maybe there isn't a

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development of the brain though, to where you should be at a certain age before, you know, definitely, I mean, we have grown men doing edibles, you know? Yeah, for the first time for me in America, I didn't pass my peak, I'm not getting any smarter. So

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because I've I linked into it. So we were seeing people today and I was like telling them about the experience. And I was wondering, is it one of those things where some people could look down at it? Like, do you feel that? Is that something people hide? Or could you be talk to your employer if you're working somewhere and could just talk about it freely? So what's interesting is when I have felt like looks down on its by other Australians haven't experienced the culture here that's adapted very quickly to embracing

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and normalizing I can imagine I reckon we'll look back on this and ask doing we filmed us doing it last night. Is it like it was a weird time like this is still a weird thing. This is why we're so fascinated with it.

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In Australia that the stoner mentality like that what you're saying was they were actually actively trying to negate that when when the Lord switched and you actually saw a madman that stole talking about before actually putting up billboards where they cancelled out the word starring ah and they like it was like a really like loner

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try and put a new twist to it

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just became

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they did they replace it with like athlete or doctor they're trying to say that like people just smoke weed and it doesn't define you

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oh my god they come into

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and so when it comes to actually buying marijuana What do you guys and also like from a joint like a couple experience with Do you remember the first time you

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dummies. We're not like stoners. We don't smoke a lot of weed. So like How many times have we gone like maybe for four or five, four or five so really inexperienced like I would say like Wade culture isn't very big in Australia. But

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what does mom say back home?

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Interesting to see how that ties in like the Mad Men store like there. I remember you get you got very excited about the one wall because it's all like different creative, like not the iPad, but it's like different creative like drops and dummies. There's like 100 different like, like an apothecary like it was like, Oh, this is so like, all this stuff is marketed in the way that yeah, it's like stress relief and done a good job. Yeah. Really.

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The guy who was looking after us he was like, now you need to set your own saying

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QC said you saying you like you're in control and also thing and so like, in the video of us I was looking at it last night I was like, I think I'm

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not feeling it.

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The way the way it played out last night for people following along because we put up some Instagram stories and people are very curious to know what happened.

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I had it and within 30 minutes I was laughing my ass. Josh on the other hand stiffened out like a, like a wooden board.

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arms crossed, because I was like, okay,

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they Hi YI. Hi. There was a there was a funny moment where I sort of were missing it seven was like, No you are

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and then I started then I started getting like a bit paranoid.

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annoyed that you were so transfixed on not being where we were that that was your hi I was like you're so in that saying I was just transfixed on laughing and then I got transfixed on you being so down about not be

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pull you out of your audience because then you're like

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I think it's I don't think Josh is the right one for me to get high with to do this because I put I reckon I pulled him out and he pulled me so I'm just like, worried that Josh is like, he's actually losing.

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Five were

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Tommy hit the Grammys, and I got very upset about it. I went to bed, and then I go on to FaceTime I told Bry that I'm just I'm actually fucking angry.

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And then missing 97 was going into bed too. And then I was just like, Man, it's just doesn't feel fair. And I felt like a bit Soucie and sounds

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like you needed

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How, like tell me that. So I'm in bed and then I hit this on the floorboards walking and then missing it seven opens the door. He's like, man, Josh is really upset.

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He wants more.

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Just before I said, Dude, don't you see that? The fact he's so upset about not being where we are stories and why he's actually really high

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was like, Oh dude,

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I was so convinced of it and then

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that's my mind cuz Why have you were sober you just say, Hey dude, I'm not high.

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I felt like I was doing but the other thing

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I was trying was I was like, Tommy was so it felt like to me is like Nah, man, you're resisting, you're resisting. So then I was like, being silly on purpose to try and put me in that state. So the guys were like, Hi. Why did you put a box like a Lacroix box on your head?

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Yeah.

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And Josh usually comes to here and then there's all these little things. And that's why it's like it's not always the same for everybody the feeling of you guys are 30 years old

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13 I mean, that's the exciting thing. What's one thing that you guys have never done in your life that you'd like to do?

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I'm

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not I wouldn't need that. But like, yeah, I've done mushrooms. One. I think I would like to do it again. What about you? I think

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you're in the game.

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You're in the business of trying things. You get your 30 day challenge video. Yeah. Is there is there something there like the iOS gear thing, which was still in the drug say I don't think Josh was pushing for more drug talk.

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It seems a bit

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Like

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Yeah, but it's also like apparently you throw up a lie and seems like a really uncomfortable experience your iOS store is just having dairy

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Yeah, I don't know man like I like the idea of trying new things and like a safe environment in a safe way especially when it comes to something like drugs for content though. Is that the filter? I'll only do it if it's for for content. Absolutely. Yeah, no, that's not true.

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The 30 Day Challenge.

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So when Tommy proposed to his now wife, Amy, he did a video and he even ADR so which is basically like he voice over the bit where he proposed because the audio was

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Very good idea stand for Mr. filmmaker Do you know what if the

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dialogue replacement all your dialogue

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Tommy got me to do it like it record into is fine of her going yeah

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I wouldn't have done it Josh and Josh

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listened to

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watch it do you just feel like dirty You're like a phony

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Do you look back on that and be like yeah, that was the moment

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think the reason so Tommy had an emotional level in any direction happy or sad she wasn't happy to do it. And so I got it was the first one that was on the iPhone because I was like I need this to be a bit shit.

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You need to

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Send me that need to see

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movies when you're thinking too much about content matters not every catch you up. That's funny because they leaving the wedding thing was something that I asked that were and that's not really it wasn't at all for public content. I didn't care about it. But like what what I did was shoot the video

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didn't shoot the video of the proposal to have that. And then after I did it, I was like, like, Can we let Can we make fake that again, but then I'll like do it for a photo, quality raw photo.

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She's like,

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I don't know, that seems weird.

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bad ideas. So we didn't do it. In terms of like the general content that we make. I don't know. You're thinking about? You're thinking about your work and you're filming I would say 90% of the time in terms of our life. Yes.

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Yeah.

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What's he doing in that other

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Isn't thinking about film or filmmaking?

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No, I don't think I think about it that much. We do talk about it quite a bit though. Yeah. love languages do you think oh

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physical affection and

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jewelry diamonds.

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So what's the deal with with rings? So we were talking to someone the other day about this. When it comes to engagement rings I've done all the right brain. I've been together for

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12 years haven't proposed yet. But I, in the early days was always wigging out by this idea of buying the ring. And the expectation around buying the ring. Did you feel the pressure, man? Yeah, I was stressed out about it. I wouldn't also like if Matt didn't want to ring or she was okay with, like getting like a fake ring.

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But she wanted a ring and then

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so I know it's like, I mean, I don't know I

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about it. What's the deal?

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She gave me a Pinterest board of all the kind of rings that she wanted. And she was interested in and then I kind of actually what happened was, I browse through a bunch of them and then I found one that I felt like, I know nothing about diamonds. I know nothing about jewelry. And then I got the diamond and then they sent it from New York here. And then I look at it and I'm like, yeah, that's a really pretty but I'm like, but it looks like it's I cracked

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But it wasn't like that's how it was on the website. I just didn't realize it. It was like an idealized diamond. So it was kind of cloudy and like that hand up, I believe. Wow, he likes that normal.

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Yeah, like Yeah. So then I was like, so I got it. And then I held on to it for like three months. No, yeah, it was well past the time, I could return it. And then I'm like, looking at it. And then I'm like, probably three weeks away from proposing. And I'm like, I just had this like deep sinking feeling in my gut where I'm like, she's gonna hate this. This ring is terrible. Like I need to, I need to return it or something. So then I'm like, freaking out. And I go back to the website that I bought it on. And I'm just browsing and looking for other rings. And then it was a wish.com.

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No, it actually is the other sponsor for this channel every

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now, but they're like, she was amazing. And it's like, ethically sourced diamonds. And

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so what happened was like I emailed her frantically and like, I was like, Oh my god, like, I think that

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My fiance is going to hate this. I didn't say like that because I get so many the rain, but I'm like, I think I made a mistake. I want to actually exchange this rain for another one. And the other one happened to be a little bit more expensive. So I think she was totally okay with it. Okay, and then I had to ship it back, I shipped it back. I asked to get insurance at the UPS store or not the UPS store the postal store, and they said that they don't insure jewelry.

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And I shipped it anyway. And the guy knew the exact value of it because I told him

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to ship it and it was like oh my god, it happened to make its way there but I was like, there's nothing I could do. Did you actually fit because I you see on the websites they say needs to be to two months of your salary or some bullshit like that. Did you enter into any of that?

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No, it wasn't your freelance salary.

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What are we talking here?

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I don't think I was making any money.

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losing money.

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Exactly so it's like negative. But um, no, I think that's I think that's total BS

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on Yahoo Answers

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the best now but I mean, I didn't really care about that much for me personally to like I was okay with spending a little bit more than I would typically because it's literally the only piece of jewelry I've ever bought Natalie, and will be the only piece of jewelry I ever buy.

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Yeah, Matt Matt told a story on this podcast the other day that when he first started doing these things, his YouTube thing committing to the year, a year and a half, that you were very supportive later to find out, do you really know what he was up to? Maybe panicking Yeah, and so fast forward 2 million plus subscribers. What a nice big ring.

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You

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just want to let you know you're wrong.

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I mean, it's easy to look back and say, Yeah, you did it now but what's that been like for you that journey? Yeah, that's really interesting because I

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was like, I'm gonna quit client work. I mean, I didn't really know exactly what mad films films. Are you married to a filmmaker when your wife says he's gonna quit client work?

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Like I just came back from work one day and he had all these foreign panels up like all over all pop it and I'm like, What the fuck is going on here?

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Okay, like, Hey, what's what's happening? And he was like, Oh, I'm gonna start a podcast. And like, internally, I was like, What the fuck, like he's his. His primary skill is filming. He's gonna ditch that and go for an audio only format, which He's never done before, but I couldn't say that. Although

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Obviously like, Oh yeah, that's great. Like, you should totally experiment with that like, fill it out like football whatever went to work literally every day for the next six months just paying out Matt hon.

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I was like, literally was like almost like a stand up bit like I was like,

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really wasn't.

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And it wasn't until I would even say like six months ago when Matt was like, because currently I'm relying on Matt a lot right now to encourage me on my next steps, and that was like, Oh, you were a huge help for me like getting getting off the ground. I was like, What What do you mean? And he's like, well, you encouraged me so much. And I was like, Huh, confession.

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I was faking it.

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He did talk about this. It kind of a joke kind of not. And it's kind of like parlayed a relationship that everything is layered in like a fine layer of self deprecation and making fun of each other and paying each other out. That's why you married to an OZ. Yeah.

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Like when it comes down to it like 100%, she genuinely supported me and 100% she like pushed me and encouraged me to do it. She didn't understand what it meant, or if it would work out, but she knew that if I didn't do it, because I've been talking about it so much that I would have regretted it for the rest of my life. Yeah, I mean, it's true, saying fake it until your partner makes it.

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And then you support it.

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With it with the podcasting thing, did you learn that? audio only wasn't actually the thing. I only did audio only for the first while I did like three or four podcast recordings that I never released. Because I intended to like, I was gonna do like a Freakonomics type edit, where I do an interview and then I turn it into a story and then I just realized that was like, way too much work for them what I wanted to do, so I did like three or four of those and then I just scrapped and then I probably did, and then like that, that's when I started to just do I actually from Episode One, I did do video, but it was

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Every couple I would skip and just do audio. But the main intention from the beginning was to do audio. But then I was thinking like, how can I bring in my own unique perspective? And what do I have? What skill set do I have? And maybe other podcasters? Don't? And it's like, well, I'm a filmmaker. So I brought it into everything I do.

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What what, sorry, just one Why do you think it's worked for Matt? Um, that's a good question. I think Matt is equal parts creative as he is to business. So like, he he's obviously very creative, but he knows how to structure his work, how to strategize his work, um, and like I feel like your business sense has I think really impressed me coming from a business world and like working in corporate I'm like I it's quite surprising that you haven't come from that world because I feel like you understand it much better than I do. I did run my business was from for eight years.

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I was a freelance me I was a freelancer. But yeah, yeah, I haven't come

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I could imagine someone as creative as you, they might not have the other big yes a lot of creatives loose units when it comes to their account so and I also think I forgot to say this I also think it's because that's a made a business out of his passion and his hobby. And I think a lot of people say about my, you know, it's, it's hard but like, Matt can't sleep unless he's been able to like, film every idea. Like he gets really, really excited when we go traveling. Like, all he does is just miss work. Like, like when I go traveling, I'm like, Oh, my God, I'm counting back. I'm counting down the days that I have to go back to her boss. He's like, Oh, I can't wait to get back. Yeah, there's a Seth Godin quote, or he's like, I guess the point that you're trying to go after is that you want to have a job that you don't feel like you have to escape from Oh, definitely. And I need I definitely think I need to get better I enjoying the brakes and enjoying the time off. But I mean, I think probably you guys as well. It's like when you really love what you do, and you're driven you

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You don't want to spend too much time away from it. And that you're an exciting time

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leaving employment to do your own thing.

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How you feeling with with all that stuff wanting question? Yeah, um, how am I feeling? Pretty terrified to be honest. The last few months I've taken sabbatical just to like help process and take the time to slowly get myself started and doing freelance work and it's been kind of shitty Mike. Surprisingly, I was like, I had this idea in my head where I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm gonna be drinking margaritas every day like,

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but

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it was the expectation versus reality. What was the biggest shocker Do you think I whole Um, I think the biggest shocker to me was how,

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how much had been ignoring my own personal self.

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blades and I've been using a career to kind of plug a hole and distract me from actually spending any time like assessing and checking in with myself mentally emotionally like saying like how I'm feeling I don't think I've probably done any of that work or given myself that kind of attention ever. Um, so without a Korea or like work day to day like plug that hole, it became very confronting very quickly. But I've become like, I mean, I'm not just saying this I've come really grateful for this period because you know, fast I hated it and I was like this funky thoughts. I'm so bored I feel completely lacking in value. I feel useless, especially when like, man it's been like so busy.

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It's almost like hot and that but yeah, I'm super grateful for this period to like, just focus on myself and like, feel like what I want and what I need. I think it's really important. What Americanism Have you employed that in terms of like coming, you know, coming from Australia five years ago, and seeing how they operate here and seeing how you're entering into that freelance world now. What is one thing you think you

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Need a bring that might not have been, you know, encouraged back home?

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I mean, I don't know cuz like I To be honest I really like almost fetishize like, and I really miss Australian working culture. So I think personally, what is it? What's the How do you explain that just like,

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time for a finish

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when you arrived in New York, and I mean, that's the opposite of that. Yeah, were you when you were entering that space? Were you looking at the Australian work culture is being a bit softer. We did you always have respect for the way. Ozzy sort of did. It's weird though because like, it's weird, because Ozzy's are really like, work hard, play hard. Get in, get the job done. Get out and like

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Get on with your life. Yeah, um, well, it's I feel like and I'm obviously generalizing here, um, I feel like there's a real value and pressure to be at work. Like, for an insane amount of hours, it's the presence at work, which matters more than the actual work that you put in. And so, you know, often sometimes I'd look around and people were on YouTube until 2pm in the afternoon, and then they'd start work, and then they'd gloat about how they stayed till, till 10pm. Which, like, it's just not, you know, um, and then it's just like, there's a very independent style, like an independent worldview here. So it's like, instead of, you know, and I don't know if Americans would agree with this, but you know, because everyone always touts the importance of team and blah, blah, blah. But like, all these there's a lot of camaraderie, um, and it's natural. But with Americans, it's very independent focused. So I found it really hard to like, invest in a team and not feel like I was necessarily getting that kind of energy back. I'm sorry.

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I like stay in your own lane yeah stay in your own lane and like just not a lot of like not a not even like crossing lines to help each other right? It was just kind of like oh I can see you're thinking that socks on with me like yeah climbing a mountain my lettuce I know helping you bro yes super super super competitive yeah yeah it's like very dog a dog Of course this is this maybe even more so in the industry I was working in like an appetizing probably but at least when I went and advertising in Sydney versus working in New York in LA I say that is like real stock differences across companies. I watched him.

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Do you Vela? With your having an employee? Is this the first employee Oscar? Yeah, and this is our first week just got finished. What What are you trying to bring from a cultural point of view to having a team?

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culturally I mean, it's interesting because it when you're talking about two people.

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It's more of like a relationship culture. Like it's not like a full team. But I think it's something that I'm like learning and I think I was very nervous.

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In the beginning, because I think I put a lot of pressure myself and I wanted to make sure that I was showing up in the right way. And I wasn't like letting my own internal stress or overwhelm about certain projects, kind of reflect that dynamic and put it on them. And also making sure that I'm there to teach and, and help them grow and give them an experience that they think is like a big deal for somebody to leave their job. And they come work for me full time. And I don't take that lightly. So I want to make sure that they're happy and that they're getting what they expected out of that position.

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So I mean, culture is something to be defined I think as we get moving and maybe as I bring on more people onto the team, but yeah, just trying to do my best. We all well, we better go so that we don't run out of petrol

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Yeah.

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it's not concrete

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not concrete

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