Intern Pete Deppeler on Red Carpets, Content & Mental Health

Peter: The Daily Talk Show.

Tommy: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 463, and we've got intern Pete in the building. Actually, no, we're completely out of the building, the Ovolo Hotel where we've been staying. We're at the park.

Peter: We're in the most open park in Sydney and we're all squashed together. It's great.

Tommy: I feel like I've been seeing you and your fitness training. I think it's all been for this, to get your hips loose enough to be able to sit down on the ground like we are.

Peter: Yeah, no, it's good. Keep an eye on my posture. That's all the physio ever says is keep a straight posture. So if I start slouching down, just let me know. Well, we've got Mr. 97 here.

Tommy: He can just yell out, "Straighten!" There we go.

Peter: By the way, a little bit starstruck to meet this guy. This guy's become quite the internet sensation, hasn't he? You guys really made him.

Tommy: Well, I mean, he's been our intern. It's become a full-time job. I mean, he just doesn't work with the kind of talent that you do.

Peter: Right, okay. You pay him? Yeah. Okay, good on you. Yeah, it's nice to get some money sometimes.

Josh: When it comes to living in Sydney, I've heard that some people will really stay in their box, in their one area, in their one suburb. Do you spend much time around here?

Peter: No, so we're in, where are we, Woolloomooloo. So this is the place you go to for a corporate lunch. This is a place where you go to, you know, play up a little bit, I suppose, on a weekend, but it's also a pretty expensive part as well. So I'm an inner wester, or inner westie, I should say, which is like the poor version of Newtown, if you can even have that. But it's kind of the area that I like. I like the inner west. There's lots of breweries and lots of, it's not too weird, 'cause here you've got weirdos walking around everywhere.

Tommy: And 3-meter pizzas at Criniti's. Yeah, totally. Is that close to the Is this the KISS FM office?

Peter: No, we're in North Ryde. So we're over the way, over the other side of Sydney. So in what I call the metropolis, North Ryde, where we're kind of in the middle of nowhere, but we're right— industrial is probably the wrong word, but like the big Optus buildings over there and it's just become a mecca of buildings the last couple of weeks.

Tommy: There's a Westfield.

Peter: Yeah, there is. No, it's a Macquarie Centre. Best shopping centre in Sydney though, by the way.

Tommy: It's not bad. I've been—

Josh: what have they got?

Peter: Oh, just got shops.

Tommy: And just call it the best. But no, I actually went— parking's a bit of a nightmare around the KISS office.

Peter: Yeah, it is.

Tommy: Do you at least get a car park?

Peter: I get a car park. No, I have to pay for a car park. So there's some levels of management, and I'm not management by any means, so an intern is always never gonna get— he's always gonna have to pay for their car park. But that comes out of my monthly pay, and you know, I never notice it. So it's not a great car park. I've still got to walk a kilometre to get into the office.

Tommy: So we've had Jase Hawkins on the show. He got his nickname from Kyle Sanderlance. Yeah, Labby. Labby?

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: No, yeah, Lab Rat. Yeah, Lab Rat. Labby.

Peter: But I think he's trying to get rid of that name.

Tommy: Oh, he's dropped it. How did you get intern position?

Peter: Sweet. Well, so I started at Kiss just before the end of Mix 1065, and I was doing a bit of contracting, and that was weird. I got this job, lied through my teeth, and it was called, they called it a social media manager. So I became a social media, when, you know, just when Facebook and Twitter was sort of really getting going, and I remember going, "Yeah, I can do that. I got that, I got that." And lied through my teeth. I got caught out about a couple of weeks into it because there was just spelling mistakes on the Facebook page, and it was just, became a bit of a mess, so. Kyle and Jackie O were coming over and obviously I'd worked at Today FM beforehand on the Hot 30, Triple M before that. So I sort of had a connection there a little bit, a bit loosely. So I just made sure I hung around for the right times before I got fired. And then the Intern Pete character was born, was actually born on when the Modern Family cast came to Australia. Do you remember when they filmed the TV show? The TV episode there? Yeah, they came and Eric Stonestreet came on the Sunday morning and I don't know where all the producers were, but I was like, well, let's go and get him at the airport. And so I got him on the show or got him on the voice memos and then played that on the show. And then Kyle said, well, go and get another one. You know, because each day there was different cast members flying in in groups of 2, I think it was. The next day it was Jesse Tyler and he flew in and I was live on the air with Kyle and Jack and it was just a scramble because word had got out they were flying in on the 8 o'clock flight from Qantas. You know, they had the deal there, all that sort of stuff. We got him. It was amazing. We pushed everyone out of the way and it was a really good feeling, right? And then Kyle sort of, I think he started, I don't know if he mucked up the word contractor with intern, but then he started calling me, this intern wants to get a job. So every day I want a Modern Family cast member on the show. So I went back the next day, and I think it was Sofia Vergara and who's the guy, the old guy, Jay, Jay, you know the character. You know the character. Sorry about that.

Tommy: Oh geez, we're getting attacked.

Peter: Yeah, so what happened there was I was deflated because everyone caught on that if you go to the airport, all the other radio stations and all the other media, if you go to the airport, you'll get them. You'll actually get them.

Tommy: So I came back really deflated.

Peter: And I said to Jackie on the roof, I was like, do you know what? I'm gutted because also I was causing a bit of ruckus as well at the airport. Like, I was a bit loud, a bit yelly. Security weren't happy, police weren't happy, all that sort of stuff.

Tommy: Usually it tends to be the place not to do any of those behaviors.

Josh: Is that a character trait that has been with you always, or is that—

Peter: I'm pretty hungry to get— if I want to go and get something, I'll do what it takes. And I feel like I'm protected, hopefully, by the lawyers at work if it all goes bad, because this is where it went really bad is I said to Jackie, I said, there's no way I'm going to get these next ones that fly in the next day. What I'm going to have to do is— what if I flew to LA and got on the same flight as them and maybe get on the plane? Anyway, that flight had already taken off, but I was like, what if I fly to New Zealand and back? So I flew to New Zealand, had an hour nanny nap in the hotel, then got back on the plane to land at the exact same time as the final Modern Family cast. And of course, I called into the show live and there was Phil, Phil, Phil, the dad.

Josh: Phil Dunphy.

Peter: Yeah, Phil Dunphy and the wife, Julie. And next minute I'm in the baggage carrier, there they are, I'm live on the air, and bang, here comes the police. They've literally swarmed me. They thought I had jumped through border security and not caught a flight. And they were going, "Where have you been?" I said, "New Zealand." They said, "What for?" And I said, "A meeting." They're like, "What meeting?" I said, "Just a really quick one." And this is all live on the air. I've hung up on Kyle and Jack, and they're thinking I've been arrested, it's all over, it's all over. And they're like, basically it was just pandemonium, 'cause also you're not allowed to use a phone at the baggage carrier as well. Is that right? Yeah, I learned my lesson that day. So I couldn't call back. So they're left in limbo thinking I've been arrested, it's all over, it's all over. Finally, I got my phone back, convinced them that yes, I'm a legitimate customer who's, you know, flying back into the country. And then we got back on the phone and it was like, "Oh my God, what happened?" So I explained. And at this stage, Robbie Williams had flown in on the same flight. "We'll go and get him." And then other journalists were calling in. It was just pandemonium. And then I was pretending to limp, to walk slower, because they were like, "Get out of the airport." And it was just mayhem. And then I just remember being, oh, okay. So I flew all the way back there and got absolutely nothing.

Josh: Did you love it though?

Peter: I loved it. We made Rose Leslie from Game of Thrones wait in the green room. She was ready for her spot on the air and Karl's going, no, no, no, no, we've got to get an outcome. I know he's got an outcome. I didn't have an outcome. We made Rose Leslie wait for an hour.

Josh: Have you always been someone who wants to impress people? Like, I guess this is a good example of, I remember being a kid and always people saying they would show off and wanting to impress people. Was there a little bit of wanting to impress the show?

Peter: Yeah, I think so, because Kaya Jack's also the show that, you know, I did radio for probably like 8 or 9 years beforehand. It was always the show I wanted to work on, do you know what I mean? Like, it was definitely there. And you do want to impress though, do you know what I mean? You don't— I always think like if they're investing in you to even put you on a plane to go anywhere or give you a cab charge, you've got to justify the trip, do you know what I mean? Like, we know radios, we've got some pretty good budgets and all those sort of things, but But if they're investing in you to go somewhere and do something, you have to deliver. There's no question about it. So I put a lot of pressure on myself to do that as well.

Tommy: And so what was the drive to want to work for Kyle and Jackie O? Because from Melbourne, or if you live in Melbourne, I don't think you get it like when you do when you live in Sydney. Because when I lived up here, I was like, wow, there's a real buzz. Even in the morning driving, like I got it when I moved here.

Peter: Yeah, absolutely. I reckon it's just the show. It's probably the most raw and honest show there. Where they're going to tell it how it is and they're almost going to reflect, you know, whether it's their moods, what's going on in the— whatever happens on the traffic at 5 AM in the morning, that's what's going to be reflected on the show. And I just think there's no other rawer show out there. It is so raw. Kyle will be honest. If he doesn't like a song, he will tell it on the air to the listeners. And I feel like they're along for the ride as well, which is why I just love the honesty about it because there is no secrets on our show. Do you know what I mean? Like we're all literally— I think if you are caught, or if you are lying or trying to protect something, it generally gets caught out eventually. And that mightn't be a bad thing. It just means you didn't want to bring that up on the air at the time, and it'll come out.

Tommy: It actually makes it a great workplace because you know everyone, you know where they're at, you know what mood you're in.

Peter: Yeah, totally. And so, and we've got a great production team as well where we, you know, if someone's having an off day, it's okay to say, "I'm off today, can you have my back?" or whatever it happens to be. And we all do have each other's back in every single way. We protect each other, you know, 'cause at the end of the day, what's coming out of the speakers is the most important thing, but the staff are just as important to look after as well.

Josh: Did you always wanna be on air? Like, was that part of the plan?

Peter: So I did on air in regional Victoria for a few years. I had a brekkie show called The Whole Hog with Depler. Not a huge success, but—

Josh: What would you talk about?

Tommy: What's your sort of—

Peter: Oh, we did the $500 minute. We did, I had my mum on air a lot. Mum's a bit of a character. Yeah, just the general hoo-ha. It wasn't a great show, but I enjoyed it. What year was it? Oh God, so that would be over 10 years ago now, 11, maybe 12 years ago. Yeah. So I did the rounds of regional Victoria for a while, moved to South Australia, worked at Magic FM in the Riverland, you know, lied my way to get a job there. That was awesome. But some of the best years of my life was regional radio though. Like, I absolutely loved it. And you know what? You hear the storeys all the time. It's the best grounding and all that sort of stuff. But it actually really is, you know, you learn to do everything. They never let me copyright though, because I could not spell. I literally can't spell.

Tommy: Nor can I, mate. Maybe that's why they let me into regional radio too.

Josh: It seems like there's a lot of people in regional radio that end up being like copywriters and stuff like that because they have to write their own ads.

Peter: Yeah, you gotta do everything. Yeah, literally everything. I think I was producing, doing the brekkie show. That's it, actually.

Tommy: It's a fair pressure in itself when you— I don't— you've got capacity when you're younger And you've only, you know, when you're new to something, you can only sort of take on so much. And so doing the breakfast show as it is, is a fair cognitive load on you after a full day. Like, I remember getting off air and I'd be so spent, and it was the intensity going into it that I probably just made for myself. But are you still now, you know, 10 years later, coming off air with the team going, whoa, Oh, we're spent. This was, we gave it all.

Peter: Yeah, totally. They're the best shows. And I think, and I do aim for that feeling every show though, 'cause you wanna walk out like, I call it a Saturday night service in hospitality. You're organized, you've got everything ready. There's nothing you can do better. Like you've got it ready, but it's just gonna go haywire. And that's the feeling you want every single show. Like we've had some whopper of shows, you know, from the launch to you get a car day to literally, I think, you know, the other day we did the Every Caller who made it to where he got a holiday somewhere around the world. And those days are just so spectacular. But we have to make sure the days that aren't those big, big moments are just as special. And that can be anything from a guest or a moment or whatever it happens to be, you know?

Josh: I feel like your character on air, there's a level of punter mentality which you bring, which I love. But with the role that you have beyond the going up to the red carpet and going up to people, you need to have self-awareness. You need to understand when to approach people, when not to. How do you distinguish between those moments?

Peter: Yeah, you're right. There's actually so many working parts to that because there is, should I approach now? Do I approach like that and then get kicked off the carpet and get no more content for the night? Or do I risk that relationship and with a smile on my face and go, "Just kidding, just kidding," but say it anyway. Yeah, there's so many. I love a red carpet because everyone's taking it seriously who's working on that red carpet. This is their thing. They've been building up for this for the entire year, whether it's the Logies, Oscars, or whatever it happens to be. Just, this is their time. So you do wanna respect that. I'll always respect what the carpet is, but at the same time, as I said before, I need to deliver. I need to deliver some content. And the good thing I suppose about Intern Pete is a failure sometimes can be a win because you have to deliver something. And I think there, I just, when you, sorry, go back to your point about knowing when to go, I've got it wrong. So many times. Oh really? So many times. I brought a couple of midgets— sorry, small statured people— to the Logies a couple of years ago and just got absolutely hammered for it. Like, people were disgusted. Yeah, you know, whereas others got it. They got it, you know what I mean? And then when I spoke to them, I said, are you guys offended? They're like, no, you're giving us employment for a night, thank you very much. Yeah, I mean, a couple of guys from Melbourne, awesome, awesome dwarfs. dwarfsforhire.com.au if you ever need them. They're actually really awesome guys.

Josh: And what are the people who are in your position but at other radio stations, or, you know, they're doing a different shtick, which is the showing up— it's probably the Tommy Jackett approach in some ways, where it's when he was doing the red carpet thing, you sort of, you're behind the line, you do your bit. Do you find that people are envious of your ability just to fuck shit up?

Peter: People hate my guts. They hate me. I have been abused by so many people. There's so many people, it's literally like, I don't ever want to, like, you know, if you're to the right from one radio station and another, like, there's a respect, right? But at the end of the day, you can feel that guest who's running late, publicists are pushing them along, they're starting to cull. So they're starting to cut, you cannot be on that cull list. You absolutely need to fight tooth and nail for it and make sure you got it. And if that means right at that last moment stepping over, and I had to do this in New York a couple of weeks ago with 50 Cent. Literally that. I was like, well, I've got to go to the carpet now and we've got to get him. And there's no question about it. And I did that. We got 4 seconds of audio, which Carl and Jack were really stoked to fly me all that way to get 4 seconds.

Tommy: What did he say?

Peter: Well, I gave him a necklace with a 50-cent coin on it. So I thought that would be funny. That'd be lighthearted. And then ask him about his TV show Power.

Josh: And people moved you on very quickly.

Peter: Very quickly.

Josh: And so are those— do the people working for those high-profile people, do they understand the schtick in which you're playing in?

Peter: Probably not in America, but, but that's okay. I think when the American red carpets are the funnest because there's always a lot of confusion of who's supposed to be on the carpet and who's not. Yeah, I've done a few little tricks up my sleeve because I've done a few carpets. I keep lanyards with me and I've got a few fake lanyards as well because when you start to work out, oh, that's what the VIP one looks like, I've got a similar colour there, and maybe I'll do a bit of a swap here and see where it lands. But you know what, when your time's done on the carpet, when you're asked to leave, Just leave. It's over. It's done. Maybe one more little go on the way out, but yeah, you gotta have a go.

Josh: When we were coming to Sydney, I am a Gold Velocity member with Virgin Australia. Not to brag, I mean, I mentioned it 4 times already in Sydney. This storey's making the rounds. But basically, you only get one plus one. Oh, of course.

Peter: In the lounge.

Josh: We've got Mr. 97.

Tommy: Which, he's third wheel.

Josh: And so—

Tommy: They should have the third wheel policy.

Josh: We were determined to get Mr. 97 in, and they were not budging. And I was trying everything. I was like, we're wearing the same clothes.

Tommy: I love it. He did a great job, by the way. He went hard. Josh did.

Josh: And then when we ended up, like they said, oh look, you can pay $65 for him to go in and you can all go in. And out of principle, I said, oh look, then none of us will go. And so we walked off and had a shit coffee somewhere. But do you find that that mentality that you bring to your work of just being unashamed of all your approach? Yeah, I don't, there's no point being embarrassed or ashamed of anything you do.

Peter: To be honest.

Josh: But do you do that in day-to-day?

Peter: Like in restaurants? I think I do. I like, there's no need to be a fool if you don't need to be. And I'm not saying I act like a fool all the time, but there's, I think we're all taking life too serious. I genuinely believe that in everything we do. Everyone's become a food expert because they've got an Instagram and all that sort of stuff. Do you know what I mean? I just think have a bit of fun with it because guess what? We're all doing the same thing. We're all making money. We're all just trying to have a go. Do you know what I mean? So I definitely do bring the fun. Well, I try to bring the fun in life. As much as I can and then, you know, have the quiet time at home.

Tommy: Is it like Alex Honnold, the rock climber who doesn't have the part of his brain that experiences the fear? Have you literally lost the bit where it's like, I don't have the embarrassment? No, you feel it.

Peter: No, I definitely have the fear. Absolutely. Fear is always there. Anxiousness is always there. But I think I thrive off that as well. I think that's my— where in that split moment, if it is the biggest interview in the world or whatever it happens to be, that's when that anxiety and fear just explodes. That's, yeah, it's a really weird feeling.

Josh: So I'm not very much across sport, but I do remember a time where you were completely rocked by something you'd done. It involved a cricket player and you got up and said something and then you weren't feeling great from the public response.

Peter: That was a weird one, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a weird one. That was, you talking about Steve Smith? Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, that was the press conference. That was Easter last year, I think it was. It was a Thursday night, I think it was about 7:07 PM. No, not that I, yeah, no, that was a—

Josh: rattle you, right?

Peter: Like, it did. And I think, I think a lot of people— what rattled me the most is, I think, I think the immediacy after a press conference like that, when what has been called a bombshell had gone off, you know, Steve was very upset about it. And, you know, flying in from what had happened with the cricket and stuff. And I definitely, I just remember leaving the airport with just the camera crews following me and going, oh shit, okay, I think this is something. I think there is something here that's crossed the line because I do, as I was saying, when I do a press conference or a red carpet, it's kind of, you know, I am thinking about things, but I'm also, you know, read that room wrong. Really read that wrong. But what was the biggest thing that I was just blown away was not the social media backlash. It was the DMs, the inboxes, the death threats was just— I was blown away. More from like parents, but you know, because the best advice I got was, guess what, tonight delete Twitter and Instagram off your phone. Just get it off, get it off. I was like, yep, you're right, you're absolutely right. I didn't, of course I didn't. Sat up all night, read every single one of them, read every single message. It was the worst thing I ever did. But then you start clicking on the pictures and then you go, oh my god, you're a mum with your 3 kids and you've just told me to go and hang myself. Like, it's It's just ludicrous what's going on out there at the moment. And for me, that was quite a frightening moment. Then they found my mum on social media and my mum's a dairy farmer from Victoria. Do you know what I mean? And then that starts getting offensive.

Tommy: I mean, I wouldn't fuck with a dairy farmer from Victoria.

Peter: Absolutely not. If you met my mum. Tough as nails. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, that was a, you know, you can call it a fair but frightening moment of people are pretty crazy when it comes to social media. And we all know the storeys of keyboard warriors and stuff like that.

Tommy: Because in that sense, that advice, turn it off, means it's not there. It is happening there, so the energy is almost being put out there. Yeah. So you go into work, how are you feeling?

Peter: Well, that was a weird one because that was a Thursday night. It was a long weekend. We weren't back on air until the Tuesday.

Josh: Yeah.

Peter: So it was a long time to wait.

Tommy: Long weekend. Long weekend, still short.

Peter: And everyone around me was absolutely awesome. And I think I couldn't— I understood why, but a lot of my friends friends were over, you know, overcautious about me and stuff like that. But whereas I get hate on— literally, you read the comments on any of my posts, I just get hate from lesbians in a fun way, and it's always fun and jokey. So I never—

Josh: and it feels different.

Peter: This one's definitely different. But it was when I went down, I walked out of the house to get a cup of coffee, and literally, I think there was two ladies just went, "You crossed the line! You crossed—" I'm going, "How do you even know who I am?" And then of course it was just this trying to walk back to my car, and then it was more people and more people and more people and just turned into a bit of a gang pack around my car. What? People were— I didn't realise how passionate people were about cricket in this country. And, and to be honest, I still had to wait till Tuesday till we were back live on the air. I wasn't allowed in the studio until 8 AM, so I had to wait then. And then Kyle and Jack— look, Kyle couldn't help himself. He opened the show and literally absolutely gave it to everyone who trolled me. Yeah, you know, he really gave it to them there, and I am forever grateful to both Kyle Kyle and Jack, to be honest, for their support.

Tommy: Is that something Kyle— very loyal to his team?

Peter: Oh, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. It was because it was, um, yep, okay, uh, didn't nail the— and I don't say that casually, but I mean, you know, I didn't nail the moment, all that sort of stuff. But it was just, okay, that happened, but now all this is happening. And guess what? If I was, you know, you know, weaker or whatever— or not, and that's the wrong word, but you know what I mean?

Josh: Like, well, it's like this— do that to the wrong person, uh, 100— like, yeah, the impact that would have on people's life. There's great book by Jon Ronson called So You've Been Publicly Shamed. Yeah. And it talks all about someone might have done something wrong, but the backlash well and truly goes overboard in regard.

Peter: It's the outrage machine. Yeah, it just goes and goes and goes. And then we're in this world now where memories come up and then there's reminders over and over, and then the same people want to come back and just have another little go. And that's fine. Like, look, to be honest, sure, if anyone wants to have a conversation 'Let's go.' You know, let's have it. If you need to have the conversation, we did say everything on the show, but sure, let's have it. And we're here now, aren't we?

Tommy: First interview since. Totally, totally.

Josh: I mean, it's interesting because when you're doing stuff, when you're making content, when you're talking for a living, you're bound to have moments of saying shit that you regret or doing something. Have you got a way in which you reconcile that if something doesn't go Well, do you address it? Do you address it even internally with the team and say, hey, I didn't like how this ended up going?

Peter: Yeah, sometimes it might happen with a misinterpret. I reckon like an international star might misinterpret me completely because I'm very yally on a red carpet as well. Like, you voice— I feel like I need to yell sometimes, just to let them know that I'm here and, you know, we committed our time as well as you. You're getting paid lots of money and I'm not. But, and that happened to me with, I won't name who it was, but it happened on the carpet and straight away I knew that the publicist wasn't happy for me yelling at this star. It was literally just a, "Hey, over here, it's Intern Pete!" And I knew that publicist would text our EP straight away. I was like, "Oh, I think I can feel the look." She goes, "Already got the text message. Apparently you're a disgrace. You know, you've crossed the line." I went, "Wow, okay, okay." So that's what you deal with. So I know that when I do get a bit yelly and stuff like that, publicists, you know, get funny with me, but I understand they're there to protect their talent as well. But I'm definitely, I'm not here in a bad-natured way. I'm not here to hurt anyone or anything like that. It's just here to get some content. What do you think?

Tommy: So the celebrities that you hear about that give donuts, that are rude, we've heard a few storeys this week. Ben Fordham, I think, is the complete opposite. He looks for moments to— he looks for things to make the person he's speaking to shine when he's the one that's the talent or the guest. But then you hear these people that Jeremy Renner told a storey about that just gave nothing. Yes, just, you know, little answers. Yeah, nah. Yeah. And so what do you think is driving those celebrities that don't give anything? They're just— they're in a complete position of privilege. Totally, totally.

Peter: Hugh Jackman nailed it, I reckon. He nailed it. He once said in an interview, you do your movies for free and you get paid to do your PR. Yeah, I love that. I was like, you're absolutely right, because we all know, like, a, like a, what do you call it, a junket for a movie, right? There's a hotel room, there's 40 to 50 journalists over 2 days. Bang, bang, bang, 8 minutes, 8 minutes, 8 minutes, 8 minutes. Hugh Jackman's like, no, well, these guys have given up all their time. I consider getting paid for these 2 days. The movies, they're just for free. And I just thought, that is such a great outlook on life, you know, those things. You give the people the time that are giving you the time to talk about your movie.

Tommy: Mate, I would do 2 days of press, but the movie would be absolutely horrible. I'd still take the money for the press days.

Josh: Who surprised you as just being a really quality guest on the red carpet?

Peter: Only the— oh, on the red carpet, I wanted to mention one that was on the show the other day. Gary Vee. Oh my god, father, now there's— I mean, I mean, look, I'm sure there's a lot of your audience that follow him as well, but just the way he conducted himself was more than I imagined in the studio. Like, obviously, you know, we've got such a large team. He went around, he introduced himself to everyone, and he's also a guy that remembered everyone's name on the way out of the interview as well. And he wasn't, he wasn't doing it out of— I'm sure he was doing it out of politeness, but he was also, he was making the effort and it didn't feel forced. Yeah, he wasn't putting it on. He wasn't like, oh, thank you for having me on the show. He was like, no, thank you. Yeah, for having me on the show, like, and it actually meant something, do you know what I mean? And you don't get that a lot. I think there's a lot of fakeness that can go on, you know, "Oh, thanks for supporting us," like, whatever, that's great, of course we will, you're good, you're famous, so you're coming on. But yeah, he was real. He was probably the realest person I've ever met.

Josh: What's the difference? What was he doing?

Peter: He was literally being himself, literally just being himself.

Josh: So is it with words though? Is it like he's—

Peter: He's a pretty warm guy, like, I think he was pretty warm and welcoming and he didn't feel like, you know, he had a bit of an entourage with him, but that entourage was— they're all creating content. They're all creating— literally, I was watching a guy write down the notes for all of his own videos that they were gonna make out of this interview on the show. And I think it also comes down to the people around you as well. If you've got people that are— yes, they're here to protect you and all that sort of stuff and stop, you know, whatever— but he had no rules. He was— he would meet everyone, had a selfie with everyone, all that sort of stuff. Where, you know, you sometimes, you got to tiptoe around a bit because everyone's a bit on edge and the hair and makeup's done and, you know, don't want to muck up that shot and have we got the right lighting and stuff? But yeah, he was someone who conducted himself, I thought, really in it all. Everyone was important from reception to right up to the intern.

Tommy: Did you know him before? No, I never met him before.

Peter: I had followed his stuff and I was pretty excited to see him. But yeah, he's a guy who's just, you know, he's clearly done what he's done and done it really well and he's not stopping.

Tommy: So, I mean, it's good when you hear about people like this in these positions that are doing that.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, 100%. I think it also elevates us and what we want to do. Like, when you have an experience like that, you start to think, oh, look at the impact he had, but what could I be doing for people at a very micro level to do that same experience?

Peter: I think I got so much more out of him off air than what he delivered on air, and that was just that conduction of stuff. And that's, that's something we've always tried to do as a team, or in any of the shows that I've worked on as well, is give people that experience. Don't make it fake, but give them, like, well, make them welcome. I know you guys are mates with, like, Sam Cavanagh, and he taught me a lot about that sort of stuff as well. And I just think that that's one of the most important things to do because by the time they walk into that studio, you want that energy, you want that, you want the real person in the studio. You don't want the person who's just been, you know, annoyed or they're not happy about something or they've just had a shit experience in the previous interview. Make sure their experience coming into the studio is good, is really important.

Josh: Would you consider yourself a radio geek? Absolutely, yeah. So what are some of the radio shows around the world that you keep an eye on or that you enjoy?

Peter: Yeah, I'm obviously like, I love Stern. I think he's great, you know. I think he's always a guy that I think a lot of radio nerds are into. Yeah, I do him as well.

Tommy: Yeah, I think I'd classify Josh as the radio nerd out of the two of us. Yeah, but I just happen to be on the radio. Totally probably didn't deserve it. You should have been there.

Josh: Well, I think like Mr. 97, like, like one of the things that I feel that I I learned from, uh, listening to Howard Stern. So I only found out about Howard Stern October last year. Yeah. And I went really deep. Like, I had a SiriusXM radio in our rental car in the US and got onto the channel. I was like, what is this? Is this a podcast? Like, what is this? And before you know it, I've bought all the books and gone through all the history and things like that.

Tommy: Was that after we went to the States?

Josh: There was— yeah, that was when we were there. I was Gareth, it was when we went with and saw SiriusXM with Ben Harlem. He gave us a tour around the place.

Tommy: Ben Harlem SiriusXM tours. It's actually a proprietary limited— it's a tax write-off, ladies and gentlemen.

Josh: And so he showed us around. And I remember like I had just watched maybe a couple of celebrity interviews with Howard Stern. And then there was something that just drew me in with when Ben was giving us the tour and it's like, now over that way is Howard Stern and we can't see anything that Howard Stern's doing. And so before you know it, I got like a subscription to SiriusXM and used a VPN and would listen every single morning and would have the 24-hour station on. And the thing that I took from it was what I love about Howard Stern is as much about the characters and the producers as it is him. Yeah, yeah. And then I started to relate it back to what I love about Kyle and Jack as well, and having that ensemble cast and being able to— I feel like if you are talent, it takes a certain amount of pressure off when you have an ensemble team that can all be celebrated. And so on a given day, you know, Kyle or Jackie O, if they're tired, they can have the support of you guys to be creating that content.

Peter: 100%. Well, you're also— we're their only live audience. They can't see the people laughing along or joining them along in the cars. So we're lucky to have such a large team and some really funny characters. At the moment we've got Mayo, the guest booker, who's this little petite thing who just— the guys adore. She's got this really quiet voice. And Meek Mitch, who you can barely hear. And then you've got loud snappy Tom.

Josh: How did Mayo get her name, by the way?

Peter: Mayo, her name's Jamie, then we called her J-Mayo, and then it just landed in Mayo.

Josh: 97 nearly got called Mayo. Oh really? What was that for?

Tommy: Why did you get there?

Josh: We asked people to send in nicknames and for whatever reason someone— his brother said Mayo, but we're glad with 97, that works well.

Peter: But you're right, the ensemble cast is so— I mean, I think it's important anyway. Kyle and Jack might disagree, but no, I love, you know, everything you've got, like Coffee John, he's the in-house barista, but he's literally running up and down the stairs all the time. Brooklyn Ross in the newsroom as well. And I think Kyle and Jack can feel if we— well, we try not to pipe in all the time by any means, but if you feel like, yeah, I've got something to say, and that's what Kyle has always said to me, if you've got something to say, I'll turn the microphone on. Say it, don't, you know, and be honest, you know what I mean? And I reckon in the early years there was a couple of times where I tried to be a bit funny and a bit wacky. Yeah. And he called me out straight away. He's like, don't, don't, don't try and perform here, be honest. I'm like, okay. And then I did, and then I got myself in trouble later.

Josh: But nah, it was alright. And so what, so the Stern is obviously the, it's an obvious one. Yeah. What are some of the other ones?

Peter: I love, there's a lot of stream, like a lot of regional stations stream now. So I have a little listen there. I'm a big fan. I have to plug her. I'm a big fan of my sister's show as well.

Tommy: We're having her on for very soon.

Josh: Are you?

Peter: Yeah. Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah. She does breakfast for the Ace Radio Network based out of Warrnambool. And she's, she's, she's very similar to me in a sense of let's go, let's make it big. Let's make it, let's make it huge.

Josh: Were you and Kate both going up at the same time?

Peter: Like in regards to radio? No. So she's the, she would be, I'm 34. She's 36. She's just joined radio 2 years ago. And had found the bug about 4 or 5 years ago and did a couple of courses and, you know, had a bit of a dabble in that, bit of production, bit of copywriting, blah, blah, blah. And I always knew that she needed to be on air. And then the spot finally popped up and now she's doing it. And I think she's just, yeah, she's absolutely smashing it actually. Yeah.

Josh: And so the international side of things, when you are on a red carpet or you're doing a press junket or whatever it is, are there characters, I'm thinking of like Elvis Duran's show in New York. They've got the crazy character, I'm trying to think of his name, the bald dude. But do you get to befriend the international radio people?

Peter: A little bit, but I also see them as competition that I need to fight you on a red carpet. Not fight physically. They're the locals, so they're gonna know the local publicist. So as I said before, like the international ones, you've got to fight for your life to get the interview. Like you have You have to, yeah, they promise that they'll give you a great few minutes and you can have 5 questions and you just, you've got to read that other end of the carpet because that celeb's already running late. CBS has already taken up way too much time. They're like the Richard Wilkins and Angela Bishops. They get the good stuff, right? And then by the time they walk it down on those American carpets, they're just, you've got to read it. You've got one chance.

Tommy: This is it. Are you seeing on red carpets internet stuff stars getting spots, you know, next to where the radio people all were?

Peter: Is it? Yeah, there's a bit of that going on. I think at the Logies this year, I think they put a couple of Married at First Sight stars on doing sort of an online social media stuff. So they're, they're doing it. I haven't really looked hard enough to have an opinion on, you know, is it working?

Josh: But they're doing it for networks by the sound of it, like they're contractors or whatever versus I wonder if, yeah, there are YouTubers directly.

Peter: Yeah, I've seen a few YouTubers and stuff there as well. So I'm I mean, look, and I suppose it's every publicity team that I've sort of worked with, well, they do have their own agenda. They get that, you know, if you're working, if KISS is coming down, great, you're gonna hit a huge audience straight away. And they don't just happen. They might be dealing with a big US company or whatever it is. And you have to work hard just to ensure that your spot's there because from my opinion, the further down, the less you're gonna get at the end of the day.

Josh: Has junkets changed a lot in regards to the amount of cash that companies are spending on them?

Peter: Yeah, I reckon they've dropped back a little bit more, to be honest. And I don't think, and I can't speak for everyone, but they're not fun experiences. I think there's a lot of pressure on everyone for those junkets to nail. You know, time's tight. It's to a schedule. It's not your surroundings. Because we, I know Kyle and Jack, for example, literally when you've got that guest in the studio, it's a win for everyone. Yeah. You know, it's, and we, you know, Karl Jack, I don't think I've been to a junket for a while. We'd prefer a phoner over that, to be honest. We'll do a phone, you know, a phone call because the junket, it's tight. It's— you've got the publicist holding the, you know, the clock in your face, and it's— then they start wrapping up early so they can make up time, and those things sort of go on. But look, I think, you know, maybe for the right ones you can head along for, but they are— they're tough. That's probably the word.

Tommy: Yeah, to get a bit on a red carpet, you've got a few minutes, not even, sometimes sometimes not. How do you go in defining success before you do it so that you can walk away with that thing, that whatever you think success is?

Peter: Yeah, I don't care who you're wearing or anything like that.

Tommy: What I try and do— Mate, if you're asking—

Peter: Oh, thank you for the jumper, which is going on Gumtree after this, by the way. It'll be a one-off special. Can you guys sign it as well?

Tommy: Yeah, technically this is a single run. There will be no more runs. Yeah, we're not doing it.

Josh: Oh, okay, so today's our only chance. Okay, good.

Peter: Money later. Will you wear it to work or no?

Josh: Is that going to cause too much shit?

Peter: No, no, we'll give it a whirl. Yeah, I'll send you a photo and see how it goes down.

Tommy: Kyle, what's this bullshit?

Peter: What's this all about? Um, what's a win? Do you know what, the win can come in so many ways. Um, I, for me, I plan the carpet and then what's after the carpet and what after parties I can go to and what things we can get throughout the night. Um, just in case you don't get that So I'll also come up with, say, 3 plans. Is great, we get the most amazing interview in the world with that celeb and they were just fantastic. 2, it's a bit yally and hoo-ha and it was a bit tight and rough. Or 3, we completely missed it and absolutely stuffed up and I've wasted too much money of the company and wasted everything. They're the kind of 3 scenarios I work off. But as long as you're aiming for the first one and then the second one can be fun as well. And that's why I love like the Logies and things like that because you've got so many options.

Josh: I mean, so much of what you do is failing funny. It's But is there moments where you've had an experience, you thought it was shit, you thought there's nothing in it, and it's turned into some of the best content?

Peter: I didn't realise this. It was 2 years ago, it was the Thor movie. Now I still can't actually say his name. Taiki— New Zealand director Taiki Takahaki. Okay, this is where I went wrong on the carpet. It was a case of— it was just after the Radio Awards. I was hungover as hell. And Sonya, the EP now, was like, you've got to cover this carpet. Obviously there's a Hemsworth there, you need to do that, all that sort of stuff. Anyway, I start— this is where I started to feel the vibe. Okay, he's running late, you know, I don't know if we're even gonna get a chat here. And I was like, someone— I was still chatting with a few people next, they're like, oh, the director's pretty big. I was like, okay, I'll get a grab off the director, we can ask him about the Hemsworth so we can tie it in. And we're talking about a Hemsworth or whatever it was. Turns out, kind of pretty famous guy, Taiki Taika— something rather. Anyway, Anyway, super famous. Anyway, it just went horribly wrong where I just was like, "Oh hey, Tuggy, you're from New Zealand, hey," or something. I must have made an accent or something. I was like, "Oh sorry, that sounded racist." He was like, "No, no, no, no, that wasn't racist." I was like, "Oh sorry, I just got caught up in the moment." And I think I was still hungover as hell and I just kept saying things and got more and more awkward. And I just went, "Okay, just throw that audio out straight away." What I didn't realize, Sydney Confidential was there and overheard the entire thing. And then it was half a page in the paper the next day of the most disgraceful, disrespectful interview. With this well-respected— and I think I said, "Oh, this is your first feature film?" He's like, "No, it's my ninth." It was all those things that went wrong, right? And I just remember Sonya ringing me. She got into work about 4:30 and she was like, "Where's the audio from last night?" I was like, "Oh, there really isn't anything to play to." "Oh no, there is. Where is it? Where is it now?" And we got it out and it ended up just being one of those great breaks on air where it's all heads down going, "Oh my God, Father, this is happening." And you know what, I didn't identify that at the time. I was more just like, "Argh, there's nothing in that." Like, to be honest, it was all just silly, you know, a bit embarrassing. But I actually didn't identify it, whereas it's funny when other people do. Sometimes I'm going, "Is this even worth playing or not?" And you've got to ask other people sometimes. So, "Hey, listen to me, what do you think?" You know?

Tommy: And so because you didn't feel like it was anything, and then I'm sure at the moment when you're hearing about it, you're like, "Oh no." But then you're also getting validation that it's like, "We're all loving this, by the way." Yeah. But it's on you. New. Do you enjoy that? Yeah, it's funny.

Peter: Well, I know, I know, I've just justified the cab charge. Do you know what I mean?

Josh: Like, you know what I mean? That'll be the title of this episode: I've Justified the Cab Charge. If you've never worked in radio, it's a big thing. Are they cab charges? Oh yeah. What's the most ridiculous cab charge you've ever done?

Peter: No, I heard the Matty Johns story, the Matty Johns storey where he went, um, I've apparently got it and then parked at home, had nanny nap, left the cab out there, and then went back home, back into the city or something. It was like, I don't know, I don't know if it's true or not, but I want to find out one day. But yeah, it was like $1,000 or something like that apparently. But, um, we all know everyone's abused the cab charge systems in radio, right?

Tommy: A mate of mine got, uh, sacked, or the show finished, and so he still had a bunch of cab charges and he didn't have a job anymore. He got it, he accidentally flew to Avalon and then used the cab charge from Avalon Airport back into Melbourne, which is only about $150 or something.

Peter: Still, it's fair. I mean, it's a saving for you at the end of the day.

Josh: For a company you don't work for no longer.

Peter: Well, I heard another radio network, you know, Southern Cross, on stereo anyway, I heard that they've changed their cab charge policy now, so everyone has cards and they're locked off at 5 PM Friday night apparently, so until Monday 5 AM. It makes sense.

Josh: It does make sense, I suppose.

Peter: Not my place to get involved.

Josh: Getting names wrong, I'm horrendous at any celebrity names. Yeah. Was that something that you had to learn, or do you just love all this stuff?

Peter: Oh no, no, no, no, no, I couldn't, no, I literally, I'm the worst researcher. I don't, I don't, I feel, and I know it sounds like a cop-out, like look, I'll have a bit of a squeeze on the way.

Josh: So you know celebrities?

Peter: Like, so I know them to see them and stuff like that, but if it's— I'm not, I'm, this is not gonna help me in my work, but I don't, I feel like you can over-prep sometimes, and I know it sounds cliché, but sometimes you gotta feel the vibe. Yeah, you've just got to feel the vibe. Mabo. You really do, to be honest, because I just feel, I mean, you've got to know who they are and what they're here for, for sure, no worries. Serious about that. But I feel like that's what everyone else on the carpet is doing, is just going, oh, you recently said this in an interview, or you're, you know, we saw this on your Instagram. I don't know, you could— I try to feel what's happening in the room at the time and give my honest opinion about, like, you know, if you're at the Logies, like, what do you even know what a Logie is? Ask him that question, you know what I mean? Like, bring it back to Australia.

Tommy: I love it. It's, it's your point of difference. Because we had Dickie on the show, who— Dickie is the, the man of the red carpet that's been there forever and actually knows everybody.

Peter: Looks at me in disgust when he says that to us. He really does.

Josh: He really does. It must be brand damaging for him having you just say that.

Peter: Oh, he's putting in way too much effort. I'm not even an entertainment reporter. I just go out there and do a few there, here and there. But he's like, oh, there, Mr. Serious. Is he a good chat? I haven't heard it yet.

Josh: Yeah, that was great. He's great. Who have you ended up swapping numbers with? Like a celebrity who you've sort of become friends with?

Peter: Oh, none of them are friends with me, but I've always got their number. I do a little trick, and I've stopped doing it because Kyle and Jack spoke about it on the air at the end of the day, is what I do is I go, oh, let's get a selfie, let's get a selfie, and then we get a selfie and I go, oh, I'll just text it to you now. Yeah. And they go, oh, you just text it to yourself? And then they just text it, just put their own numbers into your phone and then text the phone, and then you save the phone number there. So then you've always got the number. It's a little sneaky little trick. That's great. Kelly Osbourne outsmarted me though. Oh really? When AirDrop first started, she was like, yeah, AirDrop it to me. I was like, Oh, what's that? Just text it to yourself. No, no, AirDrop.

Tommy: And so say you do have one of these numbers through that form of manipulation.

Peter: I know, oh my goodness. We'll speak about it on the show.

Tommy: Can you just call them? Like, what have you done? Where have you pushed the line in terms of having a number in your phone?

Josh: Can we call one now? I feel like this is just turning into a celebrity name dropping for me, to be honest. Oh, you should have heard the Dicky chat.

Peter: I feel better already, to be honest. I've had a rough night on the phone. Jackie and I, a couple years ago, I had some plumbing issues at my house and I said, "Can I stay at your house?" She said yes. We got on the Terps and we rang everyone in my phone and her phone. Everyone from Crazy John Home Loans to Bruce Jenner to Dr. Chris Brown. He was over in the jungle at the time. We rang everyone blind, recorded every single one of the callers, and the next morning we played all of Men on Air and we were disgraceful. It was awful. We literally just handed our phones over to one of the audio producers and said, "Whatever you think's there." It ended up being 30 minutes of audio. Really?

Josh: Actually disgusting. But disgustingly good?

Peter: Oh, amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. I just remember we were both just going into work going, this is— I think we've got a lot of apologies. We rang Gay Waterhouse and Jackie was clocking down the phone like a horse, you know, for no reason at all. She's like, hello? Hello? Like, let's just like— yes. So it's a dangerous place. I've tried to behave myself when it comes to not abusing it because to be honest, I need it. They're only giving it to me because I work on, you know, the show. So try not to abuse it. But, you know, You can use it when you want to use it.

Josh: It feels like radio has the reputation of having people with a lot of mental health challenges. Oh, I'm a mess. Yeah. And I mean, what's that experience been like for you over the years and how have you dealt with it in having such a public-facing job?

Peter: Yeah, definitely. And I think that goes back to my point before, when you're off your game, and I really think it's important to let the people around you you know, and that's not just to protect yourself, but you know, in case you muck up or you make a mistake. And I just think it is so important to really speak up about it because it's, you know, I've literally been going through it, fuck it, I've been going through it the last 2 weeks, to be honest. I've just broke up with my partner after a long relationship in the last couple of weeks, and it's been absolutely absolute hell. So I didn't realise how important it was to just talk to people and how important that is, because a week ago, worst headspace in my life. Made sure I told Colin. Colin and Jack were amazing about it, to be honest. And so I haven't been there literally the last couple weeks. I'm going— I can honestly say going through it now. Yeah. And speaking about it is important. Do you know what I mean? And I think I wasn't going to say it on air or anything like that because that just felt very fresh, and then I— it just sort of popped out just the other day, and I went, wow, wow, okay, that's happened. So that's the next stage, and that's the next stage. And that comes back to, I suppose, us being a very raw and honest show. So yeah, anyway, didn't mean to get so deep.

Josh: No, I think like Tommy and I always joke about all for content, like always be doing stuff for content. Has there been moments moments like that where it's like, uh, no, I don't want this. I don't want this to be content. Or being able to distinguish between, uh, so many radio shows, there's the banter and the play fighting, and how do you create rules so that when you're actually upset you can communicate that?

Peter: Yeah, and I think that happened the other week, to be honest, and that— and I did say, I said, look, I'm just not ready. I'm not ready to do it at the moment. You guys are good. Like, I just— I wanted you to know about— they absolutely respect it, but I was the one opened my trap by mistake, actually. Yeah, something popped up, went, oh, well, actually, I'm single now. So it just happened. But I think I— yeah, I just— I think, yes, there is rules in place, but I don't know if I have many myself. There's not much that's not open, so ask away. Yeah, like, really, there's not many secrets in the closet, to be honest, you know. And I thought that's most of the team and anyone who works on the show as well, because Honesty is this show.

Josh: Is there fun in Radical Honesty? We've had a whole episode where— Episode 14, Early Days, where we went really honest. Wild ride. And people still talk about the things that we spoke about in that episode. Have there been, you know, do you experience that where you go really hard with just being like, with something that might even embarrass you or that you internally internally feel ashamed about, but when you say it out loud, you start to feel freer?

Peter: Well, I feel like when you make a mistake, if you talk about it on the air, can't get in trouble for it anymore. It becomes content. Do you know what I mean? I know that's a bit of a cop-out, but yeah, there is exactly that. Like, it's— you do think about it and you— oh God, you know, I think face the music. And I've gone in times where I've— I'm trying to think of an example when I have tried to hide hide the mistake or whatever it is, but I learned the lesson. Get on the front foot of it straight away and it can be so much better because there's no point having something on your shoulders if you've stuffed up, if you've made a mistake or whatever it is. There's no point hanging on to it because it's only going to make— it's not going to do you any good. And by the time shit hits the fan down the track and you haven't told the people that you should have told, it's 10 times worse.

Josh: Oh yeah, absolutely. Future aspirations beyond radio, what is it? I can't do anything else but radio.

Peter: I love it. I mean, my backup plan— there's two things I wanted to do growing up. I'm a chef by trade, so I did my apprenticeship as a chef and I thought— Where did you work? I worked in Geelong at a place called the Empire Grill. And then what was your position?

Tommy: What were you doing?

Peter: Cooking? I was just an apprentice chef.

Tommy: Yeah. Yeah. Everything. Yeah.

Josh: You do like poach eggs really well? Oh yeah. Yeah.

Peter: So then I went on to a French restaurant, worked at Le Président on the waterfront there. And then down in Warrnambool at Pippi's by the Bay. But so I've done a lot of I've said, look, if radio of all falls out, I've got the ticket. I can go back to cheffing, but I really don't want to go back to cheffing at any stage soon. It's hard yakka, but it's very similar to radio. Yeah.

Josh: I mean, KISS are always at the forefront of change when it comes to content. And I remember when Kyle and Jack made the switch and how much of a big deal that was. And the studios are always, you know, top notch. Do you get a sense that Do you think that there's going to be a lot of change in the coming years to show formats or how it's distributed?

Peter: I don't think with Kyle and Jack, because I always think, like, I think back to that 5 and a half years ago when we launched that, that launch day was just one of the most incredible experiences. And I don't think it's just a standard radio station. It was the Kyle and Jackie O Show relaunching and it was absolutely awesome. Is it going to change? I still— the thing that'll change is out of Kyle and Jack, the best is yet to come. They haven't played the cards. They've just done what they've done and done it well. But they haven't— they've worked so hard, so hard. But the best is still yet to come. You can just see it. You can just see it seething out of them all the time, to be honest. And, you know, and I just think it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger for them.

Josh: That's so exciting. Yeah. Well, I think you're such a— as I said, the ensemble stuff is such a massive part of that show. And I think that every time I tune in and I hear a bit that you do, I see the value that you bring. How annoying for you to listen.

Tommy: That's great. You're exciting. You bring excitement to the show. And yeah, we love it. And we appreciate you coming on the show.

Peter: Is this wrapping up?

Josh: Yeah, this is the end. Is there anything else you want to say?

Peter: No, no, I've got nothing else.

Tommy: We can go into a half an hour of dialling people on your phone if you want. Do you want to make one call?

Peter: You can make one call if you want. You can— let's have a look. What's the line?

Tommy: What's the deal? Can you actually air them on radio? I think we have to say them on the radio.

Peter: I just don't know who we could call. I mean, we're here. You guys don't edit your podcast.

Tommy: In terms of radio station, what is the, the law around, say, you call Bruce Jenner?

Peter: Yeah, let's, uh, well, can you just hear it?

Tommy: Can you see it?

Peter: Yeah, well, he's from overseas, so let's have a look. Let's— who— throw me some— this is real. As I said, this has turned into a name-dropping thing.

Josh: No, this is This is great. We love it. We've got no names, so we want to associate with you. Fuck, you get a lot of missed calls.

Tommy: I know, because I had on aeroplane mode.

Peter: I don't know, who do you think? Should we try Sophie? She was on the show this morning. Sophie Monk? Let's do her. Oh, that'd be great. Let's see if she'll answer. She didn't answer any of my calls this morning, so she's got a new mobile number, but I reckon this one's a— Okay, great.

Josh: This is nice and close.

Peter: Hey, where are you? On the plane. Oh shit, sorry, I'm recording a podcast and they wanted me to name drop and call a celebrity.

Josh: Hi Sophie. Hi Sophie Monk, this is the Daily Talk Show. We're actually friends with Oscar Gordon. Uh, would love to have you on sometime. Enjoy your flight.

Peter: Thank you so much, appreciate it. You flying business class? How are you friends with Oscar? Are you really friends with Oscar?

Josh: Yeah, we've had him on the show. Yeah, he was, he was on the show. Yeah, you actually, you Oh, thank you. And we've got intern Pete now, so it's, uh, you believe they want to talk to me? Yeah. Okay, yeah, you better go. All right, thanks.

Peter: See you safe. Bye. Oh, sorry, I know that's the rule. Sorry, I'll call you later. All right, no worries. Love you. Okay, come on, we've all got heaps to tell. Okay, I'll let you catch the final queue back. Bye-bye. So yeah, you've got to be friends with all of them. Oh my God, she's gonna kill me later. Amazing.

Josh: Hey, thanks for having me on, guys. Yeah, and congratulations to too, by the way.

Tommy: How many shows is this? 463 or 464.

Peter: So not on a peak episode, but like a peak.

Josh: Anything beyond 100 feels like a peak episode.

Peter: Yeah, it's so good though. Like, I love the fact that what you guys are doing is, is all like to pump out a show every day is massive. I know, you know, locking in huge stars like myself and Richard Wilkins. I can't get— yeah, I've crossed the line there. But no, I just want to say huge congratulations. I know there's a lot of people watching you guys in the industry and it's pretty exciting. So thanks, dude. We're excited.

Josh: Where are we going next?

Peter: What's next?

Josh: I think it's, um, we just do it similar to what you said with Carl and Jack. It's just doing more of what we're doing. And we've got, like, we're giving ourselves 10 years. And so for us, it's about realising that good shows take a bunch of time, good characters take time to build, audiences take, you know, a decent time to come. So do you two disagree much?

Tommy: Yeah, but we're similar interests in a a lot of stuff. And yeah, we do, but I think that's— we're different people and that's why we have great conversation and have good banter just about shit.

Josh: Yeah. I think the podcast, like the whole show, we definitely have gotten closer in regards to what we want to do. And I think that that makes it easy too. Like we— there's no questioning that we want to do this for a long time.

Tommy: And it's awesome creating something from nothing. Like I've said that before in my life, but when you start doing it and it starts to slow, you know, you start to feel a momentum in something, it's like, holy shit, especially creative endeavors, right? What's here before this? Nothing. We just weren't doing it. And so all it was, all it is, is doing it and then doing more of it and all the things in between and the journey that you're on. And that's what I love about your career and what you do. It's not just the soundbite, it's the storey around it. Totally. It's everything about it. So we're just on a journey.

Josh: Yeah. We're on a journey, we're kicking ass. It's a lifestyle thing too, right? Like if we didn't enjoy doing it, it'd be fucked. But that's what like some people say, oh, I wanna do a podcast, but I hate doing it. I hate doing it. So don't do it.

Tommy: Don't do it.

Peter: But is that the thing too where everyone says, I wanna, I'm just gonna start a pod. What's the one piece of advice? Like just do it or have a plan, a really strong plan.

Josh: Yeah, I mean the thing is it's like why? Like for us it's like, like we, we wanna do a podcast because we wanna connect with great people, we wanna create great work, we want something that we can put out every single day. And so the podcast is the overarching thing, but that's, if that's the reason, like what is a podcast? A podcast is literally just audio on an RSS feed that people can download. Like it's actually not that different to things like radio, it's only a slight shift. And so then the question becomes, yeah, what does it mean to have a podcast? Is it longer conversations? Is it because you want to explore a topic that's interesting to you? But yeah, definitely, I think you're right in the biggest barrier for people is that they don't start.

Peter: Apart from technically, I'm sure technology's changed, but has there— what's the change? What major changes have you made since you started?

Tommy: Hired this young bloke. Ah, he's Mr. 97. Yeah, Mr. 97. Yeah, we couldn't do do what we do now without the team, the three of us, because there's like all the, you know, Josh is very technical, so early days, you know, he's carrying that labour and then that's relieved in some respects from Mr. 97 and then he can go full, full-blown on that and then the content and still it's just, yeah, the team expands, our capabilities expand, our ceiling rises, so we feel like we can do more. And so yeah, so it's just an expanding, you know, ceiling constantly.

Peter: Do you watch who looks at your storeys and stuff like that?

Josh: A little bit. I mean, I think that it's a, um, it happens at the most random times because we're showing up every single day. Uh, we don't like— I think some of the advice you'd given us about like, I should definitely send that to a news outlet or something like that, and we are very underleveraged in that regard. And our strategy is keep going. And that strategy seems to serve us more than— we're not necessarily like, I know, like there'd be heaps of podcasters who are like, oh, who are— who's got Instagram accounts that are huge that we can then leverage? Whereas our first thought is, who do we want to talk to? Who are we interested in? And then if they've got an audience, great. If they don't, uh, no worries. And so because we've got a long portion of time that we're doing all of this, and we do some—

Tommy: we do a lot of them, so it's— yeah, it works out.

Josh: It's not like we're doing it once If you do it once a week, maybe you have to be more strategic. Yeah.

Tommy: Who's your favorite? Who's your favourite guest? Intern Pete.

Josh: Then second, Richard Wilkins. Yeah, what do you think?

Peter: I mean, it's hard to name names when you love them all.

Tommy: Seth Godin was a real accomplishment, I think, for both Josh and I. Josh, you know, set out to get him on and I set him the challenge, and it was something that we both look— he's someone we look to and love. Ben Fordham was awesome.

Peter: Oh, he's very annoying though, isn't he? He's very yally. Kyle always talks about, "It's Ben Fordham, how are you, Richard Wilkins?" You're yelling into the microphone. He's very annoying. He's always bugging me on a red carpet. Justin, sit down. You've got your own radio show.

Tommy: No, he's a good bloke. And some of the shows that Josh and I have done, you just feel really great after them. And some of them you don't feel great, but you feel relieved that you've talked about something and you've articulated the thought around something, you know, and it can— and yeah, it's cathartic. And I think maybe it's not the individual ones that are amazing. It's the, the pro—

Josh: all of it. It's a collective. It's a community thing as well, right? Like, what I think is awesome is it's, uh, when we had Dan Illic on and Brad Blanks finds out that we've got Dan Illic on, and then he sends us an email saying, hey, here's 3 storeys about Dan that I think you guys would love. And it's this community of everyone supporting everyone. Yeah. And I think that that's like, if the Daily Talk Show can be the dot connector to help that, to help celebrate. What other formats, what other opportunities can people hear you talking about this stuff? Because I think people are really interested.

Peter: Yeah, totally. And it sounds like you've always had the guests that are obviously, obviously they've seen who you guys are as well. So it's, you know, I just, I absolutely hats off to you. And as I said, there is, it's great watching, you know, people are watching you. As I said, when I was asking you about it, you know, are you checking who's seeing your stories? I know you don't get religious about or anything But it's, you guys are smashing it. Absolutely smashing it.

Josh: Awesome. Awesome. Thank you so much.

Peter: Sorry, tried to wrap me 10 minutes ago.

Josh: No, it's been good fun. My ass is numb. That's great. It's a good stretch. Good stretch. Congrats on all the park runners. Where are you staying?

Tommy: We're staying at the Overlow Hotel on Woolloomooloo. It's just over there.

Josh: Can you see it? It's beautiful. It's beautiful. They give you a free minibar. It's included. A loot bag with heaps of goodies.

Peter: Yeah, buffet brekkie.

Tommy: Continental. Great hotel. Yeah.

Josh: It's the Daily Talk Show. HiTheDailyTalkShow.com is the the email address if you want to send us an email. Pete is— is it Peter Depler on Instagram? Yes, Pete Depler. Pete Depler on Instagram. Some assholes took the Intern Pete one when I changed it just for an hour. Just for an hour. That's a whole nother story.

Peter: That's a whole thing.

Josh: That's part 2. If you enjoyed the show, feel free to review us on Apple Podcasts. Otherwise, we'll see you on Monday, guys.

Peter: See you guys.