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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 458 from actually studio the overflow hotel wall MMO yesterday, TV royalty tonight internet Rosie

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Tommy Hennessy. I bang called that.

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You don't like crowns you don't like.

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Like a fight with Joe Hildebrand.

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But he finished to 10. I just happened to be in the makeup room and he was like I said, all you finished it was 12 o'clock and he goes here, I just go home and do nothing now like, and I was like, I'm so used to hearing that from doing breakfast radio. You guys can all be internet celebrities. And I was like,

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Whoa, I mean, the funny

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thing is, it's a fair point. But for us, we say internet as not only the aspirational thing, but there's no nothing. low status or negative about you think kids thinking years ago, 30 years ago, I want to be a rock star. Now it's I want to be a

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YouTuber. Yeah, exactly. That's what they say. I remember living in Bondi, and we had a phone chat. And you had just, I hadn't even released a video yet. Do you remember us chatting. And it was amazing. Because you were talking about our, I've got this first. I've got this video in a release. But I want to make one before it. And we just had this great discussion about releasing a video or putting something out into the world essentially, is what we're talking about. Yeah. And you did it. And it fucking worked. And I remember you feeling not so great about it working at that point,

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I still feel weird about it

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feels like I'm fraudulent. Or if you know me, because I've worked so hard on my radio career, like I used to get in like, before, you know, like 330. And like when I first started, then obviously, I brought in five minutes before I was supposed to be. And then you know, I'd finished at like two o'clock in the afternoon. And then I would come back at five. And I just worked so hard on my craft radio and edit everything myself, I would do all the podcasting. And then I did this video that I didn't even edit. And I don't know, like, it kind of happened very naturally the digital stuff. Whereas I've really tried to work on my radio career, but I've always got way more success in even though I do have good radio. So it just feels a bit bizarre to me. I still am coming I actually still like I mean therapy because like I got on the stand or how to deal with what's going on. Because I was just like a normal person. And now people like scream at me in the street. And I'm still an old do you want?

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Is there some power in knowing that you can't control this shit, and that some things will work some work? So you just do the things you want to do? And then you'll be good.

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Yeah, I just like being myself professionally.

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So is there? Is there an issue that you feel like with the internet thing you want doing that?

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No, it just felt like, I don't know, I feel too old to be on the platform. I still feel a bit old to be on the platform, but it's not really relevant anymore. It just it's such a juggernaut. Like it just became this thing. And I guess it's weird because I just don't watch my videos back. I feel a disconnect from it.

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And so is it. The difference between video and audio then?

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Yeah, just my audio is such like, I feel like it's a craft, Digital's like whoops, um, well, I think accidental,

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then you could also say it's an accumulation of musical theatre background, your radio chops and then into this. And so it's like a combination of all of the skills you've been building throughout your life that is now where it's landed at.

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Yeah, like literally everything has led up to where I am now. Like happy. I don't mean to sound like I'm, like nihilistic. Yeah. I'm living my best life. I'm an active where I'm gonna tell me two men

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about eating cheese.

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Is it the guess? Right? Yeah, there's a focus. So it's like, okay, whatever I say,

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discipline, whereas there's no discipline for the internet. It's like, do whatever you want. Have you seen that guy who just like dances and talks at the same time? Because like, what are you doing? What do you want? It's super weird. Like my brother's really into and there's so many nations on the internet. Like there's no right or wrong. Not that this right or wrong and radio ad but it's more of a discipline than than social because we're still figuring out what that is.

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So is that an identity issue then is that saying okay, with when you're on the internet, the internet can be cat videos, or it could be people doing a seminar or whatever it is. And so where it's like radio, it's not like radio it's not really afraid. Where's the Internet has everything yeah,

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I am afraid on the internet. And I don't mind being that as long as I get paid.

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And so

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I mean, I'm not some money chaser by the way. I got like a because you know, you get paid on on Facebook now. Like you get monetization. Like, everyone's like, oh, he must buy cape some money. Now it's monetized. I made like $14 last week,

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what would you do with 14 bucks,

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I'm still not come through. Just waiting for the money to come to associate but tell you where there is money, YouTube, YouTube.

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Pre roll, made, roll and roll, whatever. All right,

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I've met these like teenagers who are like multi millionaire at VidCon. and stuff. Like it's unbelievable how much money I'm talking like 4050 grand a month. But

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is that narrative? that's just

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that's just monetization. That's not sponsorship. But is

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that narrative destructive to the industry? I guess because you hear the storeys of the people who are doing it

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only comes success only comes to those who are creating it for the right reasons. Making original content who I'm passionate about, because you're not going to make consistent content for years before you actually break through unless you're passionate about.

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So what were your reasons if the result, did you? Yeah,

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well, there was no reason like I didn't expect a result I just wanted to, well, I messaged Joe's Lund, when I was in Toowoomba, doing radio sending my presenting show real and I was like, Hey, what do you think of my presenting show real? And he was like, Can I call you and I was like, hated it. And then he he called me until number and I still remember the street I was on because I watched get away old. Like I was like, Oh my God. And he talked to me and he was like, Don't make presenting videos like you're not the best presenter. I think you're really good at being yourself. So just do two three minute videos of you just being yourself and put it on Facebook, see how it goes? And I was like, Okay, and then the best bit of advice he gave me was and keep going. And I'll say, Okay, first video, I put out 1.3 million views in 24 hours or less then what was the video is called the difference between 18 and 30. I was 29 just about to turn 30. I screenshot it and sent it to Jules and he was like, but I don't think he ever expected it to go like that mental. And he was like, keep going keep going. What do you got next? What do you got next? Oh, shit, shit. So I just kept going. And I've continued to keep going. And I guess it was I just wanted to be myself and be funny. And I love radio. But you work in a team and this I actually really like working in a team. But it means that your vision sometimes is amalgamated with somebody else's. And it's constantly a compromise, which is fine. But on digital, you are the director, you're the editor, you're the CEO. And I kind of liked that. And yeah, like I don't know, I still find it weird that people even watch my videos and turn up to my shows. I'm like, why, but cool. I do have massive imposter syndrome. Because when you create on the internet, people are uploading and people aren't, you know, like, and also don't read a lot of the comments, because I've had a lot of negative comments. So I sort of try and help myself psychologically with that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's bizarre. It's the weirdest thing but because you have no boss, there's no one there going great. Try this. And I don't read my analytics because I don't give a shit. I make stuff how I want to and how I feel as opposed to an analytical researcher. He goes, Oh, they like this type of video make more of those

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is definitely more intense landscape then something like radio in terms of the feedback you get visual thing, your statistics skyrocket or not. Yeah. And so then you can ride that wave, what from radio, it can you actually translate to the video stuff or, to them to the solo business or solo operator style

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is like video as our radio show it form. So it's like, you know, two and a half, three minutes, that's really catchy, it's punchy, punchy, it's engaging. And in radio, you know, when people come back for an ad break or a song, especially if you're in a competitive market, they've got a choice. So you've got to get them in that first 15 seconds. So I always put the most interesting part of my video, hopefully, the first five seconds, then put the headline go into it and make the cuts really hard and fast. And when you're editing audio for a package, that's generally what you do as well. But yes, short form content, which is why I really struggle because I'm trying to write long form at the moment, it's so difficult for me because radio and digital, and the writing that I do is all short form. But to try and elongate is very difficult because I just have no training in it. But that doesn't mean I won't do

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it. I love it just feels a muscle in a specific area. And so now it's just trying to work out a new new approach

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and also radios real relatable, like I I've always found that the most engaging content that I've done has been relatable on the air. So I'm like, Okay, how can I put that on digital, but also a lot of it, it sounds like I'm way more strategic than I am, I literally just turn the camera on and just try. And

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I think there's a curative strategic, which is the hard thing about radio shows and new ones. I mean, you've had a bunch where you go into a small town and it's obviously an audience already there. Just the locals. And then you have to work in want to cater to that audience. The unique thing is you've built an audience where you know how to cater to them, because you've been there throughout the growth period. But at the start, those conversations we have early on the conversations I've had with myself are Who the fuck is this? For? Who am I making this what you are, maybe I could make it for these kinds of people. But that doesn't exist yet.

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The weird thing is, and I don't know if you've come to this point, Tommy is like, I just go I make it, I make it full stop. And then hopefully it finds an audience. And I think that's like a good message for anyone who wants to work in social make it make content you like make content you consume, like I don't like saying that I love a lot of true crime. And I don't Michael what a true crime. I like a lot of storeys about murder and I don't make a lot of storeys about murder

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or you don't make murder. Kidding.

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Um, but like I love short form. That's how I like to consume content. So I write short form. My book was a basically short form, video and audio in a book form, because I know people have low attention spans. But yeah, like you just make it for you. It sounds narcissistic. And it'll find an audience. I think if you go the other way around, you're constantly searching for what other people want. Whereas if you just do you, you'll find an audience.

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I really think that I find the therapy stuff interesting because it's something that I've always grappled with. I feel like I should go see a psychologist.

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You should not.

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Like it's a good thing to do. Right? Like to be like, Can you share what going into a therapist for the first time? I feel like my instinct is to like say, Okay, this is what I want to talk about. I'm worried that okay, I've only got now. How do you how do you manage what you're going to talk about? with someone?

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Well, I've been seeing a psychologist instals 19. So like, I told you,

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thank you so much.

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Well, do you

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legitimately say

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I really

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like YouTube. That's generally my go to. Oh, okay. YouTube. Yeah.

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What do you watch? Netflix. What do you watch on Netflix?

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documentaries. Yes.

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Oh, he's a cool 19 year old so. Do you drink a lot?

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No, no, don't drink it. Oh, whoa.

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He's afraid. I was never saw.

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What else you want to ask Mr. 97? You were born in 90 days. I was born in 99. But he got into score of 97 a tower of 97. You like a genius? he's smarter than us. Yeah.

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What do you want to do when you grow up? grew up?

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Working with Tommy Josh is pretty good.

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Come on, be honest.

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Actually would actually.

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At the moment, I'm happy. I'm happy being behind the scenes at the moment.

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on TV. Now,

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I'd like to I like the new

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stuff. Yeah. You like the internet? Yeah.

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19 year old.

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Well, why don't you ask the Spotify question. What's,

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what's your latest? What's your latest song on Spotify that you play

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GY?

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Like, it sounds a bit like, Oh, I'm definitely got apps on my phone. Please.

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Do you actually need the date to get out their phone to check? Because it's very specific. You said? What was the last? I mean, I've never actually done that on it. Okay, so you

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had a couple guys? Yeah,

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yeah, but you should just go be free go be you you don't date just go patch people places.

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Drugs and play on the road. You know?

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You know, I'm all of a sudden, this is me.

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Old every time I see him on a red carpet, it was gonna be like, Hi, but

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I can't use the voice we all grew up with.

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Like, dad, like, a dad vibe.

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Yeah, it's very, very, super warm and like so loving to his kids. Yeah, the therapy thing. Just sorry. That's right. Interested? So you started going seeing a psychologist when you're 19.

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Every city I've moved to like I've lived in Baptist, Melbourne, Sydney, Newcastle, Griffith Toowoomba camera back to Sydney. I've seen a psychologist in all those places, I will like the first thing I'll do is move to a town then find a slack.

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what's the what's the quality of a psychologist that you look for?

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Oh, you just gotta collect, click click with them. Because I love I left plenty of them being like, you don't get it?

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Did I need to be a fan of you like, like, do you want them to? So be tough on you? Like, do you find that you connect with people when they say, you know, you need to stop worrying about this? Or is it more I need

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to go to therapy that don't talk like that.

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It probably needs to go to figure it out. Because if your curiosity is leading you down there. And also it sounds like you maybe suffer from anxiety just from like identifying it. Just like I think your mind runs and you leave a lot in your head. And that's it's a good thing. But it's also like a hot thing. And I identify that in myself. And yeah, like I can. I can hear you on a soul level.

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So then what's the catalyst at 19? To make the decision? Because if you're

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20 What am I 29? Yeah, yeah. So the thing is, like growing up growing up, it was one of those things like, I think there was a slight stigma, not to going to a psychologist wherever but I remember growing up and my mom said if you don't behave way going to the doctor and about your add, I was never diagnosed with a DD because that whole thing of like, in back of my mind, I was like, I think I'm an IDD kid. But if I like sort of just do it at home I'm going to be which is I think it's sort of a toxic way of of looking at it.

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It is it's also like what people had and what people knew at the time.

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Is that thinking the result of the stigma that we grew up with around mental health? Well, I think part of it is I fucking hate admin.

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I can't do anything with that, let alone like so part of it is it's like, the going and finding a psychologist multiple times, like you have like, that's a huge amount of

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adopt, yeah, say hey, like, I'm sad, or say whatever your symptoms are. And they say, hey, like, maybe you should see a psychiatrist or a psychologist. psychiatrists will give you drugs, and a cycle and it's a bit more in depth. So they can diagnose like, schizophrenia, or bipolar or whatever. I've had a lot of mental health in my life. No, not myself, but a lot of my family, good friends. Very, very intense psychological issues, mental health issues. And then, you know, you say, and then they give you the JP will refer you to a psychologist, and you get on a mental health plan, and you get 10 sessions for like, half the price. It's so good. And then if you don't like the person, you go back to your doctor and say, Can I say someone else?

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Yeah, sure. Like it's actually easy. Is it mechanisms though? You're making

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it hard. And you know, what I'm saying is the catalyst what is what when do you go fuck, it's the last resort. And how do you know?

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And that's the thing, right? It's like preventative asked my thing. I never used that purple fucking puffer. Is it because you had to brush your teeth after? Yeah.

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Yeah, I've got like a my gut message at the moment. And my theory is if I don't open it up, it's like an unread Instagram. They'll be like, Oh, just hasn't opened.

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But I mean, how are you with that mean? Terrible. That's why I'm a manager.

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Yeah, please do everything. And I'll just turn up.

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I mean, that's, that's why I think it's so interesting that someone who doesn't necessarily think they're good at admin, you've, you've been able to get over that hurdle for calling up and booking in appointments,

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will because you just have to know the alternative.

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Yeah. And then what,

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did you ever push back on it? Or no, you know, because it's been

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too successful for me to push back on. Yeah. And also, like, you work in the public eye, and people will comment on you, and people will hate you. And people, you know, it's too much to put on to your friends and family. Like if I felt like I had to take responsibility for my feelings, and then do something proactively about it. So I could live a better life instead of being inside my own head or being sad all the time. And I can't make my best content and I can't be my best self, if I'm sad. And that's it. And so I like this. You need to go down the rabbit hole and I know how that feels. Will you try and lift yourself back up? So I try and lift myself back up because I can't create there. And I love to create my meaning and Colin is to create I watch a lot of Oprah. Like I met this person the other day and didn't say like, how are you? I said, What's your calling and I was like,

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channel now is that? Because remember, oh, yeah, what's what's the channel? network? Okay, yeah, Dr. Network, I guess in it. Where did they grow out to like Fox tell her anything?

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Oprah Winfrey Network own burnin up? When do you create your best

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work? When I'm feeling it, not when I meant to do it will supposed to do it. Like if I'm sitting at home ago.

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I'm gonna write that thing. Like this morning. Maybe I was like, cuz I was writing.

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That's okay. So I got stuck in traffic, I probably should have given a bit more time. But yeah, I was riding and I was like, I'm writing the introduction to my book for the second book, and I was like, I'm just on this. And I woke up needing to, and that's when I need to, instead of half do is when I write they'll create my basketball from I'm going, Oh, that's a good idea, then I'll just film it. And that always goes the best.

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What's the feeling? You wake up? How do you know that you need to write?

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I don't know, I just the hand goes out for the laptop or Fine. Fine, I write a lot of my fine. And I read a lot of the toilet.

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Then make sense. So that approach, I think he's surprised

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that

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you could see it as an old creatives process.

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I'm like the old creative like I'm not like weird poet sort of vibe.

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But then radio. The one thing I didn't like about it is that now because I've got this with basically

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a radio show, but just with like a little less structure.

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Yeah, yeah, just cost small money. Yeah.

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But I think we should have called this the fortnightly talk.

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That's interesting. I think the one of the things they own one of the only points of difference that we have is that where dialogue

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which is which is similar to radio really isn't it.

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But then so the this method, which is show up daily, which I find cathartic in some respects, like I feel I'm sure I can get off my head, I get thoughts out of my brain, you know, sometimes they good, sometimes they bad. But that works for me, the radio approach for someone like you that, you know, you want to feel good, and then you will do your best work. But then you gotta show up. Did you better with that when you were actually full time in?

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Found it like work? And it was different? And the muscles they get when you're like in show mode? Yeah. And you're like, like punching it out creating it? Is it going to a different zone, especially when you collaborating? So I don't know, I found radio moment like, because you have to do it. Digital, you don't have to do? Like, that's my free time. Like some people go to the gym, and I just created content. Do you know to me, yeah, so like, I didn't have to do it. But with radio, I had to show up, I had to create, I had to be creative. And I get mad at myself, if I didn't do a different angle that day, or didn't do something challenging, or I didn't like surprise the audience or so I had a bunch of like personal KPIs in radio.

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Do Do you think the best came out of new in that scenario?

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Yeah. Because I'm not the, I mean, obviously, it's like, you know, but but you, you're in a controlled environment. And I don't know, the best part about radio is you can fit, you can be very present. Because when you're working with a really good team, everything goes like and you would love this like you your mind goes. And you're just present. And that's what I like about any sort of live medium, because I'm an anxious person. But when you're on the cameras on, the mics are on, it's live, and you're there. And it's real, and it's present, and it's excited. And I forget about every issue that I've ever had, I just get to live in the moment. And that's that flow state is what I chased and that's my like, but ya know, I think that I did create some of my best stuff because I had to. And that's also an interesting theory, could you

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take some of those structures and apply it to exactly what you're doing now?

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Yes, but I don't get paid consistently on social I don't get like.

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So it's maybe a few years early to the to the party. But surely, we're going to get to a point where it's like, this thing's big enough where it's like, you can have your team of five people and you build your studio. That's the equivalent of what a right but you create radio on your terms. Like surely that's where it will eventually go, don't you think?

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Like Lily saying, you know, the YouTube is really saying she's huge. She's got like a full team. She has like multiple channels 20 million sob like she's multi multi millionaire. She's living your best life, but also her contents really, really good. And she's really funny. And she's really awful take I really like her. I think she might be the best YouTube up on the platform.

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I've never seen a content what is

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us? Us? Yeah, she's really like, it's quite similar to mine, actually. But I actually found out about her after creating my own content. Like, this goes like really similar to me. Why didn't I just call her she

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wants all guys to find the interesting thing is I can be in separate parts of the world not being connected. But if you have your own similar experiences, all you're doing is connecting dots actually. And I guess that like some people are going to connect the same dots.

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Yeah. especially women like

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and so do you aspire to that what you're describing always

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really wanted like, I would like to follow maybe closely to like rebel Wilson's career path like she is such I worked with her and an audible ad. And she is such a dynamo. She was like, we were doing this thing where I was like, running was really funny. I'm treadmills like, this is ironic, because the only way you get me on a treadmill safe pay me. And she was. And she was talking to me doing the audible thing. And in between takes, she would like, lose all of her energy and just go back down to one which I really respected as like she's trying to save her energy. She's very smart. In the middle of doing the ad, she was also doing like, Studio 10. The Today Show, like interviews and then she come back like she was a fucking dynamite. But she also was like half directing. She was like, you know, when you come down here, do these when you do this. And I was like, That's so cool. And I know, she writes a lot of her own dialogue, in scripts. And she's someone who's like, famously herself, even though she's an actor, she's definitely a you know, like Amy Schumer, she plays herself. And I would love to have that platform. I'd love to do film and TV and long form and not necessarily be my own director. And other than that, I only did that out of necessity, boredom.

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So what is the energy to one look like? Would she retreat somewhere on her own?

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Just like just personally, she would just not be as performative. Like she just come down and just talk normal. And then when she's on his

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way to the you struggle to struggle to get down to the one do you feel

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I've never won? Yeah. And if I am, I'm like, in solace. Because I don't want people to see me at one because I'm boring and old. For

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me. It's something enjoyable about like having a team that's okay with you being at one. Like, I guess that's two years out

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of necessity. She was doing a 15 hour shoot day, she doesn't come down, but

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you're doing big fucking days. You're being in front of a lot of people. I remember like, she's

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in the middle of a court case. I don't know. She's like, on a different level. Like she was literally in the middle of a court case while filming this commercial. I was like your funding amazing. And she could compartmentalising really well.

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It's all relative, like I think about all like all the stuff just that way, say externally that that you're doing from you know, the live shows and the content and radio and the loop. Yeah. I mean, I

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guess pies me.

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Yeah. I mean, so. I mean, do you think that's a bit of a storey that that you're that she's somehow different to you in that way?

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Well, she's just made opportunities for her by being herself. So I say, I'm like, Oh, well, if she can do it, maybe I can do it.

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Well, I'd like to look at these scenarios and say, if you were plugged in to Reber Wilson's position right now, or if I was or any of us, we probably couldn't survive, because it's taken a years to build up resilience that you know, she's she's pushing the ceiling of her own capacity she is. And so what your capacity is now is huge. Compared to the 10 years. Yeah, four or five years ago. Yeah, just from a mental, okay, of being able to handle this stuff.

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And so much more now, because I therapy

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is a weekly thing

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is so interesting. Like, I just depends, like at the moment, it's like fortnightly, I don't know why. She's just like, what's wrong with you?

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Yeah, it's different for different reasons. And

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so is the good, the reason why it's successful. Is it more about outside, like, using mechanisms outside of those things? Like Did I say, Okay, well, when you're feeling this way, do y and Zed? Yeah.

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So what he's trying to say is, can you give me some tips? So yeah.

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I mean, this is this is part of my problem, like I love,

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like a self help and stuff. Right. So do you read a lot of self help? Yeah. So I've got like, 150 audio, audio,

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or what are you reading? Do you like the alchemist?

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Not it's like a frog. Or,

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you know, just all that sort of stuff

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like existentialists sort of

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now like, some of its like, super practical, okay, like productivity,

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sort of, like, all the paperwork that you've done downloading those books, you could have seen that it could have been really personalised to you and you could have been talking to someone really intimately. And

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this podcast is just me yelling.

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And I appreciate it.

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Watch it to him go to couples counselling. Yeah, she has a team, doesn't you? Oh, yeah. We just you know, it's a sort of a and get through some things. Oh, really? Well, not that this is 19 year old in the corner. He's taking notes. He does show notes.

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Can I tell you once I was working on a TV show, I was like it was called a bachelor unpacked. And it was like us unpacking the bachelor and the

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cameras in a box with our

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Yeah. And the cameraman fell asleep and was snoring so loud. We had to like wake him up because he was fucking the sound. And then the other day, I was doing the loop and I thought I was killing it. And I was like, killing it whenever to the sound D. And he was laughing and I was like, Yes. I'm like doing a really good job today. And I looked down and he was watching Netflix.

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I was big mouth.

29:52
What's the funny thing because people have thought that Mr. 97 he's on his phone. But he's taking notes. And so we're in this book, Lloyd space if someone could be watching one of your videos, or doing some you know, accounting work.

30:05
Yeah, it is weird, isn't it when you see someone on the phone, and it's hard when you like I work like I went to Pixar this year. I was like working but I was on my phone and you feel like people are like thinking that you just texting Whatever. I'm like, No, I'm editing. I was actually editing a video to send back to Pixar in Australia to get approved follows.

30:25
So yeah, like, I shouldn't do that too.

30:27
In a workplace.

30:28
Okay. What kinds what kind of work?

30:31
Well, what about if you're a desk job?

30:33
Yes. Okay. Yeah. Because you like, leave me alone. I'm trying to work. Yeah.

30:39
Really? Yeah. No, it keeps you focused.

30:42
But you think I think listening to podcast, there's people right now listening to us. And if you need work right now do an Insta storey straight show.

30:53
Like people will have a tab open? Are you a multitasker?

30:57
Yes. I have 100 tabs open at 100 times. Yeah.

30:59
I think the what's your desktop look like? How many things are on your desktop? Well,

31:06
metaphorically and physically,

31:08
I think it's a real insight into people's minds juice land. Yeah. Full tabs full.

31:14
Yeah. How's he doing? I guess what was the other day, but he was like, busy. And I was like, hey, and he's like,

31:20
Well, I think what he said from being on this show is he's on a train and it's gone through the tunnel. Yeah. And he has to just keep looking forward. Yeah. And it has to get and it's going faster and faster. And so he's built a world for himself.

31:33
Pretty amazing. So advanced, you know, was the first person he is trying you? Oh, yeah. It was for a one direction say de sade. Hey, like this is how long ago was and I got a $1 American note and I shouldn't have done this because the Lego but I wrote words a dolla, I changed the word to direction. And that was my poster think it's still in my Insta fate

31:53
is you know, 20 bucks. Is it illegal in Australia?

31:57
To face

31:58
to face American currency? Because maybe there's a loophole that maybe in Australia we can run on in America, we can burn

32:05
us dollars without getting in trouble.

32:12
Yeah, I think it's interesting saying when I was in bond at that same time, he just sort of launched we made the the, the pitch video for the platform, so it wasn't even created yet. I don't think he knew what he was in for. Yeah, but I don't think you knew what you were in for. Because how do you know that? It's gonna be like it was

32:33
he's, he thinks, really, he's very advanced in his thinking, don't you think?

32:39
He's, I mean, to give the advice, what she gave to you and what he gave to me, which was pick up a camera, you know, create not not just be a presenter, you know, do more than that. And, you know, have more in your toolkit, because she's changing, which was interesting for

32:52
the simplicity, as well, isn't there? It's like just doing is so much of the equation.

32:59
How do you know, if you don't do, it's starting to learn? So once you find your voice, the more you do it as well? What does that mean to you finding your voice?

33:08
And, well, I tried to do stand up when I was 2221 23. And I just couldn't find it couldn't figure out what I was trying to say and who I was, but the more I did content, the more I like refined and defined who I was just by trial and error. And now I do it and I know who I am and I know what I want to say and I know what my voices and I know what I stand for and what I don't stand for and knowing what you don't stand for is just as important as what you do stand for like I will never do an ad for coke. But don't drink Coke. Cocaine Absolutely.

33:39
business person behind that peddler is

33:45
Tommy, Tommy and I've spoken a lot about our perfect day what our perfect day would be. If you were to describe your perfect day in detail how would you describe it? You know what time you're waking up what doing? Where are you in the world of God creating? What do you Yeah,

34:04
well like Fiji because I like the water. I like water and nature because like it's good for anxiety. It's like the counter like I like before I ever do any sort of stand up I take my shoes off and like walking the earth sounds so hippy dippy. But it's just something that like grounds me and like helps me so I've this year I've chased nature like nothing else is super weird because it's not in my nature to chase nature but it helps me so I've been chasing it How did you discover that? psychologists

34:35
outside but have you tried equestrian psychology or anything?

34:41
That's generally for like people with a really intense format. I know that they do. Lady God, she was kidnapped and writes like that's more fun.

34:53
That sounds like information known from reading crime and watching crime things that you like

35:00
be a lawyer.

35:00
So the nature thing so do you actually like to have to be grass,

35:04
whatever. I love the water, water and like real like not not pools, but the ocean. It's like cleansing and like if you can have your head to the sky and your feet in the ground, that's when you're the most connected to the universe and you can connect

35:20
my calling.

35:23
But cheap

35:25
bit and suddenly not Oprah she's like God, but I shouldn't say that but it's like you can connect through both sides then you really connected to your soul and your heart and your stuff. And then you can create from a more real place instead of like being affected by the day and your mind and your thoughts. It's just like, the connection to the earth is like the best I know the realest place to start from because then life builds up on you and then you go into the water you can kind of symbolically wash it away. I don't know I like that idea. And it works for me.

35:57
And so if you're in the if you're in like the same a day Melbourne and you've got a show on barefoot downplay industry Yeah. What do you like?

36:05
From Walker? Yeah,

36:06
it define like, what is there a trying to like a park or whatever and say, Okay, this

36:12
No, I just do it before I go on. I can't do it. Yeah. Okay.

36:15
So you always need like a even just on this could be a good business idea. And a the earth map. Oh, that's good. And then it could be like, you can pick surfaces, like a rocky surface or a tub of water could literally be like a kitty litter but instead of putting killer

36:32
however, I think it like defeats the entire purpose.

36:38
About the business model. So

36:45
you go somewhere with water, there's real water. It's aware that it conditioning is quick to access a breakfast buffet. Obviously.

36:54
Sort of breakfast is like continental.

36:56
No. Sorry. You want everything yeah,

36:58
cooked?

37:00
I shouldn't continental Yeah, muffins. You need a breakfast buffet that also has like for no reason choc chip cookies. Yeah.

37:09
I love some of the real shitty hotels in the US I find that the shitty of the hotel the more likely they'll have free cookies where the higher end hotels Oh,

37:20
you're not getting a free cookie.

37:22
Get a free cookie. I remember I was like a gold member of Hilton. And they gave you a little like welcome back and had two fucking bottles of water. Wow, I was so upset like this is what I've been chasing. It was a nightmare. So anyway, at least

37:37
the many bands included

37:39
I know I've said it before it was like three hours I fell asleep and then had to get up and continue on a book tour. And I remember

37:44
the Lord tapping everything to

37:47
open the fridge to take

37:51
the loot bag though refill as well with Tim Tams so anyway so so for breakfast. Yeah, options.

38:01
Um, I like to read some I have a rate of some book

38:05
nonfiction or fiction.

38:06
Well, I love true crime. So I love nothing real. I just finished reading the stranger beside me, which is Ted Bundy. Case, written by enrol who was a true crime writer.

38:16
Did he die recently

38:17
recently? He was executed the IT

38:23
guy. They just

38:25
executed. Yeah.

38:29
Ivan Mullah is a fucking crazy man. Honestly, he like didn't fully kill people. He like, severed their neck and like just a little bit of them alive just so that like just so that I could like believe in pain. And you know, he because he's from Newcastle. He's our hometown killer. He's I think it was his nephew. His name was like Malcolm Milan, Milan, something like that. He went into a to be one of his friends into the place where his uncle was Vin Diesel he's killings and killed his friend with the hacks or whatever. Oh, no, seriously categorises that and he's a Joe as well. It's like

39:09
that storey get much attention. I feel like I haven't heard

39:11
I know it's I just love her crime. So I will like spend Yeah, so and a lot of time

39:16
last night was Milan at this point.

39:18
doesn't know. My aunt used to teach him French in jail. So lovely. And obviously and I that's the

39:24
Yeah, yeah.

39:26
Yeah, yeah. I like that. I think the thing that interests me about crime and true crime is that like sociopaths and psychopaths, it's all like, I just I'm so interested in the human experience like what makes someone want to do that to somebody and and how can they live with themselves after and they don't care? That's the thing. It's like how can even have zero empathy and I guess I have so much empathy that I just can't fathom it. So I'm so interested in to the storeys and one of my favourite things to Google is people's. What's a cold when they confess, they confess, and the way they confess is really interesting like the beta AK the way he confessed was like, well, I did this and then I did this and then I did this and he's like, Oh, wait, the judge says Oh, did you kill him at that point? He goes, No, sir. I waited till later and like he's very

40:13
Matter of fact, I get Dan is

40:18
unbelievable. Yeah, I'm just interested

40:20
Did you listen to Who the hell is Hamish? That podcast? No, that's great. Another con artist, but it's an interesting you know, by the time he then gets caught and how he like, you obviously confesses because he wants to get a lesser penalty or punishment, but called absolute ruthless just absolute scumbag.

40:39
Yeah. Have you watched the duck on the colour bomb the

40:43
delivery guy? I don't

40:46
know. Interesting name, but it was like

40:49
I showed the

40:53
normal reaction react like that. People who do these things, they don't react like that. And then they lie to the cops and it's like how Hey, I just genuinely don't understand like, I really want to interview a sociopath or a psychopath who's honest and knows about it in a self aware because you can interview them

41:09
by using the joke that like people big YouTubers, you know big personalities have these traits as well and

41:16
they say one in 25 associated paths.

41:19
But there is functioning sociopaths and psychopaths that don't act and kill people

41:24
that just have a podcast

41:28
so perfect day so your radio in crime. Yeah, non fiction. It's probably 11 night What time did you actually wake up? Do you think I couldn't tell you?

41:35
Whenever I feel like no alarm, miss the buffet.

41:44
And then I don't know.

41:45
The hotel.

41:47
I do live in a hotel. I travel so much drives me nuts. I'm a nerd. I go for a swim and hang out with my boyfriend who is like the world's biggest legend. And then maybe I do some riding in the afternoon if I felt like it. Only if I felt like it. Yeah. I don't know. I'd like to do something like challenges me not like skydiving, but something like makes you feel adrenaline. You're done before like, yeah, jet ski. And I said all Can I go on to the thingy? And she said No, you've got to be under 100 kilos. I was like, how dare you be so accurate.

42:28
Really the case? It's like hey, Miss black with the tramp legal. Would you remember that? Back in the day? He wanted to get under 100 sorry. He could go on a trampoline. Literally that Yeah. Wonder why that is

42:41
it was just made me laugh. I was like, well, that goes that

42:43
plan. So we're not they were not with that woman in the picture. Yeah,

42:48
so the

42:50
manta ray diving or something where you can like not I don't want to hurt them or anything but just like

42:56
CH is great to be scared of a shock which is bringing some adrenaline but there's not a shock because he still shocks and then it's you know, extreme nature.

43:11
Nature is a big part already. It seems.

43:14
It's like a new thing. I always used to be like, oh, animals No, but now my boo animals therapy. Bring them on.

43:18
Yeah, it's almost like there's a big movement into the retreat type space of like,

43:23
but so many people are like this. And it's because like, I believe the world is really hard. There's no distance between work and not work. Everyone's a workaholic. Everyone wants to get ahead. The internet's always on the TV's always on the phone's always on multiple technologies multiple times emails are always on you boss can always call you this is constant anxiety. And it's like, what can we connect to? That's real. And it's the one thing that's just born here is nature. And you can connect to that hopefully you can, like just remove some of that stress and anxiety and help you breathe literally because trees created oxygen. You don't I mean, a huge movement at the moment where people are putting trees and outdoor like things I guess like trees and plants and whatever into they work spaces because it actually increases people's ability to work and motivates them because it's oxygen and it's real. And it's life. And it's like, we're becoming so consumed with something fake. What's the best way to get back to rail and that is with real storeys.

44:17
It fucked up that they're setting them up in offices, like I'm always a little bit sceptical of places where it's like, we're going to give you lunch for free. We're going to put the plant seeds you don't have to fucking leave now. Now what daycare service? Yeah, kids. Yeah. Like, it seems like all those things. How bad like, we work in places that are a little bit shitty. But you can actually like, explore?

44:43
Is there a sense of being in nature also makes you realise? How fucking irrelevant we are to the rise, like, Oh my god, there's something outside of this the IPM what I think in all my bullshit, because the trees, thank you. I think

44:58
that's why the horse is so good. Yeah. If you can, like move a horse around or whatever, it's like

45:04
horse therapy. Well, get you there.

45:06
GFJ our amount of as he gets right into,

45:09
he was someone who was a very wealthy man lost it all, is very living in congruent Lee and drugs and alcohol. And it's found horses, which, you know, from the outside looks like an unusual thing. He's in love with it. They've helped him so much. Well, he's not a psychopath. I don't think, but I've been a therapy

45:31
for him, which is massively Yeah.

45:33
Have you got an animal?

45:34
now because I live in a really tiny unit. I don't wanna put animal through that should have

45:44
satisfied?

45:50
Well, you think about I grew up in a in a home. I grew up in a house with a backyard, and I got to have fires and I got to play with, you know, fucking flying fox. I'm just talking about privilege right now. But I'm thinking about my son, we've just moved to a bigger place. There is something about having that stuff. That's moving away if we choose to live in a place like Sydney, where it's most apartments around here unless you carry packet. Like, exactly. And so how do you then? I mean, this is the con This is combating that. Yeah, you know, reality living in an apartment, but also seeking out nature and yeah.

46:34
in Newcastle for a little bit and I went home after camera for you just under a year to go to finish my book and like to just be at home with my family. Because I've been in radio for like nine years I is travelling around the world, I'd be cool to go home. But I couldn't. Industry wasn't there and two hours commute. And then so you're in the car more than you listening to a podcast and then I was like, Oh my god, everyone's gonna kill me. Because when you listen to a lot of true crime, you start to think everyone one's a serial killer.

47:00
Yeah. Well, it definitely is framing something in your mind. Like it is. Like that type of content all the time. I can't do it because I

47:09
can see it consistently. It's just, you know, the storytelling is if people can tell a great storey. And, you know, sadly, they never end well. But, you know, survivors storeys are incredible, like any storey of resilience is incredible people who can come out of really shit situations and turn them around. Like that inspires the fuck.

47:27
Yeah, I mean, I watch suits and I think I'm a lawyer.

47:31
I watched Nashville and I was like, I'm a country music singer.

47:36
That's why I like a crash investigation. So sorry.

47:42
It Geez, I think I heard that click which is

47:47
which is wrong?

47:50
Any TV show and you like, this is me now. Like, I watch scrubs. And I was like, fuck, oh, my goodness, like imagined like scrubs would be like, but it's not like that at all. Yeah, like they're not doing dumb stuff. And like,

48:02
Yeah, what's been the video because you have delve into things like, you know, nurse and the fitness thing, the comparisons and what have you learned about one of those? It's been really surprising. Oh,

48:15
well, you know, the thing that I've learned most throughout my videos is that how like, I was in Dubai recently. And this woman who was like from Pakistan was like, I love you videos. Like I love the hairdressing one. And I was like, oh, wow, that is so unanimous. And I thought maybe I was when I first started making videos. I was like, I'm a quirky girl. I'm so different. And then I was like, Oh, I'm relatable. Damn, it was different. But like, that was really interesting. And I've been in the states and people like, I remember I was at the front of the Sofitel. And this woman drove up and I was on FaceTime to my boyfriend, and this chick was like, drunk as a skunk. Oh, Tanya, I watch your videos in your URL. Funny, I am an hour. So like, I get it. And I was like, Oh, my God, like, I thought that was Mr. Alien thing, or, because I think the thing I've learned is, the more you lean into a niche, which is what Jules told me to do. That's when people really deeply Connect. They're like, that's exactly what it's like to be a waitress that's exact like those. Those nuances are what make people really click Share.

49:16
What's the niche for you? Because you almost delve into different multiple nations. So what is it for you?

49:22
Well, I think being like an empath and understanding people and and I never want to make videos to like make fun of people, I do it in solidarity with them. So I think that coming from that place helps. But it's also like listening to people's storeys when I made a note, I'm like, Oh, great, you know, tell me something or you I don't know, I'm always wanting to get their information. And it sounds dumb. He their perspective, hot. Sounds weird. So I can convey that in a video so they can go That's me, that's my storey. Like, it's cool to tell someone's storey back to them. But I also like, make sure they're all like, all my scripts are like, read by in us read. Like, I'm actually they're quite detailed. And then I figure out I call a friend to go, Hey, if I said this, would this be a nursery thing? And they like, yes. And then this is another thing we think. And then I'll just delve deeper into it. And hope it's right as well, because I've heard a nurse broken windows. I don't know, like, it's a lot of my stuff is so intuitive, which is kind of scary, because it means I can't replicate it and, and whatever. But it also means that I'm being led by intuition and not by anything else, which is kind of cool. Because

50:23
what you're saying you Yes, and people

50:26
want this grand scheme. And like I did this interview for like the government on Monday, and then when I go talk about content, and I was like, I don't know, like, I just do me and hope it works. And that's literally it. And I don't have a grand plan. I never had a grand plan going into it. I'm just like a really, really lucky person who has managed to find what they love and, and does it every day. And I'm really fucking thankful because I've had a lot of noise in my life.

50:48
And I've worked really fucking hard.

50:50
Really hard. Yeah, but I've also had a lot of great people around me helping me to get where I am. And I'm just like, Lucky like I'm really happy and lucky because so not a lot of people get to do what they love every day I do

51:00
collaborating. you've just done some huge shows with Christian how how do you approach that as a someone who loves to create their own write their own besides just hey, yeah, so then you have to

51:14
do but we also like love each other so much. And he helped me make videos like he helped me edit and learn to edit. And so we both have such a mutual respect for each other and always have like we've always been sharing each other's videos since the beginning. And if you guys come see these see the show, you'll see why. It's not a jewel show it is but it isn't because we've lived in separate states so it's really hard to put together a jewel show. So first off is may 2 half CM, but we do some stuff as well together. But that's a surprise.

51:43
Insane that our shows are sold out so

51:49
I hope it gets built because it would be cool if they could put it on like a one night stand. Christian is such a good stand up. He's way better than me.

51:56
Oh, I saw behind the scenes that he took you performing and you just had the audience in hysterics? What's the feeling like when you're on stage, and people are bringing you that sort of energy?

52:11
Well, the imposter syndrome comes up. Why?

52:14
Why do you? I don't know what I'm doing at the moment.

52:19
Is it Can you not

52:21
have more than one thought at one time? But often it's like, okay, now I gotta keep them laughing. Shit. Yeah, like it's it's over intellectualise everything. I'm like

52:32
no one likes me This is that they're just waiting for Christian.

52:36
But yet in the moment, all of that comes in. Like when you have a sip of water on stage. It feels like fucking five years Island.

52:45
Because I'm a radio announcer my

52:46
closest bicycles bicycles place. So you snort while you drink.

52:52
Red Bull so quick. I booked

52:57
backpacks like a Camelback type of thing.

53:07
No, but I enjoy it. Like I love I love it. I love meeting people at the end as well. And But yeah, I feel so like undeserving. And that's why

53:18
we've got a lot of people who listen who are in all different parts of Australia and regional markets there. They have radio shows. They would be seeing your storey and connecting to so many bits and pieces. I'm guessing you probably have them reaching out to Yeah, a lot.

53:35
Yeah, but a lot of them are like I know you're really busy. And I'm like, Man, I wish I could give you more.

53:39
So what's the so is if this is an opportunity to write right back to them virtually through a podcast with some of those bits of wisdom or the things that you think that would really help them

53:52
for people in regional right. Yeah, keep going. standout make original content scalar yourself. Challenge self. Have a healthy fear of mediocrity, which I do.

54:07
And know your bosses. Yeah.

54:10
And asked for feedback constantly. And don't be afraid to pay yourself and be a pay a whole lot of people. You know, I don't want people to think you know about myself will say that, will you stay in cans for 15 years?

54:22
How can you be a PR? Or do you just like send emails to radio today? And

54:27
I wouldn't but

54:29
my favourite website? Um, I don't know, I think it's more like sending HX to people that you care about their opinion.

54:37
Not necessarily about getting things written about you. It's more like powering yourself what you're describing is getting content that

54:45
gets a reaction. Yeah, like when I was into one, but one of the best things I did was with my co announcer he was like, do we have to do this I was doing a because we were what's a cold? Not neither ocean landlocked we did the Iron Man challenge when the Iron Man was going on the Gold Coast. And it was men ironing. We literally had a workwear sponsor and I had to iron like a fitted shirt. You know, like pants cargo pants with all the pockets and then we had like a laundry person monitor it and give the the winner the prize. And it was just like, so ridiculous that it like made the news and the Gold Coast and Brisbane and just because it was like so different, but it was also really topical. So it's like how do you make really outstanding content that that you can use as payoff, but also like that makes you feel fulfilled that makes like I had to pay for the ions. I didn't give a shit I was like, I want to make good stuff and if I can afford it, it's not going to make my heart like I need to be fulfilled by creating and so if someone says all we can't have the budget, I'm like great, I'll do it myself.

55:48
What about the difference between speaking locally into the community versus trying to serve a bigger audience when you're in a regional

55:59
serving that audience because they landlocked they understand what it's like not

56:02
like you have to was that the first

56:05
thing called? Was it the first thing No, I thought the name sounded really funny. I did this thing where I patched my calling out stuff for charity in Griffith we called it patch the cash five if we got $5,000 we patch each other for I mean that's such a high tonight

56:30
and so we just kissed like lightly like on the cheek

56:32
because I was like in film it will go full time

56:37
rejection Am I going to be like not even

56:41
Yeah, we did sort of kiss kiss on the cheek it was I was going further

56:52
but yeah, no it was a ridiculous but like that was for the community that was for the local cancer charity and you know it's that's a way to take something local internet global. But yeah, quite like the one thing that radio has that no one else has is the local the local notice that word and the timeliness like you'll live get that news on the get that person on the air get you know domain and immediately. I love the past

57:17
for cash. I feel like 97 the cash.

57:21
bleach she's here. The shameless girls set him up with a few dates.

57:25
Oh, they great. I really liked those girls and stuff. And

57:28
so yeah, we I think there could be a path to cash in the 10 years that we're doing it

57:33
it's for charity. Mr. Nice.

57:35
Yeah. Would you see your head like take off? Yeah,

57:37
yes. It's a

57:40
look at Justin to play. Yeah, that's

57:42
great. He's hot.

57:44
Yeah, he is. Yeah, he can dance. Yeah. isn't a con but yeah.

57:49
With some commitment, you could dance.

57:52
Yeah, he's like, please stop talking.

57:56
What do you not good at?

57:58
Almost everything thing. I'm not I can't read an analogue clock, which is really embarrassing.

58:06
Like, you never know is that the small hand that fox with you

58:09
figure it out? I'm quite dyslexic.

58:12
Well, Tommy was saying the other day six. back six back. What was he saying? Six o'clock back like trying to turn around. Check your six

58:22
check. means

58:23
you're halfway around.

58:24
Yes. It's like behind you if you're checking six means

58:27
you turn around but it's it's an analogue clock reference which

58:33
check you six now. It's just watch your back.

58:35
Josh shaky six place.

58:38
That's a good one.

58:39
Tanya, thank you for coming to our hotel in Sydney.

58:43
I feel like I had so many things. I'm bad at

58:46
what of your name one other.

58:49
All. I'm really disorganised and I don't often wear as positive bra. And I'd never get my hair dyed when I meant to. I eat too much food. I'm very unfocused. I can't remember what I meant to be doing. So is

59:01
it has to finish what's your superpower?

59:04
I can connect with people. Like no one else. Love it. Awesome.

59:09
Tanya, thanks for coming on the show.

59:11
Thank you go see a therapist.

59:12
Maybe maybe

59:17
the content

59:19
can't be can't beat the content.

59:24
That is deflection. And when you go to see a therapist, they'll say Why do you keep deflecting

59:28
You promised a white yell at me like you

59:30
can't promise

59:32
they won't yell at you either. That will go to a fucking whole spawn just

59:36
thank you for coming in as you walk out, he can take whatever you want.

59:44
If you've enjoyed the show, review us on Apple podcasts and I mean you've sold out you like you

59:50
know I think there's some tickets for the last camera shot.

59:53
Okay. Perfect. Awesome. Alright, so now the talk show cinema guys. So you guys

59:57
see you tomorrow. I won't be there. Kidding. I got nothing else on but I just won't be here.

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I appreciate the honesty.