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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 419 and back by popular

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demand.

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Hello, boy.

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All the way from Sydney,

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you fly down just just for this end. Also catch up with Matt you make pop ups. Yes.

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It's been great to be here with you. NDM Yeah, testing

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Christmas my wife's only said to me recently and when I said popular demand I met my wife. She's calling the shots so she wanted you back on. Get Jeff back on she's been going through our back catalogue 114 Episode 114 a lots changed a lot. I've

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you know, wanted to get on Oprah. And I reckon it's as good as this this is next level then look at these blokes over there you got three

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team going on production upstairs Vegemite, it's just Game on.

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You want a bit of veggie mind I love it.

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Oh yeah. What's your What do you lie with it?

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I just on the boom perfect you're an animal

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and that's a good like it's actually like a weight loss technique potentially if you if I can get the

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if you need something to I might it's probably good for sodium loading it's predominantly just salt but what do you do? What is it now what I do with all that often is run out of bread but all of my big one is some Bergen soil and linseed peanut butter cheese Vegemite. Don't knock it to you have tried it for some

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all the cheese I can say you know that for me that goes well with the Vegemite but I haven't. I'm not sure I mean you just having a salt attack with salt and fats. It's it does really go.

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I mean, how bad is salt? Do you think?

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Look? Well, okay, so it's it's one of those things where dietitians will bang on about salt but someone's eating 5000 calories a dice. I maybe we want to drop that too, too. Yeah. Oh, maybe 1500 could be a good one. Give that a red colour go before we just just bash salt like that. You know?

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You think that many people overweight because they're adding too much salt? No.

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Yeah, it's like what we've said before it's for is not

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for it's not your problem, but it is not your problem.

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And this is a lot of the stuff I coach these days. It's been jaded, we've jumped straight into the the movie stuff but I was so obsessed with diet theory. The end of the day, it's not diet theory. People ask me all the time, or intermittent fasting is it good? Is this good? What about this? What Tito keto? What about keto? You if you're in radical concept, like stop what you're doing drop to sit down get a notepad. If you eat less energy than you burn. You lose weight. Yeah, that's it. You burn more energy than you eat. You're going to lose weight. But if you eat more energy than you burn, you're going to get fat.

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I mean, what's what's the most obvious what was that? Bang mother I have no something outside shots

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like that. It might be

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a mugging. Hopefully not. I'll check the cameras.

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But there was a

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TJ is currently checking the cameras. The what is the food that most people are eating? And they're not aware that it's the reason why they're putting on white?

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Well, I think if you asked me that 10 years ago, it talk about you just mentioned fruit like some people still think I'm trying to lose weight only the fruit salad and yoga, which is loaded with sugar. When you eat sugar, you crave sugar, so the more sugar your weight, you're going to want more so and a lot of people do have a sweet tooth so they have a bit they want more. But at the end of the day, I think what people are neglecting is their binge eating patterns. So they go on a diet, inverted commas, and they go to all day but then emotional triggers happen late at night, the danger zone as I call it, and between eight and 10pm they've eaten 1500 calories or more pack alone. So they rock up to the MPT and little Johnny says Oh, hello PM how's your diet are very very good. I don't know I'm not losing weight. But that it's the pack of the Tim Tams every night and the ice cream and but they're medicating with food. So as some people now are medicated with alcohol overweight people use food it's it's a band aid so until people can understand what they're doing, why they're doing it when they're doing it and have strategies around that. It doesn't matter whether it's Kato CSI, RO intermittent fasting. None of it works. Because the calorie surplus kicks in because of the bingeing.

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So you i think is over a year ago now that we had you on are sick as a dog to remember

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no man's got absolutely poleaxed that you did a whole workshop a weekend work around the slaves up

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my your

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the grocery have some I gotta repeat

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itself ZJSZJ he's gonna need to factor out but how much has changed in that year that we've seen on my tape so

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much. And look I was back then I was up you know on a good path. And definitely might adjustments I needed to in my life, but it's evolved and. And still then I was even with what I was doing with the jail at method it had to be bigger. It had to be more now and it doesn't now. Now it is what it is. And my life is what it is. And I love my life now. So everything I do now is about enjoying now. It's not a outcome focused. So they've had a big shift from I was always a lot of people, myself included was very outcome focused. And so I means to an end, nothing's a means to an end me I look. I'm not here to talk to you guys. Talk to you guys. Get on here and get new members it doesn't bog none of that interest me anymore. I do what I do. I try and be of service and I enjoy what I do. And my life just

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works. ambition, the word I feel like is you know, bashed into us. You need ambition. It's the way you get success and these are all buzzwords right because there's no definition

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of ambition right I guess if you look at that can be pretty negative.

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Yeah, what it sounds like he's the ambitions not there. Well, it's really good. My point that you bring up because I'm scratching my ear hole. Good bear with me. I'm good now. That'd be amazing. Like maybe light up the upstairs. That'd be incredible. I'll get my shirt off the whole experience

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GSB kind of focus

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now on that.

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But I so ambition yet because for me, and a lot of people they want to they want to feel successful. So I think success is a feeling it's not money in the bank. It's not businesses better feeling. And so when I get more, I call it the disease of more. When I get more, I'll be happy more. When I when I own my house. I'll be happy when I live on the water. I'll be happy they want It's a feeling so

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I moved to the suburbs, I'll be happy. That's the one thing I guess you'll feel facing at the moment. But I'm

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not unhappy. I just feel like like it will cater to something my child and have it like I think there's some realities that more space. A bunch of stuff that is not just in my head.

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Yeah, there is some practical elements to it. Right?

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Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Especially with a child and whatnot. But, you know, I live in a rented one bedroom apartment with my two little dogs, and I've never been happier. And there was a bloke who had the penthouse and the flash cars and all that that. never happy. Never content, never at peace. And now I've got that. And I drove a little Ohio and I was I owned I gets

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from the Maserati to the gate, my

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300 grand verse three grand, including GST,

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what's the service cost on that? Like, what's it

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like up the road, he did the whole thing for like 200 bucks and threw in a pink slip winning champion. He knew I was a battler he looked after me that like, there's a, I just don't have a desire. I'm not trying to impress anyone any more than that, I'll tell you what, it's a wonderful place to live and you do your best work there. Because you don't have agendas and ulterior motives, and you're not trying to climb a ladder and those sorts of things. So, ambition, it's an interesting word for me. I know what I'm good at and where I can serve best and what I need to do each day to be my best and that includes horses most days, you know, riding horses being around them, time with my little dogs, and otherwise, you can't pull from an empty cup. So what happens is everyone wants to build empires, I coach a lot of them CEOs and high level executives and and they've all got tonnes of dough and they say, Oh, I might look I just thought I'd give you a cool I'm good I'm good but quote unquote, I'm just a bit flat. Everyone's a bit flat. Because I got you got a hobby not what do you do outside of work? Nothing? How many days a week do you work seven? Well, okay, let's have maybe have a little look at that. Because somewhere along the line, this ambition in today's world title that takes about life. So they got work and no life dynamic work life balance is no life it's just bloody work the whole time. That was me for 15 years and I did sit was about to jump off the balcony. Like there's just nothing good day. And you got to get more and more and more and then when I get more than more miserable, because it like I thought that it fix me, but it didn't so I'm more miserable.

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And so what could the alternative be to horses? What are some of the other things that people could do that gives them that same?

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Well, I great question. I one of my first coaching questions Is that like, have you got a hobby now? Or will I want you to go away and ever think about what one could be? Some people paint some people garden? Some people fish

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is the rule you can't monetize it because I think that's what we end up hundred percent we want to monetize

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it.

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And that's a great point like fade income. Like social media just oh my lord, but you know, you gotta hustle get the side hustle via Chuck's talking about the side hustle and good on you I'm not chicane NM but my that lifestyle you can have it lucky go to do stuff with is you're not trying to make an urn. Yeah, you're not doing it for status. Look, if you bouncing up and down on social media 700 times a day. My good luck or couldn't've anything worse I went from the bloke who wanted to be seen every way I want to be saying fucking no way

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it seems like that's even changed or evolved in the last year.

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Because I found joy I hadn't found joy back then. To be honest. I was riding horses a little bit but not aids and I wasn't being like I most afternoons when I'm free I'm down at the stables I don't just ride my guy down in the afternoon and I exercise the horses. I wash them I rub them I feel like my kids and 20 of them and I know everything about each and every one which one's going to kick in but which is only one or two by the way what's their name nugget and Leticia I

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would have been a big birthday on August one

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massive my we had a beta Yeah, yeah, we went to the strippers.

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I'm just kidding. I'm really serious.

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Now but like I just that bond with the horses it's it's it's incredible, but I wasn't really that into it back then. So that's evolved and I've just had a lot more I don't I only do things now if I want to say no to it and heaps of stuff because it doesn't make me better I don't enjoy it or just do stuff I enjoy and I've learned you don't know a whole heap of dough to be really happy. I had a shitload of dough and I was unhappy so make money great and I'd like to make lots in time but for very very very different reasons mike tyson says he can't

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try and he can't box because it activates ego great yeah. And is it is it the same when like for you to get back to a place where you're earning as much cash as he had once you what was that business worth? 2040 40,000,001 point I mean to get back to that is there an aversion inside because you think it will activate

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was gonna get the jacket of

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the finger in the air?

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But do you think it's it will ignite the old Jeff for like a

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great question. The money won't the objects will so I'd never buy a super flash car again. I don't see any point.

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But rather I want to master it so one does love the power of them. I think in the last way you have

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are you I'm 30 yeah perfect night at 30 the best 42 not familiar I don't want to be saying I don't want to be noticed I'm happy to just chip away I don't aren't I hate all that stuff now? And you know my phone what's the time I can tell the time near the gold Rolex radar tip same time as I have 50 grand same time, like status status status step whatever you're chasing status symbols unless you're an absolute car lover great if you're a car lover get a get one of them but a lot of people do it for status and for me if I made lots of dough again. dog rescue 50 horses I'd ever thought of a risky farm and 50 horses out the back done and my dream now is all the horses that are the stables I'd love to home once I retire like that's awesome. They're the best but and like I don't I just don't crave the limelight and all that stuff anymore.

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And Josh and I talked about you know, the status playing the status game. And I think we are all within a level of a status game

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or the status game is happening whether we like it or not right and people are implying status they're constantly saying yay or nay based on status. Yeah,

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they are and and it's just an empty place. It's like a bottomless pit then you think you get more and you get that and he I'll give you an example. So let's not and i people got a Europe for holidays and they get Mike and a bit of dough and they rock up to the flesh Beach Club and they get the really good cabana and they can a good life and I've made it then they might rocks up and gets the better one and then they depressed status. Now one K's biggest news flash but no one gives a flying fuck. What car you drive where you live? How much do you got? No one gives a rat's ass? Where do I coach people they think you know, because I talked about buffer you gotta financial buffer. You can't come from a place of love if you can't pay the bills. If you lie in bed at night God can't pay the mortgage Holy shit. What am I going to do? How can you have love for people because you're scared It's fee so I say to people or will step one if you you know let's look at where you're at and have you got investment properties I got seven website we sell a couple and then fucking you go to sit down and not be shooting yourself. I can't go backwards. But let's look at that look. So going backwards the selling to investment properties that no one else knows if it's not monopoly within the hood, they're not on the table. Everyone's going to go to eat no one knows and no one K's that people are like having a shit life because they're scared because they won't flog something that doesn't make them like it just madness.

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Is it your perspective from being financially fucked? To then realise that these things don't matter.

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Because when you get to a place, I've got dough in the bank, my food on the table, the lights are on. Perfect, but you've got to get to a place if you're ever going to be happy. And I think happy is a big part of the goal. You gotta realise that it's perfect now, and that let's like dissect that it's perfect. Now, people watching or listening might be like, Oh, yeah, but there's no but have you got cancer? Are you gonna die? Can you pay the bills? It's perfect.

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We will Josh and I think about where we want to go to. And we say that maybe that's ambition we have dreams and vision

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like vision

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all these things that I think we've been primed to consider on our pursued. And I feel like we are happy you know, situation environment the people were around but we also want something different. We want to progress

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change the lens on cuz I want to say change the lens. Right? So you got two young lads there. They're like they're super focused. They've been looking at like, it's fucking awesome right now you got two lads here who believe what you do in what you do your work. That's fucking perfect. This is where people fuck it up. Like, oh, this is good back. Now. This is fucking awesome. Now, this is all you never go to that until you people realise that it's really fucking good. Now, you got people here in here that work for you with you alongside you. That's awesome. they've bought into what you do and collectively as a group, that's as good as it gets. It doesn't get better when there's 100 of them. It doesn't get better when a million people watch. That's the difference. And the irony of it is you get to that place, and you probably will have a million viewers but you don't need it and it's not better.

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actually feel better. Do you actually?

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What do we I mean,

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half a millimetre

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bullet few horses

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having having gratitude. Is that baked into your everyday practice?

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Yeah, absolutely. Bitly you got it when i wake up in the morning? Like what

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time do you wake up because we've seen you coffee shops.

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And I'm thinking what fucking coffee shops are open

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24 seven. With the Kings Cross lockout laws fact it is not open 24 seven. So that's thrown a spanner in the works. But I found a joint that opens at five. So I'm good. But I coach people live at 6am in a group video. So I've got to be up and on and prepped and ready to go. And it's part of and that makes me better because I get to serve that group first thing in the morning. So there's no I'm a bit flat today. So I have to have a ritual and a routine. And when I get up part of me in the morning first thing in the morning, my I know what you got? You got to be aware you got to know yourself. So I know I have to get up, brush my teeth, wash my face and get out the door before my head starts just spinning

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as long as that from out of bed to out the door.

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Maybe depends how much a form of flattery is but really might five minutes.

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Yeah, really Hey, Josh just got a new routine a bit before six. I think that's the key get out of your apartment. Because I think the apartments safe space, and you just get the comfortable getting some emails, I'll get some momentum there.

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The first part of the day is for planning and for thinking. And it's your time and you can't look if you wake up and you you wake up, lighten your sleeping, you're gone, you're going to be overwhelmed from the minute you're in overwhelmed and gone. But no, no problem solving, no creativity, nothing good came out of overwhelm. Look, step one, you got to get out of overwhelm. So I've got to get up, start my day, do the things that I need to do. And then everything flows, you got to be in flow, I say flow not force. Most people are forcing outcome. People start a business, we have to be here by that date. We don't have to have got this four step. I guess it's a technique, go deadline plan detach. So you have a goal with a deadline and a plan or a process. And then you got to detach from the outcome. Because what happens is we get an outcome and a not happening by that time and pockets. No goodness, you're shifting back back back and you hire the wrong people, you make desperate choices and you got to be more fluid. But your plan might not be the plan ultimately, and yet go deadline plan detach, and I say 90% process 10% outcome. So like the GPS in your car, you put the coordinates in. And then hopefully you look at the road, otherwise your fact and it tells everyone else because you going to crash because you're not looking at the outcome. That's the outcome the process is driving the car the outcome is the GPS and think about it if there's a crash on the bridge in that the GPS is is a crash and you go to go the long line it takes 20 minutes more, you know throwing your toys out of the court, you can go a different way. But in life, we haven't had our targets yet. And but you know, you get into the office and you got the sheets and this is fact and it's just a terrible way to live. And I guarantee you you actually won't achieve more because energetically it's all wrong. There is no gratitude so I get up I sit on the end of the bed and I just from maybe literally 30 seconds I just breathe and I just you know look at my little dogs legs up in the air William and Harry had good night going and little plug for them. They're the best. And then I get them up and and I just think this is it's it's easy for me to think that it's perfect because I'm safe and I'm loved and man, it's great. It's really fucking good where my life is, but it really nothing's changed commercially to when we

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spoke last. And so what is that feeling? When you're sitting at the end of the bed? Is it the same feeling that you get each day?

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It's just peace? I'm just at peace with life

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you wake up with peace? Or is that something that the pillow to the being up that you can get to that point now when I wake

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up I literally think I gotta do this. I gotta do this. So I catch myself. My head just guys. So I sit in the bed I breathe I think about that. brush the teeth wash the face out the door. And then 100 metres up the straight on good. It's not i'm not bad when the eyes open. But just like this is a bit of fear creeps in. fee. I don't know why a lot of people seem to do that when they wake up in the morning. It's like back. And then you just get going it you get moving and you sit have a coffee, do whatever you do in your routine. And then you just write it down what you got to pull the trigger unlock a lot of the executives that I coach, it's it's that once we get them into that they look, it's okay, it's good. They just didn't overwhelm so they spin they don't actually pull the trigger. They just catastrophizing what may or may not happen, but that's in your head. Because the only thing that's happening now is where you are like so it comes down to how effective you are where you are. Most people are not a fit. So everyone's busy. But are they effective? Are you at work? Or are you working? That made a massive difference, but you need hobbies and interests to be effective. Otherwise, you got nothing else to do most people stay at work, because you got nothing else to do. Yeah, I see it all the time. I got no life. I'll just stay here. I'm not doing anything. But I'll stay here because I'm lonely because you have not doing anything else. So when you get other stuff in your life, when you walk in the door, bang, when I work, I work like I do more in three hours. And I used to do in 10

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is there I mean, the sort of hustle the grind for a couple of years. I mean, could it be? I mean, it could be a belief, right that I think what we're creating, I feel like we've gone through a piece where we, it was lots of friction to even create what we're doing. We love what we do what we're doing. But it was also quite hard. And it's still there in some respects. But it's just different now. And we enjoy what we do. That's why we can show up. But I think I was thinking though maybe it's like, Look, we're so new to this. You could have a new business, he could have just started something where you need to work hard for a couple of years. To get it sure past a point Hmm, get that cash flow through the door. You know, so how do you reconcile what you say about the happiness the hobbies and having something other than work and having something that you need to put everything into Word one word? Well,

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couple of things. I would challenge that with what are now now I early on in your career new blogs a young Yeah, first 10 years, you gotta bust your ass. For sure. You gotta work hard. No, you can't just poke at it. Right? Sure. But I reckon on massive on energy. And if there's a fear around it, it's the wrong energy. So and what we all do, I definitely did it. We don't live within our means. So we want everything now. So we stretch ourselves financially so put us under a lot of pressure. And we we put too much pressure on new businesses to deliver too soon because we needed the bigger house but really do we like I don't know maybe we do but I've got one better and I'm happy as a pig in shit. So it's it's you know, it's only me and the dogs but you don't need as much as you think you do. So you got to have financial buffer. That's really important. You know, that comes down to comparison and getting comparison is the thief of joy. Right? So we're all Fred's going Fred's killing it No I'm shit and

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it looked like there was someone

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engaging neighbours Yeah.

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This is the thing so the the grass is greener and well the fact and grass is green if you water it you gotta water your grass like my life is good because I water my grass but most people they lay the grass look over the fence and there's Dave not Fred and Dave's the grass it's killing it look at the grass and turns it died but was grass and nobody wanted it and you have more than yours because you're looking at is how yours dies. That's what people do. They don't focus on their own stuff. And I talk about 600 minutes let's say you work 10 hours a day. 600 minutes how effective are you for the 600 minutes? Most people not very if you're but if you are when you are on you are on you don't need to work as much. And then you got more time for hobbies and whatnot that no one is. Unless no one well, none of us stop studying string theory and guy he's, he's easy.

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Well, I tried to pick some

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genius in the room, folks. Yeah,

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I tried.

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but not a lot. We take life a bit too seriously. I think like, you know, everyone in business, you know, ideas that change the world and fuck off. Come on, like really? Like, we need to just relax a little bit. He's a radical concept. I can be a good person and be kind that might actually change the world it might catch on. Like everyone, I'm going to start a business and it's going to change the world fucking relax your ego.

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It's organised August, which is an opportunity for us all to get our shit organised.

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I tried to pitch in action August

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is that off the back? I draw July. Yeah.

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Exactly. So organised August

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clean mindset out of dry July bang, what a momentum.

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What do you think is the most undelivered thing that people could do that they could organise that they're going to see? The best result from a happiness point of view? It's either

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coaching technique called the daily action scorecard, which is interesting cuz you got the daily talk show so Blimey down,

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and also it would have gone well with action August Well,

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I was pushing for action August over organised August because you can be organised to go to the gym, but you don't action action. Yeah, so we decided

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on organised and we have the Sonya crew, Ben Fordham, it's kind

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of taken off with a

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lot of people who have been supporting and now just to drop my massive

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nine side, daily action school card. So I say define yourself by your daily actions and integrity, not achievements, or past achievements. Because my coach a lot of real estate people and they live in in the past and what they've made and what they drive and what, forget it daily action. So what's a daily action scorecard? ZF, five to 10 things at the time you get up the time you go to bed, the things that you've got to do in your day daily, and you measure your performance on that, not what you've done in the past. That's about action taking and with integrity. You're always playing to an audience of one. So like, it's you know what the right thing to do is?

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Yeah, I mean, Jocko willing, discipline equals freedom.

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Absolutely. Yeah, man, he's great. He's up at fucking birds at 4am. Every day has watched, taking a few minutes to watch. I think we get the point.

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We get a champ. But

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very, very good. But, you know, it is that the discipline does create the freedom because you have to have a framework and you have to have high standards. It's not acceptable for me. Why couldn't sleep in if I try because I go to bed early. And I

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What time do you go to bed all night

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nine to 10 no one to 10 up at 430 good as gold because I don't drink or any of that stuff. or sleep like a baby.

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And so if you were to have something at 6am, for instance, like I think about like setting up my time and having all of these different sort of things dialled in, I then think about like my perfect day, which will be like walking into the office doing all these different things. But on a production day, on a shoot day, it might be different, where it's like I'm getting I'm like, I've got to be at the you know, shoot before the sun rises, right? So I might be there at 630 or whatever. I find that as I start to dial in my habits, that's what starting to rattle me now is thinking about our know, there's the certain days that I'm not going to be able to do all these checkboxes. How do you deal with that? Okay,

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so one of the other things I coach is intense presence. So you have to be intensely present with where you are. So right now I'm here. I'm not at the horses I'm not I'm here I'm here doing this with you. That's it. That's your reality. And the problem is that most people's realities a bit walk because they're not focusing on where they are multitasking is a myth, you got to do the one thing at a time, you're on a podcast, you do the podcast, you're walking the dog, you walk the dog look, you gotta do that thing. And that that that's that's closes overwhelmed. Like all the stuff that you're getting. So routines great, but you know, mines moves around a lot as well that that's fine. But you got to be where you are, start where you're staying be where you are being intensely present with what it is you're doing to the best of your ability right now. And then that will create a better next, he can't be like, rattled and then get a good result.

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So how do you prepare? I guess part of it is what I'm identifying anyways, like, the I was reading the GTD book, and they talk about creating, like using your brain for creating things rather than holding information with fucking terrible holding information. Yes. And so part of it is when I have a shoot the the couple of days leading up I'm thinking in my head of all the things I need to prepare for the shooting. Do you actually calendar eyes time, if you've got something big on? How do you make sure that that stuff is

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I've got a notepad that I carry around and I'll just in the morning I'll write a list and things to do for the day. Good Doc's, I've got a working list of things for the week. So you can have that shit in your head. Because we're not a note taking machine in our brain, you just got a dump, dump, dump that empty, empty it, and then get back to what you do.

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How many clients do you think a lot of their overwhelm is based on trying to hold on, it's all of it, it's all of

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it, it's all and then they're not doing any of it. Because they're in their head. Look, you've got to get out of your head. And you've just got to get that onto a page and do the next thing. You can only do one thing at a time do it well next, next next and then that becomes a ritual and a habit and a standard and you get heaps more done and you just put the hall order through it as you go. And

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so if I said to you, Jeff, can you print out this thing when you get home or whatever? How do you take that information? So it's not in your head? what the next step be for you to make sure that gets done by a printer.

30:47
doesn't have one yeah, I'm gonna guess. But I do that not a quarter I lost the call.

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Even better I

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was gonna print it doesn't give you the

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amazing you want the court?

30:58
Probably can't take on apply. I

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know you'll

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be Oh yeah, I guess cuz it's like, what

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about old laptop? Yeah.

31:07
You can maybe bring it on the plane. But I not the whole. Damn, I just wrote a list. And where is he running into it? Like what he's

31:15
on? Hey, hey, so I've got the Google Docs and manage his bank or notice it's in it's still not ideal, but it's notes. Or it's Google Docs, or it's on in the notepad and I just noticed a few times a week just go back through it or Boom, boom, boom,

31:28
so what so that's your lifestyle there? What was the Jeff row when there's 100 staff members and you're flying? You're making millions of dollars selling I can protein bars and shakes and what are you doing? What's that look like? What's that?

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Was was nothing It was all over the shop. It was?

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Did you have like you would have had an A or something that was doing

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so she'd come in and we'd map out the day but I remember when you told me that

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you didn't know how to pay your phone bill because you'd literally had someone paying shit for you for so long.

31:58
I didn't remember Nicole's one done that I thought I'd check it out Emily

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what's happened

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people doing JR and

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everyone doing everything for me and you miss out on the good stuff. Lucky that's life. Yeah, like people think they're bit above doing the basics like life is the basics you miss out on the good stuff. And because it too important. Now ones too important. No one's better than anyone. I'd much to be honest. I'd much rather that talk to the Uber driver than most CEOs because they fucking egomaniacs. That's the reality man they got this barrier and because I've got some credibility

32:38
is it a Moscow many having front

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a company now it's it's a mask for themselves because there's generally a lot of other stuff going on that they haven't addressed and in their own lot and it's a feeling of less than and that they host their identity is their status, their identities, their their title? And my it's an place to live Do you think if we send Jeff row back in our time machine that we have upstairs to the to the body dream days? And you know what, you know, now after losing it all and being unhappy, you reckon you could create something great direction you could make it work within that company? I wouldn't want to be if you had to

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like it the what you know now

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what is the reason for you not wanting to what was 100 staff I

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wouldn't want all that might anymore might know why I'd rather cut myself like I might just die more or less don't want that. I just it's a I'm good friends with quite a few really big CEOs and like that a few of them have said to me lately might and they're in their 50s and 60s with public companies and they like my you know, sometimes it can feel like a prison because you got hundreds of staff and it's it controls you if you're the chairman or the CEO it's it and a board and a public Luckily, it's a lot of risk right? Or I needed because I don't waste time on all that time a lot the freedom to do what I do. Well, I don't know because back then I'll get 100 stuff and alternate

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a $40 million

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case I couldn't give a fight who's doing it well, who do you know, personally that you might not even know him personally, but you you I mean you got to know him personally to really know if you're

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doing it well, the chairman of century 21 which is real estate. Charles Taibbi audited keynote for century 21 and cup a month or two ago but Hamilton Ireland for all their franchisees and I he's a great storey. So I'll rock up. Because the CEO, he I spoke at a thing and he was working there. He saw me speak and then he got headhunted to go to century 21. And anyway, a rock up and this gentleman comes up to me and he was in the got the the audio booth at the back the mixing booth for this event. And he rocks he walks up RGFG out it's made it's it's an honour. It's an honour. It's a lovely to meet you. And thank you for taking the time to come up and talk to us and my way out. I followed your career. And I said well, Thanks, Mike. That's really nice and but has you die and what's been happening and I'm thinking it's the sound guy. Because he's in the friggin you know, he's got the, you know, he's in the booth. Anyway, and he we had a nice little chat not that's really nice and blah, blah, blah. And they they called me up to do my talk. And that was the end of the conference and they said I will look that was amazing. Let's, let's just hear from our chairman one more time to close the conference of Buckingham. Sandow had to get on stage. And I thought how good is this bloke and I knew all I knew all the him and his success and he's in his mid 60s and he's like, huge, huge, huge success anyway. We spoke a lot that night and then I get on the plane to get back from Hamilton Island and it's the planes full with all these franchisees and whatnot. And I got on relatively last I was just waiting to get on I was doing a bit of work on Gaudin midway expected to get on and see him in st one I

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might not in spite of the fact that where is this bike road 20

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economy anyway not only that there's a seat next to him for me and He saved me a seat. I sat next to him all the way back we had a great chat and and he said Damn, I said to him I got to give you a pat on the back I said might I thought you'd be up the front and he goes man I'm not gonna sit up the front way more teams at the back fuck were just humble his bike so humble like he's worth a lot of money and he's just feet on the ground and he just leads by example he's in the trenches and he said my all those people in business they all work for me they're all they're all these staff on black NZ restaurant he owns a golf course that's more ERGM at the golf course that you know that yet but may they doing a good job I can sit up the front I'm thinking back that's leadership that's what it's all about. You know, most blogs I got the fuckin who blow on both hands. swinging the deck route one a one B one to see if I can look at me you beauty I've made it. My

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3d deal is flying one day to Sydney in a week's time so but

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but it wasn't my choice

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to the golf course.

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Now that that's in a guy who's that who does it will always franchisees at the conference and they're like I said earlier on so humble here and grounded and like a you have to be here otherwise Charles boots Yeah, he wants to import

37:46
what's been the someone who you have act like you've had your personal storey? But has there been someone that you've actually seen go through? Maybe not the same as you but I've gone from unhappy to really happy and you've actually been able to see the incremental changes from an external perspective.

38:06
Yeah, without giving myself a fucking backhanded plug look a lot of the people that I coach because they've got money, and now we're unhappy. And some of them that were struggling like I got a lady our coaching real estate and she was driving Uber's because she couldn't make it work and now she's shooting the lights out but she's got a hobby and she's she's not defined by what she does. And so she's got a lot more you're a lot more I guess fuel in the tank and a lot more peace and then she gets more listing sells more homes and I see people just do one it all the time with this stuff. But my coaching is not sales one I want its life one I want, like people think work and life and that they're not mutually exclusive. They hand in glove. And if people don't understand that, like a lot of people at the top into town, they married his boss, there's all this like, how can you possibly find peace and happiness? If this is busted? And you know, it's it's all or none? You got to work on all of it.

39:07
Three day deal and 97 we got a question for Jeff. I mean, he's got a lot of experience that he could.

39:16
Yeah, I mean, you. You spoke earlier in the in the show about identifying personal band aids, that people use an accent.

39:24
Thanks, can it just flown out to Australia to do a Justin Timberlake and his

39:34
Blondie and Nicole? Yeah.

39:39
That was good.

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trying them, they go on the lads.

39:43
No, I'm still on it. Justin Timberlake, so little, Brittany.

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But I'm,

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like, identifying personal band aids, like, I've been lucky enough that I've been able to identify bad days that I've used in my own life that I've used to suppress whatever I've been feeling at that point in time, whether it's like going down whatever path but for the people who maybe don't realise that they're using a band aid, or they're using something to suppress internal pain or pain that they're feeling from the outside? Like, how would you go about at least attempting to identify

40:21
Very good question or the right thing like the show side, or put them into categories like food, alcohol, drugs, gambling, other normal ones. And, really, it's a noise in your head, and in the head gets busy, and then you go to your drug of choice food, alcohol, drugs, gambling, to a Skype, a Skype project, the Skype project numb the numbing agents, external feel good medicating an internal pain, because you're not addressing really, this, the things that you need to the elephant in the room, like, there's areas of your life that just aren't aligned. And no, and now also it can be status and a feeling of not enough, and I've got to do more. And a lot of that stuff, I think, for me came from when I was a kid, and probably was never great at anything. So I thought, well, businesses, this is my chance to really be someone and so it just it started at a young age, if you food, alcohol, drugs, gambling, if you're drinking every day. My that's not that's not ideal, like my I just need a drink that's numbing, that that's that's escaping, or it's very common in Australia, especially like, I just need a drink. Well, that's probably not the long term fix. And I you know, breathing and, and really, we're learning how to be present. Without caving, you're heading like most people can't sit by themselves for more than two minutes, I'll have a panic attack.

41:45
And so if you get rid of the band aid, if you get rid of the alcohol, or whatever that sort of suppressing is, how do you then deal with the reality that's

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when the real pain starts because you normally use that thing for however many days and then all of a sudden, that's gone. So, you know, in II, they say you don't have a drinking problem, you got a living problem, right? That's really what's going on, you're just using the booze and people are using the food and whatnot. And that's when you got to realise that feelings are not facts. They're not facts that they deliver their feelings and you got to learn to sit with them, like I talked about feelings or thoughts are a bit like clouds in the sky, like you don't have to latch on and obsessed. They're just they can let it go. Then you have to grab everyone that comes into you. That's all I thought shit. Just let it go breathe in or Let it go Let it go and, and not be so attached to every feeling or thought that you have because that's what we tend to do. And that's fee based, pulling the band aid off

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alcohol, gambling, and what was the other drugs, games, alcohol, drugs and gambling you can stop and I'm not saying that the pain is not going to be bad but something like food you've got to wait and so it's like saying it's the artist stop taking drugs be just give a little bit hundred percent day to get through the day.

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My it's the hardest. It's the hardest because you do you have to wait. So I talked about the danger zone generally between eight and 10pm at night on the couch, bang that's when people are in the pantry. So you got to know your danger zone you got to know your triggers like we get triggered and then we drink triggered them a trigger then we drug so what do you Why are you getting triggered people places things like what what's triggering you and you got to have awareness around that and catch yourself before you bang. Because when you get triggered, it's almost like you're hypnotised the next minute, you're in a bottle of whiskey. Think fuck out of that happen or Tim Tams or ice cream or what it or whatever it is. It's awareness, you got to stay out in front of it. And just catch yourself and you feel that anxiety come over your wall. Brief. And you gotta you gotta get people to replace a bad habit with the good luck. You can't just rip out booze and sit there and twiddle your thumbs like that's very very freakin hard.

43:57
So then there's the very kind Band Aid which is the face you know, scrolling yet endless scrolling and maybe it's moving from the booze to spending hours another addiction

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these are all all the same, like are they all coming from the same place? And do they are they traded the same way? Or do you find that you're addicted to your phone?

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Now I'm pretty good because I've had to learn because I was so shocked at all of it that I had to pull out the plug put it back in and just reset or that the gift of desperation as they say it just completely reboot but yeah, that can be an addiction so for me I've got two little dogs May I you know I get home and the phone guys over there I look at it maybe once a week, you know half an hour before bed nets finished. And then he they apply with the dogs and we know that's life that's you know you walk the dogs at night I'll walk down Victoria Street and log back in a good my life. I've got these two little dogs I've been present with them. And I use this analogy with the dog that people hopefully will appreciate it. But call it put the stick down like anyone who's got dogs they go to the park they play with the steak and when it's time to go you put the stick down and for five seconds the dogs are like back you know they got the sheets they want the stick five seconds later. They you know what stick

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you don't let them keep the stick. I don't have a dog but

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if it's a real good stick

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No, no.

45:25
No. So once mean you're not doing it a national park, you can take the stick now.

45:29
Now it's a bit of a mess at home. But look, they got balls and whatnot. But my game bogged down in the granular aspects of the stigma. But what happens with you imagine if it was a human and and we were told to put the stick down, we'd be filthy, we'd be like I thought I got that stick, I got it off that other fucking dog punch down. Or he beat me. I got it. It's mine. And now this motherfucker was meant to be my mate my best friends taken my steak off me that I did sit nearly died to get saying you're filthy, you've got all this stuff going on, you get home, you're still stewing on it, you're dragging it in. Then the next day, heaven forbid if you go back down to that park, you want that stick with that stick, you need that stick so we can't drop things

46:13
with a storey. Right? It's a massive storey is

46:15
a storey and and we were dragging the past in the present moment. So every present moments not as good as it we got to be playful with where we are. But most people aren't playful with where they are they see it as a means to an end. Like whatever we do today is a means to an end to get there. No, it we're just here.

46:32
So how do we know what we should be focusing on in regards that like say if? If you're not unhappy about something at work? At what point do you say to the boss now I disagree and, and lean into that storey to hopefully get progress versus being more sort of

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detached?

46:51
Sure. So you've got to start as asked, Why do you disagree? Because a lot of the time it's there you go. Yeah. Because I don't want to be told what to do or on better than that. So you got to be aware, because that could very much be what it is. And that's what it was all the time for me.

47:04
So you go wherever good.

47:07
In my opinion, no, not to find peace. Now, people it gets you out of inertia, and in the momentum to do something. So maybe for a very short period of time, it might be better than nothing. But you can't live that way. Yeah,

47:20
because I don't think we would start it have started this podcast without ego. But it's not something we want to live off.

47:25
Right. My ego says bullshit fuck.

47:29
Look, it. I think it's everybody's going to have it and we still got it. But I catch myself

47:36
Do you need a go to think that you have something to say that people want to hear?

47:41
I think everyone's got something to say that people want to hear that. I honestly believe that I think everybody like without getting wider might. We've all you know, billions of years ago, the earth was the size of a planet expanded out love visit, connectedness went, No one has any more right to do more or be more like, this isn't a greatness in everybody. But it's unlocking that. And that comes definitely doesn't come out of ego, because that's comparison and looking at someone else's gotten a new field. And it's just a spiral. So I don't look at competitors. I don't have competitors, I just do what I do. And I do it my way. And I do it with it from a place of love and service and make my life works. That works the other way didn't work. So I'm happy rock and roll.

48:29
If you're a freelancer, and you're quoting on a job, and you try to work out what to charge, one of the times I guess there's ego involved, I'm worth this amount of money.

48:41
Which the ego can be helping your self worth. Yes, I'm so

48:44
I mean, you could use ego to be like, you know, no, I am worth this. Yeah. And then you you get that payment or you make it work. And so in some ways it can be it can serve you in getting that you know, payment from the client or whatever it is. So I wonder like, I guess how do you reframe that? How do you not how do you get the outcome that you want? without having to use ego to get there?

49:10
Sure. So I do quite a lot of speaking and if I really believe in the company and and what it's about and the people I'll do it for a discounted, right if I haven't got budget, and I won't and I know they probably do but they just heckling I don't even care. I don't give a fuck or artist I don't care anymore. And you know, sometimes people don't pay the bills. I don't care. Like it doesn't really it doesn't bug me Dan in that because then you're filthy on the world. In fact now and like I said,

49:35
so that's the buffer, I guess like when you have a buffer that event then allows you the luxury That's right, giving a fuck

49:42
Exactly. And you don't get caught up in it and you're already working out what your buffer is. Well, for me I want to have you know, I don't have huge living expenses but I want to have sort of 20 grand in the bank just you know to be filling safe.

49:57
sober over the year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, until you will be making a whack back in the day, which Yeah, 9%

50:05
Yeah, yeah, there's a bit of super fighting around somewhere.

50:11
But But really, it's just again, if I'm at heaps of money tomorrow and still drive the whole yonder gets because I don't know if it does the job perfectly local. The minute we start going on all be nice, new car be nice. Sure. If it doesn't add a buffer and you can easily afford it go for gold. Like I really think you don't if we if we're buying things on credit, you shouldn't be buying it luck is old school is that he's like it's such a so then what about that thought with business?

50:43
You know, venture capitalists investing millions, like look at all the companies that are worth billions of dollars, but are in debt.

50:51
Yeah. So my I don't know a lot of people who are in that world that have got any level of happiness. Don't just don't, I caught a few of them. My and it's never enough. And you know, hey, going off might it's going to get the still alive with the lawn and then we're going to be good for this and get it over the lawn. And then it's the next and the next and the next and then it's a fucking my, you never get that you're chasing rainbows. So and that society is just so conditioned to that, that it's matrix you people are just take it they can't see like, for me, you save and put a bit away for a rainy day. Like my mom said that to me when I was 18. And I'm thinking fuckin rainy day, I'll just buy an umbrella. But the rainy day if I can get an umbrella factory, you know, metaphorically and fucking forgot. My entrepreneurial brain work. Like those rules don't apply for me. That's old school. I'll just do this. And I'll borrow here to make their and don't know anyone who does that long term that finds any peace, happiness, joy. So peace, happiness, joy is right up there for me.

51:56
So if you're 30 years old, and rather than 20 times buffer, yeah, you know, 20 k the other way you've got some debt. I'm right here. How do you mean, how do you overcome? How do you overcome that? And how do you What's the first steps because I guess to your point, you're talking about, you know, being in the present. So there's an acknowledgement in what you need to do and then, you know, work your way through it. But how would you if people are listening right now? And they're in that situation? where they've got some debt? They know, they're actually saying, I know, I'd be happy. If I had that buffer. I know it like Jeff. That's exactly what all I want. What would you be saying to them? We

52:35
got to simplify your life. You just don't need as much as you think you do. Like Ivan. My it's funny, because I'll just look into my hands because they go to console I've been doing horses horses. My like,

52:49
Anastasia, was she fucking just

52:51
my daughter and even now it's like,

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I can take it off a saddle on this sheet. You just cut your hands and you feel George's hands

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soft is He's

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never done that, guys. That's incredible. Isn't it beautiful?

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I couldn't put my finger and you

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can get involved.

53:15
Especially

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simplify your life. Stop keeping up with the Joneses they're not happy either because they're keeping up with the Smiths not it's just the It's madness.

53:29
What is the fact where people spending money that they shouldn't be? Do you think my I

53:32
haven't bought new clothes for two years? And it's funny because undies yes socks undies are recognised. Because my I bought all these clothes back in the day I got that many shoes and friggin everything that I thought oh they should have went on when they're good. They were great New Balance shoes are amazing. They look very old but yeah, I just found them like a couple of months ago under the betterment they'll do thanks they great but I'm not trying to win a fashion contest he so they do the job they're comfortable. I'm not the only have a looks on the dress sense like it's just reality we get caught up in all the bullshit on it that much stuff. I've got probably 30 grand worth of friggin suits in my wardrobe because I have to have the top brands in the shoes and the this and the fact NL

54:18
like during the watches long around that

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they're all gone. If log them had to when I went it's up

54:24
my liquidators came in.

54:27
I didn't tighten the watches but I had to flog them to fucking pay the bills. Yeah, but they put keep

54:32
a roof over my head. Yeah, surprise you how much all the shit that you bought actually went down in value?

54:38
Well, the watches go up actually. So that's one good investment. Yeah, so they have 50 grand to buy one in the first place. Yeah, the watch is actually to go out but but that had a so I

54:49
so you need other people who need band aids to sell your band aids to as well. Yeah,

54:53
yeah. But that there's nothing wrong with but this time let it consume. Yeah, like I'm not done that there's nothing wrong with a nice car and I watch Don't get me wrong, but don't make it your identity. You're not your car, you're not your watch. you bother people think I'll get that Range Rover Sport fact, then I've made it that you haven't, you'll still be empty in a month, you'll feel empty. Because it's a fucking car. It's metal. It hasn't got a soul. It's not it just gets you around. It's got four fucking wheels and an engine like it's not. And you're going to realise as soon as you get that car back, everyone's got one of these. It's

55:24
not that good. To be depressed. We've been calling this something that we've coined in the office, the static carpet effect. And what the static carpet effect is, is we caught ourselves we got this new big hard drive system, right. And we've been storage has been a massive problem. And CH and Q nap came to the party and helped us and we got this brand new server that was lacking amazing Mickey Mouse. Yeah, exactly. And the thing was, as soon as as we're setting that up, I walked over to do something and I touched it and I got a little zap. And it was from the static in the carpet. Back we need to fix the carpet. It was funny that as you get the thing that you think, you know, there's always the fucking static carpet. There's always gonna be somebody to cut

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back I'm sorry, carry on Justin Timberlake. Right. So

56:18
sorry, Josh was a bit rough.

56:22
But again, that's what happens because you're going to get that whatever it is. And then you're going to ding it will scratch a rim. fuckin rim. puking at 500 fucking who put that gutter there, but you gotta you gotta fight while you're in that you just go to the next problem. The next problem the next and you see people all the time that a flying high and you get my ego and go to Mike Fuck, I know. It's tough. But, you know, I challenge anyone to find someone who lives that way. And they've just gone all optimising. And I'm blessed because they not gonna feel that they're going to be locked Fuck, it's hard and I deserve more.

56:56
So if someone's listened to RZGF who might be in a vicious young person, they sense that you've got a bleak outlook for people that are in that high performance space that is conducive to high stress, high anxiety, lots of responsibility.

57:19
But that's what they kind of think they want to be doing so just so I coach a lot of executives on high performance, but we do it through process not outcome okay. Right so I sit with board dice because I've done this like I I know it and and I and I help with strategy I drive strategy, I sit around tables, and I and I drive the strategy for their business big businesses to make these decisions to grow. But to that growth is good luck. We want to make money right? I'm not demonising that at all to make a fuck load set more animals save more horses more as

57:55
much as a horse cost. Or my

57:57
x rays horses get for free. Yeah, and up in the neck hurry my part you need a place for Hey, you need about $20 million fine but you know I work on that but the point is is that said I'm not I love the strategy place in building businesses and I love going into businesses actually because giving people might actually because most people don't know what the fuck their job is in a business and in the boss guys, this guy's got no fucking idea. Where's the job description? Haven't got one Well, you've got no fucking idea. How do you expect this boat to perform any level of competency if they know to cannibal no job description measured JD like you know, get the mirror out so I love doing that sort of stuff that I like. I like building the machine I like I like building businesses. But it doesn't make it's not your identity it doesn't define you it doesn't make you better than anyone else just because it says CO like so you just get rid of all that bullshit and you'll perform at a higher level process not outcome not people are looking at their revenue gamma gotta do more we're looking at your revenues not gonna make you do more it's like an overweight person wise themselves every day that does fuck all for weight loss, two steps on your pedometer on off and you going to cave your head because you haven't lost any weight. So you'll starve yourself and you get really hungry and you'll be engine you'll put on more weight because you're in the outcome not process it's a process. So people were taught goal setting but what's the process under the goal I coach golf pros now as well as a hobby at my golf club blog on on high performance I love I really what I am a high performance mindset coach to get people to perform at their best level. The byproduct is you makes more money the byproduct is you build a business. But that's that's it is a lead measure and a lag measured lead is process lag is the outcome that people leave in outcome. More money more this more that, you know, what's the process under the goal. We're not taught how vision boards rub my belly button and fucking manifest like Turn it up. People charged 30 grand to go to a manifestation course bullshit, like Turn it up? what's under the goal? What is the process under the gold? What is your daily action? They like how do you build a village one brick at a time. And you lay that break to the best of your ability repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, you get a wall, a house, a village. But we're just focused over here on the outcome that's just overwhelmed. When you focus on the result you get overwhelmed

1:00:09
Is it because the lag is actually easier to describe than the lead

1:00:14
and people don't understand how to do it that actually I had they don't teach this I don't teach this sort of process outcome focus. And everyone wants it yesterday. And by the way, nothing good happens fast. So you know, especially younger generations, you know, you guys and younger, I want to be the CEO yesterday well that would be the worst fucking thing you can ever do. Because you're not ready. Like it you know, it's five to 10 years and then think you got to put your head down and do it. We want it all to quit that was where I fucked up about 700 times I want it all too quick.

1:00:42
How do we prioritise How do we know whether we got to put the brick here or the brick there?

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Well, what you do is you work out what your end goal is in your reverse engineer it so it's sort of my it's it's where do I want to be? What is six Okay, what does success look like? What I know is that generally the answer or what is it? Can you define what success looks like now whenever can so that that's question one What are your measured success markers now Id that's number two where in five years time 10 years time now can change but now what does it look like? And then you work back from that? So business I coach a guy you know he's the number one real estate agent in Australia three years in a row number one I coach him like these guys are the best of the best of the best and they come to me because it's not fucking bullshit. I spoke at a conference and he rang me as I don't call people I'm calling you That was awesome because it's real I've been there I'm not a coach or I want to be a coach I lived it fuck that up build it did not and now I fell into coaching because I've actually done it right so with his business we working at where we want to go What does that look like to build our life not just the business so it doesn't have a stroke and die right so these these and then you guys this is what we're turning over now we want to do this how many chess pieces do we need? Because you can't just do it all yourself. So how many more you need another another assistant you need a head of operations you need all these things to build the machine so the people that he's got a revenue target and that I understand the machine you can't get the revenue without the machine

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What is your expenses look like? You know you talk about controlling that sort of stuff?

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might my my biggest expensive be horses? My bankruptcy starter kit horse horses, golf club membership. What else? My fact there's not much

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what do you do food wise? What do you

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got a mail service? What is it called? Food fitness.com that I Carlo send me the good stuff. They Melvin by coming to Melbourne. Well what is it called again? Or food for fitness. I'll hook you guys food for fitness.com that

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word for fitness. com

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Cavalia angry drunks

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like a high protein Yeah,

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that's really good. Yeah, these IO I'm not just giving them a platter he's actually really good and and he gives me my meals each week and I hate cooking so I do that and made out your order online and they rock up on a Sunday morning and and bang and it's not frozen rubbish it's really because he was a bodybuilder but he's family was in food and restaurants and whatnot so they've got he's got this fucking massive industrial kitchen where run away has a full blown kitchen and like 100 so fucking Charlie and the Chocolate Factory I went internet a look and there's like 100 people at the back and they've all got the same outfits on like one balloon but this time get up not aesthetically like

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somebody had a spray tan from the night before but fuckin bulbs or whatever be funny Jane water recently god bless him rest in peace but

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but yet so for me food nothing horses golf and my that's it I'm going to buy a new set of golf clubs the club's cost more than the car rock and roll like it's it's I just keep it mega lane mega mega and do I really need that not so you can live on a pretty you can live really lean and I used to spend probably 300 bucks a night on dinner my dad just because I read at Rockpool and china doll and although not every night, night he says probably spend three grand awake on dinner probably a few other spins there as well but we won't dig into them. Yeah, after dinner after dinner trade share dessert. gelato

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Yeah, exactly. But

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yeah, they'll still sweat what writing is this thing? family friendly is

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not fun.

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So what my horse is called candy and I are used to say you know a few years ago the only candies on easily Danna paul i that definitely didn't have offs and ate it so it's a very different lifestyle now and that other lifestyle where they slid down poles Let me tell you my there was no joy the end and I'm not an isolated case because a lot of high flying people in Sydney making big big money they might have had thousands not one or 2000s message me and no I coach them because they've got all the money in the world and they fucking depressed like this is not a theory this is real. If you chase that life you will be miserable I guarantee it down to the strippers once on your backs night very different but four nights a week not ideal like on you know you got to be realistic about this but but you know that lifestyle it's Wolf of Wall Street that was my life and really because you get consumed by it and then you think that you know you can do different rules apply and you can do whatever you want I can different rules don't apply not in the happiness equation is the human in yeah yeah. Absolutely in an empty very soul man you really really are Tommy made it and it's sad and I see it all the time blackberry chat to me back a couple of weeks ago my big time property developer and make 10 grand a week cocaine 10 grand a week just miserable my life and and if you think that you like in that the only problem that the really hard thing is people that are listening that aren't there. They can't relate because they liked the fact I'd love to try but if everybody who's tried ends up in the same place they can all be wrong is what I'm trying to say right no one who's there with 10 grand a coke up this not box every week and everything that goes with that is happy So how can you be you've just got to maybe you know success leaves clues

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are often assumes that they're going to be the exception.

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Yeah and I have a post seven sometimes on you know I talk about this and and you see people and they go I'm sure I'd be happy with lots of money like they just they it's just not going in it's just like I'm sure I'd be like you don't get it and I'm not judging because I didn't get it either. But you get a little bit of success and fame and status and one not profile and might I tell you what it's a it's a green monster But Daniel MacPherson OZ act as a good friend of mine and Dan we speak quite a bit he's in Croatia at the minute with these with the show that he does and and like Dan

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hassle is a total Yeah. And I Sally who was

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Yes, well, yeah and Dane heights like you know finally we've talked about this one I've interviewed him in my jail at method group and like fame and my height like for him it's it's a necessary evil, not an evil, but it's just a matter you guys different my guys with the job, but like he didn't get into it to have that. And a lot of people who have like Jim Carrey says, I wish everybody could have all the money in the world and be famous. And they realised That's not the thing. Yeah. So does Cameron Diaz damn at first and says that, like, none of that? Does it? It just doesn't do it? We think it does. Because we haven't had it and we look at these people at the logos or the Oscars, and we, my they're all in fucking rehab Two years later, maybe not the ladies, but definitely the Oscars are fucking probably maybe the ladies as well. Like, you got to do it for the right reasons. And Matthew McConaughey, he made awesome video where he talks about recently not he's Oscar speech, but he talks about how when he was early on in his career, he did movies to gain respect and recognition from his peers. That was why he was doing it. He didn't love making the movie. He did it for that. And he never really had the blockbusters. I'm not sure what happened. But somewhere along the line, he fell in love with the process of making the movie and being on set and loving the filmmaking. My Fast Forward Best Actor best this best boom shot the lights out when he stopped caring about the recognition and the respect and the outcome and he stayed in the process.

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Jeff, you're always a great reminder. And I guess that's a service that you're providing right? Like it Yeah, every time you come on here, I think it's a great perspective that we can all take even if it's just that small element. When you get getting up in the morning I know the choices that you're making.

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And that's the thing like you know, I say how can I serve not what can I get like that we need connexion we need purpose we need to be doing stuff like this in our way in our own world. Whether it's jumping on here or something in your own community look you got to be doing this this is that this is part of the human condition what we've got to be said being of service and a lot of people on the road to the top they just dismiss it.

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Definitely worth following Jeff on Instagram as well. We've posted the photo of us from today's episode, feel free to screen grab the airport will take a photo of you watching the video and put it up on Instagram storeys. Otherwise Justin

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Timberlake he's actually following me now JT.

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Perfect. It's a daily talk show was in America and say goodbye.