King Gronk Trevor Long's Big Surprise

Josh: The Daily Talk Show. It's a Daily Talk Show episode 414.

Tommy: It's weekend banter. Welcome guys, tap it in. And, uh, there, if you're watching this, you might just see this creep in a hoodie. That creep is Mr. 90.

Josh: He's not Trevor Long. We've got, we've got Trevor Long here in Sydney. Thank you for joining us, Trev.

Tommy: But we've also got Mr. 97, who on yesterday's show, he was getting his hair bleached, but you never saw the finished product because it takes like an hour and a half.

Josh: Yeah, there's a lot of cooking time involved. It's like a slow, slow cook recipe.

Tommy: So let's do a little reveal for the grogs.

Josh: All right. In 3, 2, 1, spin and reveal. How would you describe it, Trev? What are you seeing? Wow.

Trevor: I would describe that as, well, it feels Bieber-esque, but it's very, very, very blonde.

Tommy: Let's just get the first official comment from Mr. 97 on his own hair.

Mason: It's actually not too bad.

Tommy: He loves it.

Trevor: Yeah, he's gonna go for tips now.

Tommy: You should have seen, we walked out of that, um, hairdressing salon and he just said, I love this, this is actually, I mean, it's better than I thought.

Josh: That's what I mean, that's what you want. I'm glad.

Mason: Well, it's best case scenario.

Tommy: Well, you did have the best business, right? Yeah. Yeah, Rach was great. I think you got a little crush on her, don't you, mate? Yeah, well, she fucking nailed it.

Trevor: Yeah, she did.

Josh: All it takes.

Trevor: You get a number.

Josh: Yeah, it doesn't take much at all.

Tommy: The interactions with her though have to be paid because she charges a high price for her work on this. Scone, I'm proud of you, mate. You've put yourself out there and it's been a big week for you. You've been rattled and you've come out the other side a blonde. Are you having more fun?

Mason: Yeah, we'll see this weekend.

Tommy: We'll see tonight or tomorrow.

Josh: We'll see what happens. Trev, what's been going on, mate? What's happening?

Trevor: Oh, look, it's been a busy week. I actually was in Melbourne yesterday.

Tommy: Trev, it has been a thing that we've never met you in real life and you're our internet friend. We could have squashed that.

Trevor: You're a catfish.

Josh: 100% catfish.

Trevor: It crossed my mind very briefly, but see, I was doing a storey on— you've all heard of 5G— I was doing a storey on 5G, which would go to air, I think, on Monday. So tomorrow.

Tommy: What's 5G?

Trevor: Today's show. 5G is the next generation mobile network, Tommy. And I went to Brisbane, Melbourne, and Sydney to test it, and I just thought it'd be like, I just turn up, we just do some tests and, you know, be done. I don't do a lot of taped, like recorded storeys for television. I do live, you know, it's on and off and it's finished. Man, we took fucking forever. Like speed test after speed test, get that shot, get after that shot. And we were literally there for 5 hours and we just, it was just non-stop. So yeah, I didn't get away, I didn't get to do anything, and I was going to knock on the door but didn't happen.

Josh: Has it actually gone out yet, the taped bit that you did?

Trevor: No, it'll go to air tomorrow. The podcast was tomorrow, on Monday morning on the Today Show.

Tommy: Trev, we were filming with Barefoot Investor last week, no, this week. Yeah, Monday. Fuck, what a week. And this guy comes up to us because Nazeem Hussain, comedian, you watch Netflix?

Trevor: Yep, I know him.

Tommy: Yep, yep. Anyway, a guy came up to us and said, is this going to be on telly tonight? It's like people, punters, it's funny. I mean, it's just what you'd think. I get they're thinking right. You just see a camera and it could have something to do with TV.

Trevor: Well, I was doing a thing, I was doing a piece to camera outside Flinders Street Station in Melbourne because, you know, had to be iconically Melbourne so it looked like I actually went to Melbourne. And there was all these school kids at the church across the road, so we had buses. It was just constantly interrupted. And then we had, we had one big light because it was late afternoon, so we needed a bit of light and the amount of interruptions from the light, let alone like people coming by and they were taking selfies using our light. So I'd go, oh wow, awesome light, taking selfies in front of Flinders Street.

Josh: Using you as a reflector.

Trevor: Yeah, yeah, I was wearing a reflective jacket and then I had to do— I've never done voxies before. I've never done vox pops. And it's an art. They said we need to do some vox pops. And do you know what? It's not my thing, talking to people. So talking to random people with a microphone, very hard to get someone to agree to talk on a camera for a television programme about a boring subject like 5G.

Josh: What speeds are you getting on 5G? What were you getting in Melbourne?

Trevor: Look, I'm happy to break the, uh, break the storey briefly for you here, but, uh, in, in Sydney I got 1,033 megabits per second, so a gigabit. Yeah, download. In Melbourne I did get an 850-odd something, uh, but literally standing under the tower. So there's a, there's a couple of towers I know the location of now, which it's, it's hard, hard to spot, but over near the MCG I did one and it was was, yeah, 850. It's pretty good.

Tommy: Have you had a, um, a "F her in the pee"? Have you had that comment?

Trevor: What is—

Tommy: ah, you know, when people are going—

Josh: you're not talking about 5G?

Tommy: No, I'm talking like—

Trevor: no, sorry, get back on the box.

Josh: Yeah, have you had anyone— yeah, like doing— when you're doing live, anyone come behind and done anything that's—

Trevor: oh no, you know what, I've never— I, I don't, I don't do a lot of live in like in public places, I guess. So like next Next week in New York, I won't even do it there because we'll be in a stadium. But I've done New York City, like Times Square lives, and there's a bit of, you know, people yelling and stuff. But I've never had anyone, you know, hold up a sign or drop their dax or anything. So no, I've not had any major interruptions. That'd be good because it goes viral. Yeah, I'd take that.

Josh: I mean, did they give you a sense with the 5G— going back to the 5G— I'm sorry, Tommy doesn't understand.

Tommy: Most people are trying to work out what 5G means. Well, they haven't worked out what 3G meant either.

Josh: Yeah, well, what I'm curious about—

Trevor: but just, but on that, like, that's one of the things I say in the package is, do you know what, like, how many people have a problem with streaming even Netflix on your 4G phone? Like, it's not— there's no actual speed issues with 4G. There's none.

Josh: It's all—

Trevor: so why do we need faster speeds? Yeah, at the moment it's the bigger, bigger issue about complexity of the number of devices, connected homes, connected vehicles, and all that kind of stuff. It's very hard to justify 5G right now, to be honest, but it's fast, so who gives a shit?

Josh: But so if, if you are, you're under the tower doing it versus the reality of in 5 years' time and it's, you know, more people have it, is it going to be like any of these things where it's like, oh, peak time, it will go down to, you know, 100 megabits or something like that?

Trevor: I don't think it'll ever drop down to 100, but it will. So if you go one block away from a tower, it's almost half the speed. So that's 5G's biggest problem is it doesn't have the reach of 4G. But in a couple of years from now, the technology— like, it was only— they were only getting 400 like a few months ago. They've literally tweaked the network so much that it's now double that. So over the course of a couple of years, it will get even faster. And then when you put people on it, it'll, you know, compress a bit, but it'll still be super fast, like gigabit speeds in a couple of years. Don't worry.

Josh: What do you like when you come to Melbourne? What is something that you actually do like?

Tommy: Oh, you don't like us, so we're not leaving that list.

Trevor: It's not the weather, it's not the airport, it's not the distance of the airport to the city, it's not the coffee culture, it's not the bar culture. Look, it's a nice— you know what, architecture. You do nice buildings, do nice looking structures, you know, you put these stupid round things over freeways, you've got nice bridges, the buildings have all like the apartment buildings have been designed well. Sydney's very bland like that. Yeah, I'll give you architecture.

Tommy: We've got the matchstick as you come into Melbourne. One of my clients that I used to personal train, his architecture firm created that. So that was French fry.

Trevor: I'll pay that.

Tommy: It was pretty impressive. I mean, you do have the Harbour Bridge though, bro.

Trevor: Mate, we got the Opera House.

Tommy: You kidding?

Trevor: Yeah. You told me to find something I like about the joint.

Tommy: And you got the first Carl's Jr. Oh, really? Well, it was up on the North Shore. I went there, it was nice. Anyway, how's your marriage, Trev? You've been travelling a lot.

Trevor: You know, I've actually been home a bit, and I'm about to travel because this is, uh, this is—

Mason: we—

Trevor: it's seasonal, right? So we're about to have, uh, Samsung announce their, their big phone with the pen, the Note. So back on that, then we've got, uh, IFA, a big show in Berlin. That's early September. Um, and I'm always away for my daughter's birthday and Father's Day. So Father of the Year. This year though, I'm actually home for my daughter's birthday. She doesn't know, but I'm going to surprise her.

Tommy: Mate, she emails us, can you tell her to stop? She's going to hear this show.

Josh: The only way she gets to see dad is if she watches WWDC coverage.

Trevor: And then we've got Apple. So you're like, yes, August, September are bad times for my marriage. Or good times, depending on how you look at it.

Josh: You've been doing more videos on AFTM around food. Specifically, what I find interesting is the tomato sauce review.

Trevor: Yeah, yeah.

Josh: Coming from a guy who you admit you don't like tomatoes.

Trevor: Yes, I hate tomatoes.

Tommy: 3D Dylan, you have something in common.

Trevor: Yeah, I— in fact, while the producer that was with me for that Today Show shoot, um, was a bit blown away by my annoying eating habits, and she— while we're on the plane back to Sydney, I didn't get to sleep, she just asked me what foods I like. She wrote a list.

Josh: What is the food? What is the foods that you like? I'm actually curious.

Trevor: I'm not going to go through the full list now. You can.

Josh: Organised August, let's work out a specific Trev menu. I'd love a Trev menu.

Trevor: Just to be clear, the list is only 2 notes pages long. Okay. And that's of all the foods that I will eat.

Josh: Okay. Can you actually, can you read it out, please?

Trevor: Okay. Give us 10.

Josh: No, I want all of it. There's probably only 10, let's be honest.

Trevor: I'm sure she sent it to me. Um, well, because you're very— on your phone. Trevor's list of acceptable foods.

Josh: Okay, here we go. This is good.

Trevor: Cadbury Dairy Milk, Allen's Snakes, Minties. Uh, then we go into the other food group, meat. Steak, pork chops, lamb cutlets.

Josh: They have to be cooked well, I'm guessing?

Trevor: Uh, medium. Medium. Oh really?

Josh: Wow.

Trevor: Uh, any form of chicken, fried Roast barbecue. Yeah, I'm good with potatoes mashed, baked, or hot chips. Look, I'm good with broccoli, Brussels sprouts, carrots. If you want to make me salad, it must be iceberg lettuce, none of that other rubbish.

Tommy: Ranch dressing?

Trevor: No, no dressing. Zero dressing. Okay. I love bread but not rye or linseed. Margarine, not butter. Vegemite. Tomato sauce, not bloody, uh, nothing with chunks in it. That's just—

Josh: you hate chutney. You've got a real thing against chutney. Correct.

Trevor: It's just stupid. Why would you have it?

Josh: He's defending Melbourne. You know what, we don't— Melbourne doesn't need a guy who doesn't like chutney. I'll stay up here.

Trevor: It's an APO anyway. Uh, Dijon or English mustard. Uh, eggs, apples, bananas, fried rice, no prawns. White rice, brown rice, prawn chips. How good are prawn chips?

Josh: Okay, I think they're okay.

Tommy: Hang on, you don't like prawns but you like prawn chips?

Trevor: I don't like tomatoes but I like tomato sauce. Yeah, fucking with your head, Thomas.

Josh: Is there anything else there?

Trevor: Look, I mean, there is more things, you know, but it really gets into more specific things like lamingtons, beetroot, salt not pepper, salt not pepper. Meat lasagna, Weet-Bix, Corn Flakes, Cocoa Pops, Froot Loops, Nutri-Grain.

Josh: So you're going to be okay at a kid's party.

Trevor: As she wrote the list, she said, you know what, you're a fucking 10-year-old.

Josh: I mean, has it always been like this for you? Have you, like, where do you think it stems from?

Trevor: I believe I'm, and I'm yet to test this, and we will, this will be a video, I believe I'm a super taster. Wikipedia that, Mason. I'm a super taster. Yeah, what does it mean? Means I have too many taste buds. And so it's actually a condition.

Josh: It's a weird flex.

Trevor: I know, I was gonna say.

Josh: The ultimate weird flex.

Tommy: Trev, you've got a couple of kids. My son, I give him the bad bits of the avocado, the brown bits of the banana, because he doesn't know any difference. And my thinking is, this is— look how fucked up we are when we have so many opinions about so many things that we've just spoken to a 40-year-old bloke who's just reeled off the worst food pyramid on earth. It's back the front.

Josh: It's like the pyramid.

Trevor: But how do you, how do you, with kids, my kids are pretty, I think they're normal kids. They're picky about some things, but they eat most things they're given. But what you find with kids, so like, I remember my kids are 12, 8, and 7. So the younger they are in that middle range, like when Bodie gets a little bit older, he's going to start hating some things, but then they grow out of that. So Jackson, my oldest, will eat a lot more than the other two.

Tommy: Do you say you beat it out of them?

Josh: Is that what you do?

Trevor: Yeah, if you have to, right? They grow up, they grow out of it, and then I hope it gets easier. Jackson will eat pretty much most things, but he's a bit like me, like he won't have certain things. I'm the worst person to be at a dinner table because I can't force them to eat anything because they just look at me and go, well, you're not eating it.

Josh: So how are you with the temperature of food? Because my dad has a real issue with Every restaurant we go to, there's a guarantee that his meal is going to be cold. He's— I don't know what he's expecting.

Trevor: I would not be happy if I went to a restaurant that came out cold.

Josh: Well, I know, but I have a feeling that maybe he's just expecting some form of hate.

Tommy: It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. You start thinking, this is going to be a shit cold coffee and I'm going to fucking take it back.

Josh: Which is good because now that I've recognised that he actually does it every time, I actually preempt it and be like, I bet your meal is going to be cold. And then so it puts him in a position. Where if it's cold, he's gonna have to fucking sit there and eat it because otherwise he looks a bit like a baby.

Trevor: Yeah, but see, I really complain. Like, I— and this is— you're having fun with this, and I'm okay with that, but like, I will sit at a fucking table with, you know, people at a dinner. I go to a dinner with a tech company or something, and it only takes one— like, they bring out the entrée and they put it down in front of everyone. I just go, you know, I'm good, thanks, because there's no way— there's no entrée I'm going to eat unless they're bringing out party pies. So I'm waiting for the main because I look at the menu and there's going to be a steak there. I'm good. And it turns to me. It always turns to the fucking conversation about what I will or won't eat. Yeah, now I'm cool with that, but I got invited to an event. In fact, the PR person for this company, a major telco, texted me like 2 or 3 weeks before and said, we're going to have a thing, you're available this night, we really love you to come, it's with our execs. Yeah, yeah, that sounds awesome. And then I got the invite and it was to some like super fancy restaurant and it was a 12-course digger station. And I just wrote back and I said, listen, this is going to sound really crazy, but I can't come because I don't mind being essentially the focus of attention for one course when I'm not eating, but fucking 12 courses, none of which I'm going to eat, I'm out. They changed the menu.

Josh: Really? Alan's lollies for every single course.

Trevor: No, they called it Christmas in July instead, and I still didn't go. But anyway, it's a problem.

Josh: No, I appreciate it. I mean, I am I never really drank. Like, I would say, like, TJ, would it be fair to say that you've had more beverages than me this year? I know, but that's the interesting thing. So I never drank at all. Have you? I know that you're not a drinker.

Trevor: No, I'm not. So I didn't drink until I was 21. I went, I was living in Perth with a girl and wasn't going great, let's be honest. And we came over here, over to Sydney for a wedding. It was a mate of mine's wedding. I was on the bridal table and we had a massive blue beforehand. She wasn't going to come to the wedding because she had to sit with other people. It's a big drama. So I just started drinking the wine, the Rosemount Chardonnay on the table. Loved it. So I started drinking wine essentially to drown my sorrows. And then I went, I came over to go camping with my brother.

Josh: It was at the end of that story. I thought that was going to go really well.

Trevor: Yeah, well, we're not together anymore, let's be clear.

Tommy: But I was—

Trevor: so I started drinking Rosemount Chardonnay. That was my drink because I tasted it at this wedding and I thought it was okay.

Josh: What is Rosemount Chardonnay, by the way?

Trevor: It's just a brand.

Josh: It's just a brand Chardonnay.

Trevor: Chardonnay. Yeah, it's a Chardonnay. That's all I know. This is as much information I have about any wine.

Tommy: It's a fancy sounding one because of the rose.

Trevor: I go camping with my brother and he stops at a bottle shop, says, what do you want? I went, I don't know, some Coke. And he goes, you gotta drink. I went, he goes, all these people are coming on. I don't drink. I drink Rosemount Chardonnay. He goes, well, fuck that. He comes out with a box of Lemon Ruskies. He goes, trust me, these taste like Solo. Do you know what? I went, okay. So I drink Lemon Ruskies or Chardonnay. That's it.

Tommy: Trev, you gotta— it's like, that's the self-fulfilling prophecy. The guy's fussy with food. My guess of beverage would be Ruskie. Or a UDL or a Jim Beam Cola.

Trevor: Passion fruit UDL, I think.

Tommy: It's amazing.

Josh: No, I really like it. I think it's a quirk that definitely gives you something to have a conversation. But I think the hilarious thing is you're in so many scenarios with your work where you are getting the best. I mean, you are famous for criticising Apple when you were at their event on the Daily Talk Show. You spoke about their strawberry water and how upset you were about that.

Tommy: There's so much strawberry water. Chat around our office, mate.

Josh: It's our preferred, you know, it's our preferred infuse.

Trevor: But you know, like, this event I'm going to in New York next week, they send you your itinerary and it's a, you know, it's a pack. It tells you what you got to do. It says please use a Samsung phone. Uh, it, you know, tells you what's happening, what time of the event. So it tells you where you're having dinner every night. I've already looked those restaurants up. I already know that the first night I'm good, the second night Mexican, not gonna happen. Mexican's delicious.

Josh: Yeah, I'm the opposite.

Trevor: I get my only— Doritos with some, you know, on it. But if it's actual fucking proper Mexican, I'm out. Really?

Josh: So what is it?

Trevor: Organizing a steak with a mate then?

Josh: Because I mean, Doritos, there's a lot of— I mean, if you've got a million fucking taste buds or whatever, like you're over-taste-budded or whatever you're calling it, super taster, super taster, surely something like a Doritos would just set you off. Surely in regards to—

Trevor: well, let's be clear, I haven't been diagnosed. That's just Wikipedia at this point.

Josh: Have you watched the show Freaky Eaters? No, it's, it's one of my favourite shows.

Tommy: Netflix?

Josh: It's on Netflix? Uh, TLC in the US. It was on US Netflix. I think it's very old, but I remember watching it and it's just, there's this guy who, um, it turns out he would only eat burgers. And so the like food psychologist or whatever's like, we want to sort of expand your palate.

Trevor: Chips?

Josh: Yeah, no, he wouldn't have chips. And but this is what they did, they're like, you know what, we're going to give you a burger. And they brought out like a a Whopper that had lettuce in it. And he just, he only had burgers without any vegetables. And we watched him as he tried to eat this burger. And the only thing that was added was lettuce. And he was going, huh, huh. He was like, he was dry reaching as he was trying to put it in his mouth.

Trevor: That is what it would look like if you watch me try and eat something new, because it's just the initially the smell will set me off. And then it's like, nah, like tablets. I can't take tablets. I can only take capsules because the taste on my tongue. Just—

Josh: you don't do that. Baby doesn't do tablets.

Trevor: Nope.

Tommy: Actually, can we make a pact, Trev? For the first time we meet, I'm pitching it up, guys. You can— you just let me get through it first. When you come to Melbourne next and you, you come into the Daily Talk Show studio, can we get you in on a Fat Friday and you eat something that you're just not comfortable about?

Trevor: You like to do it. I'm 42 years old, Tommy. I don't fucking need to eat new things. What do I need new things for? There hasn't been a day where I've gone, oh shit, there's nothing I can eat today. Yeah, there's plenty of things I can eat. I've just got to be specific about it. So you'll taste challenges.

Tommy: I mean, we're very much highlighting your quirk, but I think like, look at Mr. 97. He's pushing his sort of— he's being uncomfortable by getting this hair done, and it's stretching him as a person. He's much younger than us.

Trevor: I want to be stretched as a person.

Mason: I do like the idea.

Josh: I think we could I would do like a Trev spread. I'd like to do that as a fact. We get that list.

Trevor: I'll send you the list.

Josh: Yeah. What we'll also do, we'll create a blog post, which is Trev Long's menu and we can SEO for it. So if any PR people, if any PR people ever ask you what, you know, any, if you've got any food allergies or just Google it, send them out.

Trevor: We started doing those taste test videos, right? We've done meat pies. Ice cream, tomato sauce, and there's one other I can't remember. Just chips like Smith's chips and stuff. And Byron keeps fucking ruining the office with tomato sauce everywhere by squirting it everywhere, but it actually came off the carpet.

Josh: So we're all good.

Trevor: We've now— we're now thinking we're gonna— we're actually gonna— we're gonna try and monetize that. Like, you blokes are doing this thing, I don't know how the fuck you're ever gonna make money out of it. It's just crazy. But anyway, so we're thinking, you know, we're gonna go to the big supermarkets, we're gonna go to brands and actually sell this thing and make some money, right?

Mason: Yeah.

Trevor: So we just got an email from someone who used to work at a car company. They've moved to Vegemite. Like, I'm just all in on that. I'm just going to be doing Vegemite spreads. But see, I'm not going to do Nutella versus Vegemite because I will not eat Nutella. It's just not going to happen.

Josh: Well, actually, we've got someone from Vegemite. TJ, did you want to go?

Tommy: Oh, actually in the building.

Trevor: Oh, great, stock video too.

Tommy: Well done. He's just spoiled it. Jacob, can you see that red thing up there on the top?

Josh: On the left-hand side.

Tommy: Left-hand side, the very top.

Josh: Perfect.

Tommy: Actual— if you just throw that over here.

Josh: Yeah, thank you. Good catch, good catch. Very alpha of you. Um, so here we go. This is Tommy's— we, we promised this a while ago, uh, that when the video came out we would have— ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Vegemite.

Trevor: Breach of a contract.

Josh: Hello. Yeah, we don't sign anything.

Tommy: This is the sock puppet that we— if, if you look at our Instagram account, you can see me with this in my hand.

Josh: But here it is.

Trevor: So when I get home, I'm going out tonight, I've got to make small talk with people. When they say, what'd you do today? I'll be like, I was on the Today Show this morning and then I did a podcast with a fucking soccer player.

Tommy: Who was better? Was Ben Fordham on this morning? Was Ben Fordham on the Today Show?

Trevor: No, no. Listen, just on Ben Fordham, we have to talk about this. I believe, I believe I remember an Instagram storey whereby you re-storied his storey where he was talking about being a Gronk and on the Gronk Squad. You're the verified Gronk. I'm the fucking number one ticket holder, verified Gronk. You are King Gronk. Johnny come lady lately, verified Gronk.

Tommy: You know what, if we've got King Gronk there, Queen Gronk Gemma Watts, imagine them arm in arm walking into a big live show that we're putting on.

Trevor: And Ben Ford would be holding the fucking rings.

Josh: Such a beautiful visual though, isn't it? I'd love to see Trev and Ben Fordham have a jelly fight.

Tommy: Look, it depends on what flavour jelly, otherwise Trev's not wanting it. If it's strawberry, it's fine.

Josh: How did your dad even go to jelly fight in judo? I don't know, just you and Ben Fordham having some form of fight, and I want to sort of reduce the tension. I feel like reducing tension of the fight would be—

Tommy: Just back from talking about Mason pushing the boundaries and, you know, 3 to Deal travelling over here, what do you do? Have you got something? That you push the boundaries? No, you don't.

Josh: I think you do. You're on TV. You do all that stuff. I mean, what is it? What is it for you? What are the things where you're feeling like that you're out of your comfort zone?

Trevor: You know, like, there's no word of lie, the last 3 days shooting that storey for the Today Show was a massive boundary push because it was, it was a lot of extra. It was more work than I ever knew went into television. I was with the cameraman going, mate, I didn't realise this much work went into it, you know? Yeah. Like we've made, see, we've made tape storeys when we're overseas. But we just use a little Sony and a Rode mic and it just kind of works. We just do our thing. Whereas this was, you know, there's a script and, you know, we're standing, I'm standing at Sydney Harbour and I have a real problem with the sun. Like I need sunglasses.

Josh: Do you have sunglasses?

Trevor: It was, yeah, but it was coming right at us. And when you're on television, you can't wear sunglasses.

Josh: I can imagine you wearing sunnies.

Trevor: Mate, well, it just wouldn't happen.

Tommy: The light's shining pretty bright on us, mate.

Trevor: Filters over it and then a glare thing and all that. It was just so much extra effort. So But I don't think it— I didn't feel like I was pushing the boundaries. I was just— it was just something that took longer. Oh man, I don't think there is anything that I do.

Josh: Do you think having kids pushes your boundaries at all? Like, does that make it force you to get out of your comfort zone?

Trevor: Yeah, yeah, it does, because it's a priority thing. Like, you know, the things— and Tommy's talked about this a lot, and I nod in agreement every time you talk about it because Josh would never understand, but It's just a priority change, you know, it's just like everything in your life changes as a priority. But see, the thing for me was it was perfect because I don't like going out to dinner, I don't like going out to events. I don't like— so I would just say to people who'd invite me somewhere, oh, I'm just gonna— I've got kids, I've got a baby. Or it's a fucking great excuse. My kids are the best excuse ever. Like, I can use them as an excuse to get out of almost anything.

Tommy: So you've done a great job, Trev, of selling in Yeah, I like the lifestyle.

Josh: Maybe I need a kid. Maybe.

Trevor: Yeah. I said to someone yesterday, I said, listen, you married? He goes, nah. So you don't have kids?

Mason: Wow.

Trevor: Okay. And we're talking about kids and he's like, are you really selling that to me? I went, no, no, no, mate. It's the best thing in the world having kids. Just like, seriously, being married, the best thing in the world, which is exactly what married people with kids say to people who are not married with no kids because we want other people to suffer the same way we are.

Josh: There is definitely, I feel like a bit of that when people are It's like, I mean, you have to.

Trevor: Add some fruits to this cult badly.

Josh: No, I think it makes, it makes a lot of sense. I think it is, it is ironic you doing food reviews. I feel like at the beginning of any food review you need to say, I'm picky as fuck.

Trevor: The problem with the food review thing is it is limited. Like if you look at that list, there's, there's very few things we can now compare, but we've got some. Are we going to do sausages? We can do sausages, you know, from a butcher, from a Woolworths, from a Coles. But I think we've only got like 5 episodes in us before I run out of things to taste. So we'll have to bring someone else in.

Josh: Now, I mean, you pump up Sydney so much. Yeah. 3D Dill has been talking about going to Sydney. Now, I don't want to throw this onto you, but we mentioned it previously. I don't know if you know that we're going to bring this up, but would it be possible? How long have we got, Dill?

Trevor: As of today, 24 days.

Josh: Fuck. Okay, we've got 24 days.

Trevor: Really?

Josh: 24 days for Dill to spend a day with you in Sydney. Alan's Lollies.

Trevor: Sounds like a punishment more than anything else.

Tommy: Well, we thought that because we've never met you at least one of our team members could come up, liaison, kill two birds with one stone. I feel like I don't exist.

Trevor: Fuck. So here's the thing, like I heard the— I think you tagged me or something, or we got— I got a message saying you're gonna have to listen on the weekend because we want to get a deal there. And it's like, it's a lot of pressure. That was like, hang on a minute, what the fuck? How dare you throw that on me like that? But like, my problem is, as I just said, yeah, this is the worst time of year for you to want me to be involved with Dyl coming to Sydney because I'm in New York and then I go to Berlin. So I'm not even sure that it would have worked.

Josh: This is sounding a lot like a no.

Trevor: Okay, you know, I get back from New York, I got family. So I get back from New York on the 10th, I think it's a Saturday morning of August. So what I think, in fact, Dyl, fuck it, I've already booked it, mate. You're coming. Seriously? On Monday the 12th.

Josh: What?

Trevor: Right, Monday the 12th, your flight is at 12 o'clock lunchtime. Now the reason I went with lunchtime, because you, I think you said, uh, on the show you said we'll get him an early flight, have a whole day there. It doesn't work that way because my problem is if he has an early flight, I might be, I don't know what days I'm going to do the Today Show in advance.

Josh: So where is he going to sleep? What are we going to do?

Trevor: Right, so he's going to fly up at lunchtime. I'll pick him up at the airport. We'll do, as I think Tommy said, you can pretty much knock over in a couple hours the big things. I can drive through the Harbour Bridge, we can go to the Opera House, we can do some of those kind of sightsee kind of things. I've booked accommodation just in the city near Hyde Park, so because I don't want to fucking be with him for 24 hours, you'll be in the actual city so you can wander around and take some photos and do all that kind of thing. And you don't fly out until the following evening. So you've got a whole second day in which, like, if the planets align properly and I've got a Today Show segment, I'll come pick you up at the hotel and I'll bring you to an actual big media company and you can come and see how that's done. And then we'll— you can do something else for the rest of the day. We might grab a burger and you'll get a flight home that night. So, Dale, wow, it's not a fucking idea, mate. Yeah, booked. It's in your name.

Tommy: I think we all also need to tell him one thing. What seat number is he flying in?

Trevor: Oh yeah, 1A. Because mate, I don't— when I book flights with either myself or other people booking it, there's only one way to fly, and that's business class up the front of the bus in seat 1A.

Tommy: You're flying business class.

Josh: Business.

Tommy: Why?

Trevor: Also because I figure like a week and a half later you've got to fly fucking 16 hours. Yeah, don't remind me about that.

Tommy: Also the great thing which I saw, because Josh and I knew about this, we've been keeping a bit hush-hush. 1A means business class, which means access to the lounge. So you could go, you could go to the airport at 7 AM and just eat toasties.

Josh: What do you eat, Trev, when you're at the Virgin lounge?

Tommy: We know the list, it's pretty obvious.

Trevor: You know what, a ham and cheese toasted sandwich, a plain bread roll.

Josh: That's what they do.

Trevor: I'll smash like 3 of those.

Josh: What do you think, Dyl?

Trevor: Yeah, to be honest, I have no idea what to say. I'm a little speechless.

Josh: I mean, I was when Trev had mentioned it. It's the most generous thing that I think I've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah. So lovely.

Trevor: What else am I going to use my points for? I get shitloads of them.

Josh: You could buy a toaster. Toasters are great.

Trevor: Yeah, I could have a toaster in every room.

Josh: This is, this is so good. So I mean, I'm excited.

Trevor: It's going to be good because, yeah, and I take the— we take the piss out of the Melbourne-Sydney thing, but dill, Sydney's so much better. It's a better city. It's a more beaut— Oh, fuck, I hope the weather's not bad.

Josh: What is the weather like at the moment? I mean, it's fucking winter.

Trevor: It's nice. Yeah, but see, this is the thing. It's awful in Melbourne. I was literally freezing in Melbourne. So you've come from Canada to Melbourne where it probably feels warm. This is going to feel like the outback. Yeah, I'm tipping.

Tommy: When it rains in Sydney in winter, it's like, it's not like here. It's a bit different.

Trevor: We should make him swim at Bondi.

Josh: Oh yeah, definitely. Get him on Bondi Rescue.

Tommy: Can you take him to Bondi, please?

Trevor: I'll drop him there. I won't go. Yeah, that's fair. I'll find my way around.

Josh: I don't really do public blackpainting either. Well, we've got a lot of quirks.

Tommy: It's been a huge week here on The Daily Talk Show. Mr. 97's got bleach blonde hair. He's looking absolutely cute as fuck.

Trevor: Very, very sharp.

Josh: I mean, it's, uh, it's— you've got to watch the video. Go to thedailytalkshow.com and watch it. It is one of those ones. Uh, what do you, what do you think, 97, of your haircut? What's what's the, what's the vibe that you're feeling? What's it— do you feel your confidence level has increased?

Mason: Yeah, I, I'm, I'm more confident wearing, like, having, having colour in my hair. I didn't think I'd ever be confident enough to wear actual, like, bleach my hair and get rid of all the brown. It's crazy.

Tommy: Well, you got bullied into it, so it's all good, it's all good.

Josh: So do you think you'll keep the hair? Like, what's that, what's the plan?

Mason: Uh, for a period of time and then go back to brown. Yeah, well, I haven't worked— I haven't worked out yet. I don't know how many gym sessions I want you to go to.

Josh: Oh, that's right, because we did set up that for every week that 97 has bleach blonde hair, I go to the gym twice, which was sort of a— it's a weird deal.

Tommy: You're in a lot of debt to a lot of promises.

Trevor: Yeah, I wasn't going to bring any of that up, but the great thing is when you have a bit of debt, a little bit more doesn't hurt. It's all sort of discussion, just quietly, like, just— we're amongst friends. Are we just not talking about the book anymore?

Josh: No, it's actually I don't want to talk about the book, but things happen. Things happen and arcs happen and, uh, stories. Yeah, shit happens. Stories play out when they need to play out.

Tommy: And all I'll tell you is that whatever he's written, there's a bunch of pages over there on our mantelpiece, which is worrying because if he actually loses those, he hasn't completed the book. We need the full book. So the care factor of the current writing that he's done, very low.

Josh: What did you talk about on the latest episode of Two Blokes Talking Tech? You just recorded that?

Trevor: Uh, we literally just recorded that, uh, an an hour before this. Look, Samsung, Apple, all the regulars, and also HDTV. Like, we had this thing during the week when the Ashes started where people are whinging about not being able to get GEM HD, which is a free-to-air channel, because they've got Foxtel. And I'm like, just fucking unplug your Foxtel. There's an antenna coming through the air. It's like Americans who get excited about the fact that with an antenna you can get television stations without paying a cable fee. It's free-to-air. But what about this? So I've got— Josh should be aware of a Fetch Box. Yeah, Fetch TV, little, little set-top box. I've got access to real-time data that they have showing you what people are watching at this exact time. And at nighttime during the Ashes, a big sporting event, 80% of people are watching standard definition, not high definition TV. It's like you've got the high definition TV, why are you watching the, the lowest possible quality? It's a, it's a mind-blowing thing.

Josh: So why are people just— because I It annoys the fuck out of me just going through the free-to-air, and I feel like I'm— it doesn't seem to be in order. I don't know if I need to retune my thing, but it feels like if I want to get— if I'm on Channel 10 and I'm like, oh, I'm on standard def, I then end up flicking through about 100 channels, right?

Trevor: Because so you've got, you've got 2, 3, 7, 9, 10, for example. And so 9 is standard definition. If you want to go to high definition, you've got to go through 20, 30, 70, and to get to 90. So like if you're watching Channel 9, you should be watching Channel 90. Yeah, that's a simple thing. People gotta watch the high definition version.

Josh: Yeah, I do.

Trevor: I think people don't do it.

Tommy: Yeah, it's unrelated for me. I don't have a TV, man.

Josh: That's interesting, the Fetch thing. Wait, so is this, is this, is the Fetch thing, is that, um, is that like you having a relationship with Optus or something? It's giving you that data, or does everyone have that?

Trevor: Uh, no, Fetch. Well, I have a great relationship with the good people at Fetch.

Josh: It's Fetch Optus.

Trevor: They make this No, Fetch is an independent company. They sell them through telcos like Optus, but they're an independent business. But they use— they give the information to like TV execs and stuff so they can, you know, because you can sit at night and like I can look at it right now and I can see that Channel 7's got more viewers than Channel 9. Now it's only a sample of Fetch viewers, but it's every single Fetch box and it's, it's staggering. It's amazing data. There's 38,848 Fetch boxes on right now watching television.

Josh: That's amazing.

Tommy: I'm actually, um, glad I got you on, Trev, because, uh, The Bachelor was on. I didn't have a TV. I'm— and I know you're across The Bachelor, uh, you've crossed Ninja Warrior.

Trevor: I was across that because my kids are into it, but no, I'm not watching any of the other ones.

Josh: What about you and Ben Fordham taking it out on the Ninja Warrior course?

Trevor: I wouldn't make it past the first jump, let alone the first obstacle.

Josh: I feel like I could do the one where you're just putting me and Ben Fordham on a fucking obstacle course. I don't know, I'm just just fucking visualising it.

Tommy: Josh has high hopes for his abilities on that course, but it'd be up there with what he'd be good for.

Trevor: The one where you just hold on. I get as far as you do.

Josh: Well, the one— if they— if it's the one where you just hold on and just fucking rolls, just fucking hold on.

Trevor: I can hold on. Mate, listen, Tommy, if you can make that happen, I'll do that up against him because Josh will fall as fast as I fall.

Tommy: That's something we should definitely—

Josh: I'll go up against Ben Forten. You would love nothing more than being on a Ninja Warrior course.

Tommy: I'd like it, not for the TV show. The people on it are freaks.

Josh: Yeah. But yeah, I'd love between us, between the sort of group that's kind of actually—

Trevor: Watch it or not?

Tommy: I don't have a TV, Trev, but I've seen this.

Trevor: I love highlights. Catch up, mate. It's, you know, you can watch it on your phone.

Josh: Yeah. What is— What do you actually— To catch up on something, I'm not joking. What do you use?

Trevor: There's an app that There's an app for every TV station. 9Now, 10Play, 7 Plus. You just have the app. Like, my kids watch more of Ninja Warrior on 9Now, either on their iPads or on the, on the TV, because there's a 9Now app, than they do of live television.

Josh: Interesting.

Trevor: My kids don't know what live TV is apart from the Today Show.

Josh: And so are they on— did you say it's on the iPad?

Trevor: You can get the app on any device. They've got iPad, so they watch it on there. Where's your web browser?

Josh: What about like— are you using like an Apple TV or anything to run all those, or no?

Trevor: Again, you could, you could if you wanted to. We've got an Apple TV as well, but my kids are the iPad generation, so if they want to watch something— so when LEGO Masters was on, see, the problem with TV is my kids go to bed, it's fucking 7 o'clock, they're up in their room, and by 7:30 they're, they're, it's lights out.

Josh: Yeah.

Trevor: So they're not seeing any of this stuff, but we talk about it and they hear it, us watching it downstairs. So they watch LEGO Masters entirely as a catch-up programme on their iPads. They just get their iPad when it's screen time, and they would, they would waste essentially their screen time watching TV.

Josh: Yeah.

Tommy: Is there too much telly for your kids?

Trevor: No, because they don't— like, they— it depends what you mean by telly, right? They watch, they watch YouTube, they'll watch, uh, you know, catch-up like NineNow, or they'll watch, you know, Netflix. But they only get an hour a day. Their iPads lock out after an hour a day.

Josh: And so do you find that they're between YouTube or one of the catch-up apps? What do they gravitate to?

Trevor: They're pretty much— that YouTube would be their go-to, YouTube Kids. But when, if I say to them, listen, just, it's, this is inane, like you watch something they're watching, you're going, it's nothing bad about it, but it's just fucking rubbish. Yeah, you listen, why don't you go back to Netflix and have a look at the— because then they discover Captain Underpants or some other thing which is, you know, thematic and it's got episodes and it's a better program. So YouTube is where kids today go first, and then you give them a Netflix account, they'll be in there. And rarely, I mean, catch-up like Survivor and Ninja and LEGO Masters. Those things do very well on catch-up for TV stations because they're cultish and kids will talk about them at school as well.

Tommy: I feel like I would like to know your opinion on where these streaming services are going. I've had a few conversations lately where people are like, ah, Netflix, their, their business model's shot, they're producing too much content, too much money. But I feel like it's always an uneducated explanation of a very intricate business model that is making billions of dollars. But what do you think? Well, I mean, sorry, generating revenue doesn't mean profiting. They're generating a lot of revenue, which doesn't mean—

Trevor: it's like Amazon. You know, Amazon has never made a profit selling goods. Yeah, like in retail. Never made a profit. Amazon.com's never made a profit. They make money out of web services, not out of retail.

Tommy: Yeah, the hosting stuff.

Trevor: Yeah, Netflix, you know, makes billions of dollars a year, but they spend it all again on, on content. I don't think they're making a profit either. So my biggest problem, my biggest challenge with all those things is—

Tommy: here we go, this is where I knew it'd come out—

Trevor: this is what I wanted, fitting, fitting into what we have as a regulatory environment here in Australia. You know, you've got ratings, you know, programmes are M, they're MA, there's different times, there's different things that happen. Your kids can be on YouTube and they could see anything. You know, it's, it's really, really a deep pit of potentially anything. And it's a mass— my parents don't watch. Parents just go, yeah, okay, I'll cook dinner, you watch, you watch YouTube, whatever. They don't pay attention. Whereas Netflix and Stan, there is kids kind of areas. So I'd prefer my kids were in Netflix and Stan than YouTube any day of the week because the, the content is a little bit more, I guess, targeted for them. But they're not making much Aussie programs. They're not contributing to the Australian entertainment industry in any way. Like Stan is, but that's about it. So I think we've got a long way to go before we kind of find the, the middle ground for where that all ends up.

Tommy: Well, yeah, they could be regulated to produce X amount of content within Australia for—

Trevor: in the same way that Australian TV networks are required to produce a certain amount of Australian content. I believe Stan and Netflix and others should be as well if they want to operate here. Stan would probably already make it because they make some heap of shows, but Netflix would be dead overnight and there'd be an uproar. And then, you know, everyone would march in the streets because of Netflix, not over anything else.

Josh: Weirdos. Trev, thank you so much for what you're doing with 3D Dyl. That's extremely exciting.

Trevor: I'm looking forward to it.

Tommy: He's a good kid.

Josh: We're going to— we'll set you up with the camera and everything so you can film the whole journey and we can create a great video of the whole experience. No pressure. So, so it's the 12th. Monday the 12th of August.

Trevor: Monday the 12th.

Josh: Yep.

Trevor: And I'll be fully jet-lagged having got back from, from New York. But it's lunchtime, so it'll be sweet.

Josh: Well, you're giving him the whole Trev experience, right? He's living like Trev for a day.

Trevor: That's the fucking worst sales brochure for a trip ever.

Josh: For the full Trev experience, I feel like he needs to wear business wear. I think we need to get him a blazer. I think he needs to be today ready. He needs, he needs his blazer. He needs to be ready. He needs to have—

Trevor: Do we have a budget for that? No, no, no. We'll find it. We'll find it. For this show.

Josh: We've got a Salvos across the road, you'll get a nice blazer from there.

Trevor: It'll be fun. We'll make a list of things that we absolutely have to see.

Tommy: Sure.

Trevor: And you can make a list of things you have to do. And, you know, I'm not saying I'm not going to babysit you because I don't want to, but I just think you're better off— I'll show you around, have a great time, and then we'll have lunch or something because then you've got some freedom to just go and do all the shit. Yeah, no worries. Whatever you are.

Mason: I can't wait.

Tommy: He's self-dependent. He's good.

Josh: Yeah, he's good.

Trevor: You're gonna want to stay here for the rest of the month. I'm gonna be honest with you, you're gonna want to stay here for the rest of the month. Yeah, because it's a better place.

Josh: Trev, thank you. eftm.com. He's got his podcast, he's got Two Blokes Talking Tech, and he is King Gronkh. Uh, thank you, Trev, for coming on the show. It's a daily talk show, weekend banter. It's been Sunday, huge one, fucking '97 with the bleached hair. Instagram stories, guys. You've got, you've got to go on Instagram anyway because the amount of visual content of 97 with that hair is out of this world.

Tommy: Any last words, Mr. 97?

Mason: Nah, it's just epic job. It actually looks pretty good.

Josh: Yeah, it does. You fucking love it.

Trevor: I'm actually happy with it.

Josh: Who would have thought? Only 97 would walk away better.

Trevor: Well, you certainly didn't because you're going to go to the gym.

Josh: I know. This is, it's benefiting. Maybe I'm benefiting. Bleach, I get to pick between going to the gym twice. We'll work it out. Do you want the gym? No, we won't do the gym. Midday. Yeah, all right, midday.

Tommy: Yeah, we'll get there. We don't need to schedule with Trev.

Josh: All right, it's a Daily Talk Show. Trev, thank you very much, and we'll see you on Monday, guys.

Tommy: See you guys.