- August 2, 2019
Andy White – he’s an ex bike courier, curious traveller, Melburn Roobiax founder, and director of FYXO. Andy has spent years working as a bike courier in London and New York, discovering some of the best parts of the cities. His passion, curiosity, and love for adventure and fun birthed Melburn Roobiax, a cycling event where riders are encouraged to have fun and explore different parts of Melbourne and its culture.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
– Our Fat Fridays order
– Melburn Roobiax
– Behind the brand FYXO
– Being a bike courier in NYC
– Nostalgia and cultural conservation
– Forging a different path
– Curiosity and introversion
– Organised August
Andy on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fyxo/
Melburn Roobiax: https://fyxo.co/blogs/fyxo/melburn-roobaix-2019-ride-report
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Send us mail: PO BOX 400, Abbotsford VIC 3067
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 412 and it's
fat Fridays and we got Andy white in the building Hello morning.
Happy organised August
this just make that Shut up.
I mean that's it was actually two days ago that he made that she that and now we're amongst August oh no yesterday went good trend you know what yesterday was the first and I did organise August which was organising my wallet which was great but anyway we won't get bogged down but if you want to get involved
and get organised in August Eddie I sent you a message last night and I said, What's your favourite food? I actually amazing your text messages with how you present them? Which minimal?
Sometimes coded Yeah, you went to sit me a time code to our own podcast.
Literally me is the fact that I gotta I gotta work out what this is. It's Seth Cohen's episode. Any and, and and he said 14 I want.
Well, I mean, Andy, you've got Melbourne, Ruby. And so it's almost like orienteering through text message sometime. Yeah,
it is. Well, it depends. When we come better friends told me Oh, my text message will come longer, more explicit
level of effort, but I feel that we could go from strength to strength.
I mean, I feel like we've taken that next step in our relationship. You've let me where you've let me wear your helmet where you take it off my head. Yeah.
is safety and warms first always so what
is it actually a snowboard
snowboard helmet? It does not meet Australian safety standards for a bicycle. Okay, because I haven't played the licencing but other than that I'm sure it's fun
night I would trust my helmet my head in this over a fucking Melbourne $10 helmet 711 that you can get that Yeah,
I agree. I would never compromise with safety. I'm back
so do you reckon it is actually mean what is it designed for? What are people using? Hey, boom, well I
like snowboarding. So imagine you don't want to we should ask the Canadian Really?
Yeah When would you never actually snowboard it but I've I've had friends that have been in snowboarding accidents and it's because you're hitting the snow you risk getting ice yes so you get ice a tree rocks. Troy we're going on a hill at like sometimes you get a TK is an hour it's not ideal show
that that that would be highly syphon bike riding and we got to address the elephant in the room. Which one the spread
is in front of us
now you look like your party tonight yeah,
we've got an amazing spread 3d do Do you know just share with Andy what how you've come across this this morning. So
this morning I went out to Queen Victoria market went on a nice early morning walk and just picked up a bunch of Italian Italian themed foods and stuff like meats spreads we've got got three different types of dips, olives, two different types of breads, three different types of cheese, two variations of salami.
And they actually the people at the I can't remember the name of the
what the opportunity
actually said that that we're gonna be the idea of a deal is you got to know where the fuck you know
what what do you feel about going to some way like the big market in a place like Melbourne, Australia and actually trying to barter with these, you know, delicatessens?
I think foods one of those things.
bartering Hmm. Can I pay less for that? I come from a long line of hagglers. My brother is probably one of Australia's greatest negotiators when it comes to folded. But the food I I suppose if you're going to buy 100 kilos of QM, mate, yes, I can do something nice for cash. But I mean McDonald's
will he asked for a discount
or ask for a discount so this is going to be for a podcast we're going to be filming I flicks and gave the guy oh my
asking for a callback because you're in it. Basically. Look, let's just fight. I have a small Instagram or social media following. I would never ask for a cop out and say our host, can you give me a half price range on this?
It's I'm glad that he's forgot the name of it because we can't be linked back Really?
never asked for the discount. He said Oh, yeah, if like, if you want three, if for the depths, per se said if you want three I'll give you three for 10 bucks.
you make him feel like you get in this camp. You're actually selling five bucks each for those day.
How long is a Canadian been in Australia? like three months? Oh, say my mama wife's been in Australia. 10 years. And she's finally now she's coming out with with some Australian isms. And yeah, she's getting a hang of the lay of the land. Yeah, how thing is a doubt. She's a very crossing the T's dotting the i's which I love about it. And it's very important in a dynamic where I'm very far the other end of the scale. So I think we can forgive deal.
Yes. Because look at this sprout. He's done a great job. As money
Wait, yeah, when you have a podcast, it just does come up in conversation. It's one of those thing it's sort of it's it's one of those things, I think where it's like anything.
Well, I mean, you lead with it.
Josh Janssen hosted the daily talk show. So I've got Eddie you've got some you've created a movement we shot a video for quad lock that was about you and the Melbourne Ruby the event that you put on every year it awesome. Want to just say thank you and fucking we had no real idea about pseudoscience. Phaedra. Well, but Ruby or what are the or the movement and it is, and we filmed the interview first, maybe two months before the event. And so we're leading up so we didn't really have an idea. And then we get the three day deal Josh and I we get there on the day. And we just what the fuck is happening? We can swear I'd say that the same.
There was just lift your head to point that I mean, the thing with a video like this is you literally point the camera anywhere. And there's something interesting fucking going on. It's wild.
It's wild. And it was wild the first year when we had 100 hundred people. I remember the night before I was on the ESPN Radio with Matthew Keenan and Dave McKenzie, who now SPS cycling Twitter fans commented. And I always say look all I don't know how many people are going to turn up, maybe are split boy, I imagine if 100 turn up nice. They said we think hundred people gonna turn up. I'm like, I don't know. 100 people turned up. I was blown away at the response. We get one. I think it's one of those things if you build it, they will come people are looking for reason to get together and have a great time. But
it was pre social media, then proof instead of it back in
the day, I printed out flyers and I would go around to cafes and bike shop and say, do you mind if I put this up in your window? If I said no, I just put it up anyway.
Any tips on that stuff? So I did a sticker bomb. I know how you feel about bombs. It's like an alien
version of hash tagging. Really, it's a physical in real. In real life version of hash tagging, like you put on a sign it's hope to get people's attention when they're actually doing something totally different. Yeah, but my concern is that I walked the other day and I'm guessing it's the council has gone through and removed all the stickers or
little nasty other podcast. I don't
know. But I just curious as to what is the standard protocol of sticker bombing? I feel like you would know. Because I put it on a Saturday's Benton's would be now I put it I put it on a like a pole with you press the button to cross the road.
Yeah, perfect. Yeah. And it was it was gone. I've all we talking about like five foot height. Well, this is a problem because I'm always fucking panicked when I'm doing it. They're always in the word. Wrong. You need to look like it's totally legitimate. Yeah. And you were there. You were just actually paid to work for the daily talk show. I'm just this is my job. Messenger. Yeah, that's a
great idea. Do I need high visa?
It's not going to talk about my experience with what is your experience? or anything?
What have you done? What have you done with it?
Well, I mean, if you talk about the origins of straight up, and you're afraid, and I know a lot of artists that I mean, Melvin, we have this hypocrisy where one of the most celebrated points where tourists come to take photos is how's your life? Yeah. Now, it's graffiti. It's vandalism. Yeah. But at what point does that vandalism become cherished? Yeah. The stickers, stickers. At what point is it like this? Someone going to put something around that sticker? First one was the first one yeah,
exact perfect example. I think it's in between San Francisco and Los Angeles. There's some lane way it is now bubble gum alley, or and it's
just like the love lock bridge in power.
Yeah, yeah. So like, What? Who was the first person to stick a piece of jewellery that they'll just being a gronk and then taking over there, and then there and then just leave it? It's colourful, and people take photos
there. Do you think that the council's like Melbourne, in on South Bank they've actually got one of those bridges now that have the cable that allows
allows for trying to make it a things now now because I had to what Andy saying that bridge in Paris
left to remove it ever had to remove all the locks.
So all the all the gipsies is selling locks over in Paris trying to get you to go do it. Yeah. So Melvin Ruby, it's not a rice Gardner. It's
not picking it this
man. And I just decided I can say, look at one thing I'll say about I used to race a lot I used to enjoy. races involve ego. And it's amazing. Once you take an ego from an event, the vibe changes drastically. And I found that from my own experiences going to Bach prices, when everyone's trying to win one there's only one person happy at the end of the day. And that's supposed to mean everyone else's less than happy. And just the the the encouragement and the vibe when you can't compete and flex in a physical manner. And it I just found it. It was a it was a definitely a light bulb moment of making. Putting the bucket of water over the fire of competing physically Is it the other thing is there's so many opportunities in life to do that. There's not so many opportunities to just be silly Cavalier and hang out.
Yeah, there was people dressed up these dudes had built this, like this platform with the graphite yo with these exercise bikes have been nice
ride bikes that were then connected to actual wheels.
And we followed them for the whole day. Somehow, we just ended up bumping into them
There was a wheel hanging off on the back. And I thought, is that part of the the aesthetic? And they said, No, no, that's a spare wheel. But even when one breaks the start
of the race, they said to us, we don't know if we'll make it.
You said right. I sorry, say
at the standard. event they said we don't know if
it's genuine. And so last year, Oscar made a bicycle with a trailer and the BBQ on the back and did up as a moving banning snacks. Serving snacks and and each I thought there's no i can tell you no way. And then they do. So I love the people. And because we were awarded, and people do it. I think they do it just for the fun and for the visual and to entertain others. But we've also given prizes over it. Yeah, I think people thinking I'm gonna stand out and be silly and fun. And I love that. That's a distraction from the day to day. Yeah, you know, monotony of a lot of our lives is is something to think, oh, what can I do for that big party? That's happens in the middle of winter.
I want to see some people who have found success in something. And you've definitely found success in this being this huge event, not right event now. Do you look back on it with a storey that you articulate? That's about, you know, getting into it. And you had the vision of exactly what you wanted? Or is it what I more think about? Looking back on successes, you kind of just in the moment, not hoping it sort of takes off? Did you have the vision at the start or just just started? I can't look past
Actually, I had my wife and I had our because we work together. That means I'm a
part of it. Success is purely because she keeps me on track. And she has a bit of plane that I hate to play in. And we were talking about, you know, planning for fixer and it's like a
barnacle on like, I just don't like to plan a lot my agility of
I say you guys I go. So when I the first one was just like, Oh, just put on an event. And let's see what happens. So what is Ruby what is Ruby actually means a Ruby is the town, the city in the north of France, which Perry Ruby, of which Alvin takes the piece of his basement so that that's serious event. It's the longest and oldest bicycle race in the world, Harry Ruby, and it doesn't actually start in Paris now in Paris in Paris. It's nothing. But it still rides over rough cobbled farm roads, which is unchanged and that's part of the unique Sadek of that rice. It makes it really tough
and growling, like cyclocross is anything I don't know.
Just like a regular Tour de France or whatever. The exact same sort of thing. Yeah. And they've had stages where they've gone over the same road. That's how
so fucking bug him I went to France.
Hey, and did you see the guy who jumped on a
bike a third time and
jumped over the road as the cyclists on the Tour de France we're going underneath it's so
easy. It's epic. Watch it look it up on YouTube. So the cobblestones the roughness of that
ride and the only reason that Melbourne ribeye came is because this city the majority of the back alleys in the inner suburbs had a couple time back la which was originally used for the cheap cars to come and collect you know the rubbish in the trash and etc to clean the streets and in planning the event when I'm looking at doing everyone's like, Where's it going to go next year and you find new sectors it's really depressing one I go somewhere and you expecting to see a couple Delhi and they've paved over. It's like well, the POC I should leave there and
all the oldest behind the houses that are old, cobblestone lane wise, and it's so
nice. It's like
it's an ascetic thing it's very it's hard to create an easy to pay over it's like that, you know, is a paid paradise to put up a parking lot in the song good song.
Song but it's put it in my Spotify playlist and one of the organised August is creating a fresh Spotify playlists
will never go back to that visual of the beautiful buildings that are easily toned down or thrown up. Like a townhouse, multi storey etc. So did you grow up in Melbourne? I did. Born and bred northern suburbs. I've actually there. I've got a first house now. And it's very close to where I grew up. Yeah,
yeah. I mean, it's always hard but you've travelled the world you you've lived all across the way quit your marketing job.
Yeah. So the disappointment my dad actually have a problem I'm going to share this on my fix I can't but I shared a photo of me in my office at your Packard my marketing job that I quit OU was very disappointed god what
kind of computers were that rock and printers then
this was just pray Millenium bug a few years? Yes. He can imagine the world was about to end, what are we going to do when the calendars roll over, etc? So you almost did the Millennium bug coming to your decision of quitting? No.
Not me and just
working with the D. So what do you do? Like if you're working in HP marketing in the 90s? What does that actually what does that look like?
How was organising the promotional giveaways for the company. So I'd have all these reps come and basically what you would go to LA Express now. And when you find stuff that you want to get branded, you'd have reps come to you and say, oh, here's some pains and we're going to water bottles and only just garbage and we'll just throw the HP logo on and on. And then other groups within the organisation could buy it. No semi cost centres. It was just boring boring as hell. How long did you do that?
I don't think I lost to the I'm right. Yeah, I don't think I lost to the add a marketing degree and then you got your job and I throw it in the bin. I'm going overseas
and so there's Melbourne Ruby, but then all the other 364 days of the year fixed so how do you describe fix up because from my perspective, it's it's one of those like lifestyle brands that sort of you don't necessarily the first thing you do isn't necessarily put a product to the name I think I put you to the to the to the nice
discussion melody you're having she's like, okay, we're gonna have a we could have a plan and we could sell it. I'm like, can't sell it. It's me. Yeah. And there's lots of great examples of brands with someone melodies intrinsically waved into that brand. And look, it's not my goal. It's never been my goal to build it up and sell it and if people that have known fixed so for me, over the journey of what I've been doing will say that it's evolved like I've grown up marginally more sensible of a dad now. That's really exciting. Tell
him at night.
Yeah. Dad Bob.
And that's why gravity told me
put it on hold advice. And now a big thing is creating an album rebellious you were saying is creating an event where parents can hang out with a kids induce super cool stuff with their kids and share a moment that the kids can enjoy the parents can enjoy gets people together. I love that and I want to share my passion with my daughter and fix it is related to bikes but it's really just an expression of mine personality and what I like doing being outside having fun talking to and making people feel really good. Josh informed me about the one bad
yeah, I keep saying the one bad on your Instagram. I will
go to one that living in a house. We've been trading it for mange. And he's decided to take residence hall. Oh, and right next to their bedroom window. In a rock.
Yeah, because I was thinking I was like, Fuck, I would love to because three day deal. We've sort of done the rounds. We went to list of field like Churchill National Park and went and saw kangaroos and all that sort of thing I thought, like you You are actually patting. Like you actually touch the one that
told us that Keaton is but targets night she sent a talk snake like it. She basically walked over. I mean, that would be a lot of directing,
don't you say? Talk is like fucking run away.
Basically live where I grew up. And at my front door, it's the wilderness area. And we have dia we have Eagles love and that's one of the things I love sharing my mother. What are we go for a walk? Say someone Betsy kidneys? You know, it's really special thing. I love that. And I love because I have a global audience. I love sharing that because people on the other side of the world, kangaroos no big Well, it's no big deal for me. But sometimes you think well, what about the people in Russia? And they would trip out saying Absolutely. This stuff that I see and take for granted every day.
What is it about cycling, and really strong solid communities? Because we're friendly with Maven, cycling Maven, who's built a good thing online through cycling?
block and always different brands. Yeah, people that have Yeah, it's definitely there's It feels like that community bill sometimes.
Is it because we're outcasts. And we've chosen a transportation alternative that doesn't fit the norm of there's I think there is a part of it. I think it's people that like being at doors. Like being active. There's I think there's a lot of coming out. It is about what brings people in box together. I don't know it's not it's not just one thing, because when we say bikes, there's people that only ride ride boxes, people only ride man boxes, people just use a box just to get to work and back and outside of that, that I brought a buck. Yeah.
So do you feel like you sit in the middle, if there's all those communities, but I think Melvin robot is sort of put you in that position.
It's definitely Well, I was about Korea. So I was using it. I loved writing box, and I was using it as a as a tool. And that helped me make lots of people that use box in so many different ways. And you write memorable Bay is one of those events that pulls together all people that ride bikes, but it's not a it's not for one subset.
So have you seen the I think it's Joseph Gordon Levitt the
IQ, right? So my friend Austin horse, was the stunt double. Oh, wow. And my other friend Kevin screen is his name. He is a godfather type New York messengers thing because I worked in New York. Yeah, he was the creative consultant outside to get the look right. And because it was one of those movies that ad blockers would look at and go Ah, that that's, you would never do that. And yeah, I'm not some it's actually pretty good representation. But there has been a lot of movies of Quicksilver for example, the way they're switching between scenes and one second there in San Francisco and then there's your Yeah, I gotta be total nerd jack up on those little things as a movie watch it
now Well, I definitely that's why I was wanting to know is it a Is it a genuine representation of what it was like? Because you
know, we did three months in yeah
sorry, the reason I went to Canada I got a working visa for Canada because I knew I would never get it. states you know, just ducked across the border work to legally three months. I may have defamed you Yes. On yesterday show because I I switched two storeys that were taken jasmine rice. You and I
work illegally in New York. Yes, I'm
here, right because I know another guy that
was an alien in New York, so I just didn't know it was
it 99 you go to fucking us like
you could do it.
Absolutely. Tomorrow GBNEMUD reckon
that fucking Minaj
well, that mean when you enter the states, I hope Yeah, well, maybe that sure that'd be good for writings right? Yeah. When you enter the any country you say why I'm here? I'm here as a tourist. Yeah, sure. Always basically and in the grand scheme of things, the patents that I was making Yeah, always a tourist with the coolest mechanism to see New York inside a nap Yeah, really. That's what I was sleeping on catch at 13 Division above a Chinese restaurant making deliveries during the day at not available live a food which I thought would never catch on in Australia.
White so it was like this is Uber rates back he
was a neighbour rates to Yeah, absolutely. It was one of the best jobs I had in New York
what kind of food
mama's so is now is really good restaurant in the East Village. It was really wholesome. pastas and what else they do just really arm stall. Yeah, Italian style. That's what we're the companies that you were working for. One was called A to Z affectionately known as guide is a because the heart is with guy. And I bet applies to New York, I think in the basement. It was wild. And my friend Makkah who's a world renowned artist got me the job. And this is one of the things that he taught me he's a mega hustler. But it's how you know and he basically said the dispatch up this moment, Andy from Australia. Give me a job.
But don't ask questions. fascias
what sort of bike is it? Like, I'm imagine, like being awesome. Doesn't matter what your ride. And honestly, the the best thing you can offer. Any company as a biker is just turn up every day, and just shut your mouth and do what you're told.
How do you say? Because you've had those experiences. When you see what's happening with Uber rates and you see all that sort of stuff. What do you do you empathise? Or do you say does a different time of a bastardised the whole experience? I think the modular it doesn't sound like they're making very good money. But what the restaurants on anyway, from what I've
read the early days of there were some companies in San Francisco building their own version of Uber to
deliver to clients. Yeah, so it's the origins are quite not old. But I think Uber it has branded and packaged it the best of all of them.
There's another brand, he starts with a yellow, there was a bit of them at Melbourne, Ruby,
nice food delivery. Hey,
eight. Like that's all that's, it's like, there's all there's a rideshare out there. Yeah, it's it now it's becoming a competitive space. Uber just lead the way. Back to your question, do I think, like Uber's got to an opportunity to connect more people with the people delivering it. So in a way, there's more opportunity. I just think the days of being able to make heaps of money in the early days in the 90s when people pre faxes and emails and more things were delivered by Korea's made solid bank. And and same with the New York like you can make good money. When I worked in New York, I primarily delivered garments and portfolios, photography portfolios for agencies, to photography studios, and gamut. So
you're doing Dropbox? Really? Yeah.
It's true. So Dropbox has alleviated the neighbourhood. And I remember I was delivered to the West Village once and I've my shoulder I saw a guy with massive camera lens and these old dressed in black, and I looked at my shoulder after delivered. And I know before I delivered I said to him, what's broken? Yeah, I'm not that good looking. He said, Thats Sarah. Jessica Park. His house like Bo sheet is jack the bag. And it was a bag from Oscar de la Renta, and on the bag I said is JP and like, probably a half. And I delivered to you know, celebs all the time. Just that they were there. People just live in New York.
You can't become friends with any of them. Or just never just not nobody's No,
You had walk is still on. One message text.
The time code,
the walkie the walkie talkie that I love.
Yeah. So that was the Nextel era.
Yeah. So what years were you there? Were you there pre 911. Like what
was I started as a buck Korea a month after 911 London. And that was the walkie talkie area. And when I worked in New York, it was next house. So it's it's one way you don't have an open channel. I think that I and when I worked in Melbourne, we had open channel walkie talkies, which was just the biggest hilarity every day because everyone had their own personalities. you'd call over the radio if someone would fuck up. My thing was the Motley like, like, end with just the Banta was an amazing podcast. So
yeah, he recorded the walkie talkie like CB radios back in the day. I spent hours just listening to people having comments on my Elvira five o'clock lock on the door, I would say it's just about time to beg is because he would be in South Melbourne at five o'clock time for burgers.
And people will just queuing visuals for what's going on in the street. But once that's taken away, is it so you've got your job where you got your in isolation, but you don't feel it? Because you've got all these voices? The community? Yeah, people community and people would call on somebody people would call them with a song in the morning. So Kirk was the big staying alive. So you've been the elevator and all of a sudden the babies and stuff. I love that. That was that was a really special time. But once so we're talking now Uber, there's none of that.
Yeah, it's lifeless, Uber, maybe manufacture some of that shit. I wonder.
I don't think it's scalable. Like it's it's too disruptive. Think about the executive that would be pissed. Now if you heard that. From Uber and this big company. It's like the
romanticism has died. Yeah,
I mean, that's, I think you do that. So well. I think you'd like Australia and or an astrologer and romanticism like I feel these are the things I associate with you. When it comes to Australia, Anna, what do you think that people miss? Like, I find it hard to describe Australia to international people, but what do you what do you love about Australia? Oh, I love
the open spaces. I love the wildlife. I love I think we still have a relatively light back nature and but one of the things I mean, obviously a big part of my job is living online. And I don't like the way the porthole that we are looking is modernising the world. So you go overseas and you cut that back. There's less of a when I travelled to South America, in the early thousands and other parts of the world that weren't exposed to that you really get a sense that it's a different way of life. But I think as this technology evolves, we're all kind of becoming less diverse in the cultural
way of law
so you're not a guy to go to a restaurant that have already gone through Instagram looking at
oh no I don't want to know I want surprise yes is one of the things about working with our bank is there's very few opportunities to have total surprise like Google Street View has mapped the world Yeah, if I want to know what you joined your joint looks like I'm putting you're addressing to the I can do that the Grand Canyon which was one of my favourite places in the world, you'd have to go there anymore. Yes,
right. Building in India that said the guy with a pack and I was like literally going through the building it was like abandoned. Crazy.
What's it so there's benefits to work?
There are benefits get people curious to talk about that India you don't have the smells you don't have the oral sensations. It is a visual cue to what it might be like but it's not the same. It's not the same and I think to come back to your question, what do I love about Australia? Hmm wombats
creepy creatures man. I was on school camp once and I just heard this and this thing heavy based 60 k Jays or something ran past and they're fast. I was scared fallacy is that
they've got a little tape.
Right? Yeah, you can't. How would you say like panning it's one thing lifting he would never lifted up.
It's a wild animal. If it was domesticated, you get totally caught up saying ones that are like little dogs and they run around. Yeah.
I guess. domesticated animals. Do you have any pets?
Yeah, I got a dog. Yeah, I always had a dog.
I wonder what the, like one of those laws you know that? No, that's it?
No, no, actually. So I talked about the release of the Ranger. And how we've got a wombat that wants to adopt us as parents.
You have a joke with the Rangers?
You think you should contact wildlife? He can help about that. Well, actually, we are training it from Angel at the moment. And obviously, the sarcasm didn't come through my little longer text. Because I know the stranger really well. back.
What do you do? What did you do to get in the range?
Yeah, and I actually thought for a while having a fox isn't it would be amazing. I love it. I love foxes. Obviously unlock what they do to 90 wild life. But then I'll bring it back to think what is the most
invasive detrimental thing that Australia has ever introduced?
frogs? YY pinhead, yeah, you're right. Right. Bait flexes. Let's just
a high level. You know, people we fractured up it correct. And it is the biggest tragedy so I think some people get in the horse but D is an invasive species. I love Dr. Yeah.
And so I think we should maybe just open it up a bit more. what the
answer is, but I think people just need to have a just a good look in the mirror and go actually what are the biggest things that we can actually stop? Yeah,
change. What's your view on conservation? Because you talk about say like the cobblestones or things like that. Are you constantly because I'm going to say I don't have my nostalgia metre goes to things like fucking Nickelodeon or stuff like
that yet? Definitely. Milk bars and stuff. I don't maybe architecture isn't necessarily super high on the list. But as I get older, I start to appreciate when you go to other places, you go to Europe and associate you like, Why the fuck are we getting rid of all these thing? Well, what you bring up a good point, and I think it's unusual for younger people to have that appreciation of architecture and cultural things values to preserve until I get to the 30s and the 40s. Like, hang on. We should really because my youth is reminders to my youth are getting a raise. Yeah. And there's but it's too late, right? He's right. There was something about the old cold milk bars dying. Well, you can see why because everyone goes a cold Yeah.
We're in the fucking I quit sugar era. It's like you can I can have green frogs anymore. You know, by the time they
get free licorice Good Friday. We look back
with red tape on them. Absolutely fireworks
read you probably ride your bike to the shop to get your bag in the white paper bag. You're like $1 mixologist or you frogs, whatever your favourite was and then you go hang out with your mates and you'd run around off school whereas kids now they have a nice frogs and then they're looking at their phone and they
are racing the frogs probably
one of the weirdest things I got home the other night and my wife and daughter Uber Eats and she says to me Are there some left in the fridge? I said what do you get? I got a Ranchi bowls Aaron cheney bowls and chicken wings.
As we come to
watch a we second guess is it basically just a birds is just someone that goes out and get anything for you is
this was from a place of the specifically there is I services, but you can there's like I've seen
no, this is good. I've used Uber twice once in Canada and I actually use it recently when I had to go have my hernia up because I thought okay, I'll take the trial. But the train line was under construction like Okay, what else could I could I driving and so I just thought I know what just get over because I had to get up at 430 in the morning to get off the hospital for like 530. But just getting over it. And it was amazing. It is a fantastic service. I can see. Like in the woods, he
didn't look for it. You know, Robbie was the guy's name. I didn't go that hard. So how long you been doing this?
It's not even writer but uh, you know if I can know that. I
know I said to the guy said, Man, you can put on whatever you want to listen, I'm just gonna just zone out. Yeah,
yeah, you've got preparing for an operation as well, which is a whole nother thing. But
it seems like you've done a bunch of stuff in life that you're not looking for the financial reward. It's the experience of you being remodelling, I've always always
been an expressing the experiences and things that are for example, when I was in London, I was on the corner of Regent Street. And I think I forget what the alley was, but also when this guy called Robin super kid, and he told me about how he'd worked in New York. And it was his nickname. And you worked in New York. He's like, Oh, yeah, I just went over there. Got a job. And I blew my mind. And and then I thought, hang on. I'm an Australian. I mean, London, I'm working as a banker. How hard can it be? I've done this before in London, in New York is just another place to do it. And, and are always a few things. I thought I'd never want to be that grand dad that. I want to have real life experiences. I like it. When I was a kid. This is what I did. I didn't want to like I don't want to have regrets about all we should. Like, I just don't want to regret something because I chased some meaningless going to a job that paid better. And I'm like, I'm sure I could get a job better.
And so that's how you know you've got a young daughter yet? Is that something? Because he's, I mean, your parents, like you said, you quit your marketing job. And now like, shit, you know, there's
arguing about it. Yeah, I remember crying.
Well, last time I quit my job to go full time working for myself. I called my mom and said, I've quit my job. And I'm starting my own thing.
I can imagine the excitement. And yeah,
she goes, Well, this is something I don't want to hear.
You know, I think part of that stems from parents
wanting to have a child have security, and the best for them. And my parents had a very different path and set up a wonderful foundation for my brother and I, but we are
unemployable is one.
But you know, we have made our way and I'm thinking my when my daughter, but she will challenge me and she'll say something, and I'm just going to think you know what? You're working out your work. We all work it out. And you guys you're working it out. I'm working at on the fly, as a lot of people do. And I that's really exciting. We all kind of work it out, you know, I maybe if they were going seriously, of course or your personal your money up your nose? Or did they know
there's nothing they saying the spread it? Yeah, I think
you know, and it's very difficult for parents to imagine walking a life different to your
own. So how do you take that on? If you've got parents or family that you find supportive in that moment? How do you reconcile it? What's the
Yeah, I'm curious. Oh, I just did what I wanted anyway. Yeah. And my brother is the same. It
wasn't doing anything reckless.
That's the thing, right? But if you know, feeling, if, if you believe in your heart that you want to do something, but then you also feel like you don't have the support of the people who should be supporting. That's going to I know, personally, it takes a toll where I'm like, I haven't felt supported on certain things. And people can say, are the bigger picture their family or whatever, but it's also like, Oh, am I going to be a better person? Am I gonna be better if I just like, let it go and allow it to sort of happen and written? How do you reconcile the
wise, I'm lucky that I knew my parents would get on board and have to get on board, I just would have preferred if they were more excited, like you're, you're excited about doing something adventurous with your life. And like my mom in her 20s she travelled around the world with a little like a camera with her brother. And she had her own version of that, and I was looking to do mine. I think it's just coming from a place of love of wanting the kids to be safe. Without old times, yeah, thing is our refugees. I said I'm going to South America, and my moms like very, very, very dangerous they are once you get to America. And so the most dangerous things up in the mid the first night I got on the bus in Seattle. And I had these two guys fighting with knives they almost fell on top of me and I it's this perception of one parts of the world is dangerous. And one is and I found that in Colombia, a wonderful place very dangerous if you want to find trouble, but you know, are in the most dangerous place is other than the road
in Victoria strike the data?
Well, I say I was gonna say King Street at one o'clock and not like the central like, Melvin. Like it's wild. And like, well, you guys can obviously relate to inner city, Melvin. You know, if you want to find trouble, yes, right here. Yeah. I think it's one of those things that as we get further away from our home base, people think it's dangerous, because we don't have a way to easily relating to it.
For someone who has a similar approach. I don't want to plan. You know, I, I want to find experience, which doesn't always equate to stability. What do you I mean, you're someone who I think is found a level of success in that, which is probably not as common. And
you've got a consistent event that you've been doing for how many years? Is that now? 1414? Which I do say that
melody, am I, it's, I'm very grateful. We've worked at it. But then other things come and go. Yeah. My brother said to me, what remember summer days? Oh, yeah, like events come and go. It was huge. And if you look at the bell curve, a lot of these things a year ago, 123 Peak, and then bam, then like, so I'm very grateful to been doing and working for myself effectively, for this long.
But what about someone who's not finding the success? What do you think in terms of what would you say to somebody who's doing a creative endeavour? Or, you know, trying to chase something that doesn't make that much sense? For us? Oh, yeah. What have you said to yourself,
to have that a yearly event, I guess,
to success here, because I think, you know, you can be doing something a grind for four or five years before it actually works.
Before my wife officially became involved in memory by I didn't make anything it was not it was successful in terms of people had a good time. But it was not slick to the level that you guys are seeing it now. Certainly, it wasn't financially viable. It was just a thing that I did. And I had a very expensive hobby before my wife came in. And he left her job working in corporate Melbourne, and decided to focus to work with me. And that was a real turning point. And that's the point where we started to sell more things online. Customers, I was just terrible at customer service. Yeah. Just timeliness, where she came from background in retail, timeliness, good attention to detail, strict processes, protocols, and things like that. And that's why I think the XR works because it's not marrying about two skill sets. With paper.
You gotten better at those things, or has your wife just sort of taken
a better life? Yes. Yeah.
I think it's by osmosis. Right? It's it's going to happen. It's this Josh has got strengths that I don't and I'm picking up on those things and learning from him, and he's vice versa. And I think that's it. I think, within that what you said is, you can think doing it alone is like I've got to know and understand how shit and it's hard to find that person. Right? Like it's this is your why
it yeah, it would be very hard to find someone to employ to have that level of trust. And
yeah, if it wasn't all just going through LinkedIn, Howard people recruit these days. I should. Malcolm Gladwell, so I zip recruiter. There you go.
I like Malcolm podcast integration. Quick. Yeah. Zip recruiters they doing a lot of advertising. podcast. Yeah. What in Melbourne, I feel like you you're also got that sort of good local knowledge. Like I grew up in, in debbie debbie Hill as
my knowledge of it.
And, and so I'm curious, I feel like you know, a lot about also like the north or whatever, but also like, in a city, you know, what, what are some of those local knowledge things, whether it's places to wait or rules to live by if you do spend some time in Melbourne?
It used to be a lot better. And one of the things like I was saying about when I worked in New York and San Francisco, I had, I was I was working, but really I was getting to know an intimate level of detail of the city the buildings the people were to eight areas in districts and where was dodgy where was non NE Melvin it's changed a lot because I was a biker in you know the mid thousands now I live in the burbs and I focus a lot on living out there and doing nothing out there. I'm amazed at how rapidly Melvin is just changing deeply Docklands in a city and and the vibe is it's still a big country town. I love that about Melvin and kids itself that it's big city, but I think we should we should try and just stay true to who we are and not trying to be a global massive city. I love that. It could part of that's my phone.
Reminder, just check out.
But to I would say just walk around that. And that's the thing I loved about bicycles. When you see the world by bicycle, it's a certain speed. Yeah. And exploring like, when I go to a city, and I look up like best places to eat. I just go randomly walk and let my just organically things happen. I might meet someone on the street and just talk.
It might have already become quickly. Yeah,
yeah, just not texting or that's just me.
Alright, so the example is DHL delivery driver. Drop somebody off the day. You said What's in the box? It's a bike. Oh, my grandson rides bikes. My guy does he would and it turns out, I kind of know his grandson. Just Roubaix. Obviously, that's not because I know a lot of Bach communities, but yeah, Brunswick cycling club. But I will talk to anyone on the street, and I can find out more about them in five minutes than most they're probably partners. No, madam. And what what do you think that is? I just I'm curious. Yeah, I'm curious. And you never know what you're going to learn from someone that you can take mine is really interesting. Maybe Maybe there's something in that. Or maybe I might do that or that's, you know, maybe I know someone else. Or they'll see me in a way like, Oh, that's a really good advice. I'll check that out next time I go down Brunswick street, and
it's a smartphone curbing accuracy. DR.
Absolutely. Because literally, when you cut, you can be curious if you looking down.
I guess you also have curiosity and fee, right? Like we're trying to protect ourselves or whatever. And then so the smartphone is the pacifier for the fee, right? So we're listening to and so then it we end up creating these loops, where it's like, we're in a situation that we're rather than actually being tapped in and looking and making eye contact with people. If I can, scrolling. What's interesting, because it's, we use a euro movie, trying to remove fear, but think about how much fear is
projected through. All right.
I mean, it's this loop that you were I was
driving along the highway that runs along the ocean in California, and we pulled up we were in this little town and I pulled up next to this girl, and we had a Mustang convertible, she would have known that we were striving for her motto. Anyway, um, the rental and the rental. And we said, Wait, where's a great place was about ready or something like that. And she's up here, my favourite place out there. There we went. It was so cool. There's rooftop bar looking down to the ocean. You could see the surfers The sun was going down. It's like doing that kind of shit living. And I actually being curious to ask people. Yeah, take someone's laid, you know someone's experienced something before. That's a
trained skill, though. I don't know if you've listened to Malcolm Gladwell style rules for life. But he talks about it because it was it's Jordan, Jordan Peterson Peterson who developed the first one. But he was saying other people have subsequently. There aren't any nitpicks from other people and said curiosity is a skill, or is something that requires training. And every time you use an example of someone, say every day, go out for dinner, choose something from the menu that you would just not even wildly thing. And sometimes it might be great. Sometimes it might be not. And it's one of those things is getting curious, is one of those things that obviously, I'm trying to the point where I'm totally curious, and my daughter, oh, my God is like, Hi, she just randomly shouts at PayPal. Hi, nice bike. Yeah, she sees it in May. But it's one of those things that people say I come so easily to you. It's because I've done it for so long. And my job effectively was, as a bot Korea was meeting random people delivering stuff to them and and then I would just strike up a conversation in elevators.
Did you do you remember the time that you were forcing it because it needed to be trained?
No. It was kind of it can introverts be curious?
Absolutely. I in? Yeah,
they can. I guess it's what you're describing is the action. I think that we own a curious on, but I feel like a lot of us are curious. But the fee overpowers a curiosity or so for instance, it's like, I'm curious about what that food is. But the fear of having a bad meal. Like if we remove the fear of like, as you said, it's okay to have a meal sometimes, right. And the reward then is you'll try things that you never tried before on but it's definitely I guess, a different posture to be in the world in that way. It's, it's true. And look, it's probably like someone saying to me, it's not that hard to be organised. Yeah. So we organised August. Yeah, I think.
And I would say, Speak for yourself. It is. It is a cut. Yeah. So it's to look, it's just one of the things that has come easier for me. And it's one of those things that's once it's rewarded. It is momentum in
Yeah. I'm curious about what that doorbell was before. It was some kind of delivery that's come along. You have a you have a microphone. Yeah. It's
like desserts. Who's Cindy's?
I have no idea. There's no. Okay. Well bring them over. This is.
I can't remember his name.
Oh, this is the sound de
Yeah. Alex. Nice. Amazing. Yeah. He wants to say thank you. So what a
while now we've got dessert around microphones.
This is perfect.
He pretended Yeah, he brought the microphone. gronk.
Amazing. Oh, that was him at the door.
Yep. So he brought cannoli.
Oh, I love Oh my god.
It's like he's has that.
That's amazing. Thank you, Alex. Thank
you, Alex to go to Alex. But thank you.
You were talking about the being organised. And lacking it I have. There's been my biggest struggle I think in life is especially I started freelancing when I was 14. And I was I would always be up late, like, up Light up early. Because I was terrible with deadlines. like working with deadlines. I was always cramming and all that sort of thing. But I feel like it's one of those things where it needs to be productive to be happy. I'm happier when I'm organised, right when I've gotten shit happening. So this is the list, I've written 12 things that we're going to get organised with in August. My wife loves lists,
and it does help me the days that she makes lists. For me, I find that I'm so far productive. Yeah,
it feels good, doesn't it?
Yeah. Well, at least you can look back on the day and go far did. Yeah, yeah.
Well, you know, it's not like a list. It's just a form of measurement. Right. And so you seeing what can be capable? Otherwise, you're just doing shit? Not really, you just real list of
exactly. Well, at least is the same. You could align having a list with being an HP marketing manager, right. Like being in the
one of the things that I know, I learned in that corporate life. very brief window. So there were contractors, subcontractors and actual employees. It was the first I mean, I wouldn't say first actual discrimination that I kind of felt because they got perks and benefits. And there was a real divide. And I could sense that in the company. And were you an employee or a
And it wasn't a superiority thing. But all I would say that the employees probably felt slightly more superior to say, Come secure, but in an inn in a and I'm wary of this in any dynamic, if you create an awesome name, it's, it's divisive. And it just derives what can be
better, we can no longer be curious, I think, to your point, but to your point as well, right? Like if you if it is that awesome. All of that stuff, but I know like having worked at tech companies that happens within remote staff, like so when you have people who work remotely. There's a different culture there too, if you're in the office and all of that, but I want to go through the list the 12 things for the first 12 days, so yesterday was sorting out your wallet. Okay.
What's your the rest you know, all that so?
Well, so it's gonna be it's gonna be quick and easy. So like for me, here it is. Some organise it like I've organised them. Look at your bike map.
It's Manhattan. It's Manhattan. Is it? legit Batman? That's it's the subway map. Yep. Where did you get that from? Anybody? We're Yeah, we're all good.
It's just paper. It's time back. So the first experience have a topic was for one of our manifests memory Bay. It's basically waterproof highly durable paper and it's super thin super light. And all my primary credit cards are my phone now.
Yeah, I love that storey I love it like it really fucking have has a storey Yeah, so the the other things that we're doing so today, what I'm doing tonight is no fit phone in bed. That's one thing I'm organising. So I'm moving the charger from on the side. Yeah. Ben, go. Boom. So that's where do you get your phone at night or bed?
Yeah, I'll try not to I mean already looked at my phone way too much. So it's Yeah.
You bet when you're in bed. You still scrolling scrolling?
No, no, that's good. smell. I've had plenty. Yeah. And Ben is for sleeping. Yeah, sure.
Do you have a TV in your bed? God?
No. Okay, we're discussing that. My TV. So with our new joint, the layout, they engineer the house so the TV goes in the main area. And I just thought I do not want the central shared space in the house with to the tape baby. So it's not it's like around the corner. So what's in the focal point now? waiting to get like a mad pace about something that said this is a huge painting that my wife is it a dia that is what by one of our friends who's an amazing artist, and you're so gado. I feel like you really love D what is their relationship with the arrow? There's not it? Won't
they think he wanted to import it? You wanted to allow these in Australia and stuff? I don't know if there's some sort of direct.
Important now they
were brought in? Yeah, so there were deer farms likely and then they just released them. And that's what it's Simon's rabbits and why do you know so much about either just?
Well furious that so the first time I saw a deer in the gorge where I were leaving spend 90% of the time 11 did I see it the no way? Yeah. And then I got curious. And then I was seeing them all the time. And now I can take you right now to a part of suburban Melbourne and they'll all be heard of stags, and they're just an amazing creature. ID killed someone the other day though. Did you say that storey in the news? What we
just know reports a white man killed thousands of
you know, it's pretty crazy.
Yeah, drink two litres of water a day. How's your drinking?
Surely does. Does it count if it's got coffee in it? To die right.
So you think about it. You need to fix that? Yeah, I think that your passwords What? All the same? No, no, you need to use like a password manager. Like you should update them periodically. periodically.
Yeah. What else?
No. get a haircut and shed your the next What do you like with with that? You're shaving every day when you hit? You do it every day. Right razor shave?
That is seconds in the bar. Yep.
It's like super smooth. Oh, my we're on
next week moving places.
I couldn't grow Hey, I don't even want to head Hey, I was a runner. So that
had short hair for a very long time. And then towards the end of my follicle day, Hari Krishna head. So I had always very old basically shaved on top. This is when I worked in New York. Yeah. And I had like, the back was like the mallet starting from the top to the back on it. I feel like you know,
I feel like you would have scared me in the strike. Probably. Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's
what else is that? donate blood? That's a great one. Yeah,
so that's on the on the list. If you're in England during a madman. Anyway, meditate for 10 minutes a day. Do you if you meditated ever?
No. No, I'm gonna say no, no, but I do enjoy going for peaceful walks in the morning. Start Monday. Even if it's listening to music and podcasters that can probably
riding you doing some form of like, I mean, you wrote How long does it take you to get here?
A lot. drove into
private sock was my mate mark and in Fairfield. Then I rode the last 10 minutes. Yeah,
but I think it's it's it's meditative. Yeah. Have you been thinking
about getting a bike train? Or what do you think about them?
Why? I'm just curious. Yeah.
This is good. This is good to tell people. It's like that thing of going to the gym to ride a bike inside. Yeah, I look when I was half serious about going fast. I had an indoor trainer. Yeah. What about the trainer's
think of anything worse, I'm worried about getting hit by fun car.
It's easy to find you're looking down.
And look, that's a very look, one of the great things about indoor training is you're removing the risk of sugar and the weather. Yeah, things like that. But actually listening. I don't know if you listen to Tony Robbins.
Recently tonne of McGregor mike tyson below
the ice had mocked Chaucer. Yeah. And he talked about getting up at two o'clock in the morning garden running in the snow because he knew that whoever spotting wasn't going to do that he was willing to do sacrifice. And I haven't listened to any other podcast by Tony Robbins but I need to be willing to be hit by car. I've got to like like golf and be like, honestly, now in this age like Alex I worked for 10 years solidly all around the world riding a bike it's very dangerous now and I'm I would consider myself pretty highly experienced in men in managing myself in traffic. wouldn't do it now. It's mental people are not look you wouldn't like what wouldn't you do now? Right Bucher and yeah it's safer in the CBD because you have to kind of pay attention more in the CBD cars aren't moving as fast bouncing bourbon roads
on their phones.
Do you have like after all that stuff,
but I like that
bypass I think bike paths is where it's at and we've got awesome bike paths in the city. The next thing Phil water in windscreen wipers UK Yep. Okay. Updates social media profile pics. What's your profile pic at the moment is it even if your brand fix XS
it Yeah. I can take and you know I can tell you the last time I updated the logo I changed it the pink for the Giro of last year's
I really probably need to update it maybe why? Well it's on the list. Yes
I did it's a personal list so I gave it his all his list and he
said this is what everyone else that this is what the community of organise what
you're doing and if people want to
do a few more run three kilometres you run it all I used to love running I would love to get back into it. Let's organise it so that's great for we can
create up create an updated Spotify playlist you into somebody's listening to it listen to Spotify, not premium, but okay, you can still have a listen no premium that was
create them I don't know if you
noticed on the desktop version. You can listen to albums chronologically that but in the phone version, it's like a random shuffle I
had premium and then downgraded because I wanted a complete wipe of of like
you cuz you and your wife, but that was fun.
You should still bring us the number now of your subscription. Yeah, monthly subscription then it's like, if it's a big number, imagine what it would want
it Yeah, well, I mean, but the thing is, I ended up having to yet I didn't have to, but premium Spotify I feel like it's one of those things it's worth it because like it's a $20 out like imagine what we used to spend on CDs and any car gets broken into. And so I would say 11 know so it's 10 create a no that was 11 years sold out under us draw and buy new undies and socks did that two weeks ago by all the same brand Do You Do Is it
more or less?
Is it because they are so tattooed
on look look I don't unlike you and your previous career I walk randomise
locked and it's not like one of those things I got away just EY yeah it's like you your partner goes to great lengths to look amazing with their underwear I it's a simple thing Yeah, it's nice like nice and nice putting on what your brand of choice bonds or no no no
to as a big blog I think you made some joke about my my undies have an alpha on it Really?
Well okay that's because undies and socks. I think a big one I did a big happy socks order like a few years ago which lasted a while but the problem is they don't look great with short like a long
game. explorers I like I'm warm faith is like my primary need Nowhere Man I just work socks. You know? Like a very thick Yeah, like thick socks. I can warm feet. often do you change your shoes? My shoes? You're gonna get some. Come on. You should know the Georgia Georgia Indiana Jones is sick. three's man neck brace. Good. Andy, thank you so much for coming on.
My pleasure talking shit. It's now we get to waste on this
Yeah, we would. It would love to have you back on but it's our Instagram is where I feel like I say most of the stuff that we're spending most Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. FYXR. Yeah.
On Instagram. Someone asked me does it stand for Fuck you and then a kiss and a hug? I said no. It is an abbreviation of the first brand name. I read what was the first brand brand I think some atrocious Oh yeah, yeah, say why is it that? Is it?
relating to like fixie bikes.
Yes. So I wouldn't say bragging but if you are riding or if you see someone in Australia riding a skier, you can trace it back to me. Really? Why? Because I started
feet what was it not a thing I mean was definitely
not a thing. I used to go walk into bike shops, and people tell me I'm a fucking idiot. What does he was because you're wanting to fix snow
because I was riding them on the street before any or not before anyone because it's not a new thing.
What are people using them for? Like what was the
average age in Melbourne? There was two other people old Ron It was a Curia. And we got
Elvira had a rip co conversion painted pink and it was called the Boston and he was one of the most colourful characters and Melvin fantastic guy. And I'd come from London and that's where I discovered track box and no one in Australia and some people would say me writing mine like oh, what's what's with the backward one? Yeah, yeah, and no breaks. Well, I had a break for a while but then there was no breaks and and I just started sourcing that's really the the origin of the genesis of fix. I was a brain I was just buying and selling track box really to buy everything in Australia. I rang up every box shop in Victoria. I said you got any old track box and make a list and then I run around Victoria and scooped them all up and sold them to people all around the world. Can you break the phone bill was fucked up or back there to my mobile well the Can you
break like can you guys back? You can he can slow down
people putting their foot in the time now.
Yeah, there wasn't there was. There was a good trade, supposedly JO used to
break like, by gronk Yeah, actually,
I saw a guy today on a really pimped out track bar. And I looked at him like that's fucking dangerous. Yeah.
It could go fast. I don't know.
It's just a
it's a highly skilled version of riding a bicycle with very little margin of error. And when I was doing it day in day out I could do it without thinking right? And it was really good and but but curious who do ride the bike day in day out? get really good at it and Josh think about it. But then it was marketed to people who aren't real cyclists as a fashionable thing. It's dangerous being hipster. It is very hipster. You don't want your wallet there.
It's like it's the daily talk show. Andy thanks for coming on. My pleasure. I'd love to get you back on I feel like there's probably hours and hours of storeys Yeah, we can get you on for a good talk show will say tomorrow when Mr. 97 will have bleached hair, which we're very excited about. So this is the last time we'll see with cute little round girls. Thank
you so cute.
Right so so you guys are you guys