#397 – Julian Haig And Tapioca Flour/
- July 18, 2019
Julian Haig – he’s an actor in the hit drama series Riverdale, and a lawn bowls gold medalist who has spent the last few years appearing alongside some of the biggest names in TV. Today he joins us on the show.
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
– What a mainstream exposure does to you
– Meditation and vulnerability
– Family and support
– Selling yourself
– Love stories and dating
– Julian’s DMs
– Rejection and being the right fit for a role
– How to fix bloating
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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 397 and we got a special guest in the studio Julian. Hey guys. How's it going? Julian you're an actor. Yep. Are you more comfortable being someone else or being yourself right now? I'm not sure.
Is the character Yeah, good. Probably just start talking American accent feel better. My palms are sweating. I feel like on the plane ride back over here. I was watching free solo. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I feel like that right now the whole the whole time. My palms were sweating. Yeah, and I kept looking my posture Jesus like my palms. laughing with me watching one it like it was a similar one on Netflix. That was Valley at rising Yeah, rock climbing. Oh, yeah. Yes. Feel so pathetic sitting eating m&m like
so quickly. Well.
There's no chance of dying in this studio. Juliet. Yeah, well, yeah, true. Well, welcome. Hi. I haven't seen you in a couple of
Yeah, it's been a few I think so how long were you in Canada for all of about three years. And she's Yeah, shit. I came back for six weeks over sort of like that Christmas racing Christmas break. And I didn't know what was happening if I was going to go back to Canada and then yeah, they yeah the Riverdale lost me back and so you went back over the
backstory Julian I met through mutual friend Tommy Davidson's cafe patch Yeah. You working there many years ago and I used to come in and eat free food and but then you asked me to film and I knew your model. I didn't know you were delving into acting right and you say no I made Can you film a scene for my show real? Yeah, yeah. So am I responsible for getting you the role and Riverdale is that the show real all comes back to you.
brought you here we can we can totally let you believe that. Well the reason I brought you here is because
Is the showstopper, which is the the waffles at patch. I used to order them over eight. Yeah. And I asked Tommy to get into Tommy days here about finding out what the recipe was. And make the frequent Give it to me tapioca flour. fact we've got
is that really tapioca? Was it well, he actually was basically everything was just tapioca flour.
I guess that's because it was a Is it still
been there a few years? Yeah, still. It's still there. It's just multiple times. I don't know if they still do that they started serving grain.
You wouldn't want to if you bought it, is it highly I have a heavy burden one too, but sounds like things have changed the waffles a very fattening?
No But Tommy would never seriously never give me the recipe on that. He's a cat night.
belabour haven't asked me a couple years but we should but I'm glad we got it tapioca. Like the the Sirois of patch was based on the intellectual property of those waffles.
To be deal, Julian Oh, good waffles when you went over to Canada, so you went to show real? The one scene I guess probably probably shoot poorly. So yeah, a bit more backstory was I was working a patch Yeah. And I went to 16th Street actors studio. So that's why I sort of moved to Melbourne was to like study acting. And then yeah, we met and I was like, Oh, you're doing a bunch of video stuff. We got chatting about all of that. And then at the time, I was like, you know, I just finished acting school and I was like, Okay, I need to shoot a scene on get a shot reel together. And I was like, oh, maybe Tommy can film film it and we just put the same together. In hindsight, I mean, everything you do is kind of worth doing Of course for the learning experience. So nice was it was horribly feel.
It was feeling better than it was acted. No, I liked it. You know, the
show that was a scene from deadline bloodline. And also coming so funny, Amy and I, because when you're filming me, was it? Yeah. But so my wife was there. And we started running the same to each other after the day, because there's this one line where it's like, oh, yeah, you know, they brothers in these lines soon, you'll know. Then you'll see or something like that. Yeah, I don't remember if I think it was you. Kiss row. Yeah, saying this time. We kept saying to you for six months after that.
Like working on short films or whatever. Like, did you ever do even find that with dialogue? I could get this certain words that will get super sticky. For instance, like Tommy in a video on YouTube.
on our YouTube channel, actually, you're right. He says a laptop and a no bike. And now you can't if anyone says a laptop within our office, we all finished this.
Yeah, yeah. Did it get sticky for you? I think some bits have gotten sticky, but I guess
At the moment is because it's been a few months and there's nothing still there. But I think at the time Yeah, it's when you you hear something over and over. I don't know in some different ways you know, like you keep thinking about it. Well like stuff other people have said to you yeah, thinking about it and just keeps playing in your head. What's the weirdest thing is I have like, I have dreams, where it's like in Riverdale like that's probably
in the same place that is Riverdale, but sort of like yeah, the characters are kind of it is like, it's not the actors. It's the characters and stuff. Yeah, that's that So you went over it. But I guess because you're putting yourself in that mind frame world a lot. It kind of makes sense that you might have a dream. Yeah, it was repetition, right? You're trying to read this stuff digested? Think about it. Just really sort of burn it into your brain so that you can just pull on it. And so you're not having to say it like, yeah, it's a weird trick, right? You're trying to get in, you're trying to get it in your body. That's what I mean. That's the the the
Kind of where
the act is sacred dialogue.
And that just comes out naturally.
What is what is the actual strategy of remembering? So you mentioned being in the body what does that actually do to the memory game? Well, it's it because you're saying like, you gotta burn it in your brain. And I think that Why say you remember, my thinking is remember it. Like if you guys can be can
be dry I couldn't I can't remember she lose I would if there would be like a look by the end we want you to say like you don't agree with what the person saying I can improvise but the idea of like, I can be
like the Bank of like having that you need to hit every life. I have to remember a specific word. That's where they would right yeah. Okay. So I think the thing that helped me a lot was
This teacher Linda dollar in Canada she helped me with this a bit because this is kind of still is a bit like I have nightmares back to dreaming. I have I have nightmares where like, I haven't learned my script. Yeah. And then I've got to go perform it or I'm in a play or something. And I'm just like, yeah, it's like it's the actors nightmare. I think it's the same filmmakers is like not forgetting the camera the cars you want the car like all that. Yeah. Before coming today. I was like, What if I forget how to talk? What if I forget how to process my thought and I'm struggling right now. I'm surprised how many jobs a job not saying cleanings of our job. But do you think cleaners are having nightmares about cleaning like putrid toilets? So I mean, have you had a cleaner on the show? We know yet. Tomorrow. You might have to get one in to test it. Yeah, I feel this definitely hora would that would definitely be something would do. Yeah, yeah, I could imagine there's horror storeys of a cleaner, setting off an alarm or just fucking shoot up bleaching carpet or something.
Who was a clean? Yeah, me like so what's the difference? In dreams?
Yes. Did you have you spent any time in LA? Yeah, I just I just got back from LA yeah did a month there just crushing with a mate So did you go to Canada easy to get the the old visa visa or do you just wanted to go there? It's a long storey not the last show. So you can say short storey, I'm just moved there for acting. Yeah, and yeah, getting a visa is easy, but like I knew because my sister had done a bunch of series shooting up there already. And so I already knew like it was a busy place to be for acting was I think a lot of people they hear there's opportunity up there but they don't really have a it's not like it definitely is for them. Whereas I knew it was so I knew be a good move to like just base myself up there for a bit. Yeah, but then the longest storey is like I was in a relationship with a girl who tried to show I remember I remember her Oh yeah, yeah.
If you're listening, no, no.
No, we're still mate.
Yes, yeah. my mates tend to not like what I mean the risk. The risk is when people break up sometimes you might then get back together or you guys are cool.
Anywhere and your friends a lot. Yeah, she was just yeah. And then like yeah, and then like you get back together and you might see this law again. Now she's she's, I guess she's okay.
No, but I mean, yeah, it I moved there kind of with her she was from the States and she'd booked a show up there. And so I moved up there thinking like, Okay, I'm gonna get myself an agent get into it, and everything. And then we were going to basically be living together and we broke up after about a month. That's actually
And yeah, yeah, but there was a point I remember sitting in a car opposite her. And just thinking like are like yeah, this is going terribly. Yeah, but I feel like I'm meant to be here. Yeah, so it didn't feel like at times it felt pretty overwhelming like, you know, big moves can feel pretty overwhelming but it didn't feel like I was in the wrong place. Well, it seems like it's the most stressful thing you can do in any relationship is like moving house. Little line moving from one place to another side of the planet. Yeah, like test a relationship. It tests.
I mean, what's what's Vancouver like? Because I've heard it is beautiful Oasis with lots of heroin. Oh, yeah. Is it got like a big drug issue? I mean, now the heroin is great.
Nothing wrong with a heroin. Good stuff now. There's like a pocket in in gas town where it's like the real problem is like, yeah, a lot of overdoses in the one little area. So it's not necessarily the whole of Vancouver has a problem. Yeah.
It just seems like when you downtown and in gas town in that area, that it's a serious problem. It's just yeah, we've got to feel like an idea. I mean, you know, the Canadian but the closest thing to being a Canadian over Josh. I mean, I've been Yeah, I've been to Vancouver. You're from Toronto, Toronto. Three day delay. I didn't even hear the accent before. Really? Yeah. Well
I think I'm not actually I don't think I'm as changed into a more like I you know, you just hear an American accent or an Australian accent. Yeah, you don't think like oh, like different. you dislike its own. Yeah. She likes of Ozzy's though in Vancouver. heaps. Yeah. So do they stick? Does the accent stick out? So you what you're walking around you're hearing is a noisy? noisy? Yeah, it does. But like I'm saying like, I think after about three years, I'm used to used to have these big men and I've got so many made to Ozzie and Canadian. So it's kind of like you just use of the blend down. Remember at first, like when we're travelling in general at first it kind of like all
Here at OZ across the restaurant or the bar, you know, I can hear the tweeting from a mile away. Yeah, yeah. You just know. Yeah. So being on a show that's on Netflix. What is the impact that it actually has on like, your personal life? Or like social media? Is it just like people end up start following you? And what's the what's the process? yet? It's been interesting, because my role hasn't been like a massive lead on the show. But you had to top off so it helped. Yeah, that that follows right within the demographic. But not it's, um, it's been, I don't know, it's been an interesting kind of ride for sure. I mean, even just like internally, I think it's, it's something that you grapple with and struggle with, and I think a lot of people wouldn't realise the tough what, what is tough about that? And like, a lot of, you know, agents, managers and stuff talk about exposure and how good that is. And then it's funny how like,
I don't know maybe it's just me but like a lot of it and you guys are dealing with exposure to but like, I wake I walk down the street. Yeah.
It is hell.
But yeah, it's kind of a weird feeling when you feel exposed Yeah, yeah we're kind of confronting you look at I mean, their business model is for you to have maximum exposure to get you in front of more people to land yourself more work to get their money, right. So that's where management agents Yeah, they're thinking like, yeah, they talk in like momentum and yeah, yeah. exposure and hate Angela you say hate hate. What do they mean by hate? Hate means like, if you're hot, it means a lot of people are talking about you want you the way you have heat. Do you think I think you guys you guys feel pretty hot. You're on?
Are you feeling flush? Yeah, I do. I'm constantly flushing Megan country minute pool.
Do you think it's
something that you thought you wanted?
But then when it when you have a little bit of it, it's it feels different. Um,
I think I think I've been getting like I think it took me a long time I started acting a bit lighter I started acting it like 25 whereas I think a lot of people get into it, thinking oh yeah, I want to be famous or I want that and it it's a lot harder when you don't have really good reasons why you need like that for anything you do in life. You gotta have some solid reasons why I think it just won't happen it'll fall away or then when you get that thing that the reason why wasn't very I don't know. True for more like deeper, they kind of just like you end up in a pretty no weird headspace maybe we've got a few options right. I think the the one about fame can serve you
on your journey across time upon reflection, right, so you can go I want to be famous, I want to be a presenter. I remember thinking something around that. Yeah. But then I worked out that to be a presenter required holding up a camera filming shit. And then I'm like, Fuck, I love making video. I love fall in love. So it's like, you know, you might want to be famous, but then you've discovered the thing that you want. So in some senses, it can be the thing is if you pop in that time, right, if you put in the if your heart if you hate your own hate, in the time that you go, I want to be famous, and then you go do one audition. And if I can become famous, yeah. Imagine the downhill. Like just the narcissism that you grow your ego be out of the world. Yeah, I want to feel sorry for people that hit it big as a kid, because then that's so much of your identity is that and then everyone sees you as that and it is it is tricky. I think a lot of people like those guys really struggle with it whereas you know, getting into
A bit later on, and
I don't know, I kind of feel like a bit more grounded in it. And if anything, you know, I find, I find like, I got to put myself out there. Almost more like the way I do my Instagram and my Instagram storeys and stuff. I feel like my ego actually chills out a bit when I do
put that stuff out there because I feel like Personally, my ego is saying like, don't like, don't, don't put yourself out there like, what are people going to think of this, like, this is rubbish, this is silly, and then you do it, and then your ego kind of dissipates. And it doesn't really have a leg to stand on, because you've just done it. And you know, and a lot of the time the feedback is positive. And it's like, oh, that was really yeah. And because you're an actor as well. So when people are watching you, they're not watching you. They're watching a character on screen. And so probably social media, the difference between being present and doing the acting. It's more you presenter
Yeah the funny another funny thing with with Riverdale and that character is like, he's a bad guy. Yeah. And he's, he's an asshole. And
very much who I am as a person.
And, and yeah, I think at first, I was worried that people would and it's probably anytime you play like a character like that and you're worried that people are going to think
you're an asshole like yeah and then it's funny that I think that that's your ego saying like, be humble. Be nice, be be good be seen to be good. But
But then, yeah, same thing, then you go and play this asshole on TV and then you find and then
generally the feedback has been, you know, I yeah, he's, he's such a he's an asshole. Like, we hate that guy. Yeah, but we kind of we like watching him and that's sort of what I was. Like, what I was aiming for was like, Okay, I want to be this guy.
enjoying doing bad things? I don't want to be the the evil guy that's like, you know, like, screw you like, yeah, I want to be the guy that's like Screw you, you know, like, kind of having fun. Like, I don't think bad guys are really sitting there being like, I'm such a bad guy. Yeah. I don't think anyone thinks like, cool about it. Yes. Yeah, like the ultimate example is Heath Ledger, I think in a doc in doc night where he he's just like playing this guy who's bad shit crazy and doing some really awful things. Yeah. And then he's enjoying it. And it's felt real. Yeah. And I think was one of the first times people like whoa, like this guy. And that's why I think people kind of held that up as such an amazing thing. But you know, I'm crazy. Like he he's just like, when when he did the job. He's just like, I'm not crazy. And it was just that simple. And it was like, wow, this guy's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Being home. Is there a bit of pressure? Do you feel people asking the same questions you feel like over and
Yeah, yeah. What are they asking? Yeah, what's five questions, the Paleo Recipe? The show?
Yeah, just put on saying the recipe. Has Riverdale going to tapioca flour
yet is kind of the same thing over and over. And it does get a bit kind of
I don't know, like it kind of adds to a bit of stress in a way, because there's a lot of uncertainty. So like, I don't know what's coming up in the next few months, whereas most people with their regular day jobs know they're locked in for something for the foreseeable future, and what that is financially and everything. Whereas I'm still like really beginning in a way like this is my first reoccurring role on a show.
And so like there's just so many question marks up ahead, so that when people are like, Oh, how long you Melvin for? That's that's kind of the first question and I just say, I don't know yeah.
It's, it's a funny thing. I don't know, maybe I need to have a better answer. So I feel more like six months.
I mean, say something that's all they want to guess. I mean, they're asking it is arbitrary, right? Oh, they're asking you still on the show. Like, he's a nice way of saying, Are you still on Riverdance? Or is it like, Why think it's just chit chat? I think it's like the first bit of banter. Yeah. Low Level banter. But I mean, what what are some of the questions?
What what are good questions? Do you think if you were to design a conversation that you would like to have? What would you like people to ask? Oh, he's not that question. Yeah.
That was to
think of anything. That's a hard question. But it's not. The thing is that for livestreaming appreciate
the people who are in Melbourne, it's the only reference but the reference point they have is IO. You're where I am now. Yep.
Yeah, that's cool. Like, and so they're doing it because it's I don't know, because I think it's a common having travelled not so I think.
I think also, it's kind of that question wouldn't be so tough to answer. If I felt better about the situation. Yes, I think and it's just part of the journey as an actor is like, you have to be kind of comfortable in the uncertainty. You know, it's when you kind of like getting that head. Fuck can I say? Yeah, great. Okay. The head fuck. I'm just like, yeah, that uncertainty. And then it's like, what that uncertainty produces is like, more uncertain. Yeah. And more uncertain. I think. If my mom and dad, I mean, sure, they probably have asked over the time that I'd create my own business about work. Like, if you go to new jobs, like what you would start being that feeling of like, I'm going to live in that world. Yeah. And you get better at living in that world of uncertainty. Yeah. And the unknown. I mean, your sister, she was on limit limitless. Yeah. I love that show.
That just finished. I didn't fund it moving forward just in one season. Yeah, it's bullshit. That was great. It was a great show. I don't know what happened. But I mean, that's uncertainty you you're on the show where she was main. Yeah, exactly. And here's the thing, it just doesn't end because, like, she's a lot further along in her career than I am. And she, you know, should be feeling more certain, but just, you know, when she's out of work, find employed.
She goes through similar stuff. So similar feelings of like, Oh, am I ever going to work again? Am I you know, am I going to, and it's just, it's just fear. And it's, I don't know. Yeah, it's fear and saying you want to grasp on to safety of like something. What's the answer, though, of someone that you think would be in certainty? Like, what is that answer? I've got a six year contract with a network is then isn't that's the thing too is i a lot of those people are unhappy because they're locked to locked in. And there's something about active personality.
Then work towards the uncertainty as well. So it's a mixture you need both. You know, I think how long and Melvin
is the solid answer? No, honestly, I think if you actually be more honest, then I don't know. Which is true.
I, what I think is like, if I, if I do go back on the show this season, it'll be like a few episodes into the season like three or four or five, when they, you know, run out it characters, and I get it go. Yeah, well, I think part of part of it is that asking that question, someone asking that question, because it's playing into uncertainty. It is revealing personal information that you don't really need to give as well, like, so. Anyone can ask.
No, no. Well, I guess
there's no question.
I'm taking a personal question on this one.
I think there are there are times where it's like you having to explain
You're the future of your work and waiting on the fact of X y&z and I'm waiting for this deal and that deal. It's actually like, it is like that. If you find if that was the question, then you wouldn't like it. You wouldn't keep people asking it because it sounds personal, but it's Trojan horse in it in some ways, because it's like, Okay, what are you doing? It's sort of like asking, what are you doing next? Yeah, totally. And it's kind of like with parents, like because you've got a baby now, or 211. Exactly. So.
So it's like people saying like, oh, So when's the next one? Yeah, yeah. And I think women feel like, I just popped one out. Yeah, give me a break. Yeah. Why do I have to think about that right now? I just had birth, but probably next year.
About I'd say,
about seven months.
Seven months is a good like that could be a number that we could use going forward that if anyone asks you
Anything seven months and you don't want to give an answer
that everyone thinks of when you when you know when you say seven between one, one and 10 Yeah, seven. Yeah. What sort of that's why? Yeah, I mean, I think I did say So what's a daily ritual like for you? Like, what are you? What are you consistently doing? Most days at the moment? Generally, I like to meditate every morning while using an app or how you sometimes
generally, I just do 20 minutes. I shot focus on my breath. And then sometimes I'll do it eyes open. And I found like sometimes doing eyes open helps me kind of ground where I am. So with a lot of travel, I think it's helpful like I was in LA just for four weeks, and then I'd come straight from Vancouver. And you know, you wake up and you kind of like, Where am I like, hang on, so Okay, so this is my reality today. But if you if you spend time kind of meditating, eyes open, I think he
Kind of absorbing your environment can look at Instagram at the same time.
I meditate a lot
instead of wouldn't be great. Wouldn't it be cool if Instagram meditation? I'm saying yeah, that's what I'm saying. But it wouldn't it be great if Instagram if there was a version of Instagram? Yeah, where that just to scroll exactly this scrolling was
like yeah, just now, like, count you scrolls one to
actually saw an advertisement for a meditation app. And it was on Instagram and it said, for even one two and Canada six yeah Bry that kind of down from six. I'm like, oh, what's like a video showing that? Yeah.
Yes, soothing me.
How is this possible? Well doing it I'll be
doing i didn't know i open meditation just before using an app and I'd never thought it was a thing. I opened my
Right. Yeah, I didn't really put a pillow on your face.
It was the light was beaming down. So I just wanted to say the purpose. No, no, it was just, it was, it was like a hat. You could see that and so I could still say, right, but I had this moment where I were you walking around me? Josh was walking around and the other guys he was meditating was like, he's, he's having a meltdown or he's meditating, lying down on the couch, he's having a mental
but I was like, I remember thinking for a moment wonder what you're thinking about what I'm doing. And then I had a snowball of right thought then went into how I used to feel about what people thought of me. And I think I've done a lot of work I think over the years from when I was a young teenager and and thinking about what other people thought of me and it was a big thing I wanted people to think right things off today like yet I don't know.
we're in a business where we need to kind of K what people think of us because we want people to like us. We don't want to be like, what's a feed back? You gotta get like, you know, actual constructive feedback. And I think over time you realise like all the more I just actually enjoy myself more people enjoy listening and watching Yeah, what you do, I think if you're in law in alignment with yourself, and you feel good about that and so then you can sort of outwardly project that and then people feel good about that and so whether they like that are not you you cannot all you are in control of is how you feel about you. Right? So if you're feeling bad
yeah, cuz I guess the the because I've noticed when I'll be feeling bad, and then I'm being like, I'm enjoying myself and then I'm like, Oh, geez, imagine like, what the reaction or like the responses for everyone else. How, how much of that you should just go because I
recognise that I can see I'm conscious enough to see Yeah, but I'm not yet conscious enough to actually like, Oh, yeah, I'll be happy to like oh shit I'm being a twat. Yeah, exactly like it's almost all that Yeah, yeah. And like it was even today brace it can you
like the better part of that but it was also to do with the car and calling the mechanic because the steering wheel is has slightly moved since I got the tire fix the other day anyway, Bray says no wheel alignment. And then she said to me she asked me two days ago Can you call the mechanic and do it like your one job? And then this morning? I hadn't done it and then she Yeah, she said
I gotta fix the handle for mom.
But she did so she said can you just do it for tomorrow? Can you Call now and get it booked in for tomorrow? And then rather than just being like, yeah, or like I said, You know, I actually don't think we need that.
which is just
standing my ground on this one. Yeah. Which she ended I just I got a calendar invite before she booked it in for 1pm. But what what did I did end up texting and being like, Hey, I'm not feeling great. Sorry about that. Yeah. And so it was all good. Yeah. It takes a lot to admit like, oh, okay, I reacted and yeah, we're constantly you always react as a human. I think it's a human trait. Having these emotional responses by the work is how quick Can you come back from it? I think that's Yeah, definitely. Go aside. And also have your voice and go like Actually, no, you know what you were out of line to?
Be honest, what I find Have you I mean,
thank you in the car on the right up the wheel alignment issues. The cars wonky all the way
Know with my sister. Yeah. Because I Yeah, we got in the car it was me her and her brother in law and, and I had to call someone back and was someone hadn't spoken to in months. So I called her back and then we would we were chatting for a bit and then my sister was like, Can you can you make this call another time? Yeah. And I was like, excuse me? Like I felt like I was super rude and I was I was like and it's you siblings yeah commodious me it's more like hate again. We'd like those closer relationship school so I was just like, Okay, and then as I then I was just like, Okay, I think I can need to call you back might call me back later. And Becky holding it like it was
it's the countdown.
I had the headphones in. So then like we'll kind of blowing up at each other for a bit and then she was she was telling me while I was being rude all of a sudden I was she was being rude and like
You know, in her defence like I, I, I wasn't trying to have like a really long winded personal phone call, like, just take over the car space for that whole time. But I just wanted to chat to my mate who I'd hadn't had a chance to. Yeah, there's no like real right or wrong but then she was well many both defending and then I think what's great about maybe I think a lot of acting classes and that sort of stuff kind of you get so used to vulnerability and putting your ego aside. So you get you kind of
get the ability to put your ego aside and go hang on. Okay, like I'm set off here.
You know, what can I How can I listen to this person as well and then you know, and I think and yet being vulnerable, we get emotional. I got really emotional. And then I was just like, at some point, look, I'm I'm sorry, but I was also like, you didn't need to be
part of it is human. She said sorry, as well. So so good. Yeah. But wait for
says things quickly.
I mean, because part of it too I recognise your being empathetic to your friend who was speaking to on the phone so you were thought that you were doing the opposite of being rude which is like being present with someone back calling someone back and being in that moment and that's what's always hard is when then someone else I need you on the call right back
then then someone saying hey you're being rude Yeah, yeah I can like blow you away because it's not like I'm doing the absolute opposite. such little things kind of blow you away and like you your ego your defence is kind of like fire right up and it's such a small thing but really possibly setting off stuff that goes way back in your you know relationship that person you know, like you know with a sibling like you do with families been arguing. I've been arguing with her since I was born. Well, we're trying to work this out at the moment because I had a on Saturday I went to a breakfast with my family. And it was just like, the only nice thing they said all they didn't sign up nice thing about the podcast, the only thing that had to do with
Though drilling me on the numbers and how many people we have listening and watching and I asked one of my siblings, do you want to come on the show? And you're like, Listen, three's a crowd. And he said, No. And so I was like, Okay, these are all these negative experiences compounding. Yeah. When like, when do you say, Okay, well, we're family and we just deal with it and all that sort of thing. Yes. There's when do you just say, you know what, like, the negativity that every single time I'm in this and I'm having these conversations, it's actually not worth it? I think what's worth it is having the conversation, which is harder, which is having that vulnerable conversation and going like, Hey, guys, maybe it's sort of easy one on one sometimes, but like, Hey, guys, like, I'm just feeling not supported in this area. And I think that's the thing that people won't do is they won't say that because it makes them feel sad or afraid to, to earn that, that we actually need each other's love and co
yeah, actually come to a place where someone go like, oh, wow, I didn't realise you were feeling this way, you know? And at the same time, I think the more you start to own what you do, yeah, like, before I started acting, I think you hear the negativity you and you hear how hard it is, and a lot of people would before you commit to that career, a lot of people will tell you how hard it is. And then as soon as you commit to it, people will still tell you how hard it is. But you stop caring, you know, and you just go like, well, people are doing it. Yeah, I think then you also are making a living from everything. Having to just that turn and having to have that conversation. If we look at what what we need to do in life, it's usually the hard thing will get the results. Yeah, hard conversation. Not hard work necessarily. But yeah, that emotion, the vulnerable. The upstream, I guess, like, time doing it, it's a bit. The other thing too, is I think the only thing that
would give me more anxiety than my family thing. Main is the idea of my family being nice to me as well like the idea of mom. Yeah, just been like, oh geez, I'm so proud is like
you're making me feel really weird. My ears are ringing. I don't know why yes sometimes happens when I get stressed. Oh, yeah, that happened to you can't relate now. No, I'm joking. No, no. Geez, I could be partly my tonight. tinnitus. It depends. Anyhow, that's such an interesting conversation, but I think it depends. Because sometimes I think a parent can kind of be like,
using what you do to identify, like, help them identify as a person. I think that can be kind of uncomfortable to me, because I'm just like, No, no, like, you know, that doesn't make us who we are. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? So when it's just like, genuinely, I'm really proud of you. I think that's great. But then when it's like, well, one of two things, what if it's like for the gratification
Or if it's like for my gratification or validation. I think that's I don't know. That's where you start getting like codependent Yeah, no land rather than, like, it's great to kind of depend on your family to help you. We gotta remember also, just because they are a parents, we view them in life as the people that told us how to be, you know, they brought us into this world and so there you hold them up. Whether you like it or not, I think just from a look at how my son looks at me is like, I'm is fucking hero. I'm the boss, you are. Mine. I can I can lift you in the one I like, you know. And so I think we're feel like I you know, this thing's from 97 looks at you like that.
So much, but we grow up like that. It's hard to sort of shake those patterns. And then you realise we're adults. They're adults. They're flawed. We're flawed. We're all fucked up. Yeah. Hundred percent. It's everywhere. Everyone's just kind of winging it. Oh, yeah, I thought about this yesterday, I saw my my neighbour who's probably 11 or 12.
just riding his bike to school. And I just thought like, he's just riding his bike to school completely in the moment, just like, not really a care of the world. But as adults, we're kind of like, we're kind of driving that car to work thinking like, like, Am I doing the right thing? Is my wheel alignment? Right? How am I going to confront my wife on this topic? Yeah, I know, there's kind of like a trust that kids have with Yeah, like the kind of just going to school and, and all that stuff. It's like, everything's kind of taken care, like some A lot of things are taken care of, so they can kind of just go on the journey. So I think then then growing up, there's a part of you that just needs to be like hanging that's okay. Like we're taking care of everything. Just trust. I mean, trust is once again, like for actors especially, it's like essential and what I found in acting school kept coming back to that I got I would take notes and then I'd be like, you know, like, you just get to a certain point and at the end of it all yours like ours and you trust myself, right? Yeah.
Trust your abilities. It's like I was thinking Have you had those moments? I'm sure you haven't probably all have when you're in a conversation with somebody and you just feel this hyper focus back on yourself. Were you thinking about your fucking face? Thinking about it all? And it's your is your explaining my experience right now? Yeah
it's that's a good one we're just trying to get me to do I know. I know when it happens and and when I'm when I'm when I'm focusing on self more versus opening up because I've had a few moments where I feel that that's the difference between I think self consciousness and self awareness. I think people get really confused with that. And I got really confused with that and bogged down in that, like, I think maybe maybe it's part of the process. But like in acting school, I remember working at patch. And when I first started there, I'll be flying around making jokes, everybody. And then one of my first weeks in acting school out we had, we had Kerry Armstrong was our scene study teacher. And she said to me, Julian, stop trying to get everything
Right. And I was like, holy shit. I'm trying to get everything right all the time. And then I was working at patch. And I caught myself and I was just being so self conscious because just like any I was carrying a coffee around I was putting it down like oh my god, I'm just trying to get this right. This is so bizarre everything I'm doing this interaction and just yeah, I think I and then I let something that helps me with acting is like, Okay, let's try and get this take wrong. And then interesting stuff would happen. I think I'll just relax in my pocket. I can just it was depression not there to get it. Right. So do you think the takeaway you start doing everything spontaneously and different, instead of like, the planned way? And I don't think it's really our fault. I think we've been conditioned. Think about school, like everything you do in school is tested, and it's bad to get things wrong. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. Yeah, I totally right. Austin Klay on the book. What's the latest one that I was reading, actually?
Keep going, keep going, Mr. 97. That's not the title of book.
He's just encouraging us I think
one of the practices for artist photographers painted what you know actors is to
it's just a passage in it. I don't think he came up with it, but it was about doing something wrong. Is that similar or right doing a bad painting? So like it right actively make bad art? Yeah. So, you know, I raise you up? Yeah, yeah, I remember my mom was my mom's a painter. And she was doing an exhibition she was getting she was pumping out so many paintings and she got to a point where was like, you know, three weeks out to the exhibition. And she was just feeling really stuck. And I said, Well, have try this and get it smaller canvas and just paint something that feels wrong. You know, like, putting like, brown when you think you shouldn't be using brown and you know, I don't know how to really paint. Mr.
Brown not good.
Does it say saying,
yo, Bach, but I'm
But then yeah, the end result. Like it's one of my favourite pieces of her work and it didn't go in the exhibition. She just gave it to me. What is my favourite like one of my favourites of hers, it's so abstract and weird. And it I think it does speak there's a depth to it. It's really interesting. But then, you know, she kind of felt like for you. There's something called the McDonalds effect. And it's if you if you're trying to work as
a shitload and get
this then you'll stop caring.
You'll let go.
Have you caught
a first fat sound effect in the new studio did that.
get to that point. The
the idea of the McDonalds effect is if people trying to work out what to have for dinner if you're in a group scenario.
Yeah, it's always fact no one can decide. Yeah and so what you do is you say How about McDonald's and by throwing out a bad ID it inspires good ideas Mike what happened at your household?
Your ideas boy Josh
go get my car keys
know the fish never really did the Philadelphia my wife loves him. I was a little fish growing up where are you? Yeah, we'd little creative kid yeah
yeah I remember I went to McDonalds
little artsy KD wait much junk food. Look at it.
Since I've been home it's been awesome having some home cooked meals yeah with my with from mom and my sister better
Yeah I think living in North America you can't avoid it. You just can't like I was living opposite and in now burger. Oh God I had it twice and Where was that? What was your spit? Where was it? Yeah Studio City. Okay, you do know the specific
I my favourite in and out is the one next to LIX and I
get a burger we did Episode 320 200 yeah 200 G's. Yeah. And we had yeah the planes going because you can say like it's my two favourite things burgers and planes and they come real close good fun yeah why don't you hide in the now and it was your thing I didn't yeah I didn't really like it it was a bit gross I mean that's a good visit I feel like chips would cooked badly Really? No it's just because he's quite different it yeah they just like they just fucking it's like you will imagine that they've just got to pretend and then just fucking sort of slice it up like it's real rough that don't take off the ski. Yeah, you see, it's on the area. I've always just taught like
That's another thing with my laziness. How chips should be like cut up potatoes. Yeah, but just
sort of like being re or whatever. Yeah, yeah, so what like Pringles are just like mashed into a tennis can and do not like Pringles
nothing it's pretty cool I love bring another delicious I'm furious that they are now like so much smaller like they like that when we were young boy Yeah, how do you get your hand in there? I might struggle What do you think the actual not the kind of small minds game small and hardly fizzy. Look at those mitts. You kind of get that in a drink. Okay, these if anything they need to make them want. Oh, yeah, it's it's literally that no, it's we should get some Pringles
if we get some Pringles Yeah.
Seriously, it's probably less lucky. Like hey, can we get some bagels more like Pringles
a little bit. Oh, did you have like what was your
I wouldn't say that. Did you have a trailer? Yeah. And what do you eat their food? What's the food like? The food's great? Yeah, I'm generally most mornings i'd rock up and
you know, you will
die. I am actually yeah they don't do but they don't do musically in North America
Yeah, that's common.
I can canola flower or the
Know I discovered
granola arts. I started. Orange Orange. You like porridge? Yeah, I started having it the other day. Three day deals mom sent over some maple syrup and I've been travelling.
Back on maples here. He's having Whitaker and all of them. Yeah.
I'm saying you having granola is dried fucking nuts granola with honey and maple syrup. Some kind of sounds fairly healthy I'm pretty sure in the states it's just like high fructose corn syrup. Yeah, like a cake of it and then just a couple of nights
and so you know a bit of muesli and so most mornings I would get I would get to set and then order a breakfast burrito that was my kind of meal a choice to start the day. Yeah. bland the veins North American get a lot more black beans and you can get here disappointed we have Mexican Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah, yeah. And so with so no catering. The catering is great. And they also have Crafty Crafty craft services. Like the nicknames crafty. Yeah. Have you guys ever been on a film? big fucking not like I mean we're on IMDB but I am Yeah, the daily talk show is not well, this specific guest appearance will appear as himself on your right
I want to get your people that's actually why I'm here.
Very quickly before we get to the Crafty stuff, is it on your IMDb? It says that you want a gold medal in the University Games alone bowl correct. Player Yes. Funny too is like I'm going to a mate of mine. Glenn who's in the team. He he put that on there.
He edited my IMDb well Chris Josh said it was on your IMDb and I was thinking why would that be on your ID inside job?
Yeah, by the grace of God is
Grace got it. Grass cut is ya know, we played Yeah, I got into long balls at uni. Does that mean you just can't play casual You know, a lot of people doing casual lawn bones. Right nowadays.
started off as barefoot balls and we started the club at ECU and Perth. Yeah. And then we started throwing like parties and then we started we had before I got into
They had a team go to uni games. And they, I think they they won the bronze medal. And then the next year I joined the team, and then we and then we Yeah, we started throwing like end of semester parties. Yeah. And because you know, like, yeah, the aza unis don't really do, like frat or anything but like we kind of had this big club going. Yeah. And then, yeah, then we started getting right into the ball. So the balls club that we that we played at and that we did beautiful balls at. They asked us to play like penance. So I started playing Saturday pennants footballs for the SAA. edoema in Perth against seven year olds. Yeah, I'm really loving it, but like you think about it. I got pretty good at it. Yeah, yeah. Well then and then yeah, then we won like
the gold medal two years in a row at the uni games, which is like it's funny because uni games is just a piss up like you just get like blackout every night. But we still
Took the bowling pretty seriously and we wanted to win. Yeah. And then what's funny is that me and my mate cam played in the club championship pairs for that club, and we won. So if you go back to that club in Perth, you'll see like cam Adams Julian Hague club championship pairs. Whatever year it was the and then for the first two years that you're a lone baller at a club playing pennants, you're considered a novice. And so then they have the club champion. novice championships. Yep. Me championships. And then um, yeah, I, my mate cam, he came runner up in the state for that. And then the next year I I couldn't do it that if for some reason, but then next year, I want the club championship. Yes, whatever it was novice, and then you go, yeah, you go into the Western Australian state novice championships. And I won that somehow. singles and I want 400 bucks. And then it was so funny because I had I had blogs from like other clubs coming up and being like, yeah, so
Have you ever thought about playing anywhere else? So trying to poach me?
Maybe I'm moving back to Melbourne. I might like I've been playing tennis and then got into balls I think I might go euphoria crack
long balls and international game and now it's at the Commonwealth Games I've got in Canada, England. Okay. Yeah, cuz net bowl is one of those ones that's like, Americans will look at net bond like I want is this. That's my American accent. Oh, yeah, that's pretty good. Thank you. I could do Ryan Seacrest as well.
It's Ryan Seacrest here. It's not
good on its
video. Wayne, Josh. And Ryan ZE press here. It's because I do it too fast. It's Ryan Seacrest. Here it's too It's too annoying. It's nasal a because of that man. And he's not that. He's cool. That I think. I think maybe Yeah, dial it up, dial it up a bit more.
Tyler, crafty, you're talking about the crowd noises craft services so it's basically there's like a separate truck and it's from two unit white so there's unit which is like Melbourne, Australia that you're saying the unit track well yeah so unit is like food can you tell us like the difference is that maybe maybe they call it crafts and they call it craft service in the okay going, basically basically there's usually a tent set up with just food that'll be there all day and there's people taking care of that. Because like you do forget how many people are working their long hours in Australia we call it unit all day unit. Yeah, where this is food. Yeah, that's food. Which is weird because second units out filming and then you've got rotten unit. That's just fucking like, you can get some chippies, you know?
Yeah, then maybe not. So many people are on syphon you know, you'd rock up for a day shoot. Well, how many people are they for an episode? Where they doing model episodes? Do you mean you mean crew? Yeah, crew.
alteration completely depends.
Because yeah it depends on the same because if you've got if you're including extras as well, like we did this same and it was like a Casino Night at this you know her her speakeasy Veronica speakeasy and there was something like 60 extras on set which is like you wouldn't think that need that many people but yeah they they get them on hand and dress them up and and so then sounds annoying I've seen Ricky devise his show yes they all seem to know
I love that show is there any similarity between odd spying on yeah yeah I've done a bit of extra work before and I just remember the conversation the funniest thing to me is that extra sit around getting annoyed at sitting around when would you want a job What did you What did you think hey what did you think you were getting into? and beer you're actually doing a fairly easy job like you don't have to do anything because I want to be the person at the front that I need to maybe like when you when you're an actor if you when you get a Michael
Your biggest your biggest role? Can you then do you still feel like you can go down and do the extra work and all that sort of thing? Or is there a sense of like, I'm not touching anything below what I'm working on? I see we say, Well, I mean, I think the thing with I don't think I do extra work, mostly because like if I was to do i mean for a few reasons, but like, if I was to be an extra on a show, then I couldn't act on that show. Yeah, sure. later on. Yeah. If they've seen my face, yeah. It makes so much. It's literally like we wouldn't be digital content producers for another company or something. Yeah, and then I think,
I don't know when it comes to taking roles. I kind of think it's a bit like that. Like, I think some agents they call it burning their actor where it's like if they if just say an actor books a role that's like one line. And I've done plenty of those but like, if they book that then they can't do the bigger thing. Like within that show. You may
Yeah, in that show, so I think sometimes that might be a decision that people make is like Oh, we don't want to burn him on that.
But a tie project related sort of
Yeah, don't want to be called VI kid but the funny thing is you would assume that burning US and Canada
is Vancouver really cold as well. Yeah, winter. Yeah. Make sense?
That's really not in Vancouver right now. He's middle of Vancouver have the rain because Toronto where three day deal is from it gets really muggy. It just kind of thing. It's gets real muggy in the summertime. qubit Yeah, humid, New York is like that too, right? Yeah, they're pretty cool. I
never been to New York, but I'm just assuming I went to New York when they had like 10 days straight of like 110 imagine you in jeans and jump. I was it was disgusting. I was just playing Jason jumpers. Yeah.
way this was very humid Yeah. And it was just like the air b&b. I had had no light and so I'd wake up at like 10 and not you want to wake up early when you're travelling but I was up at like 10 in the morning and then just going out with
no idea Julian what's what what do you sort of what's next for you? What do you
I'm happy I'm a dancer. I didn't want it
so if we're so
what you're waiting for Yeah, so there's things that you're waiting for. It's a bit of like a choose your own adventure. But how am I Yeah, well, you don't really have much choice audience I you choose the adventure.
being clear on what you want that sort of main thing and then that can help numb that pain of
uncomfortable and sort of unknown, right? Like, I know where I want to get to. And so that's where I'm going. Yeah. Well, that whole visualisation thing is it's a funny, it's a funny one, but it sort of has happened the whole way so far, is like, even at a point where, to the point where I was, I was overseas doing other stuff, and then I kind of was just like, okay, I want to go to acting school. And then I saw, okay, I'm going to support myself working in a cafe, going to an acting school, and that's going to be my life, you know, doing that. And then at a certain point, it was, you know, okay, now I see myself with an agent auditioning for stuff at a certain point, like I wasn't, you know, doing self tapes going out for auditions. And that was just an idea. It's weird how then it happens. And then you know, and then I kind of, even when I was here, Paul, the reason I didn't really want to stay in Australia and in the industry here was because I kind of felt like I wasn't going to get much of a crack.
I'll just be seen as kind of like, Okay, he's like, you know, he's like, he's done modelling and this is, you know, he thinks he can act kind of thing. Whereas I just felt like if I go over there, I'm a better shot at getting seen for roles. And they're not like it's funny thing but like being good looking, won't hold me back.
Which I What do you think that was a model as a model who's because you're a model first and then got into acting that and how it sort of came about like Will you do photography specific stuff? Yeah, yeah, I've done I started modelling like about 21. And I'm, I'm really glad that I did it because they kind of push me outside my comfort zone to a certain point, like there was a time when I just was scared to get in front of a camera. And even just, you know, you just kind of, Okay, what do I do with this? And then you you pushing yourself outside your comfort zone with more movement, more expression, but then it gets to a point where you're like, oh, what about speaking What about my voice and then and even telling a storey and like I grew up
Pretty crazy family dad, dad's a script writer and back in the day director and producer, and I think we were around that stuff a lot without even even knowing it. I, you know, how we've connected a lot is going to the movies and talking about movies and and storeys and projects and stuff. So I think at a certain point, I was like, well, I want to do like the dream is that but I'm just too scared to admit it, basically. But it was the next thing to kind of like push myself outside my comfort zone was acting speaking in some way. Yeah, dreams can be scary. Yeah, I think they're the scariest thing. I think like, honestly, people talk a lot about the fear of failure. And that's what's holding them back. But honestly, I think we fail a lot. And I think we're used to it. And even when you're at a certain level of acting, you're going out for a lot of auditions and stuff and you get used to not getting the job like most of the time, you're not going to get the job.
I think we're a lot of actors kind of shoot themselves. Well, what, what my experience was, as I found myself, like getting in my head when I was doing well, in an audition, I'm like, Oh, this is going really great. And then all of a sudden Hang on, What's My Line? Like, I kind of lose at that point. And I think it's actually like a fear of success and then coming back to ego. I think it's we're protecting ourselves from really taking the next step. Because the hallway along it's just been terrifying. So how do you stay away? How do you stop the monologue then of the offices? I'm feeling the momentum. This is great. Like how do you stop that within an audition?
I don't exactly know but i i remember i did this workshop in Vancouver that really helped with all that sort of stuff.
And I think yeah, I mean, some some personal shifts and and realising that, I think a big one I mean it without getting it's a longer storey without getting too in depth about it. It was cast we can do long storey
Well, I think for me personally, it was
I think, yeah, probably a bit of an out scared to outshine people for process. So like, Oh shit, if I actually booked this big show, then what? Then people are going to really think I'm an asshole. Because anytime, especially with the whole
tall poppy syndrome thing in this country, I think we grow up in a in a MMO of the rhetoric growing up is like, oh, he loves himself or like, He's such a try hard. And then as you get older, you're like, it's so I need to love myself and I need to try hard. And this was stuff that I was kind of taught to not do. Yeah. Which is kind of a funny thing, because I think a lot of rz act is going into the States, in a way have something different that Americans don't have and it's like a humility and work ethic. But, um, but yeah, it kind of gets what was. I like that though? Because tall poppy syndrome.
People who, you know,
doing that to other people bringing people down pointing out their successes and say, yeah, maybe there is that fear of success for themselves. I think that plays a part with a lot of us. I think a lot of it is jealousy. And, you know, when you're, if you're a person who's got this, you know, there's a dream in the background, but you have just decided, like, not like, I'm going to do what I was told to do. And by this safe thing is Yeah, I think if then there's a little bit of maybe self resentment or resentment towards whoever told you to live that way, or whatever it is. And then when you see someone who's big, going after their dreams pretty quickly, you projecting that onto them and going like, well, you're an idiot
and finding a way to cut them down. And I think there's been so many moments where I think I've just gotten over that in bits, but
one of the main things that I remember was my the director of the acting school came courageous. We had a meeting one
I'm halfway through halfway through the acting course. And she said to me,
I'll sitting there I was sitting opposite her, like, kind of like, you know, really kind of hunched forward and kind of small, make myself small. And she was like, I felt kind of intimidated by her, but just like I really, you know, yeah, she's like, kind of the head of the school and you feel nervous, even though she was like, the sweetest person ever. And, and she was just, she's like, oh, how's the year going? And I'll be like, Oh, you know, like this and this and she'd be like, okay, and she just stops you straight away, because she can just read you that. She's like, what's stopping you from being big? And she was like, sit back in your chair. Make yourself big.
You know, put your shoulders back. Physically being shoes. Yeah, all of it. All of it. take up as much space as you can. And I said, I can Hell yeah.
And then she was like, how does that make you feel? I said, I'm, I feel, you know, uncomfortable, feel scared. And then she was like, Well, what stops you what stops you from being big and
And the first thing came my mind was well, when I'm big people cut me down, which I think growing up, a lot of Ozzy's have had that experience. But for me growing up I, I think, I've kind of caught that quite a lot. And then,
and she was like, Well,
what about when you do get like when you being smaller when you when you're not being big, do you still get cut down? And I was like, Well, yeah.
And she's like, Well, why not then just be big? Yeah. And it's an interesting thought, because really being big, I think is kind of like, why not just be you, like, and, you know, express yourself and do the things that you want to do. So I think I started taking more of that mentality into everything. And then, you know, you have these fears, they pop into your head and you're like, you know what, but like, I still think I can do this big thing. And I want to do it, and that's probably, you know, not only got to feel better for me, but if anything, if anything, people generally people will look at that go like oh,
Wow. And like the kind of the response from being overseas and and booking something big overseas has been like, like that's amazing like that from people here and even mates like I was at the local footy club down at Red Hill for the club on the weekend. And I kind of feel myself going shrinking a bit because I don't want to come across as the
braggadocio. Yeah. Is that a word? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, don't don't
don't come Don't come across braggadocio.
Right word Yeah. Is it is a completely made up already exists. It's a nice
little thing or no. Trump ism for sure.
No, I think it's actually in the it's in the Cambridge dictionary.
Trump's got one
pricing yourself was speaking to proudly about your energy. Yeah.
Did you ever hear him say I'm so
sorry so you go to the footy club yeah like I didn't want to come across like he same thing same old stuff like full of himself and try hard or that cheer and then you chatting to just you know guys that you went to primary school with who dislike oh that's that's insane that you've been doing that like that's incredible and you know you still caught the few little backhanded like jokes and whatnot dislike Are you big celebrity now which is like sometimes just like oh god bit like that sort of stuff I don't know when you when you own same thing when you owning whatever it is it's kind of a bit more water off a duck's back hat is what hat is someone that you would look to that would handle themselves in a situation like that what the jewels that would walk in there be big doesn't mean you're saying I'm on a fucking Netflix.
You know, like that doesn't mean that does not mean be good. I mean, do going here.
Yeah, I had it. And also like, it's just going in and kind of like letting those ideas of what you think people are thinking, and what you think people are going to say, let that go and then just be present with people. And then I think, is it bringing focus on self, when that happens? It's like me looking at somebody, and I'm thinking about my advice and what they could be thinking about what it's like, I'm totally fucking thinking about me. I'm not thinking about them. I'm not thinking, I wonder how they're feeling. I wonder what they're experiencing this moment. Yeah. And I think that that has happened to bit where I'm like, okay, I just feel super self conscious, right.
But then also, like, you know, a lot of the time in those conversations, because they're guys that, you know, guys and gals that I went to primary school with in high school and stuff, like, I'm just as interested in what they've been up to. And then a lot of the lot of the conversation is kind of like, oh, but you know, like, I'm just living in man allies with, you know, and this is all I'm doing. And I'm like, that sounds pretty cool. Like, you know what I mean, like everyone's on this on a crazy journey. I feel
It can be a defence mechanism sometimes to, like there's the other way to which is not being comfortable talking about yourself. So, always pushing the other way of like, I'm actually, I'm a closed book. And so then it's a big head. Fuck, right? Because you're not clear on your words, you boy. Yeah. Cuz you're not clear on your own narrative because like, I don't know what I'm going to be doing next or whatever it is nothing wrong with being confident. Yeah. And just being like, yeah, like, this is what I've been doing. Yeah. And that's maybe something else I've kind of observed in my sister. She's very good at that. Like just being like, Oh, yeah, I've been working on this and she's happy to talk about it. Yeah. Whereas I think I've been a little bit more uncomfortable. saying like, yeah, I'm on I'm been working on this massive show, Riverdale. Yeah, for that. And so what's it like and then Dwayne a to reconcile and answer that because it's almost like every time someone asks you, if you've gone to the bank to try and work out what the answer is, first of that, if we've got our answer, sort of dialled in, it becomes pretty like it can't become
A lot easier I guess. So maybe I should write a script
with an American accent shut
up and take platform. So this I business startup, like jewels land has tribe. Yeah, it's a marketplace for influence it you know he has this pitch, right? It's also about the audience that you're speaking to, because I think about me selling myself. It's all different contexts, right? Am I talking to my aunties friend, so if your aunties friend said, Hey, Tommy, what are you up to? Yeah, that's where I What do you say get more rattled and more uncomfortable in those moments where I'm out of out of my audience, essentially, you know,
then maybe it's like, you go back to your mates, right? Yeah. For you. You're in the business of selling your best self into casting agents into you know, networks. So when you're in there, and they
Jules, what do you know? Yeah. And maybe it's a different sell versus I get like that when I go to a party. I'm like, No, this isn't about that. I've got this podcast and I don't want to talk about that. Because we also fall into like justification mode. I feel like as well because then it's like, as soon as I talk about the podcast, like I How's it going? It's like, Oh, yeah, it's good. It's like, yeah, it's almost like you want to do that because it's easier. It's interesting. We had our friend Josh Pittman on the show a few months back he talked about these exact issues. He's someone who's travelled a bunch for work but it's like in the people that it's always like your mom's made.
Say yes, Susie Susie Susie just knows how to fucking you know, yes, cafe and cheese Susie.
podcast is going any Yeah, a lot of us at the seven days.
Susie, what are you fucking doing?
So, being back in Melbourne, what are some of the things that you specifically Canada? How long? How much time did you spend in Canada in total? It was about three years all up. I basically milked a two year open work permit.
I extended it couple of times. But yeah, it was about three years old up. Came back a couple of time over Christmas time. What do they have riding Canada that you wish I was when I was? Not much? Really? No. No, when I was when I was 21. I actually applied for the Green Card Lottery for the US. Oh, yeah, but one of my main rage Get it? No, I didn't. I'm here, but you could have got it today. Yeah.
What are you doing Josh? I'm on holidays in Australia. Exactly. I'm only here for seven months.
The main reason in my head which is not a reason to
moved to a different country was amazon prime was hearing storeys
you would just want to order and you could just order
so anyway amazon prime that's why you want to move yeah and now Australia has amazon prime so I'm fucking good oh yeah so talk about what are some what are some of the things I think you can order whole foods are used to be able to in the states you can order whole Amazon bought Whole Foods yeah so it's probably I have Whole Foods now is actually I have my gosh that Well, there's a trademark someone owns a trademark so they can't get it. Yeah, yeah. Which is we It's crazy, isn't it? Because I spoke to a dude who was like, business intelligence is like went to South by Southwest and he was saying yeah, there's a trademark but you wouldn't think that would be the reason I get with a whole fucking company not to me. I get you were saying Josh. There's things like in living in Sydney. There is the the Opera House know the the Sydney Harbour Bridge or pedestrian crossings where you press the button goes red or green gives you a countdown of how much longer you have.
Father God that Vancouver
can we know that the countdown is great it's so stupid that we don't have a countdown yeah yeah just goes from green to red and then you're like fuck them in the middle of the street we were worried about my get run over it we went that way everyone was like crossing the street of the Cross Road. It's a gateway to peds.
Okay, I'm not gonna die. He's gonna give it to me. But think about how how much space they give peds. Give right a pin sign is it's basically accounts big. How hard is it to fucking give us 15 Okay, here's an interesting thing because I was for the longest time in Vancouver. I was like, great. I've still got four seconds. I can make that I'll just sprint and I'm good. And yeah, I've got a countdown for 321 I'm already across the street. Then. It was that some like they had some police on a few corners for some like lockup for street festival. And then I started crossing the street thing I've got still got 12 seconds this cops are going to give me a hard time and he goes like hidden
Sir Do you realise that your as soon as the countdown starts you're meant to know what the fuck is the point of the countdown then what is the aliens for drop is Yeah, but is that true? Yeah. So with the way that the law works bullshit
doing it in silhouette, if that sign if that sign is showing you're allowed to walk as soon as it starts counting down.
It's not meant to stop crossing the street. I mean, I've run across with like, a second. I think that's the same here when it starts flashing. You don't mean to start? If you're halfway through it? Yeah, sure. Whatever. Okay. But anyway, that's what I want. I
travelling in Vancouver. Now safe if you're walking if you're walking in a city, where you have access to the countdown, if you send a photo of the countdown with you walking across, will send you stickers. Yes, can we
The Daily talk show.com put your name and your excitement
for us this is big. We'll get the other stickers across on anyway. So I'm sorry that's my mates Dave and he's gonna get
to what are the things in Canada Do they have right? that we need in? Well all I can think about stuff is stuff that Melvin's got right over Canada because I just went to a, you know, a cafe Melbourne cafe. And the coffee's incredible The food's incredible and like that sort of stuffs just starting to come into Vancouver. Yeah, I mean, 3d deals blown away. I spent a lot of money on coffee agree. Yeah, but what
your whole budget goes on smashed elbow. Yeah, well, the thing with the US that I like which is very backwards, but I like it, is they're very loose when it comes to like plastic sippy. Drink like water. Like you can just, like, take away they'll give you a big street like a store. You can just be drinking. I went up to stop. I'm so glad that I hadn't.
plastic cup, which can I just have a? Can you just refill that? She's Oh, don't worry, sweetheart, and she throws the thing into the being and just pulls up another one. I didn't need more plastic. Yeah. Like, is this in the state in the state? Yeah, I think Hollywood state. Yeah. I mean, I think they're a bit behind when it comes to resource
roles and stuff. They've just started doing that. Whereas
La La is also its own little ecosystem. Get here to the rest of the country to like, I think in LA, it's just like, Oh, no, you do not use plastic straws, whereas probably the rest of the country rest of the 340 million people. Yeah, I probably pretty sure. It's a different ballgame. We've got 24 million here, or something like that. 27 stores now Australia, Australia,
Australia, Rico in comparison. instals now No, there was in Munich. They're like super, super strict. That's right. We wanted to take away No, I ordered we ordered take away and then we're like, might as well just sit in and then
Like the most German experience I've ever had is them coming up to me and telling telling us off and saying are we actually don't have a permit like the way the permits are set up is that if you get takeaway, like cutlery and stuff or like it it's like a salad in a takeaway container Yeah, you have to have it out you can't sit in a row because a lot of things good You can't just change your mind yeah I changed my mind all the time I thought of people though you've worked in cafes they get and I used to be an offender of this but years ago get coffees in
our hot I just fucking ended up going back to LA I just like I'll have a glass and smash it quickly. You would have done a lot of strong lattes in cafes in in to take away and then people have drunk there on purpose so they just like to take wake up Yeah, I didn't get offended though. Not I never offended myself over I just started doing it. But then I now there's a Josh phone photo of him drinking a takeaway coffee once
Going holy man. Yeah, I got called out what someone working there or just no no just
Yeah, a patron
I know I won't know it was it was I took away that
I need to do that. I'm talking about cafes before we went on with you were you were you known as
a Gossip Girl but you you have
first hand knowledge of a love storey the Andy Oh, yes. Oh yeah, I mean I'm working a patch cafe. I've heard this a few times because well from from the perspective of Tommy tell me that Yeah, Tommy David was Tommy D there that day? Well, I don't know if he was I think I don't know if he was there but I definitely was there. Well, let's let's get it clean. It was at his cafe.
cafe and he had the fuckin showstopper recipe long
IK so basically long storey short the waffles.
Anyway couldn't resist patch waffle. You found yourself a patch cafe. So Andy lay is one to one half, one half of one of the greatest comedy duo's in Australian history. Amazon any Yeah. And so they are legends. I love their podcast. Oh yeah. Well he asked him before he got here. He's about cast and he said Hamish and Andy. Yeah, I think that's like a quintessential em, especially if you living overseas and Ozzy. I was listening to their podcast, travelling 10 years ago, I remember listening to it, and it just made me feel like, you know, kind of feels like to me connected to Australia. Yeah, yeah. And so you were working one day. And well, yeah, you can tell us well, well back Harding was work, you know, working at patch. And
what happened basically, Andy had, I think he'd come in a few times that week in within a short period of time. So, you know, for the waffles well,
The waffles are very good.
But I would do a burrito. I was a beta tester for Uber rates. So I go, right yeah, it wasn't the reason why you didn't because you kept doing it after Yeah, well, they fucking hooked me in there. But I got like a $200 voucher and they like you can use it and they used to have it where you from the Uber race driver didn't come to your door. They would give it $20 credit Yeah, best part about my block. There were no car parks. So those factors never could bring it to the door and calculated a lot of money so I got a lot of cash money. So at this banquet today Exactly.
So the you know, so I did have the waffles from from patch using a burrito on anyway. You want to be a part of storey.
I like I like waffles gone. Yeah, what happened next, basically, I mean, I'll preface this by saying Beck's a legend as well. We're all good mates working at patch. And, and there was always a bit of banter. And I remember Andy came in and he was
On his laptop, probably doing some work and she was serving Him. And I remember just sort of giving her a bit of stick saying like, you know, I think he's fighting with you. And she was like, No, like, have you met back? Which is like, no, I remember her being a patch. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome, awesome. Go and was just like, No way like moon. And then
I was like, Yes he is. And then, basically, yeah, he left her a note. And I was like, oh, did he give you his phone number? And she opens it and it was a little message and it was his email. Well,
I think it's a great it's a grind. Now is that a pal move? Yeah, I think
it's a bit quirky. It's a bit it's it's, it's not my phone number. But if you really want to get in contact it's Mahatma LG look at the icon remember, but for the purpose of the storey as a hot man knows Andy Jackson. Okay. She didn't
It was info at Hamish and
send it there. We'll get to one of the receptionist set up a day. I feel like the and they've been together ever since. Yeah, that's cool. The email does work. I mean, but I mean that the dating scene nowadays like to people even we did a whole bit with Mr. 97 looking for love. And there wasn't even phone numbers involved. It was all Instagram and shit like that. Yeah, I think he got pretty far it's the relationship histograms new Tinder. I like meeting somebody in real life as how I've you know how I got started relationship. When? When did you meet Amy? I met her in Bali in in 20 1415. Yeah, that was before the internet. I mean, there was Yeah, it was I just happened to have a chance encounter with it. So and then my previous girlfriends I met I've never met prey Tinder anyone? Oh, yes. operating the Tinder right? Yeah. When I was still singing
Just before me I was on Tinder a little bit but nothing I couldn't like can you login if we log in to see what the bio is but it keep it I can not login? I wouldn't I wouldn't have ever done it. I'm not the kind of guy to put a bio na What did you do? Don't put a bio on you.
Just one photo just the ultimate I take photos from Facebook by Oh
yeah, but you are Yes, but here's the problem not putting a buyer. There's so many fake people on it's it's different days.
This is gonna work.
If you're on Tinder that's okay. I can't be fact thinking about dating ever again. I don't but yeah, yeah, I mean, you on Tinder Oh no. What about if you just pick up go on with earlier just
people just go like in that's not Yeah.
Have you? Have you tried many of the dating apps? Oh?
Yeah, I'm serious question. You know, I remember getting Tinder when it first came out. And I was like, Oh, this is a great idea. And then it just like spread like wildfire.
But now I find it a bit like, kind of whenever I have gone back on that, I'm just like, as soon as I have a conversation with more than one person, I'm like, this. I can't really keep up. I mean, it's confusing. Yeah. Yeah. And and I don't know. Yeah, I'd rather just make it simple and
but yeah, but I think like, what's happening nowadays is like people are on you know, Tinder and then Instagram and then struggling to connect, approach people, just in a cafe, via like, Allah ND Lee, which, you know, I think you don't want to be you don't to be relying on social media and on Tinder. Not that it's wrong, but just like
You still need to be able to develop the skill to just go and approach and so you do that you want to be at a cafe would you all go if anyone who knows me is listening to this they're like, go and tell the truth. I just get chatting to people I've met people on the bus on you know at like train stations I think that's just like maybe from being in hospitality and travelling a lot. And in in like industries where you meet so many new people almost daily, sometimes you kind of get chatting to any anyone at any point in time of day on the bus.
Day. Yeah, what time of day, because I feel like there's a nice catch it Yeah, I missed it. 97 catches the bus, like end of day and started the idea of a fall in love on the bus. Not yet visually. He's not saying you always get him Yeah, like if it's like as in like you like whoa, I'm in love with that person. Yeah. chances of me actually getting a conversation going and very slim.
Depends on the bass line. You think Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, yeah, that's sometimes happened. Yeah, the Franklin lines podiatric
he's coming from Baldwin. It's lovely out there. Is bowling a good train. I mean, it's a nice nice, nice nice bus riding. I mean, you're just you're just focusing on the show. It is very focused on
the website login this morning. Are you logging into the website change my bio that was a mistake. did what was the mistake it was just a few little spelling things up a bit. little bits and bobs. Nothing bad. I didn't run that by you.
I changed my icon photo.
Typically the case? Why don't you change the eye colour icon photo?
By on our website Yeah, you go to the daily talk show.com and there's a thing we click guests. Oh yeah, you'll see you pop out. Oh, who's writing that? That will be three days.
Oh yeah. So have you had any weed in boxes on Insta? since you started on rivet out? Because I've seen you your Instagrams popped? Yeah, a bit Instagram's on hate. Yeah, its own Hey, it's definitely gotten warmer. Yeah, um, yes. Any we want? Yeah, we can share.
We were filming a video series with Kelly Smith, who was on Big Brother. She's, you know, a well known influencer in Melbourne. And some of us that we couldn't actually put them into the video because some of the sheets she's been asked on Instagram or Yeah, like exchange for money staff. Yeah. Or someone. What was a quarter of a million dollars for a porno? full on? Yeah, it's crazy. I haven't heard that one. But no, but I think what I think there's a difference in men and women. Yeah. Approaching. Yeah. And I don't think look, I say it's like a male. I think for the for the most part. Most of the people that have jumped on my Instagram
rebel fans and if their fan accounts so aka Yeah, so they're not you can't even see what they will show what they look like I can tell you the 12
shit they all like creating. Yeah How many times have you been turned into a meme? Do you think what's your favourite meme of yourself a long character? Well, it's not necessarily a main what they do a lot is edits. Yeah we had Lucy Lucy Yeah, who worked out of she was doing working yeah she's 16 year old but she was obsessed with a stranger things and there's like this swirling it's like all this
video video edits are interesting. Yeah And yeah, I mean they're just kids getting creative too But yeah, it's all with the show it's a bit obsessive but yeah, it'll be just like your your pitches and then they've just taken the pitches and it'll just be like different like fade to have the next picture. Yeah and a different song that usually has like a pretty heavy bass lines. Yeah, do sounds great rainbow
You're like, yeah, like dubstep is a doo doo doo doo doo. And it's like, they see the next picture they creating you post this really unique social.
They're doing the PR for you. How often do you if someone dm you? And you don't know them? Well, you actually write back for a little while. I was actually writing a lot of people back. Because I just thought like, it's, um, I don't know, I was like, Oh, I should probably try and work it out on you. Can we have a look? Oh, no.
I mean, mine's a sad state of affairs. Okay, please reach out.
Please do. The best one is the what's the message requests? Because that's where they are. Yeah. So it's really how many RJZ he's got 99 plus requests in here. Right. So, okay, so the first bunch that I can see they're all group like they've created a group chat to into the group. So let's have a look at a group chat. This is the lightest one, and it's it's 29
On 29 and then they've put in there like the top like KJZ in their community and they're like a bunch of the actors from the show, and then a bunch of the fan accounts. So then they just messaged you, sometimes it's in Russian. Sometimes it's in like, what's this one?
You want fire? This is
so hot right now.
I don't know. Yeah, they're just chit
chatting to each other. And then this is weed man. How like, I wonder how kids are while their kids to pick them up and get asked for selfies?
Not really, I've only had a couple of times, like, Yeah, one time of the breath is what do you want to look at? I just want to do is
like I'm getting more, done a few videos that went viral on LinkedIn or whatever, but and I got a bunch of people messaging me, not many. I said George land, who's a friend who has a tech company he was on getaway and stuffing.
He's quite big on LinkedIn I think I've just have you found so go through your LinkedIn message he's the dude You should have seen the amount is reducing the amount of garbage wow they are all group he's one I very very love you. Here we go 3D-Dyl this
time they apologise for the English because they might be like using Google Translate and they might be writing from Ukraine or somewhere safe to live bro I really enjoyed your acting gaming rip it out and I hope you'll be there again. I wish you a beautiful day kisses from Poland. I mean that's nice Holland Have you been to Poland? Poland? sighs I'm yet to go to Poland. Hi, what am I going to Warsaw? Yeah, you might not see this. But I'd like your character in Riverdale and I hope you're in season four. So does Julian
just rebel at its Thank you.
I mean, it'd be like full time job hidden Rebecca.
share the screen and just hear it look
Yeah, Adam, I don't know a lot of it's actually just like really positive just like Yeah. Hey, it usually starts with Hey, you probably never say this. But But you you are believing achieve guys played with
you ever written to a celebrity before? Have I? Yes, I have as I go back to you now. Oh, yes. Hi. I'm Jason David Frank. What's his name? Jason. Dave right the the original white, green power ranger. I I wrote to him on Instagram, and he's got a lot of followers. Does he have any? Like probably? How to Know 500,000 maybe I can imagine you being a Power Ranger. Thanks. I want to be different. Yeah, it's actually like, I grew up wanting to be a boundary for sure. You read your read it at your bone 39 So yes, I'm on IMDB I think
teenagers. I might. I don't know. I might be a teenager in this show. How old are you meant to be in reverse? I don't know.
I've had discussions with different people from the show and they're like, yeah, we guess he's about 19 Yeah, yeah, maybe you've got that she's drawing the best here in Hollywood.
When I shave, I look a lot younger. Yeah. Is that you shaven now on that
This is this is half an hour with the neck BO.
I want to look up your joke. Yeah, we need to find Did you get any information on that Jason David Frank 500 k follows Yeah.
Well, that's that's
hundred thousand. Click Link to watch legend of the white dragon. That was the Power Rangers movie. No, no. I'm pretty sure that is a new thing that he's doing where it's like probably fan not fan funded. Certainly a crowdfunded stuff. He does everything and he's they still getting back on the show like that shows still being made. Really. It never stopped. What it never stopped.
They channels it on it. I don't know if it I don't know if we've got here, it's like there's a million seasons of it on Netflix review to check it out. And he's been on like six or seven of the seasons. That's great. He just never stopped.
And he's also known as kind of like the Comic Con God because like he goes, he goes to all of those things. And it's almost like his full time gig. And the cues to get his signature just massive. And yet, we should pull up the damn that I sent him and he said, we got back to you. Have you ever Josh,
other than Seth Godin, or you know who I tweeted, Dr. Chris, Dr. Chris Brown.
Embarrassing bodies. Yeah.
I think it's Dr. Chris. Oh, man. Okay, so I wrote him quite a long message.
When was this? He doesn't say the year but it was probably this year, I'll probably say about four years ago. And that's important, I think and then
Yes, I just wrote like, Hey Jason just want to say thanks for being one of my childhood heroes. And the effectiveness of nice had an audition for Power Rangers, which would be a dream come true.
And then just said like, I love your attitude towards your career. I hope they bring you back in some kind of role evil evil role.
And then I said honestly, honestly, the original Power Rangers movie is way better than the new one.
When you when you say welcome to my nightmare then start kicking ass with the staff was the best moment ever. See, it's always
it's actually across two messages you
honestly, I don't know how much
what is it people behind the franchise? Don't say there's a market for an older demographic, which I think is true. Yeah, you're on the buyer. And then because he did you say the they did like a trailer with James Van Der Beek.
On across all this, sorry. IU
It was good. You can really show in my podcast first, but I'm not. I don't have a huge crazy fan.
Like that doc trial that came out with James Van Der Beek was epic. I hope they can see that that hope they can say that and make something for the big kids out there. My my sister met you at Comic Con book convention once. And she apparently got to skip the line because she'd like because she was working at it. Yeah. And then yeah, she got me. She got me a signed picture of the Power Rangers from the movie. So what did he say? What did he said so he just wrote this. Thanks you an X ray fists for a fist. That's what you expect from a Power Ranger. Yeah, yeah, he still does a lot of kung fu types. Yeah, that's right. Well, hopefully next time we get you back you'll be in a full power ranger outfit and having any cool additions happy to be doing
so how it works like a ue I guess you know, the show
not understand how it works man is that I don't know if like the level of yeah what you meant to talk about yeah but to just ruin everything
now what some yeah I mean like that like you know the show did you know it was Riverdale that you I mean you're obviously yeah no no are you going in for like what show you're going in for what movie you're going in for commercials they generally do like a foot just say it's like in Vancouver going up for like Coca Cola it'll be it'll be like you're going up for project
space cadet or something. It's got a code name are really yeah, and then you find out when you get there Yeah, what do you feel I don't drink I don't want this job. They're probably not gonna they're probably not going to hire my Pepsi guy.
But ya know, Riverdale river no was a bit of a funny storey how I got that one.
Yeah, I knew I was going up for it, but I thought it was a smaller role basically. So I didn't make too much of it. But I also when I first got into
Hoover, I knew that was kind of a big deal that it was happening. And it was shooting there because of the Archie Comics. And they were the characters and everything.
And so I kind of I kind of felt like, Oh, yeah, like, at some point, it'd be nice to an audition for that. And then, basically what happened was two days before, I had an audition through the same casting director for a show called arrow, which is a DC show, superhero type show. And it was for a cop. And on the top on, like, on my breakdown, it said that I was going in for cop one in cop two. And so then I learned both sets of lines. So I could perform it both ways in the audition. And basically, I did, I did the audition as cop one. And then the casting director was like, Oh, that's great. And I was like, Okay, do you want to join me? Do a cop tune out? And he's like, oh, now you'll see at the top of the script. It says just do a cop one. And I was like, okay, yep, sorry. Fair enough. Yep. And I was just like, oh, putting all that work.
On those lines, and then I booked it, that I booked it and I was pumped. I was just like, yes, this is kind of the biggest thing I've done so far was like a full scene on a show.
Is this the one where you got hit in the face? Yeah, arrow killed me. Bad Ass. He's that he wanted his information. And then he threw me into a wall. Yeah. And I'm stunned. No, no, I did the bit where I kind of did actually, cuz they had to have a stunt coordinator in there and like showing how he was going to throw me into the first wall. Yeah. Because like, he kind of front me into the wall like that. And then, and then throws me across the room into another wall. So I didn't do the bit where I get hit and die. But I did the first bit where he slammed me into a wall.
And so that was pretty cool. Because like, each time each take the stunt guy kept coming up to me and being like, Can he can he throw you a bit harder on this day? I'm like, yeah.
And then the tape we used. I don't
I think I really had to act because I was like,
he really gave it.
Yeah, that was awesome. Fun. That was. That was a crazy week because I did that. I was on Riverdale, on the Monday or on the Tuesday back on Riverdale, Wednesday, Thursday. And I was like, I remember checking in with myself and just being like, Okay, this is not a normal week for you. Just remember that like, the week. Next week? Yeah. Next week, you got nothing. Okay, so just check yourself this way. Yeah, but then the rebel thing I am. I basically I got that next day. I got this audition for Riverdale, for the next for the following day. And I saw the script. And it said on the breakdown that I was going up for pseudo one. And then on the script. Basically, there was five of us younger guys that would like sons of mob families. And we were the suitors. And we were meant to go in and give Veronica a business pitch kind of thing. And they were all one lines but what they've done was scribble at the
The number and just put suit one. So then in the audition, you just run all those lines together.
And then, yeah, so I was like, okay, cool and went into the audition, and did a pretty good job, I thought and the costume was like, Okay, that was great.
And then at the bottom of the page, there was a, there was another character said, Elio, and a few lines and stuff. And I didn't realise because it didn't say my breakdown that I was going for that character. Yeah. And after the experience I had the day before with the cops. I was like, okay, don't bother looking at that. I looked at once.
And just thought, like, if there's any information here, that's great, but just looked at once, and then in the audition, did it and then they were like, Okay, good. Are you good to do the airlines? And I was like,
I actually haven't looked at that. You said that. Yeah, I know. Do you have the right thing to do remind was well, because I really hadn't completely improved.
Yeah, the truth. And I was just like contact five minutes and like, Oh yeah, of course and I went outside. And my, my acting teacher over there was great. She She gave us a few like rules of thumb toys. So to live by rule number one, come back with cash.
Yeah, rule number one Don't panic. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, don't panic, just focus and I just read through it a couple of times. And I was like, arc and I got this. I was like, went back in there. And honestly, it was one of the best auditions I've ever done. It was really weird. I just didn't I just completely relaxed and just thought about what I was saying and casting which was I was great. And then yeah, the next day got the got the call up. You got it. I was. I'm always in a cafe whenever I get confirmed for these things and I'm just like, crying and punching the punching the air.
I hope this someone
montage NV career. Yeah, I think Yeah, someone will cut it together. Yeah, you guys want to cut that? We will if you got the footage, how long from that time that you get the phone call to the time that you're actually on set? The only thing I think it was about a week and a half, like it's pretty quick, isn't it? It's really fast. If you do have to get your top off, do they ask you to take it off in the audition?
With acting very rarely
modelling, they'll just be like, get the gear off. But yeah, with with acting, I think it's kind of just hoping they're just being like,
he's gonna hope he's right. Yeah. Yeah, I don't I don't know. So with acting is like, whatever job you get you, you have to assume that you are in the perfect place at the perfect time. And you as a person in that moment is right. Because what's what else like I don't think that way. If you don't if you don't, if you don't.
But if you don't get it, you What's the other I mean, that's the optimistic view of it if I don't get it, look
I wasn't right for them in this moment. It wasn't right for me. Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think when I will, you know why this sort of less rejection with, with acting compared to modelling, like with modelling a lot of the time, it's kind of pretty direct. Like, that was like a hothead, don't know if that, like their specific clothing fits perfectly well or you kind of get a bit of a sense of that, or just like you hear back really quickly. And I think I was used to like with modelling for years, I had that experience of kind of pretty, pretty like, Yeah, I remember one lady in in, in Europe saying like, Oh, you've been eating. Really? Yeah, it sounds like cheese. And she was right. I had been eating. Yeah. But I had gotten a little bit bigger because I just decided I don't want to be this skinny ripped, like, small person anymore. I want to actually just train and ate and not worry about that.
But yeah, when you have that experience of that kind of thing where you could just start hating yourself.
I was just like, no, like, this is what I want to do. Then I don't know you used to like, you've caught that kind of rejection and feedback. So then with acting, you just walk up to the audition. And then I think what people struggle with most is just you don't hear back, you know, so it's not really rejection. It's not someone call your agent isn't calling you up and being like, hey, mate, just let me know like that audition you. You didn't get that. I mean, you don't get closure. You're not you're you don't get called. I think it's tricky when it comes to like a lot of really, really big roles.
Like my sister was like when they're testing for stuff, and you go into the studios and you know, they basically get you to act stuff out and your opposite. The other star on the movie theatre after auditions after auditions. My sister tested for the spider man with Andrew Garfield. So they you know, they went with Emma Stone.
So I was like, You can't be too disappointed. She was pretty fast.
famous person Yeah, but that's where I think the rejections probably the hardest because you've put in so much effort. You've gone in and you've done you know, these kind of like character reads and chemistry reads and stuff. And then you hear they went with someone else. I think that's that's probably the toughest ones to get knocked back on. But I'm readily
ready for the modelling stuff. Do you have any anti bloating techniques? Because I've tried apple cider vinegar and I still feel like a fucking blow up but thanks night doesn't bloated? Yeah. Oh, yes. Are you? Are you gluten intolerant? I just ate a lot of peanut butter tonight. anyone's good?
Surely isn't there like there's no bloating? There's nothing. It's called eating. Well, it's called a
day before Tai Chi need to fucking like a fighter or
No, well actually, like a bodybuilder. What somewhat what some of the boys were doing on Riverdale. Yeah. Before the
it doesn't exist but the boys do it. The boys
the boys, what are the boys doing?
what some of the guys have been doing your guys dehydrating. Yeah, I'm doing that right.
Is that really the thing? Yeah to yet because Katie has been doing a lot of boxing scenes. And then I don't think he really does it. He just tries to stay in shape. But I'm Mark Consuela, who plays gronk his dad, he he had to be shirtless in some of the scenes in the in the steam room with me. And he was just jacked and ripped.
And yeah, and he was talking about how he was dehydrating himself to look more ripped and everything. It's like it's what bodybuilders do, but I will say there is so six 812 fucking
Ease of training before then you go
Yeah, you're not gonna look that shredded if you just like you've just been eating whatever.
That isn't how it works.
You referred to bodybuilders is because they've been doing this systemized training for the past. And what does happen it's I'm curious is how much how fat I am this
fat doesn't change in those days I think it's not it's water dehydration is just water content within your body. Yes. It's nothing about losing fat you don't lose don't lose. You don't lose fat. Yeah, but I wonder how much
is flooding think that yeah.
I stopped eating like if we if you got off carbs and sugar for a good eight weeks. You just you feel slimmer,
less bloat because you're drinking more water.
Also I found just being in Australia. I don't know what it is, but I think I feel less bloated. Less bloated eating. Sorry
it's probably mom's cooking pizza. Yes.
But don't have sushi. These are sushi. I do like sushi. A lot of heat. Maybe maybe just cut back on you know? Maybe make pizza for a treat food. Yeah, I did you do cheat days. Do I do that? Yeah. I think I kind of cheat every day.
I had vomit crumbles yesterday.
He's living in La YIO fucking chocolates. would you choose? crumbles? You guys took a look. I'm shredded right now. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, like just on that you've thrown a complete curveball with the vomit crumble thing by distracted with oh no crunches are a lot better than Bala crumbles with
my sister boredom there honey time. It's just too dense and quiet like it second
To be honest anyone who has an opinion on this too sugary
honey in trouble
not enough chocolate you know where violet crumbles end up going the ones that are old Yes. Individually Beatles The Beatles that Melvin show Oh yeah. And they sell them elsewhere today yeah you can bond get ready bid or stood Ricky booty battles there's like lowly shops that sell booty battles are you saying you think they
show in a bag
all over it and that's a good fact if it makes sense isn't the concept of a show bag a funny one. We're just going to stop in a bunch of candy and some toys and sell it for too much show back. I love
it was $25 thing you would have done the Power Rangers show back though I'm sure. I probably haven't. Yeah, it probably had like a mosque that had a little rabbit that snapped off because we just stapled on
Baba john, did you find out the belly pedals? Yeah, well, you can buy them from show bag shop calm today.
Show bag shop calm today. Yes, surely.
Behind that subscription. Yeah, fact going to the Melbourne show. If you could just get the show bags to live 150 pack as well. 50 bucks. 50 bucks. Hundred 55 boxes. 30 bagels. Yeah. Not bad to invest boys. good investment Sam. chillin man. Thanks for coming on the show. The Power Rangers will make some waffles. Yeah, and we'll have a bunch of Barbados all bring the tapioca flour.
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