#324 – Citizen’s Arrest With Peter Shepherd/
- April 12, 2019
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It's the daily Talk Show Episode 324. And we got the date voice man,
back in the building. Hello, everybody. Periscope. Yeah,
I was gonna say that definitely don't miss the 97. That's Periscope.
Thanks for having me. Yeah.
Okay with that nickname, the periscope paid. We talked about it last time.
We didn't but I don't mind it. I think like I've referred to myself as the human periscope like that. You took it level.
So he took it off the website now.
He changed it up to die. Yeah.
I like it now I
he paid. Excellent. I'm I'm thrilled to be third time I think in Josh mentioned that. Once you get on three times you officially a friend of the show. Oh, this
is perfect. Because we were actually trying to work this out. That's fat Fridays. Yeah, we're waiting for some food to be delivered. It says it's four minutes away. Don't show people what it is. Now I won't show you what it is. So we were trying to work out which we want to we want to build. We need a name for people who have come on to the show more than just a few times. So yeah,
a push back on friend of the show because he's like you, people who have been on less than three times are still friends of the show. Yeah.
But then it's like the initiation once you get beyond the three not
that it's like some some
people. It's like some sort of filthy sort of initiation. Where is it separate to the calls that you've been
called? Okay, we needed this distance from the call. That's very special. So there was two names Josh came up with one and I came up with one we won't say which they are okay, but it's who's was who's used was hose. Because there could be some biases, just like the coffee test all over again. Yeah, exactly. We got you with that one.
So names were yet you say? Yeah,
I'll say gronk squad. all know that
one or Team gronk?
So Which do you like more the gronk squad or Team gronk which becomes our believers, essentially, I think gronk squad
gronk hashtag as well. Okay. Mr. 97? What we see gronk Okay, so we got,
we say I said this is not I said,
which one do you think? Who do you think came up with which I think TJ came up with gronk squad. And you came up with Tim gronk now
we've got him again. He's He's filed a few tests. Yeah. He couldn't identify the long black from 711. Early died. So yeah,
I came up with Team gronk and Josh he boy came out with gronk squat. My pushback on gronk squad was that the term squad is trying to be cool. And it's it's been ruined by a whole bunch of kids at primary school. Yeah, yeah, they've just created their squad. And so it's almost as she does the dad
you know the dad they just did a dive into a gift.
I would not name series and all that. I was mocking the dad but that's
how you can do it. double down on the call this
think that's it. Yeah, the dad's dead.
At least Team gronk. Could be a Could you imagine the squad and footage of all of us dabbing at the same time. That's a good idea.
Have you ever
try hard amongst this?
Can you can we say I paid Ryan? Can you try? I can try. You might have to stand?
So this is a video. This is on our YouTube channel. So you want to say if you don't know it,
can I just say be careful of the PowerPoint behind? Yeah.
Okay, here we go. So this is periscope paid. Do you know how to do it? Give it a go. What do you think it is?
Get some get some hits into it. Yeah. The backpack in the backpack? Yeah. Yeah.
You know, I think you actually nailed it. It's because you've had told you the backpack kid. He's like a. He's not he wouldn't be as tall as you bet. He has that sort of wire. Who is the backpack? He's the kid that came up with it. Is that made with the
last quarter? Really the better?
Mr. 97? He's, yeah,
you guys so far removed from pop culture?
We're just a squad trying to get
live it in.
Which is why don't think we go with Scott. This is anyway, jury's out. We'll work it out. We've had two to two verse two so far. So we'll find out whatever. majority rules I don't mind. Well, I like the idea that everyone's a friend. Yes. They get that next level gronk two three or so you're you're embracing it now.
I'm just saying.
Well, Pete's even gotten into the domain names. The other day. We're going for a walk on a Wednesday. Yeah. And he sent me what was it Wednesday? Walk calm. Yeah. Which is?
Oh, this is perfect. Yeah.
Thanks. Nice guys. Oh my god.
Can we get a cameo? What is this? Right Do you want to come on? Come on
hammer and deliver.
Thank you. It was a good writing for his next Yeah,
now we get it together.
Give him five years star ratings.
You know, never give anyone's star stars. So what we have
I mentioned on the show. No, I mentioned on the show, I believe yesterday. We have Kimmy changes for all of us.
Big Big general idea what it is. You will you heard you describe it. I still didn't understand what it was. So
it is a I believe it's a burrito. Okay. That's been deep fried.
So real healthy God. It's fat Friday. It's not your era. And when you think deep fried, you think it's going to come out like a bad sad.
So good. Be careful with the lead. So it's designed the way they do it is it's in like, one of those foil trays. But then the the cardboard lead has a tendency to get a lot of the goodness stuck on top. So
sticky. Sticky later
in the episode.
Title of the gronk squat
club. does smell
patriotism smell like what is this?
smells very deep fried.
I think it was 97 on the mix. I'm a fan of Mexican
you are I just I'm not sure about the date crawling on top.
I'd never heard of a deep fried burrito before. It was one of my friends who knew about it.
And so do you cook Mexican at home?
Not quite as much as Mrs. 97 by the sound of it. Yeah. I like to keep it pretty simple. Yeah.
She live just, I totally forgot what we did. And what we tried and attempted to do on one of the episodes, which was to call you. Yeah.
connect you with who? Who we would have hoped you thought was your girlfriend. Can you tell us? Can you tell us about what happened and what your girlfriend emailed us about?
Okay, yeah. So Chelsea, shout out she send you guys an email, I think after you said Who was it that wouldn't call each other on the phone? I think and you're sort of laughing when 97 about no one uses phones anymore? Yeah,
well, it's each generation. I was really sort of encouraging him to get on to the blog. Get on the blower
call heard paint. never heard anyone call it a blower before? Yes, yes. Okay, that I'm staying at a much much anger.
You've never asked her permission. So why us now? It's your show, bro. It's your show to say just do what you want. Yes, I was always encouraging like, I've seen the younger generation just totally glued to the messenger like I've received from young people. That sends me
Facebook messages over like about work. I've hired them to be a part of film shoots and they messaged me on Facebook. I might bro you're lucky I checked that.
Make sense? Yeah.
So that's what I that's what you heard. Yeah.
And then Chelsea, Chelsea new an email confirming that. Her and I have never spoken on the phone before you been together for two years. Three years.
So you live together. Now. live together? Is this a over the internet relationship? Have you ever met?
Anyone that has been catfishing?
And so Was there an actual discussion around the potential that you might start using the phone? I tried calling you today? You didn't answer? Yeah.
So I have. I have anxiety about phone calls. Okay, essentially what I boil it down to in fact, it's almost I think it's in our family. We have a joke about having to make phone calls is like one of the scariest hottest things you could possibly do.
And where does this come from? Like other being a family thing?
It's just like back from as young as I can remember where it's like all you gotta call the health insurance company. Yeah, you know. Yes, scariest thing ever it to the point where when I was working in corporates and startups and I was looking at the clients and I have to call them. I'd like get myself a meeting room price around for 20 minutes. Yeah, build myself up to call this person and end up having a great conversation with them. Whatever it is, I don't know what it is. It just gives me this like huge anxiety.
I feel like you're a guy that leans into it, though, with the in my mind that would seem to bring the result of getting rid of that. But you lean into it, but it's always there. So it doesn't ever go. It's never going
to happen. Zoom. This is the weird thing is zoom. Or I'm all about it. I love it. video conferencing totally fine. Absolutely fine with that. It's something I don't know what it is. It's something about Yeah, having to do a phone call just completely freaks me out.
prank call gone wrong when you were young.
You actually I don't know if I've like suppressed that.
We did used to do a little bit of prank calling. And really, I remember getting in trouble from one time we were calling out. I don't know one of the girlfriends that we are one of the girls that we had a crush on it. Yeah, three or something. And we called her and her mom and said I was like you can't stop going. This was I think maybe it might stem from Well, I remember having caught when I got caller ID. I was just seeking the prank call as I wanted them to cut. Yeah.
And I remember I had my friend
Robert cold me. But he was calling me from locklin's phone number. So I said Hello. Hey, it's Rob. And then the conversation started. He said what do you think of Laughlin? By the way, listening? Yeah, he's listening on the other thing so I hung up and I called back and my mom picked up and she said if you want to be Josh his friend, baby
Why stop calling. She's so I
Linds got my back
and my feedback to you just on that was one of my favorite things about the show is when you impersonate your mom so
yeah, thank you for doing that. I know it's a unique experience
what I hadn't seen was the facial expression when he does it going it's really nice I contact
intensity calm forward slash the daily talk show. You can have
something we actually we genuinely don't
you can I'll talk so these so prank calls. What it was a different era of the landline Mr. 97 Do you know what a landline is? Yeah, barely Do you have a landline at your home? Now you don't so you're anyone still my mom and dad day? Yeah.
Other than that not Is it the same number is your household among your childhood find them but no I
remember on the show I tried to call my childhood dumb it disconnected that's why I love to get that back you get a landline bring the landline back in
there was something like hipster cool. Yeah. people listening to records calling on landline we have you right? I don't have a mobile
suit when Mr. 97 there was a time when you couldn't tell who was cool. And this was a time when my mom and dad and our household received some light not cold and I remember I remember like hearing the sound of the home phone ringing
it rattles you don't you
late at night eerie. Yeah,
areas for someone died. Like the amount of like deaths or whatever. Oh my goodness. Like I just remember like my mom
died just by that it's in the house with a goat. Yeah. Anyway, I remember my brother, my eldest brother, who's he's older than me. So I don't know I would have been a young kid but he would have been a teenager. And there was some kids that cold and impersonated the police and said we've arrested
Anthony jacket. shot like earrings scary, like kids can be fucking awesome. Yeah, but that would scare the shit out of you. I think mama knew that he was fine. But back in the time when there was no moat like, my brother didn't have a 5210 which I had with his huge brick the size of
5210. Was that prior to the 30 to 10
the 30 year the 32 tank came after I think one mistake to wasn't 1030 to 1033 1033 15. Yeah, yeah.
Fancy sit. Yeah, had the flick down. I think was this 7072 50
or so we that are all numbers. Yes. Remember the
Motorola rise that changed the game that I had either pink?
A bit of a flex
take off been going there. But the reason I was doing and I think is because you could only similar to what happens now with the iPhones where it's like, I'm going to get this color because you can only get this in the new one. Yeah, the second the second
rise, which I think was actually thicker, which is sort of counterintuitive to where it's all sort of gone. But yeah, it was it was a strong
silver was a flex because you're like I've got the second verse. Yeah,
I think there's a bit like that, but I did have a Seaman's fine. That was my first ever fine that had polyphonic ring tones. Nice polyphonic ringtone. Remember, remember the ads and you used to have to McColl a number, right? So I actually edited one of those videos where it was like, text you and your partner's name to the number on the screen and find out if you're compatible. Like
all of this is going over Mr. 90 seconds here. Yeah,
no idea what's going on crazy how I remember like, parties. There was some home phones that got used to call those numbers in the back of newspapers or magazines. Naughty numbers. What about I saw cost like five bucks a minute. Nobody knows. Yeah, only numbers. They remember six lines
is it is still a thing. It's still a thing though. Short is
I haven't seen them. But people would use home phones at like party. Yeah,
she looks like a real steam. What about Yeah, Have you guys heard of swatting? No, that's horrible. So this is a big this is a big thing in the US in the gaming community. I saw a video on I think BuzzFeed have like a doc Oh series on Netflix at the moment. You know what that's called? 97. But anyway, they just follow Yeah, they're so good at that. enjoying it? Yeah. It's not like deep fried like you think it's soggy because they largely fraud? Yeah, yeah. But they basically swatting it's pretty horrendous. If you're playing a game, and you're really good, like, say Counter Strike or something, someone will basically find your address. And they say that there's been like, a gunman in the the person's place. And so the SWAT teams come to this half and someone someone's actually been killed by like, opening their door. What and someone's like, it's ridiculous. So anyway, because in the fact, it's brutal, and because police are like military law militarized in the US, so they've got a crazy guns and stuff. Okay. 47. Yeah, it's like, full on shit. But it's a real problem where I think there's like there was 1000 cases of swatting in the US. Last year. We've gone pretty far off
the story have gone a long way. Yeah,
absolutely. I mean, that's, that's the thing with phones. So like the I know it like with Skype and stuff. You can't do like emergency stuff, because I can't work out where you are. You can't use voice
so you're good with video call you just not good with getting on getting on the blog. Yeah,
something about it. Interesting. So that I think that what about
if what about if it's a phone call to Seth Godin would like if he said mate,
Mr. Pete chilly, he's just on Skype. Or
if you had to call him with this on eBay. Really? What about?
What about Josh calling me?
Speaking to Josh like, Who is there? Who is a life that doesn't evoke any?
What about mom? Probably mom and dad are the only two I reckon. Really? Like if my brother called me I'd be like, That's weird. What about if
someone's died? If I call, you start answering events? To answer you ever answered one of my calls? I think
once again, when you said I'm five minutes away, and I was there for 15 minutes, and then you call me.
I'm almost there. Were you impressed that I said that will two minutes away before and we were exactly two
minutes? Yeah, I'm happy with that.
Okay, so you've never spoken to Chelsea on the phone?
No. So there was a conversation we had I think the start Well, I think I shared with her the anxiety that I have on phones. And she also spent most of her day at work on the phone to people. So she was like, Yeah, I don't really like phone calls either.
just haven't had the need to speak on the phone. I know. It sounds weird to other people. But yes, it's like,
and when we should have when we speak about it. You consider you could look at the weirdness of it all the I consider it Yeah. And so you see that for the majority out there? Yeah, I think like sales calls and shit. Like I get heartbeat going and calling people I remember calling girls.
I can call Amy. First time I remember that is like it felt. What happened.
I tried to tell her. So when I met her in Bali, and we had and I came back with these hat. And I kind of knew where the hat came from. But there was a chance that because I mean, to this day, I mean, someone left in the room. So someone who was on the trip with us and the girl that was in your room? No, it was the tracking cap. It was the height when Hamish and Andy did the Hamish and Andy did the Thailand special. Oh, yes. And so they they had all these hats. Anyway, the hat belong to sorry, they had belong to Jesse Martin who was over filming with a mission. But I was like, maybe this hat could be enemies. Which is a good did they call
her and say hi, excuse. Have you? Did
you leave a hat
and also a lot of throw as well cuts like, I'm connected with entertainment. Like
never dropped the name. I will
state that whatever you say that you would have described. I
just yeah described the habits of green green, like as a sabotage symbols on it. But it was like, notably, I didn't go with that anger at all.
So what did you call her? I
called her and my heart was beating was this. I love that. And she said,
and she said, Oh no, it's not my hat
to some chatting. And I thought that was so fuck, that's bringing up some nice little warm
What do you talk about? We just talked like, this is the thing.
what time of day was it? It was a evening I was living in shepherd. And so I was like, lonely evening, I was lonely. And I was away from family and I coming down off that holiday where I met her and I was thinking about her every moment.
How far off from the the trip to the coma? Yeah,
two to three days.
I reckon. With the hat. They're thinking Well, yeah,
cool. Well, this is my advice, Miss 97. You gotta seize the moment. You've got to there's some energy and sort of excitement around from the moment you made some biggest frustration The moment you actually get together? Yeah. Is it? It actually contributes to the reason why you could end up together
or not? No, it isn't there. Also the other side of the coin, not to say that we should use the game as our standard of, but Neil Strauss talks about nagging. Yeah, I mean, a soft neg be
right, you could but I'm not here to fucking play games. Amy's thoughts around me telling her what I wanted in terms of calling her saying I want to see you. She loved that. Yeah, she was like, that was a big win for me. Because I didn't have to think about what you were thinking. Geez, I told you.
Do you think people are different? There's different types of people
differently. But I've tried all of the approaches, and Amy's had similar and she said, she just really valued that. And so then it's like, just Klay community do what you want to do, which I did. And she was at that point in her life that connected us. Yeah, that's why I'm saying like, maybe it is a bit like, do what you want. But whatever you do in that moment, there's some timing within that as well. Yes. And so anyway, I am colder and we spoke and we spoke for
you can answer it done a number of that. No, I'm anxious. Anyway,
why you should find on our because I was worried because the right thing. And so yeah,
we would speak for hours and especially when we're doing long this is really we would speak it not most, like when we started actually getting into a relationship. Yeah, you know, official, we will talk for so long. And it was every night and it wasn't lovely. long distances. Obviously playing a role there. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. And now still we talk on the phone. Hey Josh is on the phone to is to Bry hates
to ya. a follow up to
this business. Yeah, we've been trying. Yeah.
You know, I was in trouble at all my other places. Yeah. Cuz I would call break. And I'll say What? You know, what are you doing? Yeah, normally the answer is I'm working. What do you do?
I can't get my head around that. Yeah. Why would coach Chelsea and say what are you up to? should be working?
Well, cuz I'm trying to work out my car. What do you want to do? You want to do for dinner? Yeah,
it'll be like, Oh, I'm thinking like something naughty. My okay. Yeah.
Interesting. Anyway, so maybe that's been my experience with it. I love it. I love that. I
think in my defense, ya know, it sounds weird.
No, it's good. I like it.
We, especially early on, like, we try it at the same gym. So I knew basically, every day I was going to run to Chelsea at some point during the morning. So I didn't necessarily have that. When am I going to speak to you next kind of thing. We also lived all of 300 meters away from each other in Richmond. Right? Yeah. Which was helpful. And yeah, I think I think our version of that, like, this is how I want to be communicated with was me saying I have anxiety of a funk. And her going, especially people most eyes every day on the phone, so it doesn't interest me either. I'm up. Perfect. How quickly Did you bring that forward?
Pretty hell. Okay. So that's good. Yeah. pretty early on. Yeah.
It's a good like, I think there's, it's not it's definitely not nagging. Yeah, there's an element. Like, I think that I'd be like, Oh, that's huge. What are we? Yes. What a strange guy. And I like this. I always say like, yo,
disclosure, there's been a few moments. I mean, it's been three years, it's been a few moments where I'm like, would be easier if I just caught it. Yeah, but you don't want to break but it's almost to the point now where it's like, well, we've come this far.
What do you what do you think Seth Godin would say?
Who? Yeah, I mean, he's a friend of yours. Yeah. I'm sure he would say what's a phone call for?
If you were calling to have a conversation about nothing, he'd be like What's that for? Yeah, yeah, I get that whereas if it was like you know,
we surely relationship bit like who's on the couch watching TV? who's at fault? Why
love it? Do you honestly think you do you think he would?
direct me is a real one. I don't want
to I'm not judging you at all. Because it's like it's your life I've got mine It's like it
that's such a judgmental
noting because I don't want to seem by me prying in this sort of opposite thinking is me being mean to Pete and what he's choices that I respected. He feels like a lot. But
the thing is, I I think I'm on board with other things. For instance, the idea of getting water from downstairs before to the cafe was a bit too much for me. Yeah. So Mr. 97 dinner.
But I think like we all have our own anxiety. Like there Honestly,
I think there are a few things that bring up anxiety from a social anxiety I'm quite good socially. But for whatever reason, phone calls is
just one of those things.
Toilet is one for a lot of people going to the toilet new places. not pulling it work. It's
really for me it's a Maura
we've spoken about before, but if you're a female and they haven't been to the men's toilets, they have they called troughs. What do we call that? You're an old trough.
say this is the guy doesn't use one.
No, I you
know, I definitely know I use one. But if I really need to go, I just the the pressure in which I want to push, if there's just a risk of splashback that I just don't want to have to deal
with. This is a man who barely progress from nappies.
Do they do sort of understand what I mean? as a as a toll dude, is there issues with urinals for you? I'm sure
there's something with the the height is missing on man. You don't realize this? Very much coming down with
Yeah, that's actually works out quite well. Because I think the risky is that. Yeah, like when they have like plastic, you know, they've got like a gel thing or whatever. Where I'm not sure. Where am I meant to? I'm?
Do you know? Yeah, no, I don't think about it. I just think I just go
Yeah, what do you think? There's a lot of thought in the toilet. you aim at the ceramic bit like,
right, do what's best for the moment. Yeah,
that means you guys don't know well.
toilet. But CJ, you've had peace on your pants before. So you're not
never never had it?
On your pants? You like how the fuck of my PC, my pants. I don't know, here. There's a toilet. So it's pretty directional. There's no piece. But you guys
know, it's just a big statement.
in your pants. I'd rather you see my pants. And
there's also certain colors. There's just like, if I wear certain colors. I've got to be very, very, very pedantic. And it just happens. You just need one bad, you know, for one little bit of spray back or whatever. Yeah, for it to fuck you. And that's what happened with me. It happened once and I'm like, Well, what am I doing?
Pete? So with clients and coaching clients?
Nothing. What's the I mean, what we're talking about here is little things that we make really big. And that not being a bad thing. It just being the thing? How, what is the? What's the mechanism for moving forward through these things? I don't know. I mean, we can we can do the call to you, Mrs. And have the first ever moment. I want to tell you, you don't want to do that. I don't want to pressure you into it.
What about maybe doing it a year ago on the show?
Maybe we could do both? What's your fear? TJ? What do you what do you
and I feel levels of all of these things. To some degree. I think about what other people think of me a lot. But but i but i don't i don't know how much it affects me. But I definitely feel I think Josh like that cool thing, you know, like, wanting to seem like you've come across cool. I've worked a lot of that being something that I you know, I I don't want to get too much about what people think of me, but I definitely care what people think of me.
I think everybody does. Yeah, if you think about I've spoken about this with a few people before, but if if fear is like an onion, and every time you unpack a fee, there's another line. I think the core of the onion, for everybody is the champion. It's also the most amount of tease. I think it's the fear of what other people think of us, I think, every almost so many things that we do out of fear based on the perception of other people. What you when you come on a show like this, what do you reckon the guest fees would be when you recognize I think that's it is like I don't want to come across as an idiot. I want people to think that I'm interesting. I want people to think that I'm funny. I want TJ and JJ to think you know, that I'm worth having on again. There's all of those fears. I'm sure go through every single person that
comes on the show. And now everyone's thinking, can I become Tim gronk
make it through the team or back to Team gronk.
She laid my side back on
I don't want to seem stupid. I think doing something like this. The podcast is like the antidote to Absolutely. making yourself look silly, which means you're not worried about looking silly and modeling.
I think like I have my own podcast and with with Jen Wellman. And we've spoken about before, but I think it's the sort of thing that even if no one was listening, I would still hundred percent do and I think I actually think everybody should do it. Like it's a bit like blogging 10 years ago. there's value in writing down your thoughts in the same way. There's so much value in just talking about things out loud. So I totally agree.
Plugins changed a bit. I don't know if we spoke on air with Genevieve about that, but like, bloggers worth, like bloggers were real thing. I think about like, some of the people who I followed on Twitter Darren Rouse pro blogger, pro blogger, pro blogger, that was his whole thing. And still easiest thing. what's the what's your take on the blogging thing? You have a blog? You're right on it. Do you think that the all the social media stuff, and podcasting has changed the landscape? I think
a little bit, the thing that always makes me smile and laugh about blogging is so many people say they do it. But then you go on their blogs, and it's like the last post with I think the consistency of showing up every single week or every single day if you're Seth Godin. So, so rare, but everyone's got one that who's actually actively writing so I actively write on a Sunday every week. Yeah, I've committed to that for the last almost two years. And you and I were talking about have we spoken about the page like the writings in the morning the morning or the morning pages?
Is like it just lays
in bed do you do? I've actually I've changed since we talked about that Really? So I used to roll over and grab my notebook and then just do it on my on my stomach while I was still in bed. Maybe it was because it was summer now I get out of bed and there's a I just got a bedside table that I can stand at. Yeah, because I think I was doing it while I was laying in bed and then I'd like get tempted to fall back asleep
Really? Did you ever fall asleep I doing fall asleep but I
would get halfway through a page and then be like,
Oh, it's like meditating lying down.
You got to get yourself out of bed. Yeah, and then like maybe I'll go the bathroom specially the water my face and I'm splashing in the water on the faces
that I realized maybe three years ago I was making a video and there was some parents and they were getting their kids ready for bed. And they're like oh, okay, I want Let's clean your eyes clean your eyes like they get it like you know claiming that close your eyes and claim I would never claim my eyes before clean your own clean your eyes like cleaning like old asleep like this. Let's get all the gunk off getting up in the morning going to bed was going to bed.
I think that's just a family quote. I think it not I mean in the morning like you can rub the sleep
with you I is it actually like as
a as a father, I think you you tell your kid. Like I said what should he and he any?
Why is it always come to
me? Because who teaches you to do this? I gotta tell my son for the first couple of years of his life. You gotta wash your dick because he wouldn't know I wouldn't know until he does this. And then I started now as I was just California near and Europe so it's like it will get there maybe it's a thing that soon down the track and that need to be told that we
take for granted that you would say it like
someone has to teach you that
how often when you guys are washing your hair Do you like get out of the shower and realize that you still got shampoo in
Yes. I like to just let it sit and then I do my other stuff. Yeah, yeah,
I have the one hasn't happened to me. I don't really I don't wash my hair that much.
got solid Hey, lawn and dance. Hey.
But how often are you getting your haircut? For for every four weeks?
Where do you go? Go to beats barbers enrichment assignment, which
I did. I want you to say a barber.
It is a hipster Baba, you gotta be you know, you gotta be I can't go there. I get anxiety around the masking didn't want to be the answer's no. And that you said Josh
gronk and the drunken barber on Smith straight. I was just so panicked. It was in the name, bro. Yeah,
they didn't have Are you afraid, dear? I just wanted it to be like, as you want us.
I mean, this is a hard question for me to ask. And I'm asking you, here we go. So I don't I don't have the answer specifically for me. But in terms of forming that sort of habit and why you show up each day and do the thing that you do? What have you identified what it is for you? Yeah,
I think I think I started it. Because I mean, I've always been one that's kind of been a little bit obsessed with this idea of making yourself a little bit better doing things that are going to be beneficial for your health and your fitness and your mind. And so I think I started because of that. But I'm also quite good at forming habits and stick sticking with habits that I know make me feel better. And so once I'd done it for I think I sort of realized that had been three or four months and then I was like I think this is helping a loving this fan gronk
to the left to the mail
47 by seven centimeters.
I didn't realize that McConnachie because the thing is, it's Friday, but the way they're set up, they're not all crunchy, you get that? It's like summer, it's crunchy. Some it's not
anyway, sorry, man. Sorry. No, that's wrong.
I just I think once I got to a point where it was three or four months, and then, uh, maybe I think I might have gone on a holiday. And I didn't do it. And I like noticed that I had more, I guess cloud and anxiety in my head. I was like, that's pretty interesting. So what if I kept doing and so I just sort of experiment with, you know, writing three pages, wanting one page, not writing and like all those different things in a moment, just writing one page every morning. It just is a habit that, for me is worth doing. And sometimes it leads to blog ideas. Sometimes it leads to a podcast idea. 99% of the time, that's just crap. But I just feel better, because
there's probably been a million blog posts about this topic in terms of 30 days is the number of days to form the habit, the pathways. What do you think about that? I don't know if it's 30 days, at least 28
days, but I think it turned out to be a bit of a myth.
Something I've I'm going to recently is, is this framework, the Gretchen Rubin podcast, she has a podcast but she has this framework called the happiness project is Yeah, but she has this thing called the four tendencies. And it's not like those personality profiles that tries to pigeonhole you but it's basically how we respond to expectations and and there's four different ways that we responded and the way that I happen to respond is if I make a promise to myself, or if someone else like says that you need to do this thing. I'm what they call and uphold it and so I'm just really good at upholding my promises.
You know, I'm not enough holder
Yes, the moat my problem. Most people are what they call rebel. Rebel, this questioner is upholder obliges. I'm most people need someone else to hold them accountable. Yeah, that's why people like coaches and mentors and all these sorts of things. Because we need that accountability. I think I'm, I think I'm one of the rare cases of if I commit to something like a news resolution, I know I can kind of just stick to it. I don't know why or how it's just you're not called. I'm an opponent.
So does that mean,
you're more careful about the news resolution? I'm very like, yes. Bang, bang.
So I heard yours. I'm just like, it was giving me anxiety because I was like, there's no white like, you can't possibly do all that. That's just annoying. Yeah.
tell me what it was like three hours of reading. Right? Yeah. Yeah,
you're gonna do all these here.
You're projecting go?
Very, it's very true. That was that was probably the best impersonation that Tommy's ever done.
Perfect. Do you? Yeah, that makes
sense. Sounds like the best party.
The said the morning the morning pages. You're very strict. You're very strict on that. The other thing I noticed is very strict on your diet. Yeah. Because I was talking about like, man, how am I going to be laying How can I be laying? And nobody was saying you wanted to be gold? Yeah. Yeah.
stand by that. I stand. Stand by
seek but just sort of gold is directly related to sick people. Or people have been severely ill.
No, seriously. I think that there was something nice. I told
you my grandfather's gone after
world war two when he was captured, too. But the thing is, that it's that it's more like the I'm not over doing the food like gone says, I've got enough control that I only ate what I need to survive. If you go until you're dead you've ever done it. If you go into and still living, you probably just you're on the cusp. But what's the difference between not eating enough and eating too much? What about
what about the option because that's what we do have the option of being fit and healthy. gronk lean? Lean is the word Yeah.
But you have like a lot of like
your body, a person who's gone unless it's from isn't a shitload of exercise, and they're actually in that stage. And they've worked so hard, they're still fit and gone. But what about being an optimal engine? Yeah, just have to speak Hello. It's just a vessel dude, if you can have a good vessel.
My point wasn't about my diet. It was about paid a chef it's diet, pay what you actually like, what do you have rules around this because you're not like he made the rule 20 years ago, and he's upheld.
been that long because it was Chelsea that sort of set you on this path was I definitely have
heard of thank I, I started learning and understanding a lot more about food, and fitness and health before I met her, but then she's like, to the next level of awareness of what to eat and what not to eat. And again, it comes from the same place of the writing is like, if I can set myself up to be fitter and healthier and happier and just feel better and have more energy. I'm going to do it. And so when I realized like the aha moment of Holy shit, having four bits of toast in the morning, and then two sandwiches for lunch, and then having another bit of toast when I get home from work, what a bread. That's why I'm always tired, because I just had so many carbs, everything dense carbs, it, you just don't need. So once I like had that aha moment, and I started reducing. I was like, Oh, I feel better. Interesting. Let me learn more about this. So
isn't it fucked up though? How, like, that's really easy for you. But the idea is, like, straight away. I'm like, Yeah, but I can make a phone call. Yeah,
Isn't it weird, though, that it's like it's it's like doing a podcast every weekday is really hard. For some people. It's easy for me. Yeah.
Is it is these limiting beliefs like exists? We fought. So for instance, something that I've always says if it's in my house, are fascinated. And I've said that for a long time, but I've only really recently would have died at my mom
and dad's place.
And my mom and my mom, and
we now have a snack habit, that for some reason, we just started. I mean, I on this no sugar during the week, which sometimes it was. But we've actually started keeping naughty traits that we have on the way Yeah, we haven't been touching them. And I'm like, fuck all this needs for me to do is form a new belief. That's if it's in the house. I don't have to wait it. Yeah, I choose to it was something like that. So yeah. So there are that's what I remember doing. Like when I did my coaching course. It was always like, what are your beliefs, write them all down, and then challenge them? Because they just you've just formed them in some
it's a story. Yeah, every single thing that we have in our head is a story. And I've heard you guys talk numerous times about, there's the opposite of every story is also true for someone. So whatever you believe, someone else thinks you're irrational, and whatever they believe you think maybe they're irrational. And so we're all irrational beings in some way.
So how do you reframe the phone thing? How do you do that you do a month where it's like, I'm not going to do text message like you go old school? I think so like, if I'd be like an older person where they're like, don't do text, just call me.
I think if I really wanted to, it would have to be, you would have to be clear to me on what's it for. But if I really wanted to, I could. I'm sure I said to myself.
Two phone calls instead of text messages. Yeah. I just don't know if I have the yc belief in it's going to help me Hell is gonna
help. Well, I guess that's like the
ring you then maybe that's why you said isn't
it meant that I make about like, not going to the psychologist where I'm like, I don't think like, I don't think it's going to add anything right now. But is that just part of the anxiety in the story?
Well, maybe. But I think there's got to be in order to motivate anyone to do anything. You have to be clear in like, what am I getting? What's the benefit? Why am I doing this? Otherwise, you're going to know you're not going to do it? Yeah.
Well, I think we can all build a case for and against. Yeah, for our own problems, right. It's like, you can challenge your thinking around that. And I'm sure you can come up with 10 new things, more leads, yeah, more interaction with others that will connect me with other you know, whatever,
there's a bunch could be a better I mean, who knows? Probably could be the case that Chelsea and I could have a better relationship. If we spoke every day on the phone, instead of sending 20 messages a day on the phone or whatever.
The good thing is that you're allowing the the phone call to have come through when you're ready to make the call.
You know, the problem
we have the exclusive place. Yeah,
But I love that he wouldn't give us a call. When I'm ready. I'll give you
know about the context.
There is a there is a risk in you being fought this is going to take it dark for a sec. Just paid on the cameras very smiley right now. So I'm just preparing for the doc bed. Night, someone dies, something happens, it's going to force you to make a call totally. Maybe you're better off getting it out of your system before the negative thing. Just so because otherwise, someone dies. You have to Chelsea about it, then it's only just reaffirming that the only time called happen is is bad stuff. Yeah,
I think it's a fair point. I can I can almost guarantee the first time even when I called Chelsea. We asked her and say Who died? like yeah, it'd be like what happened? Yeah.
And what I love that you say Josh bring the pain forward? You know, in all the things we're doing What's the hardest bit more? How can we do that? Now, to then phrase into this next space we have
if you if you do it, it's like it's like that stretching thing. But the thing is that, if I applied that to the gym, if I applied that to all these things, that would be really good. I guess we just make these choices that it's like, this isn't? For me.
It's interesting. I like that idea if you do the hard part first. Yeah, we talked about that a lot in the autumn. Yeah, do the hard part first. But I think to your point is, I think I wrote about this recently where we almost forget what our unique strengths are. And so like, I work with a lot of creatives and performing artists, actually on Broadway in New York. And what they don't realize is that getting up in front of 1000 people and performing every day is incredibly daunting and scary for so many people. They're like, What do you mean, this is what we do? Yeah. Whereas, you know, you can pick up the phone and have a phone call when I'm here like, I could never do that. And then I can stick to morning pages be like how do you do that? Like we all have something that we're good at? Sometimes we get to a obsessed with comparing ourselves and beating ourselves down. And it's kind of worth looking at. What am I good at? What if I just double down on that instead, and I can live with not paying on the phone and not making phone calls, because I'm doing all this good stuff over here.
I identified yesterday when we're talking about the the lease and not reading the lights, how much pushback I have from reading something, because I feel like when I read it, I'm going to internalize it. So emails, I don't like reading even when you texted me this morning. You know, I read it once. And then I sort of forgot exactly what you said. But I just wrote back what I was thinking at the time, just because I didn't for whatever reason. I'm like, I just don't want to have to take in every word. I mean, what's what the fuck is wrong with?
Do you think there's that? So I do this to actually, sometimes you read an email and you're like, I can't. I can't even think about that more. Yeah. And then you leave it for a day. And it's like weighing on, you know, worse and worse and worse and worse. I've heard someone talk about this on a podcast of I think they call it be the show shark that like a shark doesn't read an email and go what the shark doesn't read email at all. Yeah, the point is, the shark doesn't say a fishing guy. I'll come back and read that in 24 hours. It just goes I'm gonna go and eat that. So it's like, you read the aim for lighter.
Greg, Greg Norman.
wonder if he's on email.
Anyway, see, Greg Norman. There's some interesting stuff about him. He brushes his teeth with one leg standing out like one leg. like can we can you confirm that with
David know who? Do you know who this guy was? What's his name?
Greg Norman. Do you know what he does?
You don't know who he is the shark. That's great.
He's 90. I always confuse Greg Norman with Paul Hogan. Yeah,
well, I really get imagined Paul Hogan the famous strain the actor would play.
He definitely has that
shock missing 97 can tell us because they might be we've probably lost a whole lot of people with the Greg Norman
so go So Greg not typing Greg Norman quirks rush teeth
are not saying it is because he's gonna work.
What are you doing?
Well, he needs to discover who Greg nominees let me not say No, I'm saying we want side because all might have this moment.
It's gone. It's
I realized him. He's got a good tan. America.
still hasn't gotta
find anything about so he's a gopher. Yeah.
Well, he was one of the best golfers in the world. Now. I can't see any nothing about. I have heard that. I actually, I think it might be in can if you've got a Tim Ferriss book tribe of mentors open up to the Greg Norman one. I think it's because I think he's been asked on on that one potentially.
How'd you get good to work on his balance? Yeah,
I think you like when I feel like like polarities and stuff. So this
is a good example of something that if I identify as good for me, I'll start doing like, oh, potentially start doing that. If there's enough evidence behind it. Thanks. I'll give you an I'll give you a brush your teeth with the opposite. Yeah, I've done that. I did that. And I think it's just annoying. Like you don't brushing properly. Yeah.
Well, it's interesting seeing the development of a key my son saying which hand he's gonna go with.
So has he got a preferred one?
left? Wow, stickies.
It doesn't judge my switches left. If you use your other hand, it feels like someone else's.
Friend of mine once told me that.
Why are you pointing to me? I've never said in my life, that would be a piece of advice.
What context would wave and say something?
That is absolutely.
Talking about porn and stuff? Like,
I was saying I I came up. You quit.
I quit on? Yeah, it's been great. I fucking love it. I don't know if it made me say no, but what I'm saying is maybe the getting offered or the starting to do something, this new thing that you've done. There's empowerment when you when you actually say it through for a while, and then he like, it's not me guys, like identifying as the person doesn't watch it. Yeah.
Well, I think that actually is helping me stay off on a thought you said before is like these things, you realize the choices all of a sudden, you know, I have the agency to change my mind and do something else instead. It's like, that's actually quite empowering. Well, I think too often we get stuck in we think we have to do this. We have to do that. We have to watch porn, or we have to do whatever to make ourselves happy was forced. Yeah.
That's our friend of mine. This is a belief he said, I I can't have sex unless I watch porn. Because he watched porn like,
white. He has to watch porn during sex.
I'd say even like to get into it. He's like, I can't get it up now. Wow. Based on. Like, I was saying not watching porn. You can use your imagination a bit better.
But that's pretty funny. If you get to the point where it's
horrible. Yeah. Yeah.
With a partner, right? Yeah.
And so that's a real problem. I didn't have I didn't have that. Yeah. Maybe I should stop this. Yeah. Yeah,
I think I think that's the equivalent of saying like, at least I'm not doing heroin. A
little bit of that, but
at least I'm not doing heroin.
That's really that's really, really surprised me that you still doing TJ the sleep? Sorry, the waking up in the morning meditating, meditating. Yeah.
Well, I'm on this. So I've done out of the app. 37 days. I'm on Sam Harris's. Yeah, Sam Harris is on 12 days. I haven't missed a day for this building 12. Because I what I did was I did it for a say two, three weeks. And then I stopped in for a couple of days. And I just was sporadic. But this month, I've just been on it. And it's
yet how do you find the app? Because I've been using the same one. It's awesome. What day you and I think I finished the 60 day.
60 days, when do you do it?
Just in the morning paid off to my morning pages. Yeah, that's nice. So I do it. I've done the 60 days. And now there's a daily lesson that just comes up. So it's amazing every day. Yeah.
Great. So I've got I'm 37 in.
And so Sam's tours, and all of them. Yeah,
it's him. Yeah. He's like, I've used headspace in the past. And I really, really liked headspace. But he's like very he almost intellectualizing Oh, I actually quite like it. But he when he says stuff like, look at you look at your head, you already said that you like what? Look at it, that he's sort of saying staring into space. Now look at your head. Like, how do I do that? Anyway, it's
the same pinpoint. So like, the thought you have or where you feel like you're thinking from? Where is that? Yeah. And so it's like, this is all these feelings and everything that's going on senses, smells sought hearing is all happening in consciousness. And so it's like, Where is this? And so I think he tries to help you challenge what you believe is consciousness. We're in behind these two, you know, with these eyes behind this head. And so I like that scientific approach it takes to sort of have you realize that what we believe and what we think, from what we've grown up with is not the way it is. Do you think it's the ultimate branding exercise for him? Like being the voice of all these people's meditation? I just
been doing it for years. I think that that's sort of like it's like your, your mom's got like a whole? Yeah.
And so would like is today then become these gurus or like the, you know, what's, what's it called? What are the guru? Like, is that a fit? Like, I wonder if that's a thing where it's like,
people are building these relationships with Sam. Hmm, based on him being in the
headline, the daily talk is pretty similar to a podcast. Yeah. But in the sense that if people listen to you, every day, they feel like they get to know you a little bit, even though they've never met you. I mean,
I this is the thing, right? People like Seth Godin, or if you go sort of back people like Gandhi or these super prolific people at the time of their existence, we're doing the thing So Sam Harris might be that guy, right that in, like you're saying in 20 years time, we're looking back at Sam, so he taught so many people would like easily say though,
they think because it's the same things as us. He like has an iPhone. Yes. Like, yeah,
I know. I think it's harder to have
to be the person in history that made huge significant change. Other than these moms, like Jeff Bezos and stuff, they they're the new pioneers of people, you know, people that be remembered of Jeff
Bezos this monster but
well i think he's created actually just got He's
the owner of him. I just got a notification of an Amazon He's
a monster. You heard what we told you he preempted me mentioning his name whatever Julian Assange
today in the HTC the video Ecuadorian Yeah, something or other I watched the four minute
subtitled video of the Ecuadorian president boys the risk with Tommy you'll read the your watch the four minute thing
it was right it was interesting hearing why they kicked him out and I can't even rely it but it was like a bunch of small stuff a bunch of stuff going on. He was using he didn't want to use their internet and all this stuff. I mean, they supported him for like seven years and I don't know much about it, but he got a buffet breakfast nice morning.
And he had been like, full Bed and Breakfast Bed and Breakfast surely.
Well, I did see like him getting carried out freaked me out because it was just like you have this idea of what he looks like in your head based on like a few years ago and he's like crazy beard he looks like David Letterman what Letterman like now like crazy. So
but hopefully looks like a little like you know like the garden. This is the thing don't do that when you're getting taken out because they're gonna take the one frame that you actually look like a small little messed up. Yeah,
pull economy, Greg.
Any snap any frame, even if he capturing 1000 frames a second. He's looking good. Have you ever been handcuffed? Never? Really? I've been taken to the police station for question. My
brother was doing scouts and he's friends dad was a security guard and he had handcuffs which where the fuck did the security
citizen's arrest me Yeah,
this was like in the 90s or whatever but the kid put the handcuffs on my brother but they didn't have the K and so they were like a religious type center that was attached to the shopping center I remember mom being mortified because my brother James had to be walked through the shopping center with Hank
mortified I don't
know what she would wouldn't have said anything okay just absolutely mortified Josh the I remember my my teacher in grade six he as a side hustle was the security guard is in Beverly Hills shopping center. And he was telling us how yeah he couldn't like as well pumped about ever like man like you do tackle anyone he's
like security house literally can't do anything they just like a wall can follow and be like you can't do mine. I was big on citizen arrests I remember no no no no, I just remember being so fascinated wasn't like citizens arrest I remember
as a kid it was a great bit of like trivia that you had
anyone yeah rusty anyone
no look it up anyone can you look up citizens are restless and I seven I want to know what the sort of the ins and outs are
to do you think I could do a city?
Definitely not I don't think you have the skills to manipulate someone who would be in need I think if you were to do if you're doing the physical bit and I was doing I knock them out and
you can have this one I think with both of us they're
taking in Josh
now just like be very stern.
We needed to grow we need to start BJ j Brazilian Jiu Jitsu if we want to really be capable on that risk. Not I've done not not to not I haven't gone to a class. I want to. I want to buy the full out. It's all the rage
at the moment. I mean, body workout and like right to burn fat and all that. Yeah.
If there's one fighting form or form of self defense,
BJ Yes. What
do you what do you do exercise wise?
I go to CrossFit gym in Richmond. The stretch. Yeah, it's a bit of stretching. I've tried to do more of that recently because I'm quite long and tall and I just am always so uncomfortable. And so so I've been seeing a physio and I guess he's a yoga instructor as well. He's got a masters and so he comes at it from a very physiotherapy physio therapeutic background. I think I just met upward Yeah, he's trying to help me that like loosen up my back and my hips and stuff so yeah, I do
a bit of stretching is what we've done the magnesium spray,
not the spray, but I've done the like the flotation
tanks it goes along with it. Who
I'm just saying that it's probably like a big
surprise. Bry spritz?
Yes. If you taking dead lifting 200 kilos every week, you probably
still going to do much how many magnesium tablets have you taken? I
usually take one night just before bed. Yeah, but you gotta be careful. Have you made this
mistake? Well, I took three I was woken up by my own aeration. No that was just
gonna say I was gonna say like
diarrhea I think I don't know because apparently I learned this. I googled it Yeah, it was like painful it's a thing
because an erection I've said this Mr. nine seven to remember me teaching you this. What what is what in whatever direction actually relaxation of the muscles the erection is actually the relaxation of the muscle, not the stiffness interest. I'll tell you right now I got into a conversation with my wife. She's like, what is your dick? Like? What is it? It's a muscle? No, it's not what really? No, it's not a muscle.
What are you going to do? It's like blood rushing incognito lock
your phone right
now, but it's not a massive I think that's where it says soda is like this. You know the pen
you must have magnesium and erection just to check But no, seriously, three was a
citizen's arrest Mr. 97. So to find out hope you've done two browsers.
Well, I can tell you what I would say if I was arresting someone what would you say? Excuse me Stay where you are. You are under citizen or citizens arrest. That's what I would say that.
I would just laugh and woke
up. Yeah, I would definitely.
I'd say phrase for phrase.
Your hand Ryan this is the thing do you Jason I could
imagine you're intense about it too. Yeah.
Why would you do it? I think the there's a few decisions and enemy bad at what we want. And what
would you what would be the thing that would make you do it?
I can tell you? You can go if you want. If there was
if I felt like I could take them on? That's probably I couldn't be a massive Yeah, if it's sort of Yeah, if it's like someone who's got weapons, it's gonna be good. If I'm in a car, hundred percent would run them over feel strong. Yeah,
like if if someone
was doing something like this, that's
why I stay there.
get done. Would I get done if I saw someone breaking into a car, my own car. So thinking about this a while ago when we in our cage in our old apartment block there was people stealing shit. And I thought if I was to come home, and I could see them at the cage, could I drive into them and pin them to the cage?
And you could they they'd probably they'd probably get away with the crime based on me doing that it's fairly aggressive like it's fairly fucking extreme force for someone just looking through Okay, just something in
the police force where you're allowed to go like one level above the act of violence and then sure, yeah, I don't know how to listen but I think
they have a weapon and it's drawn this is why it's murky right I have
to justify I had to go up against this is how the case
right yeah. Mr. Nice havens got some heavy coats. Yeah. So with the citizens arrest
the force you can apply has to be reasonable and proportionate to what they applying so proportionate? Yeah, so I think we've at least they can go above the ocean or whatever that guy so I would head out to the fence so to prevent the offender from escaping, so if someone was pinning breaking into your into their
white they're all gonna break into your head alone. You couldn't run into them.
I know I could.
New cage and you drive the car up this lock
if I just block them if I pinned them, but
you don't know when it's really hurting them. Okay, that's enough. You got me?
in me, oh.
And on the erection thing. Yes,
just tissue and magnesium does cause tissue to relax.
But is there an actual connection? I just want to show that I'm not bullshitting the connection between magnesium and erection I did not know that and and for some reason I told like the whole family and then when I was staying at mom and dad every time every night I was having magnesium mom would say don't take too many
which is this is it.
Basically your mom said you don't get it. Don't get an erection tonight he got Josh was actually very effective way of not getting
magnesium is essential for metabolism of metabolism. nitric oxide, which helps in pain direction. Yeah,
so you could use it as like a natural Viagra may be
interesting. Interesting because apparently there's a big there's a
doctors prescribing Viagra like a huge scale in the US I heard really Yeah. Like for older older dude. It's like a bit of a bit of a problem. Same with like a lot of the ADHD drugs and things like that. Yeah.
Is it a problem that are all in America? Adderall? Yeah.
Adderall spade. It's like
that's what that's what HTC medical Yeah, actually
Yeah. But it's not really that big of a problem for all blokes. What just need a need a helping hand. Yeah,
it's not good for you like heart and
who owns Viagra Pfizer it's like a massive massive pharmaceutical because basically runs America was Pfizer worth always love to look up the
net worth of company and then key look up Fitbit stock. p
p f, isn't it? Yeah. He said, yeah. Yeah.
pF? Yes. Yeah.
97 I'm sure
he's laughing. Do you want
to take much medication you'd like a non handed own stuff? Do you ever take pen
at all? I took panda doll and panda Dean. Last week actually, because I had a double walked with this virus last week and he still managed to walk with me on the Wednesday. I have recovered. You're recovered by that was that was Pilar isn't it? Move Monday. I was couldn't run. I could hardly do Monday. So I took Pepperdine which is headed on coatings are assembling pen and ink for the next level up. So I had Pepperdine as prescribed by a doctor because I was unable to move from dead basically for was it as I said a virus.
Do you have a family doctor? That was do you go to the site? The problem is I don't have a family doctor. So every time I go to a doctor, I've got to be like, if I if I start from scratch, I'll be like, yeah, where do I go? To the 24 hour clinic if I wanted like a medical cert?
What's wrong with you go to a doctor. Any doctor.
It's good to have one that knows you. So I have had one growing up
the doctor bomb that was my doctor, but he's in in devil hills and he would be basing all of his medical knowledge. Yeah, from me from being like 11
different. relevant. Dr. Minaj and Brighton insane every of mine. Everything. Wow. You know, I gotta go in twisted balls.
That really happened to Yeah, you can get tested.
it's like untwist themselves. But sometimes you need surgery. I didn't need surgery. Thank God, it's it's full on what do you guys do when you need to go to a doctor now? How do you find a doctor? And the straight Medical Center is like, typically the parameters are pretty rough.
I actually just go for bulk bill. I'm just like, I don't want to pay for this. Yeah. If I need a script for some something which I don't so rare, right? Yeah. I there is. There's something nice about going to the same person. But it's hard nowadays, like a lot of doctors to clean. super high tonight. Yeah,
I saw I had been for a while. And then I went there one day and he was going well, I guess you know, my doctor. So last week, I was in a polar bear and my my uncle was actually there who's a doctor. So that was convenient. That's great. That was a family doctor in a sense of humor. That's good.
What's the deal with having your own Kudo? Is that okay? I guess
he said why he's not writing the script for Viagra.
codeine is pretty safe. Yeah. So I that was when I to answer your question. That was the last time I had medication. But apart from that, yeah,
not at all. I want to find out what you're excited about in the future. But I think we will finish off but I want to know from Mr. Nice 770 billion
dollar father. Yeah,
that's how much he's gonna make this.
One 1 billion in comparison. 100 billion hundred.
father's been around for a long time making money and saving is strong and hard for you.
So you're going to Indonesia
next week next week? Yep. Got a little holiday. So you go through Bali. But then when you get to Bali? Where do you go from any a boat across to the Gili Islands? place called Gilly T. Cool. You should be cool. Fly to Denver, sir.
Memphis are we have to stay in Ireland? We got a boat over the next morning. Yeah. How far is the boat ride? Do you know? I think it's an hour and a half. So it's not too bad. Not too bad. I'm okay. on boats. Chelsea gets a bit seasick. So she's a bit nervous. But,
you know, one recommendation Don't do like the ginger travel calm. You know, like there's two types. There's the natural. Yeah. And then there's like the one that's like medical? Yeah. The ginger one was always was that a natural one? Yeah, it's a natural one. Right. And mom had said to me that guy, the natural one. But I thought that might be the same part of our brain that can sometimes be like, outrageous, you know, like older people tend to they've got a few
ever say something. Yeah,
And so that was that was one of them where I'm like, you were just against the natural thing. Buy me a ticket and I was feeling so sick. Just chewing on this dumb fucking tablet thing. Something to do. That's about it. That's probably
wise to get carsick. Mommy's to give me a piece of chewy and say you that
stare straight ahead, build the life
long the graduation road, and I just be staring straight ahead go.
as a business owner, what's what's the thoughts? Taking a holiday? Scary? Yeah,
super scary. Yeah, I it's been something I've not done. As a business owner. I've taken trips for work like work trips. So this is
a long time in the making, I guess. And I've been thinking about it and trying to plan around it for quite a while. I will say my laptop and I'll probably do a little bit of work. But I'm going to try and do as little as possible. And
do you continue your meditation you pages? Yeah, it's a good question. I
haven't landed on that yet. I have a tendency on a holiday to just sometimes do it. And sometimes not kind of just say how I feel. I could give myself like, I'm torn on one hand. I know. It helps me feel good. Yeah. But on the other hand, I kind of like to give myself permission to do what I want to race it. Yeah. So I'm sure I'll do it a couple of times a day or a couple of times during the two weeks, but probably not religiously every day. We listen to the podcast or do you think you'll have a break from the book? I
think I'll still listen to podcast. Yeah, I went on. Even last week, I went surfing with my dad for four days, I was like to be granted a switch off or any technology. Instead of walking around. I was like, um, as always in the podcast, podcast, podcast, and so I'm looking at the surface. You're still you're still switching off and relaxing. But I enjoy listening to podcasts. I'm still gonna listen Polka. Yeah.
How long do you spend in the water when you go surfing?
Anywhere from one hour to three hours probably is pretty standard, depending on how good the
live isn't a nice, it's like you're saying you're standing there looking and you're listening paga but it's the one time you actually disconnect. You focus, task orientated, like the single focus of paddling onto a wave and then the practice of trying to maneuver on the way
again, let's go again. It's like, like skiing, I think skiing and snowboarding,
skiing or snowboarding. I went surfing and Phillip Island in UTM camp. Yeah, you know in camp Actually, I'll put a photo up on the Instagram head you go.
I remember being able to do it, which is good. But I was meant to do it in Queensland the following year. And I was so excited that I decided to go body boarding. Yeah,
so go ahead. I should I should preface all of this talk about surfing when I talk about it as I was bodybuilding. Really it's a big slippers growing up we there was like a group of us kids growing up and it was like you either went surfing or bodybuilding and I got swept up in the bodybuilding crowd because at the time I thought I can do more tricks on a bodyboard I can barely stand up on a surfboard. So it
wasn't even bodybuilding. What I was doing didn't have a board. Is it genuine where the body
is you're talking about body surfing? I think
surfing Yeah, different. I tried it nearly drowned, really. So I ended up that we had to get to so one person tried it. So I was screaming for how
he thinks he can make a citizen.
Not in the water. Maybe not. But I was 16 and I was screaming. I got like caught in something like a ripple like basically what it was was the water was hitting me and every single time I would like try to get a breath it would hit me again. Yeah. And so I was screaming for health help. And the salt was fucking like scraping my throat as I was like screaming Yeah. And then a lifeguard came out but because it was right on when the waves hit, their board went flying. And so they ended up getting like knocked away. And so another person I had to get two lifeguards to get me and then I like just go on the on the board, close my eyes and they get me to shore and I was like, they're like oh, you can walk now you can walk and I'm like still holding on it's like this tape or whatever. And I was like, sort of like he's scarred from
it. Yeah, absolutely. And so I was like,
a bit sheepish or whatever and I'm like, just sort of like limping and feel exhausted and I thought I was gonna die. And a lady came up to me she said oh my god I can't believe that you were drowning I thought your way leaving she thought that was going to make me feel better. And it's fucking lady
I was so annoyed
about that's not what I need to hear an hour like a timing wise when you're surfing with your dad or friends do you sort of say who calls it when it's like time to go here?
It's sort of at a time when I'm feeling at home I feel Yeah.
On the cup of tea thing do you bring snacks
is that like cleaner water?
definitely not because you have pockets I just imagine facades and like up and go I swear I've seen an up and go ad probably a commercial
that would work
I'm sure I
certainly don't I'm pretty short yeah there's definitely an up and go commercial where he's done a wave and then he's a
driver you can you can
I used to love it with the up and go so no no no getting out of the water you know when you've got like your mouth is just been so salty Yes. And then I was crowd crave drinking water but i'd crave peanut butter sandwiches it was just a thing that white bread
thanks mom and dad right them prepare them
it's funny that as a kid like last week we would surfing like the sun was rising and then it was that point where you're like oh, I really feel like coffee. Yeah, it's cold so we paddle in and we'd have a coffee that was that was the like yet all we had a little stovetop would boil a little kettle
Yeah. Where did you get the way was this in your car or something that's got
a pretty decked out at a caravan like in a van. So it's like a little flat van lifts up like that and there's a bit and there's a stove and there's a kitchen and there's
both of you staring at teachers
that was what I did Yes, I have to have a separate bed there's a big bed and there's like the chair and table turns into a bed as well nothing's design for a fucking six foot was uncomfortable like it was cramping in the neck and legs and I was like
crawling into a bola. I did parents but they both teachers. Yeah. Yeah. Both ages retired both both retired
dad's surfing hippie and mom's a book creating hippie. So now they just cruise down the coast basically, up the coast, up to the north of Australia and mom raids and that's that's kind of just all I do. Yeah, it's good fun, so happy. It's amazing. Yeah, if
you got plans for when you get back to you, you know, you don't have the feeling of feeling rejuvenated just yet but if you got plans for when you get back
none like explicitly I'm sort of excited about building up some form of excitement on the way I'm sure because I when I get back there's a few things like the NBA starts up again. So that always generates a bit of buzz and I have a few clients and I'm working with at the moment that I've told I'm going to be away for the next two weeks so I'm sure some ideas might come to me and I'll be excited about unpacking those and talking to those once I get back yeah but there's
no one thing I'm like I can't wait to get back into this What about a gonna bring a easter eggs so that on Easter you have an
Easter egg I hadn't planned on and I like to do those are the issue when I say holiday I like to do no checking luggage so carry on only carry on a seven kilograms so I don't have room for
nice healthy he said he's gonna
know but to remember like when I was when I was growing up and it was holidays there was all white like I was still just as excited about the eggs I remember being in
he's talking about last year
I remember no one is in Europe
No One A Star no actually in I remember where I had chocolate when I was in Europe not on this trip but a few trips ago with Nissan we Easter landed when we're in Malta and monitor is like a real Catholic or Christian or whatever so they do a lot but they get into the fucking painted eggs which I JJ isn't interested in
because you can't eat them real chocolate but they dance a protein but they did have a add in Malta the cat peanut butter which is like it's it's not a stomach it's not something you ate on Easter you can have a chocolate story do we like the head nothing to do with a step?
Now do you remember actually remember this very quickly
on the kick out on the kick out thing Do you remember when they started doing the thick kick
Yeah, there was a lot of weight then and there was
some of the best time there was
a big deal but anyway so no way strikes you
then probably not now I mean it's Indonesia which is full of Australian so I'm sure there'll be some ways shelling selling chocolate for you're
not going to actively get on Sun is it
haven't done that for you.
Seriously, I've been thinking about my diet I'm like I want to I can lean out a bit I need to pull my finger out
you don't need an Easter egg over Easter just because everyone else well
that's where I was thinking I was like, You know what, maybe maybe I don't but then I'm using that as an excuse where I'm like I've already started eating Easter
preparation like I'm not going to eat them on a stir. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna get it through get through the system and then move and
pay you when you get back you will have to pop into our new studio
lovely I'm excited to say it was a little a little sneak tool before video
will have it in your lies Mr. Nice
Full Feature video feature film, Dr.
Joe said hey, check out this check out this great video of any place and I thought I'd have done a video and like made an edit and like you guys do very good videos sat down or just a handheld iPhone walking through it so
it's good to know because sometimes I was like eight minutes.
Three minutes actually feels like I
missed the mark in regards the interest factor.
I mean a little bit I thought I would have been so far
Oh, I did mention to pay them like he should get a desk at the office or something. So yeah, it was a soft sell.
Yes. I appreciate it. It's
not that interested. I really
liked it. I really liked it. I want to say when it set up Yeah, okay. Yeah.
cautious. He's cool.
what's what's your blog? How do people find your blog here that I always click on to Twitter profile? That's how I
but it's it's linked at human periscope calm. Otherwise, the URL i think is
a be a V IVF dot blog which stands for a bird's eye view bird's eye because because the human parents don't. So I do have a blog. Well, you guys haven't finished it to me changes. I've managed to do that. Yeah, yeah, I'm actually actually looking for there's actually nothing wrong with a cold job generally going to die talk show. Hi, the daily talk show.com if you want to send us an email. Otherwise, we'll see you on Monday.