The Milestone Player Jack Post

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show, episode 280— what are we, 83? 283.

Tommy: Do you, do you ever have that, Jack, where you ask a question, get the answer, and then 2 seconds later you forget?

Josh: Because we do it all the—

Tommy: we do it all the time. Is there something about live radio that does it, or like the pressure of performing, or what do you reckon?

Jack: Last time you had me on a milestone episode and you were probably thinking that this would be episode 300 or 500 or 1000 because I'm Milestone player, but it's just—

Josh: you don't have one.

Jack: You've actually, as you've gone to say it, you've thought 280. Well, can't be one of the small change episodes, that wouldn't be right, or else I wouldn't be looking at your milestone mic technique, isn't it?

Tommy: Yeah, Jack Post is back in the building. Testing, testing, 1, 2, 3, if you're watching, obviously.

Jack: Okay, start the episode again in 3, 2, 1. Welcome to the Daily Talk Show, this is episode 282.

Tommy: I'm—

Josh: it's 83, you fuckwit.

Jack: So this is the thing, Tommy, you do it, we couldn't get it right.

Tommy: Uh, let's just start the conversation. No, we've just had— we're just— how are you guys feeling after eating all that food?

Josh: Yeah, I feel great.

Tommy: You feel good?

Jack: Absolutely, absolutely fine. We had to get to—

Tommy: we planned to get Jack on the show and he said, guys, I'm coming straight from work, I gotta eat first. And what I appreciate about that is he's a guy who knows himself well enough that he has to have a bit of food in his tum tum.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, I'm always starving at this time of day, which is— do we say what time of day we record?

Josh: Yeah, you can.

Jack: Yeah, you can. So doing, I'm just still new to breakfast radio, only not even a year into it. And after we get off air, we go into a meeting for an hour or like half an hour or whatever.

Josh: Post-show.

Jack: Post-show. I'm starving all the way through. I've tried to get like energised people to go, should we go out for breakfast? Should we do this at breakfast? Should we have a small break so we can go and get something to eat? No one seems to care for that. So I know that at 11 I'm always starving. So thank you so much for lunch.

Tommy: We filmed a few people this week and they were in the corporate environment. And we— and Josh asked the question to get the sound test, sound check. What'd you have for breakfast? Everyone said nothing. And then I was like, well, what'd you have for lunch then? Nothing. It's like, there's a lot of people that just forget to eat.

Jack: That's how you got to make it in corporate Australia these days, huh?

Tommy: That's what Josh said. Success. This is what champions do.

Josh: I mean, these— they were like top, top, top, top, top executives in Australia.

Jack: I actually honestly feel like Well, I mean, this is not a revelation, but how linked food is to your productivity and to your brain working. So yeah, definitely.

Tommy: Then what's your schedule? 'Cause you're on the—

Josh: Food Diary.

Tommy: I know, this is the one time, I think it has some purpose. You get up extremely early and you go and do the breakfast show.

Jack: Yeah.

Tommy: What are you doing?

Jack: I can't eat straight away, so the lunch must cause some bit—

Tommy: Oh, he's fussy as fuck.

Josh: He is a sensitive, you are a bit like me, a bit like a baby. Do you know Bree's psychologist said that?

Tommy: —to be like a baby.

Josh: I was being a bit of a baby in regards to something. I can't remember what it was, but I was just like, I don't, that sounds quite judgmental for a psychologist to say.

Jack: Well, I've never been regimented like I have before doing breakfast radio. So I now, just because you're so tired all the time, unless you try to combat it with thinking ahead, going to sleep early, eating when you're meant to eat. So now I do wake up at 4:30, just have a tea, that I put some like oil in because it's like, I think fat is oil.

Josh: Tim Ferriss. Yeah, all right, Tim Ferriss.

Jack: So I put some oil and sometimes some butter in Bulletproof Tea.

Josh: Oh, like a black tea? Yes, black tea, yes.

Jack: Then I always the night before make a smoothie that I'll drink during the show. That's a good idea. As I start to get hungry, that's better than like having a bowl of cereal.

Tommy: What about your co-host Christian? O'Connell. Or is that fair term, co-host?

Jack: Yeah, is that how— I know he's main, he's the top dog, he's main host, I'm little host. I like to tell people that he's your co-host.

Tommy: Yeah, sure.

Jack: Who's actually interesting? We're both co-hosts. We're co-hosts, but if you obviously— we all know who the main one is, so I'm not going to say it, but we know who he is.

Josh: So Tommy knows who it is and I know who it is.

Tommy: There's the anchor role of a show, and it's funny because this is something I guess you've been involved in a lot of these conversations, is working out roles of a show, and a lot of this work can be done prior to even starting, right? I remember in Shepparton, we would try and work this shit out. So what kind of person are you in this show? What kind of person? We haven't even done any hours yet. Yeah. And so naturally, Josh liked to open the show, and I actually had no care about it, which I think needs to be, because if I was like, I want to fucking open the show, I think it's—

Jack: I actually think it's better to be the person not doing the heavy lifting.

Josh: So you're doing the nuts and bolts. I'm already happy, guys.

Jack: No one's clapping their hands at that. It's true. But you get to then come on and go like, well, this happened to me, this happened to me. You're like, oh yeah, but we've got to read the sponsor notes.

Josh: A lot of sponsors today we've got to cover.

Tommy: Yeah, because then the logistics get blamed on the anchor, right?

Josh: Yeah, I like being in control, so it works well for me.

Jack: You control some stuff there with the buttons.

Josh: Yeah, so I get to press some buttons sometimes. I turned off Mr.

Tommy: 97's microphone just before, just because we don't need him Yeah, while we're doing food diary, Christian O'Connell, what's his, what's his food?

Jack: He does a good question. He's always got something in Tupperware. I, I don't know, like a rice or a pasta. I, I've not ventured into that yet, like take leftovers in and eat them for breakfast. I don't like the idea of eating a dinner food for breakfast. Yeah, are you a leftovers guy though? No, no, no. And I'll tell you, I've only just started to become one. Because I'm always hungry.

Tommy: I thought you're gonna say because you've got a mortgage.

Jack: That's about right. But I usually, I used to never eat leftovers, even the stuff that people say is the best type of leftovers, pizza and what are the other famous ones like that?

Tommy: Spag bowl, things that are soaking in juices. Curries? Yeah, curry. I love a good leftover.

Josh: I could do a curry leftover, but I'm not much of a leftover guy either.

Jack: I'm only just starting to be and It was partly because actually this renovation, you talk about the mortgage, we got this new special oven that does like, if you reheat it in the oven rather than the microwave, it's meant to taste better. So I'm now reheating leftovers in the oven.

Josh: Yours steams as well, doesn't it?

Jack: Yeah, it's a steam oven, yeah. God, mortgage is real.

Josh: I think meal prep, you know, meal prep, I think it's actually just a glorified way of saying lots of leftovers.

Jack: Yeah, well, that's why you gotta, that's why you gotta change your thinking from leftovers to meal prep, because a meal prep is you don't even eat the meal at the time. So if you're not eating leftovers, you prepare the whole meal and you would throw the whole thing away.

Tommy: I think it fits nicely into, um, the guy who wears the same thing every single day. It's the same school of thought, right? Less thought about it. You've got your meals out for the week and you just—

Josh: the boiled eggs has been a game changer for me.

Jack: What's that? Boiled eggs. In them. It just— it's a weird statement. No, no, I mean, I thought there's more to it, like boil egg and blah blah blah.

Josh: No, that's it. No, literally, like, I'm not much of a scramble guy. Did a lot of scrambled eggs when I was growing up. It was mainly making omelettes but just not being able to nail them. Uh, but yeah, just having a couple of boiled eggs and eating them.

Jack: I don't mind boiled eggs, and, and it's because, you know what, you might be similar to me in this regard.

Josh: Two big babies.

Tommy: Sounding like two big babies. Don't like leftovers, love boiled eggs.

Jack: Because it's easy on our teeth. Num num. No, I don't. Sometimes I'm not eating just to have the best taste in the world, whereas Bianca, my wife, loves to like try and get every bit of taste out of a meal, whereas I'm sometimes just eating for the fact you gotta eat. So that's why boiled eggs is easy because it's easy to do, easy to—

Josh: This is only just a I have been in the school of thought of not even eating for taste, eating for emotion. And so now going from eating for emotion to like, ah, this is, there is something about boiled eggs where it's like, feels like I'm having not saline, what's the drink that everyone has that's got all the stuff that you need?

Jack: 9Sevs? Electrolytes. Doesn't he jump in?

Josh: Yeah, 9Sevs. Do you know what that was called? Give me more details. It's Soylent. There you go.

Tommy: Soylent, never heard of that. Never heard of it.

Jack: It honestly sounds like Soylent, Soylent Ben. Look up Soylent, get back to us. Feeling bad, take Soylent.

Josh: No, so Soylent is actually— it's B-S-O-Y-L-E-N-T— created by like an engineer, I think, in sort of the tech space, who realised he hated eating. And so he created this mix of what I need, all of the, all the things you need into a drink. And you get it as a powder and you mix it up. I remember the guy who I stayed with in San Francisco at his Airbnb, he was right into Soylent.

Jack: See, I would like that because sometimes, even though I like obviously having a meal from time to time, it's just speed and can't be bothered making a whole meal that I would love that.

Tommy: The one bit missing is he's now dead, that guy from the Soylent.

Josh: It's actually really, it is very, very good. Samson Ice Abs, have you found anything about it or no?

Jack: No, it's just a meal replacement in, in a drink format.

Josh: Oh geez, that's not how you market it. Literally, it's just so you can buy, you can, but you can buy specific brands, I think some do better ones. It's probably ones that have like a bit of chocolate flavour or something. It's the shortcut though.

Tommy: It is the equivalent of someone just saying, can I take a pill to health? Yeah, it doesn't work in the long period of time. I think shakes like greens powders and stuff's great. Oh, you're a greens powders guy.

Josh: I feel like you— I do.

Jack: Well, I go try and— this smoothie I make for the morning, I put everything that possibly could be considered healthy into it. Really? Greens powders. Yeah. Of the Vitagreens, protein powder, mushroom powder, peanut butter, almond butter, nut butter, Brazilian butter.

Josh: Geez. I wonder if Hamish Blake would be able to have it with the mushroom powder 'cause he fucking hates mushrooms.

Jack: Yeah, mushroom powder just tastes like dirt really.

Josh: But do you think you could hide it in there? 'Cause he described it once as if you have mushrooms on a plate, if you were to move the mushrooms off the plate, just get rid of the mushrooms, it would be the equivalent of someone having dog shit on a plate and then moving the dog shit into a tea bag.

Tommy: That bad? Come on, Hamish.

Jack: No, he's saying for someone who doesn't like a food, like I would be the same with olives. If there was olives all over a pizza, then you pick them off, I would still not really want it.

Tommy: Really? It's tarnished, yeah.

Josh: So olive oil, could you have olive oil?

Tommy: I have, yeah. Well, that doesn't taste like—

Josh: it doesn't taste like olives. Okay.

Tommy: But yeah, some stronger olive oil does a little bit. Stuffed olives?

Jack: No, no, I don't even like a— is it martini that it comes with? Yeah, yeah. I don't even like—

Tommy: there's a problem with me. I like everything. Yeah.

Jack: So why are you obviously obsessed with meal preps or meal plans?

Tommy: I'm not at the moment. I've got a child and I fuck all time on my hands.

Josh: So we don't, so we are the children.

Tommy: Like I was saying to Josh the other week, like think about maybe you had a household growing up like this. Mum would do, dad would do the shopping, a bulk shop, like spend $150. And I always was like, for most of my life, looking at people at the supermarkets, fuck, there's a lot of shit there. 'How you doing?' Like, I'm always getting the $30 shop or $20, just getting little bits and bobs.

Jack: Yeah, I never— I still have never done a cartload of shopping. Yeah, you get a shopping trolley and fill it up to the brim.

Tommy: Yeah, I'm that guy. I've only done hand basket. We do on Sundays a lot of the time $140 shops. It seems to be a cap. $140 and we can get most of our week, pretty much all of our week except for blowouts.

Josh: Yeah, I did that at Costco once, but it was— that's a year. It was a falling shelter fucking a lot of boiled eggs at Costco. A lot of dumb shit.

Jack: It's just like Costco. It doesn't sound like you to buy irrelevant shit that you definitely don't need. No, so I got—

Josh: what did I get? A coffin? No, we got a plasma TV. Massive. The biggest, the biggest fucking thing of popcorn, sweet popcorn in like a big tub. Yeah, we got like pudding, chocolate puddings. I've never heard of chocolate pudding. I think it's just chocolate yogurt. No, it's more like a cake, isn't it? No, it's not. I thought it would be cake, but it was more like gluggy.

Jack: Yeah, it's real wet, like a yoghurt.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: But real dense, more dense than a yoga.

Josh: And so I remember we ended up with so much of that sort of shit from Costco.

Jack: Let a baby free in a supermarket, they're gonna get it. Do you know what I've realized?

Josh: So my eyes twitch, you know, about my eyes twitching. It's been twitching for months. It's been doing it for months and it hasn't happened in a while. I think I'm on 2 coffees and this Coke No Sugar. And I think like, look at that, my eye there. Well, we did it.

Tommy: What isn't it?

Jack: Caffeine? I can't say it. Twitchy. Okay, that's good. Yeah. Do you drink coffee every day?

Tommy: Yeah, I drink too many.

Jack: I see. I don't. Like, I'm trying not to drink it because even though I'm waking up early and need to be awake, but I just don't want to become just like desperate for it every day.

Tommy: It's either that or you're trying to get through that cement of a drink you make every morning.

Jack: No, sometimes it is so— it is like pluggy. Yeah, very gluggy.

Tommy: No, well, I think I fell into the Nescafé, just blend 20, blend whatever it is. When you were a kid? Every morning.

Josh: No, when I was in Shep doing brekkie radio.

Jack: Oh right, because it's the one they have at the station.

Tommy: Yeah, but then it becomes like the little comfort thing, you know, about to go on air, a little hot thing. Have you got a little comfort thing that you do?

Jack: Yeah, I do tea, and then I do another tea when I get to the station, which is just mushroom on its own. Mushroom? Mushroom tea? Mushroom tea, mushroom tea. Oh, well, I'll tell you about where the mushrooms came from. I was looking for— this is Tim Ferriss inspired again. Yeah, but he talked about— oh, is this Joe Rogan? Talk about a mushroom called lion's mane, which— yeah, which increase your like sex drive. No, I hope not. I was meant to—

Josh: well, no, because I'm going to be a fucking beast.

Jack: You don't want to present radio with a boner. Yeah, okay, yeah, great. But it was— I— what I thought it was was increase mental capabilities. Yeah, sure. Thinking quick. Yes. So I got that. I couldn't find it anywhere except for this one seller in Australia in Byron Bay called Super Feast. And they—

Josh: It sounded like a credit.

Jack: No, well, I only say because he sent me a whole lot of free stuff. So he said, so what's the credit? He said, oh, hey, I'm gonna be on the Daily Talk Show. I didn't say this.

Josh: What do they do? What's their website? What is their website?

Jack: I don't know, mate. We've got a rule, no pay, no say on this show. I don't know about you.

Josh: Well, what's this?

Jack: What are you doing here?

Josh: No, they're paying. No, we definitely, um, getting paid by Coca-Cola.

Jack: So he sent me, he's like, Lion's Mane's good, but also try these. He sent me, I'll say he wanted to get them to Hamish and Andy, so he said try these, give them.

Josh: How much free shit have you gotten based on this?

Jack: This is the first thing. First thing. Well, I got this t-shirt for free. This got sent to me today as well.

Josh: What's, what is it? What does it even say?

Jack: This is, um, when I announced that I was gonna, I'm starting a band on Instagram. Starting a band and I announced on Instagram. It's not a band just for Instagram.

Josh: Okay. It could be nowadays. That would be a very successful, actually, social media savvy thing of you to do.

Jack: This guy from this band called the Cañoneros sent me a message and say, "Hey, I'm in a band too. Can I send you a t-shirt?" That's nice. That's why.

Josh: And so now you're wearing it.

Jack: Yeah, I literally opened it before I came here. Do you have a PO box? No, I got it sent to the radio station because I didn't want him to know where I lived.

Tommy: Dude, we have a friend. We have a friend in the States that did this competition and sent out something that he owned to this winner that entered the competition he was running. Anyway, he— the guy who received this prize from our friend took a photo of the prize and covered out his address, and then I looked and I zoomed in and it was our mate's address on the other side from the front.

Jack: Yeah, okay, so now you know where he lives.

Tommy: Well, we knew where he lives.

Josh: It's more all the other people. Yeah, so he— I think he might get a PO box.

Jack: Yeah, but potentially people have definitely called out with that like Instagram storeys or like, hey, this is what I'm doing, and then put like plane tickets and stuff up there which you can steal the barcode.

Tommy: Ah, the guy did it with the Conor McGregor fight versus Mayweather. There was all these hipsters like, yeah, we're so cool going to the event. He took it, zoomed in, cropped it in, printed it off both sides, barcode, got in, all access to the Mayweather fight.

Jack: Yeah, I think somebody did it with Grand Final too. Really? I saw on Twitter, yeah. Somebody put their tickets on, um, Twitter.

Josh: So you just went to a fight the other week, didn't you? A UFC—

Jack: I went to my very first UFC fight on Sunday. Yeah, I know nothing about the sport. Do you guys know much about it?

Josh: Yeah. Did you sing and punching?

Jack: Yeah, yep, everything. I mean, there's no rules.

Tommy: Ultimate Fighting Championship. Other than you can't— can't elbow the back of the head, can't kick him in the nuts, you can't kick them when they're actually lying down. There's a bunch of rules, but essentially it used to be even more brutal, like headbutting and You can't do that.

Jack: Oh yeah, that's out, isn't it?

Tommy: Yeah. Well, um, Matt Damon was there.

Jack: Yeah, I saw him. Not in per— like, not shaking hands, but I saw him. Yeah, that's— yeah.

Josh: What did you think of it? Like, because I feel like I went to a, um, a boxing match. It's very primal, it feels like. But I feel like one day maybe we look back and say, oh, like, can you believe we went into these— we barbaric.

Jack: But do you think— well, at least now we're going further the other way, which is UFC was banned and now it's, it's not. Well, at least it was banned in Victoria, now it's not. So we're becoming more accustomed to it.

Josh: So did you, did you get that— what, coming in as sort of like an outsider to the sport, did you feel comfortable just going in and feel like—

Jack: I thought it would be more uncomfortable. I thought it would be what you see on highlights reels, which is like if you just see on sports highlights the UFC come up, you see a guy crack another guy across the jaw, his blood sprays across the crowd. But in context, it's actually— you understand it a lot more, and you, I guess, you tend to respect that the sport aspect of it more because it's not as barbaric as it probably seems from the outside. It is, um, it is like a lot of tactics, and, and it's, it is a sport, and it's not, it's not wall-to-wall aggression where you're trying to shield your eyes from violence.

Tommy: The reality is, I'm not sure if someone someone's died from the UFC. Look up that, Mr. 97. But there's been a dude who died from a fastball in cricket. Yeah, yeah, like that's like— it was a complete mistake, but it's amazing. Like, these dudes are connecting with fists, like short, you know, small pads. 5 people have died from UFC.

Jack: Jesus. And just one in cricket.

Tommy: So cricket is very safe from MMA, but the UFC franchise, I don't think so.

Josh: It seems like a high number. Yeah. And so how's Matt Damon?

Tommy: He's good. He's good. Well, it's amazing. Like, I saw Chris Hemsworth sitting along the side with his wife, and it is— I did have that moment where I'm like, it is a— it's such a weird thing, just people sitting around watching people smash each other. It's very primitive, like old school, like, yeah, it is.

Jack: And I guess Roman days, like, there is an undeniable sense of, I guess, testosterone, like, well, that Colosseum feel of like there's this big octagon in the middle of the room and it's mostly blokes at the Rod Laverie, or from what I gathered on Sunday. And it's, you know, it's got that woof woof, that testosterone, like, you know, we want— we're here to see something. Could you drink? Yes, but I'm on FebFast so I didn't. Okay.

Josh: Yes. Nice. Yeah, Tommy's doing a whole year of not drinking. Yeah, 2019. 2019, no, no drinking.

Jack: How— where— what have you found hard about it? Nothing.

Tommy: It's, it's been the easiest. But I haven't had too many social events. I haven't gone out.

Jack: Yeah, I, I think the only thing I worry about is it just tends— you tend to not go out. Like, if you're on the borderline of go— should I go to this or not? You're like, oh, I'm not drinking, so I won't. Which is probably a shame. But otherwise, I found it really kind of easy.

Tommy: Eat more. There is some mates like like Conspiracy Jimmy, who's in the building. You may not see him because he's that kind of guy. We would go out and, you know, sink piss and talk shit, and we just haven't done that. Yeah. And so that our friendship doesn't rely on that because we've got it beyond that, but that is a component of it. So I think there's that misses. You eat more shit food if you are at an event because you're like, well, I can't be drinking.

Jack: Yeah, there is that thing of like wanting to have your hands doing something you used to at a party or at a pub to have like a drink in your hand.

Josh: And the Coca-Cola credit, we got that holding up Coke No Sugar. If you— are you a soft drink drinker at all?

Jack: And then I don't drink soft drinks, so I now just drink water or mushroom tea.

Josh: I drink mainly water, to be honest. But the thing is, the reason I'm having Coke No Sugar— the reason why I'm having Coke No Sugar is because I realised that I think having water, I felt like, was an out to then be like eat other shit. I'm like, well, I'm not having any calories in my drink. It's like you want something, you want something a bit sweet. Exactly. I'm gonna move the mic one last time.

Jack: Technical, from a technical— Where, where am I good here? No, it's testing, testing.

Josh: You don't have to go that crazy in, but I adjusted it. I feel a lot of pressure during the show to be the technical guy. You're the anchor, bro.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But usually a good anchor won't make the whole show about him, whereas you're like, ah yeah, funny anecdote, Tommy, just let me move your mic. And just levels at 97. You're right over there. Yeah, can I play this one? Yeah, good.

Josh: You just come up, you gotta press the fader. How many fuck-ups have you— what's the biggest fuck-up you've had? Because you were cackling Jack on Hamish and Andy when they were doing their radio stuff, so you sort of would, uh, yeah, behind—

Jack: I got told it was $15,000 worth. I don't know if that's true, but I played a whole ad break during the show, which I'd already played. So at 4:20 I play one and then at 4:40 I played the same one again. So the ads that were meant to get served didn't get served. And apparently that was a $15,000 mistake. Who tells you that?

Josh: That was Dave Cameron, who was the— Grumpy Dave.

Jack: Who was Grumpy Dave, who he might've been just trying to scare me. I don't know if that's the official figures. So don't quote me on that, please, radio industry websites.

Josh: 'Cause you know they're gonna— Be quite well.

Jack: Last time I was on the show, they wrote an article about it.

Josh: Well, funny you say that because I was Googling you and it was the third—

Jack: You don't know enough about me.

Tommy: Well, I couldn't find your Wikipedia because you don't have one.

Jack: Yes, well, that is my mission at the moment, to get on Wikipedia as a certified celebrity.

Josh: Isn't it great to be able to— isn't it great to have like certain personal anxieties or personal sort of issues and then being able to put them out as a bit of shtick?

Jack: Like you can sort of— the shtick is, oh, I need a Wikipedia.

Josh: Yeah.

Josh: Deep fucking down you want that Wikipedia page. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. You mask it as like, "Oh, this would be funny. Imagine if I cared this much about getting a Wikipedia." Yeah, you actually do care a little bit about getting it. So that just started because I actually tried to on my own, honestly, mate, and this is when I didn't want people to know I was trying to do it, make a fake email and make my own Wikipedia page for Jack Post. And they said I didn't have enough official references. Which are like newspaper articles and, and the like, to go, oh yeah, we can verify this guy is a celebrity. The only ones I had were the radio industry type ones, which they don't hold enough. I guess, I guess not. I guess they said try like put a few more references in.

Josh: Well, every time someone from fucking sales moves, moves from, you know, Shepparton to—

Jack: what's that? They can't put them in.

Tommy: On your show at the moment, this is like a—

Jack: no, no, no, no, no, I don't get asked, Tommy. You don't get it? No, I'm just, I'm I'm a sidekick only. Okay, but, um, no, I mentioned I think is what we called you last time. Um, so I don't get any stories. Like, I'm like a B-plot on a Simpsons episode. There's one character getting the main plot, that's Christian, then I might get a subplot.

Josh: So, uh, Christian is Homer and— oh no, do you know who it is? I know Christian is Mr. Burns and you are the, uh, Smithers.

Jack: No, no, why not? Mrs. I think it was pretty sure was in love with Mr. Burns. Yeah, there's like a little bit of that.

Josh: That's okay.

Tommy: I've seen you over for dinner at the O'Connell residence. You saw that? Well, somehow like this is the thing, I don't even know, maybe it was on your social media. It was like catching up with, obviously you're actually friends with Christian. Oh yeah, over summer.

Jack: So he was gone on holidays for a while. So we had them over for lunch at our place as like a, well, we also wanted to show him the house 'cause we've been working for 2 years on this renovation. And, um, I complained about it all the time and I said I couldn't do work for the show because I was renovating. So he had to see it in the flesh to know that it was real.

Josh: Do you remember the last YouTube video that I've ever done, uh, was you and I talking about crypto?

Jack: Oh yeah, Bitcoin. Oh my God, I wish we could go back to that moment and instead of explaining how to buy Bitcoin, we said we'll sell Bitcoin, because that would have been probably at the primo time to sell it. You've still got your Bitcoin? No, sold. It all went into the house essentially. Yeah, bit by bit. We got a bit of— Bit by bit? Bitcoin by Bitcoin.

Josh: What was the lesson there? Any life lessons on the Bitcoin thing? Probably— Because you were a baller at one stage.

Jack: Greedy, yeah. So honestly, as— so Hamish and Andy's radio show came to the end in 2017 as a full-time show. It's still a podcast, But I was getting towards the end of the year without having a job lined up for the next year. This is before I knew Christian was even coming, so I didn't know about the job I'm currently doing. And I honestly thought I'll be fine because I have Bitcoin. So I had enough to go like, I got a good cushion here.

Josh: Well, you weren't even talking about how many. I feel like you're probably more comfortable talking about how many you had. Because at the time you were like, all right, I've got 7. Yeah. But I'm not telling like anyone because if they know—

Jack: but 7 is probably worth what? 7 is worth like—

Josh: You got $20 in the back pocket.

Jack: That wouldn't even cover lunch today. 20 grand, 21 grand.

Tommy: What are they, 3 grand? It's about 3 grand.

Jack: But at their height, when we— my wife and I had— I mean, we had a bit more than 7. Well, we had 7 Bitcoin, then we had some of the other—

Josh: 7 was the number you were telling me.

Jack: Yeah. So we had 7 Bitcoin, some Ethereum, and then some other little ones. And we were like, they sound cute, don't they? I want to see— okay, I'll tell you this. This is embarrassing, especially because we know now that cryptocurrency isn't like the lucrative— yeah, it's not the moneymaker that I thought it was. I honestly had a page up on my browser for a while that were— there was a list of countries to emigrate to where you don't pay tax for cryptocurrencies. We were gonna move out of the country because we thought we had too much Bitcoin.

Josh: I actually follow a guy on YouTube called Nomad Capitalist, and he talks all about that stuff. It's like where to set up, like all these sort of— oh, about how to get out of the country, like tax havens, or just like having multiple Like, he's like, if you, um, if you invest for citizenship, like, if you— it's like citizenship through investment. There's a thing called that where it's like if you invest in a country, you can automatically get citizenship. The US?

Tommy: Yeah, if you can inject enough money into the— how much is enough? I think it's like $500 grand, probably more.

Josh: And so the thing is, there's— Vanuatu has, has one. And I just remember watching this video, he's like, you know, one of the great things about Vanuatu is that you can actually visit Russia without any visa. I was like, fuck, I need it. I've never been to Russia. Like, because you are a loophole guy, yeah, you would love it. I was like, fuck, how good would it be to visit Russia without having to go into the— just a different line, essentially. We've got it good here, guys.

Tommy: You're going to the States middle of the year, you were saying? Yes, yep.

Jack: My wife's family lives in Miami, Florida, and And is it— is it nice? It's not, you know what, Miami might be. They actually live in a place called Fort Lauderdale, which is a little bit north from Miami, and it's just like suburban life. It isn't partying, tequila.

Tommy: And is it GC, Gold Coast style in Australia?

Jack: Maybe Miami is like the, the actual like South Beach or wherever the famous spots are, but no, it's kind of just suburban. And then I'm also— I'm holidaying with my in-laws, so it's not like we're going to nightclubs at 4 o'clock in the morning.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, unlike if you're with all the boys.

Jack: Yeah, well, I'm not doing it now because I'm on FebFast.

Tommy: Oh yeah, and so you're going middle of the year. You were saying earlier about how you're getting over there.

Jack: Well, yes, Josh and I used to talk a lot about points, like another thing you love, like hacking and loophole. It was like this idea of— it's kind of convoluted, so I won't go into it too much, but you buy points from one airline at a discounted price when they're having a sale, and you can use it to redeem awards flights on some other flights like Qantas.

Josh: So you can get like first class that might normally cost $12,000 return and you could get it for like $2,500.

Jack: So it's still more than an economy ticket, but like when you're being there, you're like, you feel primo. And yeah, and I hate air travel because of like how uncomfortable I feel and I can't sleep because we're both babies.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Where are my boiled eggs? But in first class you could yell that and they'll actually Yeah, absolutely. So we know about the points hacking, but then we got this other avenue at the moment, which is my wife's mom and dad own a real estate company who one of their clients was this guy called Mr. Ralph. And Mr. Ralph worked at United. I think he was even a pilot for many years. United is one of the big US airlines that flies into Melbourne and Sydney.

Josh: Famously dragged someone off a flight.

Jack: Yes, they dragged the doctor off the flight.

Josh: Are they the Qantas of America? American Airlines would be the Qantas 'cause it's OneWorld. United would be closer, they're Star Alliance. Jetstar. So they would, nah, nah, not Jetstar, they'd be like the Virgin.

Jack: Okay, yeah, yeah. So he gets these for being a pilot for many years and now he's retired, he's in his 80s. He gets all these flights or access to flights for a cheap price where he only pays the taxes. So now he runs this sly business with people he knows that he goes, buy your flights, which cost me only the taxes. I'll charge a little bit for myself. So for $1,000, we can fly from Melbourne to LA, um, in the first class.

Tommy: Oh yeah, that's good.

Josh: Wouldn't it be amazing? They're like, you arrive and they shake your hand, Mr. Ralph Campbell, come into the cockpit, come into the car.

Jack: Yeah, absolutely. One of the pilots died. Yeah. Oh, there's a guy on here, Mr. Ralph, he can fly a plane. Mr. Ralph, Mr.

Josh: Ralph, come here. Is that his legit name? Is that his legit name, do you think?

Jack: Mr. Ralph? I think his name's just Ralph. My parents are Spanish speaking as their first language, so Mr. Ralph might just be a funny way they say his name is Ralph. That's so good. I don't know if he wants this, but you guys don't have a huge US audience? That's actually where we've blown up, yeah, especially Fort Lauderdale.

Josh: 14% of our listeners listeners come from the US.

Jack: Oh really? Yeah. Well, I mean, if he hears that I'm not allowed to speak about it, we'll just chop it out. Well, Mr.

Tommy: Ralph, as if you're gonna find him. I want his number. And so this is— no, you just Google.

Josh: I'm sure if you— I just Googled it. You reckon we'll find—

Jack: or no? No, I think it's, uh, it's underground. Like, he doesn't have his own website. It's like, hey, Mr. Ralph's Discount First Class.

Josh: Wait, so is this what you've done for this latest flight?

Jack: This is what we're doing, yeah.

Josh: Do you know what the savings are?

Jack: Can you talk about it? Well, I don't know, like a thousand. Well, it cost us $1,000 US, so what's that $1,400, $1,500 each.

Tommy: And if that was 10% tax— wait, that's—

Jack: oh, well, so you're talking about what are the earnings for Mr. Ralph?

Josh: No, no, no, no, no, no.

Jack: I just want to know what our savings were. Yeah, what— I don't know, I don't know how much a flight costs. Was that business or what's that?

Josh: Business.

Jack: Well, they only have— they call it first class, but it's what we know as business. Yeah, because they only have— they don't have a business class and a first class. They only have the first.

Josh: This is amazing.

Tommy: Economy. So I'm the guy that doesn't want to do the work here. Like I want the easy access. I want Ralph in my life. I can't, the points thing for me is too much.

Jack: Yeah, he's not an unlimited resource. Like I'd love to suggest to all your listeners, like get in contact with me, I'll get onto Ralph and we'll have the flights. 'Cause even my mom tried to do it after we bought ours and he was getting to the point where he's like, I'm doing too many at the moment, let's wait a little bit.

Josh: So mom wasn't able to get it. What happens when Mr. Ralph sort of Dies. Oh, dies, yes.

Jack: Yes, the reason I actually got the July flight booked and then one for November, which is the latest they have flights at the moment I think available. And the idea is to move that one to 2020 when we want to fly again because my mother-in-law is saying, hey, buy these Mr. Ralph flights while he's alive because you never know. 'Cause they've, sorry, they've come over here on Mr. Ralph flights flights before, even though Bianca and I haven't used them. They've come here on Mr. Ralph flights, so she knows how good they are, and she's saying buy double the—

Josh: This is giving me tingles.

Tommy: What, that you want to buy stuff now?

Josh: Yeah, but this is like the equivalent of me saying Amazon was doing free shipping and I ended up with a few thousand dollars worth of books.

Jack: Ralph's a hustler.

Tommy: He's hustling the Italian government.

Jack: But I mean, I guess if you're 80 and you're on the way out, which I don't know if he is, but the way that my mother-in-law is speaking, he might be on his last leg. And we gotta get as many fives as possible. He doesn't care because what does he care? Have you started caring less as you got older? Oh, definitely, yes, 100%. Yeah. How old are you now? 31.

Tommy: That's the don't give a fuck age. Yeah, I reckon. Wait, what age do you— because I think there is a pivotal point in most people where when I got rich on Bitcoin, I probably stopped caring what other people think. And then you got— you started really caring when you realise how deep you were with how much you've been flaunting it?

Jack: Um, I think it's just natural. Like, this guy I'm doing the band with, Mike, who I think you guys— yeah, he might be, um, coming on the podcast, your podcast. Shout out, Mike. He started his own podcast. If anyone wants to hear, it's called 20th Century Boys. Yeah, it's great. Hanging out with someone who's only 24, it makes you realize, like, they— you— and I was the exact same as him at that age. You just care about shit so much, like what people think and like how it's going going to be perceived. And it's so freeing to go, oh, you don't have to care about that.

Josh: Do you remember, like, that was when— that would have been the age that you and I— like, I would have been like 24. Yeah. And like, we were so worried about especially memorization games. That was a big— do you remember?

Jack: Yeah, but we weren't worried about what other people thought about it. I think— did he bring up the memorization games the last podcast?

Josh: I don't know. I fucking— I'm just— I'm gonna go turn my— I'm gonna go bring my laptop because for some reason— We've got Mr. 97, he can just go copy and paste. Can you actually eject the hard drive from the laptop?

Tommy: God, when the anchor— No, Mr.

Jack: 97, that's delete all! No! It's actually not.

Josh: Oh, fuck, I have to yell. You want me to yell out my password?

Tommy: No, Jack and I, we can talk. You go over there. I'm just going to do it.

Josh: It's going to take 2 seconds.

Tommy: I think there's probably the— Hey, Tommy, no admin password, man. What's going on? He actually was moving buttons, Josh. That actually gave me anxiety. He's loose. I'm sorry. Sorry, I don't know where I was sitting down. The difference in the guy that actually is trying to get through his Wikipedia to the guy who is doing it as a joke. I'm totally that person. Like when you're starting out, I totally was trying to sort of, it's like fake it before you make it. It's like trying to leverage these things like getting in social papers or something. I think there is a point where there's a lot of care factor.

Josh: Josh is back. I'm back. I've mucked around with these.

Jack: If you— why Tommy and I talk, if you want to take care of that.

Josh: Okay, I've got the big news to announce also that I just received an email that's actually important to the show. Okay, okay, go on. No, you go on. You go through your emails over there. He's the admin guy, he's gonna fucking do that. Happens quickly. Fucking move over a little bit.

Jack: I reckon it was, um—

Josh: is that right? Yeah, that's fine.

Jack: I reckon you still care about output. So when, when you're making stuff like you guys making this, or like whatever you do, you still care for it to be good and to be well received. You just care less, I think, about worrying if, I used to worry if certain people, how certain people would perceive something maybe like, how are you, what are my parents gonna think of this? Or like, what is like somebody I like, I respect gonna think of this? Whereas you just sort of start to—

Tommy: Did you read Seth Godin's blog post this week? I think it was today, Josh?

Jack: No, uh, we're recording this the day before, so it'd be amazing if it was today in real life.

Tommy: Yeah, amazing. Well, he sent so many of them. I'm not allowed to say that.

Josh: I'm sorry, it's Wednesday.

Jack: I've said it, I've said it.

Josh: I thought it was gonna be the Mr. Ralph stuff that was gonna pull this out.

Tommy: You did, you've given the admin guy a heart attack. My chest hurts.

Jack: No, but he wrote that out.

Josh: We're doing it. Can we explain now? We need to be really honest. We're doing this, uh, so we did it.

Jack: Just cut it, cut it. Do you ever do—

Tommy: No editing, bro.

Jack: I would love for this to be the first.

Josh: No chance. We'll try We never pre-record. We never pre-record. But we did this one. This one is— we're gonna have it. And you know what, as a treat, we'll put this out at 6. I was gonna hold on to put this out at sort of 11 AM. Yeah. Because Jack has lifted the lid, we'll put it out at 6 AM. So you're getting an early show. I like that. 12:01. I like that. That's out. That's crazy.

Tommy: So Seth Godin was saying about how it can be dangerous. This is a perfect place to edit straight in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So sharing your work in the early stages to get feedback on something. So it's like, say, if 70% of most people will think it's not great, 30% will be supportive of it and be like, that's great, you know. And so there's a high probability of coming across one of those 70% people in the early stages, which then can cripple you actually putting the thing out. And so maybe like you're saying, you start caring less, but maybe you're just dialling in who you're talking to about stuff. You're caring less about the noise in the early days 'cause you've got the people that you show. Like I can imagine you'd show Josh something before you just show some random guy at the office.

Jack: And you stop worrying that you can't please everybody. You'll never make something that 100% of people like.

Josh: I had the impulse last night, mum said, "Ah, ah, listen to the show." Your mum did? Yeah, that's what she said last night.

Jack: And she's one of the 70%, so it's really hard for Josh to get that critical feedback.

Josh: Do you know what I said? Do you know the awesome impulse was, um, normally I say, what did you think? And in that moment I was just able to go, oh cool, that's good. What's your top 5 learnings? No, because I feel like it is like I open myself too much. Like I'm like, oh, do I actually care in this moment.

Jack: Constructive feedback from some people is not really going to help you if that's not who you're making the product for.

Josh: It's not for mum. But so this, um, this is— someone's moving the table. The—

Jack: a lot of what can I just say on share your work? Um, you introduced me to a great book which is called, um, Steal Like an Artist. Yeah. Um, who's that?

Josh: Who's the Austin Kleon?

Jack: Yeah, he's a great— and he didn't show your work. He did, um, Show Your Work, which is a book that I'm just rereading again now. Which is about all that.

Tommy: It's fantastic. And when you say, uh, rereading, is this, uh, Audible? No, it's such a fucking small—

Jack: actually, I actually read it like old school style, but I do do a lot of audiobooks.

Tommy: Now I know you've got Josh's password.

Jack: Oh no, I've actually been meaning to ask you, like, did you cheque your password?

Tommy: Yeah, I've also got, um, Amy, my, my wife, she wants the things I really want. Um, Saddle Out of Not Giving a Fuck.

Josh: The interesting thing, I went on to my Audible account and I clicked on something to listen to it, said, did you want to go to the same spot as iPhone 47? I've given it to that many people that it's iPhone 47. Audible's going to shut me down soon.

Jack: It's— I try to— do you do this? I'm a Mr. Ralph Waterfall. I try to listen to books that you don't— that you've listened to already so that I'm not interrupting your flow with a call.

Josh: You don't know where I'm at though. I might be having a breakdown and be listening to Eckhart Tolle.

Jack: But wouldn't it show that you're halfway through?

Tommy: Well, it just says, would you like to go back to the certain spot?

Josh: I never, I never, uh, mind. But I do need that again.

Jack: Although, that's all right, I've started paying for some myself.

Josh: Um, probably best for the— our mate Matt Diavalla has just chimed in on our video from yesterday, which is recorded today. You fucking idiot.

Jack: No, edit that out. I'm not editing. There'll be now two edits in this podcast.

Josh: Uh, Matt says— so we were talking about Americanisms. Yes. If, if you are in a queue you know, you're lining up for a sporting event.

Jack: Is this a segue? Did you just drop this from nowhere?

Tommy: No, don't drop it in now.

Jack: This is just from the admin guy. This is what he can do what he wants. Do you do this every show with Christian?

Josh: If Christian's talking, are you like, is this a segue? It sort of ruins it.

Jack: This is still about what Tommy was talking about, about showing your work. Now you get this.

Josh: Okay, no, this is a, this is a hyperlink.

Jack: If you're hyperlinking it. Yeah. I beg your pardon.

Josh: Can you not? Wrong one. That's not the— It was that one. That cost us $15,000. Okay, that's royalty, that's music we have to pay a licence for. That's cost us a lot of money. Okay. It's fine. No, so Americans, what are you looking at?

Jack: Can I actually just ask, is it like a Bluetooth button? Can you Bluetooth into audio?

Josh: Yeah, so we could, this is the RODECaster. This is another credit integration. The RODECaster allows you to connect your phone through Bluetooth up to the, the mixer and we could bring in a call live.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, do you do calls?

Josh: No, we don't at the moment, but we could do a bunch of stuff. So eventually we're all good when we're less povo.

Tommy: So we've got a radio studio in a little thing here.

Jack: I would love if you guys did calls and it's like, yeah, you know, yeah, bring it in live.

Josh: Yeah, it could be.

Tommy: Get out to Julie. Oh, we've got Mr. Ralph on the line. What do you got going at the moment?

Josh: Do you reckon we could do an interview Probably not. He's probably very underground. Would have to—

Jack: and he doesn't want people to know about the server, so he's not going to promote it. Okay.

Tommy: All right, so, so you were saying the Americanism.

Josh: So Americanism, if you're in a queue, if you're lining—

Jack: sorry to interrupt one more time. Last time, is this a special email you got over there, or is this just another email?

Josh: What does it— what does that mean?

Jack: Well, you got— you said you went over there to unplug the hard drive. You said, I got a really special email.

Josh: I just got a special email from the show because I was—

Jack: is that this email? Yeah.

Josh: And so because I have sync on my phone, so I can I can see any of the emails that I get.

Jack: I just want to know if we were getting the special one or if we were getting another one.

Tommy: No, fair enough.

Josh: No, this is a special one because we only just spoke about it. Special email alert.

Jack: Oh, do you need some music? Special email time.

Josh: Do you know, Tommy probably thought that there was no one more annoying than me with the RODECaster and you've managed to prove it wrong. I won't touch it again. We need to actually work out some form of guard so that people have the equivalent of the chef cooking you dinner and you're in there playing with his knives.

Tommy: Oh, what is this?

Jack: Cool to have this salt.

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you should add more salt to that. I can actually enjoy watching this interaction.

Josh: Anyway, uh, if you're all, uh, queuing up for something, so you're at Whole Foods. Yeah, could you explain it, TJ? How can you say it without saying the word?

Tommy: So you're at Whole Foods. You're about— you've got all your groceries and there's about 17 Gronks in front of you because it's, uh, it's Black Friday. Yeah, everyone's getting some specials.

Josh: Yeah, I'm gonna be risky, I'm gonna say they're all lining up. Yeah. Now if you're referring to them, what are they doing?

Jack: Uh, lining up or queuing.

Tommy: And what, what are they? Where are they? Yeah, it's— what is it? What is the—

Jack: just, just spitball the phrases. They're the line. Like you say, I'll join, I'll go to that line or that line.

Tommy: Is that what you mean? You said go into that line?

Jack: No, go to that line.

Josh: Would you say in the line, like you join that line?

Jack: We say we'll go to that line.

Tommy: Okay, so once you're in there, someone says, what are you doing?

Jack: I'm just in line. In line. I'm in line.

Josh: Yeah, in the US, do they say in line?

Jack: I have no idea.

Tommy: You're Australian, but you are dating.

Josh: Yeah, but I'm married to say like, oh, have you heard Americans say I'm on the line.

Jack: Oh no, that would be jarring. Yeah, no, if Bianca said that, I would pick her up and go, yeah. So I've heard multiple times where people saying on the line, on the line.

Josh: And so, but the funny thing is, uh, uh, Matt D'Avella just said, um, uh, in the line, not on the line, and he's from Los Angeles. Okay, so maybe I made up that whole bit.

Tommy: High chance of it.

Jack: It's good. So that's from a previous episode, you started that conversation? Yeah, so that was from Yesterday.

Josh: Yeah, you do the math there.

Tommy: Yeah, you do the math.

Josh: I mean, we tried to— we, yeah, we already spoke on the show— no, before the show at Nando's about how the reason Tommy and I never— the reason we grabbed for the RODECaster— the, the reason Tommy and I don't pre-record is because we're not smart enough to remember the thing that we said the day before.

Jack: Can I ask you a question? Yeah. How many— what split of people watch this as a video and watch How many people listen?

Josh: We get about 10%, I reckon between 5% and 10% watch the video. Yeah.

Jack: All right. Because I saw that because I went to touch the road. Yeah. And you said it for the audience, like, Jack is now touching the road. That's because mostly it's just audio. Yeah, exactly.

Tommy: And when he's saying road, it's not the R-O-A-D. We're not doing this outside on a road.

Josh: No, road has actually got like a funny O.

Jack: And interestingly, what is that called? That Norwegian?

Josh: It's like, it looks like an umlaut sort of thing, but it's not an umlaut.

Jack: Yeah, no, it's like a strikethrough in O.

Josh: Do you know why they do that? So RØDE, uh, do you know where they're from? No. Australian brand, fucking huge.

Jack: Oh, so they don't need that special O?

Josh: That's the thing, they put the special O because they want to look a bit more Euro, and so they did it early on to try and, uh, that—

Jack: you know why it worked? Because I was— you see it and all automatically you go like, oh yeah, it's some like Scandinavian brand, they probably know all about the— what's going on. Dude, we—

Tommy: Australia has some of the best, like, or they are one of the leaders of audio. Out of the country, in the world. Like so many people around the world use it.

Josh: Interesting thing is they've actually like set up the factory so they can make them and stuff.

Jack: So it's quite cool. In Australia.

Josh: Yeah, cool. That's quite cool. Yeah, cool, cool.

Jack: All right, so we've got that credit. That was RØDE.

Josh: Thanks to RØDE. You can see on the big thing here, 47 minutes. What? How long is it supposed to be? We're doing an hour. Oh cool, okay.

Tommy: How does this feel compared to doing your small talk breaks? What are they on radio?

Jack: Yeah, 5 minutes and then go to a song.

Tommy: Oh, Christian's pushing the boundaries. 5 minutes, short and sharp.

Jack: That's a long break, longer than Australians. We're used to, when we were starting radio, you get told to like 3 minutes, 4 minutes max. Short and sharp, tight and bright. He pushes some out. Word economy.

Tommy: Fucking hell, that's awesome. And so how does this feel? Like, I mean, you, you're an old fossil, you've been doing this for a long time. How does podcasting feel in comparison?

Jack: I like, I like the talk at ends, like keep talking until you get bored. Yeah, Daddy Talk Show.

Josh: You just stood up. Have you had to get used to— because I said to you, um, before we were recording, I told you last week, I said we film every episode now. Yes. So can you do the thing with your hair to make it curly?

Jack: Yeah, I found that funny. I actually told Bianca, I was like, Josh said something funny.

Tommy: That's normally my shtick.

Josh: My shtick is to tell people when I said something funny.

Jack: He told me actually while you were walking down the street from lunch, he told me about this joke he told you about the Davis Cup guy. Does that ring a bell?

Tommy: Yeah, yeah, I didn't find it funny. I got what he said.

Jack: I tell you what's even less funny is when he's telling you about a joke he told somebody else and he's like, "I've got to find the message so I can get the wording right." I was chasing him, jacket, and I was in the toilet.

Josh: He needed to go to the toilet, so I was like, "Hey, I'm just gonna—" I ended up improv-ing. I'm like, "I don't know the exact words," but I just said, "You know the Davis Cup guy?" Anyway. But did you find, Tommy's laughing 'cause like it's real. It is real. The filming element, what are the—

Jack: I like it, I like that you get filming.

Josh: But what about the rules around like, so going into doing Christian's show now and I guess H&A with their podcast, is it expected now that if you're on radio that you need to be ready to be filmed?

Jack: Yeah, 'cause we got all, well, most studios now have the in-studio cameras which are fixed in position in the room. And you just always expect them to be rolling. But it's not like I do my hair. I mean, I was coming on here, so obviously I got dressed up for this, but usually I would quickly—

Tommy: shit, I got something on my t-shirt, some guy sent this to me, I'll just chuck this on. Is this—

Jack: this got to be the first time for a while that two backwards caps guys have been on the podcast.

Tommy: A lot of the time there's two guys in black t-shirts, now there's two guys with white t-shirts and two black backwards caps.

Jack: Josh, are you still doing that thing where you only wear the same black t-shirt? Yeah, correct. Yeah, you told me about that about a year, year and a half ago. It's going.

Josh: Can you believe it? It's good. I've kept to it. I've done a new order of, um, of t-shirts, so it's been a year or whatever. I'm sort of replacing them with freshies.

Jack: Oh cool, can I have some of the old ones?

Tommy: Uh, yeah, he's got a whole bunch of the other stuff, the cool stuff that he used to own. The Saturdays.

Jack: Oh, you've gone through a few Saturdays. Yeah, you used to love that for a bit. Your old, um, YouTube channel, which was just you—

Josh: you're just you trolling me.

Jack: No, I'm sure that you— it looked like you worked for Saturdays because you had Saturdays New York, different top every episode.

Josh: I think I stopped wearing them based on your trolls.

Tommy: Yeah, so you know how I was talking about the 70% of people that will not like what you're doing?

Jack: I liked what you were doing. I just noticed it was like, oh, another Saturday.

Josh: Oh, he's got so many Saturdays tops. What are your specifics? What's your little quirks? Do you have a— I've got a deodorant that I wear, Mr. Pitts, which I really like.

Tommy: It's because he says that when I use my spray on, it's gonna give me asthma.

Josh: Isn't that a fair thing?

Tommy: Yeah, but I'm still waiting for you to have asthma because I haven't seen you have asthma yet.

Josh: It's like April Fool's Day.

Tommy: Yeah, I've got the puffer in one hand.

Josh: I just feel like it's the equivalent of rubbing peanut butter on someone who's allergic.

Tommy: No, no chance. Why have you not had asthma yet since I've been spraying in this room? Fuck it. I think you're the, you're the, you're the, uh What do you call it? The nut allergy guy or the one with, what's that? The thing, the gluten tolerance. You're the celiac that actually doesn't have celiac disease.

Josh: I feel like celiac people are less annoying because they're not saying, "Don't eat bread around me." No, I think real celiacs are more laid back.

Tommy: I know one, I went to primary school with one and I bumped into her for the first time in years the other day and she's saying, yeah, I've got, I'm a celiac. She's like, most people don't have it.

Jack: Yeah, I, I heard that a lot of people are maybe a mild case of gluten intolerance.

Josh: Well, yeah, get it checked out.

Tommy: YouTube separate vid, does Josh actually have asthma from these sprays?

Jack: But what's your go-to brand? I'm not really— I know you love that kind of stuff, I'm not like that where I've got to always have the same deodorant each time I go to the supermarket to replace, it's got to be the same one.

Josh: You spend 5 minutes talking about this mushroom tea and exactly how you do it.

Tommy: Mushroom tea guy now.

Jack: Yeah, well, I do like the mushroom tea. I don't know if it works, but it's like, it's meant to be, you know, ancient civilizations that drank it a lot in tea, or, you know, in ancient China they would drink the tea. He goes over, this guy goes over to China and gets the tea. Um, I just like it. I like it. Have you had matcha? Yes, I've put some matcha in the smoothies.

Tommy: Yes, dude. How big is that in the US?

Josh: I don't know if it's as big as what —just because he lives in Japan.

Jack: What does it do? I didn't even read the packaging on the matcha.

Josh: So matcha is actually using the whole leaf. So it's difficult from my understanding because they need to do a bunch of other stuff like the last couple of weeks of its life, it needs to be under shade or whatever, but it's actually ground down. It's a super bright green colour and it's used in like ceremonies and stuff in Japan. So you normally have like a little wooden whisk. I actually had, had— if I go to Instagram, if I went to my archived photos from like 2011, I was getting right into— you bought a kilo? Yeah, I know I didn't buy a kilo because it goes off quite quickly, but I got some and I got like a whisk and like a ceremonial bowl. So I was like fucking at work drinking out of ceremonial— Josh is what you call—

Jack: he is the early adopter of early adopters, isn't he? Yeah, he— don't you think he's always on stuff before everybody? He was the first person to show me Uber before, when it was still a novelty and it was just private cars only.

Josh: I remember it cost me $30 to get from Port Melbourne to my SYN FM interview with you, which— lay on, SYN FM, for people who don't know, is a community station. I definitely— I've got a photo, I'll post it on the Daily Talk Show. I've got a photo of me in like a— it's not of me, it's just a photo of a really luxe car, and I asked him, can you put it on on 97.7 or whatever.

Jack: 90.7. 90.7, which is sin. And it was back then, it was only luxury cars. Only black car.

Josh: It took 25 minutes for the car. I remember 25 minutes it took to get to me. Yeah.

Jack: Which is crazy. So like now we all know why Uber's good 'cause it takes 3 minutes and you just, and it's climate change.

Tommy: Yeah, mate, they're onto us. 2 Ubers yesterday, 3 Ubers we caught yesterday. Well, I caught an extra one. I got stung on waiting fee. What? Yeah, did you not know about this? No. They've started charging for waiting. So this is the thing, like, it just— the app sends you an auto response, hey, we're out the front. They don't call.

Josh: How much does that cost?

Tommy: But they fucking don't care because they're charging you.

Jack: That's kind of fair. Yeah, absolutely. It's like they're on the clock.

Tommy: Yeah, I agree. They're trying to make the extra cash. I mean, I am— I'm complaining about 9 cents.

Jack: Running around spraying Josh with deodorant. It's got to be the other thing.

Josh: He actually even lights fucking deodorant sometimes, real dangerous.

Jack: I remember doing that as a teenager, getting friends over and then light a deodorant can. Old school. Or fly spray. Yeah. Make a little flamethrower.

Josh: Yeah. Dangerous, mate. It's very—

Tommy: Lighters, I was obsessed with fire as a kid.

Josh: The problem with me—

Jack: It's a bit too real. Yeah. Yeah. I was obsessed.

Tommy: Not the weird type. Not the burn your house down type, but just— Bit close.

Josh: Well into flame. The early adopter thing though, It can't be too much of your identity though, because I think— because the problem is there's a risk, there's a risk in just sounding like the told you so guy. Like, even— but you are like that, actually.

Jack: But go on, I was going to bring up podcasting as an example. So Josh was one of the first people I knew here to have his own podcast. Then for a while he hated podcasting because it was so, oh, everybody has a podcast now. And now look at you, yeah, come full circle.

Josh: I know, but the thing is that I— it's hard to like, what do I look like from the outside? Does it just look like I'm this cross guy in a black t-shirt? Does it look a little bit like, um, oh, Sour Grapes? He never— his podcast didn't do well, so he just— no, no, no, because I only ever did, I think, 11 episodes.

Jack: Yeah, and there's just interviewing, um, people about how they got into their careers. And just by chance, because he worked at Fox FM, they all were employed by— that's Phoebe Buxton, Jules Lund, Hamish and Andy. Is it still—

Tommy: are they still around?

Josh: Yeah, you can go to Josh Speaking.

Tommy: And I think the first adopter is always potentially the first out of it as well. Like, that's what comes with it. It's almost the same gear on the other end. Well, it's been around, guys. Nah, let's wind this up.

Jack: Do you think it's because— and you would know as an early adopter— you have some kind of connection to it because you were in first, and it's actually harder to use a product? Uber is a perfect example. You're using it when and it's not at a, it doesn't actually improve your life because it's taking longer than a taxi, it's just as expensive. So you then feel like when everybody jumps on board, you're like, oh, well, I was doing this when it was hard. And now you guys are jumping on when it's easy.

Josh: I think that part of it is that it becomes, at the beginning you see it as an opportunity, you see it as like no one else is doing it and that's the novelty in it. So it's, and then when more and more people do it, but like, what is the real difference between podcasting and radio? It's like, for— I guess we, we differentiate it based on format. We sort of, we've come to say a podcast is long form, it's talk only. Radio has this type of structure. You have small talk breaks, you have a breakfast show that does X, Y, and Z, or a morning show in the States. And so But those formats and stuff I think is eventually going to disintegrate. So the podcasting and radio, whatever it is, is just the delivery system. But it's, it's going to get to a point where it's like you'll have stuff that sounds a lot like radio on podcasts, and there will be that— like, the reason why it sounds different at the moment, podcasting, is because there's no super easy way to live live stream. But when it turns into everyone can do their podcast through live streaming, what's the difference? If we could start taking calls and we can play music through a Spotify license, or Spotify can inject their music in, what's the difference going to be? Talent, maybe. Like, at the start, I guess it's talent because it's like, to be able to— you think about how expensive it is to have a licence within the radio context. You have to be a certain—

Tommy: what's the difference between an early adopter and someone who's a visionary? Because I think You've been having some thoughts around podcasting, Josh, lately that I think are pretty on the money. Like with Spotify buying Gimlet Media for $200 million, I think. Yeah, they just bought— like, that's crazy. That's crazy money. And they said they're going to spend half a billion on podcast development.

Jack: And so, well, actually, and you notice now all radio stations jumping on board podcasting and putting money in resources into podcasting separate from radio. And I think it's really—

Tommy: which is weird because you can pay, you know, $900 less and get this and you're away and you can have the biggest podcast in the world.

Josh: And I guess the thing is that—

Tommy: so where's all that money going, I'm asking? $500 million.

Jack: Well, I mean, I guess you're not, you're not paying, like, playing a lot of ads.

Josh: Yeah, we've only done 4 today with our integration.

Jack: But for people making their podcasts at home and stuff. Whereas I guess what they're securing is when ad revenue comes into podcasts more than it is. I know podcasts obviously have ads, but when they figure out how to get more ad revenue in there, they want to be— own it all.

Josh: I just, I think that what part of what I get upset with is hearing or being within radio and seeing how much they were dragging their heels and fucking just missing it all.

Jack: Big companies are always going to take longer to move than the little guy.

Josh: But then I guess that part of it is like, because the thing is, it's like, yeah, they've got to do something now. All these big companies, it's like, it's good that they're doing something, but I can't help but feel, not jaded, but sort of feel like that's actually where all of this is going, isn't going to be in the big fuck-off brands. Yeah.

Jack: One last question before we finish about early adopting. What are some things that you've jumped on board early that never made it through to the other side? Foursquare. Oh, where is that? The one where you sign in?

Josh: Yeah, so Foursquare was checking in before Facebook did checking in. Yeah. And so I was the— and when you cheque in at a bunch of places, you'd become the mayor of that place. Yeah.

Jack: So that was— that sort of had some popularity even though it wasn't a— no, it didn't spread socially.

Josh: I don't think it did too.

Tommy: I got a Meerkat. What's Meerkat? Meerkat was like Periscope. It's live, it's just live streaming. Yeah, actually, you know, the one that did—

Josh: the, the one that I laugh at is Gary Vee, who has done well. But do you know who Gary Vee is?

Jack: Is he the wine guy? Yeah, yeah.

Josh: And so Gary Vee, I remember watching him in like '05. Yeah, right, doctor. And the, um, but seeing him now and seeing the— what are you laughing at, Toby? Because I just love it.

Tommy: He's just 'Cause you see it, I remember watching him in '05 and he looks at me and says, "Early adopter." And I was like, "It's so true." You dropped the—

Jack: Like he would've been not famous then. Oh, he was no one.

Josh: Yeah, he wasn't really doing it. And so that's the thing. Clout went up, bro. But that's the thing you hear now. He's actually in popular culture. He's mainstream. When I see on like driving past fucking Momentum Energy, they've got a billboard at the moment that says Hustlers. And it like talks about Hustlers. Mate, actually that phrase hustlers hustling, whilst it's probably been around and all that sort of thing, the current, where we're seeing it right now, people like Gary Vee are in the top.

Tommy: But so Gaza, he put all his chips.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, in a good way. Do you know what I reckon, Will? Can I tell you what my—

Tommy: Gary Vee put all his chips into this thing that didn't, that was nothing.

Jack: Oh, Meerkat. Oh, he did Meerkat?

Tommy: I thought you were gonna say the YouTube equivalent.

Josh: Oh yeah, so he moved all his content or something. Yeah, he was doing a lot of stuff on— I've just gone blank. We spoke about it.

Jack: I mean, I guess that's good because when a lot of YouTube— oh, I mean, you guys have both done a lot of stuff on YouTube.

Josh: Vidler was what they were.

Jack: That's right. Yeah, like the cut that YouTube was taking from what they were paying the content creators was too much. So it would be cool if everyone could say, hey, we're moving over to this new one that pays everyone better. But the reality is it's really hard to shoot everybody.

Tommy: First, a platform— there is something about, in some cases, but it's not the equation for success.

Josh: Yeah, you've got to be like first or best. So that's why I didn't do a podcast after my last one for ages, because I'm like, I've missed the boat, podcasting is done. And the reason why I came back, I think, was because I was like, oh, actually, you think about how successful radio shows that have happened in the last 15 years. It's not like radio started 15 years ago. Radio's been around for, for yonks, but it's about doing something different. But One of my predictions is this, what I think is going to happen. You know, how do you watch Joe Rogan? This is some music. There is a drum roll somewhere.

Tommy: Fine, you'll find it. Um, all right, that's an applause.

Jack: Um, I'm only hearing through the bleed of your headphones. All right, never mind, I said I wouldn't play with it anymore. You managed to play.

Josh: All right, uh, no, how do you watch Joe Rogan at the moment, or consume Joe Rogan?

Jack: Uh, I podcast it. I know people just get the clips on YouTube. I listen to it. I probably don't often listen all the way through, just listen for about half hour, 45 minutes.

Josh: Yeah, what I reckon is going to happen is, so for people who don't know, Joe Rogan is one of the biggest podcasters. He does long-form interviews. He does livestream with video. Yeah. What I reckon will happen is I think YouTube will eventually allow content creators to when they're going doing a live stream, there'll be a checkbox which will be optimised for audio. And I can imagine YouTube being— you know how YouTube had YouTube Music, which hasn't— I don't really think has been a massive thing. I can imagine there being a YouTube Radio or YouTube Audio version where you can live stream all these different shows. So you can subscribe to them all, it will create radio sort of playlists for you, integrate YouTube YouTube Music, and it will also have its video offering. So if you're watching something on a TV and then you get into your car, YouTube will know all that information and be able to context switch and give you audio when you're in there, video when you're there. What do you think? Do you think that could happen? Yeah. Would you? Yeah. No, I don't feel like you—

Jack: we're just 5 minutes over time and I'm worried that people are getting bored.

Josh: Yeah, that we can't end the show on that. No. Yeah, we can. No, we can't, guys.

Jack: That's all we have time for today.

Josh: No, that's literally This is my shtick.

Jack: All right, um, you guys talk about YouTube so much I didn't even get to plug my band. Oh yeah, I didn't even get to talk about Wikipedia, which I wanted you guys to help me.

Josh: Oh yeah, so what's on Wikipedia? Yeah, so what's the latest on the Wikipedia stuff?

Jack: Do you guys edit Wikipedia? No, apparently you get special privileges if you're already an editor, because I wasn't an editor and I came in, they said, oh well, we're going to have to review what you're putting up because we don't trust you. So I need somebody 97, who edits the PDF.

Josh: I was hoping that he would. He hasn't.

Jack: He's savvy. I need someone who does it a lot.

Tommy: Yeah, if I got one before you—

Jack: no, I'll be happy because maybe you could link to me and it would help me. True, true. No, I don't really care. Also, I'm making a band. We don't have a band name yet. I was going to play you a tiny bit of the music. Where is it? It's on my phone.

Josh: Okay. Yeah, can we just put—

Tommy: we'll play. This is the app.

Josh: Yeah, can you— you'll play it for us? You don't have to um, just play it for Tommy and I and then we'll insert the music.

Jack: I only want to play a second.

Josh: No, just play a second.

Jack: No, I'm not gonna play the whole thing because it's not released yet. He doesn't want to— this is a teaser. Okay, this is a teaser. Okay, ready? Okay.

Tommy: Oh my God. All right, no name band, Blink-182 vibes.

Josh: Don't talk over the music. That's all you get. The Small Things. It's original.

Tommy: I like it. Was that you on the—

Jack: That's me on the guitar. Oh, it's good fun. Yeah. Okay, when you have Mike on, Mike Liberale, he's the other guy.

Josh: He doesn't talk about his last name much on here. I think he did a whole bit on his podcast where he's like, oh, you're not gonna know my last name. Okay, but we don't know that. Yeah, between Mr. Ralph and this, you're gonna— You're not making any friends.

Tommy: Yeah, this is ACA exposés. Yeah.

Josh: Yeah, every 5 minutes. And so can you quickly update on Hamish and Andy for this year? You're doing the podcast? What's it?

Jack: Yeah, podcast comes back March Eve, February 28th.

Josh: And is there going to be any changes to the format or anything?

Jack: Yeah, long-form podcast now where we interview, um, people, UFC fighters, a lot of martial arts and stuff.

Tommy: Yeah, neuroscience, hallucinogenics.

Josh: The same. Are you a meditator? No, I've tried in the past.

Jack: I bet it— I believe that it has benefits and I would love to experience those benefits, but I just couldn't get over that hurdle.

Tommy: Unless it's in a powdered form, free shake in the morning.

Jack: He doesn't want— unless I can blend it.

Josh: Are you gonna do it? And quickly, you can do live shows of the band?

Tommy: What's the—

Jack: what's it? Don't make me feel like I'm wrapping you up. I was only getting bored of that YouTube stuff. If you guys want to keep talking, I I can. Um, what's the question? I don't know.

Josh: No, is the, um, I thought we're going out with music.

Tommy: Yeah, to be honest, I'm bored now.

Josh: Guys, you're actually going to set it up and people are going to think that they're bored?

Jack: You sort of create it. Cut all this, don't you? How many, how many? Absolutely.

Josh: We have got no fucking time to edit live doing—

Jack: I thought that's what 97 did.

Josh: No, he just literally fucking swiped something.

Jack: What did he do, 97?

Josh: Because yeah, this is the first time that, uh, Jack has been able to throw that gear at someone outside of him. But how many How many years did you get that shit?

Jack: Actually respect what you do.

Josh: But I don't know what you do. So whatever it is, our band, the band, what's the deal?

Jack: I want us to play live. Yeah, we want to play live, but we're not anywhere near that yet. We only, even though we started recording, so we're recording with a real music producer, which is the exciting bit, except he's doing us a favour so we can only do it when he's available. And is it like the radio? We've been there 3 times.

Josh: If it's just, is it Danny O'Grady?

Jack: No, so this is a music guy not in a radio studio.

Josh: Oh great, so it's like a legit, like big consoles and stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fun. What's the collaboration process been like with—

Jack: with Yuri, the music producer? Yeah, I'm with Mike. Uh, Mike's great, he's fun, he's a funny guy, so he's funny to write with. It's like, it's not a comedy band, but it's like silly, I guess. So, but it's not like, um, punchlines. Weird Al? It's not Weird Al, no. Um, all originals as well, except for the Blink-182 vibes in that song I played And then Yuri's great. He's done heaps and heaps of stuff in the past. He did a lot of TV stuff like all your like Full Frontals and Fast Forward. And he did like all the parodies on The Footy Show and stuff. I bet I'm not saying his best stuff. He did a lot of theme songs to shows we'd know like We Can Be Heroes and—

Tommy: Priscilly.

Jack: Actually, I don't know if he did that. He's done a heap of shit that makes it seem like everything, every cool Australian production he's done, but he's had his hands in a lot of stuff and he's great to work with as well.

Josh: Have you thought about after radio? What— because you and I used to have conversations every year around like, I'm going to do this next, like I'm doing— you've sort of got a heap of momentum at the moment with all the Christian O'Connell stuff and with H&A's podcast, Wikipedia coming out soon.

Jack: But do you think about like, uh, Jack in 20—

Josh: I was gonna say 2015, but it's already been 2015. 2025, that pre-recorded 2025. Like, do you think about like, would you eventually like to live in your house in Melbourne reading books, or the tax-free haven where you're living off your Bitcoin? Yeah, I mean, what is the I think we'll live in Melbourne.

Jack: I just love it so much. I didn't— for a while I loved the idea of going to New York and trying to live in New York and, and see if we could make a life over there. But I think we just, we really like it here. So even if I wasn't working on Christian's show, um, I would still— whatever I was doing, I think we would— I would try and do it here.

Josh: Yeah. And what, what type of stuff do you consume? What sort of content outside of podcasting and stuff? What do you go to on your phone?

Jack: Yeah, I'm on audiobooks at the moment a lot actually. Um, but he needs that password. I got you. No, well, that's why I've got my own.

Josh: You start buying them yourself.

Jack: So, um, what have I got at the moment?

Josh: What apps you got? Yelp. How often are you using Yelp? That's definitely one to go.

Jack: Yeah, I could probably— so this is, uh, it's called— we just got sued for copyright there.

Tommy: What is that app?

Jack: This is an audiobook app that's like, so you can get audiobooks from other places. Because I tell you, Audible, this is my main 100% concern with them. DRM? No, you can't download from your phone the books. Like, you can't search a book and buy it. Okay, that, that, okay, well fix that. Yeah, that means, isn't that obvious? Yeah, I mean, like, log on on your computer to your Amazon account, buy it, then send it to you.

Josh: What I appreciate is that whoever You always talk as if they're watching, which I appreciate.

Tommy: So if you are watching from Audible, please, um, I'd only just been listening to the ones Josh had already done all that.

Josh: Yeah, is it all non-fiction though? Um, yeah, it's all How to Win Friends.

Jack: Well, I'll tell you that I keep a list now of books that I've read so that I can just, if I want to recommend them, I can go back to it. I'm going to go to it now, tell you about the books I've read.

Tommy: Oh, you need to do this, Josh, get a quick list this, so you can just quickly search.

Josh: What do you have? No, that's what I remember. I can just Audible.

Tommy: I can look at Audible. You're buying so many books that aren't on Audible now. Yeah, you're actually— you've got a list.

Jack: Yeah. Are we in like a Wi-Fi dead zone or something? Uh, yeah.

Tommy: Are you with— who are you with, mate?

Josh: Optus? Yeah, yeah, it's Optus. Amazing.

Tommy: The anti-phone ad. Are we fucking—

Josh: is this thing— we've defamed a lot of businesses today, right?

Jack: But we've also given some a free kick. Thank you.

Josh: Yeah. Yeah. No sugar. And RØDE, a brilliant Australian company.

Jack: I'll try and remember. I read over summer, "Education." I can't remember the author's name, but it's her life storey about growing up with her father was a Mormon, just a dedicated Mormon. He grew up, they all grew up really believing every word of God. It was really interesting. And he was also— turned out to be a bit of a psycho. I read Andre Agassi's biography, which Christian O'Connell recommended to me, um, because I don't really care too much about tennis. But that— he went pretty hard.

Tommy: He was on the ice.

Jack: Yeah, he wasn't for as long— probably as long as you think. Like, it wasn't like— that makes you think that, like, oh, every time we saw him playing, I can't believe he was an ice addict. It was in between tournaments. Um, yeah, um, but his, his hair was always fake. So like he had a wig on for most of his early days when you see him with the mullet. That's a great book and this first, the opening chapter especially is awesome.

Josh: Do you only wear a mullet on a wig just to turn people off?

Jack: As to be peacocky. Is that it? Like, mate, if I had a wig, why would I have a mullet? Is that why it is? That's a great point.

Tommy: Throw them off the scent. Yeah.

Jack: I could swear you have a mullet, but why would you get like, I could swear you had a wig, but why would you get a mullet? Mullet, so it must be real.

Josh: It's a good way of doing it.

Tommy: Now I'm suss on everyone who has a mullet that they've got a wig on.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, just put yank in next time you say mullet, give it a yank.

Josh: And TV, are you a TV watcher?

Jack: Nah, nah, only because we didn't have a TV for, for the last couple of months and we just put it in while we just moved into our new place after we renovated. And, um, I just haven't got back into the hang of it. I've also, at the moment, we don't have anything to watch Netflix, so you've got to do the thing where you plug your computer in and watch onto the screen. Bianca's been watching, and I've seen a little bit of it, which I really liked, which was, um, Marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Have you heard of that? No, I've heard of it. Oh, it's on, um, Amazon Prime, and it's about, it's about this lady in the 1950s who starts doing stand-up comedy. It's a scripted show, but it's really good.

Josh: Do you still, do you watch The Simpsons or anything? Mike on his podcast talks about his love for The Simpsons.

Jack: It'll always be my favourite show, but I haven't watched And he adamantly refuses to be called Smithers.

Josh: I think it was a funny reference. Yeah, I thought it was. The Daily Talk Show, everyone. HiTheDailyTalkShow.com if you want to send us an email. That is, uh, Jack playing that music right now. Okay, the level sounds fantastic. Uh, do you want to just do maybe a bit of a closer for us while the— yeah, I'll give you the headphones so you can really get the experience going. Um, all right, go for it. And when you're ready, do the out.

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