#266 – Thoughts vs Facts/
- January 22, 2019
On today’s episode of The Daily Talk Show we discuss:
Tommy’s tetanus scare
Josh’s cheese, salami and coffee problem
A PayID scam
It’s not all for content
Thoughts vs facts
How to deal with other people’s thinking
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you were speaking about how memory just can go so quickly. Like we literally just spoke about the number, the Manage sheet I forget. One of them is not like I watch my dad tie knots, and I've watched him tie knots, maybe 50, maybe 100 times. And then he's taught me maybe 50 times which specific knots. I couldn't tell you that I have a, but it's sick. It's like this one. If I can link it up, then you use the friction of the rope. And it's not even tied off yet, but you can pull it down so it fastens the wood onto the youth. That's a great book to own. What not time Yeah, direction. Don't get your knickers in a knot anyway, and I just need to say I was rubbing my handle. like an idiot always admiring the wood. marring the wall. And I was just stroking it. And I stroked it. And I went over rusty in and I made myself blade and I thought Fuck, I'm gonna get
a tetanus tent. Yeah. But then I was thinking. I don't know anyone who's ever got tetanus. Like,
they there is many things in life that you just hear about, but you don't know anyone who's ever got 10 What's another example? I can't think of one right now because I'm just worried about getting tetanus. But I don't know if I will. But what does it even cause? Like what's what's wrong with tetanus? I think tetanus is pretty lethal. Mr. 90 sevens are looking it up and it's fine to bacterial
disease causes muscle spasms and breathing problems. Maybe I
fitness you were having some slight breathing
why I just before we started we were doing a bunch of stuff on the board. Like on the whiteboard whiteboarding out some shit
build a blue sky thinking the daily talk show where we want it to be. Yeah. And I started like, getting real sweaty and like anxious breathing. And I think it has everything to do with this cheese and salami and heaps of cheese and salami. But then I also realized that I had to cut strong coffee. It's hundred percent the coffee's I've been getting a bit more anxious from coffees recently. I just can't stop.
Yeah, that's a problem with a drug. She can't stop on Saturday. Last weekend, I went out for breaky with some old neighbors about because interacting with humans is kind of a cool thing. Having friends is kind of cool. didn't offend anyone with cancer this time that you know No offense, no offending of people, but these are great neighbors. I've talked about my neighbors now that a Bronx,
so it be neighbors come from next door obviously.
Nowhere across the hallway. From the current building known across the hallway in our apartment and newish neighbors. These are all neighbors that have since left but
newish neighbors in the sense of I was thinking maybe when I was a kid, I had neighbors, like adult friends, adult friends, so you had breakfast with them.
Yeah, Amy's close with the the woman and I'm mates with the dude. And we all get along. So
he weighs about 110 kilos, and he was just hopping down. I think he was actually not walking normally. And he sounded like it is. But anyway, so we went out for breakfast on Saturday morning. And who facilitated that? Amy? She's been she's been texting she's about to have a baby. I am isn't on that. Yeah, the, the neighbor. And so it was really, really lovely. We always get along and just talk shit and the dude, he's like a programmer. So I love just talking to him about some techie shit. And he and he schooled me on something. Because we were talking if for some reason we're talking about Pi Day. So
can you explain more pi
is an Australian only thing.
I'm not sure. But I think it could be different. Maybe it's maybe way forward in this technology.
Australia is why why more for I remember having an American friend transfer me money. And he said it was easy. Yeah. And he had to fucking Call Us Bank.
Yeah, that's not easy, bro. So basically, there's some sort of verification ID that you can activate within your bank accounts. I nj. I turned it on. I didn't have pay ID turned on. I don't. So basically, I remember doing Jules Lund. I'm so sorry. We got burritos one night and Bondi, and I'm with Commonwealth Bank, and I at that stage I was in and I was like, oh, I'll shoot you some money for the burrito. He's like, yes. Wait, that I did that thing again. By the way. Yes. Flashing anyway, so I jumped onto my phone. And I was like, Oh, I could just text it through to him through this thing. And this is when it wasn't that good. Because he wasn't with come back
and said had something to that go money. So it's this annoying thing where you text them and then they have to fucking putting their beer spin it? Yeah.
He's like, fact that you get a burrito for free a little shit. And I was. So anyway, that was my first encounter with what used to be something equivalent. Now it's super easy. Each bank can you can get a pay ID, which is some sort of number but it connects to your mobile phone number. It's universal.
So if you are doesn't matter what bank you are, yes, you can give your phone number to friend. And did they go into their bank app
today. So transferring the money through on G OK.
And yet putting your number. And so we got talking about
some sort of scam that he was under. And he explained this game. Well, and like he saw the right word, scam that someone had tried on him. So yeah, there were there were fishing for him to get fucked up and send over some money. He got a text message on his phone that was like, Hi, D, and then the full last name. Your amount of this is blah, blah, blah. It needs to be paid now, link, which is obviously dodgy, then he was telling me how they got his name because it's like an issue. And then full name. Yeah. This is where the pay ID game came in. So we're sitting there. I'm like, Fuck, this is amazing. So you're telling me that if I just give you any phone number, you could tell me the full name of that person. So what I did was I went into my phone and I looked at ration calls. And I went through to find just a random number that I didn't know that it wasn't saved in my phone. I was like, Fuck, I try this one. So I tried a few one was like, no pay ID. So they had an activated, I gave him one. And it came back. And he's like Dean mash. Who the fuck is Dean mash? So this was a number of my phone that I didn't save. And I looked it up. turned out it was the air conditioner guy that gave his air conditioning guy. The installation, installation, quote, The gave us a great quote that we didn't go with,
or we haven't gone with it. That's why I'm sweating at the moment, we've decided to prioritize. Yeah.
So this is perfect my exploitation of this sort of openness. He called it social engineering. Yeah, I've got a whole book on it. And he was Yeah. This is this is social engineering, you can find like find out someone's full name based on their mobile number through pay ID. So like,
I'm going to shut that down. 100
but that's how that scam happened. So he's like, this is how they got my full name. They've just gone for it. Like you could literally go 438282644 is that your number? Don't know whose number that is? Sorry about that. We could find out that number who owns that? Or who's connected their pay ID to that know who's connected pod which you only connect your real name because it's throwback, so you can fully find someone like someone's prank calling you off a number that you don't know when is that happened? Like how often do you know if you're 15 and you're watching this, I got prank called fuck load when I was a kid,
but their services that you can get it spoof so you can put in a phone number
so obviously not for all of the but I love it like if you because I know you're a bit paranoid about who the facts is. If they haven't left a message, you never get to know who it is. I'd never get calls nowadays. Yeah, it's a bit different. I mean, yeah, and so you could easily call you can easily just go through your phone and check this out an entire day.
The visual the Visual Voicemail I love Yeah, I moved to Telstra, which is like a Australian telco which is telecommunications company, which is what you find to from
I don't know if telco is a thing in the States but they say telco we shorten everything here in Australia. Okay, your telco? Yeah, maybe anyway, so I've got the Visual Voicemail so I can press the person's name and come up
you talking about like the newest adventure I know invention on it and it makes it so much easier to call the fuckin you have one new voicemail that is even still a thing like how people how other phone companies haven't done that. Yeah, it's so anyway that's it if you want to work out who the facts calling you and what
I reckon that will eventually go away. So they would just be able to do it where it's like they give you initials maybe don't have to give all those details. And Dean who was telling me about this, he's like, yeah, so for yours, you can say and also the name of an electrician.
Yes, it was OK, I can onto it. So Dean told me she
Well, what do we want? The fridge mechanics essentially I think pretty sure they were fridge mechanic so if I have to wash it so they do have some
con person can also they also specializes in fridges,
like in fixed fridges, some Yeah, a lot of fridge mechanics install a conditioning units. Okay. It's their trade you become a fridge mechanic dealing with refrigerated devices. Okay. Anyway. So yeah, he told me that not a mind but some of them tell you the bank account that you with. So then they go another level of die told me jackets you are with G and this is overdue right now. Interesting. Be careful. If you're getting those text message where
they were just talking before we started the show, we were doing all the white boarding. And one of the things I've been bringing up is the concern that when we do video, it's all very light.
I think it's we want to have fun. It's all a bit of banter, just the boys. Do you think something to do with it lots?
Well, the thing is, I can't do more than one thing at a time. So the idea like the light flicker before it was a rail. The whole show, I was ready to say 97. Let's start again.
I'm glad this is on record because Josh also once said that he thinks that he could live cut this show with a board in front of us that has buttons. I think I could
I could say if he's
97. Can you just yell out what you think yes or no? No chance, no chance. He said no chance. And I just don't want it to be the case. I think I could easily like flake wide close that. Like it will just become intuitive. second nature maybe. But the
heard that we don't just want to do a show where the only thing we discover each episode is where the camels have water in
which it's fine.
So how can how can we make sure that we're still covering the deep topics? Yeah.
Well, I think this show is very much about what's going on in our lives. And so
which I mean, we're bringing that to the table, but you
know, I do you have the answer? No, no,
this was a bit of a letdown. But we were on. On Friday, we're doing the show and we had a blow up before the show. And you said let's talk about it. And I just wasn't ready to talk about it at that point. You were saying that I apologize to mornings. Yeah. When I was just like, I feel like I love talking about things retrospectively. Yeah, retrospectively or retro actively, retrospectively. You're a
guy with an IQ of four.
But I Sir Richard hockey's good to me. So yeah, no, but having time to, to deconstruct,
I just will say about what I mean, we the way we felt going into the show, I get it, that is not a great time to talk about something. But I think there's a potential skill in just us like, pushing down the emotion to just look at it from a like, what do you recommend that it's so hot? It's easy to say hard to find in control your actual emotion inside?
Well, the thing is that my concern was that it was just gonna become a show of us fighting. Like just having a full blow up. Yeah, we shouldn't make great content. Yeah, you're all about. So that's the whole thing, the big criticism that I think I've had in my life, which is part of the reason my eyes twitching from all that caffeine. Part of the reason why I think I've gotten off social media, is because people have said to me in my life, not everything has to be for content.
And so that is part of it worth fighting with. That's some of the discussions that we've had. He's like, I am trying to make everything like everything content all the time. It can be
which I think there's also a same for you as a mechanism in making stuff all for content.
What takes off the it's a, it's a lens, which I can see everything. So I can look at my Nana's funeral and say, offer content streaming it, like, let me say what funny things are happening, because that's what I'm doing all the time anyway. And so it becomes a default doing the opposite. I'd feel like I was being disingenuous, if that makes sense.
It's the social media of life, like we lead with the best or we lead with something that entertains or
what about right so what I've changed it to is like writing stuff down where it's like odd this thing happens. Like when that lady was crying when I was in the car, and I could see her crying like I wrote down like the dialogue of what happened. Interesting.
That's a coping mechanism. Show you saying,
retrospectively talking about something is how you need to do it.
Well, I think that what I'm trying to work out is how much like, how much of deep conversations is productive? Yeah, like, you know, there's certain friends that you hang out with, and they love going deep, and it almost feels like they can't actually just chill the fuck out. Yeah, every time. It's deep.
Yeah, I guess, think about what kind of a person that is? And does do, do you want to be around them as a person. And then it's probably a good filter. like as if I was a piece of shit, and identified being in his shit. I don't want to be around piece of shit. And so there is traits in me that I think everyone has some trait that you wouldn't want to be around that person. Do you
think I think that what I learned from the weekend was I was like, You know what? I think that we both had the same feeling, which was, we don't need to talk about like, where we're get where we're showing in our actions that we're changing. And we're doing the things that the other person said, and we're all like, we're both bringing the energy that we want, rather than I think Normally I'm like, well, we cannot we only gain a feel good once we've spoken about it. But then if you speak for hours on fucking talking about like, yeah, talking about it isn't going to be the fucking the solution, the solution is just going to be in doing the thing that we're meant to be doing making some change. I mean, yeah, it's what do you think?
If we're talking about our exchange, so ask
specific exchange, how would you describe it?
Very much delving deep into layered thinking about stuff,
because you always say to me, like, I'll start to go on to what can only be described as verbal rampage. Yeah. You say, You're lying ring, you'll start your layering, yet.
Stacking, stacking, stacking,
and Bray after because Bry was this was this working from the office? You see? Do you think it's good for Mason to have to say you doing that all the time? Am I Mr. 97? Fine. He's all good. This is good for him. He's getting an insight into interpersonal relationship, Charlie, and I said to Mr. 97, do you and your mate speak like this? Or do you delve into this kind of thinking with your eyes? Not at all?
Yeah. Which, which?
I don't do with all my man.
And that's so am I a bit fucked up bit tweaked?
I'm okay with being like I was reading that mark Marin book. And I could relate to a lot of the things where it's like, I can say this is negative. There's a point where the thing that drives me the ambition and all that sort of thing, is also like a negative trait. And you can have ambition without being a nutcase.
He's the fact that but I think you would slow you down to be actively trying to not layer not think about things. That's not to say that you need to sort of lay those out every moment.
Vice versa, for me, it slows me down, analyzing and layering. Like it's show, cognitively, and demanding. And yeah, and tiresome. So yeah, I feel it. I fuckin exhausts me, because
the other the other thought from your side, which I could imagine is, you are actually thinking something deeper than what you're thinking. So I react a certain way. I'll say something. It's like, No, well, if we took it back like this, this in this, this and this, maybe, and probably because you're like, it is what it is. I'm just acted like, I'm just reacting because that's the thing. But I'm saying no, you're reacting, because you were fucking hit as a kid. Like, that's like, I go like, super deep. Look, it was fucking once.
But I do wonder how so this is where I think I've gone wrong in my thinking maybe? Or where it hasn't served me. I heard a quote, a while ago, which thought facts, right, which is true. So then what I did was I was like, okay, thoughts on facts? Unless I think you're, but said, this is the facts. So when did I become facts? Yeah. And so what I started doing was I'm like, okay, rather than when you do something, and it pisses me off, I say, thoughts on facts. This is just how you feel. This isn't Tommy, this is actually you. And so but what I do, is I put it into a file that I call thoughts. And then when the file is big enough, yeah, I'm like, you know what, I've connected all the dots. And it turns out, this is the fucking fact. And I dropped the file. So we're going to go through this one by one. Yeah. And I'm going to show and you like, you never said that was a problem like, Well, that was a thought. And now I've actually come to the conclusion that it's all come together, and it is a fact. Yeah, corroborating evidence that you say that, like, does that make sense? Yeah,
hundred percent. But I think you're lying to yourself that there what's hot facts? Because if they bring them back in
this, I had to Why that? Because the problem is that if if every time you pissed me off or said something, because I'd piss you off 100 times a day, but the thing is, it's like, you realize that it's like, there's a few answers to some pisses you off. That's just your that's his personality. Because that's the other thing is, what I find really helpful is when breeze had like a bad day at work, my favorite thing to do is, I go Okay, I think like, based on what you're saying, I think you should quit. And then I said, like, let's like, I'm going to fully support you. Let's do it. resigned tomorrow. And she's like, Oh, no, like, I don't want to quit my night. I think like, based on how unhappy you are, you should quit. And then she and then we don't. And then she said no. Why I like it. Because of this, this. And Bry was doing a bit of that reverse psychology over the weekend, which was like, Well, what if you and Tommy didn't want to do stuff for Tommy because of this, this, this and this Josh reverse? reverse it, or she wants us out? She's trying to break us up. And sorry, but it was good. Because just like yesterday, so there's all day. So it's all in the way that you frame everything you could frame things in like Josh is fucking nutcase. He's constantly stacking. It's exhausting. I don't know based on the day, what we're going to get. But also that's the thing that I can move this a little bit forward. And then you're bringing in other elements, which is the reality stuff or when I'm saying let's go out and do this bit you like, but is that you're even bringing in my thinking that wasn't my thing. Like, where I forgotten? So I'll say, let's go out and do this straight on the straight thing. But you like but you said last week that you want to do this? I'm like,
Yeah, that's a good point is can? Yeah, I think the your approach of of that sort of throwing stuff out there us as a person, I think I pick up on people's in consistencies. You said that one week, and now you're not saying that, but I don't even I don't store it. It's not a file. But I think a takeaway is not to judge someone's way of thinking it's just not your own. Yeah. And so I like I would be tired, tired living in your head if I was me with that. But you sort of
know, but I think that's where I need to shut it. I do shut it out at some point, because I'm like, if I actually I could go, I could be offended. I'm not that easily offended wouldn't bring a whole lot of shit to me. But if I actually think about how you've stepped it up, and and it's almost like you keeping stuff from somebody said, this is how I that's how I would think you're like, Hey, I'm not because I'm like, fucking too much will like, you
know, what is the approach? How do I because you're free, what you're saying was when you Josh,
you should just back and bring this, like you're bringing up stuff that happened six weeks ago. And if I'd known I would have shifted, but I was like, it wasn't a problem six weeks ago, it's only a problem. Because now or part of it is this, I I'm running on a certain operating system, where it's like, I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt with things or it's like, you know what?
You're safer, like, say, using an example of when you arrive into work, right? Imagine like, you're someone who loves getting in early to what this An example of this is a random example, imagine you always get into work at 830, or whatever it is, and the person is always running late, or that you didn't even say what time you getting in, they just get in at fucking 10 o'clock or whatever, then that fucker, who's the 10 o'clock guy gets in early one day, and then you get in at 835 or whatever. And that guy says, My running lucky if I can take any time today. The thing is the operating system, which the 830 guy, the normal 830, 30 guy was like, I've got empathy for that guy going in at 10 o'clock, so I'm not going to care. But now that Fuck, the guy who's always light thinks it's okay to bring it up. And then it's like, oh, okay, if we're running on that operating system, you piece of shit. These are all the times that you didn't get the thing that you're gonna I think you don't need a match someone just in general, I don't think you need to meet someone without their meeting you. Yeah. Because if you met them in in a while, like, I think if we have a choice as humans to decide on which decision we make, or which choice which way of approaching something more productive to approach it with that rages. Yeah,
like, I feel like that's a dismissive or it's like, it's not allowing it to actually.
If something true, that's why I say, Don't think like me, I can't think like you, because I know. So when do we push versus when do we? So you have it. So say you bring up a you brought up a video idea this morning, I didn't think that it was the best thing for you to do. It was annoying for me, because I'm like, this is playing into the character that I don't want to be, which is telling you that I don't fucking link the best idea. And so do I in that moment? To say Yeah, yes, yes,
it? Well, I think there's, if there's no good ideas, it's like it could get to a good idea. So that's like controlling, it's like working out. When is it someone else's journey versus
like, when I'm learning a lot with my wife about her journey that she's on. And the one I clearly see that she could go down. I can't tell her that, but I can encourage her and talk talk with her through things. So it's an interesting it's an interesting one, it's supporting a creative, especially creative exploring the idea. What do you think like without even being the cut with that being
said, I think on Friday, I was talking about like, like, I've coached you to this point, like, I feel like there's moments where I'm coaching to the point and then we fuck it like we get to that point and that becomes the outcome and then I'm like, ah,
but the reason you came to it was because of X y&z but you only see the outcome, you see the outcomes, like I've arrived to this I'm like, Yeah, but like your thinking has been informed by this, this and this. I think part of it is removing ego and being like, it's like I'm happy. It's getting the outcome that we want. We're getting saying that the battery's running, so we're gonna we better head to daily talk show everyone will get to your emails tomorrow. Send them high fidelity. I will say tomorrow