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Tommy: Wait a minute! Frostface! The Daily Talk Show, a conversation sometimes worth recording with Josh Janson and Tommy Jackett.

Josh: It's The Daily Talk Show episode 254.

Tommy: We are in the car, in the car in Balwyn North. Holy shit, it's 44 degrees outside. So one of the reasons we're in the car is because it's too hot in the office. And we've been on the road, but there's not many other places other than if we went into some cafe and said, can we do it here? Or we did it at Maccas or we had an aircon. But this is a nice, this is a nice environment.

Josh: Well, we decided to drop Mr. 97 at home just to, because it was a bit of a working bee today. Yeah.

Tommy: Yeah. We cleaned the office. You, I love it because you get annoyed at my pest-like nature at times.

Josh: Well, we had, I'll go through the pest-like nature today. Can I smell that?

Tommy: Yeah, it gets strong. Thank you.

Josh: So the, looks, that smells so good. So we'll explain that in a second. But no, we were having— Put your pants back up, Angus. We were having lunch. We were having lunch at Jimmy Grant's, which for our international listeners is like a Greek restaurant. Yeah, it's a takeaway restaurant.

Tommy: It's a franchised Greek chain. Yeah. Which is—

Josh: I don't know if it's a franchise.

Tommy: Oh no, so not franchise, but there's multiple stores owned by one bloke, which is, it's not your traditional old style, but it is really top quality Greek food. It's Fat Friday.

Josh: And it's owned by a guy named George Kolumbaris, who is like, he's big on MasterChef here in Australia.

Tommy: That's overseas. They've got American, US.

Josh: I think MasterChef Australia is actually really big overseas. I think it's got cut through. But anyway, for the Working Bee, we decided we would have a big media company lunch as well as being Fat Fridays, but it was more of a lean Fit Fridays. Yeah. Because we tried to be semi-healthy, but there was a few issues based on your scabbiness. Well. First thing, we've gotten all of our food and drink— or we got our drink, sorry.

Tommy: Yes.

Josh: The Pepsi Max. And you suddenly was asking the guy, hey, can I have a glass with ice, please?

Tommy: Yeah, we're at a restaurant.

Josh: But it wasn't like— it's not table service.

Tommy: Well, is it table service? Well, they've got all the water out there. You can grab jugs of water and take them over to your table. But it's a restaurant. You can get beers. You can, you know, like— Order your sake.

Josh: It just seemed like it was, it was a little much, but it was okay.

Tommy: If it were, I wouldn't do that if it wasn't like there was a bar section and I could see there's an ice machine. So you can ask for a drink with ice. They serve a, you know, give you a glass with your drink. And so that's why I was like, this is not cold enough.

Josh: And then you, we start, we got our meal. I just feel like there was a few, like even just ones that I can't put my finger on. That you just do. Like, even he said that, oh, pork, we're— when we don't have pork at the moment, I just feel like you've got comments for everything.

Tommy: You're like, oh no, that's good. Well, no, they're very lucky because we want lamb.

Josh: Like, exactly, like, it wasn't lamb because we want lamb.

Tommy: Exactly.

Josh: Which I just feel like that guy doesn't care. Like, anyway, so there was that, but then, uh, the meal came out and you and I were sharing Feed like a Greek?

Tommy: Eat like a Greek.

Josh: Eat like a Greek. That makes more sense. And it has a salad, a side salad. And I say, get the slaw. We got the slaw. It's great because it's got a lot of like dill, I think. Is that what it is?

Tommy: Yeah, it's lovely.

Josh: I love dill.

Tommy: But it wasn't what I thought a slaw was.

Josh: Well, it's just like a healthy slaw. It's not like covered in mayo. It's a very sort of light, almost sort of citrusy dressing, maybe.

Tommy: In my words, dry as fuck.

Josh: Yeah, well, so all of a sudden, I don't even, I don't think you even told me first. Maybe you said, oh, it's a little bit dry.

Tommy: He was just walking past. No, I never mentioned it was dry. I was just eating and I was like, I wonder if I could get some tzatziki.

Josh: He said, yeah, you said, ah, the, no, you did say it was dry because you said the salad's dry. Can I have some tzatziki for it? And he goes, oh, we could give you some dressing, some more dressing. You're like, no, just some tzatziki. Thank you.

Tommy: It's a restaurant, bro. What do you think? You go to work.

Josh: Tzatziki costs money.

Tommy: Well, they've given me a dry salad with no dressing and a little sprinkle. This is the thing. What if you get a shitty burger from Macca's? You can take it back just because it's fast food. Doesn't, doesn't mean you can't. Like, it's a restaurant.

Josh: Tzatziki wasn't in the salad though. So you're just asking for an additional. Okay.

Tommy: But they put me out. With a subpar salad.

Josh: And so you thought that, and it worked.

Tommy: And it was cool.

Josh: And so I get all the funny thing is that every single time you do one of these.

Tommy: You benefit from it for one.

Josh: Leechy, scabby sort of things. I always end up benefiting, which I'm not happy about, but I like it.

Tommy: But I think it's just your view on it. So it's not kind of saying, I fucking, you have made me a shitty salad. So, you know, take it back. I want a brand new salad. I want the grain salad. I want the one with the—

Josh: Well, because I liked the salad though.

Tommy: It's fine. It was fine. I never said take it back and I was never saying put some of this on yours. All I was saying was, could I have some tzatziki so my salad—

Josh: Can I have an extra ingredient?

Tommy: —didn't dry like some fucking tan bark from a kid's playground.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: That's all I wanted. And then you ate the tzatziki. It was lovely tzatziki. To be honest, tzatziki in that, that's a winner.

Josh: And the eggplant dip was yummy as well. Eggplant. Yeah, that was okay. So Okay. Anyway, so we're at Mr. 97's house, we're dropping him off. And he said, first of all, he said, Mr. 97, did you invite us in? Yeah, he did. He said, do you guys want to do the podcast inside? Or did you ask?

Tommy: I can't remember. But what he did say was, would you guys like some water?

Josh: And then he said, have you got any snacks?

Tommy: Yeah, see, it's Fat Friday.

Josh: And so, uh, Mr. 97's come back. And actually, fuck it.

Tommy: You're not eating what he's brought out because you have so much pushback. I see you got any snacks? Were you offended by that, Mr. 97? Nah, it's fair. It's fine. It's fair. Yeah. Gave him a lift home, uh, bought him lunch and now we're about to eat his treats.

Josh: Who made these? Uh, my little bro. Okay. And so there's, there's a dark chocolate peanut butter. Can you actually give us the ingredients, like the rundown?

Tommy: Yeah, so it's dark chocolate, two pieces of dark chocolate with peanut butter, like sort of squished in the middle.

Josh: And there's a bit of coconut oil in there as well. Where's the dark chocolate? Like what's the dark, what sort of dark chocolate is it?

Tommy: Oh, it's 85% dark chocolate, just the one from Coles. Geez. All right. So my pestiness or my scabbiness has paid off because Josh is looking happy. They are. They're good?

Josh: It's like a fat bomb.

Tommy: Oh, wow.

Josh: Which I used to have on keto. You know, I was talking about the other day. Wait, so Mr. 97, some people would hate the sound of this, of eating, but I love listening to people eat while they talk. That's the weirdest thing you've ever said.

Tommy: Other than that time.

Josh: Night of the day of the talk show, we're about to talk about who's getting the squeegees. Uh, but send us an email, hi@thedailytalkshow.com. Do you like the sound of people eating? That's weird, man. Really? It's really weird when they talk. There's something really like, like this right now.

Tommy: Joe Rogan, his number one complaint is that is when people are on his show eating.

Josh: Really?

Tommy: This guy started doing it as soon as he started the podcast.

Josh: He's like, dude, um, live stream, like people because they're on the livestream.

Tommy: Jon Jones, USC fighter. He was eating this protein bar as they started rolling. He's like, John, dude, you're gonna get hounded, man. People hate this. It's the most annoyed people get is from people eating.

Josh: So the one question I have about the 85% is, yeah, so did you say it was Cole's brand? Is it Cookie? Nah, not Cole's home brand, but it's like some, uh, I don't know what one is.

Tommy: And he had a problem with me. I'm gonna have one more. No, no, no, you can't. No. Why? No, I'm thinking of the people with the voice. We'll eat the whole thing. Mr. 97's fucked up. We're taking them home.

Josh: Don't be scared. I'm actually gonna put them down by my feet so they don't fucking— So they don't melt. Yeah, it's 44 degrees here, which is bloody hot in Melbourne. Yesterday we had the idea of the squeegee keyring off the back of the coin, which I've purchased.

Tommy: What I love was we just got in this sort of Josh wanted to start a cult. He wanted to create this coin and I was like, nah. And then it kind of just went back and forth and somehow naturally we got to keyrings that have little squeegees on them. And that's a throwback to episode 14, which we're not even going to explain it because you don't actually deserve to own one unless you've listened to episode 14. Do you think? And you know what we're talking about. Do you think people know outside, like around the world, what a squeegee is? A squeegee, a thing that you would use to get all of the water off your windscreen. If you— I guess it's like a universal tool that people at traffic lights use to clean your window on one side is like a thing.

Josh: Universal tool?

Tommy: Universal, universally used. Okay. Yeah. Maybe it's the wrong—

Josh: No, no, that makes sense. Universally used.

Tommy: Yeah.

Josh: For squeegee dudes. That's literally what they do.

Tommy: Squeegee dudes. Yeah. Depends on which dude it is.

Josh: Because if it's Josh Hansen, he's kind of squeegee. Yeah. And so we, we, uh, what we've done is we've capped the cult at 20 people. 20 people.

Tommy: For now. Which means 20 people own this. Own this. They'll be part of the Squeegee Cult, the Daily Talk Show.

Josh: The Daily Talk Show. And so what I said was we'll work out how to give out the 20, but we would give 5 keyrings to the first 5 people who sent us emails. Yeah. Are they all gone? No, so there's 3, there's 4 emails and 3 of them are qualifying and 1 disqualified/opt-out.

Tommy: Okay, Wayne P, he's got one. Yeah, keyrings. He's followed the protocol, the subject line keyring, and then just saying he wants one and what his address is.

Josh: Wayne, this is gonna be big. This is Excited to have you as part of the cult.

Tommy: It won't be a big squeegee, it'll be a small squeegee.

Josh: A small squeegee, big impact. Small squeegee, big impact. Yeah, it's not the size of the squeegee that counts.

Tommy: Then we got Bobby. He's got a key ring and he did key and then quotation marks ring. So, key ring. Yeah, I can imagine he winks as he sends it too.

Josh: Thanks, Bobby. You're getting one as well.

Tommy: And then we've also got Chelsea. Chelsea B.

Josh: Yeah, Chelsea B from Tennessee.

Tommy: Yeah, well, no, she's from Columbia, so not far.

Josh: Not far. Isn't that in Tennessee?

Tommy: Oh yeah, TN. Yeah, they do. They look a bit different. Yeah, the states are very—

Josh: a little bit.

Tommy: Yeah, so she sent us their address. Hey, shout out. Fuck, how cool is that? We've got people in Columbia, Tennessee listening.

Josh: Yeah, that's great. I feel like when you say Columbia, every time you say it, it feels like you think it's Colombia, the country.

Tommy: I'm the kind of guy that says Columbia. Like it's a bit of a Columbia.

Josh: Is that how you say— that sounds almost Jamaican. Yeah, yeah, man. Anyway, so that's— but we also received an email from James, which he used the subject line keyring. It's so good. And so read the first email.

Tommy: So this is the first one.

Josh: James from the UK. I'm just trying to see.

Tommy: So that was at 5:42 PM, and he says, hi guys, I was listening to the podcast this morning and I was outraged by the fact You guys do not have a bottle opener on your keyring, the most important thing to have on you at all times. Overall, a good discussion on keyrings and $70 coins. Anyway, I hope you're enlightened and love the show. James.

Josh: So we must have started talking about keyrings in general. Yes. Before we said that we were going to do a squeegee keyring and that you could win one. Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, the, I think our show you could listen to while just shooting off a quick email from your phone. A quickie. It's what he's done because at 5:57. So how many minutes later? Was that not even like, yeah, 5:42, 5:57. 5 minutes. 15 minutes or something. Did you say 5:52 and 5:57?

Josh: Yeah, 5:42 and 5:57. 15.

Tommy: Yeah, he wrote, hey mate, this is a fucking coincidence. I sent previous email halfway through the episode. Before you guys offered up the limited run squeegee keyrings. Please do not send me one. Already got a fully functioning bottle opener keyring. Thank you.

Josh: So does he say he wants it? If it was a bottle opener, would he want one? Do you say or no? He's got it.

Tommy: He's already got a fully functioning one.

Josh: Okay.

Tommy: So he's got no need for it.

Josh: James doesn't need it.

Tommy: And he's got no—

Josh: Well, how do we deal with that? People who, uh, because I guess you have to have a squeegee keyring to be part of the cult. Or like the first 20 people anyway.

Tommy: If you're at it, it's like the Freemasons.

Josh: Have you heard of them? 100%. I watched a Netflix doco series on them. They are— so I saw the whole, um, uh, the poster. Yeah. And Freemasons, I associated with, uh, Homer Simpson. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm doing that thing with my hand like a beer moving up and down. What's that? What was, what was his cult called that he was part of? I can't remember. Anyway, Freemasons look so daggy and so boring. It's like, uh, like old, uh, old dudes, and it's all like, um, it's sort of a mix between like theatre and, uh, I don't know how to describe it.

Tommy: They've got a bunch of, um, they've got a bunch of property. They're ballin'.

Josh: Yeah, but they like wear like The interior is really daggy.

Tommy: Freemasons. Like, have a look at—

Josh: they wear this, um, like kilt style thing.

Tommy: They have rings. Net worth. I'm just trying to see what, what the, what the Freemasons are worth.

Josh: But I think it's a good example of you can have a lot of money but have no style.

Tommy: My point was that you could be at a cafe and you could be looking over and someone's got a big ring on their hand. Yeah. And they, you know, that they're a part of the Freemasons. So this is the same. If you look over, you're at a cafe, you see someone with a squeegee on their keys, you know what's going on. You know they're not here to fuck spiders.

Josh: You were, um, talking—

Tommy: let me just do 10 chilling facts about the Freemasons.

Josh: I don't think they're chilling. So I don't— they had made— they had made this doco, but they were saying that the, um, the whole idea that they kill a goat as part of their, um It's very gothic.

Tommy: It's very like vampire-esque.

Josh: One of the things that they do is they make you in your induction. Yeah, like, uh, what's that called when you're sort of becoming part of some sort of fraternity or, um, oh, initiation.

Tommy: Initiation.

Josh: Yeah, they, uh, you have to bare a breast to prove that you're not a female.

Tommy: Interesting. There's, uh, here we go. There is a tonne of famous Freemasons and they lived the different— they lived at different times through the millennia. Um, let me just tell you a few. Tom Hanks. Really? Yeah. Famous, uh, athletes as well. Shaquille O'Neal. Shaq. Scottie Pippen. Pippen. John Elway. Elway. Sugar Ray Robinson. Yeah, Robinson.

Josh: Yeah. So Shaq, I couldn't imagine doing it at all. I feel like maybe it's a great rumour that the Freemasons have started to try and get association, but I did think in all honesty, yeah, I thought it was a little bit dorky. No, I know what you mean.

Tommy: I know what you mean. You also think bikies, also bikie, like anything that's too like big.

Josh: Like the good thing about our cult is it's small. I think as soon as you get too many people, punter mentality starts setting in and you've just got too many punters in a room. If you have a room full of 200 people. Yeah, there needs to be 50. There's probably 50 punters in there.

Tommy: I think you were the, the right guy to make a documentary, like to be the person in it looking into these things, because he's like, this is stupid, isn't it, everyone?

Josh: But I'd probably like get killed. Yeah, no, could you imagine? Josh infiltrates ISIS. This is the headline: Beheaded Day One. So annoying. This is like Don't you see how it's all a bit silly? And that you— yeah. All right.

Tommy: So just quickly, 3, we've got 3 spots. There's 2 more to go. Yeah. So hi— sort of cap it off for the moment. But 20 is the number. hi@thedailytalkshow.com.

Josh: Send us an email, keyring in the subject line. Give us your address. And we've already been trying to work out how we're going to do the keyrings. We've got different options.

Tommy: Yeah, there's, there's like the one thing about the clubs. Um, actually, this was Amy's old boss when she worked at an ad agency. Interesting. Go on. He said, oh, because I said I was going to New York and he's like, oh, where'd you stay? This is when we did the Daily Talk Show trip. I said, I, you know, Little Italy, or north of Little Italy, NoHo. And he's like, yeah, you know, you can get very cheap accommodation.

Josh: Timeshare?

Tommy: No, if you're a part of a man's club. Men's club. Men's club is not strip club. What's the difference?

Josh: So in Australia, in Melbourne, that's what I think the Freemasons are, all dudes. Yeah, it's a men's club. Yeah.

Tommy: And so there's a men's club in the city here and, you know, they drink whiskey. Um, there's a bar, you pay membership, you play pool. It's all above board. Like, you should see one of the sites, one of the videos that was these dudes who have this thing called Viva Cool City, which was like mini-docos well before their time. It was like— Well, you were saying—

Josh: I was asking you if one of— because I remember a specific one where a guy was being pissed on. Yes. It's some sort of— what is it? What's that called? A fetish. A fetish.

Tommy: Just, mate, what's a fetish is the fact that you love hearing people wank. Okay. That's— there's a fetish. Have you seen those? They're like people biting people.

Josh: Don't associate like my enjoyment of hearing someone eat to pissing on people.

Tommy: How are they different other than the action? Other than the action is the peeing. It's still a fetish.

Josh: It's not a fetish. No, I'm definitely not for the aroused. Why do you like it? Oh no, it makes me feel comfortable. If you're comfortable eating— Alright mate, I like getting pissed on.

Tommy: Makes me feel comfy. The warmth. Yeah, it would be actually. Let me just finish that. Liverpool City.

Josh: Temperature piss is? 32 degrees? Would it be body temp? How?

Tommy: I don't know. I don't know, mate. Have you got a measuring cup and also a thermometer? No.

Josh: Anyway, can I— on the thermometer thing very quickly, 32— how many degrees? Yeah, 32 to 38 degrees is your piss. Yeah, it's interesting.

Tommy: You in the back fucking looking that up, Mr. 97?

Josh: Yeah, for sure. Yeah, exactly. He's always here for me when I need him.

Tommy: Anyway, the Viva Cool City thing, I just want to finish that. Because you fucking throw me way off. I was getting somewhere with the— oh, they did an episode where they snuck into this men's club because in the city it looks like it's down this alleyway. There's this huge— it almost looks like a prison, huge high fences. And but over the high fences is this like jungle-looking garden. And they managed to push this thing up against the— it was like a big bin up against the wall when they scaled up this pipe. They got over videos gone offline, they would have 100% been told, but they jumped over and were like— it was like vlogging. They were like making the storey about what this place was. And the accommodation thing, to close the loop, if you have a membership to the men's club in the States, in New York, yeah, you can get like $80 a night accommodation. So we should look into it for our next trip.

Josh: No, I reckon a church could be— maybe we could look at a religion.

Tommy: Well, even you, you've got the things covered. You're a bloke, so you can get into things.

Josh: You're not religious, you don't like religion. I reckon I probably, I think I'd be more inclined to do like the whole God thing than I would being around a bunch of blokes. Like, I feel like I'd be more comfortable with that. Like just the men's club thing and what that would, the type of dude that would hang out.

Tommy: Does it? You don't have to. What are you thinking?

Josh: I just get that I don't think that I would like that vibe. I don't know.

Tommy: Well, you've never had the boys. No. You've never had the boys. Mate, all it is is just hanging out with other dudes. But maybe you don't like hanging out with dudes much.

Josh: Yeah, I don't think I've—

Tommy: Am I your bloke's mate? Hmm. Are you? Who's your bloke's mate? Jimmy. Yeah, true.

Josh: Jimmy's bloke-ier than you are.

Tommy: Yeah, I could imagine Jimmy at the boys' clubs.

Josh: Yeah, oh, absolutely. Conspiracy Jimmy would be talking a lot of conspiracies. He would love it there. Yeah, I could— the, um, yeah, there'd be a lot of whiskey, cigars. Yeah, sport. Yeah, what else would be at a men's club?

Tommy: Chess, talking politics, just a bunch of bullshit, talking stories. The one trait with dudes that I don't necessarily like. Don't offend yourself here, mate. No, you are one of them.

Josh: No, but there's, there is a, I feel like a lot of dudes have this complex that they need, like there's way more know-it-all dudes. There are, there are know-it-all women. Don't you think? Like know-it-all in that they— I've met a few know-it-alls. Well, just, just people who fucking, that they, like I was having a conversation with someone over Christmas and I only, you know, I've this sort of in sort of periphery family sort of thing. Is it Dad? Is it Dad? It's not my dad, but it's just like people within the family or sort of like the further out family. And I realise I'm like, oh, I get into these conversations as just an opportunity for them to fucking be right all the time and try and like show me that they know all these things. Like, I feel like there's, there's a quality in a lot of dudes and I don't like, I think I provoke it out of people for some reason. Maybe it's because I like ask questions and then I can get into these like long conversations. I don't know the answer. And I'm like, oh yeah, well, why is that?

Tommy: Maybe they've just got a formed point. It doesn't mean they're correct in what they're talking about. Cause you're pushing back on the fact that they had a point and you didn't think that they knew what they were talking about.

Josh: Oh yeah, no, it's just, yeah, it's just a willingness to like stand. Very, like, I feel like men tend to stand very clear on points when they're not necessarily that sure.

Tommy: I don't think it's anything, I don't think it's that bad though. I don't know, I just find that it's like, it's, I much prefer, um, uh, you're pretty combative though in your, in your, just in your, but maybe that is you, like you've got a lot of formed points around a lot of things, so maybe it's just means it's combative for you.

Josh: No, I just don't feel like it's social settings, I can be fucked. Having like, I think that when I was younger, I definitely, when I was in my like early 20s, that was a thing. I feel like I would do that thing. And now I think I've identified that it's like, oh, I had moments of feeling like I need to know all the answers. And now I see people who know all the answers is revealing that they actually don't fucking know that much. And they're a bit tweaked because of it.

Tommy: It's hard when you go to places and you actually don't know these people and you're meeting them all for the same time. But I'd assume a lot of these men's clubs Well, you're gonna have like lawyers and all different like—

Josh: Oh, do you reckon?

Tommy: Yeah, I reckon there would be a lot of people that—

Josh: So how do you get in?

Tommy: You'd go with a friend. I think you'd need to be invited through somebody. It's like a lot of those clubs, you can't just rock up. Yeah.

Josh: Do you think that there's some specific formed opinions that you would have to have to be part of a men's club? Yeah.

Tommy: I mean, that's probably where I would struggle. Yeah. I'm a bit more, I'm more new school than that old school. But some people like those bullshit conversations. Yeah. Just, I know what you mean though. I hate it when I'm talking to someone new and it's almost like you're just entertaining them by listening. You're just like, yeah, sure. You're not, because it takes effort to sort of pipe back in and go, yeah, that point there, that's not actually that true. Like you fucked up. Yeah. Like, so I don't know, but that's why I don't think everyone who goes just doesn't know each other and then they're to meet each other.

Josh: Well, because the thing is you're talking, I guess, a men's club, like you talk. That's like the idea.

Tommy: That's what it's good for. Like men talking.

Josh: No problem with that. I did notice that when I, because I don't drink, but in December I did drink twice. So I guess I do drink, but it was— It's a new year, mate. New year, you. 2018. Well, because Bri and I went to Italy and all that sort of thing.

Tommy: You drank for the most. Yeah. You drank the most. In Italy in 2018 that you've ever drank. Yeah, probably.

Josh: But in saying that, it would have been, uh, probably a dozen glasses of wine. Yeah, in a year. Yeah. But what I did notice is it is a little bit easier when you've had some booze.

Tommy: Social lubricant reduces anxiety. Yeah. Um, yeah, it just reduces inhibitions. The— I could sit at the pub and just fucking bash each other's ears with our vocab, with our voice, with a mate. Like if we went to the pub now and we just punched, we just punched a whole bunch of lads.

Josh: Like punch your ears with me voice.

Tommy: Yeah, I'd beat up your ears. Like I'd, what is that, like chew your ear off. Yeah. It's pretty easy to do when you, you just get in the vibe. It's a weird thing.

Josh: I have seen the appeal, like drinking. No, going back to the the religion thing and all that sort of stuff. The area that I find appealing is, like, my mate Naysan, who's Baha'i.

Tommy: Which I'd never heard of until I met you.

Josh: Yeah, it's a— I don't fucking know how to describe it, but it's like, you know, whenever you hear of a friend who's got a faith that you haven't heard before, you start like Googling, working out, and it's like What good food do they do?

Tommy: Exactly.

Josh: Yeah. What's, what's their spreads like? And it's pretty like everyone that I've ever met who's Baha'i have been like, not only super lovely, but like super well-educated, intelligent, and just sort of super nice people. And the, I see the appeal with being part of a faith. Like I was trying to ask Nate, I'm like, yeah, but can you like, be in that space but then not believe this, this and this? Like, would you? I'm like, come on, you can be honest with me. Like, this is what I'm saying, because I'm very close with Nayshan. And I'm so, I'm like, do you ever think like, I don't really believe this bit, but it's just part of the whole thing?

Tommy: I think it's not human. Like, I think it's human to question things until you get the answer and it may change. You might think about God when you're young and then have a lot of things happen where it just shifts your belief, which is okay, I guess.

Josh: But the community, that's what I find appealing. Like the network. Yeah, 100%. Like being able to go, ah, I'm like, if Naysan and I would go anywhere, he'd be like, oh yeah, New York. Yeah, we've got, I've got friends there. I've got like everywhere, everywhere. We went to 12 countries. Nearly every single place he had friends that he would catch up with.

Tommy: And you got free accommodation? Did you stay with people?

Josh: No, so a few times, like, so we'd catch up with people and yeah, there was a few times where it's like, yeah, we would stay with people.

Tommy: Jewish community tight. Yeah. So tight. Like the dinners, like, I mean, there are a few good things. Get together on Friday with your family and have dinner and talk and eat a meal. Well, that's what we're talking about.

Josh: Cause I've got this book that I'm reading next called A Philosophy of Walking. By a guy named, uh, what, Frédéric Gros.

Tommy: Did you work out what year that was published? Uh, no, I can have a look.

Josh: But anyway, what we're saying is it's like, uh, there was a bit in there. I just turned to a random page and, um, they were talking about walking and the fact that, you know, people go on pilgrimage. And, um, if you think about all the good things in life or stuff that's now sort of hipster cool Meditation is like prayer for religious people. Fasting, like Naissan fasts. He's fucking shocking with— actually, I'll tell you a storey of fasting, right? He's fucking— Naissan does like— he once got kicked out of an all-you-can-eat pizza place.

Tommy: What, for eating too much?

Josh: They said that they would stop serving lunch. That was the reason. But he said he ate 72 slices of pizza. That's a lot of pizza, Naysan. The way that he did it was switching between sweet and savoury pizzas. That's next level. He said that he could eat more by doing it that way.

Tommy: Anyway, so it's probably, it's believable.

Josh: Yeah. So, he has a fairly interesting, he's got a bit of a food addiction. Absolutely got a food addiction.

Tommy: Well, if someone who doesn't like food doesn't eat 72 pieces of pizza.

Josh: Yeah. So anyway, we were, he was, he was fasting and you can only, it's like you can only eat when it's dark, I think. Right. I think that's okay. Ramadan. It's similar. Similar sort of vibe. Anyway, he, he's like, oh man, I'm feeling so sick. I don't, I don't think I'm going to be able to come in tomorrow. I'm like, oh, what's, you know, what have you been up to? You know, he'd, this is what he'd eaten. Yeah, she said, oh yeah, I had a whole— and he's got IBS, irritable bowel syndrome, he said, which is true. He like fucking lost the insides of his gut through— he got a bug in East Timor and he was like severe food poisoning and he basically like shat and vomited out his like insides. They did like in Sydney, they did like a scan or whatever and like, oh yeah, you've lost all your lining.

Tommy: It's actually not pizza. Anyway, pizza base. I love this one.

Josh: So he, um, I said, what'd you eat? He said, I wanted some Asian food. So I had some fried rice and, and, um, like some meat. I'm like, okay. The little prawns. Yeah. And then he said, oh, and then I had a chocolate cake. A chocolate cake? What do you mean a chocolate cake? He's like, you know, like the ones from Coles. He's had chocolate cake. I'm like, man, that's why he's sick. He's like, no, I think the reason I'm sick is because then I ate a pineapple. Pineapple. He's like, how much of the pineapple? He said the whole pineapple. Jesus. You know, like pineapple, like from a digestion point of view, it's like goes fucking through. Like people eat pineapple as a way to digest. I didn't know that. Yeah. It's like a real, like, it's quite acidic, acidic, I guess.

Tommy: I don't know how to describe it, but maybe there's fibre in it if you're looking at it from that. Yeah, I don't know what's in it, but it's sort of a nice thing. Give me bloody, um, burn. Yeah, what's that called?

Josh: Reflux. Oh, I'd just be— So he had a whole pineapple and he was wondering why he wasn't feeling good. This is a guy who's like— Bad rice. Yeah, well, I was saying to like, we caught up with someone, um, who had IBS and they're like, uh, we're filming them and they could only eat dry biscuits and drink tea, right? That's how bad their IBS was. And I look at Naysa, I'm like, IBS is what you've got, bro. Like, you are out. Like, he'll just eat anything. That's hard, man. Anyway, so he's a— him and I always have fun when we're traveling.

Tommy: It's part of the Baha'i faith.

Josh: I don't want to eat shit all the time.

Tommy: Well, in fairness, it's just a big cupcake. A cake? I had a cupcake. Just the whole cake. Exactly. A king-size cupcake. It was a large cupcake.

Josh: Well, I was talking to you about Rethinking Bread. Yeah, I like this. So I've changed. I was thinking about bread and it actually came from, uh, Bree and I are sort of doing— it's meant to be Whole30, but it's not because it's like Whole30 is super strict.

Tommy: It's like a lot of meat.

Josh: Well, yeah, it's like vegetables and shit, but the hard bit about Whole30 is you've got to watch like what things are cooked in and stuff, which is fucking hard when you're getting shit, um, like from restaurants. However, which is every meal for you. It's essentially like paleo. Is that— that's what we're doing.

Tommy: Yeah. I think it's one of the better ones.

Josh: And so anyway, we got corn. There was cornbread in our— like we got some beef ribs at this place called Third Wave in Melbourne. It's very good. They sometimes, if you subscribe to their newsletter, or like a text message, you sometimes get like a 25% off thing. Anyway, they'd done that.

Tommy: So, they give you cornbread. In my understanding, that's— it's very shitty bread. It's very like soft.

Josh: Well, no, it's very like dense. It's a super— like not dense in the sense of like lots of nuts and seeds, like what Harper would talk about. It's like dense in like— Rock solid. Yeah, it's rock solid. It's yellow. Tasty as fuck, but Bree's like, do you think this would be okay? I'm like, absolutely not. Yeah. And she's like, oh, it sort of feels like cake. And it got me thinking, I was like, bread is a lot like cake.

Tommy: Well, bread's cake. White bread, tip-top wonder white, white bread. Most bread. If you eat that, you're eating cake. It's sugary. It's fucking, it's the same, probably the same response. Yeah. Insulin. Yeah, you have an insulin response as you would to cake eating that shit.

Josh: Also, my point is that I'm now reframing bread to be cake.

Tommy: I can't wait till you're at a cafe.

Josh: You want some bread with it? You mean cake? Yeah, absolutely no cake. Can I get a smashed avo not on cake? Yeah, you fucking sugar pusher.

Tommy: Anytime anyone ever says bread around you, you have to say cake from now on. Cake. Cake. You mean cake?

Josh: Can you start thinking about that too?

Tommy: Yeah. I actually think it's a good one because I, I've, I think for me, I hate bread.

Josh: People get angry about it though.

Tommy: Bread's not bad. No one died from bread. Yeah. Yeah. But I think when I'm eating bread, I know that my other, my, most of my diet's not on. And so if I can, if I remove bread, I actually have, because the thing is it's the, it's the lazy food. It's a lazy food. Oh, put this between bread. Yeah. And so if you don't, if you can't use bread, you can't like—

Josh: Well, just think about the different phrases.

Tommy: Build something out a bit more, build out your omelette or build out scrambled eggs, put some other shit into it. Beans, like things that aren't just dense carbs.

Josh: And cause once you start doing that, you think about using cake instead of bread or saying cake instead of bread. It's like, oh yeah, we've got some nice. 'Roast beef from last night. Why don't we just make— I'll get some nice cake and we'll just have the roast bread in the—

Tommy: roast beef in the cake.' I tell you what, French toast though with brioche bread. Yeah, it's— that's fucking cake on steroids.

Josh: Bri and I did brioche for a long time. Yeah, just like— oh, like that.

Tommy: No wonder you're calling fucking bread cake.

Josh: Yeah, it was cake. That was cake. It was 100%. It was like yellowy. Anytime bread is yellow—

Tommy: All right, we're wrapping up because I want to eat more of these chocolate things that Mr. 97's brother made. It's the Daily Talk Show.

Josh: So there are 2 more spots to get a squeegee, and there might even be other things included in the first pack that we send to the first 5 people. Because we're going to the effort of doing the squeegee, we might as well include some form of— I would love to do it like the Velocity Virgin Frequent Flyer Program. Oh yeah, it gets you discounts at some places. Yeah, not even discounts, but maybe just— You're building points. I could imagine like a nice letter from the president of the programme just saying, you know, welcome Mr.

Tommy: 97 will actually Skype call you to run you through an induction. Yes. That's so good. Thanks for requesting the squeegee, guys. That's so good.

Josh: We're definitely doing that. Yeah. Full demo from Mr. 97. It's The Daily Talk Show, everyone. Hope you have a great weekend. We're off to eat some more of this chocolate and peanut butter. All right. See you later, guys.

Tommy: Catch us.