#252 – Ruining A Great Story/

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Wait a minute, cross face.

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conversation, sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket.

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Daily Talk Show

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Episode 252. It's the first day back in the office. Yeah, working week. The working week is started for us short week though.

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So it's a nice gentle ease into the feels like Tuesday. What day is it? It's Wednesday. Yeah,

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we're ahead. It's the second of

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January. It's 20 times me just out of Mel out of

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the city. This Tommy main out of the city, just get out. Just

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go down the coast or like, okay, people are good about 2% effort level went to the bank before your wedding. In the waiting

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area, seeing the teeth. I felt like that seemed a little bit dodgy now. I mean, you're in a bank. You've got no gun on you. There's nothing dodgy about it. No, but there's you had you had hat backwards. And you were at the teller. And then you snort it. You did like a pig, Sam.

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Why? Because I looked over and I went safe. Why? I wanted to see if I can get your attention because I was bored. Because the dude who was serving me was like, Come Can I help you? And he comes over and he sort of asking answering my questions. But he's doing something. He's not engaged. He's this fucking putting in writing stuff on a piece of paper airplanes and numbers. He's He's either trying to catch up on somebody or just didn't care that I was there. You're closing a

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bank account? Yeah. Oh, business easier than I thought really

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sell? Well, some.

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The trick is to when you open these things, ports on there that anyone who has access to the account can close it. Sure. Because that way, you don't need to have two people meeting to you know, finish it up. But yeah, so now it's it's a good time. Yeah. I was just saying to you earlier, I'm going to want to booking a trip. And this is I don't usually do this, but for the end of the year. Yeah. Which I get to the end of the year. I'm like, what are we doing for these? What are we doing for summer?

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What was the furthest out you've ever booked something?

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Probably six, seven months Europe? Which was a big triples for for this the honeymoon? This was the honeymoon? Yeah. We booked the honeymoon before the wedding. So it was the we went the opposite way. But that but you you spending four grand before you've even touched down in the ground? on flights? And you know,

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we just thinking about it. I didn't think I'd ever had an example like that. But with this, Europe and US trip that brain I did. We I got the because I did the whole first class experience with Singapore. And I booked to them the maximum amount of date, which must be in like 11 months out.

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I've looked for flights further.

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And it's like not to do it. I wouldn't say I wouldn't. That's

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wonder if that's a restriction of their wonder why they do that? Yeah,

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cuz I'm sure they'd make money if they were taking people's bookings for 2020. So you may want to buy our flights to World Expo here in Dubai, we should say we can get that pretty soon. So we can have something to talk about. I

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thought that given I mean, we're 252 episodes in But yeah, I think by then maybe we would have sort of a presence.

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What do you mean, what do you say about our presence? Now like as in maybe enough of the

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Emirates? Say, you know, you guys will

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will give you a ticket or something. Why don't

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we? Why don't we just formulate an email that we send off to all of the somehow to all the airlines and make it out? Like

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we have a prisons? Yeah.

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And maybe it could come from Russ case out.

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Executive producer. I actually have a man who he's a hustler. And He's, uh, he's on radio. And he actually created a media kit that he sent to me. And he asked me to send it on to Holden because I had a contact at Holden, and he was basically wanting a free car.

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Was he saying, Hey, can you say this has come from that what would your in be like? Even if you know somebody, you've got to send them well,

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because I was a bit of a spiel well, because they must have felt because my mate must have felt because Holden thought that I was an influencer enough to send Brian night to the Yarra Valley to remember

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what was that? I can't even remember. I remember you going crashing a drone? They did the trip costs the more

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needed replacing fucking whole drone know that it was because

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was it? So Melbourne gate? It was through my blog that I used to have which and I said to them, because I'm on all these media lists. Yeah. And I wrote back to them and said, Hey, you haven't updated this in years? And they said, That's okay. Like, what about your, your Instagram? Like, would you post on social?

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Okay, I guess Oh, so yeah.

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Dan, that was the worst deal.

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closing down. So

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I mean, I would like to, I want to create some videos documenting some sort of process. Me trying something so they could be one where it is what, I don't want to feel like I'm ever pulling people's leg like you legit. Yeah, no value. But you could try doing a press kit. That so you feel like I

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just try it and send it out to multiple people. And instead of us revealing the strategy, how you can come buy something for free, like palm wonderful presents the greatest movie ever sold, which was by Morgan Spurlock as gronk. For a million dollars, I think he gave naming rights to the film. Yeah.

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I love those clever ideas. Like the T Shirt Guy. So Jason Zook. Yeah,

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I wear your shirt. And he made a million dollars from the eyewear your shirt.com it's brilliant. That's amazing. I didn't really he's got a million bucks for himself. Yeah, I don't know. Like, what I remember there was a guy who also he was selling, basically, like ads on his website, he was selling every pixel for $1 or something. And so he the whole, it was like the whole website was filled. Yeah. And so many people tried to do it afterwards, but it wasn't necessarily Yeah, what

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makes it work I love like, I love your idea with the Seth Godin book that you hand riding and selling for charities. It's the it's the painting the answer pain in the ass for you. But I think most ideas can sometimes they require effort and it can sometimes be pain in the ass. But that's interesting, the guy that he was basically getting scammed by an online scammer and goes through this whole process. Fast forward to the end, ruin it for you if you play this song reply. And know he's got this simply some sort of green power. It's got this weird name for his YouTube channel. There's just this kind of interesting dude. Who knows enemy sort of like, he's like, describe what your whole goal is kind of like modeling almost be like if you're a bit lanky, you might just sort of have a bit of a wobble to you show any and he's, he's a bit nerdy but he's just I like his style of presenting his scam to

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scammer was that the idea?

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Well, he was trying to work out what this he was leading a scammer on and then ends up Korea asking this guy what he wants. And then he gets the got the scammer working for him and sends him over a camera. And the guy starts taking photos. They create this book, they publish the book they sell, sell the book online. And by the grace of God, the books cold I think, and they made a fuck out of money. And he ends up going overseas to meet the scammer. And the scammer helps his village because All he wanted was money for his religion. So he's built these water things over there. But it's like an idea revolves, you can start really small. And it's not like you have the end. Could you be the 711 guy?

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Well, I am. But what about if you actually said to 711? Yeah, said Hey, guys, I did the video content. Yeah. Damn, I want to be your spokesperson. I'll only drink

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711 coffee for the rest of my life. And that's a

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big quarter. For you. What's Uh, yeah,

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I guess it's

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too late. It's too late. You lacing my bows? replacing my stomach? leasing my

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what know what just brainstorming? What would I like day?

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Well, I mean, I nearly did it with the bike stuff behind the scenes when I made that. But you felt a bit off like you were sort of? Well, I was very adamant that I was not doing anything that they suggested. And that I would only because what they suggested was cringe.

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And they wanted to do some sort of promo video within with you in it. Yeah. And you sort of came back and said, How about you give me 15 grand? Can I go around Australia for like a few days? Yeah.

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And I was bringing in finally actually actually introducing I bought to Australia because you just fucking rocked up and we're all bit pissed off. You need to introduce yourself. So I bike made Australia, Australia made over I can take this back around Australia. Anyway folded in Australia

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actually folded going no bikes,

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other than the ones that have trashed. I saw one really. So when yesterday just absolutely ruined. There might be still some sneaking around. Someone said to me over the weekend. Did you take one Have you got one? That's it now.

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I wonder if it would be something that would stay like in our office if I was able to actually

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hang it? Yeah, it would be something we would Well,

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they're heavy. And I did think that I also thought about putting one in locker, you know, like a fossil is in

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that sort of, you know, seem like dilute in a glue? Yes. Like it looks like resin? Yes. I was like,

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one hang liver setting resin? Yeah, but too much too much of it. But I like the 711. One guy, I've probably got a bit of at least a bit of pull from the attention I got from that one. But yeah, I mean, this is how good How good ideas. Yeah, start by just throwing shit out.

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So you're saying about don't thinking ahead. You didn't actually say what you were going to do. So uh, yeah, booking a

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booking a holiday that sort of people can get on board, my friends, because think about it, you go, who's around? What are we doing? And if you're the person that has the beach house for the summer, because you booked it a year in advance, so come down here, or done it that way, just here. And so yeah, I've been thinking a lot about actually being prepaid. thinking ahead, because it probably could give us some comfort in this time of year. It's great. Like, I don't I mean, we could so you what you're looking at is what 12 months from now or just Christmas? Basically, yeah, Christmas up until the end of this week. So booking your house? Yeah, within a year advance. I'm taking basically, who wants to room

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and said why so would you really do it? Like,

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it'd be friends? I think I'd be selective, was saying Why? How many people would you need? I think you just get it for yourselves to then say who's arrived? Someone you know, like, it could be last minute. Have you

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had mates who have done it before? that you've been involved?

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No, this is why I think I like the idea. Yeah. Like I've had friends with holiday houses. Come down. Yeah. Because they they are all looking but no, I think Yeah. Booking in advance. get done. So I yeah. So you thought I was being dodgy at the bank? Is that what you were thinking? Yeah. I was thinking in that moment. I was like, because I was leaning into the teller. And I was I had my hands through the thing. And do you remember back in the day when you go to the bank?

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Where you guys? Yeah, because it would fling up.

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Well, did it ever fling up? Someone has a shotgun.

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But I always heard like, Don't put your hands over that. Because it's it's the power of a gun and shoots the metal. The sorry, the the, what he called a glass screen up. In case it was a bank robber.

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Wonder if it's ever going off accidentally. Yeah, that would definitely be Oh, I think

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it was it. Now that was in a movie. This guy. This bank robber jumps over, and I press it. And I'm trying to jam this guy down. It's his classic what you think would happen but whether that's a legit thing, who wrote banks these days? Both.

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I feel like the old school when you watch like the old crime shows the bank robbing was actually pretty cool when the outrageousness that just going from town to town in the US. It was sort of like I wasn't even mad watching it. Like you know what I mean? Like it was it didn't sit it was almost detached from this day night. Yeah. Almost how we say like Ned Kelly or some shit.

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Well, yeah, it was before that. You just can't do as much crime as you want to call it and too many cameras. Yeah. Like it's too much security

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mean tobacco crime. If you were to ever commit a crime it would have been when you were drinking when you were younger? Yes. Day to have no alcohol. What if What resolutions have you got? What have you landed on? Yeah,

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what if I landed on? Have you written them down?

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Or only write them this morning? So

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definitely ones

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writing in the morning? Yeah, I haven't even done yet. But I didn't finish I was writing. What I was going to do

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we say of resolutions every single episode. Now.

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I get a bit boring. I mean, to be honest, I actually haven't got any crazy ones. This year. It's my I've got my word for the year, which we spoke of yesterday. I didn't. I said I didn't have a word. And I haven't. Well, it's a the consistent or consistency. Which one should it be out of those is the same? consistent, consistent. That's my word for the

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consistent. Well, what I found helpful is I made I broke it down into daily, weekly, monthly yearly, and then tried to do less than five for each of them. It's good. So just the day I'll just tell the side of the daily ones, right? A daily page in this book at home. So it was like on the piece of paper. Read 50 pages of a book. Walk one hour straight without stopping that every

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day. Yeah,

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have you done it yet? No. You doing so we're warehouse sitting near Albert Park, which cape having a go at me is because I think Albert parks a bit flashing

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you find these things and you talk about them. Like it was like when you were like walking, and like you know it was pencils

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are pencil. I love

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you and you bit for what you're talking about pencils. And so for the last what you've been talking about Albert Park, like

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it was built ages ago,

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it's been there for ages. And all that's one thing I need to do send one email to someone I care about every day, except me.

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Because you've already fought emails. You can't.

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FYI, emails don't count. So it sounds like he got like, a tiny bit of pushback on the on the resolution stuff.

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No, no, no, no, no. I think for my mind and is I haven't written them out like that. I need to be specific. I feel Yeah,

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I was specific. But I've kind of I explored more areas, which I think Yeah, I'm just I'm confident that a lot of it's gonna happen this year. It's gonna be a good day. good solid building you. You were telling me about this. judging people that like as I asked, I said, I've got nothing today for the podcast. And you sit now I've got the right story. Yes, I do. And we're 15 minutes in and I haven't even heard it. Yeah. It's going to be the best story. Yeah, this is how you

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This is how you tell the worst story by building the best story. It's like when you say, I've got a great joke.

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Well, that's what I do. I realized one of the things I want to stop doing is whenever I do something funny, I always say that was funny, wasn't it? Yeah,

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I've noticed that. It's

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funny. It was funny. Yeah. If you if you're awesome. You're not nice. I

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but I really enjoy I sort of sit down like that was that was a good job.

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Is it to get Is it

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the affirmation that makes you I'm just like, that's

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just appreciating it. I'm just like fact that actually, like if I was watching a film right now, and a character said that I would laugh. If, what about it actually could bring the funny level? That's what I'm actually thinking. I think he's bringing it down. So I'm gonna try and not point out when I think something I said is funny.

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Not that. I mean, from a story perspective, this is definitely not up there with the time that I shot myself on a boat.

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which I like. I think it's a one dimensional store, and I think is your best story. Did you shit your pants

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in the new overflow the toilet, and then you have to stick your hand into the toilet. And then you have to throw the toilet about the manhole. And then you've paranoid that you got that you've stuck out the toilet. It's really toys right next to the bar. And then you get a big cold sore and your lips are already feeling insecure, and have to go back out into the party. Potentially.

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What is what what was what was the one bit of content that you had for today?

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That no so? Yeah, judging people. I do it. I think we all do it.

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If that's if that's the story,

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now because I was I was trying to what I've worked at is I try and pull back as soon as I've judged somebody and it's not like it's like it's more just building a story around somebody. I want to know that guy's Yeah. And so you kind of wonder what that guy you know what that guy does? Always Yeah, sure. Let's

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work wise stuff. Yeah.

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What's up family? had that junkie become a junkie? Yeah, you start I mean, you start looking at so. I mean, I in Bodie, and me, sister, were at this slide

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just dropped from the ceiling. Did you say that now? Anyway,

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we're at a swimming Hall. in Sydney, this like it was like a 35 degree day is super hot. So we went there in the morning, and bodies playing in the water and and then I see this sort of his dad come down, he carries a walk down this path to the swimming Hall. And he walked with his baby across the swimming hole to the other side. It's almost like a like river beaches. If you've ever been to them, they're like, yeah, they have actually got sand legit sand and you can people just take the tab there that I remember that you were up in outside like on the Murray River, like Ah, yes. You may might with fucking three hours on the beach. Now the river beach. Yeah. And so they great and so this guy had this little baby that was younger than birdie. Tani couldn't even walk was crawling. And he walked across and he was gone. This big, stocky guy look like a bit of a power lifter. And he had tattoos all down his leg, and then sort of all over his arms. And some of the ones were unfinished the clock you could have been just pasting got half of it done. Or like maybe an

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ex prisoner. Yeah,

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I mean, he's already judging this. can't even say, but

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you are. Are you? Yeah, well, I'm but yeah, based on what you're pointing out the tattoos. Yeah.

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And so what happened was, I kind of just I'd noticed him when he walked in and made all those judgments before. later on. When I started, they've been thinking more about it. Because Bodie and I were walking up at the same time that he was going back to his car. And I was thinking and we had a moment meeting the guy and this is the thing if you've got a kid, it breaks down so many barriers, whoever you are, like, there's something endearing about a father or mother someone holding a baby. It just sort of lowers the stakes for everything. So Ah, and I sort of said Hi, but you know, hello, say Hi, buddy. And the guy said looked at me smiled as big don't and as I seems friendly, I was looking at these tats as he was sort of walking ahead of me. And we and I was I must be nice guy. We get to he gets to this car. That was like this huge, big Ford F 250. was like I'm thinking about an American pickup truck. Yeah,

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just be don't expect that from him. Yeah,

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and he's number plate was bad guy.

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Fuck if I could have thought

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stereotyped him anymore. He just claimed

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to be the bad guy. Yeah, this if but if you have bad guy on the back of your number plate, you probably taking the piss? Yeah, just probably it's a joke at that point. I don't know.

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I mean, you you. You could replace it with try hard.

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Cuz he's, but I think he probably sees himself is that guy. And so when we judge people, sometimes we're judging the person that they think they are or they want to be

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or sometimes you're trying to be ironic. Like I feel like with when I used to play netball for my old work, and we want to I would always play music and stuff and I would really like pump us all up and we lost every single game. Anyway, we want a game. And so I blasted way out the champion by Kwame like going around like really excited. Yeah, I get that and then somewhat like one of our pliers got really pissed. Like man that show on sportsman like,

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I'm like the time Yeah, like,

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I'm like, What do you mean, this is fucking hilarious. We won.

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I was paying a bit ironic and dumb about it. But he thought that it was just like now you can't.

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I mean, this guy's got a bit more commitment to the to the game. The joke if it is he's got tattoos that are out. He looks like a prisoner. And then he's got bad guys. He's number one.

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So you think he's a bad guy? He's not a bad guy.

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I mean, he didn't say I couldn't tell you if he's a bad guy. But is that sometimes when he's judging people you could be

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he could be right

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or not. But I think I think that's the thing my I my initial sort of mind says it's so instant to rate your to judge people. And then I go w fuck wait. And then sometimes you might be able to get it right. And so there's a thing is you got right, what's why you judging somebody? It's what they put against what they're advertising to the world. So maybe they're helping you with it. But then it could it could be a negative to not listen to that sort of thought or that judgment that you're placing on them. So it's like, when you win. Yeah.

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The it's hard because sometimes like I guess what sometimes we're just projecting Yeah.

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JOHN San Fran, a year ago did an Instagram post for the new year I which made me laugh and for whatever reason I thought about it before the show. Yeah. JOHN San Fran. How would you describe him documentary maker author?

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Is it Louie Thoreau esque style? Yeah. smaller, smaller fry, one of the fry fry, one of the big one of the Audrey oj Australian document document areas. I'd say

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there was he was on that show the ABC show right around the world. Awesome.

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He was he's a legit, oj Volga. Yeah,

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because that show was about him. You should watch that and get a sense of how they were doing my thing. I'm on his series, john said friends race relations for final IP. I don't know if he put me in a lot more than he needed to what he had to be quite a bit doing what I was. It was a scene race Mitchell and I because I was training John's f1 p team for the show. Getting really it was for the show. Oh yeah. Dude, he was so committed. He lost like eight or nine kilos put on muscle was looking great. Because he got crucified on a cross at night. That's right. I'll throw his hands. He legit went over and he was gonna be like, half know. And he's going to get ready to rip. Really get ripped. And so we got him ripped. What was he dumped his breast and chicken breast and broccoli?

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And he looks great. It look good for Johnny. Yeah,

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he was great. Great. He wasn't like bodybuilder esque. It was pretty like that lane. He got lean. And he was proud of it. I was proud of it. But yeah, so this scene where it's like a final one where I can't remember it. So funny. I was there. I cannot. It's like a waiting scene. He was marrying this girl. And so we were just there as a guest of the waiting. Yeah, and now we're filming it all.

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Smiley

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and we're all smiling though is coming to me but maybe decided to put me in up and this fucking larrikin him and

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so yeah, he's good. cutaways? Yeah,

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he's a he's obsessed with religion. Yeah. And he's very intelligent about

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the human side. He's very Jewish.

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He's Yeah, he's very Jewish. She's not very Jewish. He's very, he's Jewish. But you know, he's very, he's very, he's very Jewish.

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He says, This is what he said a year ago. December 31 2017. Okay, don't forget to make all your New Year's resolutions passive aggressive swipes at everyone else with no reflection on how you yourself could improve. I'm going with stop hanging out with emotional vampires. Sometimes I can be too generous 2018 more me time. Yeah.

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It's such a funny

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resolution because I feel like I mean I'm not on Facebook or social media anymore, but I feel like that is a very common type of post during this time. 100%

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I quite enjoyed I've deleted Facebook off my phone I've still got on my computer which is just freed up some of my mind when I'm on my phone for that time for Instagram actually. No, but I just did a swipe yesterday. And let me just let me just do it see if I can see if I can find someone's declaration to the world from Facebook

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what's the second of January so it might be a little bit

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there might be I mean I don't I'm going on here so just do oh here we go. Hang on just swipe up here

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Well, I won't say who it is well there you go. Another year done and dusted 2018 was a great year for me started in beautiful be location I just want to say with a fantastic job and great team then in June amazing opportunity came up with the network for me back behind the mock West

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with any of this without a given whoo Yeah, now

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I actually don't even personally know this dude. But it's just you could live it's like everyone's life story summed up in paragraph braided a nice one

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Maria Bray said she didn't a nice one that was not you didn't read it I didn't sit Yeah,

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I gotta share that

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is nice big many Campbell she started doing shout outs and then she said it was I didn't know when to stop. She was going to go into a family and then it started getting way too long. Well, we got to big media company.

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That was good.

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Yes. Nice. But the

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it because I can ruin their life. What

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was it? There was someone there was there was one post that was like 2018 was she honest? I think that's fine. Brief out a little bit bad because she was like I was I to you know, this. this other person had to shoot you was you know, they weren't that far off. You know, they were sort of close in relations. It's like is that a bit bad that she had a good year? And she's like, no, like, her mom died. So it's like of course it's fucking fine that she had a shit year because one day her mom's gonna die and it's gonna be shit you for us?

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I think the overpowering majority is people like projecting their best life more like the best bits the highlights really that's what social media is whenever I'm his friends was just sort of put some issues one of the hardest but you know lots of lessons and so it was a bit more philosophical.

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I can't

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I mean see this is breeze had a conversation with you and still posted it.

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I didn't know what she did after she posts afterwards. She one time I think a friend in the US Yeah, I then had empathy for are like, this person had a bad i mean if

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if Seth Godin was right next to you while you're typing this out, he'd say who's it for and what is what is sometimes

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do any posts at that point, would you? Yeah,

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because you think about who

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is it for when you write this? I think

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and embrace was like lovely I didn't think there's she wasn't flaunting some life or anything like that. But But you still I mean, if you were to think about this he that if I asked myself who's it for what to do? I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't have done it.

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I just even stuff I have done

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I just had a search for resolution into my old Facebook because I've downloaded all my stuff. So I decided Command F so this isn't this is on a personal like my documents, interesting 2014 resolutions. Okay, I said hashtag 2014 resolutions each day, hashtag walk 14,000 steps, hashtag read 14 pages of a book uninterrupted hashtag fact it was the year of the hashtag meditate your thing is the year that meditate for 14 minutes hashtag stretch for 14 minutes you this was for our quick Biggie for you. And I for our body.

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He's now this was why after before our body was 2011 nine nobody's you just really you picked up the book and listen to the audio book. A lot of

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fact, this is great.

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I'm just I'm just looking at all the different times I posted about resolutions 2013 I post about resolutions, like it's a very common thing. And then the only other thing is what search for resolutions in my Facebook file. Yeah, I listened a lot to resolution by Matt Colby. Which I actually don't know that sounds good. I clicking through because it gives you all the downloads all that stuff. super interesting. You're going Oh, you

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got my book here. These are some of the I told you that I mean, I just sort of do a debrief and then write out for the next year. What are these? And these? It's It's funny, it's funny reading back.

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Let me do have an array June 2015. This is one

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continue to network with a genuine approach.

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How to Win Friends and Influence People

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make more effort to reach out to friends and people I know. Stick to daily rituals for creativity and gratitude. Have a minimum amount of personal filming and editing. Was that mean? Like a minimum amount that I'm going to do of my own video sounded

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like you were going to do a minimum amount. Yeah, yeah.

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Create 10 films for my YouTube channel.

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Since 2015, so long time ago,

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four years ago. This This stuff is this 2015 so you would have done it December 2014. Yeah.

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Okay.

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Practice communication and learn more about the theory of it. It's a bit of my work, networking films and relationships, finding create a product that I can sell online. didn't do that sign with a management company that can develop my talent and you

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started company.

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There's so many of them that fact that's a lot of resolutions.

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Don't have my own creative space. New mac book for editing.

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I think you haven't done that

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yet. Have you run I got this is the one you got stolen, bought another one.

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Put together website, social media schedule, more posts.

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More posts. So funny. It what is great is that you go on. And more Facebook more 2000 and 10s. Yes.

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I mean, then you go the debrief of 2015 after I moved to Sydney into a great spot and bond I build great relationships you

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don't see any new connect to them to the resolutions are not really

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well see, this is the thing. These were more just like putting it out there. And I didn't look at them over the years. But I like hosted a TV show and build started a business start like look at the stuff around the production stuff. To have more beer alive with Amy moved to Melbourne with Amy amazing. Place. Yeah. And so like as you go on it, it is nice to see what you've actually done. 2016 you

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got called TechStars? Yeah,

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got a bit fancy, isn't it? Yeah. And then

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yeah, I think it is great. Yeah.

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I've got my big thing is keeping the one book and I've got a doing up you know, page a day. Yeah. And just holding on to that and I start so many books, exercise books, I start writing in them and then I like to lose them and I start another one account.

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Can't remember which one now

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what I've just got like button, then I'll find him. I'm like, yeah, this is from four months ago. I don't want to start writing and it now it's got this big gap.

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I think you're right saying you need something that you actually use each day.

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And so I've been specific of saying I'm doing it at home and just keeping the book there.

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You're basically going computer free. Yeah. moving off your computer doing mostly writing by hand. Why just need to push back you pushing, pushing back on the technology.

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I'm just I need to get back into Asana because that's what we're using for all because I started writing a list to them. I got a fact better put this in the song. Yeah.

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It's just the commitment to like using on to the to one thing.

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