#251 – Change Of Plans/

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Wait a minute, cross face.

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conversation, sometimes worth recording with Josh Janssen and Tommy jacket.

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It's a daily Talk Show Episode 251 Happy New Year. It's 29

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days when you actually say Happy New Year. I've seen people been saying for three days Happy New Year.

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I was getting a merry Christmas doing the 25th and sort of the 31st

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I guess it's the festive season it's very festive out today. There is so many people and about it lovely. I've been to the beach, which being over to Sandringham beach. What are

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they known for? border

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evangelist lyst Lebanese gangs fighting Rodin and POC POC, All eight of the file really the beta hates it fights

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on the foreshore. Why do you have to make it racial? Well, that's what the news

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said. Lebanese gangs are fighting one another

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why they fighting? I don't know. They probably just they've got Lebanese. They've got nothing to be fighting about. They've got the best food is it Lebanese? It's

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young, young ethnic dudes. And they just profiling them on the news and I could have a bit more cut through which you did it rattle Judy a colicky

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or shut it in the it's a good change from the African gangs well know

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that I was going to get to them. They they on the same day in St. Kilda there was a few punch ups. Really? Yeah. Some kid was robbed 45 It's very, it's like Melbourne has been fights the beach for a long time. Yeah. And I just like to use a few labels to make them a bit more of a bit of cut through

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everything that's happening beyond Melbourne. Like I wonder like the

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bra boys Maru bra

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up in Sydney was that the Coronel Ryan snow? Yeah,

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the bra boys. There was some little part of that

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but look

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like bye Bogan Ozzy's punching on the beach. Yeah, that's just the standard. Yeah, exactly.

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This is something a little bit different. Yeah.

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But so yeah, it was it was quite a few jet skis.

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Lots of Yeah, good vibe. Wonder if they were insured, insured or not?

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Definitely not. I was a bit hungover this morning, is we were planning so this is we haven't even spoken about music. My plan was great. Get home. I mean, I was about 630 drop body off at mom and dad. So he was having a sleep over. So let's just just the mom and dad at home and attend. We had a night off. Is that what I'm saying? And we were like, Okay, let's go in. Just get a beer. The pub is I me a beer drinker. I should drink cider or wine. But it's like saying, Let's go for a coffee when you're hot chocolate guy. You're not gonna just say I mean going for Assad is pretty popular now. Okay. It says I'll show you how to sign up. Well, we didn't even make it to the pub.

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So what happened? But you have a hangover? Yeah, I'm interested. So during bag we get

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it made is from my house. And I bumped into Sheriff long Meyer, from the Netflix so long, but what long wise is made of mine. And as I I call him Sheriff now.

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He loves it.

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He's like, oh, he does. He's American accent. He's a philosophy better does. He's American accent which I love. It slips in and out. And he's like, oh, what are you guys doing? We have to go to the pub is coming. We're having a party.

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And so we ended up this sounds like my nightmare. It was

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no, it was fucking so cool. Because it was one of those nights where we had, we literally would we would have been in bed by probably 10. Yeah. And we go home at 2:30am.

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So how do you so you're very Amy of the same school as you. She's pretty happy just to go into social situation.

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So here's the thing. I actually was one to go home and Amy wanted to keep saying that. I was ready to go off the 12 I stopped drinking at 1158 because I'm not drinking. And so I didn't have a drink after 12 but I'm he wanted to hang out. And so it was this. I think the best thing about it was it was unplanned and raw. Longer Sheriff is a fucking absolute legend. And he brought us the any show hospitable. We brought nothing with him. No, we're going the BBQ is going to be April. There was it was probably on the 15 of us. And so we met these lovely like some people who own production companies and other active from a huge show was there over in the states and all the dude interesting. Yeah, so just a cool group of people. The Amy said it was like such an eclectic bunch. But everyone just got along so well. And I was just fucking one of the best needs.

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Say in that situation. I don't know whether I would have said yes. Well, I think I would have said yes.

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I think if you had had a relationship with I think it's like cool serendipitous relationship that Robin I've got an Amy's and Amy's yet formed because we mates with these you know wife, they'll get a little kid and so it's all it's very communal in that area. So just felt really

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so be like a maid saying, Yeah, come over. I wonder we literally didn't know what was actually happening. got there. And it was like super relaxed. Like we walked out the back. So did you go straight from you were walking, and then you enter their face.

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Rob says she has to be I love it that you didn't even get past the park.

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Get positive pack. And we will tell you 30 is fine. I've had some so many good nights where it's like you haven't planned you've had completely different plans and you've made okay to throw them out the window. So what's the introduction?

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Nothing. I mean, hey, so this this i 15 people

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on there, there was maybe five others have they

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already and they were all sitting around in like sort of chairs. You

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just went out into the backyard, there was a table barbecue and we just sort of jumped in go to be

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what do you feel like you need to lead with? Do you have sort of ice breakers in this scenario? So what's everyone, I think would be what's been going on guys? So most people, most of them didn't know each other.

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Okay. And so it was like a new new couple would come with like, Hey, guys, this is Lisa and Robin, everyone sort of saying hello. And I'm sitting next to a guy. And I just back up a conversation with him. And then I backed up a conversation with this other dude, I'm even just shoe sitting next to me did the same.

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She just does the same sort of thing. Yeah.

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And it does. Here's the thing. It doesn't always work like that. It doesn't always feel good. But sometimes you just bought with everybody. Yeah. And everyone was super lovely. I think for the fact that most people was I didn't know what this thing was going to be. Yeah. That it actually became a really great not because of that.

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Well I'm not much of a mixer a friendship groups. That's why like Brian, I, when we talk about weddings and stuff, it's like, yeah, it'd be hard trying to mix all the groups up together, although

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they're all a lot older than us. Yeah. Like I would have been the youngest adult there. There was teasing me older than you. She's 30 Yeah, she's two years older than me. But it was great. Because they you know, all these people sort of successful in their own right, they just, they just had guess what we will probably be in 10 years of doing the shit that we're doing when you find your mark, you know, a builder who's built this amazing house near us. Yeah, just chatting to him. He's back in the old surfer like so nice. He's learning about these people.

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How do you say goodbye? Do you like oh, we should stay connected? Now? It's not like oh, I'll see you around. They go. Are there also was it like it was it

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was a bunch of names. But there was a bunch of random but it's just like, catch a SCI. Fi not happy need. It's very you know, when it gets light. It's like, people just

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catch you did it? Did news resolutions come up in conversation?

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None of us really to I had to do the countdown. I've said in the alarm for 1148 sorry.

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Hurry guy. And I do the countdown guy. And then

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someone pulled out their phone. And I was like, dude, they got out this timer. This and I was like, that's wrong. I don't know how I was wrong. very aggressive minds on 1159. Yeah. And he's was like 1156 and so I was like, check you out. And so everyone checked, but then I you know, hey, you can get this out of the you can see that the second timer if you just look at the clock app face. Yes. Has it? Yeah, so I just counted down from 10. They were underachieved. It was good. We walked across watch the bit of the fireworks

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at the park. And so what was the original plan going to be so you're going to go to the party.

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We're just going to go for one beer. You can grab some cheese and you if nibbles Yeah, and go We packed a bag at home and we're going to go sit on the hill and watch the fireworks and come home

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Do you have an internal way of you and Amy being able to say to each other whether you want to because you've got this mate who said hey guys you want to do this thing? My struggle would also be making that that decision straightaway Yeah, you have to be in tune with your partner enough to know what you're both thinking and you're not just being nice I'm have the tendency to just probably just really get caught up

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but I was Bobby me and she was lovely. Okay and then I was trying to get it to come on. Yeah, and she's not

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in fact in

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230 I'm like please keep it let's go times you reckon my left

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I reckon we with third last too late so there's another another two capitals that were still there when we when we left

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Yeah, we'll playing a board game Oh gee, I thought game

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who was it just you

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yeah I'm Lucy yeah Lucy yeah a friend friends Lucy and Jeremy came over and so we were initially we're going to buy some food and cook it we're going to cook it but you and I were cooking breakfast yes a morning before the podcast and will using the BBQ had sort of the BBQ on high and it was getting a little bit fat firing for my life the bacon tends

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to

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Yeah, but I just got worried the halfway house at brain I house sitting at the moment I was just worried about doing the BBQ I might be real shame to burn my house down.

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And sorry, outside BBQ

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be had some pretty crazy turned off all of the burners. Yes. The flame was still going. I had

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the fact that I cooked streaky bacon in no small. You know, in America, they just have kilos of it going.

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You were blowing on the barbecue de standby that move.

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I was blowing it because I thought that it might have just been a little bit that could just if you if it just sort of lost its lost its vibe. It's a feeling cold, right? It's like if you blow into coals it sort of energizes the cold. That's what I'm wondering is it not the same thing with I actually wasn't trying to get to the underneath? I was trying to get to this level fire to see if it would just remove because if it i mean when can sort of like push it. Fire? Can we blow out the candle? I understand that? I understand. Yeah. But other than closing it made more sense in the end. Yeah, yeah, I was just worried about the food because it's actually put a smoke. So it's like a smoke shop within within the lead

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that's barbecuing. You. I feel like that would take

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time because it's not. It's butane. Like you get that butane you taste the gas with it. So it's like a different kind of smoke. It's not the good smoke that you want. It's not smoke barbecue. Yeah, actually, it's just a fire happening and you've trapped the smoke.

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Well, I do remember listening to three AWS years ago to talkback radio station here in Australia, or in Victoria. And the BBQ guy was saying barbecuing isn't about using the climate. It's about using smart which is interesting, but I understand your points which is all you meant to smoke. That's why you should be closing the leader large because it's all about like using that smoke to cook the meat versus the flame is if we're just getting BBQ date.

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What I'm not a fan of is the web accuse so they're like

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that's what we've got one. Yeah, yeah.

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The only because I've been I've been such a bug and cookie on such shitty barbecues that they're just like flaming the grill. Yeah, sure. Where is these are like they meant to work. So you close the lead and it works if you follow it like it traps the heat and you're going to sincere and it like cooks and made so well. But if you're a bug in that just come from just going

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what you just want there is something nice about just having a flame and being with that because but my dad has one of the old style weapons. Yeah, even though it's a bright like I'm guessing it's cold weather, but it's one of those like, the leads that you lift up the labs or whatever, and you sort of take it back on. Yeah, it looks like

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back there. I had a red one when we were young, but you use legit calls. Yes, yes. Yes. Something bad cooking on legit calls it changes changes the game.

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Well, that's why I like about like, Persian there's a kebab code cobija, which is like the minced beef with minced onion and shit and delicious and they put it on like, you know, like the sticks that are the whitelist skewers, but they're like metal near long. Anyway. So we were our friend said, cold us and she she was going to bring the chicken wings. And she said Are there out of chicken wings? Do you want me to grab another type of meat and brain I had just been talking about man, maybe we shouldn't have committed to cooking. Maybe we should have ordered something. So it's the perfect opportunity. We said, How about we just have some cheese and stuff and then we order order in some food

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you do what? What can you order on new they got pizza,

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bro, you want a pizza? It was just delivery? Yeah. Right? Yeah.

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But it wasn't long.

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It didn't take that long. But the thing is that we're in a different part of town. And so we hadn't been able to try the pizza place. So it wasn't as good as our previous local. But it's fun. But we were playing Ticket to Ride, which is this. We're trying this game where you all have these little train carriages and you build out sort of trains along different routes in the US.

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Very good. Is it hard?

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hopefully he's not that you think a bit

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there's a few elements to it. What was really hard was the the board game was we played with our friends Jackie and Bianca the other day. And they you know, we were on one side of the table there on the other and what I wasn't realizing I didn't really think about but they were actually they had the board game upside down for them. Does that make sense? So you mentioned you've got all the like routes all the different train words is there all the text is going one way? Yes. But there's two players that have to be on the other side of the board.

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So they draw the short straw and

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so we did the other side of the board last night and it was a headlock you turn it trying to work out where everything's reversed. So, but it was a very good game. Yeah. I get very competitive. That is the worst the worst combo which is being competitive and then also not very good. This is a very frustrating so one. Lucy. She Yeah, yeah, I thought that I was gonna kind of when I can imagine she's calm

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and composed. Yeah.

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And the thing. That's probably more annoying. But so I'm housesitting. And as you were walking in, you were telling me to feel this plant.

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Striking and it's like, I didn't know. I thought it Yeah, this it looks, it looks sort of soft. And I think if I if I just sort of class my hand around the plant and not squeeze the plant. Yeah, I just feel feel the leaves coming off. And then I run my hand out. So I've got looks like I'm striking

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myself pain. And so anyway, you got you got made it feels good. And then I think I said all you dad would know what that is. Yeah.

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So my dad's a big nerd. When it comes to plants, he's a landscape architect. He's a plant guru. He's like one of those. I've told you, I think I said it once. He's like that the app that you just take a photo of a plant and you upload it to this thing, and it tells you what planted a bit artistic in that specific

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area. Well, I'm, I

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always love being around somebody who has a great knowledge of something that I've got no clue.

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Have you parents have a good a good garden?

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Amazing. Yeah. Beautiful. Just lots of natives.

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I'm just saying words now. Any roses or no? No. Rose.

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Roses are a specific style that like we've worked on, I've worked on some amazing gardens with him to rack hundreds, hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of plants

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if Brian I ever like actually, on another note. Can we get some indoor plants? Yeah, office? Yeah,

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that's a hard one. Because you need to look after them. But

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we could definitely when I was working at in Bartow, they actually had a company that would come and fucking water the things yeah, amazing. But so your dad could get us a good deal though. Yeah,

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he already did and I killed the they'll just had to had okay there was some that are easier. I think the the trick refused to go and just say what can you not kill? Let's get it.

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Just bang just have a bit of a water sort of no system as in like a sprinkler system. But the system where it's like, Josh is in charge of watering them a

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spreadsheet is like hasn't been done. Put it in a sauna. Yeah, that would work really well. I need my dad to he'll be able to tell us. But so what I did. You said drinking he will know what that is. And so I took a photo and send it to Dad. Hi, dad. What is this plant called? Question mark. He's if he wrote back, not even that long, maybe five minutes what

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said as soon as he sent it. There was like the message bubble as if he was starting to write a message he said, it's called the asparagus or Fox telephone. Why?

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I wrote friend wanted to know what the cost would be to fill a garden bed of one one made up by four made what you think

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he said probably ran 15 eight fried plants.

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What would you charge him to

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send you a PDF quote. Neil? is he so is he actively doing that stuff now? Yeah. So you could say if you donate your folks to alpha and the store, I wonder where he goes to your plans?

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Oh, there's some amazing

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like farms. Farm. Yeah,

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there's a place out in your officer. Shoes plant it might be called plant Mart. suburban out of Melbourne.

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Heaps of nurseries. Yeah, we used to. I used to love going to nurseries his kid dad owned a nursery really years and years ago. I never thought when I think of nurseries versus a plant farm nurseries. I feel like I'm getting ripped off a plan farm feels like I'm going direct well, factory outlet. Yeah,

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I think they are nurseries as well though.

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It's sold in the name. Yeah, it is

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it I went to the went to the tip the other day

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that you would have been fascinated. Where the fuck is the tip? Yeah, the TPS is what they call it in the US By the way, they're going to understand what we're talking about tip. Yeah, the Yeah,

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the place where you dump all the trash paper the money in dump it off, and then it gets to cut it off into landfill. So this is in Cheltenham. Yeah, just to the back of Sandringham, me the golf courses. And it's a round is a residential or not within that area. There is my parents live four minute drive. Really? Yeah, but it's not it's a this is thing. It's in an industrial zone. But it's sort of now sort of upper market likes right near swimming center. And then like, you know, it's near. It's not Yeah, so it's not behind Bay road if you if you know that but it's not far, but it's not a stinky. It's not like it's not like disgusting food. It's not like what you think about people checking the trash out in the streets in New York City that stinks and and then they're taking the gas bags and dumping them there.

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Because you see the tip though, you see like, I feel like I've seen photos over the years where it's like, oh, this person went to the tip. It's just like, fucking nappy. That's what all I think about is a tip with nappies not

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there. It's a full operation. So you get there, and you come up on to these white station thing. And then they look, you basically just pay through the nose. It's so expensive. There's like a government charge. So just for the back of the US, if it's not above the tray, it's like nearly $80 that may not have happened. So you know, like they're trying to use Yeah, back of it. So if it's not sort of like heaped up and sort of becoming way out so you saw that you had sounds like factual stuff still cost you 80 bucks drop off, and then you drive up and they give you this ticket and you go up, and there's this big, big bulldozer and it's like digging into this like hole. It's not a it's a concreted Pete that sort of so comes down this angle and just pushes all of this stuff so you check

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it in front of the in front of it hard for you, could you lower the flap or whatever, so you could just sort of like throw it

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out now MIMO man, we just were throwing shit we just grabbed it and throwing it so much fun. The throat in front of the Bobcats just crushes it. It would stink not doesn't smell too bad not there because that's just like hard rubbish. You can check you know? Not like probably bags, filling nappies if you wanted to. Is that where the normal rubbish goes to recognize so this is a hard

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hard wise that's why I didn't stink and probably didn't look

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like the quintessential it's not garbage trucks going to drop off this. Yeah. But so yeah, it pushes all of this stuff. And then when I realized when we sort of drove out was it was pushing it up into this big hole and dropping down into a huge truck. It's so cool. There's some weird shit there like there's a bunch of do sniffing around trying to like look for they do to work they're always trying to decide whether we are really edges probably made a bit of money. I remember I had a safe and I had I had the code for it. And I was just it's a big steel safe Paddy Cal hundred bucks years and years ago. And the guy was like, You want this or no, he's

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just this was at the tip. Yeah, the TED you'd already paid for the, the white for

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I think I think now that was free that was in shipping and sometimes they're just, they're a bit low. Sometimes they're like on and just count or I will take that. It was like two things that I had interesting, but not this time, but there's some could like you could take stuff anyway. That was I think

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you'd lock the tape. It's, it's very systemized, and it's interesting because you've been very heavy on sort of the recycling garbage The other day you were talking about the bottles, remember? What was that the recycling the 10 cent game the 10th Oh, yeah.

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It's a new year new me. Yeah, I'm the recycle guy. Are you quite good? Do you think when it comes to rubbish and look after all that's Yeah, yeah, we're really good at home. It's, we've got Yeah, it's a good setup. I get so pissed off when the bloke next door is putting plastic bags into the plastic bags full of bottles. Yeah, just being lazy. It's a little thing that you just you as if he doesn't know that you can't just drop a plastic bag into a into a recycle bin. Full of bottles.

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It's more about the consumption. I reckon now like for me, it's like, well, we started buying the cry, because we found a place in Melbourne where you can buy the cans flavored fizzy water. Yeah, we were buying at a favorite and it's different. You know how I we bought fizzy water the other day. It's completely different. The fizzy water here that we were drinking. left some form of sort of synthetic like your tongue feels a bit fairy after a few what you think or it just felt a bit chemical. Yeah. Which is not I don't think but Lacroix. It's just fuckin solid. Yeah, taste good. But the concern I have is just even if it is cheap, even if he can get it at a good price. The amount of cans Yeah,

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seems ridiculous, man. No one thinks about where this shit goes. Because I said to my dad, where's all this stuff go or like the all that rubbish getting pushed down into the truck. He said all goes out to the quarry. The front is literally like

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a water thing

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to Cory with our that taking sand out of there to sell. He says it was it was this thing. What is the query? The query would be a big hole with I've excavated the whatever it is the mineral or the the sand or the rock? I can I've taken it out. I remember

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I said with

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fucking Dude, it's a big hole that I need to fill. And so what I fill it with shit that you fucking landed up in? It's a landfill. So they just drive it they pour it in. It has to go somewhere.

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Well, San Fran Cisco. I think he's actually built on all landfill. Interesting.

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There's one you would have driven past it.

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And then how awful same these New York but I don't know, I think San Francisco is interesting.

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Well, I think it's one of the only ways that I can do it. fill the earth up. Yeah,

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with all your shit. Yeah, I just don't know, I was having a conversation with someone today about renewable energy, all this sort of stuff. And I know, I feel like I know what the answers are like, we should be doing wind energy and stuff. But people who are against this stuff, have normally spent more time than I have, like researching. How do you deal with these situations where it's like you saying, it seems like there's a lot of holes, but they've actually brought more information? Or seems like they've read more than what you can bring? How do you respond to that? Depends what it is, was this person pushing back on another just saying like, you know, wind, you know, all this sort of environmentally friendly stuff, like the wind farms and the batteries and also shit, it's really, you know, it's bad for all these reasons, blah, blah, blah. And it was sort of, it's hard for me to push back, because I'm like, the best answer I've got is it's like, but it's better for us. You know, like, what do you set? Like, how do you?

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How do you engage in those conversations? It conspiracy, Jimmy is that it has that vibe that doesn't it? But maybe they know, no, maybe they do know, a little more than you can get on? Yeah,

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well, it's like trying to ask questions and understand, and just being like, Well, what about if it's like, if it's just that it's costs small money? Is there an argument in like, it's okay, to cost more at the start for it to then get cheaper? Like, what I was saying was, you know, that was saying the, the solar panel stuff is bullshit, and the cost versus what you get out of it by Mike, if you look at different things in our life, where it's like, used to be really expensive, you look at like solid state drives, solid state drives, you know, what the drives that go into your phones that go into your laptops, they used to be super, super, super, super expensive. But as they manufacture more of them, they get more affordable. And so my thought behind it was, it's like, yes, at the beginning, all of these new things are going to cost more, but then the early adopters that can afford it will buy it, and then it will get to a point that it's affordable for everyone, and then it will, you know, be beneficial. Yeah,

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I think you just gotta listen. depends on where it is. If it's someone saying

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that solar energy bad and

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why the fuck is it bad? Yeah.

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Do you get into? Do you feel like you?

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I think you get into you like a good you like questioning that makes it seem like you might have an understanding, but you actually just trying to understand what you're saying?

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Well, I did. The other thing too, is I just feel something inside me when someone says something that might be a little bit racist, or a little bit sort of informed. I do want to sort of something inside me says I can't just like I'm not someone who's like, how do you do it like going to that mode. But it feels like I'm being watched. And I in that moment? I have to do something I have to physically do say something to be able to counter it. Because otherwise, maybe I'm a believer in the thing that they're saying. Yeah.

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But then it can become a bit of

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gear. That it's like, entering into these conversations where it's I actually don't know anything about it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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So you don't you tend not to get into them?

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I mean, I've been best mates with conspiracy. Jimmy conspiracy, Jimmy for 20 years, he

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hasn't always been like that, has he? Well, he's always, he's always had a real curiosity of

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interesting things. And like, and so it is I actually am fascinated by people who have knowledge, like I said, about my dad. But so if someone thinks I know a lot more about solar, why you shouldn't, we shouldn't have anything to do with it. I'd be curious to understand more about it.

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But sometimes, it's also understanding where they're coming from, I guess you need to build the context. Yeah. And be like, okay, is this person in a unique position to be able to provide like, for instance, a friend of mine, he's, he's mom works as a translator, or I am interpreter sorry, at the refugee camps. Wow. And so interestingly, she has perspectives on some of these issues. And what happens that doesn't necessarily get reported in the media. And it's not not always positive. And so that's really interesting, because I'm like, well, this is a person who is actually of the background of the people who are coming into this into Australia. And she's thinking these things. And then so I'm like, oh, like, that's another interesting perspective that she's getting that we just don't have, because we don't have access to these interests. Being open minded.

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Being out for having conversations about I don't think you have to get away from because you have not no idea about it. Yeah. But if you willing to have a argument with no argument, but debate with somebody, I think you actually need some substance to the other side. Well, you can just ask questions, devil's advocate. Yeah. It's,

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um, yeah, well, it's just that whole thing of being okay with in this ambiguity, where it's like, oh, like, I don't know the answer, but like, maybe it's this, could it be this?

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There's a, I think there's a point, there's a lot of people doing that. With it, never having a point. There was just in that auto know what about this. And so that can be frustrating. I can that would be frustrating for the person that thinks I know something, but it might just happen here.

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But if you think about like, I was watching some Jordan Peterson videos, and he was just like, not sounding that clear is sort of like going back and forth on these things. He's like, sort of almost arguing with himself. And I saw some comments where it's like, someone who is so like, that is intellectual thinking of, you know, he's actually not clear. And the people who are more dangerous are the ones who are dogmatic and say, This is how it has to be. Yeah, yeah. So

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you're saying they are rock solid on their point, the

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people who are rock solid on their point of probably a more dangerous than the ones who are like, trying to work it out? Yeah. That is,

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I love that about Jordan piece, and he has his conversations with himself. He gets asked that question, but then he says, you know, but maybe there's this other side of the he's sort of playing out these scenarios.

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Wonder what it'd be like at a dinner party. It's sort of a a bit of a pain in the ass after a while. Right, Kim? I saw this behind the scenes, but it was like, Jordan Peterson talking to Josh Trump.

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Trump Jr. was the one on the right.

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I love the comments in that way.

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People like, you know, someone said, Oh, hey, hey, going, Jordan. It's like, Well, I think the answer to this portion abortion is blah, blah, blah. So yeah, escalating every situation. Ah, we must be in the same algorithm. We're getting the same. Yeah, I know.

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You did use my computer, we logged into the same account. That's

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one thing I've noticed, though, is like I'm not a Jordan Peterson fanboy. Like, I think you are closer to a fanboy. But I watched a couple of his videos, just, you know, the, and the fucking YouTube algorithm loves him, like the types of divisive stuff that he's talking about. It just the algorithms so dangerous, I think because it just starts fading. You just get all of the content. And it seems like everyone's I think part of the issue is maybe if you watch Joe Rogan on YouTube, you second start getting the Jordan Peterson stuff, you get all of the sort of

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similar ideas, essentially, well, you get the guests, it is weird.

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Do you think they even make sense of their algorithm? And what how it actually, like a key Do you think they? I mean, I'm simplifying it to like, oh, let's just press in this. If someone searches Joe Rogan, we give them this? Or it's like,

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I don't think it's I don't necessarily think it's Doc, I think that what they're doing is saying we want to, we think that it's beneficial for people to we can basically give you a bespoke experience. So that idea of like, oh, we'll actually see what articles you're reading, and then more deliver more of the articles that you like. But then it feeds this area, cold Chamber of that you just consuming this one point of view, and you never see the other point of view? Yeah,

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well, when you're at the top,

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they reward you constantly for being the top it's like my, I can browse through any more than to the top podcasts. On my while I'm driving through my car system. Yeah. So I just listened to what's in

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the top 100. And that's and who does the mainstream media? Well, then

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that becomes my Yeah.

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And so it's interesting. I was reading a book at the moment.

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called, I think it's

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if I made myself clear, or Am I clear? I can't remember what you haven't. Exactly. That's by a newspaper editor from the times. And he talks about this great bit where he says, the algorithm does like a bad job of like, filtering. can't remember the exact quote, it was like filtering out the bad words, like he's basically talking about this. The words we use, and how language has power. So this whole book is around. I think it's Have I made myself clear. But it's all about how the language we use affects all these different things and how you can write in different ways to persuade. It's super interesting, but like he, he, it's very interesting when you actually transcribe one of Donald Trump's rallies, and how simple it is and how repetitive it is. Yeah. And then you look at some of the other things that are going on in the world and how I think I can fall into complex writing, whereas I get really fucking into it. But it's actually not easy to read. So I want to get better at that. Yeah. Have you ever you ever read a hard book? Yeah,

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I believe I've like actually got through.

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I've definitely now I've listened to audio books, where I'm like, actually, this can't be listened to

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yet full on, because it's just like, I don't

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I think hero of 1000 faces was one that I tried to listen to the audiobook, but I'm on track with my rating. Good is good. I just need to a 19 2019 Yeah,

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how many books do you see? Just gonna,

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I want to do again. Now I want to I want to do 20 books. 20 books is still that's Yeah. Yeah. The thing is, I reckon I've probably since I've said I want to read 20 books. I probably bought 40 in preparation, just like

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the needs to be cut off limit. Yeah,

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well, brain with brain I've come up with it. 100 hundred dollars a month on book. Yeah. I've gotten rid of my audiobook subscription. Won't you be too far ahead. This is the problem. I'm to start writing and I came by and I'll listen to it. I was listening to a podcast. It's fucking great if I got my phone. I know it had that Louis through the documentary, or as a guest. And it was so good. Hey, there, we're recommending books. Steve Martin's book, Mark Marin's book. And my brothers was writing a book called what made Maddie run, I think, which was this successful running this athlete and she was, you know, sort of the all American Girl. And she ended up killing herself. And they basically ESPN did a whole beast on her and spoke to the family and those basically all the signs through social media through correspondence through social media.

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So I think that would be I've got a book. You should read John's have friends. murder in Mississippi.

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Yes, I've actually I've got the book you go.

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I think you enjoy it. It's one of it was one of my favorite. I had the buying because I was personal training him while he was rotting in. And so I had some sort of inside and it's nice to connect the dots. Somebody was telling me about that story about when you met that person. But it just painted. It's I feel like I've actually seen the documentary or read the book. Because it was like, just thinking about being over in Middle America. Just Mississippi. Staying the little hotel rooms meeting. It was like a Lutheran Yeah, Saru esque mission

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is such a luxury being able to write like, it's so enjoyable. Like I think about what my dream life looks like, is writing. It's literally like just being in a nice climate controlled room beach house. Yeah. What if you know, it's actually probably are kind of more of a winter. Yeah, like it's a fireplace. Yeah. Winter. Middle of Nowhere. Yeah. disconnected. But for Jay, if I need it. Yeah. That type of thing. today. Let's hope you have your Apple watch on because then they'll

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just Yeah, exactly. To get rid of that thing. If you were to have that

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I'm going to put Do Not Disturb. Start using Do Not Disturb. The problem is that Bry was criticizing me because I wasn't taking it cold. So I need to the problem is that I opened up my favorites on my iPhone too wide. So I had too many people. And the problem is that I had it set up that I would only you would basically support you go past the Do Not Disturb if you were in my favorites. It was basically everyone that I would connect with. It defeats the defeat. If I can put this I'm Seth Godin

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only has his family are able to contact him a lot of the time. No one else.

40:37
That's good. So yeah,

40:39
so Josh. Yeah, Mo, Sam. Hi, the daily talk show.com if you want to send us an email any other time, you

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know, I'm gonna go home and chillax.

40:51
Tomorrow. We're back. We're back to work.

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Jen. Second.

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That's Yes. No messing around Wednesday. straight back to it. Looking forward to be Yeah, be right. Send us any emails if you if you want. What books are you reading? That's a good question. Yeah. For Josh. Because he'll buy it. Yeah, I'll buy it. I need to I need to work it because the other thing too is we've got so many books in storage that I'm going to bring out and then I'm going to want to read and finally on the book thing. We went past book grocer, which is such a shit bookshop. No, it's like all the books that didn't sell well. It's the green to green logo. You don't want to go too well. It's they they had a science like all books five bucks. And I found three books that were actually good that out by like, like one of them was hatching Twitter by a guy named Nick Bilton. He's like a tech journalist, and he got access to Twitter and interviewed him and all that sort of thing. So that'll be interesting. I've got a couple of others, but you definitely it's a I actually need to get better with my today. Sit down and lock in those resolutions for the year. Yeah. What did you end up doing it? Because we get

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we do it tonight. I guess I do it tonight.

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is no baby. Tell us your resolutions as well. Uh, yeah. Hi, the daily talk show.com. Otherwise, we'll see you tomorrow. Gotcha.